This meeting was held on May 6th, 2010

Agenda

Discuss resolution of previous open items.
Updates
- ADITI is having slave issues right now. specify the region morris on login to get to the Office Hours.
- 1.38.4 is out
  - any major issues?
- 1.40 info
  - Introducing Monty Linden!
- Getting private regions into ADITI for 1.40 testing (please use SVC-5755)
- back up your stuff. aditi isn't for long term inv storage.
  - full inv copy coming soon.

Resolved Items

Meeting Minutes

Transcript

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for May 6th, 2010:

[15:00] Rex Cronon: hi
[15:00] Gooden Uggla: hiya rex
[15:00] Rex Cronon: hi gooden
[15:00] Gooden Uggla: hello beta folks
[15:00] Rex Cronon: this is weird. we r surrounded by water
[15:00] Oskar Linden: good afternoon everybody :-)
[15:00] Gooden Uggla: yup, it appears that ahern... isn't
[15:00] xstorm Radek: ok go slow Maestro and no more coffee for you young man
[15:01] Oskar Linden: ok, who broke aditi?
[15:01] Rex Cronon: hi oskar
[15:01] Ovaltine Constantine: Idk. Who broke agni?
[15:01] SHAMUS Carter: hi oskar
[15:01] xstorm Radek: my test Rezzer did not do it
[15:01] Lares Carter: heya Oskar =)
[15:01] Ovaltine Constantine: testerd5 Tester
[15:01] Charlene Trudeau: hiya, Lares :)
[15:01] xstorm Radek: the physics was going backwords when i got there
[15:02] Gooden Uggla: hiya maestro
[15:02] Lares Carter: heya Char
[15:02] Oskar Linden: we hope to have aditi all cleaned up soon
[15:02] Rocky Pickles: that truck was upside down when I got here ...
[15:02] Oskar Linden: everything will be fine now that monty is here
[15:02] xstorm Radek: see
[15:02] Rex Cronon: maybe your throne uses too many sim resources:)
[15:02] Oskar Linden: here is my agenda
[15:02] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours#Agenda
[15:03] Oskar Linden: first up: ADITI
[15:03] xstorm Radek: oh Oskar i found out some how there is people on agni editting group rights and permistions
[15:03] Monty Linden: when in doubt: reboot
[15:03] Oskar Linden: and you filed it in jira xstorm?
[15:03] xstorm Radek: no clue how yet
[15:03] Oskar Linden: ah
[15:03] Oskar Linden: k
[15:03] Oskar Linden: keep an eye on that for me
[15:04] xstorm Radek: i need to find out how
[15:04] xstorm Radek: ok
[15:04] Haka: Type: 'haka' to booing action
[15:04] Haka: Type: 'haka stop' to stop action
[15:04] Oskar Linden: maestro found some aditi naughtiness yesterday
[15:04] Gooden Uggla: hooks a handle on maestro and rents him out on Zindra as a "thrill ride"
[15:04] Rocky Pickles: xstorm.. i'll walk you thru it after the meeting :)
[15:04] Oskar Linden: what did you find maestro?
[15:04] Maestro Linden: one of the databases is misconfigured
[15:04] xstorm Radek: Rocky you found out how they are doing it ?
[15:05] Maestro Linden: so lots of stuff on aditi is broken (region neighbor presence for one, as you can see from all the water around us..)
[15:05] Monty Linden: *sigh*
[15:05] SHAMUS Carter: ahhh
[15:05] Gooden Uggla: ah, so ahern is there if we TP to it?
[15:05] Maestro Linden: hopefully sombody will fix that soon.. but it's definitely not caused by 1.38.4 :)
[15:05] xstorm Radek: they gave hit 2 islands and getting past bans and every thing
[15:05] Maestro Linden: yep, TP works
[15:05] Oskar Linden: Oh Ms Brody is here
[15:05] Oskar Linden: hello darling
[15:06] ATechwolf Foxclaw: Isn't it time for a complet wipe and snapshop from maingrid? My groups are still lagging behind over a year.
[15:06] Oskar Linden: it's getting close atechwolf
[15:06] Darling Brody: died
[15:06] Darling Brody: i made it...
[15:06] SHAMUS Carter: the groups are atleas as old as july 2009
[15:06] Gooden Uggla: but but but... it's FUN being in a groups that were deleted!
[15:06] Oskar Linden: alright, who has the passed out on the floor anim?
[15:06] xstorm Radek: i do know there is a odd pulsing lag on agni
[15:06] SHAMUS Carter: hehe
[15:07] Charlene Trudeau: its not just me, xstorm?
[15:07] Darling Brody: gave you $sleep.
[15:07] Monty Linden: 'odd pulsing lag' is one of the new features
[15:07] xstorm Radek: oh lol
[15:07] SHAMUS Carter: lol
[15:07] Oskar Linden: i'm still a cloud
[15:07] xstorm Radek: oh thanks lol
[15:07] Oskar Linden: I won't know if the anim is correct
[15:07] Monty Linden: it's hard getting it just right....
[15:07] Darling Brody: i see you oskar
[15:07] SHAMUS Carter: lag is a feature now?
[15:08] Charlene Trudeau: lag has *always* been a feature :)
[15:08] WolfPup Lowenhar: lol gooden
[15:08] xstorm Radek: i was thinking it was cache problem
[15:08] ANSI Soderstrom: the cloud avatar is still a freebie ?
[15:08] Darling Brody: change groups. that normaly makes you appear
[15:08] xstorm Radek: but the drive is not doing it
[15:08] Charlene Trudeau: lol, your cape isn't quite as passed out as you, Oskar
[15:08] Moundsa Mayo: Lag has always been a feature. It's simply MIPS usage.
[15:08] Darling Brody: lol @ your very happy cape.
[15:08] Oskar Linden: oh well
[15:08] xstorm Radek: and the GPU is fine
[15:08] Charlene Trudeau: it seems happy to see us
[15:08] Gooden Uggla: apparently it's a "legacy feature"...
[15:08] Oskar Linden: not important
[15:08] Charlene Trudeau: :)
[15:08] Oskar Linden: so yeah ADITI is getting a makeover
[15:08] Rocky Pickles: lag is the one feature that is backwards compatible :)
[15:08] Oskar Linden: I hope to task Milo with that since he is the 1.40 qa lead
[15:08] Darling Brody: can we paint it pink?
[15:09] Charlene Trudeau: lol, Rocky
[15:09] Oskar Linden: let him whip these sims into shape
[15:09] Moundsa Mayo: Is Ty Pennington doing it?
[15:09] Oskar Linden: 1.38.4 is fully out
[15:09] Oskar Linden: lil got that finished up today
[15:09] Oskar Linden: anyone seeing any major issues from it on AGNI?
[15:09] Darling Brody: latest server on main grid is workign find for me.
[15:09] Lares Carter: havent seen any issues.
[15:09] Charlene Trudeau: been humming on skybeam
[15:10] Oskar Linden: cool. it was a fairly small change
[15:10] Moundsa Mayo: Mustn't grumble.
[15:10] Oskar Linden: but you never know
[15:10] Moundsa Mayo: I mean, nope!
[15:10] Oskar Linden: careful skills
[15:10] Skills Hak: >:/
[15:11] Oskar Linden: ok
[15:11] ANSI Soderstrom: o.O
[15:11] Skills Hak: is something up with the terrain?
[15:11] xstorm Radek: ?
[15:11] Skills Hak: looks funky to me
[15:11] Oskar Linden: region presence is down
[15:11] Skills Hak: o
[15:11] Darling Brody: missing regions is messing with terrain texture
[15:11] SHAMUS Carter: ahhhhh
[15:11] xstorm Radek: is it ?
[15:11] Oskar Linden: on to 1.40 news
[15:11] Gooden Uggla: i'll let gyou know after the wet t-shirt party tonight... those always bring out odd behaviours in regions (and avs)
[15:11] Oskar Linden: we are sooooooooooooooooooooo close to branching
[15:11] Charlene Trudeau: cool
[15:11] Skills Hak: hellz yeah
[15:11] Motor Loon: woohoo..
[15:12] WolfPup Lowenhar: -*@ ROFL @*- gooden
[15:12] xstorm Radek: bs go
[15:12] Alpha 5: Ready! Type 'bs help' for a list of commands.
[15:12] Huns Valen: hi5
[15:12] xstorm Radek: accel 200
[15:12] Oskar Linden: we have 3 more features to get through merge and then we are branching
[15:12] Oskar Linden: hopefully tomorrow
[15:12] xstorm Radek: bs accel 100
[15:12] Alpha 5: accel is now 100
[15:12] Sebastean Steamweaver: What features are those?
[15:12] Oskar Linden: we're trying hard to get it deployed here tomorrow afternoon/evening
[15:12] Oskar Linden: but that _might_ not happen
[15:13] Oskar Linden: until they make it I can't mention them
[15:13] Jonathan Yap: Will grid fixup be done by then?
[15:13] Gooden Uggla: does havok 7 look like it's behaving itself?
[15:13] Lares Carter: you'll send out a notice in the list when its up?
[15:13] Oskar Linden: hopefully
[15:13] Oskar Linden: james was messing with it a few minutes ago
[15:13] Oskar Linden: I will send out a notice when the list is up
[15:13] Darling Brody: someone give skills some rittelen
[15:13] Oskar Linden: since we are talking about 1.40 I wanted to introduce the 1.40 dev lead
[15:13] Oskar Linden: that would be Monty Linden
[15:13] Skills Hak: wat
[15:14] Oskar Linden: who is here with us today
[15:14] Motor Loon: I ran H7 testing yesterday, all my products behaved perfectly - I'm really impressed with H7's power
[15:14] Moundsa Mayo: YAY Monty!
[15:14] Oskar Linden: everyone say hi to monty
[15:14] Skills Hak: hey monty
[15:14] Charlene Trudeau: hi, Monty!
[15:14] SHAMUS Carter: hey monty
[15:14] Lares Carter: heya Monty
[15:14] Monty Linden: Hey!
[15:14] SHAMUS Carter: **:•.•:** hallo hello hi holla **:•.•:**
[15:14] Oskar Linden: be nice to him. he actually writes the code
[15:14] Gooden Uggla: *waves at monty
[15:14] ANSI Soderstrom: hi monty
[15:14] Oskar Linden: just tests it
[15:14] LadyDi Andel: Hi Monty
[15:14] Simon Linden: High Monty
[15:14] Huns Valen: bonjour
[15:14] Motor Loon: Ey Monty
[15:14] Darling Brody: Welcome Monty.
[15:14] Matias Warcliffe: hi monty
[15:14] xstorm Radek: after trying to crash oatmeal 11 i think it works with flying colors
[15:14] Oskar Linden: so wassup monty?
[15:14] Oskar Linden: who are you and what do you do?
[15:14] Skills Hak: Looking good!
[15:14] ANSI Soderstrom: and why
[15:14] Monty Linden: well, I'm server dev doing more data work
[15:15] WolfPup Lowenhar: this sim in on havok 7 righ
[15:15] Monty Linden: you know me from crashes that don't happen and linden homes
[15:15] Oskar Linden: this sim is not a havok 7 sim wolfpup
[15:15] Darling Brody: Monty, dont forget to include llOrbitAvatar.. the cheque is in the mail.
[15:15] Monty Linden: and I get to read all the code that's going into 1.40
[15:15] Sebastean Steamweaver: Hi Monty :)
[15:15] Oskar Linden: yeah, monty, milo and I are going to have a nice fun little code review pow-wow
[15:15] xstorm Radek: primy linden homes verry primy
[15:15] Monty Linden: and I'm waiting for one of the merges....
[15:15] WolfPup Lowenhar: ok ill need to goto one so i can test my flight and boosting hud
[15:15] Monty Linden: yeah, the squirrels really killed us
[15:16] Skills Hak: sekrit skwirls
[15:16] Skills Hak: are plotting your demise
[15:16] Rex Cronon: howdy monty
[15:16] Motor Loon: HAHAHA
[15:16] Gooden Uggla: wolfpup just type "oatmeal" in the aditi map
[15:16] Gooden Uggla: and go there
[15:16] Oskar Linden: the regions might be down right now
[15:16] Gooden Uggla: oatmeal 11-15
[15:16] Gooden Uggla: or not...
[15:16] Gooden Uggla: :P
[15:16] WolfPup Lowenhar: ok i will after the meeting
[15:16] Oskar Linden: not certain they have the latest havok code
[15:17] Oskar Linden: wait for this weekend and we get 1.40 on here
[15:17] Motor Loon: or the new scripting features
[15:17] Darling Brody: oatmeal is yuck, cant we have coco pops?
[15:17] Oskar Linden: oatmeal is my region darling
[15:17] xstorm Radek: I DID NOT CRAH Oatmeal
[15:17] Motor Loon: got a lot of script errors from my use of llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast ;-)
[15:17] Darling Brody: still not eating it!
[15:17] WolfPup Lowenhar: i wonder how it will afect my rocket sphere
[15:17] Oskar Linden: puts some vegemite in darlings oatmeal
[15:17] Sebastean Steamweaver: makes it his mission to find Monty's office hours.
[15:17] Darling Brody: OMG.. thats is discusting.
[15:18] Monty Linden: if you find them, let me know....
[15:18] Oskar Linden: so yeah, no real point testing anything on aditi now. she's in a finicky state and has old code
[15:18] WolfPup Lowenhar: try it tith nato
[15:18] Darling Brody: is never comignt o dinner at Oskars house.
[15:18] Sebastean Steamweaver: I'll make them up if I have to ;)
[15:18] Sebastean Steamweaver: And then be upset with you for not attending D:
[15:18] Oskar Linden: hopefully monty will be here at my oh for the duration of 1.40 testing
[15:18] Monty Linden: there has been much sorrow since the Phoenix incident...
[15:18] Oskar Linden: he can help answer the deep technical questions that you all have
[15:19] Monty Linden: I will be here.
[15:19] Skills Hak: oh murr
[15:19] Oskar Linden: ah yes... the phoenix incident where I made the cover of the alphaville herald
[15:19] SHAMUS Carter: ohhh?
[15:19] Sebastean Steamweaver: You did? I'll have to look that one up.
[15:19] Skills Hak: lol
[15:19] Skills Hak: silly herlad
[15:19] xstorm Radek: coffee makers ?
[15:20] Oskar Linden: it's like in our internal documents on talking in world "Everything you say can and _will_ be used AGAINST you"
[15:20] ANSI Soderstrom: oh
[15:20] Skills Hak: i was waiting for an amazing gridwide woodbury counterattack story
[15:20] ANSI Soderstrom: !orbit
[15:20] Skills Hak: but no :/
[15:20] Oskar Linden: [1]
[15:20] Darling Brody: havok7. are we goign to get rid of the 200m fligth restriction so that everyone on the grid can remove one script.. the flight assist
[15:20] WolfPup Lowenhar: -*@ ROFL @*- oskar
[15:20] Oskar Linden: that is what I woke up to last week
[15:20] xstorm Radek: :-)
[15:20] SHAMUS Carter: yes the flight limit is so arcaic
[15:21] Rex Cronon: somebody took what u said literally:)
[15:21] Oskar Linden: all in good fun though
[15:21] Oskar Linden: I just have to watch what I say
[15:21] Skills Hak: :x
[15:21] xstorm Radek: lol
[15:21] Darling Brody: flight limit was from the days where where were not many people and we wanted to keep them all kn draw distance. not really an issue now.
[15:21] Sebastean Steamweaver: checked to see if the posting date of that wasn't april 1st.
[15:22] Oskar Linden: on the topic of 1.40 is the topic of testing regions
[15:22] Sebastean Steamweaver: I would love to get rid of the flight limit.
[15:22] Oskar Linden: which brings me to the next item on the agenda
[15:22] ATechwolf Foxclaw: And getting flight to work at 600 to 1000m is a biitch at time. ITs either way to reactive or not reactive at all.
[15:22] Oskar Linden: if you have a region you would like to be used for testing havok 7 put it here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5755
[15:22] JIRA-helper (left: hip): [#SVC-5755
[15:22] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#SVC-5755|JIRA-helper: [#SVC-5755]]:
[15:22] Darling Brody: Monty, make note... flight limit not popular.
[15:23] Oskar Linden: we'll be compiling a list and bringing them over
[15:23] Monty Linden: noted
[15:23] Monty Linden: (agrees but it won't necessarily help)
[15:23] Oskar Linden: Monty, make note... do something once for darling and she will never leave you alone
[15:23] Darling Brody: Oskar is that havok7 on beta or main grid? i'll be happy for main grid, but not in beta...
[15:23] Sebastean Steamweaver: X)
[15:23] SHAMUS Carter: h7 is on otmeal
[15:23] SHAMUS Carter: on adit
[15:23] ANSI Soderstrom: and what if i have no region
[15:23] Oskar Linden: that's fine darling. we'll keep your regions off aditi
[15:24] Oskar Linden: you can use all the regions here ANSI
[15:24] Darling Brody: my serves melt when they reg rezzed here.
[15:24] Luisa Bourgoin: those flight assist scripts probably eat 2% of grid total power supply allone
[15:24] Oskar Linden: yeah someone didn't code in grid specifics eh?
[15:24] Darling Brody: it might have been the flight assist scripts and not the woffal ion that brought down the grid.
[15:25] Oskar Linden: I'm sure
[15:25] SHAMUS Carter: atleast single script resizers are now posabl;e
[15:25] Darling Brody: nope.. i forgot that... but i'm the only owner.
[15:25] Oskar Linden: that is a good thing
[15:25] Luisa Bourgoin: they had been before, just limited onto 5 Prims per second
[15:25] xstorm Radek: Oskar if you need a sim to test 1.40 on in Agni trendone Mainland is a good one ;-)
[15:25] Oskar Linden: add it to the list xstorm
[15:25] ANSI Soderstrom: then i will take morris O.o
[15:26] Oskar Linden: you want morris ANSI?
[15:26] ANSI Soderstrom: *g
[15:26] Gooden Uggla: script resizer is made [2]
[15:26] Oskar Linden: you want the responsibility for this fine piece of real estate?
[15:26] Oskar Linden: keep the prims cleaned up
[15:26] Oskar Linden: the grass mowed
[15:26] ANSI Soderstrom: oh no
[15:26] Charlene Trudeau: roflmao
[15:26] Oskar Linden: I know how much you like leaving prims around
[15:26] ANSI Soderstrom: better not
[15:26] SHAMUS Carter: hehe
[15:26] Oskar Linden: careful what you ask for
[15:26] xstorm Radek: lol
[15:26] Skills Hak: can i add my whole estate?
[15:27] Darling Brody: llReturnObject(list keys) <<<< this function would make automated return of objects after people leave very easy....
[15:27] Skills Hak: would be interesting for the combat people
[15:27] xstorm Radek: yes he has them all over Agni too lol
[15:27] Oskar Linden: probably not skills
[15:27] Skills Hak: oke
[15:27] Oskar Linden: that's a lot
[15:27] Skills Hak: notrly
[15:27] Oskar Linden: but if you had one you wanted over we could accomadate
[15:27] Skills Hak: oh so its going to be on aditi
[15:27] Skills Hak: i didnt get that bit
[15:28] Oskar Linden: :-D
[15:28] Skills Hak: ill test in oatmeal
[15:28] Darling Brody: yep... it will be on the beta grid here where everyone will play with your pose balls.
[15:28] Gooden Uggla: skills pick the sim that you have the most control over - parcel and group owenership
[15:28] xstorm Radek: oh crap brb door bell
[15:29] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey ardy
[15:29] Skills Hak: oskar is copybotting whole sims over to aditi
[15:29] Darling Brody: maybe if you guys log region crashes you could bring the most crashing non-sandbox regions over?
[15:29] Darling Brody: report Oskar for copybotting.
[15:29] SHAMUS Carter: more like load oar
[15:29] Oskar Linden: I will have the oatmeal regions set up for havok testing
[15:29] Oskar Linden: and will probably have some debug regions as well
[15:29] Rex Cronon: skills. u have good chances of making herald's front page:)
[15:30] Gooden Uggla: awesome, what should we test for?
[15:30] Skills Hak: heheh
[15:30] Oskar Linden: the next item involves items you keep here on ADITI
[15:30] SHAMUS Carter: eeps.
[15:30] Oskar Linden: has been known to make mistakes from time to time and copy peopls inventories over when not requested
[15:30] Oskar Linden: blushes
[15:30] Darling Brody: this weeks front page will read "oskar in orgy on beta grid" with a photo of us all laying down.
[15:30] Skills Hak: oh murr
[15:30] Skills Hak: aditi yiffy time
[15:30] ANSI Soderstrom: o.O
[15:31] Jacky Scharf: Hmmm ... I'm not the owner of a specific Agni sim. But I live there and so I'd like to have the region in Aditi ... when able.
[15:31] SHAMUS Carter: now now rember just beauce the parcle seay7s mature dont mean the meating minits are adult
[15:31] Gooden Uggla: don't worry ANSI, no one "does the plushie" with linden bears...
[15:31] Oskar Linden: I should reemphasize that aditi might eat things
[15:31] Oskar Linden: nothing is sacred here
[15:31] ANSI Soderstrom: fine @ gooden O.o
[15:31] Oskar Linden: so always make sure to have stuff backed up and on AGNI
[15:32] SHAMUS Carter: yep
[15:32] SHAMUS Carter: aditi is just a mirro of angi and as suck reimages happen
[15:32] Gooden Uggla: looks around and notices that aditi rarely eats garbage
[15:32] Lares Carter: any timeframe when next full inv copy is coming?
[15:32] Oskar Linden: so on that note
[15:33] Oskar Linden: we're copying over all accounts
[15:33] Rocky Pickles: open 'a' people.. thats 440 hz
[15:33] *Kilo 13*: Burning Life Porta John: Dialog is timed out, try again
[15:33] SHAMUS Carter: *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*Yayyyyyyy!!!!*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*
[15:33] Oskar Linden: to get ready for some beta testing next week
[15:33] Gooden Uggla: awesome
[15:33] Oskar Linden: so if you are potentially going to be losing something here at least make sure things are backed up
[15:33] Skills Hak: when is mesh beta going public?
[15:33] Oskar Linden: scripts and whatnot
[15:33] ATechwolf Foxclaw: Yea \o/
[15:33] Gooden Uggla: oskar is there anything specific we should test ?
[15:33] Oskar Linden: we'll let you know
[15:33] Oskar Linden: I always send out a mail
[15:34] Rex Cronon: u realize that some people have a lot of hope that if they come to beta they can retrive lost things...
[15:34] Oskar Linden: so if you are not on the list : https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/server-beta
[15:34] Oskar Linden: you should be
[15:34] ANSI Soderstrom: i will test the tests
[15:34] Oskar Linden: Monty, can you get on that list now too please?
[15:34] Darling Brody: Rex, you mean some griefers who are banned use it to get their scripts?
[15:34] Monty Linden: I should be, I'll dbl check
[15:35] Rex Cronon: i have no idea, darling. i just read about that on the forums
[15:35] Monty Linden: I'm there.
[15:35] Oskar Linden: cool
[15:35] Oskar Linden: we'll use that list heavily during aditi beta I hope
[15:35] Darling Brody: Some griefer forums tell people to come to beta to get their griefer scripts if they are banned. so it is good that not everyone s automaticly copied to beta.
[15:36] Oskar Linden: so yeah. that's that. I'll open the floor to whatever you want to discuss
[15:36] Darling Brody: also they use beta to exploit new permissions bugs or old ones closed on the main grid.
[15:36] Skills Hak: those damn griefers!
[15:36] SHAMUS Carter: ugh
[15:36] Sebastean Steamweaver: When will the release notes for 1.4 be put up? (sorry if it was mentioned and I missed)
[15:36] Oskar Linden: bans on agni get copied over
[15:37] Oskar Linden: but not always right away
[15:37] Darling Brody: really they are criminals. not grifers. if theyw ere running around with a cage gun i would be just find abotu it
[15:37] Darling Brody: *fine
[15:37] Skills Hak: so why are you on the ground?
[15:37] Darling Brody: SVC-3044[c
[15:37] Skills Hak: worked too hard?
[15:37] JIRA-helper (left: hip): [3]
[#SVC-3044] channel and: script error reporting needs a major rethink
[15:37] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3044:
[#SVC-3044] channel and: script error reporting needs a major rethink
[15:37] Motor Loon: bad coffee Skills
[15:38] Motor Loon: If he offers you a cup... just say no
[15:38] Moundsa Mayo: damned blended frapps!
[15:38] Darling Brody: would it not be a good idea to make a second Verbose debut channel and leave the current one with the original format so legacy stuff continues to work?
[15:38] Skills Hak: :<
[15:38] Skills Hak: poor oskar
[15:38] Skills Hak: what's next, tc_malloc?
[15:38] ANSI Soderstrom: define legacy stuff
[15:38] Moundsa Mayo: yeah, and make a debug.txt chat log, too!
[15:38] Gooden Uggla: i'd like to see an owner name attached to those debug messages - too many bad vista AOs out there
[15:39] Oskar Linden: tcmalloc in 1.42 yes
[15:39] ANSI Soderstrom: the stuff, basedon bugs and always used because LL will not break existing content ?
[15:39] Darling Brody: DEBUG_CHANNEL +1 could hold verbose info, while the original channel can hold the same old format we have been using for years to track crashed scripts and auto-restart them.
[15:39] Oskar Linden: not sure what else is planned for 1.42
[15:39] Oskar Linden: that is the big thing
[15:39] Rex Cronon: does havok7 allow attachments to use volumedetect?
[15:39] SHAMUS Carter: oh the moles still have not resolved [4] ;-)
[15:39] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#MISC-2781|JIRA-helper: [#MISC-2781]]:
[15:40] SHAMUS Carter: ;-)
[15:40] Moundsa Mayo: That's on Maintenance land. Moles can't work there.
[15:40] Gooden Uggla: oskar is tc malloc really going to help performance?
[15:40] Rocky Pickles: and the brief version of why please for those of us in the peanut gallery :)
[15:40] Monty Linden: rex, I don't know. May not be able to answer that yet...
[15:41] Oskar Linden: well gooden there are some advantages
[15:41] Oskar Linden: the main advantage is inline profiling
[15:41] Oskar Linden: so we can get an immediate snapshot of performance metrics on individual sims
[15:41] Oskar Linden: to help with diagnosing issues
[15:41] Oskar Linden: that is the main thing we are shooting for
[15:41] Darling Brody: SVC-1253[c
[15:41] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1253:
[#SVC-1253] sitting on: prims, which are set to phantom are not affected by damage.
[15:41] Rex Cronon: now. if volume detect would work on attachments it would be possible to make some nice shields:)
[15:42] Oskar Linden: memory management itself is pretty much in line with pthreads 12
[15:42] Oskar Linden: 2
[15:42] Oskar Linden: as far as I can tell
[15:42] Skills Hak: oh what about the uh
[15:42] Oskar Linden: ?
[15:42] Skills Hak: revoke permissions on unsit thing?
[15:42] Rex Cronon: this is fixed: SVC-1253?
[15:42] Oskar Linden: it's not on my radar yet
[15:42] Skills Hak: i think that didnt make it in 1.38.4 no?
[15:42] Skills Hak: ah
[15:43] Maestro Linden: Skills: i'm not aware of any updates to that one
[15:43] SHAMUS Carter: will it ever be posable to creat new mega prims?
[15:43] Maestro Linden: I think any changes to that would require a full testing cycle
[15:43] Darling Brody: Rex, for volume detect to work on attachments it means those attchments when not phantom would collide with people and stuff. that might be a problem. i think attachments were made phantom years ago to avoid this.
[15:43] Maestro Linden: given all the odd edge cases...
[15:43] Skills Hak: yes
[15:43] Oskar Linden: megaprims were never officially possible SHAMUS
[15:43] Rex Cronon: until we try it we don't know, darling:)
[15:43] Sebastean Steamweaver: Darling - attachments are never not-phantom.
[15:43] Oskar Linden: they were always made with hacks
[15:44] Rex Cronon: skills were u talking about: VWR-13228
[15:44] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13228:
[#VWR-13228] can obtain: and retain permissions indefinitely without avatar's knowledge and no way of knowing who took it - possible security issue
[15:44] Skills Hak: "unsupported"
[15:44] Skills Hak: ah thanks
[15:45] ATechwolf Foxclaw: I know one person that use VWR-13228 to harras a female. I was just a new user back then and didn't know about this exploit.
[15:45] Gooden Uggla: question: is it really necessary to upgrade the debian to get mono to work correctly?
[15:45] Gooden Uggla: there was some backpedalling on that recently
[15:45] Oskar Linden: that is what I am told Gooden
[15:45] Gooden Uggla: ok, cool
[15:45] Lares Carter: i dont think volume detect would ever work for attachments, as animations are local - so it doesnt have a known position for collisions.
[15:45] xstorm Radek: i say it needs it
[15:45] SHAMUS Carter: Andrew Linden talked about[ the "liberation" of mega prims mey years ago it seams
[15:45] Oskar Linden: I don't know a lot about it, so I have to take babbage's word
[15:45] Gooden Uggla: [5]
[15:45] Darling Brody: VWR-13228 is going to drop permissions after xx second/minutes after avatar stands up. so anything using short animations will work, but keeping objects long term for griefing will fail.
[15:45] Rex Cronon: i think there might be quite a few people interested to know if VWR-13228 is fixed or not, or if will ever be fixed
[15:46] Oskar Linden: if you sweet talk monty he'll upgrade prim size to 11x11x11
[15:46] Rocky Pickles: i'm going to speculate that debian is patched when there is a substantial reason to do so
[15:46] Oskar Linden: that should keep people happy for a few years
[15:46] SHAMUS Carter: gigles
[15:46] xstorm Radek: short animation ???? what is there to animation on me ????
[15:46] Moundsa Mayo: Ain't nothing ever 'gonna keep people happy'.
[15:47] Rocky Pickles: paying for votes in rum was once a popular method :)
[15:47] Moundsa Mayo: Too many ungrateful wretches.
[15:47] Monty Linden: likes rum
[15:47] Oskar Linden: would take a bottle of Kraken Rum right about now
[15:47] Gooden Uggla: rocky... fixing mono is a showstopper, i'd say it's a substantial reason
[15:47] Oskar Linden: [6]
[15:48] SHAMUS Carter: yes mono
[15:48] Darling Brody: SVC-421[c
[15:48] xstorm Radek: i know too well about people crying about every thing and blaming all his problems on sl the young man drives me nut
[15:48] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-421:
[#SVC-421] delete contents: from no-modify objects
[15:48] SHAMUS Carter: the mono sim rezes are verty anoying
[15:48] Gooden Uggla: i think i'll stick to sailor jerry...
[15:48] SHAMUS Carter: frezes
[15:49] Skills Hak: that will be in 1.44 maybe?
[15:49] Skills Hak: with mono 1.26
[15:49] Rex Cronon: i have the same opinion as darling regarding svc-421
[15:49] Oskar Linden: 1.44 is so far away I don't even want to think about it
[15:49] Maestro Linden: Skills: that's what I've heard. Babbage could tell you more at this point
[15:50] Darling Brody: god knows what kind of new exploits will be possible if people can remove selected scripts from objects that were designed to never have their contents altered.
[15:50] Oskar Linden: so 10 minutes left
[15:50] Rex Cronon: if deletion is allowd that means that some objects that were given away as demos can be moded
[15:50] SHAMUS Carter: maby some year svc-22 will finaly be fixed
[15:50] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-22:
[#SVC-22] crossing region: borders aren't always treated as vehicles and can get incorrectly returned if the destination parcel is no-entry or parcel-full
[15:50] Oskar Linden: any burning questions for Monty Linde while we have his undistracted attention?
[15:50] Huns Valen: SVC-22 would be nice.
[15:51] Huns Valen: it doesn't appear to be assigned.
[15:51] Darling Brody: Will Monty do the Full Monty?
[15:51] Oskar Linden: Darling!!
[15:51] Monty Linden: tp's do it for me....
[15:51] Darling Brody: what?
[15:51] Motor Loon: gets camera out
[15:51] Oskar Linden: I warned you to behave
[15:51] Charlene Trudeau: what?
[15:51] Charlene Trudeau: its not a pg sim
[15:51] Darling Brody: looks left and right innocently
[15:51] Charlene Trudeau: grins
[15:52] SHAMUS Carter: the meatign minets are public tho and pg
[15:52] Charlene Trudeau: lol
[15:52] Darling Brody: chants : take it off, take it off
[15:52] Charlene Trudeau: roflmao
[15:52] Darling Brody: HAY.. who is faking messages from me/
[15:52] Moundsa Mayo: It HURTS taking off fur!
[15:52] Oskar Linden: all it took was for me to tp in once with no clothes on and no one has ever chanted to take it off since then
[15:52] Darling Brody: Shave it off... Shave it off
[15:52] Charlene Trudeau: roflmao
[15:52] Moundsa Mayo: Scales are even WORSE!
[15:52] Rocky Pickles: yeah right Darlling.. you first :)
[15:52] Oskar Linden: ok ok
[15:52] Darling Brody: ok
[15:53] Oskar Linden: this is all going in the transcript btw
[15:53] Rex Cronon: faking messages? how does that work?
[15:53] Darling Brody: there we go.. i took everything off
[15:53] Oskar Linden: the next time you all complain about poor SL performance I'll remind you that monty's clothing was the most important thing you had to talk about :-)
[15:54] Darling Brody: Hay. i brought up lots of topics...
[15:54] Monty Linden: yeah, I was going to double prim limits if someone said something nice.....
[15:54] Oskar Linden: :-D
[15:54] Charlene Trudeau: lol
[15:54] ANSI Soderstrom: skills....
[15:54] Oskar Linden: so... we can spend the next 5 minutes talking about my truck
[15:54] Ovaltine Constantine: I can't remember if anyon has said what else is in 1.40 besides Havok 7. Is the answer "nothing", or is it just a secret?
[15:54] Oskar Linden: ordered some remote control spotlights for her
[15:54] Rocky Pickles: damned by very faint praise indeed :)
[15:54] Moundsa Mayo: Thanks - rather have Tlelport Vehicle With Passengers!
[15:54] Darling Brody: Monty, we wanted you to take it off... that only happens if we like ya.
[15:55] SHAMUS Carter: ok h7
[15:55] Charlene Trudeau: thanks, Monty
[15:55] Oskar Linden: I bought like 500 pounds of steel monday to make pretty stuff
[15:55] SHAMUS Carter: wheat the eta on greather then 32 pims
[15:55] ANSI Soderstrom: gave you ASC HUD (wear me).
[15:55] Huns Valen: ^^^
[15:55] xstorm Radek: yes did it damn
[15:55] Oskar Linden: my truck is gonna look so awesome
[15:55] Gooden Uggla: ao off
[15:55] ANSI Soderstrom: u need spotlights, now u have spotlights
[15:55] Moundsa Mayo: Hot rolled or cold?
[15:55] xstorm Radek: lol
[15:55] xstorm Radek: off grid flying and back
[15:55] Oskar Linden: pretty sure cold
[15:55] Oskar Linden: square tube
[15:55] SHAMUS Carter: would be sweet to finaly be rid of the atachable cars and have it all one object
[15:55] Huns Valen: Maestro how bout 'that
[15:56] Maestro Linden: Ovaltine: some "secret", some TBD
[15:56] Oskar Linden: rolled, bent, seam welded
[15:56] Oskar Linden: sadly I realzied the cool stuff in 1.40 won't be noticed til vwr 2.1 ships
[15:56] Maestro Linden: about >32 prims, I'm not sure when Falcon is planning on that..
[15:56] Oskar Linden: :-(
[15:56] Darling Brody: why is Maestro Linden scared?
[15:57] Moundsa Mayo: Yah, cold, unless special ordered. You MIG or TIG?
[15:57] SHAMUS Carter: meshes coming?
[15:57] Huns Valen: I will have a keg of beer delivered to linden lab if you guys can get that done by june. no lie.
[15:57] Skills Hak: that looks pretty cool
[15:57] Maestro Linden: this shaking is excitement for 1.40
[15:57] Skills Hak: it's not an animation is it?
[15:57] xstorm Radek: lol
[15:57] Ovaltine Constantine: Is Viewer 2.1 going to be good?
[15:57] Oskar Linden: yes 1.40 has an animation
[15:57] Darling Brody: ok... if you say so...
[15:57] Ovaltine Constantine: Or will it be like 2.0?
[15:57] xstorm Radek: shake faster your slow
[15:57] Maestro Linden: or rather, 1.38 being done :D
[15:57] Skills Hak: yay :P
[15:57] Motor Loon: Will mesh's be able to be physical objects? like a car made from a single mesh
[15:58] Oskar Linden: of course vwr 2.1 will be super ossm
[15:58] Oskar Linden: everything you hoped for and more
[15:58] Oskar Linden: and you can quote monty on that
[15:58] Gooden Uggla: :)
[15:58] Ovaltine Constantine: Even llTextBox()?
[15:58] Huns Valen: will viewer 2.1 have settext that works right? :)
[15:58] SHAMUS Carter: will 2.1 use the ugly 2.0 ui?
[15:58] Skills Hak: yeah it will even have the correct physical shape
[15:58] Monty Linden: great big shiny bright future coming....
[15:58] Skills Hak: not bounding boxes
[15:58] Gooden Uggla: if you'll read the blog, there's a list of changes in 2.1 viewer
[15:58] Motor Loon: interesting
[15:58] Darling Brody: YES!!!!!!!!!!!! llSetText is major messed up in 2.0, and no one is assiged to fix it.
[15:59] Huns Valen: I think alexa commented on that just an hour ago, finally, but no one's assigned yet
[15:59] SHAMUS Carter: and the siting induced orbiting is just wrong
[15:59] Gooden Uggla: since it mentions nothing about MoaP security, i won't be using it, but it'll be "better"
[15:59] Oskar Linden: "better"(tm)
[15:59] Gooden Uggla: mmhmm
[15:59] Darling Brody: yes. i ARed ariu for edit wars on that jira. Alexa normaly turns up after that
[16:00] Huns Valen: there was an edit war?
[16:00] Huns Valen: lol
[16:00] Oskar Linden: alexa likes crushing the edit wars
[16:00] Huns Valen: over settext
[16:00] Oskar Linden: she always wins
[16:00] Gooden Uggla: and cieran will still be boitching about search, it's a little "improved"
[16:00] Darling Brody: yes, between major and shop stopper
[16:00] Oskar Linden: well my hour is up
[16:00] Huns Valen: I mean it's annoying but holy damn
[16:00] Oskar Linden: derezzes

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