Adult Content User Group/06/13/2011

Attendees List

• Amanda Linden (amanda.linden) (User's Wiki Page)
• Athy (athy)
• Couldbe (couldbe)
• Counter Landfall (counter.landfall)
• Ginette Pinazzo (ginette.pinazzo) (User's Wiki Page)
• Gothica Actor (gothica.actor)
• Huntress Catteneo (huntress.catteneo)
• Hypatia Meili (hypatia.meili)
• Innula Zenovka (innula.zenovka)
• Janicka Engineer (janicka.engineer)
• Liisa Runo (liisa.runo)
• Qie (qie)
• Rayna (rayna)
• Sissy Blitz (sissy.blitz)
• Vick Forcella (vick.forcella) (User's Wiki Page)
• Zacklee Devin (zacklee.devin)
• Zada Bury (zada.bury) (User's Wiki Page)

Transcript for Monday June 13, 2011

[10:56]	Zada Bury	back
[10:56]	Zada Bury	Heya Amanda.
[10:56]	Ginette Pinazzo	Hi Amanda
[10:56]	Amanda Linden	hey all
[10:56]	Amanda Linden	Amanda Linden waves
[10:56]	Zacklee Devin	Hello
[10:56]	Zada Bury	Have work at the weekend?
[10:57]	Counter Landfall	Hi Amanda
[10:57]	Amanda Linden	me?
[10:57]	Ginette Pinazzo	Amanda, see if you can which chair the cahirperson gets! haha
[10:57]	Zada Bury	*nods*
[10:57]	Amanda Linden	ha
[10:57]	Ginette Pinazzo	*can guess
[10:57]	Zada Bury	Or was party-time
[10:57]	Amanda Linden	yep, i worked yesterday for about 5 - 6 hours.
[10:57]	Amanda Linden	but, relaxed otherwise. :)
[10:57]	Counter Landfall	Hi CouldBe
[10:58]	Amanda Linden	welcome everyone!
[10:58]	Counter Landfall	thx
[10:58]	Amanda Linden	the agenda is here...
[10:58]	Amanda Linden	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_User_Group
[10:58]	Zada Bury	*~~silencepurr~~*
[10:58]	Ginette Pinazzo	any new faces?
[10:59]	Amanda Linden	we'll get started in a min or two....
[10:59]	Zada Bury	Some are usually late ^.^
[10:59]	Amanda Linden	np. )
[11:00]	Amanda Linden	we'll wait another min.
[11:00]	Zada Bury	can we fill the agenda by self or can only you do it, btw?
[11:00]	Ginette Pinazzo	ah,,,all old faces? haha
[11:00]	Amanda Linden	Amanda Linden sips tea
[11:00]	Amanda Linden	you can add items, etc.
[11:00]	Amanda Linden	just login and click on the edit tab...
[11:01]	Amanda Linden	you're good dancer. :)
[11:01]	Zada Bury	Gooood. I've thougt for me, you get 1 week cub-protection.
[11:01]	Amanda Linden	ha.
[11:01]	Amanda Linden	ok, think we can get started.
[11:01]	Amanda Linden	but before we dive into the agenda, as the chair, i would like to say a few words....
[11:01]	Amanda Linden	cool?
[11:01]	Ginette Pinazzo	fab
[11:01]	Amanda Linden	ossm.
[11:02]	Zada Bury	Sure, fine.
[11:02]	Zacklee Devin	Yar !
[11:02]	Amanda Linden	ok first of all i really enjoyed our meeting last week and very excited about all of the good things the adult community is cooking up.
[11:02]	Innula Zenovka	HI, Athy
[11:02]	Athy	Hello Innula
[11:02]	Amanda Linden	i think that--by working together--we can do even more and grow this community--financially for everyone and in numbers.
[11:03]	Janicka Engineer	hello Amanda
[11:03]	Janicka Engineer	hello all
[11:03]	Amanda Linden	i'm here to help you guysdo that and i'm now your main LL point of contact.
[11:03]	Zada Bury	Zada Bury gasps. "Janicka ... dressed ... o, wait, not complete."
[11:03]	Amanda Linden	that said, this meeting is for all of us to put aside personal agendas and think about broad needs that the adult community has.
[11:03]	Amanda Linden	i appreciate that you all have different communities, but this is where we come together as one.
[11:04]	Amanda Linden	no drama, no backbiting. but a productive, fun conversation about how we can all work together for the common good.
[11:04]	Amanda Linden	everyone ok with that?
[11:04]	Zacklee Devin	well said
[11:04]	Amanda Linden	issues? questions?
[11:04]	Ginette Pinazzo	wonderful
[11:04]	Counter Landfall	sounds good to mw
[11:04]	Counter Landfall	me*
[11:04]	Zada Bury	Sounds great.
[11:04]	Amanda Linden	great!!!
[11:04]	Hypatia Meili	yes
[11:04]	Amanda Linden	me too!
[11:05]	Amanda Linden	ok, with that, let's dive in.
[11:05]	Amanda Linden	first, welcoming committee. who's new to this meeting?
[11:05]	Amanda Linden	any one wnat to introduce themselves?
[11:05]	Amanda Linden	go for it!
[11:05]	Zacklee Devin	im new here no issues no ? just wide eyed comedian learning about your comunties
[11:05]	Amanda Linden	great zacklee, welcome!
[11:06]	Zacklee Devin	TY
[11:06]	Amanda Linden	any one else?
[11:06]	Athy	I guess I'm old-new. I slip in every few months and listen in.
[11:06]	Janicka Engineer	I have one question amanda
[11:06]	Amanda Linden	sure thing janicak and welcome athy
[11:06]	Amanda Linden	janicka, sorry.
[11:06]	Janicka Engineer	I would like ask you about group of Zindra Vortex
[11:06]	Amanda Linden	Amanda Linden thinks i picked the wrong time to give up coffee.
[11:06]	Ginette Pinazzo	(has more coffee)
[11:06]	Amanda Linden	wel, i'm just getting up to speed myself....
[11:07]	Amanda Linden	someone here from zindra vortex to answer janicka's question?
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili	Blondin is stil owner
[11:07]	Janicka Engineer	yes I am
[11:07]	Janicka Engineer	:)
[11:07]	Amanda Linden	ah
[11:07]	Ginette Pinazzo	we can address that but maybe later in agenda?
[11:07]	Amanda Linden	ok, so he owns the zindra vortex land?
[11:07]	Hypatia Meili	group owner
[11:07]	Amanda Linden	ah, ok. let's talk offline.
[11:07]	Amanda Linden	thanks!
[11:08]	Amanda Linden	ok, next up, zindra expo (zexpo)
[11:08]	Hypatia Meili	that also goes for Zindra expo group
[11:08]	Amanda Linden	any updates from gina?
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo	yes
[11:08]	Amanda Linden	kk, hypatia.
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo	(updates are required on island events)...
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo	https://sites.google.com/site/zexpo2011/home
[11:08]	Ginette Pinazzo	First, quick mention: I am happy so many are getting involved in ZEXPO, and I hope (in the spirit of cooperation) more and more of you do. This will be a delightfully grand experiment and I hope everyone with positive contributions can take part......
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo	5 small items..
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo	1. Pre-Parties...
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo	Heaven Lacey has joined the team as our Pre-Party Committee and will help coordinate those parties. Throughout the 2 weeks leading up to ZEXPO's opening, many exhibitors will host Pre-Parties at their own locations (own sims) to cross-promote. ......
[11:09]	Ginette Pinazzo	This helps the exhibitor's place and helps ZEXPO,, and it is a great way to build extra interest just before the show. Plus, exhibitors who agree to have a Pre-Party earn extra floorspace at the show...........
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo	questions abt pre-parties or Heaven?
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo	ok.....2. Vehicles....
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo	We will have enough vehicle options for attendees that I will make a special section in the guidebook and website for them. So far we have a blimp, boats, horses, unicycles, the Floats themselves which are rideable, and maybe little cars. Some options will be free, others rented, maybe to buy......Lots of ways to 'tour' the island. ......
[11:10]	Ginette Pinazzo	3. The Gag.....
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo	One of the exhibitors, Z&A Productions has created an amusing twist on a ZEXPO sign for us to give away. It's a wearable gag that promotes the show. I'll be passing that out in the group soon......
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo	Thanks to Antony Fairport and Vila Pixelmaid of Z&A Productions for contributing this.......(if anyone wants to model this gag, just ask me).......
[11:11]	Ginette Pinazzo	(looks around for model)
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo	4. Business Networking.......
[11:12]	Zacklee Devin	ew ew ew pick me mr kotter
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo	(passes gag to Zack)
[11:12]	Ginette Pinazzo	One of the best opportunities with a show like this comes from the fact you have many SL businesses gathered in one place. Because of this, I am going to try to make the entire week leading up the show's opening a special Business Networking week, so the showgrounds will have some type of activities that promote inter-business connections. (industry mixers, business card-trading parties, a business networking center?).
[11:13]	Amanda Linden	when is the show ginette?
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo	The idea is that the exhibitors should really meet each other, connect, share, and find ways to work together. This is a fantastic opportunity and can help promote business growth on Zindra and beyond. I am looking for a person (please volunteer!) to help design programs for this.......so please contact me if Business Networking is your expertise or passion...... AUG 26 Amanda
[11:13]	Amanda Linden	kk, ty
[11:13]	Ginette Pinazzo	any questionsm about the Business Netwroking side of things?
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo	ok........
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo	5. Finally, Comedy.......
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo	One of our exhibitors is comedian Zacklee Devin, who I feel will add a lot to the show, plus he runs a group called Laugh Limo, which connects us to many of SL's comedians. Connections like this are invaluable and brings us many new people and ideas........
[11:14]	Ginette Pinazzo	I also like Zacklee because I am personally on a mission to find a man that can make me laugh.......Zacklee is my quick guest of the day..........
[11:15]	Zacklee Devin	aw
[11:15]	Zacklee Devin	and hes better on voice so bear with me
[11:15]	Ginette Pinazzo	(report FIN)
[11:15]	Amanda Linden	:) great update!
[11:15]	Amanda Linden	thanks ginette & welcome again zacklee.
[11:15]	Amanda Linden	woot!
[11:15]	Amanda Linden	checking out the zexpo site--looks ossm.
[11:16]	Amanda Linden	ok, next is the wiki for new residents.
[11:16]	Ginette Pinazzo	feel free to heckle the comedian even before he makes any jokes
[11:16]	Amanda Linden	good news on this one. i just had a meeting on this topic earlier today and it's been escalated. the team is currently scoping the work and i should have an ETA by next week.
[11:16]	Amanda Linden	but the right folks are on it.
[11:16]	Zada Bury	Sounds good.
[11:17]	Amanda Linden	and it's being handled. :)
[11:17]	Amanda Linden	question?
[11:17]	Amanda Linden	s
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili	it real neds 2 basic things
[11:17]	Zacklee Devin	nerds*?
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili	instrctionon how to log in & make it cas insensative
[11:17]	Zacklee Devin	needs?
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili	case
[11:17]	Hypatia Meili	yes
[11:17]	Amanda Linden	yes...
[11:17]	Amanda Linden	well, the bigger issue is that it should just work.
[11:18]	Amanda Linden	with single sign on using open id (similar to the lithium platform)
[11:18]	Amanda Linden	so, we're gonna fix it the right way.
[11:18]	Innula Zenovka	but until the bigger issue is fixed, why not publicise the work-round?
[11:18]	Amanda Linden	looks like it could get fixed soon--but don't want to make promises.
[11:18]	Amanda Linden	:)
[11:18]	Zada Bury	It works, if the people type right. ^.^
[11:18]	Amanda Linden	true true. if i don't have an eta by next week that is reasonable, then we'll do the work around.
[11:19]	Counter Landfall	so it just needs an additional line of explanatory text
[11:19]	Hypatia Meili	Hypatia Meili cant type right :p
[11:19]	Zacklee Devin	wud wrung der tuping lock fin to me
[11:19]	Amanda Linden	understood. but it's not my call....
[11:19]	Amanda Linden	so, one more week and maybe it will even be fixed. :)
[11:19]	Amanda Linden	ok, age verification vid.
[11:19]	Amanda Linden	we took it down.
[11:20]	Counter Landfall	we will hold it to you ;-)
[11:20]	Amanda Linden	you're right. it's wrong and shouldn't have been up there.
[11:20]	Innula Zenovka	thanks..
[11:20]	Amanda Linden	so, we took it down and we need to make sure that the knowledge base articles are correct.
[11:20]	Amanda Linden	so, take a look at both of htem that i linked in the agenda and make sure....
[11:20]	Amanda Linden	you all are the best folks to QA our work. :)
[11:20]	Amanda Linden	if you see inaccuracies, then email me at amanda@lindenlab.com and i'll make sure that the articles are updated/fixed.
[11:21]	Innula Zenovka	will do
[11:21]	Amanda Linden	fab. and thanks for flagging this for us.
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo	thanks
[11:21]	Amanda Linden	sure thing.
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo	we are ever-vigilant..haha
[11:21]	Amanda Linden	ok, next is gina with vortex tweaks, unless there are any questions for me....
[11:21]	Amanda Linden	love it!
[11:21]	Amanda Linden	need extra eagle eyes--for sure.
[11:21]	Couldbe	I have a couple that are AOB
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo	ok...
[11:21]	Ginette Pinazzo	BBQBill is still on vacation. He asked me just to ask you, Amanda, if you received his brief message about the few glitches at the Vortex and if there is any movement on that. Those are a few techy glitches that need to be fixed before we can move on with the rest of the Vortex development (which isn't too much in total). The items such as Janicka mentioned are critical, though we need to fix these glitches asap.
[11:22]	Couldbe	do you want to do them now or after
[11:22]	Amanda Linden	um, lemme see--last week was nuts.
[11:22]	Amanda Linden	i'll look for his email after this meeting and get on it.
[11:22]	Ginette Pinazzo	if you cant find it, I have a CC
[11:22]	Amanda Linden	:) sorry. a few emails seemed to have slipped through the cracks.
[11:22]	Amanda Linden	ok, cool.
[11:23]	Amanda Linden	yep, and fixing the groups issue is easy peasy.
[11:23]	Ginette Pinazzo	bascially, the autoreturn doesnt always work, and abilities of the staff dont always work
[11:23]	Amanda Linden	but i would like to better understand what my responsibilities would be as I can't guarantee that i can be as hands on as blondin was.
[11:23]	Amanda Linden	in fact, i knwo that i can.t
[11:23]	Janicka Engineer	and we have also in last time troubles with griefers
[11:23]	Amanda Linden	as much as the commnunity can manage independently....
[11:24]	Hypatia Meili	ablities wil depend on group and land setings
[11:24]	Amanda Linden	gosh, whatever you can do on your end would be great and then i can just be here for support.
[11:24]	Amanda Linden	ok, let's set up a sep meeting to discuss vortex. need to understand more.
[11:24]	Amanda Linden	zap me some times when you're avail.
[11:24]	Ginette Pinazzo	Amanda, Ill get the CC for you...and then, later......1v1 so you know where the development styands
[11:24]	Zacklee Devin	Amanda....I love your use.....of...well....dots...
[11:24]	Amanda Linden	later in teh week--thurs and fri is pretty open.
[11:24]	Amanda Linden	thank you...zacklee.
[11:24]	Amanda Linden	haha
[11:25]	Amanda Linden	cool?
[11:25]	Ginette Pinazzo	fab
[11:25]	Amanda Linden	fab back at ya!
[11:25]	Zada Bury	It looks familiar like me ... I doings also often. ^.^
[11:25]	Amanda Linden	ok, and the next item is catch up stuff for me.
[11:25]	Amanda Linden	that i need to read. :)
[11:26]	Amanda Linden	ginette is handing out homework assignments. :)
[11:26]	Zada Bury	Was poked by someone ... *whistles*
[11:26]	Amanda Linden	will look at this stuff this week and note in the comments when i have.
[11:26]	Counter Landfall	Amanda, I just wanted to make sure you got the meo from ZA last week?
[11:26]	Ginette Pinazzo	well....spoem of it repetateive....but its good to refersh...plus i strung many thinsg together in one narrative so it shoudl be interesting
[11:26]	Counter Landfall	memo*
[11:26]	Amanda Linden	yes counter, i did.
[11:26]	Counter Landfall	good
[11:26]	Amanda Linden	:)
[11:27]	Amanda Linden	i understand where folks are coming from--got several notes.
[11:27]	Amanda Linden	the thing is--we're all here as one team.
[11:27]	Counter Landfall	it is probably better to first discuss in a ZA meeting woith the group
[11:27]	Amanda Linden	kk
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo	ok..here is yoru Catch Up, Amandfa.....get ready to copy
[11:27]	Amanda Linden	not gonna get into it.
[11:27]	Amanda Linden	kk, ginette go for it
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo	this covers, bascially....Zindra Sim / Promenade / Photo Event
[11:27]	Ginette Pinazzo	A story in 8 segments:......
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo	1. First, realize there is a region on the mainland of Zindra CALLED Zindra. This 'Zindra sim' has been a real marketing nightmare and its been a hot topic here. People search Zindra on the map and think that sim is all of it. I've spoken to many (not newbies either) who think Zindra is a tiny no-traffic sim and dont know anymore than that.
[11:28]	Ginette Pinazzo	2. Directly after ZEXPO 2010 ended (last April) the producer of that show went on to propose she move her ZEXPO content (a stage and other elements) onto the Zindra sim to create a large continuing marketing effort that would inhabit that sim. ......
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo	The plan was refused by almost all of this community for a few reasons: ....
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo	a) it was an obvious move to continue the same abuse of LL land that person had done at ZEXPO 2010, and would not be a neutral, fair space as a result. .......
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo	b) the plan may have looked pretty, (there were some nice designs) but it was all surface: it didnt indicate how the program would be managed, how it was sustainable, or even do-able........
[11:29]	Counter Landfall	Ginette, please
[11:29]	Counter Landfall	do not rewrite histiry
[11:29]	Ginette Pinazzo	c) because of the Zindra name issue, I argued (and many agreed, including Blondin) that NO marketing materials should exist there yet, and that the space should remain a civic, informational-only space as long as the name problem existed and as long as we still lacked a system to actually run such a program........
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo	countre, let me finish...there are records for all of this....
[11:30]	Counter Landfall	indeed
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo	3. With this decision, Blondin then did 2 things:
[11:30]	Counter Landfall	and they are not like your story :-)
[11:30]	Ginette Pinazzo	a) He asked me to develop a version of the already in-use ZEXPO Island Seasonal Events Campaign (that he himself helped write, by the way) that would work for smaller, more frequent events at the Zindra Sim. (if we ever did have events there)
[11:31]	Ginette Pinazzo	This was going to be much more complicated than a 4-large-events-in-one-year plan, and I knew that, so there was no rush to develop it. I spent a LONG time writing a proposal that would be fair, neutral and most of all, do-able! (because getting 4 large events approved by LL a year is actually much simpler than getting a continuous stream of smaller events approved.....a lot more to it) I consulted with many to get a good proposal.'
[11:31]	Ginette Pinazzo	the 2nd thing Blondin did...
[11:31]	Ginette Pinazzo	b) Blondin also worked with us to develop some basic informational content to put at the Zindra Sim. A touchable map (thanks to Qie) and notecard givers at a forced landing point. Yes, its not fancy but it does help with those people who TP in not realizing they are on an entire continent called Zindra.
[11:32]	Couldbe	quick, call the fire dept!! we have a burning martyr!!
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo	4.As I worked on the proposal for the smaller/medium events, it occurred to me there is something basic that MUST be done FIRST before I even think to propose it. Whether or not Zindra Sim ever gets marketing material, this issue must come first:
[11:32]	Zacklee Devin	smoking hot avatars also tho
[11:32]	Ginette Pinazzo	what does that mena coulbe?
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo	https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-sim-name-change
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo	In short, the sim needs a name change. We discussed various options (Zindra Gateway, etc), keeping 'Zindra' in there for search reasons, but making it more specific so people don't get confused with the actual mainland's name. You must realize, putting any marketing materials there or events would be a real abuse of LL land because people go there as a point of first contact when they search Zindra mainland. They shoudnt be seeing any form of advertising. (believe me, I love commercial Marketing, but I know where it belongs and doesnt belong)
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo	Blondin approved the name-change concept, but no name was chosen yet.
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo	......
[11:33]	Ginette Pinazzo	5. We proposed something called the Four Corners of Zindra, which is a big-picture plan containing most of the many things discussed over the past year in one organized package, Blondin approves this plan 100% (I know because we asked him many times over).
[11:33]	Sissy Blitz	I tried to get involved in Community Events but you removed all my things Ginette and then bullied me I feel I can not participate in any events you hold because of Conflict of interest
[11:33]	Sissy Blitz	Good day all
[11:34]	Counter Landfall	that was your plan mostly
[11:34]	Amanda Linden	sissy, no backbiting or drama.
[11:34]	Counter Landfall	and the community did not want the name changhe
[11:34]	Ginette Pinazzo	Amanda..I will stop right now. Im not goingt o tolerate lies against myu character in public anymore
[11:34]	Amanda Linden	that goes for everyone.
[11:34]	Counter Landfall	we did the name change of that sim a year before
[11:34]	Counter Landfall	before anone had seen traces of you
[11:34]	Amanda Linden	ok, counter, want to share more? your turn
[11:34]	Counter Landfall	besides the materail there is pathetic
[11:34]	Vick Forcella	Greetings, all still alive?
[11:35]	Zada Bury	We have talk about the Name change, but it was "on hold" still, if I remember right.
[11:35]	Ginette Pinazzo	thats it. I have seen chacaretr defamation against me from counter already this week. i dotn need to heart it here
[11:35]	Counter Landfall	a a handout to age verify
[11:35]	Counter Landfall	well do, to get there you ahve to be age verified
[11:35]	Couldbe	we did the name change originally because the original zindra sim was out in the ocean
[11:35]	Counter Landfall	and the link to zexpo
[11:35]	Couldbe	why is this coming up again??
[11:36]	Amanda Linden	ok, lemme see if i understand....
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo	if you think is acceptable to insult in public...at meetings...then I have no place at table with your likes...
[11:36]	Counter Landfall	mostly becase some individuals feel they need to run Zindra
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo	counter, couldbe..you want to derail this?
[11:36]	Amanda Linden	ok, there is an area called zindra in zindra continent. no marketing.
[11:36]	Counter Landfall	no, we dont want the name change
[11:36]	Amanda Linden	just a first landing spot.
[11:36]	Vick Forcella	Ginette, Counter.. Time out
[11:36]	Amanda Linden	guys, stop.
[11:36]	Counter Landfall	we discussed this in 2009
[11:36]	Ginette Pinazzo	I am trying to catch Amanda on big stuff....this is intense...stop adding confusion..wait until AFTER
[11:37]	Amanda Linden	let me see if i understad.
[11:37]	Amanda Linden	everyone, take a deep breath.
[11:37]	Amanda Linden	i guess my question is this.
[11:37]	Counter Landfall	and ww said last time this was discussed that ZA as a group dont want it to change
[11:37]	Amanda Linden	what do you need from me on this topic?
[11:37]	Amanda Linden	it sounds like it's background, but there isn't an ask...
[11:37]	Couldbe	yes. and the reason we have a region called zindra is that when people search using the map there's not way to find continents so we have a region to get people to us
[11:37]	Couldbe	simple
[11:37]	Ginette Pinazzo	Amnada...allwe need is for you to digets the story.,..then onjce youve got it, peoepl can say whatever...
[11:37]	Counter Landfall	exactly Couldbe
[11:38]	Couldbe	we had people landind in the ocean when it was originally set up. now at least they land on land
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo	they are wroing Amada....
[11:38]	Counter Landfall	Qie here delivered a proposal for the sim a few meetings ago
[11:38]	Hypatia Meili	How about a simple sign at LP text over a map, at leas till other isues are resolved
[11:38]	Couldbe	now can we *PLEASE* put this one to bed again
[11:38]	Zada Bury	We have on "Zindra" (continent) the "Zindra" (Sim). Our idea is: Peaople hear about "Zindra, adult land", want TP there and landing "somewhere". We wanted it to use as kind of advertise.
[11:38]	Counter Landfall	which is ammuch better startign point for a discussion about the Zindra sim
[11:38]	Ginette Pinazzo	it WAS put to bed, and Blondin agreed with what i am saying....stop revising
[11:38]	Qie	just to explain a bit more about the Zindra sim. Molly's build there is mostly complete, but it was designed for a Luna Oaks-like lotteried vendor space. So... eventually, *something* needs to change, unless we revert to that lottery plan again.
[11:38]	Janicka Engineer	couner I watch Zindra ocean every day on map and I dont see too much avatars here
[11:39]	Counter Landfall	Blodin is unfortunately not here more Ginette
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo	Amanda.....undertsand these peoepl woitn let my presentation finish, and have derailed this topic
[11:39]	Amanda Linden	ok, gues what.
[11:39]	Ginette Pinazzo	yes Counter...anmd you are exploting the situation of his departure
[11:39]	Amanda Linden	you guys need to stop.
[11:39]	Amanda Linden	this is not productive.
[11:39]	Huntress Catteneo	I think all shoulfd be quiet except Amanda right at this moment
[11:39]	Amanda Linden	thanks huntress
[11:39]	Counter Landfall	what is not productive Amandfa is that Ginette will not let anyone but herself have any say in Zindra
[11:39]	Janicka Engineer	I really dont understand what counter is taget
[11:40]	Amanda Linden	i'm here to understand your needs now--backstory is nice, but not something that is necessarily good for a group meeting.
[11:40]	Janicka Engineer	target
[11:40]	Zada Bury	http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-fighting-cats-constructive-feedback.jpg
[11:40]	Amanda Linden	i'm happy to read backgounds--outside of htis meeting (which was my plan)
[11:40]	Amanda Linden	unless there is a change/ask that the gropu needs to discuss....
[11:40]	Amanda Linden	then i iwll move on.
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo	I can jump to the acton itesm...there are bascially 3
[11:40]	Ginette Pinazzo	but they wont make much sense without the background
[11:41]	Amanda Linden	ok....
[11:41]	Amanda Linden	what are the action items? or items to discuss as a group?
[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo	....We have a Promenade to talk about, thats an integral (but certainly complex) part of the Four Corners. I am hoping we can do a 1v1 and really play catch up on that.
[11:41]	Vick Forcella	Vick Forcella leaves
[11:41]	Ginette Pinazzo	(the Four Corners of Zindra is an overall initiatve agreed upon months ago)
[11:41]	Amanda Linden	ok, ginette...
[11:42]	Amanda Linden	and this goes for everyone... because this is impt.
[11:42]	Vick Forcella	Bye all. seen enough :)
[11:42]	Counter Landfall	Cheers Vick
[11:42]	Amanda Linden	i am here to help you guys solve issues and grow your communities.
[11:42]	Janicka Engineer	bye vick
[11:42]	Amanda Linden	i cannot be hands on like blondin was.
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo	.....We have a Photo Event to talk about (a good next step would literally be setting up a 1v1 with Sabra and Amanda so the new series can be previewed. I think that would be inspirational))
[11:42]	Ginette Pinazzo	(Sabra Hemingway...our featured Zindra photographer this season)
[11:42]	Amanda Linden	you guys need to run your own communities and this is an opportunity to meet up to discuss larger issues that effect everyone and how LL can help/support your work.
[11:43]	Counter Landfall	Agreed Amanda
[11:43]	Ginette Pinazzo	I know you cannto be hands-on Amanda. I apprecaiet that. But its important you know what the picture is before doing any one task, no?
[11:43]	Amanda Linden	unfortunately, i just cannot get into the details of your sims....
[11:43]	Amanda Linden	ok...
[11:43]	Counter Landfall	but with the setup of the Zexpo group Ginette thinks she represents the community
[11:43]	Amanda Linden	so what can the Lab help you with?
[11:43]	Counter Landfall	while it is in fact a Linden group
[11:44]	Amanda Linden	i think that's something that is worth discussing....
[11:44]	Janicka Engineer	I thing that first importnant thing is finish of Zindra mentors team
[11:44]	Amanda Linden	I cannot run the Zexpo.
[11:44]	Amanda Linden	i'll make a mess of it.
[11:44]	Amanda Linden	:)
[11:44]	Counter Landfall	and do you by policy run community groups?
[11:44]	Amanda Linden	it's much better in your collective hands.
[11:44]	Ginette Pinazzo	stop it counter...there are not only rtwo tyoes of groups in the world
[11:45]	Amanda Linden	we do not run community groups...but support importnat groups in the community.
[11:45]	Counter Landfall	I am asking Amanda of their policy for community groups
[11:45]	Hypatia Meili	the problem cam down to nobody could even agree on who would over see the process on pickin who chairs any such meetings
[11:45]	Amanda Linden	we do run small user groups to help us get feedback on the product.
[11:45]	Counter Landfall	thanks Amanda
[11:45]	Ginette Pinazzo	and zexpo group is waht it is......an efefctive group that connects with LL
[11:45]	Amanda Linden	but when it comes to the community groups--they are run by the community and we'r ehere to help.
[11:45]	Zada Bury	That was in the past, mostly. The "ZEXPO-Group" was the group to "rule" the event-island (the 4 sims).
[11:45]	Counter Landfall	then the zexpo group needs to be run as an event grooup only
[11:46]	Amanda Linden	yes.
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo	no counter...that is YOUR asserion
[11:46]	Amanda Linden	LL cannot run the group.
[11:46]	Amanda Linden	it's true ginette.
[11:46]	Amanda Linden	i cannot run groups and it's much better in your hands (as a group)
[11:46]	Ginette Pinazzo	well its an LL owned group, at the very least
[11:46]	Amanda Linden	that's easy enough to change.
[11:46]	Amanda Linden	and it will need to
[11:46]	Counter Landfall	what is this hangup on LL groups Ginette?
[11:46]	Rayna	rotate -- like the UN
[11:46]	Hypatia Meili	wait! does tha mean we can not share news though it on Zindra issues. the groupcontains many zindrans
[11:47]	Ginette Pinazzo	no hangup counter..youve bene hungup trying to stop everything we do
[11:47]	Amanda Linden	of course you can.
[11:47]	Amanda Linden	but LL will not be the group leader.
[11:47]	Counter Landfall	I am glad to hear that Amanda
[11:47]	Counter Landfall	then we can get back to building community
[11:47]	Hypatia Meili	well thats counter issue he want , he want allchat notices etc tobe only abot zexpo period
[11:47]	Amanda Linden	ok, am i making sense.
[11:47]	Hypatia Meili	asa rule
[11:47]	Amanda Linden	yes, it's your community, not LL's
[11:47]	Qie	well...
[11:47]	Counter Landfall	great
[11:48]	Ginette Pinazzo	you might be making sense! I hope so
[11:48]	Amanda Linden	in fact, that may be a reason why you might have been feeling stifled.
[11:48]	Amanda Linden	you own it.
[11:48]	Amanda Linden	not us
[11:48]	Amanda Linden	take it and fly!
[11:48]	Amanda Linden	:)
[11:48]	Counter Landfall	It is Amanda
[11:48]	Qie	the problem may be that the ZEXPO and other sims belong to LL... so... some concern about LL retaining oversight of events / content on those sims.
[11:48]	Counter Landfall	it has been impossible to compete with free sims and whatnot
[11:48]	Amanda Linden	well, the sims being LL means that we pay for them.
[11:48]	Amanda Linden	that's all.
[11:48]	Janicka Engineer	Amanda I have one idea
[11:48]	Amanda Linden	sure
[11:49]	Amanda Linden	and all continents are LL (fyi)
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo	you asked to mhave events on those samer 'free sim's counter.....dotn even try it
[11:49]	Janicka Engineer	I wozld like change owner of Zindra Expo on new owner
[11:49]	Janicka Engineer	on Ginette
[11:49]	Janicka Engineer	it is possible?
[11:49]	Amanda Linden	i suppose that it's up for a vote.
[11:49]	Amanda Linden	it's up to you all, not me.
[11:49]	Zacklee Devin	make the new owner draw a sword from a stone or something....
[11:49]	Ginette Pinazzo	how would that affect the fact the sims (vortex., islamnd etc) are LL-owned lands? implications?
[11:49]	Janicka Engineer	that can neutralizied this stupid war
[11:49]	Counter Landfall	if anythign make multple owners
[11:50]	Amanda Linden	i can look into those details ginette.
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili	you need to udersatnd all permision issues
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili	amanda
[11:50]	Amanda Linden	that stuff is easy to work out....
[11:50]	Ginette Pinazzo	and in the midts of projects (liek ZEXPO etc) is it safe to even mnake such a change?
[11:50]	Counter Landfall	that is rather useful in group setups
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili	or it wil ciple land use
[11:50]	Hypatia Meili	cripple
[11:50]	Amanda Linden	well, i'm sure you guys will teach me what i don't know. :)
[11:50]	Amanda Linden	i gatehr this group isn't shy. :)
[11:50]	Amanda Linden	(why i like you guys!)
[11:50]	Counter Landfall	it will not make any change to the land use as long as it is set to the group
[11:51]	Counter Landfall	LL can reclaim the land at any tike if the need to
[11:51]	Huntress Catteneo	owner of actual chat/announcement group needs to be nuetral, hard call here atm
[11:51]	Amanda Linden	the other thing is that Ll can own the land and then there can be estate managers who have permissions, etc.
[11:51]	Amanda Linden	right?
[11:51]	Counter Landfall	yes
[11:51]	Amanda Linden	exactly.
[11:51]	Zada Bury	On mainland?
[11:51]	Qie	ummm... but the Mainland is all one estate, afaik
[11:51]	Counter Landfall	of course
[11:51]	Amanda Linden	ok, is there a neutral person that you all trust has the best interest of all groups?
[11:52]	Zada Bury	Agree to Qie.
[11:52]	Couldbe	If it's a LL group then only LL should be sending announcements - the expo group has been prone to spam announcements in the past and it's best to block access to all
[11:52]	Counter Landfall	it is jsut a configuration issue in the sim
[11:52]	Amanda Linden	someone natural? if not, i can set up a poll
[11:52]	Amanda Linden	or a survey.
[11:52]	Couldbe	ah yes, because they're never gamed
[11:52]	Ginette Pinazzo	Amanda...you might want t6o meditate on it..because the orif=ginal intent was to have a LL-owend groupo because of 'netrality'...so indiviuudual resident-run groups didhnt abuse LL resources.....just a point to remember back in the mind
[11:52]	Amanda Linden	coudlbe--i cannot own the group.
[11:52]	Hypatia Meili	that was the intiual problem Blondin never set up poll
[11:52]	Amanda Linden	well, that means that you guys have to choose someone that you trust.
[11:53]	Counter Landfall	as I said, have 3 owners perhaps
[11:53]	Zada Bury	Maybe thing a week about, also about the technical backgrounds.
[11:53]	Hypatia Meili	so no one could decide who would deceide
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo	teh group will need , out of neccsity to have central, communication...that includes nOtuices
[11:53]	Counter Landfall	with fiar representation in the community
[11:53]	Huntress Catteneo	I doubt there will be someone all trust sadly
[11:53]	Couldbe	why not? It's your group, your land and for notices the number that should be sent should mean you shouldn't have to spend more than 10 minutes a week on a busy week
[11:53]	Counter Landfall	fair*
[11:53]	Amanda Linden	what do you say?
[11:53]	Amanda Linden	who will be fair to everyone?
[11:53]	Huntress Catteneo	this rift from what I know it a long run one
[11:53]	Amanda Linden	someone who knows the personalities and will passionately represent all.
[11:53]	Ginette Pinazzo	this rift is not an even splitt eitehr
[11:54]	Amanda Linden	well, ginette/counter...
[11:54]	Amanda Linden	i may get you both together sep. and work this thing out.
[11:54]	Zacklee Devin	puts in his nun outfitt and tryies to look Fair ( aw they'll never fall for it)
[11:54]	Ginette Pinazzo	as it satnbds now, ZE is a very highlya ctive and dynamic group
[11:54]	Amanda Linden	it's holding both of your groups back.
[11:54]	Zada Bury	I think the most here are associated with someone other ... so ... we got fractions.
[11:54]	Amanda Linden	seriously.
[11:54]	Counter Landfall	I agree Amanda
[11:54]	Amanda Linden	you guys spend more time hating on each other than discussing real issues.
[11:54]	Counter Landfall	I am game to have a discussion how to sort this out
[11:54]	Amanda Linden	sorry to call you on teh mat.
[11:54]	Couldbe	I'm a faction of 1 because I pretty well detest you all but I wouldn't want to do it
[11:54]	Amanda Linden	but, that's hwat i'm here for
[11:55]	Counter Landfall	but a group like that should have 3 owners
[11:55]	Ginette Pinazzo	I actually disagree Amanda...we get a lot done typically....texcpet at these meetings..haha
[11:55]	Amanda Linden	ha couldbe. :)
[11:55]	Counter Landfall	so it cannot be easily hijacked
[11:55]	Amanda Linden	well, then you're losing out on teh opportunity to have LL help.
[11:55]	Amanda Linden	if these meetings aren't productive, then we can stop having them.
[11:55]	Amanda Linden	i'm serious
[11:55]	Amanda Linden	either we work together or we end htem.
[11:55]	Zada Bury	Mmmm ... well .. a "team" as group-owner would be better, also for the case of a needed backup.
[11:56]	Amanda Linden	i agree zada.
[11:56]	Couldbe	amanda - time is running short and i have a couple of quick questions that I'd like to ask
[11:56]	Amanda Linden	ok, couldbe.
[11:56]	Janicka Engineer	I tghout that we are adult people on adult land :-/
[11:57]	Amanda Linden	actually, couldbe--can you email me sep or save it for the next meeting?>
[11:57]	Couldbe	the first one - do you know if they've been tinkering with gsa6 search again - particularly for adult?
[11:57]	Amanda Linden	i really want to get agreement that we're all on the same team and will work together.
[11:57]	Amanda Linden	or,would people rather not have these meetings.
[11:57]	Janicka Engineer	I will hope
[11:57]	Ginette Pinazzo	I have been trying tpo gather cooperation with ZA from day one......they have alwssy resisted...will they change tuen now?
[11:58]	Amanda Linden	ok, here's this...
[11:58]	Couldbe	if you'd stop playing games and trying to manipulate situations to your advantage you might find people are more receptive ginette.
[11:58]	Counter Landfall	we need the meetings Aamnda, but as to my memo, I believe there are issues between LL and this community tat has been stuck under the carpet for too long
[11:58]	Huntress Catteneo	the perception of a lot getting done is slightly flawed, many do not take part due to the clashes, so it is not a good cross section opf people
[11:58]	Amanda Linden	if you want to work int he spirit of partnership and community then say yes. if not say no. i want everyone to respond. slap me some yes or no's.
[11:58]	Counter Landfall	and that we need to discuss, rahter than hear the details of zexpo every meeting
[11:58]	Amanda Linden	yes
[11:58]	Amanda Linden	come on.
[11:58]	Huntress Catteneo	yes
[11:58]	Janicka Engineer	ok I propose one thhing
[11:58]	Amanda Linden	yes or no. it's a leap of faith. what you believe...
[11:59]	Janicka Engineer	create new group
[11:59]	Janicka Engineer	for all
[11:59]	Liisa Runo	yes
[11:59]	Gothica Actor	*not with in the group, so I will pass*
[11:59]	Zada Bury	"ACUG"
[11:59]	Ginette Pinazzo	yes for what, Amanda? to cooperate? of course yes
[11:59]	Janicka Engineer	with some neutral owner
[11:59]	Couldbe	a new events group sounds good to me
[11:59]	Zacklee Devin	was just here for comic relif
[11:59]	Amanda Linden	i lke that idea too.
[11:59]	Counter Landfall	KJanicka anyone can create a group
[11:59]	Amanda Linden	a new group--a new start.
[11:59]	Zacklee Devin	did i miss my cue?
[11:59]	Qie	Amanda, to the new group: yes.
[11:59]	Hypatia Meili	yes
[11:59]	Counter Landfall	Amanda just said she will not run a community group, yes?
[11:59]	Zacklee Devin	I am trying to rent out an extra room so i put an add in the paper and this girl came to look she like it and asked what I WAS asking for the room, so i told her one sixty nine a week. I think she miss understood me or something she tried to give me money...( pause for laughter)
[12:00]	Amanda Linden	zacklee..thanks for comic relief.
[12:00]	Hypatia Meili	why just co-opt blodins , chang whats needed
[12:00]	Amanda Linden	ok, here's an option....
[12:00]	Zada Bury	We have the zindra allaicne ... but that isn't a group for everyone. the Zexpo-group is a event grou p--- we need a real central zindra-group ... and for adult content
[12:00]	Hypatia Meili	linden powers
[12:00]	Amanda Linden	what if we created the adult community board
[12:00]	Amanda Linden	with leaders from all the different groups.
[12:00]	Amanda Linden	a neutral space.
[12:01]	Counter Landfall	Blondin had the same idea
[12:01]	Amanda Linden	like the UN.
[12:01]	Counter Landfall	:-))
[12:01]	Amanda Linden	:)
[12:01]	Ginette Pinazzo	thats what these meeting were supposed to be originally....
[12:01]	Counter Landfall	hehe like they agree
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili	tht zepo grouphas a membership - just revamp it
[12:01]	Gothica Actor	*sounds interesting*
[12:01]	Hypatia Meili	zexpo
[12:01]	Janicka Engineer	I have idea for new name "Adult Zindra People"
[12:01]	Amanda Linden	ok, let's pick this up where we left off for next week.
[12:01]	Janicka Engineer	for this group
[12:01]	Amanda Linden	think this has some legs.
[12:01]	Amanda Linden	:)
[12:01]	Amanda Linden	as they say
[12:02]	Amanda Linden	you guys good with that?
[12:02]	Counter Landfall	yep
[12:02]	Zada Bury	Yes, much,
[12:02]	Amanda Linden	ok, cool. will add this one to agenda.
[12:02]	Counter Landfall	thx
[12:02]	Zada Bury	Saves me the line ^.^
[12:02]	Amanda Linden	glad that most everyone is on board!
[12:02]	Amanda Linden	thanks all. glad we got some tough stuff out on teh table.
[12:02]	Amanda Linden	healthy discussion
[12:02]	Ginette Pinazzo	I woudl liek to know the implicatiosn of switching or adding groups.....as it may affetc many hundreds of peoepl
[12:03]	Amanda Linden	let's discuss next week.
[12:03]	Innula Zenovka	is this primarily a group for Adult Content or for Zindra, this new group?
[12:03]	Amanda Linden	i'm thinking more about a smaller private group....not a public one.
[12:03]	Amanda Linden	let's discuss next week since we're out of time....
[12:03]	Zada Bury	*whispers* appointements ... you see she is boss, becasue she not need to hurry on the leave
[12:03]	Qie	thanks Amanda.
[12:03]	Couldbe	Couldbe sighs heavily
[12:03]	Innula Zenovka	thanks
[12:03]	Amanda Linden	thanks all.
[12:03]	Janicka Engineer	thanks amanda
[12:03]	Zada Bury	Thank you Amanda. Then until the next week.
[12:03]	Counter Landfall	Zindra is big enough as a community on its own, but there is a wider set of adult content issues
[12:04]	Ginette Pinazzo	goodbye Amanda
[12:04]	Counter Landfall	cheers Aamanda
[12:04]	Hypatia Meili	bye amanda
[12:04]	Counter Landfall	so adult is not equal with Zindra only

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