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This meeting was held on August 23, 2012

Agenda

Updates

  • BlueSteel RC Channel
  • This is an maint-server project again.
  • Bug Fixes
    • VWR-5044: Attachments only change/inherit the active group when they're "rezzed
    • VWR-25762: group owned objects appear as owned by (nobody) in Top Scripts and Top Colliders
    • VWR-20320: Show in search and set for sale remain enabled after owner changed
    • SVC-7760: Large object instant messages can corrupt returned object location URL making it impossible to determine the object's location.
    • STORM-1840: Searching legacy names in the "Choose Resident" floater with a period returns no result
    • SVC-7525: Selected objects move when a new keyframe motion is started
    • SVC-7793: Scripted agents can't abandon land on private estates
    • SVC-7917: Please automatically unmute avatars who have muted themselves, and prevent this from occuring server-side.
    • SVC-7968: When TPing using a landmark the server sends two TeleportStart packets
    • SCR-247: Scripts created by Residents who are limited to only the General maturity rating do not function as expected when inside an object that the scripter created that is running in a Moderate or Adult region
    • SCR-318: llInsertString & llSubStringIndex support for 4 bytes characters broken since 12.02.06.248938
    • SCR-359: The http_request() event fails to trigger in child prims that do not use llHTTPResponse() after it has received 64 HTTP requests and will not trigger again even if the script is reset.
    • SVC-8124: Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08)
    • SVC-8136: Attachment point pelvis not being released
    • https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Release_Notes/Second_Life_RC_BlueSteel/12#12.08.17.263666




Upcoming Stuff

Interesting Stuff

Transcript

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Server Beta User Group for August 23, 2012:

  • [14:58] SonicAnd Miles: sup everyone
  • [14:58] Kallista Destiny: Ave Oskar
  • [15:00] Oskar Linden: good day
  • [15:00] Oskar Linden: ladies and avs
  • [15:00] Oskar Linden: let's give people a few minutes
  • [15:00] Oskar Linden: also I am in a post prandial lethargy
  • [15:01] Conover's Flight-Helper 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and operational.
  • [15:02] Kallista Destiny: Ave Oskar, laguri te salutant.
  • [15:02] Kallista DestinyKallista Destiny snickers
  • [15:02] Oskar Linden: mmmmmmm snickers
  • [15:03] Nalates Urriah: I had to look that one up...
  • [15:03] Kallista Destiny: not Snickers, snickers
  • [15:03] Oskar Linden: frozen snickers
  • [15:03] Oskar Linden: mmmmm
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: we had a busy day at the lab today
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: it was demo day
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: we got to see what all the other teams are working on
  • [15:04] Theresa Tennyson: Wju dpm
  • [15:04] Kallista Destiny: Frozen Chocolate covered Bananas... om nom nom nom
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: and I got a new jacket!
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: :-o
  • [15:04] Theresa Tennyson: Oh, I thought you were walking around with boxes over your heads.
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: with Linden Lab written on it
  • [15:05] Marigold Devin: Full Metal Jacket?
  • [15:05] Kallista Destiny: Ohhh cool
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: that is for after work
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: it's cool
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: and it's the right kind of fleece that it will attract EVERY hair that my white cat sheds
  • [15:05] Theresa Tennyson: Are you sure that's safe? You've already been recognized.
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: it will be a black jacket for not very long
  • [15:05] Kallista Destiny: So it's dark
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: :-)
  • [15:05] Marigold Devin: I can swap you for a friendly black cat if you want
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: is there any other color?
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: I have a black cat too
  • [15:06] Marigold Devin: aww
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: she sheds on my white clothes
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: I like me mah kitties
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: I try to teach them tricks
  • [15:06] Marigold Devin: I'm sure there are a queue of people waiting to defluff you with Sellotape
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: like fetch my slippers
  • [15:06] Kallista Destiny: Remember there are two kinds of dirt, light dirt which is attracted to dark objects and dark dirt which is attracted to light objects.
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: and get me a beer
  • [15:06] Theresa Tennyson: The operative word is "try"
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: but the only trick they have mastered is sit
  • [15:07] Marigold Devin: And stare?
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: and sleep
  • [15:07] Kallista Destiny: ...like hearding cats.
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: Kato and Gigi
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: Kato is crosseyed and adorable
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: Gigi is an old lady now
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: very prim and proper
  • [15:07] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin loves cats
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: Kato is a punk kid
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: but full of love
  • [15:08] Marigold Devin: But I guess you can't talk about cats for the whole of this UG
  • [15:08] Marigold Devin: (you can for me)
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: aaaaaaaaaaanyway
  • [15:08] Kallista Destiny: Does he poince at inopportune moments so you can say ."Not now, Kato you fool!"?
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: I will stop talking about cats
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: until I can find that pic
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: I had a great cat pic
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: now where is it
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: hmm
  • [15:09] Marigold Devin: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/418974_432776666764118_1287781039_n.jpg that one?
  • [15:10] Kallista Destiny: Ave Maestro, laguri te salutant.
  • [15:10] Theresa Tennyson: Hi Maestro!
  • [15:10] Oskar Linden: hmm
  • [15:10] Maestro Linden: Hi there
  • [15:10] Oskar Linden: my machine just kinda started lagging
  • [15:10] Oskar Linden: yes marigold!
  • [15:10] Marigold Devin: blame Maestro
  • [15:10] Kallista Destiny: See i told you.....
  • [15:10] Oskar Linden: that pic :-D
  • [15:10] Oskar Linden: I love that one
  • [15:10] Oskar Linden: HUMAN STAHP
  • [15:11] Oskar Linden: so great
  • [15:11] Oskar Linden: ok
  • [15:11] Oskar Linden: lemme find the agenda
  • [15:11] Oskar Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
  • [15:11] Kallista Destiny: The look of utter disgust.. poor kitteh.
  • [15:11] Oskar Linden: there we go
  • [15:11] Oskar Linden: that pic cracks me up
  • [15:11] Oskar Linden: I love it
  • [15:12] Oskar Linden: so how is everyone this week
  • [15:12] Marigold Devin: Gotta cold, so a bit snotty
  • [15:12] Kallista Destiny: meh
  • [15:13] SonicAnd Miles: good
  • [15:13] SonicAnd MilesSonicAnd Miles looks around
  • [15:14] Oskar Linden: a cold?
  • [15:14] Oskar Linden: that snot good
  • [15:14] Marigold Devin: Ha.Ha.Ha.
  • [15:14] Nalates Urriah: gross eck
  • [15:14] Marigold Devin: Or it might be a cat allergy
  • [15:14] Oskar Linden: sooo LeTigre with no real changes to simulator got promoted to main channel
  • [15:14] Oskar Linden: so if you noticed nothing then yay
  • [15:14] Oskar Linden: I'm wearing a suit today
  • [15:15] Oskar Linden: in case I sounded more proper
  • [15:15] Oskar Linden: *ahem*
  • [15:15] Oskar LindenOskar Linden sits taller
  • [15:15] Marigold Devin: Photo or we don't believe you ! ;P
  • [15:15] Oskar Linden: :-)
  • [15:15] Oskar Linden: black on black on black with a custom painted white tie featuring a stormtrooper
  • [15:15] Oskar Linden: and a dapper hat
  • [15:16] Oskar Linden: so but yeah
  • [15:16] Marigold Devin: I can picture it now
  • [15:16] Oskar Linden: BlueSteel and LeTigre
  • [15:16] Oskar Linden: they have the same changes as before
  • [15:16] Oskar Linden: with a fix for SVC-8124
  • [15:16] Oskar Linden: we actually put the SVC-8124 fix on all RC's
  • [15:17] Theresa Tennyson: It LOOKS like it works. Did you see my note in the forum on one of the Magnum sandboxes being non-Magnum?
  • [15:17] Nalates Urriah: Did the Lab see an overall spike in bandwidth used?
  • [15:18] Oskar Linden: yeah I haven't looked into it yet
  • [15:18] Maestro Linden: Yeah, Magnum sandbox 1 and 4 are running on the main channel right now
  • [15:18] Maestro Linden: I bugged support to move them back yesterday, but it looks like that didn't happen
  • [15:18] Maestro Linden: I'll bug them again
  • [15:19] Kallista Destiny: That way it will get promoted (most likley)
  • [15:19] Oskar Linden: I just bugged coyot
  • [15:19] Maestro Linden: Well, SVC-8146 is reported against the RCs (all of them)
  • [15:19] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8146] llRezAtRoot() does not set correct parameters (for sale) on rezzed object in Second Life RC BlueSteel 12.08.03.263047 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8146
  • [15:20] Maestro Linden: as are SVC-8177 and SVC-8178 (pretty much the same issue, I think)
  • [15:20] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8177] There is different behaivior between the RC channels and the main channel involving permissions, objects loose modify permissions https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8178
  • [15:20] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8178] Certain items change from no transfer to transfer after rezzing on an RC region https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8178
  • [15:20] Maestro Linden: but those last two only seem to be affecting certain objects with 'corrupt' permissions, which nobody seems to be able to recreate in new objects
  • [15:21] Kallista Destiny: I'm in touch with the group that makes the mention object... tyring to find if they can recreate it. with a new object.
  • [15:22] Oskar Linden: repros help
  • [15:22] Oskar Linden: especially when developers are like "dis aint brokd"
  • [15:22] Oskar Linden: and maestro and I are like "well look at this"
  • [15:22] Maestro Linden: Some devs are looking at the permissions issue to see how big it actually is. Kitto seems to consider SVC-8146 a blocker for promotion, but that ParcelOverlay fix might overrule it..
  • [15:22] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8146] llRezAtRoot() does not set correct parameters (for sale) on rezzed object in Second Life RC BlueSteel 12.08.03.263047 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8146
  • [15:23] Maestro Linden: We'll see :)
  • [15:23] Oskar Linden: hard decisions
  • [15:23] Kallista Destiny: well the object in question is clearly not working on all RC .. and is working on main
  • [15:23] Oskar Linden: we'll see in the AM
  • [15:23] Oskar Linden: *sigh*
  • [15:23] Theresa Tennyson: Is the SVC-8124 fix something you can separate out?
  • [15:23] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8124] Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08) https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8124
  • [15:24] Maestro Linden: Probably, but with our process it would still need to spend a week in RC
  • [15:24] Oskar Linden: we can do anything, but it all takes a week
  • [15:24] Oskar Linden: we put it into each RC because we really wanted the fix to go out
  • [15:24] Kallista Destiny: nods
  • [15:25] Oskar Linden: silly bugs
  • [15:25] Kallista Destiny: some people are getting hit in the pocketbook
  • [15:25] Marigold Devin: I can't wait to see what happens when some of them get their bills.
  • [15:26] Nalates Urriah: Did the Lab see a bandwidth use spike from 8124?
  • [15:26] Oskar Linden: not that I know of
  • [15:27] Nalates Urriah: I've been using NetWorx monitor and is consistently way be low what I see in the Viewer Stats... how accurate is the bandwidth meter in the viewer?
  • [15:27] Kallista Destiny: One person said their bill was $45.00 higher now exactly what dollar they're reporting ... my guess Oz.
  • [15:28] Oskar Linden: I have no idea how accurate the vwr bw monitor is
  • [15:28] Oskar Linden: or what it measures
  • [15:28] Marigold Devin: Anyway, if the fix has been included, there's nothing more to be done.
  • [15:29] Marigold Devin: Although I felt a warning of some kind should have been put on the log in screens, just in case not everyone is on fixed usage tarrif etc
  • [15:29] Nalates Urriah: NetWorx is showing 8k right now and my viewer is showing 24k... I suppose for 8124 it is all relative anyway
  • [15:29] Marigold Devin: I don;'t even understand that sentence
  • [15:30] Marigold Devin: Not many of us here today; it's more like group therapy. Should have brought yoga mats or something
  • [15:30] Oskar Linden: :-)
  • [15:30] Kallista Destiny: OMMMMMM
  • [15:30] Oskar LindenOskar Linden hands Marigold a kitten
  • [15:30] Nalates Urriah: Viewer stats show 24k bw and Networx monitor shows 8k of use...
  • [15:31] Oskar Linden: also SVC-8136 got fixed
  • [15:31] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8136] Attachment point pelvis not being released https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8136
  • [15:31] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin purrs and feels BP go down slowly but surely
  • [15:31] Theresa Tennyson: You mentioned only seeing 12% of the viewer figure in Networx - that would suggest the viewer is in kiloBITS and Networx is in kiloBYTES.
  • [15:31] Oskar Linden: in case your pelvic attachments were stuck
  • [15:31] Kallista Destiny: Bits of data VS Bytes including headers?
  • [15:31] Marigold DevinMarigold Devin looks down at my pelvic attachments - sh1t am I still wearing a strapon ^^^
  • [15:31] Kallista Destiny: *chuckles*
  • [15:31] Oskar Linden: :-)
  • [15:32] Theresa Tennyson: It seemed mostly to be AKK horses...
  • [15:32] Kallista Destiny: General region
  • [15:32] Oskar Linden: hmm
  • [15:32] Theresa TennysonTheresa Tennyson strokes Cappuccina's withers.
  • [15:32] Marigold Devin: Just wanna say to Theresa, your advice to the dude about his kittycats on the forums was marvellous. Made me go "awww" in RL.
  • [15:32] Marigold Devin: (or was it a dudess?)
  • [15:32] Theresa Tennyson: Thank you...
  • [15:33] Theresa Tennyson: I have one too. Or technically, my granddaughter (me on Agni) does.
  • [15:33] Marigold Devin: Crikey Oskar, is it someone's last day at Linden Lab? Or have you got a good hacker in at Ahern/Morris? (or is it just clever photoshopping)?
  • [15:33] Oskar Linden: what?
  • [15:34] Marigold Devin: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Abuse-and-Griefing/I-was-logged-out-and-given-a-bizarre-error-that-contained/qaq-p/1646769
  • [15:34] Marigold Devin: Sorry, it's so quiet here I popped out for a moment. Laughed at the photo he linked to though.
  • [15:35] Oskar Linden: weeeeeeeeeeeird
  • [15:36] Oskar Linden: I'll have someone look into it
  • [15:36] Kadah CobaKadah Coba is finally not afk
  • [15:36] Marigold Devin: Yeah weird. My alt has given him advice - but if you could - thanks.
  • [15:36] Oskar Linden: yay kadah
  • [15:37] Oskar Linden: magnum has some new fixes in it
  • [15:37] Oskar Linden: SVC-7641
  • [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7641] Object on land sending excessive messages https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7641
  • [15:37] Oskar Linden: SVC-8146
  • [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8146] llRezAtRoot() does not set correct parameters (for sale) on rezzed object in Second Life RC BlueSteel 12.08.03.263047 https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8146
  • [15:37] Oskar Linden: SVC-8124
  • [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8124] Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08) https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8124
  • [15:37] Oskar Linden: and SVC-8136
  • [15:37] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8136] Attachment point pelvis not being released https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8136
  • [15:37] Oskar Linden: some of the same fixes
  • [15:37] Oskar Linden: some new
  • [15:38] Lucia Nightfire: ...missed half teh meeting
  • [15:39] Oskar Linden: Lucia: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
  • [15:39] Oskar Linden: that's the agenda
  • [15:39] Oskar Linden: and we talked about cats
  • [15:39] Oskar Linden: and Margold had to take high bloos pressure medicine
  • [15:39] Oskar Linden: blood
  • [15:40] Lucia Nightfire: did I miss any more ranting on SVC-8124?
  • [15:40] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-8124] Excessive "ParcelOverlay reliable" messages sent by regions since last rolling restart (2012-08-08) https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-8124
  • [15:40] Oskar Linden: it is fixed in all RC's
  • [15:41] Oskar Linden: but you will still see it on main channel or on a region bordering a main channel
  • [15:41] Oskar Linden: besides the upcoming threaded region crossing stage 2 code I don't think we have much upcoming
  • [15:41] Marigold Devin: Passed you notecard so far Lucia, speed read if you can
  • [15:42] Lucia Nightfire: faster than I'd get waiting on a copy of the OH on the web, heh
  • [15:42] Lucia Nightfire: that'd be 2 weeks from now, lol
  • [15:43] Theresa Tennyson: What's the ETA on the Phase 2 region-crossing project?
  • [15:43] Marigold Devin: Oskar has to heavily edit it for all the obscenities (and cat conversations ) ;))
  • [15:43] Kadah Coba: *Looks at agenda* What was wrong with llAttachToAvatarTemp?
  • [15:43] Oskar Linden: stuff
  • [15:43] Oskar Linden: security issues iirc
  • [15:43] Kadah Coba: Ah
  • [15:43] Oskar Linden: or something
  • [15:43] Lucia Nightfire: llAttachToAvatarTemp() will fry v1 clients if you select the attachment, lol
  • [15:43] Kadah Coba: It would be nice if there was a way on the LL viewer to detach rigged temp attachments.
  • [15:43] Lucia Nightfire: and I'm not kidding
  • [15:44] Kadah Coba: I don't have that issue, Lucia.
  • [15:44] Marigold Devin: That's gonna be me fried then :((((((
  • [15:44] Marigold Devin: I am such a dinosaur, with a dinosaur computer
  • [15:44] Lucia Nightfire: http://jira.phoenixviewer.com/browse/PHOE-4222
  • [15:44] Lucia Nightfire: forgive the tpv jira ref
  • [15:44] Marigold Devin: But someone's gotta test with the old stuff until the last light goes out
  • [15:45] Theresa Tennyson: Ooo, the sun went down right after you said that...
  • [15:45] Kadah Coba: I'll try to repro that again, but I haven't been so far.
  • [15:45] Theresa Tennyson: Is there a rough timeframe on the new avatar-rendering server thingies?
  • [15:46] Marigold Devin: spooky - I am truly a witch
  • [15:46] Kadah Coba: I'd say 6 months.
  • [15:46] Oskar Linden: I can bring the sun back
  • [15:46] Oskar Linden: if you're good
  • [15:47] Marigold Devin: I'm good. I'm good.
  • [15:48] Oskar Linden: ok
  • [15:48] Oskar Linden: I have nothing else from the agenda
  • [15:48] Oskar LindenOskar Linden opens the floor
  • [15:48] Oskar LindenOskar Linden falls through
  • [15:48] Lucia Nightfire: I have to mention it again as I do in every OH until I can get a reply or acknowledge on the jira, but can a tech please look at WEB-4799?
  • [15:48] Flame of Jira: [#WEB-4799] MapAPI cap broken for "Region name from global coordinates" https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4799
  • [15:49] Lucia Nightfire: if its a new cap id then please post it on that jira or the wiki, thanks
  • [15:49] Marigold Devin: watch out for the sharks down there Oskar
  • [15:50] Oskar Linden: I know Lucia
  • [15:50] Oskar Linden: but yeah
  • [15:50] Kallista Destiny: Speculation in the firestorm dev about the exit message above It's in notifications.xml or strings.xml and "it probably was from a roommate or a pissed off ex"
  • [15:50] Oskar Linden: we don not as a company have a lot of resources for web projects at the moment
  • [15:50] Oskar Linden: so... it might be broken for a while
  • [15:51] Oskar Linden: I have brought it to the attention of those who would do something aboutit
  • [15:51] Lucia Nightfire: WEB-4916 is also a pain, heh
  • [15:51] Flame of Jira: [#WEB-4916] "Failed to load case #" https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-4916
  • [15:53] Oskar Linden: we are working towards hiring some more resources towards the web front
  • [15:53] Oskar Linden: we are pretty tightly drawn at the moment
  • [15:53] SonicAnd Miles: so... I heard Oskar is going to have pizza show up at or doors RL and hes paying for it too.
  • [15:53] Marigold Devin: Ohhh make mine a cheesecake rather than pizza
  • [15:53] SonicAnd Miles: our*
  • [15:53] SonicAnd Miles: XD
  • [15:55] Oskar Linden: pizzacake
  • [15:55] SonicAnd Miles: AHH!!!!
  • [15:55] SonicAnd Miles: lol
  • [15:55] Oskar Linden: with 5 minutes left anythings else?
  • [15:55] Marigold Devin: This hour has passed a lot faster than double maths used to do at school
  • [15:56] Oskar Linden: it has passed fast
  • [15:56] Marigold Devin: Hey Oskar, this kitty you passed me earlier is going bald, I stroked her so much
  • [15:56] Oskar Linden: I set the clock forward
  • [15:56] Oskar LindenOskar Linden gives Marigold another kitty
  • [15:56] Oskar Linden: extra hairy
  • [15:57] Marigold Devin: Awwwww, /me puts little plaits into it's long tummy hair
  • [15:57] Kallista DestinyKallista Destiny sneezes
  • [15:58] Oskar Linden: well thank you for coming everyone
  • [15:58] SonicAnd Miles: cya guys
  • [15:59] SonicAnd Miles: quiet meeting today lol
  • [15:59] fuse McGinnis: BYE ALL
  • [15:59] Marigold Devin: Thank you for the kitties and everything
  • [15:59] Oskar Linden: have a good weekend everyone
  • [15:59] Oskar LindenOskar Linden waves
  • [15:59] Marigold Devin: We'll try (not) to break everything
  • [16:00] Kallista Destiny: Good night Oskar and Maestro
  • [16:01] Oskar Linden: good evening!
  • [16:03] Maestro Linden: okay time for the pathfinding huddle
  • [16:03] Oskar Linden: l8r)
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