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[2014/10/02 15:00]  Gibson Firehawk: first time to see Oz bald :P
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Whirly Fizzle: Oz is broken too lol
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Jenna Felton: teleported to Morris and Morris started to load attachments :)
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Whirly Fizzle: Gonna relog and see if same happens to me again
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Hi guys
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Jenna Felton: hi Oz and all who i did not greet
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Oz Linden: just having trouble with this bench
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Gibson Firehawk: hey Lindens
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Inara Breen: Hi, Maestro, Oz.
[2014/10/02 15:00]  arton Rotaru: Someone broke my bench :(
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Whirly Fizzle: Maesto theres something weird on this region and Ahern.
[2014/10/02 15:00]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Whirly, are you talking BUG-7436 ?
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): oh?
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Whirly Fizzle: Attachments are taking ages to attach
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Inara Breen: Hey, Caleb.
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): do non-attachments rez quickly?
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Whirly Fizzle: Yep
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): from inventory
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Whirly Fizzle: Look at Oz
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): hm
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Whirly Fizzle: He just logged in 3 mins ago?
[2014/10/02 15:01]  arton Rotaru: ah now it's workin
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Whirly Fizzle: They attach but its very slow
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Oz Linden: there we go... I see me ok now
[2014/10/02 15:01]  Oz Linden: my hair was slow
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Gibson Firehawk: thats a cool new bitbucket pic you have Oz
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Hm, I think Oz loaded for me before I focused on him
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Zenith Subchair final p: whispers: Hi Yuzuru Jewell! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Caleb.
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Oz Linden: A resident did that sketch for me!
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Whirly Fizzle: lol now its adding old attachments on me
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Oz Linden: Got a Bear for it :-)
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Oz.
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Caleb Linden: heya
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Kennylex Luckless: Hia all
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Whirly Fizzle: LMAO
[2014/10/02 15:02]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Maestro.
[2014/10/02 15:03]  Oz Linden: bench is working again too
[2014/10/02 15:03]  arton Rotaru: yep
[2014/10/02 15:03]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): hello
[2014/10/02 15:03]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Hm yeah , your outfit is a bit of a mess, Whirly
[2014/10/02 15:03]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Rex.
[2014/10/02 15:03]  Caleb Linden: whoa
[2014/10/02 15:03]  Simon Linden: Hi eveyrone
[2014/10/02 15:03]  Simon Linden: everyone too
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): is that 'test female' now, Whirly? she looks normal except she's short..
[2014/10/02 15:04]  rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url}
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Jenna Felton: yes, no outfit could load recently, 10min ago or so
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Inara Breen: Hi, Simon
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Simon.
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Rex Cronon: hi everybody
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Jenna Felton: and now everything i was tried out that time was attached together
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Inara Breen: Hi, Rex
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Jenna Felton: but now seems working now
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Whirly Fizzle: Yeah seems okay now
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Whirly, Lucia and Jenna.
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Rex Cronon: hhi maestro
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Rex Cronon: hi oz
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Inara.
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Rex Cronon: hi simon
[2014/10/02 15:04]  Rex Cronon: hi caleb
[2014/10/02 15:05]  Inara Breen: Hey, Yuzuru!
[2014/10/02 15:05]  Rex Cronon: hi yuzuru
[2014/10/02 15:05]  Rex Cronon: hi inara
[2014/10/02 15:05]  Rex Cronon: why am i lagging so bad?
[2014/10/02 15:05]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Is Loading objects slow?
[2014/10/02 15:06]  arton Rotaru: for me it was just animations and scripts slow loading
[2014/10/02 15:06]  Whirly Fizzle: I have a favour to ask & youll probably say no :D I need 10 million L$ on Aditi to test some UI layout changes to the top bar with a large L$ balance :)
[2014/10/02 15:06]  Jenna Felton: i see now, my inventory was loading after i logged in, perhaps that was a reason. after it is load it works
[2014/10/02 15:06]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Actually, I think there's a way to trigger a fake L$ balance display..
[2014/10/02 15:06]  Whirly Fizzle: OOooh!
[2014/10/02 15:06]  Whirly Fizzle: How?
[2014/10/02 15:07]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I... need to research that
[2014/10/02 15:07]  Rex Cronon: u need fake lindens?
[2014/10/02 15:07]  Jenna Felton: hello Yuzuru :)
[2014/10/02 15:07]  Whirly Fizzle: WEll Im not gonna get 10 million on agni LOL
[2014/10/02 15:08]  Jenna Felton: i can give you 12000
[2014/10/02 15:08]  Jenna Felton: that is about how i have
[2014/10/02 15:08]  Whirly Fizzle: If theres a way I can fake it, thats cool
[2014/10/02 15:09]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Let me look into that after this meeting
[2014/10/02 15:09]  Whirly Fizzle: Thanks
[2014/10/02 15:09]  Jenna Felton: needs 100 to give 10000 and you have a million :)
[2014/10/02 15:09]  arton Rotaru: I would guess you need at least god powers to fake em
[2014/10/02 15:09]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): well, the viewer could pretend that it got an L$ balance response of some large amount..
[2014/10/02 15:09]  Jenna Felton: Maestro could tell every Linden to give to Whirly what they have :)
[2014/10/02 15:10]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): There you go
[2014/10/02 15:10]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): let's get started: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group#Agenda
[2014/10/02 15:10]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): The only topics I have for today are the server updates and a group chat test that we'll do at the end
[2014/10/02 15:10]  Rex Cronon: hmm. u could use an alt. give your money to your alt and reset pass for main. each time u reset pass u get new money here:)
[2014/10/02 15:11]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): The main channel got the experience tool bugfixes/changes which were on the RCs previously
[2014/10/02 15:12]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I know that Lucia had a chance to play with it some
[2014/10/02 15:12]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): since she filed https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7319  (which was fixed in the 2nd RC iteration)
[2014/10/02 15:13]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I haven't heard complaints, so I guess it's working alright now.  Though all of the changes are related to experience tools..
[2014/10/02 15:13]  Lucia Nightfire: not erally play, but gripe
[2014/10/02 15:13]  Lucia Nightfire: it broke stuff
[2014/10/02 15:13]  Lucia Nightfire: works as it should again, yes
[2014/10/02 15:13]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): oh
[2014/10/02 15:13]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): that's good :)
[2014/10/02 15:14]  Lucia Nightfire: it prevented me from giving people a correct exp uri
[2014/10/02 15:14]  Lucia Nightfire: as it was using the assigned group key instead of exp key
[2014/10/02 15:14]  arton Rotaru: ouch
[2014/10/02 15:14]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yeah, that wouldn't be too useful..
[2014/10/02 15:14]  arton Rotaru: that hurt I guess
[2014/10/02 15:14]  Lucia Nightfire: which in my case was null_key, which is why I saw the bug easily
[2014/10/02 15:15]  Lucia Nightfire: well, it wasn't as critical not being able to give a exp key sicne most peopel don't have a viewer that will display it correctly
[2014/10/02 15:15]  Lucia Nightfire: but I had a check in my scritps that cheked if an exp was compiled with the script, which was failing
[2014/10/02 15:16]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): ah that makes sense
[2014/10/02 15:16]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): So the other big RC channels got a new maintenance project, which fixed this bug: BUG-7329 "RemoteParcelRequest cap returned by a skill gaming region does not exist (returns HTTP error code 404)"
[2014/10/02 15:16]  Lucia Nightfire: so I had to add a temp group to the experience so it thought the group key was an exp key
[2014/10/02 15:16]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): There's not much to talk about there - the RemoteParcelRequest  capability is used by some TPVs to show the parcel_id of parcels
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): in the official viewer, it's mainly used to show parcel script info
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Whirly Fizzle: Its used in official viewer for parcel script memory too
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Lucia Nightfire: is that parcel center thing fixed?
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): which was broken in skill gaming regions
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Whirly Fizzle: lol
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): No, I think the "parcel center thing" is a viewer bug in the TPV code
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): likely related to this: SCR-133: "Script Info reporting on discontiguous parcels is not working as expected." https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-133
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Whirly Fizzle: Its a bug on official too because the parcel script memory alos uses the parcel center
[2014/10/02 15:17]  Oz Linden: the center of a parcel is not always in the parcel
[2014/10/02 15:18]  Whirly Fizzle: *also
[2014/10/02 15:18]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Yes, I think the parcel selection logic is picking the wrong parcel
[2014/10/02 15:18]  Lucia Nightfire: parcel center should be rethunk, heeh
[2014/10/02 15:18]  Whirly Fizzle: Its the same problem Maestro yeah. Ansariel took the code for parcel script memory and used that to display the parcel ID heh
[2014/10/02 15:18]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): when I query the capability manually (specifying the region_id and location vector), I get the correct parcel_id
[2014/10/02 15:19]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): so I think it's doing the query with the wrong location vector
[2014/10/02 15:20]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): perhaps it's making some assumptions about the parcel shape which aren't valid in all cases...
[2014/10/02 15:20]  Whirly Fizzle: It is, it uses the parcel centre and if there is another parcel cut in the centre it pulls data from the cenre parcel..
[2014/10/02 15:20]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): oops
[2014/10/02 15:21]  Margithe: does it calculate the center from 4 corners, the furthest directions of each?
[2014/10/02 15:21]  Lucia Nightfire: idk why it would need to even ref a parcel center to begin with
[2014/10/02 15:21]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): if it instead queried the southwest corner or something, that would probably fix the bug..
[2014/10/02 15:21]  Margithe: you'd get the wrong position them from an L shaped parcel, too
[2014/10/02 15:21]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): ah
[2014/10/02 15:22]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): that's true Margieth
[2014/10/02 15:22]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Margithe
[2014/10/02 15:22]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): In other update news, we've gotten some volunteers for the Snack RC
[2014/10/02 15:22]  Whirly Fizzle: See Ansariels comment on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-7383?focusedCommentId=445658&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-445658
[2014/10/02 15:22]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I won't "out" the list of privately-run regions, but they're out there
[2014/10/02 15:22]  Jenna Felton: perhaps it should take the center of the largest square that is in the parcell
[2014/10/02 15:23]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): as a reminder, the Snack RC has changes for texture and mesh asset fetching, to use a CDN for faster downloads
[2014/10/02 15:23]  Nal (nalates.urriah): How many regions now?
[2014/10/02 15:24]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): 28 right now
[2014/10/02 15:24]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Yay
[2014/10/02 15:24]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Is Bare Rose in the channel?
[2014/10/02 15:24]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Ah, Morris/Dore/Ahern/Bonifacio are on Snack
[2014/10/02 15:24]  arton Rotaru: ready to hit an RC channel next week?
[2014/10/02 15:25]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I don't think it'll hit the RC channel next week, I think there are some plans to tweak the CDN a bit first
[2014/10/02 15:25]  arton Rotaru: mhm okay
[2014/10/02 15:26]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): "Bare Rose" is on SLS right now
[2014/10/02 15:26]  Oz Linden: We're fine tuning our data gathering
[2014/10/02 15:26]  arton Rotaru: alright, just want it gridwide ^^
[2014/10/02 15:26]  Oz Linden: We may roll it out to lots of Aditi next week, but that has so little traffic that it's not much of a test
[2014/10/02 15:27]  arton Rotaru: yeah
[2014/10/02 15:27]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): The update to RC Snack was to get the changes that went to the main channel this week
[2014/10/02 15:27]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Woohoo B-R should be a good test
[2014/10/02 15:28]  Whirly Fizzle: If I do a tracert asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com, it shows the cdn server is in Phoenix, US. Why isn't it closer to me in the UK? Im guessing I don't understand how its supposed to work
[2014/10/02 15:28]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): If you or your friends run sims and would like them to join the Snack RC, we still have a few open slots
[2014/10/02 15:29]  Oz Linden: I don't know, Whirly ... it's possible that the CDN node is really one of the hops on that path... it's forwarding your trace packet
[2014/10/02 15:30]  Jenna Felton: i think you must tracert the assetserver that your viewer reports
[2014/10/02 15:30]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): what sort of ping time do you get to that host?
[2014/10/02 15:30]  Whirly Fizzle: C:\Users\Whirly>tracert asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com
 
 Tracing route to cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net [205.185.216.10]
 over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
  1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
  2 21 ms 20 ms 21 ms 88-104-224-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [88.104.224.1]
  3 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms 85-210-252-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [85.210.252.8]
  4 27 ms 27 ms 27 ms 85-210-252-19.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com [85.210.252.19]
  5 31 ms 31 ms 33 ms host-78-144-8-39.as13285.net [78.144.8.39]
  6 36 ms 38 ms 32 ms host-78-144-10-131.as13285.net [78.144.10.131]
  7 39 ms 31 ms 42 ms highwinds-pp-thn.as13285.net [78.144.3.42]
  8 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms 209.197.10.6
  9 32 ms 34 ms 32 ms map2.hwcdn.net [205.185.216.10]
 
 Trace complete.
[2014/10/02 15:30]  Whirly Fizzle: Nice & fast :)
[2014/10/02 15:30]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Isn't asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com just acting as a DNS directing you to the actual CDN server?
[2014/10/02 15:31]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): huh, would you normally have a 32ms ping to phoenix?
[2014/10/02 15:31]  Margithe: i get 4 ms XD
[2014/10/02 15:31]  Oz Linden: could be
[2014/10/02 15:31]  Whirly Fizzle: No do I hell. Mormally a 160-180 ping
[2014/10/02 15:31]  Whirly Fizzle: *normally
[2014/10/02 15:31]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): so the sim host is in phoenix
[2014/10/02 15:31]  Oz Linden: you're not going to Phoenix in 32ms
[2014/10/02 15:32]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I'm sure a ping to sim7000.aditi.lindenlab.com  would be more in your typical range
[2014/10/02 15:32]  Oz Linden: Einstein would have a real problem with that :-)
[2014/10/02 15:32]  Gibson Firehawk: have any of you done speed tests on the TextureTest CDN region and clocked the time from login on a clean install to when the texture console shows all textures loaded?
[2014/10/02 15:32]  arton Rotaru: lol
[2014/10/02 15:32]  Gibson Firehawk: im curious what are some of the times people are clocking
[2014/10/02 15:32]  Margithe: 3 4 ms 9 ms 12 ms c-83-233-51-194.cust.bredband2.com [83.233.51.19
 4]
  4 3 ms 11 ms 3 ms netnod-ix-ge-a-sth-1500.highwinds.com [194.68.12
 3.150]
  5 4 ms 3 ms 4 ms 81.171.70.10
  6 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms map2.hwcdn.net
[2014/10/02 15:32]  arton Rotaru: I got 60 seconds vs 133 sconds
[2014/10/02 15:33]  arton Rotaru: on the texture regions
[2014/10/02 15:33]  Margithe: that can't be true, can it? O.o
[2014/10/02 15:33]  Gibson Firehawk: im getting 30 seconds on CDN compared to 1 min on SLS
[2014/10/02 15:33]  Whirly Fizzle: But http://205.185.216.10.ipaddress.com/ shows its in Phoenix US. Thats why I was confused
[2014/10/02 15:34]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): and 205.185.216.10 is what the cdn resolves as from your local dns server?
[2014/10/02 15:34]  Whirly Fizzle: How do I check that?
[2014/10/02 15:34]  Oz Linden: I suspect that methodology gets defeated by the games they play to direct your requests to the nearest node
[2014/10/02 15:34]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): i get that one, maestro
[2014/10/02 15:34]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): or ending in .42
[2014/10/02 15:35]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): ping the url, whirly
[2014/10/02 15:35]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): itll show the ip
[2014/10/02 15:35]  Margithe: /me doesn't get how the tracert could show just 4 ms.
[2014/10/02 15:35]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): $ host asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com 
 asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com is an alias for cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net.
 cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net has address 205.185.216.42
 cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net has address 205.185.216.10
[2014/10/02 15:36]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Maybe there's some other magic with the CDN setup
[2014/10/02 15:36]  Nal (nalates.urriah): One result show 205.185.216.10 in Phoenix and another shows it in Georgia...
[2014/10/02 15:37]  Whirly Fizzle: Hum...
[2014/10/02 15:37]  Whirly Fizzle: C:\Users\Whirly>$ host asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com
 '$' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
 operable program or batch file.
[2014/10/02 15:37]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): ah yeah
[2014/10/02 15:37]  Margithe: 4 ms would be if the CDN was in my garage.
[2014/10/02 15:37]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): sorry, step 0 is to install linux :)
[2014/10/02 15:37]  Whirly Fizzle: >.<
[2014/10/02 15:37]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I guess it's.. nslookup in windows?
[2014/10/02 15:38]  Nal (nalates.urriah): usually nslookup....
[2014/10/02 15:38]  Whirly Fizzle: C:\Users\Whirly>nslookup asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com
 Server: UnKnown
 Address: 192.168.1.1
 
 Non-authoritative answer:
 Name: cds.y8a2h6u5.hwcdn.net
 Addresses: 205.185.216.10
  205.185.216.42
 Aliases: asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com
[2014/10/02 15:39]  Gibson Firehawk: that command works on OSX also Maestro :P
[2014/10/02 15:39]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Anyway, I suppose there must be something else going on with the CDN setup
[2014/10/02 15:39]  Oz Linden: most users will be less than 30ms from the node that's serving them the data
[2014/10/02 15:40]  Gibson Firehawk: what would be considered "high" for the CDN?
[2014/10/02 15:40]  Oz Linden: high what?
[2014/10/02 15:40]  Gibson Firehawk: average ping
[2014/10/02 15:40]  Whirly Fizzle: Tank was having horrid high ping time to the CDN. You still getting that Tank?
[2014/10/02 15:40]  Margithe: but 4ms? could that be even possible?
[2014/10/02 15:41]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): ive never been below a ping of 60 to the CDN
[2014/10/02 15:41]  Oz Linden: yes, it's possible... lucky, but possible
[2014/10/02 15:41]  arton Rotaru: I just got 11 ms Margithe
[2014/10/02 15:42]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): ive seen as high as 2 second ping
[2014/10/02 15:42]  Margithe: pinging asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com gives me 4 ms avarage
[2014/10/02 15:42]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): 17ms from Japan.
[2014/10/02 15:42]  Whirly Fizzle: Okay tp post those bad results you showed me Tank?
[2014/10/02 15:42]  Psi Merlin: asset-cdn is 14ms for me in the UK
[2014/10/02 15:42]  Whirly Fizzle: *to
[2014/10/02 15:42]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): on average i get about 110ms ping, while my ping to the server has been stable at 80-100ms
[2014/10/02 15:42]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): server, as in the simulator
[2014/10/02 15:43]  Margithe: heck, if i ping the local library, the one i can spit at from my balcony, i get 4 ms.
[2014/10/02 15:43]  Rex Cronon: wirelessly?
[2014/10/02 15:44]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): for me rex? no, hardwiered
[2014/10/02 15:44]  Margithe: <-- wireless
[2014/10/02 15:44]  Rex Cronon: no. margithe
[2014/10/02 15:44]  Rex Cronon: usually libraries offer free wifi:)
[2014/10/02 15:44]  arton Rotaru: don't need a wire to spit from a balcony :p
[2014/10/02 15:45]  Rex Cronon: if u r lucky u live close to a cdn server:)
[2014/10/02 15:45]  Margithe: the highwinds servers are supposed to be in stockholm for me, but i don't recall having that smooth ping for anything in stockholm either
[2014/10/02 15:45]  Gibson Firehawk: i guess i must be a little further away from one in the US...getting 30-40 most of the time
[2014/10/02 15:46]  Gibson Firehawk: but thats still less than half of regular ping time
[2014/10/02 15:46]  Margithe: but then again, our local airport is called "stockholm south2 so who knows. maybe it IS in my garage.
[2014/10/02 15:46]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): i do need to work with monty some time and figure out why CDN is so bad for me
[2014/10/02 15:47]  Whirly Fizzle: The results Tank showed me for ping asset-cdn.agni.lindenlab.com were Minimum = 327ms, Maximum = 2304ms, Average = 1386ms. Thats pretty bad
[2014/10/02 15:47]  Margithe: ooouch
[2014/10/02 15:47]  Gibson Firehawk: whoa
[2014/10/02 15:47]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): and one of the 4 pings timed out
[2014/10/02 15:48]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): the only other service i had running at the time was IRC
[2014/10/02 15:48]  Rex Cronon: it could be possible that the cdn note close to u tank is used also for something that takes a lot of bandwitht, or there there are too many that r using it?
[2014/10/02 15:48]  Duckie Dickins: could be that your ISP hosts the local CDN node, Margithe
[2014/10/02 15:48]  Rex Cronon: the cdn node*
[2014/10/02 15:48]  Inara Breen: Highwinds DCs: North America: Ashburn, Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Newark, Phoenix, San Francisco, San Jose/Sunnyvale, Seattle and Toronto; Europe: Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt, London, Madrid, Paris and Stockholm; South America: Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo; Asia: Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore and Manila; Australia: Sydney
[2014/10/02 15:49]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): frontier hasnt cared about upgrading our network in ages
[2014/10/02 15:49]  arton Rotaru: just pinged 
  Zeit=19ms TTL=59
  Zeit=23ms TTL=59
  Zeit=15ms TTL=59
  Zeit=15ms TTL=59
[2014/10/02 15:49]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): they may not even have their own CDN :P
[2014/10/02 15:49]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): In case any of you are interested in how the CDN works (given that the same IP addresses resolve for anybody), April pointed me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast
[2014/10/02 15:49]  Whirly Fizzle: Thnaks! Ill read that later
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Oz Linden: /me has to leave
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): We should get started with this group chat test
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Oz Linden: bye all
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Whirly Fizzle: Ty oz
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Gibson Firehawk: later Oz
[2014/10/02 15:50]  arton Rotaru: bye
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): See you, Oz.
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Rex Cronon: tc oz
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Margithe: bye oz!
[2014/10/02 15:50]  MartinRJ Fayray: bye
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Simon, what's new with group chat?
[2014/10/02 15:50]  Simon Linden: So we're going to test out the group chat server today
[2014/10/02 15:51]  Rex Cronon: more group chat spam fest:)
[2014/10/02 15:51]  Simon Linden: I think we tried an earlier version of this maybe a month or so ago, but this code slows down how fast the updates are sent with each group
[2014/10/02 15:51]  Simon Linden: So please close and re-open the group chat windows once we get going
[2014/10/02 15:52]  Whirly Fizzle: same 2 gros usual?
[2014/10/02 15:52]  Simon Linden: yes
[2014/10/02 15:52]  Simon Linden: In investigating group chat, I discovered that the servers spend a lot of time sending updates
[2014/10/02 15:52]  Whirly Fizzle: *groups as usual
[2014/10/02 15:52]  Gibson Firehawk: which two groups?
[2014/10/02 15:52]  Whirly Fizzle: secondlife:///app/group/fa943583-23f5-3242-da23-52024f1e05c4/about and secondlife:///app/group/19e6bef4-74bc-242c-e49f-94815cb3b494/about
[2014/10/02 15:52]  Simon Linden: so without anyone chatting, the updates about who has entered or left the group are a big load ... and you can imagine in a large group (500+ people online) that happens a lot
[2014/10/02 15:53]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): simon, did you ever look into the message that gets sent tot he viewer about the chat message you senthasnt been processed yet?
[2014/10/02 15:53]  Rex Cronon: we don't have even 50 people here...
[2014/10/02 15:53]  Simon Linden: This change delays those updates, which will accumulate them into a common message
[2014/10/02 15:54]  Simon Linden: yes Tankmaster ... that message isn't really the problem, it's just telling you there is a problem
[2014/10/02 15:54]  Simon Linden: so I'd rather not see it by making the servers work better
[2014/10/02 15:55]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): i was just thinking if it was sent later on, there might be less cases where it is sent do to the longer timout
[2014/10/02 15:55]  Margithe: my biggest problem is that i don't get the first 2-4 lines of chat when someone starts it. I can be online for some hours, then group chat starts in the middle of the topic
[2014/10/02 15:55]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): or if it was sent when the message actually was discarded do to a timeout
[2014/10/02 15:55]  Simon Linden: so ... for this test, please open one of those two groups as Whirly posted, send a message or two, close the window, wait a bit and repeat
[2014/10/02 15:55]  Simon Linden: the "wait a bit" can be up to a minute or two
[2014/10/02 15:56]  Simon Linden: but quicker is fine too
[2014/10/02 15:56]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Okay
[2014/10/02 15:56]  Rex Cronon: what r we looking 4?
[2014/10/02 15:57]  Simon Linden: If we can do that for about 5 minutes, that would be great
[2014/10/02 15:58]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I think we're looking for errors messages, Rex
[2014/10/02 15:59]  Jenna Felton: opening the group chat when there is a massive stream of messages takes a while stil
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Rex Cronon: lol. somebody is using a script to paste
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Rex Cronon: right tank:)
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: my viewer lags from time to time
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: beach ball
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Whirly Fizzle: Disable chat logging lol
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: d
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: d
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: d
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: d
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: d
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: s
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: s
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: a
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: f
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: fa
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: fs
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: fsa
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: afs
[2014/10/02 16:00]  Caleb Linden: fas
[2014/10/02 16:01]  rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url}
[2014/10/02 16:01]  Margithe: lol wrong group
[2014/10/02 16:01]  Rex Cronon: i g2g. bye all and have fun:)
[2014/10/02 16:01]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Caleb, it is local chat.
[2014/10/02 16:01]  Simon Linden: hmm I don't see delays opening any of them
[2014/10/02 16:02]  Whirly Fizzle: I got an error http://i.imgur.com/ErAzfad.jpg
[2014/10/02 16:02]  Simon Linden: maybe my chat history isn't long enough
[2014/10/02 16:02]  Simon Linden: thanks Whirly, I'll look for that in the logs
[2014/10/02 16:02]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): lol, i saw my chat going by for about 20 seconds after i stoped :P
[2014/10/02 16:02]  Margithe: fmeh. works too good.
[2014/10/02 16:03]  Nal (nalates.urriah): I got a hard freeze in 3.7.17 just trying to open switch between the groups.
[2014/10/02 16:03]  Caleb Linden: yeah
[2014/10/02 16:04]  Simon Linden: OK, thanks ... I think that gives me enough to look at
[2014/10/02 16:04]  Caleb Linden: ok, script. you can halt now
[2014/10/02 16:04]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Group chat update is delayed..
[2014/10/02 16:05]  Margithe: we should be spread out on different sims to test it for realz ;)
[2014/10/02 16:05]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Wow... I had big freezes with Group Chat Chat
[2014/10/02 16:05]  Jenna Felton: Tank, what canoon have you used to create those volleys?
[2014/10/02 16:05]  Whirly Fizzle: Everything was fine for me apart from that one initialisation error
[2014/10/02 16:05]  Jenna Felton: me too
[2014/10/02 16:05]  Simon Linden: yeah, it seems to get worse with more chat history
[2014/10/02 16:06]  Jenna Felton: when switching there it took longer wvery time i wanted switch to the chat
[2014/10/02 16:06]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): jenna, crtl + v
[2014/10/02 16:06]  Jenna Felton: ok
[2014/10/02 16:06]  Whirly Fizzle: If you disable chat logging those freezes won't happen as bad
[2014/10/02 16:06]  Margithe: if it's all for tonight, i shall bid you adieu!
[2014/10/02 16:06]  Jenna Felton: that were fast ctrlV :)
[2014/10/02 16:07]  Caleb Linden: au revoir
[2014/10/02 16:07]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): im on a tablet also :P
[2014/10/02 16:07]  Jenna Felton: hm ok
[2014/10/02 16:07]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I guess, I think we're done?
[2014/10/02 16:07]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): for now
[2014/10/02 16:07]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): :D
[2014/10/02 16:07]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Until next week..
[2014/10/02 16:08]  Whirly Fizzle: I just need my 10 million L$ Maestro :P
[2014/10/02 16:08]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): lol
[2014/10/02 16:08]  Caleb Linden: lol
[2014/10/02 16:08]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): heh okay, let me see if I made up that message
[2014/10/02 16:08]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): I believe there's a debug method..
[2014/10/02 16:08]  Whirly Fizzle: Cools
[2014/10/02 16:08]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): its in the "Group Chat Chat" chat
[2014/10/02 16:09]  arton Rotaru: alright good night everyone
[2014/10/02 16:09]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Thanks for coming everybody!
[2014/10/02 16:09]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): have a good one, maestro
[2014/10/02 16:09]  Duckie Dickins: thanks for the meeting
[2014/10/02 16:09]  And all I got was this lousy DN (tankmaster.finesmith): whispers: and caleb
[2014/10/02 16:10]  Inara Breen: Thanks, Maestro, Caleb, Simon!
[2014/10/02 16:10]  Gibson Firehawk: thanks Lindens
[2014/10/02 16:10]  Caleb Linden: you are welcome
[2014/10/02 16:10]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Caleb, Maestro and Simon.
[2014/10/02 16:10]  Simon Linden: Thanks everyone for the help
[2014/10/02 16:10]  Mæstro Linden (maestro.linden): Indeed
[2014/10/02 16:10]  Nal (nalates.urriah): Thx all