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Revision as of 17:16, 10 June 2010
List of Attendees
- ATechwolf Foxclaw
- Attica Bekkers
- Enkidu Linden
- Ghengis Linden
- hong Yeu
- lonetorus Habilis
- Morgaine Dinova
- Qiyuan Anton
- Robin Cornelius
- tsurunari Toki
Transcript
[10:55] | Morgaine Dinova: | Wooohooo!!!! |
[10:55] | Enkidu Linden: | hey there |
[10:55] | Morgaine Dinova: | Hiya Enki --- glad you're still with us :P |
[10:55] | Your object | 'Object' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by you from parcel 'Which Land' at Beaumont 148, 45. |
[10:55] | Enkidu Linden: | thanks! |
[10:56] | Enkidu Linden: | i am also glad! |
[10:56] | Enkidu Linden: | well, maybe not glad |
[10:56] | Enkidu Linden: | half-relieved? |
[10:56] | Enkidu Linden: | anyway.. i see i left my shared media attempt sitting here |
[10:57] | Enkidu Linden: | how are you all? |
[10:57] | Morgaine Dinova: | Well, dunno what to think. But as long as there are tech Lindens still doing OHs, then at least there's a focus for AW Groupies :-) |
[10:58] | Morgaine Dinova: | Awww Enki, and I was so enjoying the plywood ... |
[10:58] | Morgaine Dinova: | Hi lone :-) |
[10:58] | Enkidu Linden: | hey there's more where that came from |
[10:58] | lonetorus Habilis: | heyhey |
[10:58] | Morgaine Dinova: | Haha |
[10:59] | lonetorus Habilis: | so sl is to become the new farmville? XD |
[10:59] | Enkidu Linden: | i hope not! |
[11:00] | lonetorus Habilis: | well, thats the public fear currently |
[11:00] | lonetorus Habilis: | we are in a information vacuum |
[11:00] | Morgaine Dinova: | Do you know anything about WebGL, Enki? Seeing as browser-based UI was part of the announcement |
[11:00] | Enkidu Linden: | i know a guy at zynga and i'm pretty sure i'd not like linden lab becoming zynga |
[11:00] | Attica Bekkers: | it better not i do fville with my 14 yo untilhe grows out of it |
[11:01] | Enkidu Linden: | i know a little bit about webgl but i'm not a gl dev so..... |
[11:01] | lonetorus Habilis: | so sl on a web page will be an additional way to access sl, hopefully |
[11:01] | Enkidu Linden: | i've always thought that would be a good thing |
[11:02] | lonetorus Habilis: | most likely with the sl in a browser thing IBM made? |
[11:02] | Attica Bekkers: | willit be like an interface to chat from work with folks inworld |
[11:02] | Morgaine Dinova: | I think the opposite. All the hassle and flakiness and restrictions and bloat of web browsers, with none of the benefits of dedicated apps. |
[11:03] | Enkidu Linden: | i have no idea what it will look like, support, do, require, etc |
[11:03] | lonetorus Habilis: | well, running a dumbed down v2 inside a browser window should not be so bad |
[11:03] | lonetorus Habilis: | for the facebook crwd that is |
[11:04] | lonetorus Habilis: | enkidu, of course not, but we can speculate |
[11:04] | lonetorus Habilis: | :) |
[11:04] | Enkidu Linden: | then let's speculate! |
[11:05] | Enkidu Linden: | as long as you know i'm only speculating as well, it's party time |
[11:05] | Attica Bekkers: | parenting has made me shameless about things like fb:P Only problem is none of my friends will join |
[11:05] | Morgaine Dinova: | lone: agreed, but that's the only place for a browser-based interface I think. It would have to be so dumbed down that you couldn't do much beyond look and chat and listen to music. |
[11:05] | lonetorus Habilis: | morg, and buy stuff for your av ;) |
[11:05] | lonetorus Habilis: | seems fine enough for the facebook crowd |
[11:05] | Morgaine Dinova: | True |
[11:06] | lonetorus Habilis: | some of them will want to do more of course |
[11:06] | lonetorus Habilis: | and they could then switch to stand alone client |
[11:06] | Enkidu Linden: | i'm reminded of google docs |
[11:06] | Enkidu Linden: | vs ms office |
[11:06] | Morgaine Dinova: | Well that's a possibility. But it's not a future that's easy to square with mass firing of techs. |
[11:06] | Robin CorneliusRobin | Cornelius curses the NDA |
[11:07] | Attica Bekkers: | thefb crowd is very intolerant of some things, games lose masses of people if they put a step wrong, watch mafia wars die |
[11:07] | lonetorus Habilis: | morg, well, they have also hired many new ppl |
[11:07] | Morgaine Dinova: | It will take massive development effort to get something like that written. M's not gonna program it himself in Excel. |
[11:07] | lonetorus Habilis: | well, use the ibm code? |
[11:07] | lonetorus Habilis: | or the 3Di cleient |
[11:08] | lonetorus Habilis: | client |
[11:08] | lonetorus Habilis: | http://3di-rei.org/ |
[11:09] | lonetorus Habilis: | but if the goal is to remove the "install some browser plugin" then there will be a need for massive rewrite of a client |
[11:09] | lonetorus Habilis: | something i belive will fail badly |
[11:09] | Morgaine Dinova: | Wanting an FB-like future squarely well with LL abandoning interop, sadly. |
[11:09] | Morgaine Dinova: | squares* |
[11:09] | lonetorus Habilis: | if they want to get anywhere near the functionality of current client |
[11:10] | lonetorus Habilis: | yeah, but the altrustic large vw interop goals have been exchanged for short term money grabs |
[11:11] | Morgaine Dinova: | There's no free lunch in the browser. If they rewrite the client in WebGL, there will STILL be a massive download of client code (Javascript), and it will happen on every single login. |
[11:11] | lonetorus Habilis: | morg, indeed, also means massive amounts of new code i would think |
[11:11] | Enkidu Linden: | i think it would be more interesting if we didn't design a web client, but designed everything such a client might need to operte |
[11:12] | Enkidu Linden: | and i wonder how far away from that we are today |
[11:12] | Robin Cornelius: | not that far at all |
[11:12] | Morgaine Dinova: | If you mean an interop protocol ... about a million miles away, Enki |
[11:12] | Attica Bekkers: | but sl could get zynga like addiction and following really easy |
[11:12] | Attica Bekkers: | byintroducing medals |
[11:13] | Robin Cornelius: | reward points for bug fixing ;-p |
[11:13] | Enkidu Linden: | hey dragon! |
[11:13] | Robin Cornelius: | your next medal is for resolving 250 jira reports |
[11:13] | Attica Bekkers: | ts your 500th teleport hers the medal of x and graphic goes on up your avatars medal site whichis optionally able to be made public |
[11:13] | Attica Bekkers: | the old approval system without the chance for a negative review.. |
[11:14] | Attica Bekkers: | it doesnt need muchtech to get fb-ey |
[11:14] | lonetorus Habilis: | lol |
[11:14] | Enkidu Linden: | would implementing such a rewards system require linden help? |
[11:14] | Attica Bekkers: | robinyes |
[11:14] | Attica Bekkers: | thered defntielyhave tobe ajira ward |
[11:14] | Attica Bekkers: | one for for your first jira |
[11:14] | Attica Bekkers: | one for your fiftieth |
[11:14] | lonetorus Habilis: | dont forget medals per X amount of lindens spent |
[11:14] | lonetorus Habilis: | XD |
[11:15] | Attica Bekkers: | somepoor linden would have to ok those, to save it from spam |
[11:15] | Attica Bekkers: | ohyes |
[11:15] | Attica Bekkers: | those ar ein every fb game |
[11:15] | Attica Bekkers: | plus experience points |
[11:15] | Attica Bekkers: | make your own clothes.. 200 xp |
[11:15] | Morgaine Dinova: | Robin, what did you mean by "not that far at all" ? |
[11:16] | Attica Bekkers: | so long as itwas opt in and hideable people do love brownie points |
[11:16] | Robin Cornelius: | i was not refering to interop, but rather the peices coming together to make a web type client |
[11:16] | Attica Bekkers: | i want an ward for 6000th texture upload |
[11:16] | Enkidu Linden: | what sort of pieces? |
[11:16] | Robin Cornelius: | i could spell it out but i would be sued |
[11:16] | lonetorus Habilis: | or medals for number of sims visited |
[11:17] | Morgaine Dinova: | Robin: yeah, but how are they coming together? There is no Javascript/WebGL client in the works AFAWK, and turning the current renderer into a plugin is apparently off the cards because they publicly said "no download". |
[11:18] | Robin Cornelius: | yep thats correct |
[11:18] | Robin Cornelius: | i have to be as vague as a linden about this, sorry |
[11:19] | Morgaine Dinova: | Well your choice to take NDA. But it sucks, and you know it. |
[11:19] | Enkidu Linden: | aw |
[11:19] | lonetorus Habilis: | well, "no download" could have a different meaning to m than it has to you morg |
[11:19] | Morgaine Dinova: | lone: you mean server-side rendering? |
[11:19] | Robin Cornelius: | Morgain, sorry i've got bills to pay ;-( |
[11:20] | lonetorus Habilis: | perhaps a browser like plugin download does not count as "a real download" :) |
[11:20] | lonetorus Habilis: | enkidu, wanna move this oh over to blues chair, yoz has a oh starting in a few min |
[11:21] | Morgaine Dinova: | lone: installing a Firefox extension is certainly a download. In SL's case, it would be a huge one. |
[11:21] | Attica Bekkers: | no download like runescape? which does dload (but runs at slow modem speed) |
[11:21] | Enkidu Linden: | i love yoz |
[11:22] | Morgaine Dinova: | I don't know Yoz. Does he do tech stuff? |
[11:22] | Enkidu Linden: | yoz also works in my group |
[11:22] | lonetorus Habilis: | morg, yes, but its less technical to complete than a seperate dl and installation, a browser plugin is mostly a "click next" experience |
[11:22] | lonetorus Habilis: | "Yoz Linden: Web engineering: social apps, wiki, JIRA, identity, new tech" |
[11:23] | Morgaine Dinova: | Aha |
[11:23] | tsurunari Toki: | ahaha |
[11:23] | Enkidu Linden: | yoz does a lot of third party integration |
[11:24] | lonetorus Habilis: | third party? |
[11:24] | lonetorus Habilis: | can you give examples? |
[11:24] | Enkidu Linden: | i mean third party applications, like the wiki |
[11:25] | lonetorus Habilis: | ahh |
[11:25] | lonetorus Habilis: | or the blog |
[11:25] | Enkidu Linden: | yeah |
[11:26] | Enkidu Linden: | so, i think i'll stay here and continue, but feel free to join yoz's OH if you like. give him any inappropriate gesture for me! |
[11:27] | lonetorus Habilis: | im going to station a alt over at his oh ;) |
[11:27] | lonetorus Habilis: | perhaps a lsl based chat relay? ;) |
[11:27] | Enkidu Linden: | by the way, sorry about last week. i couldn't seem to log in until about 11:25am and no one was around |
[11:27] | Enkidu Linden: | haha |
[11:28] | Enkidu Linden: | i had a chance to mess with babbage's oauth lsl last week |
[11:28] | Enkidu Linden: | it was pretty neat posting to twitter in world |
[11:28] | Qiyuan Anton: | /kiss |
[11:29] | Robin Cornelius: | its times like these you need an orbiter |
[11:29] | hong Yeu: | Get lost! |
[11:29] | tsurunari Toki: | hola |
[11:30] | Qiyuan Anton: | / |
[11:30] | tsurunari Toki: | JeBonjour |
[11:31] | Attica Bekkers: | hola tsurunari would you like to sit down |
[11:31] | lonetorus Habilis: | enkidu, i actually made a in world thing for this |
[11:31] | lonetorus Habilis: | just rez it on the ground here |
[11:31] | tsurunari Toki: | Sure |
[11:31] | Enkidu Linden: | no kidding? |
[11:32] | Enkidu Linden: | mind if i look under the hood? |
[11:32] | Attica Bekkers: | just click on the empty couch and sit here |
[11:32] | Qiyuan Anton: | c ya guys gtg |
[11:33] | Attica Bekkers: | be well Quiyuan |
[11:33] | Enkidu Linden: | does it also receive status updates, lone? |
[11:33] | Enkidu Linden: | hey ghengis |
[11:33] | Morgaine Dinova: | Hiya Ghengis :-) |
[11:33] | Ghengis Linden: | Hi Morgaine |
[11:34] | Morgaine DinovaMorgaine | Dinova imagines an influx of Facebook-type newbies griefing every tech OH |
[11:34] | Enkidu Linden: | that was exciting |
[11:35] | Attica Bekkers: | dont give awards for social tech? only have special awards granted from above? |
[11:36] | Enkidu Linden: | oh man! i forgot |
[11:36] | Enkidu Linden: | apparently jack's been talking about search in his OH |
[11:36] | Enkidu Linden: | which are, sadly, at the same time as mine |
[11:37] | Enkidu Linden: | i'm not sure where, though |
[11:37] | Attica Bekkers: | but you are a cephalapod |
[11:38] | ATechwolf Foxclaw: | Hi all . Finally got my alt going. |
[11:39] | Enkidu Linden: | Linden Estate Services (213,107,49) |
[11:39] | Enkidu Linden: | jack's OH |
[11:39] | Enkidu Linden: | not that i think anyone should go there instead of here! |
[11:40] | ATechwolf Foxclaw: | Jack getting fried there. |
[11:40] | Enkidu Linden: | poor guy |
[11:41] | Enkidu Linden: | nobody likes fried jellyfish, so i'm safe |
[11:41] | Attica Bekkers: | I was thinking that |
[11:42] | Enkidu Linden: | so, robin, as someone familiar with snowglobe, do you think a web client could be written in webgl by someone other than linden lab/? |
[11:43] | Enkidu Linden: | i'm still curious about the difference between you and morgaine's assessments |
[11:44] | Robin Cornelius: | i was not thinking a webgl solution |
[11:44] | Morgaine Dinova: | Enki: the only way the two PoVs can be reconciled is by the huge amount of work it takes having been started long ago. |
[11:45] | Robin Cornelius: | or you relax the assumptions about the implementation |
[11:46] | Enkidu Linden: | seems reasonable since we're still just speculating |
[11:46] | Morgaine Dinova: | Robin is under NDA, so let's not go there. But if it's not WebGL then it's a browser plugin/extension, so you don't avoid the huge download like the press release said. |
[11:47] | Robin Cornelius: | can i quickly ask an unrelated question, Enkidu, you don't know anything about the mime type handing in the viewer do you? |
[11:48] | Enkidu Linden: | i don't but i can ask around for you. what do you want to know? |
[11:48] | Robin Cornelius: | i'm trying to serve a file with a custom mime type, its on my apache, curl says its good, the viewer says mime_type= |
[11:48] | Robin Cornelius: | i want to use it to trigger a custom plugin |
[11:49] | Robin Cornelius: | i once saw the correct type, but never again |
[11:49] | Enkidu Linden: | how are you issuing the request? llhttprequest? |
[11:50] | Robin Cornelius: | no i'm putting it on prim media |
[11:50] | Robin Cornelius: | ty Attica |
[11:50] | Enkidu Linden: | ok, i know who to ask then! |
[11:51] | Morgaine Dinova: | Haha, Attica, tnx :-) |
[11:52] | Attica Bekkers: | ghengis went to sleep |
[11:53] | Attica Bekkers: | hope twasnt him you had to ask |
[11:53] | Enkidu Linden: | robin, is there a wiki on setting up customer plugins? |
[11:53] | Enkidu Linden: | er, custom |
[11:54] | Ghengis Linden: | haha sorry, catching up on some reading |
[11:54] | Enkidu Linden: | (my grammar is slowly becoming predictive text) |
[11:54] | Attica Bekkers: | wb |
[11:54] | Ghengis Linden: | thx |
[11:55] | Robin Cornelius: | there is info on the protocol, which i've hacked around with loads of times, but something is amiss here for some reason |
[11:55] | Enkidu Linden: | what's the url? |
[11:56] | Attica Bekkers: | lsls is very good thing for people who dont program |
[11:56] | Enkidu Linden: | i've piqued some curiosity |
[11:56] | Robin Cornelius: | the url is http://127.0.0.1/test.rfb, apache is set to serve that with a custom mime type of remove/rfb (which it does) |
[11:57] | Robin Cornelius: | er remote/rfb |
[11:57] | Robin Cornelius: | then i have that mime type in mime_types.xml which lists my plugin as the library to handle that |
[11:58] | Enkidu Linden: | callum is wondering what curl -i shows you |
[11:59] | Enkidu Linden: | and i'm wondering what on earth you're up to |
[12:00] | Enkidu Linden: | but we're out of time and i have a meeting starting |
[12:00] | Robin Cornelius: | it gives me the http headers including "Content-Type: remote/rfb
" |
[12:00] | Robin Cornelius: | and then my content |
[12:00] | Robin Cornelius: | i just want to trigger a custom plugin |
[12:02] | Enkidu Linden: | he's not sure but he'd like to think about it more. i think you just handed him a rubik's cube |
[12:02] | Enkidu Linden: | and i've got to run. thank you all for coming! |
[12:03] | Attica Bekkers: | grins thanks |
[12:03] | Ghengis Linden: | by all |
[12:03] | Attica Bekkers: | bye |
[12:03] | Ghengis Linden: | thanks attica for the snapshot, it's not my new profile pic! |
[12:03] | Enkidu Linden: | it's not? |
[12:03] | Attica Bekkers: | tell them the fb gamer stickines is awards/medals if it come sup |
[12:04] | Attica Bekkers: | not tech |
[12:04] | Enkidu Linden: | nothing says 'i love you' like 'i don't love you', ghengis |
[12:04] | Attica Bekkers: | Iwant an ward for spending 5000000 lindens lol |
[12:04] | Enkidu Linden: | thanks again, all. see you next week |
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