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This meeting was held on February 17th, 2011

Agenda

Updates

Main Channel
- Display Names fixes from LeTigre.
  - lots of fixes.
  - how's it look?
- http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/release/blog/2011/02/14/deploys-for-the-week-of-2011-02-14
Magnum
- Maint Server + encroachment bug fixes + Interest List + Display Names code.
- Scheduled for promotion next week.
  - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/Magnum
  - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_Magnum/11
LeTigre
- Kelly's mono2-aware branch
- This branch paves the way for upgrading the Mono virtual machine that runs scripts in Second Life. This branch ensures that scripts continue to work as we upgrade.
  - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/LeTigre
  - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_LeTigre/11
Blue Steel
- Content Management projct.
- Updates to the updates to the IP management tools
- Fixed crash modes.
  - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Beta/BlueSteel
  - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/11

Upcoming Stuff

Lithium blog software upgrade
- http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2011/02/16/a-new-community-platform-coming-march-2nd
- Interim status pages.
  - https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Release_Status_Whiteboard
XMPP
- No details yet
Log's download queue work
- Finding the laggiest download queue sims and testing with them.
- Might need a pile-on

Interesting Stuff

Interviews with our new CEO

Any Other Items

Status of SVC-6766 Since Feb 8th Server Rollout to main simulator isn't reliably sending inventory item UUID for attachments (also fixing the attach event on tp or at other times)

Status of SVC-5959 Notices not showing sender in email

Transcript

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for February 17th, 2011:

[15:01] Marigold Devin: Shhh stop talking about him, he's here
[15:01] Marigold Devin: Ohgod my chair spoke !
[15:01] Oskar Linden: hi MGD
[15:01] Oskar Linden: and crew
[15:01] Gooden Uggla: hiya oskar
[15:01] RedMokum Bravin: Ah.... Oskar is here. Good!
[15:01] Marigold Devin: Hiya
[15:01] Latif Khalifa: hello
[15:01] Master StarshipMaster: Starship smiels
[15:01] Oskar Linden: it's good to see you all
[15:01] Draconis Neurocam: hey oskar
[15:01] Oskar Linden: i'm always so excited to see how many people show up
[15:01] RedMokum Bravin: I hope nobody depends on the Office Hour Hud cause it was way off today.
[15:02] Oskar Linden: :-)
[15:02] TankMaster Finesmith: hiya oskar
[15:02] Lares Carter: heya Oskar
[15:02] Marigold Devin: Awww Oskar so easily pleased
[15:02] Coyot Linden: *cough*
[15:02] Coyot Linden: :)
[15:02] Oskar Linden: I am easily pleased
[15:02] Oskar Linden: happy oskar
[15:02] Psi Merlin: Hi Oskar, Log, Coyot and beta fans
[15:02] Gooden Uggla: red that HUD needs a major re-schedule
[15:03] RedMokum Bravin: Sure. If you say so. :-p
[15:03] Oskar Linden: and I have a circuit bending class tonight that I am excited about
[15:03] Coyot Linden: hi Psi
[15:03] Gooden Uggla: oohhh that sounds fun
[15:03] TankMaster Finesmith: howdy maestro, long time no see :P
[15:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Coyot Linden has arrived
[15:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Oskar Linden has arrived
[15:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Log Linden has arrived
[15:03] Oskar Linden: yeah I bought a little electronic piano for $2 and I'm gonna go solder on some stuff to tweak the sounds
[15:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Maestro Linden has arrived
[15:03] Gooden Uggla: hiya maestro
[15:04] Marigold Devin: sweet
[15:04] Oskar Linden: oh we have a linden greeter now huh?
[15:04] Lares Carter: hi Maestro :)
[15:04] Maestro Linden: hey guys
[15:04] Marigold Devin: solder
[15:04] Flip Idlemind: Fancy Linden Greeter*
[15:04] Psi Merlin: Hey Maestro
[15:04] Oskar Linden: alright. let's get this show on the road
[15:04] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
[15:04] Gooden Uggla: lol now they can't sneak up on us
[15:04] Oskar Linden: today the lab is having a hack-a-thon
[15:05] Draconis Neurocam: i hope it goes well
[15:05] Oskar Linden: lots of devs and qa are hammering on some new vwr build and automation stuff
[15:05] Marigold Devin: ohgod I'm wearing loads of scripts
[15:05] Oskar Linden: everyday is hack-a-thon for me
[15:05] Oskar Linden: so I made it a dev-a-thon and pretended I was simon or monty and started touching server code
[15:05] RedMokum Bravin: Hey, Oz tried to make it sound special!
[15:05] Latif Khalifa: lol
[15:06] Latif Khalifa: touching code is not for the uninitiated
[15:06] Oskar Linden: :-)
[15:06] RedMokum Bravin: Did the code survive?
[15:06] Oskar Linden: ok ok latif
[15:06] Jonathan Yap: Are we getting svc-1167 from you Oskar?
[15:06] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1167:
[#SVC-1167] Script function: to return objects
[15:06] Master Starship: well as long as you only make it better
[15:06] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden sets group limits back to 42 from 100
[15:06] Master Starship: or change a varable from 40 to 42
[15:06] Oskar Linden: let's talk about releases this week
[15:07] Latif Khalifa: having more groups would've been fun... in 2008 :P
[15:07] Ima Mechanique: providing you don't touch it in inappropriate ways and never ask the code to keep it a secret
[15:07] Oskar Linden: the long awaited Display Name changes made it live on Tuesday
[15:07] TankMaster Finesmith: what changed?
[15:07] Oskar Linden: there were quite a few fixes and changes in there
[15:07] RedMokum Bravin: Not seen ??? lately.
[15:07] Oskar Linden: oh my link broke...
[15:07] Oskar Linden: hmm
[15:08] Oskar Linden: [1]
[15:08] Oskar Linden: * Modify simulator top scripts report to include agent IDs instead of usernames.
* Messages sent to estate by user with last name resident are seen as forged by simulator
* llGetDisplayName failed intermittently
* Offline group invite email contains Username only and contains Resident last name in body of message
* llGetDisplayName returns nothing if the resident has not chosen a new name (shouldn't it return at least the legacy name, like the viewer is showing for their name?)
* Last name resident shown in title of IM Conference Window with no Display name
* metadata embedded in postcards: shows username="Firstname Lastname" instead of "firstname.lastname"
* Confirm LSL functions tooltips have current valid descriptions
[15:08] Oskar Linden: not sure if anyone has gotten the chance to notice if the DN code is working any better but it should be
[15:08] Oskar Linden: I've not seen any major complaints
[15:08] Oskar Linden: or if I did they were from a user using unpronounceable unicode
[15:09] RedMokum Bravin: :-p
[15:09] Latif Khalifa: i've turned it off, people abuse it making it difficult to read chat ;)
[15:09] Coyot LindenCoyot: Linden has discovered that the DN code will not let him set his DN to ???
[15:09] Oskar Linden: I know :-)
[15:09] Gooden Uggla: do bans work now?
[15:09] Oskar Linden: sure you can coyot. let me show you later ;-)
[15:10] Coyot Linden: k
[15:10] RedMokum Bravin: Oskar will teach you how to use upside-down question marks no doubt.
[15:10] TankMaster Finesmith: set it on the backend server side :P
[15:10] Oskar Linden: are you jumping topics gooden? :-)
[15:10] Oskar Linden: I do everything on the backend
[15:10] Gooden Uggla: oops, my bad
[15:10] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
[15:10] Oskar Linden: uhm
[15:10] Oskar Linden: yeah
[15:10] Oskar Linden: ok
[15:10] Latif Khalifa: can you set display name to '; drop table users;
[15:10] Oskar Linden: heh
[15:10] Oskar Linden: little bobby drop tables
[15:11] Opensource Obscure: ^^
[15:11] TankMaster Finesmith: >,<
[15:11] Oskar Linden: what would the internet be without obscure memes
[15:11] Master Starship: error table users not found
[15:11] Oskar Linden: it's like one big inside joek
[15:11] TankMaster Finesmith: useing > will cause you to termonate yout XMPP session in group chat...
[15:11] Latif Khalifa: [2]
[15:12] Oskar Linden: I remember when I came back from a long motorcycle ride through australia where I had limited internet access for half a year and I didn't get any jokes
[15:12] Latif Khalifa: lol
[15:12] Oskar Linden: my friends were like talking in code I didn't know
[15:12] Oskar Linden: it moves that fast
[15:12] Oskar Linden: anyways
[15:12] Oskar Linden: maint-server got merged witht he DN code
[15:13] Oskar Linden: deployed to magnum and will get promoted next week
[15:13] Oskar Linden: it's been a very patient little branch
[15:13] Coyot Linden: promoted if all goes well
[15:13] Latif Khalifa: whom do we bribe to get step 1 and 2 of mono upgrade fast throgh?
[15:13] Latif Khalifa: maestro?
[15:13] Oskar Linden: speaking of coyot we should convene in email Monday night to see if we should do the roll Tuesday morning since Monday is a holiday
[15:14] Coyot Linden: Governor Lindeon
[15:14] Oskar Linden: kelly
[15:14] Oskar Linden: all moneys go to kelly
[15:14] Jonathan Yap: LL holiday on MOnday?
[15:14] Maestro Linden: actually step 1 is already in RC :)
[15:14] Oskar Linden: yes
[15:14] Oskar Linden: speaking of step 1
[15:14] Latif Khalifa: kelly says his work is done, it's up to qa now hof fast it gets tehre
[15:14] Coyot Linden: oskar - Lil and I to convo on that Friday night
[15:14] Oskar Linden: LeTigre has mono2-aware
[15:15] Oskar Linden: maestro can you give a rundown on mono2-aware?
[15:15] Maestro Linden: sure,
[15:15] Carbon Rod,: X-Flight: All Go
[15:15] Maestro Linden: so mono2-aware only has minor performance improvements compared to previous server versions
[15:15] Latif Khalifa: "don't crash when you see serialization of the real mono2 update"
[15:15] Maestro Linden: but we have a 2nd branch, Mono2Performance, which dose have a lot of performance optimizations
[15:16] Gooden Uggla: after 2+ years it's finally happening :)
[15:16] Maestro Linden: mono2performance scripts will crash if they're rezzed in older servers
[15:16] Maestro Linden: but mono2aware can deal wtih mono2performance scripts
[15:16] Latif Khalifa: yeah mono2-aware is only crash proofing existing engine for the real update
[15:17] Maestro Linden: so once mono2aware is out on all channels, we'll be able to try out mono2performance on certain channels
[15:17] Oskar Linden: see! we made a plan
[15:17] Oskar Linden: and thought ahead
[15:17] Oskar Linden: aren't you proud?
[15:17] Draconis Neurocam: very
[15:17] Latif Khalifa: it's an exception that proves the rule :P
[15:17] Gooden Uggla: you have no idea
[15:17] Homeless: we're: proud!!
[15:17] Jonathan Yap: Does that mean there will be another checkbox for LSL compiling types?
[15:17] Draconis Neurocam: mono upgrades, msvc 2010 upgrades, xmpp, its crazy, things are actually getting done
[15:18] Oskar Linden: so you'll hear more here abot when the next mono2 phase is ready
[15:18] Maestro Linden: Jonathan: nope, it's still just LSL or Mono
[15:18] Oskar Linden: things are moving so fast it's hard to keep track of it all
[15:18] Master Starship: much better than the last one
[15:18] Oskar Linden: even in the last 6 months
[15:18] Jonathan Yap: So new compiles will be into Mono2
[15:18] TankMaster Finesmith:
[15:18] Oskar Linden: the idea that we basically ship 4 new versions of server code weekly kinda boggle the mind
[15:18] Latif Khalifa: kcp ftw
[15:19] Master Starship: and in parrall not seral
[15:19] Gooden Uggla: has someone chained Kelly to his desk yet?
[15:19] Oskar Linden: moving on, BlueSteel got some improvements to the IP management tools that had been crashing sims
[15:19] Oskar Linden: they seem to be less crashy
[15:19] Oskar Linden: probably let that sit for a couple more weeks
[15:19] TankMaster Finesmith: less crashy is a good thing
[15:19] Latif Khalifa: did you add "undo" button for when governene damages half of the grid by mitake?
[15:20] Latif Khalifa: governence
[15:20] Oskar Linden: I wish
[15:20] Oskar Linden: a big old CONTROL-Z in our tools panel
[15:20] Master Starship: why did they not jsut change the asset instead of removing it
[15:20] Latif Khalifa: would be useful
[15:20] Coyot Linden: assets are immutable
[15:20] Oskar Linden: I don't know
[15:21] Oskar Linden: it wasn't an intentional error
[15:21] Oskar Linden: if that makes you feel better
[15:21] Master Starship: then how dothey change them for IP items
[15:21] Jonathan Yap: Is any error intentional? :)
[15:21] Oskar Linden: the details on the IP management tools are a big secret
[15:21] Gooden Uggla: they substitute a placeholder item for the object, the UUID is immutable
[15:22] Oskar Linden: I didn't have any firstborns to offer so they won't tell me
[15:22] Coyot Linden: The TCP management, not so much
[15:22] Oskar Linden: some people believe that all our errors are intentional and part of some devious master plabn
[15:22] Draconis Neurocam: the amount of uuids in sl has to be a better test for the standard than anyone ever thought of before
[15:22] Oskar Linden: I only wish that were true
[15:23] Oskar Linden: then there are others who will say that I can't talk about the master plan and this is just a diversion
[15:23] Homeless: isn't: the plan to take over the world?
[15:23] Oskar Linden: it gets deeper
[15:23] Gooden Uggla: we don't believe that oskar, we believe the top floor just smokes too much weed
[15:23] Latif Khalifa: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity" <- Heinlein's Razor
[15:23] Coyot Linden: Bob would love you for that.
[15:24] Oskar Linden: :-)
[15:24] Homeless: and: turn everyone into bots?
[15:24] Oskar Linden: we have open office floorplans so whatever anyone is smoking the rest get it too
[15:24] Coyot Linden: No, that's more Asimov than Heinlein
[15:24] Gooden Uggla: wow, someone referred to bob the prim?
[15:24] Coyot Linden: No, Bob Heinlein
[15:24] Marigold DevinMarigold: Devin mutters conspiracy theories, weed, bots grrr
[15:24] Gooden Uggla: coyot is going to get huge love in comic form
[15:25] Oskar Linden: Coyot is on nicknames basis with Mr Heinlein
[15:25] Gooden Uggla: or not...
[15:25] Oskar Linden: I call him Robby H
[15:25] Latif Khalifa: lol
[15:25] Oskar Linden: speaking of AWG conspiracy theories we are upgrading our blogs/forums
[15:25] Oskar Linden: to a Lithuium offering
[15:26] Oskar Linden: info here: [3]
[15:26] Oskar Linden: there will be some downtime
[15:26] Draconis Neurocam: anything has to be better than jive
[15:26] Marigold Devin: Ohgod people are going to die without theh forums for 10 whole days !!!! have you read the reactions there already?
[15:26] Gooden Uggla: not that it's admitting the lab made a mistake or anything...
[15:26] Oskar Linden: the good news is that it will make next weeks release very very quiet in the forums
[15:26] Homeless: Just: don't put Lithium in the water
[15:26] Gooden Uggla: lol that would solve the problem of having bitchy users
[15:26] Coyot Linden: You see, they aren't on weed - it's lithium
[15:27] Flip Idlemind: Yes people with die without the forums. Where else will people talk to eachother? o.O
[15:27] Latif Khalifa: It's not a AWG conspiracy theory, just constatation that LL has severe case of Facebook envy which is couterproductive to SL's success
[15:27] Oskar Linden: I toyed with a few ideas of a replacement
[15:27] Oskar Linden: I wanted a webcam pointing to my whiteboard
[15:27] Gooden Uggla: oh?
[15:27] Oskar Linden: where I would write updates
[15:27] Gooden Uggla: that's a good idea, could be fun
[15:27] Oskar Linden: you know what... I'm going to do that anyways
[15:27] Gooden Uggla: ~^.^~"Hey, This promises to Be Fun!"~^.^~
[15:27] Oskar Linden: I'll just upload pics
[15:27] Draconis Neurocam: time lapse
[15:28] Homeless: draw: plenty of cartoons
[15:28] Oskar Linden: I will
[15:28] Oskar Linden: this will be the link: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Release_Status_Whiteboard
[15:28] Draconis Neurocam: haha
[15:29] Oskar Linden: pass that link around when people want to know what is going on with server
[15:29] Oskar Linden: we've got some progress made on the XMPP front.
[15:30] Oskar Linden: we've got some project vwr code talking to our XMPP servers here on ADITI
[15:30] Oskar Linden: it's actually working
[15:30] Oskar Linden: more info on that when project vwrs are publicly available
[15:30] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden looks forward to new group chat bugs!
[15:30] TankMaster FinesmithTankMaster: Finesmith is on the xmpp vwr
[15:30] Oskar Linden: nice
[15:30] Latif Khalifa: we found many already
[15:30] Oskar Linden: :-)
[15:31] TankMaster Finesmith: yeah, i found one bug alreadu
[15:31] TankMaster Finesmith: > kills the chat session
[15:31] Oskar Linden: let's give tank and latif a round of applause for finding early bugs
[15:31] TankMaster Finesmith:
[15:31] TankMaster Finesmith: gez knows of it now
[15:31] Psi Merlin: Make a whiteboard here and put the link on it.
[15:31] Ima Mechanique: I only found out how to crash myself out of the viewer :-(
[15:31] Oskar Linden: now when it goes live if there are any issues with group chat poke them
[15:32] Latif Khalifa: only for the bugs we didn't find ;)
[15:32] Oskar Linden: when it comes to rollout we'll most likely have a time when new and old chat services are both available on the grid
[15:32] Latif Khalifa: but it smells very alpha, i wouldn't expect xmpp chat to go live any time soon
[15:32] Oskar Linden: so if you feel the need for laggy chat just fire up an old group chat
[15:32] TankMaster Finesmith: or use 1.23
[15:33] Latif Khalifa: xmpp chat is pretty laggy the way it's implemented
[15:33] Homeless: the: lag adds a certain anticipation
[15:33] Oskar Linden: good to know
[15:33] Oskar Linden: 1
[15:33] Oskar Linden: 2
[15:33] Oskar Linden: 6
[15:33] Oskar Linden: 5
[15:33] Latif Khalifa: 5-10s freeze when a new participant logs in
[15:33] TankMaster Finesmith: local doesnt use xmpp...
[15:34] Oskar Linden: log is still working on the download queue enhancements in the asset server code
[15:34] Oskar Linden: we had xan run some stats to figure out which regions had the longest download queues
[15:34] Zindonas Loxingly: is that delay an issue with xmpp or a network issue?
[15:34] Oskar Linden: then I contacted those sim owners and asked if they wanted to help by letting us use their sims on aditi with some new code
[15:34] Oskar Linden: they were very excited :-D
[15:35] TankMaster Finesmith:
[15:35] Oskar Linden: we might doa pileon in those regions in the coming weeks
[15:35] Jonathan Yap: loads of textures?
[15:35] Oskar Linden: 3 of the top 10 were mainland regions
[15:35] Oskar Linden: not textures
[15:35] Motor Loon: what would cause it then?
[15:35] Latif Khalifa: Zindonas, xmpp server calling a web service to check if you are allowed to join. It's done sync (everything freezes until web service responds). It needs to be rewriten in async mode.
[15:35] Oskar Linden: sounds is an example
[15:36] Log Linden: there's another bottleneck on textures
[15:36] Log Linden: that's for a future project
[15:36] Log Linden: this needed to happen first
[15:36] Draconis Neurocam: i wonder if thats related to the issue where viewer 2 sends mediadataclientrequests like mad, and if the stats will change when they fix it
[15:37] Oskar Linden: anything else new and upcoming maestro?
[15:37] Maestro Linden: we're working on those recent attachment bugs
[15:38] Oskar Linden: oh right
[15:38] Maestro Linden: SVC-6766 / SVC-6769
[15:38] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6766:
[#SVC-6766] Since Feb: 8th Server Rollout to main simulator isn't reliably sending inventory item UUID for attachments
[15:38] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6769:
[#SVC-6769] Taking off: part or all of a clothing/attachment set and then wearing another item often causes the the removed item(s) to reapear
[15:38] Oskar Linden: yeah I had those in any other business
[15:38] Maestro Linden: hm let's see
[15:38] Oskar Linden: nice long talk about those at andrews server usergroup
[15:38] Maestro Linden: next week, we're planning to have another new RC
[15:38] Bronson Blackadder: I seen this
[15:38] Flip Idlemind: Ferrari?
[15:38] Maestro Linden: to address cumulative lag that pops up on some regions which is related to derezzing objects
[15:39] Oskar Linden: I wish. legal said I can't name an RC after Ferrari
[15:39] Maestro Linden: I mean, another new server build on one of the existing RC channels :)
[15:39] Flip Idlemind: Ah okie dokie
[15:39] Homeless: you: could call it Homeless lol
[15:39] Flip Idlemind: Would have been cool. 5 server versions a week :O
[15:40] Oskar Linden: 5 server versions a week would be nuts
[15:40] Oskar Linden: Coyot? how about it?
[15:40] TankMaster Finesmith: ^
[15:40] Oskar Linden: you up for tracking 5 diff branches per week?
[15:40] Oskar Linden: you could handle it
[15:40] Draconis Neurocam: would form a pentagram and then all the conspiracy theorists would go nuts
[15:41] Oskar Linden: he's been doing server releases for like a whole week now
[15:41] Marigold DevinMarigold: Devin cues Aerosmith Livin on the Edge
[15:41] Oskar Linden: right now it's a pyramid
[15:41] Oskar Linden: traingular based pyramid?
[15:41] Maestro Linden: by the way Jonathan, you won't need to recompile Mono scripts in Mono2performance to make them run faster - they'll automatically run with the optimizations when they're rezzed
[15:41] Oskar Linden: isn't that intimidating?
[15:41] Jonathan Yap: sweet Maestro
[15:41] Oskar Linden: that is cool
[15:42] Bronson Blackadder: pyramids hmm yes Freemasons
[15:42] Bronson Blackadder: the all seeing Linden and all that
[15:42] Oskar Linden: with kelly's eye in the center
[15:42] arton Rotaru: so we have to rerez all scripted objects to benefit from the update?
[15:42] Coyot LindenCoyot: Linden is not committing to five RCs
[15:43] Maestro Linden: nope
[15:43] Gooden Uggla: the "all-scripted eye"
[15:43] Maestro Linden: just rez them when you want to run them, no preliminary rez required
[15:43] Oskar Linden: in my Interesting Stuff topic on the agenda I put some links to interviews with Rodvik Linden our new CEO
[15:43] arton Rotaru: yeah, but with objects rezzed like houses
[15:43] Oskar Linden: you guys might find those interesting
[15:43] Oskar Linden: I've not watched them all
[15:44] Lares Carter: i saw, thanks for the links, oskar
[15:44] Master Starship: will it deoptimize any of our scripts?
[15:45] Oskar Linden: I'm about done for topics. we can freeform the rest of this meeting
[15:45] Maestro Linden: I don't think so
[15:45] Oskar Linden: maestro will answer any and all personal questions
[15:45] Latif Khalifa: don't read nwn one. hamlet is a pihhead
[15:45] Draconis Neurocam: haha
[15:45] Latif Khalifa: he wants to turn sl into 2.5D "tap to move there!" farmville clone
[15:45] Homeless: I: have a visitor counter that is always running, would I have to reset it or re-rez it?
[15:46] Oskar Linden: good question
[15:46] Maestro Linden: no, you wouldn't have to re-rez it
[15:46] Bronson Blackadder: tap to move there looked like crap on Blue Mars
[15:46] arton Rotaru: ok, thats what I wanted to know
[15:46] Master Starship: also does it optimize time or mem usage?
[15:46] Homeless: just: leave it go and the update is automatic?
[15:46] Maestro Linden: it would be all ready when the sim starts up in mono2performance
[15:46] Jonathan Yap: It will get upgraded when the server is updated?
[15:47] Latif Khalifa: bronson, hamlet is just pissd off blue mars failed, now he wants sl to fail too
[15:47] Maestro Linden: hm, Kelly would be able to answer more detailed questions about the nature of the optimizations in mono2performance
[15:47] Bronson Blackadder: who's hamlet?
[15:47] Master Starship: best to email her?
[15:47] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Gez Tester has arrived
[15:47] Draconis Neurocam: i wonder how many copies of mvs 2010 they had to get for all the LL employees
[15:47] Coyot Linden: hamlet on rye, hold the mayo
[15:47] TankMaster FinesmithTankMaster: Finesmith waves to gez
[15:47] Maestro Linden: yes Jonathan, all inworld scripts will be updated then
[15:47] Homeless: To: be or not to be...
[15:48] Bronson Blackadder: but yes I tried out BM and freakin puked
[15:48] Jonathan Yap: get a little closer Gez so we all can hear you
[15:48] Bronson Blackadder: SL had no cpompetition there
[15:48] Bronson Blackadder: competition even
[15:48] Gez Tester: may log back in with my linden account in a sec here.
[15:48] Latif Khalifa: hamlet is ex linden, self proclaimed "journalist". recently been working for blue mars. basically a pen for hire
[15:49] Latif Khalifa: hey Gez
[15:49] Gez Tester: howdy latif
[15:49] RedMokum Bravin: How's the web portal doing in bringing in new residents?
[15:49] RedMokum Bravin: (I wouldn't know who really watches over that.)
[15:50] Flip Idlemind: So I've got something odd: Ya know that parallelogram-ish shape that mesh objects show up as if you're not on a mesh viewer?
[15:50] Latif Khalifa: the pyramid
[15:50] Latif Khalifa: orangle/yellow thing
[15:51] Latif Khalifa: ah
[15:51] Latif Khalifa: Flip, now I understand
[15:51] Latif Khalifa: yeah
[15:51] Motor Loon: what about it Flip?
[15:51] Flip Idlemind: Idk if it's a server thing or a Phoenix thing (I'm on Phoenix) but if I go to Ahern (the sim to the north) most of the prims change to look like that
[15:52] Bronson Blackadder: Freemasons I tell you
[15:52] Oskar Linden: ahern is not on mesh code
[15:52] Maestro Linden: the Ahern prims look normal to me from here
[15:52] Bronson Blackadder: it's freemasons
[15:52] Flip Idlemind: Including things attached to be, but it's only if I cross into Ahern
[15:52] Latif Khalifa: to meetoo
[15:52] Motor Loon: me too
[15:52] Flip Idlemind: attached to me*
[15:52] Gooden Uggla: display name ban bug fixed?
[15:53] Gooden Uggla: noticve to email bug fixed?
[15:53] Gooden Uggla: notice*
[15:54] Maestro Linden: SVC-5959 isn't fixed yet
[15:54] JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5959:
[#SVC-5959] Groups notices: sent to email do not identify sender
[15:54] Gooden Uggla: is it going to a channel anytime soon?
[15:54] Jonathan Yap: Is that a pretty simple fix?
[15:54] Motor Loon: oh yeah, thats an annoying one
[15:54] Latif Khalifa: if it gets past 2 server releases it fails "was this broken in our last release" test, and never gets fixed after that ;)
[15:55] Maestro Linden: there's a fix for the bug, Gooden
[15:55] Gooden Uggla: excellent
[15:55] Gooden Uggla: any plans to implement the fix?
[15:55] Latif Khalifa: like inventory accepted notification
[15:55] Motor LoonMotor: Loon grins
[15:55] Oskar Linden: that's a sad reality sometimes latif
[15:55] Maestro Linden: it'll probably come to an RC channel in a few weeks, as part of some maint-server type of update (many small bugfixes)
[15:55] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Gez Linden has arrived
[15:55] Gooden Uggla: o9k, coolyou'll make a lot of fans that day
[15:56] Motor Loon: oh the space pirate monkey is back
[15:56] Homeless: space: pirate monkey?
[15:56] Gez Linden: yep, lost my connection ;)
[15:57] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
[15:57] Motor Loon: better than your head ;-)
[15:57] Gooden Uggla: ao on
[15:57] Oskar Linden: ok guys I got this page setup with a real whiteboard pic:-p https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Release_Status_Whiteboard
[15:57] Latif Khalifa: probably typed >.< in xmpp viewer lol
[15:57] Coyot Linden: He's a space monkey, bet you weren't ready for that, yeah, yeah
[15:57] Motor Loon: ooh
[15:57] Motor Loon: pretty drawings
[15:57] Motor Loon: you're so talented Oskar
[15:57] Latif Khalifa: lol oskar
[15:57] Draconis Neurocam: tangent is going to love that oskar
[15:57] Gooden Uggla: good drawing ability oskar
[15:58] Motor Loon: Looks just like the real thing
[15:58] Gez LindenGez: Linden wants a sweet status whiteboard like that.
[15:58] Oskar Linden: I <3 tangent
[15:58] Oskar Linden: he does such a good job
[15:58] Oskar Linden: my coworkers put that on my birthday cake
[15:58] TankMaster Finesmith: yes he does
[15:58] Draconis Neurocam: nice
[15:58] Gooden Uggla: lol awesome
[15:58] Motor Loon: ;-)
[15:58] Oskar Linden: the shop NEVER does custom cakes
[15:58] Oskar Linden: but they saw that design and were like oh ok
[15:58] Latif Khalifa: hehe
[15:59] Marigold Devin: sweet
[15:59] Master Starship: mastero I may have a repo on that bg
[15:59] Oskar Linden: 1 minute left
[15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: any last minut things to say, gez?
[15:59] Maestro Linden: the attachment one?
[15:59] Master Starship: of items showing up when whey should not
[15:59] Master Starship: yep
[15:59] Maestro Linden: oh yeah? is it pretty reliable?
[16:00] Master Starship: not sure they jsut logged into here and hadthe problem ofskirt allways attaching to them
[16:00] Bronson Blackadder: I seen it too
[16:00] Gez Linden: I'm working on getting up a project for the xmpp viewer in the next day or so. hackathon is taking precedence currently, but we'll get something up there for you.
[16:00] Maestro Linden: I found that I can trigger the "can't attach item twice" error message when I wear a bunch of attachmetns and login wtih my viewer bandwidth set to 100kbps
[16:00] Master Starship: having them relog
[16:00] Maestro Linden: but that didnt' actually show my attachments detached in inventory..
[16:01] Flip Idlemind: Would anyone care to take a quick flight into Ahern to see if any prims start looking strange
[16:01] Motor Loon: I'll do that Flip
[16:01] Maestro Linden: melvin: yep, that's the main issue I'm seeing with attachments (and it appears that nearby avatars do see them as well)
[16:01] Homeless: ok:
[16:01] Oskar Linden: thanks for showing up everyone
[16:02] Oskar Linden: I'll get the transcript up soon
[16:02] Marigold Devin: super
[16:02] Master Starship: I more offten do not see them when they should be here
[16:02] Gooden Uggla: thanks for the links
[16:02] TankMaster Finesmith: thz for having this and keepng up more up to date
[16:02] Motor Loon: yeah, saw a bit there looking wierd
[16:02] Latif Khalifa: thanks and take care
[16:02] Oskar Linden: I appreciate you all coming
[16:02] Oskar Linden: and thanks for those who came to kiss me on Monday
[16:02] Oskar Linden: and thanks for the guys here who did not
[16:02] Gooden Uggla: the beta guys have built-in awesomeness
[16:03] Marigold Devin: haha
[16:03] Marigold Devin: hahaha
[16:03] Marigold Devin: I haven't washed my lips since
[16:03] Latif Khalifa: what was on Monday?
[16:03] Gooden Uggla: but not quite THAT awesome
[16:03] Log Linden: later everyone!
[16:03] Oskar Linden: one girl blogged about it, then I found the blog and commented and I think she about died
[16:03] Maestro Linden: alright guys, thanks for coming!
[16:03] Oskar Linden: the Kiss-A-Linden events
[16:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Gez Linden has arrived
[16:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Oskar Linden has arrived
[16:03] Fancy Linden: Greeter: Log Linden has arrived
[16:03] Homeless: prims: looked ok to me
[16:03] Oskar Linden: oh wait gez is here?
[16:03] Latif Khalifa: ah
[16:03] Gez Linden: yes
[16:03] Flip Idlemind: Results?
[16:03] Marigold Devin: Oskar doeshave his fun
[16:03] Oskar Linden: hey gez
[16:03] Gez Linden: s'up home slice?
[16:03] Gez Linden: ;)
[16:03] Latif Khalifa: lol
[16:04] Gez Linden: I heard you talking about xmpp via the grape vine
[16:04] Oskar Linden: I was
[16:04] Gez LindenGez: Linden bows.
[16:04] Oskar Linden: gave a quick status on project vwrs and rollout ideas
[16:04] Oskar Linden: what ahve you got for us
[16:04] Log LindenLog: Linden looks somewhat viney
[16:04] Oskar Linden: or for those lucky enough to still be here
[16:04] Coyot Linden: xmPP
[16:04] Gez Linden: atm, we've got a build that connects that we're running through QA. As I'm sure latif and tank mentioned, there are some fun bugs.
[16:05] Gez Linden: we're trying to post a JIRA project in the next day or two
[16:05] Gez Linden: we'll be pushing to have new builds each week to play with
[16:05] Gez Linden: and you're welcome to build what is in public today
[16:05] Oskar Linden: links?
[16:05] Latif Khalifa: Gez is getting more QA feedback than he wants :P
[16:05] Jonathan Yap: [4]
[16:06] Gez Linden: <3 to jonathan
[16:06] Flip Idlemind: Yeah it may just be a Phoenix thing but after my trip to Ahern, a lot of prims on my screen look a but "meshy"
[16:06] Gez Linden: and not at all latif.
[16:06] Gez Linden: loving the QA feedback
[16:06] Latif Khalifa: hhahaha
[16:06] Gez Linden: this is great
[16:06] Gez Linden: with the exception that when I type something like >< in the xmpp viewer, I crash
[16:06] Gez Linden: ;)
[16:06] Latif Khalifa: ;)
[16:06] Gez Linden: I'll be spinning up our usergroup next week, after we post the project viewer.
[16:06] Latif Khalifa: or right click on participant name in the list
[16:07] TankMaster Finesmith: flip, sounds like your experencing a known greefer bug explot. the default shape gets messed up . the explot has been foxed in v2 though
[16:07] Gez Linden: very much in alpha, so we're looking for lots of feedback
[16:07] Gez Linden: other than that... think you covered the juicy bits oskar
[16:07] Oskar LindenOskar: Linden imagines code becoming more opaque the less alpha there is :-p
[16:07] TankMaster Finesmith: so gez, youll have your own user group for a while?
[16:07] Flip Idlemind: In that case someone's griefing Ahern
[16:07] Gez Linden: aye, but we'll be attending this one, the open source one, and our own
[16:07] TankMaster Finesmith: sounds good
[16:08] TankMaster Finesmith: when will yours be?
[16:08] Gez Linden: and any others that ya'll think I need to be listening in on.
[16:08] Gez Linden: not scheduled yet tank. my schedule is somewhat nasty
[16:08] TankMaster Finesmith: k
[16:08] Gez Linden: but probably on thursday mornings.
[16:08] TankMaster Finesmith: ok
[16:09] Gez Linden: will let ya know
[16:09] TankMaster Finesmith: great
[16:09] Coyot Linden: gotta bounce, see you all next week
[16:09] Oskar Linden: thanks for stopping by gez
[16:09] Gez Linden: surely
[16:09] TankMaster Finesmith: tc cyote
[16:09] Gez Linden: thanks for letting folks know about xmpp :)
[16:09] Coyot Linden: Surely Linden?
[16:09] Maestro Linden: bye guys
[16:09] Gez Linden: stop calling me shirley coyot
[16:09] Coyot Linden: BINGO!
[16:09] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
[16:09] Lares Carter: thanks for the time, lindens
[16:10] Coyot Linden: yw
[16:10] Gez Linden: ditto :)
[16:10] Draconis Neurocam: good luck with the hackathon and thanks
[16:10] Gooden Uggla: good meeting, thanks
[16:10] RedMokum Bravin: ciao
[16:10] Marigold Devin: Yes very informative
[16:10] Latif Khalifa: take care you all
[16:10] Oskar Linden: ok back to the hack-a-thon!!

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