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This meeting was held on September 23rd, 2010

Agenda

Discuss resolution of previous open items

Updates

Second Life Server 10.9.10.210079 is on the full grid

How does it look?
Any major issues?

BlueSteel 10.09.21.210146 is live

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/BlueSteel
How does it look?
Any major issues?
Reports of increased TPV crash rates.
- Can anyone corroborate?

LeTigre regions are getting corralled today

https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/LeTigre
We might get an RC here next week.

Effective Beta Testing in the NWO

What is ADITI used for now?
How does that affect you?
How can you help?

The Simulator Console

What is it?
What does it do?
When can we expect it?
- Soon™
What do you want it to do?

Releases

Second Life Server 10.9.10.210079 went into production this week.
BlueSteel 10.09.21.210146 RC is live
- https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/BlueSteel

Any other business

What you want to talk about goes here

Is the password change Aditi account update working? I've been waiting 6 days for an update to get my passwords in sync.

Meeting Minutes

Transcript

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for September 23rd, 2010:

[15:02] Lares Carter: heya oskar
[15:02] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Greetings
[15:02] Gooden Uggla: hiya oskar
[15:02] Oskar Linden: hi hi
[15:03] Sigma Avro: cant join group, am already in
[15:03] Sigma Avro: nice object asking to join
[15:03] Oskar Linden: what's playing the music? :-p
[15:05] Oskar Linden: ok ok how do you do sound beacons in vwr 2 *sigh*
[15:05] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
[15:05] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I dont hear any music or sounds
[15:05] Flynn Tigerpaw: I wish the menus were easier to read.. don't
[15:05] Flynn Tigerpaw: know
[15:06] Oskar Linden: is it just me then?
[15:06] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Takes Oskars temperature
[15:06] Lares Carter: i dont hear music either
[15:06] Oskar Linden: something around here is playing music
[15:07] Jonathan Yap: Can't you show beacons for music?
[15:07] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I see no Sound Beacons
[15:07] Flynn Tigerpaw: there is sound sources beacon in 1.23
[15:07] Ovaltine Constantine: Could it be media?
[15:07] Lares Carter: i dont see any close sound sources with beacons
[15:07] Flynn Tigerpaw: turning mine on
[15:07] Oskar Linden: aha
[15:08] Oskar Linden: it was ansi!
[15:08] Sigma Avro: it is media Oskar
[15:09] Rex Cronon: do u also see dead people:)
[15:09] Oskar Linden: i'll figure it out later
[15:09] Oskar Linden: at least I made it stop
[15:10] Oskar Linden: and only 10 minutes after the hour *sigh*
[15:10] Rickk Turbo: not late am I?
[15:10] Oskar Linden: nope
[15:10] Rickk Turbo: good
[15:10] Rickk Turbo: :)
[15:10] Oskar Linden: ok where was I
[15:10] Oskar Linden: the agenda!
[15:10] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta_Server_Office_Hours
[15:10] Gooden Uggla: `*`WooT`*`
[15:11] Oskar Linden: alright uhm so
[15:11] Oskar Linden: Second Life Server 10.9.10.210079 is on the full grid
[15:12] Oskar Linden: our first RC made it through the week
[15:12] Oskar Linden: so it got promoted to a production release
[15:12] Oskar Linden: seems to have worked
[15:12] Oskar Linden: the enxt day we put out a new RC onto the BlueSteel Channel
[15:12] Oskar Linden: BlueSteel 10.09.21.210146
[15:13] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/BlueSteel not on that there
[15:13] Oskar Linden: * Simulator crash modes
* Improvements to the Region Conductor[1]]
This helps down regions come back up more quickly.
* Modifications to deploy tools to support Release Candidates
[15:13] Conover's Flight-Helper: 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and operational.
[15:13] Oskar Linden: among other fixes
[15:14] Sigma Avro: and whish are these ; those regions on a sim host that has room for it
[15:14] Oskar Linden: what?
[15:15] Oskar Linden: i don't understand the question
[15:15] Sigma Avro: the region conductos ? Will load other sims ?
[15:15] Oskar Linden: the region conductor does a lot. it's not new
[15:16] Lares Carter: were there any changes that could impact sim performance? i have seen slightly better FPS
[15:16] Oskar Linden: possibly, but nothing targetting that specifically
[15:16] Sigma Avro: ye, I am speakin the link [1
[15:16] Oskar Linden: some bug fixes
[15:17] Oskar Linden: simhosts can only run a few regions. when that simhost is full it can't start up a new region. the region conductor finds a free simhost
[15:17] Oskar Linden: is all that it is saying
[15:17] Sigma Avro: ok, but what is a sim host ?
[15:18] Gooden Uggla: server
[15:18] Oskar Linden: a host for the simulators
[15:18] Sigma Avro: I eman servers dedicated to this, or other sims ?
[15:18] Oskar Linden: a box in a server room
[15:18] Oskar Linden: I'm not really followin gyour questions Sigma
[15:19] Gooden Uggla: TPV crash rates are up on blue steel?
[15:19] Oskar Linden: so they say
[15:19] Oskar Linden: I have no more info
[15:19] Rickk Turbo: i can't i've experienced any crashes myself
[15:19] Rickk Turbo: no more than the regular servers
[15:19] Marigold Devin: I'm not crashing on Phoenix on main grid.
[15:19] Oskar Linden: ok
[15:19] Gooden Uggla: i only crrash at oz's meeting ... hmm...
[15:19] Oskar Linden: I don't know what is going on there
[15:20] Marigold Devin: I think there is a certain amount of hysteria. Negativity.
[15:20] Oskar Linden: in SL?!
[15:20] Oskar Linden: no!
[15:20] Marigold Devin: haha sorry I state the obvious.
[15:20] Oskar Linden: say it isn't so
[15:20] Oskar Linden: so we just keep steaming right along
[15:20] Bronson Blackadder: I havent noticed any crashes on any tpv
[15:20] Bronson Blackadder: yet
[15:20] Oskar Linden: we are setting up our second RC channel LeTigre
[15:20] Oskar Linden: Lil is sectioning off some servers from the rest of the herd
[15:21] Oskar Linden: roping em in
[15:21] Oskar Linden: and branding them LeTigre
[15:21] Oskar Linden: he'll be done later today
[15:21] Marigold Devin: Hence your lovely tiger themed outfit?
[15:21] Oskar Linden: yeah. u like that?
[15:21] Marigold Devin: Love it more than I ever loved Undertaker Colman ;-)
[15:21] Bronson Blackadder: stunning Oskar
[15:21] Jonathan Yap: Here are some terms defined (most people write "sim" when they really are referring to a "region") [1]
[15:21] Gooden Uggla: it's nicely weird, yup :)
[15:22] Flynn Tigerpaw: I have land on both RC's, the "Running a different server Version" messages are driving me nuts
[15:22] Oskar Linden: textured it myself! can you tell?
[15:22] Flynn Tigerpaw: when I cross the boundries
[15:22] Marigold Devin: haha looks like how I would texture it.
[15:22] Marigold Devin: Random
[15:22] Marigold Devin: quirky
[15:22] Oskar Linden: anyway
[15:22] Bronson Blackadder: now all you need is a bass guitar and you can be in Kiss
[15:23] Flynn Tigerpaw: Is there a way to turn that message off?
[15:23] Oskar Linden: barring any unforeseen issues we will push this bluesteel to the main grid next Tuesday
[15:23] Sigma Avro: dont think so Flynn
[15:23] Oskar Linden: then wednesday we will get a new bluesteel and probably a letigre release
[15:23] Jonathan Yap: Flynn, compile your own viewer?
[15:23] Jonathan Yap: That would be a nice debug setting actually
[15:24] Flynn Tigerpaw: lol I guess the moral of the story is don't buy mainland on both sides of a sim crossing
[15:24] Oskar Linden: this stuff is moving fast. it's hard to keep track of it all
[15:24] Marigold Devin: That was my line in the script o.O
[15:24] Oskar Linden: you mean the server message on region crossings/tp?
[15:24] Flynn Tigerpaw: yes
[15:24] Oskar Linden: I can bring up that idea
[15:25] Sigma Avro: nice to have new releases, but what new they have ? I expect the answer : bug fixesnice to have new relaeases, but what new ? I expect answer = bug fixes
[15:25] Rickk Turbo: can that not be supressed?
[15:25] Flynn Tigerpaw: is it even needed?
[15:25] Gooden Uggla: it tell you when your sim becomes a pilot
[15:25] Rickk Turbo: im not even sure why I need to know if I'm crossing into a different version
[15:25] Oskar Linden: I'll talk about it with the team
[15:26] Flynn Tigerpaw: great!
[15:26] Rickk Turbo: would be nice if the SL client has a debug setting
[15:26] Oskar Linden: it's a good point
[15:26] Rickk Turbo: to stop it
[15:26] Gooden Uggla: in the past, server versions have broken content, probably not as necessary now
[15:27] Oskar Linden: so... let me know if the new BlueSteel starts acting up this weekend
[15:27] Oskar Linden: it should be fine
[15:27] Oskar Linden: that brings me to the topic "Effective Beta Testing in the NWO"
[15:27] Gooden Uggla: when is all of adita going to be on channels?
[15:27] Oskar Linden: NWOP being New World Order
[15:27] Oskar Linden: ADITI is quickly losing relevence
[15:27] Oskar Linden: it will evolve into something else
[15:28] Oskar Linden: the old way of doing things was beta testing a new server version on ADITI for months
[15:28] Oskar Linden: it made sense to have lots of sim s and residents here
[15:28] XLR8RRICK Hudson: The Bilderberg Group is here ?
[15:28] Gooden Uggla: i was going to build out testing stations for thre versions as they came thru, i guess that saves me the trouble
[15:28] Sigma Avro: new release = new what Oskar ? Can you tell a few words about it ?
[15:29] Rex Cronon: so, what will happen with this grid?
[15:29] Oskar Linden: we're still working it out
[15:29] Oskar Linden: this grid will be used from a project pov
[15:29] Oskar Linden: testing specific projects
[15:29] Jonathan Yap: How many sims are in this grid?
[15:29] Oskar Linden: like tcmalloc
[15:29] Gooden Uggla: is TCMalloc going to get released?
[15:30] Oskar Linden: it is
[15:30] Oskar Linden: soon(tm)
[15:30] Oskar Linden: my guess is October
[15:30] Gooden Uggla: nice
[15:30] Oskar Linden: it's being finished up
[15:30] Oskar Linden: it'll be ready for an AGNI RC soon
[15:30] Oskar Linden: when that happens most likely it'll be the next week
[15:31] XLR8RRICK Hudson: sim3007.aditi.lindenlab.com (216.82.16.126:13001)
tcmalloc-beta 1.43.0.209706 How is it running here?
[15:31] Oskar Linden: not the latest code
[15:31] Oskar Linden: that tcmalloc was from our old process
[15:32] Oskar Linden: going forward ADITI will be used to smoke test projects
[15:32] Oskar Linden: this smoke testing will be done by an outside vendor
[15:32] Oskar Linden: probably in small ahndfuls of regions
[15:32] Jonathan Yap: Will you still want us residents to help with testing?
[15:32] Oskar Linden: the code moves so fast it's hard to do full grid testing with residents
[15:32] Oskar Linden: yes. certainly. but it will happen on a per project basis
[15:33] Oskar Linden: kind of like the pileons we've been doing the last few weeks
[15:33] Oskar Linden: a developer representative comes to my OH to talk about his/her new project
[15:33] Lares Carter: will aditi still be available for residents 24/7?
[15:33] Oskar Linden: then we do coordinated feature specific tests
[15:33] Oskar Linden: aditi will still be here
[15:33] Gooden Uggla: what about this sounds familiar? oh yeah, V2 development...
[15:33] Oskar Linden: but it has to be the testing ground for any number of upcoming projects
[15:34] Flynn Tigerpaw: aditi is very useful for developing animations, etc....
[15:34] XLR8RRICK Hudson: What about transperency
[15:34] Oskar Linden: I'm willing to let you continue to use aditi for however you need
[15:34] Oskar Linden: but aditi isn't what aditi was
[15:34] Oskar Linden: this brings me to the next agenda item
[15:35] Oskar Linden: The Simulator Console
[15:35] Oskar Linden: I've chatted ebfore about this
[15:35] Oskar Linden: and we have a base proof of concept working that I've messed around with
[15:36] Oskar Linden: the idea is to more quickly allow new features be made accessible to estate managers without having to wait for web or vwr deploys
[15:36] Oskar Linden: lemme see here. I have a screenshot
[15:36] Oskar Linden: load, load, load
[15:37] Oskar Linden: come on inventory
[15:37] Rickk Turbo: lol
[15:37] Flynn Tigerpaw: loading...
[15:37] Rickk Turbo: no URL?
[15:37] Oskar Linden: there we go
[15:37] Oskar Linden: that's me
[15:37] Oskar Linden: using the simulator console out on a dev grid
[15:37] Oskar Linden: CTRL - SHIFT - ~ invokes it
[15:37] Oskar Linden: gives you access to GET and SET variables
[15:38] Oskar Linden: if you are a region owner or Estate Manager
[15:38] Oskar Linden: it's super handy
[15:38] Oskar Linden: but not deeply integrated yet
[15:38] Oskar Linden: we're still playing around with how much control to give it
[15:39] Oskar Linden: most likely it will not take over items that are already in the UI
[15:39] Oskar Linden: not sure
[15:39] Oskar Linden: one good idea is the ability to stop a region restart
[15:40] Oskar Linden: like in the middle of a rolling restart and you have a critical meeting and get the 5 minute warning you could cancel it
[15:40] Sigma Avro: have sim file would be nice. I have never seen such a file
[15:40] Oskar Linden: what?
[15:40] Sigma Avro: infos on sim
[15:41] Gooden Uggla: we had that before, a 1 hour delay
[15:41] Gooden Uggla: was taken out last year
[15:41] Oskar Linden: this is only going to be for estate managers and region owners
[15:41] Sigma Avro: sure
[15:41] Oskar Linden: I do not know when this will be available.
[15:41] Oskar Linden: most likely the server portion will go out before the vwr part
[15:42] Lares Carter: it looks like some awesome feature to have
[15:42] Marigold Devin: Particularly good on the roleplaying sims
[15:42] Oskar Linden: I'm real excited for this feature
[15:42] Oskar Linden: because it gives EM's the ability to do a lot
[15:42] Gooden Uggla: yup, very cool
[15:42] Oskar Linden: the ability I am pushing for is choosing your RC Channel
[15:42] Oskar Linden: like
[15:42] Oskar Linden: SET RC_Channel BlueSteel
[15:42] Oskar Linden: then restart and you are on BlueSteel
[15:43] Sigma Avro: oh! nice
[15:43] Oskar Linden: 1 EM could test all the different upcoming changes on AGNI
[15:43] Oskar Linden: then go back to the production channel
[15:43] Gooden Uggla: nice:0
[15:43] Gooden Uggla: will this be on aditi too?
[15:43] Oskar Linden: still working on that
[15:43] Oskar Linden: it _could_ be on ADITI
[15:44] Oskar Linden: we'll see
[15:44] Oskar Linden: stuff on aditi is even more confusing though
[15:44] Gooden Uggla: i'll build out test sets if it is
[15:44] Lares Carter: heya Maestro
[15:44] Maestro Linden: hey guys, sorry I'm late
[15:44] Oskar Linden: hey maestro
[15:44] Oskar Linden: we're talking about the sim console
[15:44] Rex Cronon: hi
[15:44] Maestro LindenMaestro: Linden got caught up in some weird bug
[15:44] Oskar Linden: I took sekrit pics
[15:45] Maestro Linden: cool
[15:45] Oskar Linden: here's what I need from you guys
[15:45] Oskar Linden: and I present this with a HUGE caveat
[15:46] Oskar Linden: fully assume that nothing you ask for will get implemented :-)
[15:46] Bronson Blackadder: lol
[15:46] Oskar Linden: "what would you like to see the simulator console do?"
[15:46] Sigma Avro: used to, hehe
[15:46] Amilia Zabaleta: wow
[15:46] Oskar Linden: in the most perfect world of your dreams
[15:46] Rickk Turbo: C:\>
[15:46] Rickk Turbo: heh
[15:46] Gooden Uggla: hmm...
[15:47] Sigma Avro: see sim file at sim crashes, other sims on same server, data flow rates from sim to other szervers
[15:47] Maestro Linden: set simFPS 100
[15:47] Bronson Blackadder: return neighbors overhanging prims from off of your land
[15:47] Jonathan Yap: See top scripts accurately
[15:47] Lares Carter: kick & ban might be handy
[15:47] Rex Cronon: maybe u should ask sim owners and EMs? i am neither so i can;t help
[15:47] Oskar Linden: kick Gooden Uggla
[15:48] Oskar Linden: I can see that being ez to do :-p
[15:48] Marigold Devin: o.O
[15:48] Gooden Uggla: see all objects as well as scripted objects
[15:48] Sigma Avro: have control on physics. Someone asked physics buffer to record data
[15:48] Gooden Uggla: estate managers can already ban, (sometimes)
[15:48] Bronson Blackadder: have griefer objects attack the person who spawned them
[15:48] Psi Merlin: I'd like the ability to set the RC channel as you jsut indicated - the changes being testes in a given channel may be more - or less relavent to the use for a given sim
[15:49] Marigold Devin: Nice one, BB, I like that.
[15:49] Jonathan Yap: Show time since last restart
[15:49] Amilia ZabaletaAmilia: Zabaleta chuckles to herself...
[15:49] Rex Cronon: u have an idea:) how about allowing scripts to interreact with the sim console:)
[15:49] Gooden Uggla: see what avatars are wearing as attachments and how much time and memory they use
[15:49] Ovaltine Constantine: llConsoleRequest
[15:49] Oskar Linden: the console is going to start out having only a very few functions
[15:50] Sigma Avro: implement llTakeMoneyFromLindens
[15:50] Psi Merlin: I'd also like to be able to have a view of my regions resource use on the simhost - virtual memory , cpu load etc.
[15:50] Jonathan Yap: Show what other regions the simulator is running -- to help track down lag issues
[15:50] Oskar Linden: just a handful of variables that aren't easily editable from the UI
[15:50] Rex Cronon: i don't think u will ever be able to make everybody happy, so why not let users program/design their own console:)
[15:50] Gooden Uggla: return one avatar's objects from the entire sim
[15:50] Lares Carter: yes, dump region resource usage to a file would be cool or just display the info
[15:50] Amilia Zabaleta: I'm agreeing with jonathan...
[15:51] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Find Objects by Date rezzed
[15:51] Maestro Linden: an LSL interface would be interesting
[15:51] Oskar Linden: ok ok... I can see it
[15:51] Sigma Avro: possible ?
[15:51] Oskar Linden: tweak your scripted objects from the console
[15:51] Ovaltine Constantine: Find (and return?) objects by (insert criteria here)
[15:51] Gooden Uggla: sort criteria, yes
[15:51] Amilia Zabaleta: yup
[15:52] Sigma Avro: Share resources from different sims
[15:52] Oskar Linden: that's not gonna happen :-p
[15:52] Jonathan Yap: Oskar, you will need to give some thought to having ~ in the shortcut -- not all foreign language keyboards have that character
[15:52] Oskar Linden: SET StealFromNeighbors 1
[15:52] Ovaltine Constantine: Find objects with more than so much script time, with more than so many prims, above a certain height
[15:52] Oskar Linden: well it is the ` specifically
[15:53] Sigma Avro: Allow for rezing at higher than 4 km
[15:53] Amilia Zabaleta: <--agree with Ovaltine...
[15:53] Flynn Tigerpaw: allow flying above 200m w/o assist
[15:53] Gooden Uggla: when script limits come up, the ability toi share memory and prims independant of the size of parcels or the group they belong to
[15:53] Psi Merlin: So any info you can epose to allow us to have a better undersanding of the way our regions are performing would be very welcome. - and should be reasonably simple to do as it's read-only.
[15:53] Rickk Turbo: limit the number of rezzable objects by the same user?
[15:53] Rickk Turbo: per sec
[15:54] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Hahaha you asked for it Oskar
[15:54] Sigma Avro: detect btemp on rez would be the good place for this
[15:54] Sigma Avro: -temp on rez
[15:54] Oskar Linden: oh and for those that don't want the server version messages on every region crossing I have been told to tell you to use vwr 2
[15:54] Maestro Linden: yep, I could definitely see uses for modifying rez rate limits in a region
[15:54] Rickk Turbo: deny objects rezzing capabilties
[15:55] Flynn Tigerpaw: I tried on v2, I still get a message
[15:55] Oskar Linden: hmm
[15:55] XLR8RRICK Hudson: ok but you have to drive a Uggo
[15:55] Gooden Uggla: don't allow avatars with X (set variable) script time to enter the region
[15:55] Techwolf Lupindo: rez limit are different for different sims. Combat want ti super high while meeting places want it very low.
[15:56] Rex Cronon: just a sec. allow them to enter but don't allow over n scripts to run for each avatar. that is better IMO:)
[15:56] Gooden Uggla: yup tech, the ability to drop the gray goo fence threshold
[15:56] Rickk Turbo: gray goo?
[15:56] Rickk Turbo: lol
[15:57] Oskar Linden: long story
[15:57] Sigma Avro: scripting physics of the sim would be conceivable ?
[15:57] Oskar Linden: so in the last three minutes...
[15:57] Oskar Linden: who asked "Is the password change Aditi account update working? I've been waiting 6 days for an update to get my passwords in sync. " ?
[15:58] Flynn Tigerpaw: me!
[15:58] Gooden Uggla: i'm all for a "silent fail" approach to overscripted avatars, but the idea was kinda given the cold shoulder by the lab
[15:58] Oskar Linden: leave your name next time :-D
[15:58] Rickk Turbo: it update for me last week but not my money
[15:58] Flynn Tigerpaw: OK didn't think of that
[15:58] Rickk Turbo: :(
[15:58] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Hahaha
[15:58] Oskar Linden: it won't update money
[15:59] Oskar Linden: but money isn't so important here
[15:59] Flynn Tigerpaw: I updated, changed my password back.. no update
[15:59] Oskar Linden: I set everyones money to 5000 every month or so
[15:59] Rickk Turbo: indeed but i had 20k added to my other account
[15:59] Rickk Turbo: but not this one
[15:59] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Flynn you have to leave it changed
[15:59] Oskar Linden: did you leave your password changed over night?
[15:59] Sigma Avro: lol, I do not spend 1 linden here, if anyone needs some...
[15:59] Flynn Tigerpaw: yes, for 6 days. my passwords are different
[16:00] Oskar Linden: ok
[16:00] Oskar Linden: I'll ask around
[16:00] Lares Carter: any new info about llCastRay() ?
[16:00] Oskar Linden: no new info
[16:00] Oskar Linden: but it would be on a back burner
[16:00] Oskar Linden: if we have one
[16:00] Gooden Uggla: mono update?
[16:00] Lares Carter: kay, thx
[16:01] Oskar Linden: it's on a project backlog
[16:01] Oskar Linden: I think fixing group chat is higher

Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2010-09-23

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