Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2014-03-20

[2014/03/20 15:01]  Duckie Dickins: I wonder if people are having issues...this place is usually packed on thursdays
[2014/03/20 15:01]  Lucia Nightfire: meh, people are busy and forget, heh
[2014/03/20 15:01]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Duckie.
[2014/03/20 15:01]  Duckie Dickins: Hi Yuzuru
[2014/03/20 15:02]  Lucia Nightfire: why I came early, cause I'd be in the middle of something while on agni and forget too
[2014/03/20 15:02]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Today is holiday in Japan.
[2014/03/20 15:02]  Duckie Dickins: well then happy holiday
[2014/03/20 15:03]  Caleb Linden: btw, maestro is out today so I'll try my best to maestro this meeting
[2014/03/20 15:03]  Caleb Linden: lets wait for a few more minutes
[2014/03/20 15:03]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Yay Caleb
[2014/03/20 15:04]  DG-X 3000 Mix Deck: Click on me to get dialog box
[2014/03/20 15:04]  DG-X 3000 Mix Deck: Type /1a to get adjust dialog box
[2014/03/20 15:04]  Inara Breen: You need the gold lame jacket, Caleb :)
[2014/03/20 15:04]  Caleb Linden: yeah
[2014/03/20 15:05]  Duckie Dickins: see...the jira bot didn't let us down
[2014/03/20 15:05]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Whirly.
[2014/03/20 15:05]  Inara Breen: Hey, Whirls!
[2014/03/20 15:05]  Caleb Linden: sup whirley!
[2014/03/20 15:05]  Duckie Dickins: err hi whirlz
[2014/03/20 15:05]  Whirly Fizzle: Hai!
[2014/03/20 15:06]  Caleb Linden: ok, let's get started.
[2014/03/20 15:07]  Caleb Linden: Here is the light agenda for today https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
[2014/03/20 15:07]  Rex Cronon: hello everybody
[2014/03/20 15:08]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Rex.
[2014/03/20 15:08]  Inara Breen: Hi, Rex, Theresa
[2014/03/20 15:08]  Caleb Linden: As you all know, we didn't have any rolls this week. Second Life Server stayed at 14.02.28.287383 and all RC are at 14.03.07.287758
[2014/03/20 15:08]  Theresa Tennyson: Hello!
[2014/03/20 15:08]  Rex Cronon: hi yuzuru
[2014/03/20 15:08]  Rex Cronon: hi inara
[2014/03/20 15:08]  Caleb Linden: So I just wanted to see if you ran into any new issues with those builds?
[2014/03/20 15:09]  Duckie Dickins: other than needing more cowbell? I haven't noticed anything as of yet.
[2014/03/20 15:09]  Lucia Nightfire: shiney cowbells
[2014/03/20 15:09]  Caleb Linden: yeah, the cowbell issue got a lot of votes
[2014/03/20 15:09]  Theresa Tennyson: Do we know anything more about the inventory corruption issues a few people had on the RC's?
[2014/03/20 15:11]  Caleb Linden: I haven't been following that issue. But I will check.
[2014/03/20 15:11]  Simon Linden: fwiw there's some back-end work going on right now for the beta grid so don't panic
[2014/03/20 15:12]  Caleb Linden: thank you simon.
[2014/03/20 15:13]  Simon Linden: ... that should be done now
[2014/03/20 15:16]  Caleb Linden: aside from whats out now, i think you would be interested to know that the login issue of agents with number display names will be out with next rc
[2014/03/20 15:16]  Whirly Fizzle: Oh cool
[2014/03/20 15:16]  Lucia Nightfire: is there a region running the fix for BUG-5281
[2014/03/20 15:16]  Whirly Fizzle: Will that fix the bad characters in a worn group title preventing login too?
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Caleb Linden: i'll put it on Ahern
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Caleb Linden: or Bonifacio
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Simon Linden: I think that's a different one, Whirly
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Rex Cronon: so now display names likes "noob9999999999" should be able to login without a problem;)
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Lucia Nightfire: whispers: can you make sure a no public script parcel is present in the region(s)
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Lucia Nightfire: can you make sure a no public script parcel is present in the region(s)
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Simon Linden: That would have been fine, Rex.
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Simon Linden: If they were just 99999999 they had problems
[2014/03/20 15:17]  Lucia Nightfire: and taht scripts are not disabled at the estate level
[2014/03/20 15:18]  Simon Linden: it was a subtle change in a low-level library that started treating those as numbers and not strings
[2014/03/20 15:19]  Simon Linden: I had one item on the meeting agenda which is some help testing group chat
[2014/03/20 15:19]  Lucia Nightfire: ears are perking there, heh
[2014/03/20 15:19]  Simon Linden: I'm going to send group invites to everyone nearby ... please join the two groups
[2014/03/20 15:20]  Second Life: You have been added to the group.
[2014/03/20 15:20]  Whirly Fizzle: oO are the group chat fixes live here?
[2014/03/20 15:20]  Second Life: You have been added to the group.
[2014/03/20 15:21]  Simon Linden: If group chat was ever going to be theoretically fixed we might have new code we'd want to test :P
[2014/03/20 15:21]  Lucia Nightfire: wheres my fancy title...
[2014/03/20 15:21]  Simon Linden: They're pretty boring, sorry
[2014/03/20 15:21]  Anntoni: lol
[2014/03/20 15:21]  Rex Cronon: i don't think there is enough people here to test grou chat:(
[2014/03/20 15:21]  Whirly Fizzle: Ebbe already let slip on twitter group chats being looked at btw :P
[2014/03/20 15:21]  Simon Linden: so don't start right away, but what I'd like to do is have about 5 minutes of testing by sending lots of messages in those two groups, combined with some moving between regions
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Simon Linden: The 4 corner area near here with Ahern and other regions might be a good spot to fly or walk around
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Lucia Nightfire: at least one of teh groups starts with an "f" in teh UUID
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Theresa Tennyson: Someone should report Ebbe to the CEO
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Simon Linden: or TP a bit .... any way works
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Whirly Fizzle: By lots, can we send really long messages really fast?
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Lucia Nightfire: or was f a good char?
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Anntoni: That'll be better
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Caleb Linden: lol (ebbe report to ceo)
[2014/03/20 15:22]  Lucia Nightfire: I forget which chars were the laggiest
[2014/03/20 15:23]  Simon Linden: long messages shouldn't make much of a difference - more messages is better than long ones
[2014/03/20 15:23]  Rex Cronon: too bad there is no lsl function to send messages to group chat:)
[2014/03/20 15:24]  Lucia Nightfire: oh yeah, the griffs are crying a river
[2014/03/20 15:24]  Simon Linden: I'm not seeing many people in those groups ... did you get invitations?
[2014/03/20 15:24]  Rex Cronon: come on. its a very useful testing tool:)
[2014/03/20 15:24]  Theresa Tennyson: I got them.
[2014/03/20 15:24]  Lucia Nightfire: reresh?
[2014/03/20 15:24]  Lucia Nightfire: *f
[2014/03/20 15:24]  Inara Breen: Yup... and accepted...
[2014/03/20 15:25]  Theresa Tennyson: It would be a tool to test my patience. And I'd FAIIL.
[2014/03/20 15:25]  Rex Cronon: too few of us here
[2014/03/20 15:25]  note Genesis: i ve got an invitation in one group and accepted it . Do we need two groups ?
[2014/03/20 15:25]  Simon Linden: I discovered there seems to be some bugs about getting you into chat right after joining
[2014/03/20 15:26]  Lucia Nightfire: gett the OP or the otehrs?
[2014/03/20 15:26]  Simon Linden: Two is better than one since the full system has to process many groups
[2014/03/20 15:26]  Whirly Fizzle: Yep. You have to open the chat yourself (or relog). Chat won't open for you if you joined that session
[2014/03/20 15:26]  Rex Cronon: i think somebody has to type something into group chat so other members can join?
[2014/03/20 15:26]  Caleb Linden: should we start?
[2014/03/20 15:26]  Simon Linden: right - open up the gruop yourself if you're not seeing messages yet
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Simon Linden: ok ... ready?
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Rex Cronon: ok. what were the group names?
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Simon Linden: Group Chat Chat
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Simon Linden: Group Chat Test
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Rex Cronon: ok
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Simon Linden: I'll re-send invitations
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Rex Cronon: sorry. i have few groups
[2014/03/20 15:27]  note Genesis: Give me "Group Chat Test"
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Rex Cronon: and i didn't realize which ones were the new ones. lol
[2014/03/20 15:27]  Whirly Fizzle: Should we just spam the chats now?
[2014/03/20 15:28]  note Genesis: ty
[2014/03/20 15:28]  Simon Linden: one sec ... if you just joined, please double-click on the group yourself otherwise you're not in the group chat session
[2014/03/20 15:28]  Nal (nalates.urriah): I can't open Chat CHat...
[2014/03/20 15:28]  Simon Linden: (that would be a good bug to fix)
[2014/03/20 15:29]  Nal (nalates.urriah): yeah...
[2014/03/20 15:29]  Rex Cronon: maybe we should shorter sentences to spam. lols
[2014/03/20 15:29]  Simon Linden: if you're stuck, relogging might help
[2014/03/20 15:29]  Simon Linden: ok - go wild, and in 5 minutes I'm going to throw a switch and get a 2nd part going
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: shouts: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: shouts: v
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: shouts: v
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: shouts: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: shouts: v
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: shouts: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: v
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:30]  Caleb Linden: ride like the wind
[2014/03/20 15:39]  Whirly Fizzle: lol
[2014/03/20 15:39]  Rex Cronon: do u want more testers?
[2014/03/20 15:39]  Simon Linden: you can stop now, thanks!
[2014/03/20 15:40]  Simon Linden: No, you can stop now :)
[2014/03/20 15:40]  Whirly Fizzle: Did anything smoke?
[2014/03/20 15:40]  Duckie Dickins: it mostly made my viewer freeze up from trying to log the chat spam. :P
[2014/03/20 15:40]  Caleb Linden: that was frantic
[2014/03/20 15:40]  Simon Linden: if you see lots of your own messages comign in late, let me know
[2014/03/20 15:40]  Whirly Fizzle: haha I turned logging off
[2014/03/20 15:40]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): tp bad i dont still have my hack from phoe that didnt limit the chat
[2014/03/20 15:40]  note Genesis: Problem is that lag chat is more in large groups than in small groups . with 20 people , it s rare to get some lag in production grid
[2014/03/20 15:41]  Anntoni: Not lots, but just very few of them came late
[2014/03/20 15:41]  Nal (nalates.urriah): No... seemed to work well...
[2014/03/20 15:41]  Anntoni: Not very noticable though.
[2014/03/20 15:41]  Whirly Fizzle: Yeah and disconnect every one Tank :P
[2014/03/20 15:41]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): i remember the last chat test we did, i loged people off do to their client not interacting with th server in time :P
[2014/03/20 15:41]  Anntoni: Yeah, looks like there isn't much lag
[2014/03/20 15:42]  Simon Linden: yes - it's really difficult to simulate the full load from the main grid
[2014/03/20 15:42]  Simon Linden: This is really a test that shows it doesn't fall over with minor load
[2014/03/20 15:42]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): will there be another test?
[2014/03/20 15:42]  Whirly Fizzle: Join Firestorm Support English if you want to repro bad chat lag on a daily basis :D
[2014/03/20 15:43]  Lucia Nightfire: beta chat and Mesh Volunteers is bad too
[2014/03/20 15:43]  Lucia Nightfire: FS beta chat
[2014/03/20 15:43]  Simon Linden: But Thank You, everyone - this was good.  I've captured the logs and I can look later to make sure there weren't any surprises
[2014/03/20 15:43]  Duckie Dickins: yeah but tons of stuff work in beta and blow up on production. :P
[2014/03/20 15:43]  Nal (nalates.urriah): If you can connect to FS Support...
[2014/03/20 15:43]  Whirly Fizzle: haha thats true
[2014/03/20 15:43]  Nal (nalates.urriah): A really bad on is the SL Mesh Content group...
[2014/03/20 15:44]  Whirly Fizzle: Builders brewery is bad too
[2014/03/20 15:44]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): sl mesh has hardly any chat
[2014/03/20 15:44]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): comparied to fs support
[2014/03/20 15:44]  Theresa Tennyson: Do these changes to chat require any viewer or simulator work?
[2014/03/20 15:44]  Rex Cronon: i had to close viewer. was very laggy
[2014/03/20 15:45]  Nal (nalates.urriah): True, but Mesh Chat was so bad I dropped the group. I could never reply.
[2014/03/20 15:45]  Rex Cronon: too much incomming text
[2014/03/20 15:45]  Lucia Nightfire: Rex your connection is the weakest link
[2014/03/20 15:45]  Nal (nalates.urriah): At least with FS Support I eventually connect
[2014/03/20 15:45]  Simon Linden: No Theresa, this is all in the back-end chat servers
[2014/03/20 15:46]  Simon Linden: Basically I dug into the code and found some inefficient parts and cleaned them up.  I also added more metrics, so I'm hoping it can show an improvement.  I'm pretty sure it will be better, but it's really hard to guess how much better
[2014/03/20 15:46]  Rex Cronon: that is what i have lucia
[2014/03/20 15:47]  Rex Cronon: simon. next time u want a more realistic test give a few days warning. its very likley that with enough notice lots of people will gladly come to help test group chat:)
[2014/03/20 15:48]  Simon Linden: I'm hoping to test it on the main grid soon :)
[2014/03/20 15:48]  Whirly Fizzle: Just weith select groups or all groups?
[2014/03/20 15:48]  Whirly Fizzle: *with
[2014/03/20 15:48]  Lucia Nightfire: its not dependant on region channel is it?
[2014/03/20 15:48]  Lucia Nightfire: ie, it will be live everywhere in and out
[2014/03/20 15:48]  Lucia Nightfire: once rolled
[2014/03/20 15:49]  Lucia Nightfire: if rolled is even applicable
[2014/03/20 15:49]  Whirly Fizzle: I want to volunteer Firestorm support group. If it totally breaks at least we get a holiday \o/
[2014/03/20 15:49]  Rex Cronon: imo i think testing it on main too early might be a little dangerous
[2014/03/20 15:49]  Whirly Fizzle: Dont tell Jess I said that Tank :P
[2014/03/20 15:49]  Simon Linden: It would get put on a server and then it would affect a fraction of the groups.  I can pick one group to target and make sure it covers that group
[2014/03/20 15:50]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Dang... I just IM'd her...
[2014/03/20 15:50]  Lucia Nightfire: I'll be happy when I don't have to open a group chat with a single char
[2014/03/20 15:50]  Whirly Fizzle: hahaha
[2014/03/20 15:50]  note Genesis: And is it possible to create one thousand fake avatars in aditi and create a group with this ? I don t think they  need to be logged. Sometimes lag exist in large groups even when there are few member onlines connected
[2014/03/20 15:50]  Whirly Fizzle: Nah, she would be cool with testing. Anything to help fix it
[2014/03/20 15:50]  Simon Linden: FS support might be a good one to try
[2014/03/20 15:50]  Simon Linden: obviously all owners would need to be ok with it
[2014/03/20 15:51]  Whirly Fizzle: Ill ask Ed/Jess
[2014/03/20 15:51]  Lucia Nightfire: Caleb, did you put that fix for BUG-5281 on a region on Aditi?
[2014/03/20 15:52]  Caleb Linden: on it :)
[2014/03/20 15:52]  Caleb Linden: i mean working.
[2014/03/20 15:52]  Lucia Nightfire: did you find a region with scripts enabled at the estate but with at least one parcel with them off publically?
[2014/03/20 15:52]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Simon, is this chat fix something that rolls out to region servers or only to backend servers?
[2014/03/20 15:53]  Whirly Fizzle: Ed said Yes :D
[2014/03/20 15:53]  Whirly Fizzle: As long as he gets a heads up when the switch happens so we can all see what happens
[2014/03/20 15:54]  Whirly Fizzle: Jess said yes
[2014/03/20 15:54]  note Genesis: oh .. we didn t test when the group chat is opening too .. I mean , for instance me , i had the two group chats already opened . And users don t join the group chat at the same time .
[2014/03/20 15:54]  Duckie Dickins: the problem though is if you fix group chat....people will want all of the other old bugs fixed too.
[2014/03/20 15:54]  Simon Linden: How about if I tell you afterwards when I throw the switch ... or at least which was the new or old part?
[2014/03/20 15:54]  Lucia Nightfire: placebo rolls
[2014/03/20 15:54]  Simon Linden: I don't want to bias any results
[2014/03/20 15:55]  Whirly Fizzle: ahh true
[2014/03/20 15:55]  Rex Cronon: come on simon. is not like u r looking to cure cancer:)
[2014/03/20 15:55]  Whirly Fizzle: Jess said can you tell her when it will happen and she promises not to tell anyone else
[2014/03/20 15:56]  Whirly Fizzle: Quote "And I won't report on results. I'll just watch unbias reaction and report that back to him."
[2014/03/20 15:56]  Lucia Nightfire: heh, it'll most likely happen before this weekend eitehr way, right?
[2014/03/20 15:56]  Lucia Nightfire: unless thats too soon
[2014/03/20 15:57]  Simon Linden: ok ... I'll be in touch as we move along.  I have to look at today's logs and see if there's anything to fix, and we have to make sure QA is all happy with it going onto the main grid
[2014/03/20 15:57]  Simon Linden: It's likely to be next week
[2014/03/20 15:57]  Whirly Fizzle: She said you can email her at jessica.lyon@phoenixviewer.com
[2014/03/20 15:57]  Simon Linden: Great, thank you
[2014/03/20 15:57]  note Genesis: don t send her an email . open a coinf group chat
[2014/03/20 15:58]  note Genesis: conference
[2014/03/20 15:58]  Lucia Nightfire: so what otehr stuff is being looked at? any word on exp perms?
[2014/03/20 15:58]  Simon Linden: Sorry, no update there
[2014/03/20 15:59]  Lucia Nightfire: I want to test them, but they're nto active on agni
[2014/03/20 15:59]  Lucia Nightfire: at least teh events and constantsdon't do anything
[2014/03/20 15:59]  Whirly Fizzle: Linden realms has exp perms but I don't think you can do much with those
[2014/03/20 16:01]  Simon Linden: yes, it's not available yet
[2014/03/20 16:01]  Duckie Dickins: I think I've been to linden realms exactly once....are they still doing the linden realms thing? I heard a lot of areas were broken and what not so I never bothered looking very long
[2014/03/20 16:01]  Simon Linden: I have to go ... thank you everyone for the help today.  It really does give us better info
[2014/03/20 16:01]  Caleb Linden: thanks simon
[2014/03/20 16:01]  Duckie Dickins: thanks for filling in today
[2014/03/20 16:01]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Thx Simon
[2014/03/20 16:01]  Whirly Fizzle: Ty Lindens
[2014/03/20 16:02]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Thx Lindens
[2014/03/20 16:02]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Simon and Caleb.
[2014/03/20 16:02]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): tc
[2014/03/20 16:02]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): have a good weekend, simon
[2014/03/20 16:02]  Caleb Linden: take care, all
[2014/03/20 16:02]  Simon Linden: Thanks, you too
[2014/03/20 16:02]  note Genesis: Let s hope it will help you
[2014/03/20 16:02]  Rex Cronon: tc simon