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Transcript of Bridie Linden's office hours:

[15:00] Torley Linden: :D

colspan="2"|Potatobug Tester is Offline

[15:00] Colton Linden: what a pleasant font :)
[15:00] Torley Linden: hahaah
[15:00] Sheet Spotter: Allo, allo
[15:00] Torley Linden: i love doing fullwidth unicode
[15:00] Torley Linden: cracks me up every time

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colspan="2"|Periapse Linden is Offline


colspan="2"|Samuel Linden is Online

[15:01] Bridie Linden: back!
[15:01] Torley Linden: WB bridie!
[15:01] Saijanai Kuhn: Hey Torley
[15:01] Bridie Linden: howdy howdy howdy!
[15:01] Torley Linden: yo Yo YO
[15:01] Saijanai Kuhn: Hey Bridie
[15:01] Colton Linden: wb Bridie
[15:01] Bridie Linden: How's everyone!
[15:01] Bri Gufler: Hi everyone
[15:02] Bridie Linden: Hey Saijanai havne't seen ya for a while!
[15:02] Saijanai Kuhn: been running around in circles

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colspan="2"|Saijanai Kuhn is good at that

[15:02] Bridie Linden: hee

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[15:03] Bridie Linden: We
[15:03] Harleen Gretzky: Hi Bridie, Torley, Colton and Nya
[15:03] Bridie Linden: We're down an Alexa today :(
[15:03] Torley Linden: awwe
[15:03] Bridie Linden: Let me ping Aric real quick...
[15:03] Nya Linden: did I get her sick?
[15:03] Colton Linden: Hi Harleen
[15:03] Nya Linden: and.. Hi all!
[15:03] Bridie Linden: Not sure Nya
[15:04] Bambers Linden: afternoon

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[15:04] Bridie Linden: Bambers aren't you supposed to be smoke testing???
[15:04] Colton Linden: heya Bambers

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden grins

[15:04] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:04] Bambers Linden: I'm just observing - I won't be much help today bridie

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[15:04] Bambers Linden: hey colton :)
[15:05] Bridie Linden: Aric is on his way...

colspan="2"|Bambers Linden says this as if he's helpful at other triage meetings...


colspan="2"|Bridie Linden laughs


colspan="2"|Aric Linden is Online

[15:05] Bridie Linden: So in case folks didn't notice...
[15:05] Bridie Linden: we didn't get an RC out last week...

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colspan="2"|Pastrami Linden is Online


colspan="2"|Bridie Linden looks @ Bambers

[15:06] Bridie Linden: But are working on RC9 for this week!
[15:06] norritt Xi: Hi everyone!
[15:06] Second Life: Your object 'Object' has been returned to your inventory lost

colspan="2"|and found folder by Rose Linden from parcel at LindenWorld B 233.757,

colspan="2"|226.705 due to parcel owner return.

[15:06] Tuckaxe Parx: nice place
[15:06] Bridie Linden: And in other exciting news, a rolling restart is planned for Thurs/Fri

colspan="2"|of this week

[15:06] Bridie Linden: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/06/04/preview-grid-updated-

??? production-deploy-rolling-restart-plans/

[15:07] Bridie Linden: And if that's not enough good news ...
[15:07] Bridie Linden: Be sure to check out this post about the Preview Grid
[15:07] Bridie Linden: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/05/25/reintroducing-the-preview-

??? grid-aditi/


colspan="2"|Brad Linden is Online

[15:07] Bridie Linden: SErver 1.22 is already on the Preview Grid if you wanna help test :)
[15:07] Bambers Linden: hi Aric
[15:07] Aric Linden: heya bambers
[15:07] Bridie Linden: Welcome Pastrami + Aric Lindens!

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[15:08] Saijanai Kuhn: Hey Aric, Hey Bam,bers, Hey Pastrami
[15:08] Bridie Linden: Back to our regularly scheduled program...
[15:08] Bridie Linden: Today's agenda
[15:08] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Wednesday_Agenda
[15:08] Bridie Linden: First up:
[15:08] Bridie Linden: VWR-7526[c] - Votes: 3 - High-rez snapshots have black lines in
grid pattern
[15:08] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7526
[15:08] Bridie Linden: I couldn't repro on my mac
[15:09] Bridie Linden: but it was reported on XP w/NVidia

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[15:09] Torley Linden: Morris told me he'd JIRAfy this... i haven't seen it

??? commonly

[15:09] Gellan Glenelg: possibly related to VWR-7489, VWR-7577 ? (both black

??? lines)

[15:09] Bri Gufler: I tried it on XP with nvidia 8800 GTX and 8800 GT on two

colspan="2"|machines and couldn't repro either

[15:09] Gellan Glenelg: no, I can't repro
[15:09] Bridie Linden: hmm, thx Bri + Gellan
[15:09] Gellan Glenelg: i'm on XP, nvidia
[15:09] Bri Gufler: This is with XP SP3 and the nvidia drivers from May 18th
(forgot version)
[15:10] Bridie Linden: I'll resolve as such then...
[15:10] Aric Linden: Hi Ellla
[15:10] Aric Linden: bridie? No Alexa today?
[15:10] Bri Gufler: Maybe its due to older graphics drivers or something?
[15:10] Bridie Linden: No Alexa today Aric
[15:10] Bridie Linden: Feel free to add comments/suggestions Bri, ty
[15:10] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:10] Sheet Spotter: Is specifically states *high res* snapshots. His are really
high res.
[15:10] Bridie Linden: VWR-6440[c] - Votes: 1 - Distance to target not visible at some

??? angles

[15:10] Ellla McMahon: Hi Aric ... everyone :)
[15:11] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6440
[15:11] Bri Gufler: Hey Ellla
[15:11] Bambers Linden: hi Ella
[15:11] Bridie Linden: Hi Ellla

colspan="2"|Phoenix Linden is Online

[15:11] Gellan Glenelg: I can repro this by using map to create a beacon at
levenhall 128,0,21

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden looks @ Pastrami

[15:11] Bridie Linden: "Turning off Basic Shaders fixes the problem. "
[15:12] Pastrami Linden: yeah, I'm reading up on it
[15:12] Gellan Glenelg: then move camera far away... lower part of text gets ciut

??? off

[15:12] Pastrami Linden: yeah this is one for Runitai or BigPapi
[15:12] Bridie Linden: Okey doke, will import
[15:12] Torley Linden: :)
[15:12] Bridie Linden: Next up...
[15:13] Bridie Linden: # VWR-6483[c] - Votes: 1 - Changing Advanced->Rendering->Info

colspan="2"|Displays blanks all HUD llSetText. - Buckaroo Mu

[15:13] Pastrami Linden: yeah this one is def. for tuniati
[15:13] Pastrami Linden: runitai
[15:13] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6483
[15:13] Bridie Linden: kk
[15:13] Gellan Glenelg: particularyly annoying for tiny empires players!
[15:13] Bri Gufler: I can reproduce this one on both XP and OS X viewers
[15:13] Gellan Glenelg: and yes, it repros
[15:13] Bridie Linden: Got it
[15:13] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:13] Bridie Linden: VWR-6561[c] - Votes: 1 - Wireless Mighty Mouse stops responding

colspan="2"|and freezes BlueTooth Keyboard too until turned off and on

[15:13] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6561
[15:14] Aric Linden: I thought this was fixed. Is it not yet released?

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden hmms

[15:14] Bridie Linden: If I remember correctly, we made some fixes, but not all...
[15:15] Bridie Linden: I'll ping Steve about this one...unless Bambers knows?
[15:15] Bridie Linden: Bambers is prolly busy delegating... :)
[15:15] Bambers Linden: It wasn't fixed completely
[15:15] Bambers Linden: But we never saw it affecting bluetooth mighty mouse
[15:16] Squirrel Wood: /ao off
[15:16] Bridie Linden: I'll import and link up
[15:16] Bridie Linden: Hey Squirrel!
[15:16] Bridie Linden: Welcome
[15:16] Torley Linden: yo Squirrel!
[15:16] Torley Linden: glad you could make it
[15:16] Squirrel Wood: I has arrived!
[15:16] Squirrel Wood: Hellu!
[15:16] norritt Xi: Hey Squirrel!

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden claps for Squirrel

[15:16] Bridie Linden: Next up...
[15:16] Bridie Linden: # VWR-6586[c] - Votes: 1 - Scale values in Avatar mode on

colspan="2"|3DConnexion controller appear to do nothing - CodeWarrior Carling

[15:16] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6586
[15:16] Bri Gufler: I tried this - the scale values seem to have no effect.
[15:16] Bridie Linden: I'm not sure what those values are supposed to do...

colspan="2"|Squirrel Wood pulls out chocolate Sarts "Anyone?"

[15:17] Bridie Linden: Torley do you know?
[15:17] Bridie Linden: yummers!

colspan="2"|Aric Linden is allergic to chocolate

[15:17] Torley Linden: yes, it's a bit difficult to describe, lemme check quickly tho
too... hmmm
[15:17] Torley Linden: what Aimee there mentioned sounds correct
[15:17] Torley Linden: to my knowledge we don't yet have analogue, variable
velocity movement
[15:17] Bridie Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Space_Navigator
[15:17] Torley Linden: would be nice but i'd check with Steve + 3Dconnexion

colspan="2"|peeps on this to be sure

[15:17] Torley Linden: *tries to repro quickly*
[15:18] Bridie Linden: I couldn't tell what it did/didn't do, honestly
[15:18] Bridie Linden: but is fun watching you all test

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden grins

[15:18] Bri Gufler: certainly on XP the values don't seem to do anything.
[15:18] Torley Linden: yeah there's no gradual scale between 0.00 and 1.00
[15:19] Bridie Linden: and does -1 == off? or ??
[15:19] Torley Linden: as soon as you set it to 0.01 it works the same as 1.00

colspan="2"|Blue Linden is Online

[15:19] norritt Xi: Humm is this me being blind or is "Advanced -> Character ->

colspan="2"|Show Look At" not working any more in RC8?


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[15:19] Torley Linden: -1 is only off for the Axis maps on top
[15:19] Torley Linden: 0 is effectively off for Scale
[15:20] Torley Linden: UI wise i think we shouldn't allow scale settings if they

colspan="2"|actually don't do anything, to remove confusion

[15:20] Bridie Linden: Not sure Norritt
[15:20] Torley Linden: so i'd suggest import here and followup to CLARIFY

colspan="2"|Ramzi Linden is Online

[15:20] Torley Linden: :)

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden nods to Torley

[15:20] Bridie Linden: Next
[15:20] Bridie Linden: VWR-6626[c] - Votes: 1 - Spacenavigator Not Recognised MacOS
[15:20] Torley Linden: SpaceNavigator is so much fun, BTW, if anyone here

colspan="2"|hasn't tried it

[15:20] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6626

colspan="2"|Johan Linden is Offline


colspan="2"|Phoenix Linden is Offline

[15:20] Torley Linden: hmmm
[15:20] Bri Gufler: I did some testing on this one today.

colspan="2"|Ekim Linden is Online

[15:21] Bri Gufler: interestingly enough - the spacenav seemed to work FINE

colspan="2"|without the 3dconnexion drivers.

[15:21] Bridie Linden: Are you on leopard Bri?
[15:21] Torley Linden: i suggest Needs More Info here, and make sure the

colspan="2"|person has "Enable Joystick" in Joystick Configuration checked... that was a

colspan="2"|common usability slipup across platforms

[15:21] Bri Gufler: after I installed them it would not work.
[15:21] Bri Gufler: Yes 10.5.3
[15:21] Torley Linden: really Bri? odd!
[15:21] Torley Linden: i haven't tried my SN on Leopard yet
[15:21] Bridie Linden: I'm still on Tiger
[15:21] Bri Gufler: I had not tried it on a Mac until today.
[15:22] Torley Linden: i'd at least make sure this Resident had "Enable Joystick"

??? checked.

[15:22] Bri Gufler: I generally use it on my XP machine
[15:22] Bri Gufler: I tihink the screenshot shows they did
[15:22] Bri Gufler: but it was showing the Optical mouse instead of the spacenav
[15:22] Torley Linden: i don't see a screenshot here :O
[15:22] Bri Gufler: oh I think I looked at the related one
[15:22] Bridie Linden: descr says: [x] Enable Joystick : Apple Optical USB Mouse
[15:22] Torley Linden: hmmm
[15:23] Torley Linden: oh i see that :\
[15:23] Bri Gufler: after installing the 3dconnexion drivers I could no longer use

colspan="2"|the spacenav - i saw the same behavior - it said "Apple Optical USB Mouse"

[15:23] Torley Linden: thanks for checking into that Bri
[15:23] Torley Linden: i wonder if the same thing that worked for you will work for

??? Chance?

[15:23] Torley Linden: (uninstall drivers)
[15:23] Bri Gufler: I am going to suggest it in Jira
[15:23] Bri Gufler: Just did this testing 5 minutes before the meeting
[15:23] Torley Linden: yeah, it's not the end, but it is a workaround for now...

??? thanks!!

[15:24] Bridie Linden: Thx!
[15:24] Torley Linden: wow James24 fancy ballerina moves there
[15:24] Bri Gufler: Yeah its definitely not ideal - because that renders the

colspan="2"|spacenav useless for other apps

[15:24] James24 Bravin: hello
[15:24] Bridie Linden: Bri, could you update the title to include leopard?
[15:24] Bri Gufler: Will do
[15:25] Bridie Linden: ty
[15:25] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:25] Bridie Linden: VWR-6623[c] - Votes: 1 - After downloading 1.20.18 I can not install

colspan="2"|I get 30 "error can not open for writing" messages most are .dll or db2 files -

[15:25] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6623
[15:25] Torley Linden: another person with the same problem said Strife's

colspan="2"|suggestion worked in the comments

[15:25] Torley Linden: confirm with original reporter if still a prob for them?
[15:25] Torley Linden: "Needs More Info"
[15:26] Bridie Linden: will do!
[15:26] Torley Linden: =)
[15:26] Squirrel Wood: Needs more Torley :)
[15:26] Torley Linden: lolex
[15:26] Bridie Linden: ha!
[15:26] Bridie Linden: Next up...
[15:26] Bridie Linden: VWR-6697[c] - Votes: 1 - RC 1.20.2 (85278): System freeze after

colspan="2"|login under linux

[15:27] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6697
[15:27] Gellan Glenelg: RC2 ?
[15:27] Bridie Linden: Looks like we can resolve this one
[15:27] Bridie Linden: based upon Suzan's own comment!
[15:27] Torley Linden: yes good
[15:27] Torley Linden: i love it when a plan comes together

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden 's favorite kind o bug


colspan="2"|Samuel Linden is Offline

[15:27] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:27] Torley Linden: BEHOLD... the SELF-RESOLVING WONDER!
[15:27] Bridie Linden: # VWR-6653[c] - Votes: 1 - Anti-ailiasing no longer visible on mac

colspan="2"|client - Court Goodman


colspan="2"|Ryan Linden is Online

[15:28] Pastrami Linden: definitely one for runitai
[15:28] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6653

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden nods

[15:28] Bri Gufler: This may be fixed with RC8
[15:28] Bri Gufler: I couldn't reproduce this under RC8 - I am running an 8800GT

colspan="2"|on my Mac Pro


colspan="2"|Bridie Linden is 'beholding' Tuckaxe's wardrobe change...

[15:29] Aric Linden: it might be PPC specific
[15:29] Aric Linden: what mac hardware are you using?
[15:29] Bri Gufler: Intel
[15:29] Bri Gufler: but his hardware list said Intel as well
[15:29] Bri Gufler: CPU: 8 x i386 (Unknown) (3000 MHz) ?
[15:29] Bri Gufler: was what he reported

colspan="2"|Bao Linden is Online

[15:29] Bri Gufler: thats what I have - one of the new 8-core mac Pros
[15:30] Aric Linden: ?
[15:30] Bridie Linden: 8-core??
[15:30] Nya Linden: O.o
[15:30] Torley Linden: ohhh fancy, what do you need all those cores for, Bri?

??? Maya? :D

[15:30] Aric Linden: are you looking at 6683?
[15:30] Bri Gufler: 2 quad core proccessors :)
[15:30] norritt Xi: More power hrhrhr

colspan="2"|Ramzi Linden is Offline

[15:30] Bri Gufler: oh Im looking at 6653
[15:30] Aric Linden: ahh
[15:30] Aric Linden: ok

colspan="2"|Jaime Linden is Online


colspan="2"|Liana Linden is Online

[15:30] Aric Linden: I was scared for a moment
[15:30] Bri Gufler: I thought that was the one we were on now
[15:30] Bridie Linden: one sec folks

colspan="2"|Sue Linden is Online

[15:30] Sheet Spotter: Is Marvin Haller griefing?
[15:31] Squirrel Wood: temp prims
[15:31] Torley Linden: never a dull moment, that's for sure

colspan="2"|Zen Linden is Online

[15:32] Colton Linden: let me blow those away
[15:32] Torley Linden: thanks Colton :)
[15:32] Torley Linden: hahaha
[15:32] Bridie Linden: Ty Colton
[15:32] Torley Linden: very apt thing for a fan to say
[15:32] norritt Xi: LMAO Colton that is the best avatar ever!
[15:32] Bri Gufler: :)
[15:32] Simon Kline: hehe G team rocks :D
[15:32] Torley Linden: norritt, that fan has an incredible commercial ad too:

??? http://www.flickr.com/photos/miyaoka/2517527479/ :)

[15:33] Bridie Linden: what'd we decide w/6653?
[15:33] Bridie Linden: +1 Simon
[15:33] Torley Linden: Bridie, it's a good one for Runitai
[15:33] Torley Linden: is what Pastrami sez earlier

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden nods

[15:33] Torley Linden: mmhmm
[15:33] Bri Gufler: I def can't repro 6653 on the same hardware with RC8
[15:33] Bri Gufler: so hopefully its fixed already :)
[15:33] Bridie Linden: pls comment Bri, thx!
[15:33] Aric Linden: you have rc8 Bri?
[15:33] Bridie Linden: gold sarts for Bri
[15:33] Bri Gufler: Yes

colspan="2"|Aric Linden blinks

[15:34] Torley Linden: yeah, that picture "Picture 7.png" is really dark and not a

colspan="2"|good example of whether antialiasing works or not

[15:34] Bridie Linden: i have RC9 Aric
[15:34] Bridie Linden: Next up..an older issue...
[15:34] Bridie Linden: VWR-6683[c] - Votes: 1 - 1.20RC2 - Immediate crash when clicking

colspan="2"|OK on blue pop-up window (MacOs)

[15:34] norritt Xi: Aww very peacful commercial
[15:34] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6683

colspan="2"|Zen Linden is Offline


colspan="2"|Jill Linden is Offline


colspan="2"|Conover's Flight-Helper 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and ??? operational.

[15:36] Bridie Linden: I think we can resolve 6683
[15:36] norritt Xi: Hey Colton I could use some fresh air its really hot here, so if

colspan="2"|you don't mind ;)

[15:36] Torley Linden: it seems that way to me too... it'd be hotter if it was still a

??? problem

[15:36] Bridie Linden: me too Torley
[15:36] Torley Linden: that is a pretty straightforward repro, afterall
[15:36] Bridie Linden: And from APril
[15:36] Bridie Linden: Next...
[15:36] Bridie Linden: VWR-6788[c] - Votes: 1 - Ctrl-Alt-LMouseclick on avatar zoomes

colspan="2"|camera out instead of focusing on avatar -

[15:37] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6788
[15:37] Torley Linden: ok, well this isn't critical... and it sounds like a dupe of

colspan="2"|existing camera bugs

[15:37] Torley Linden: where was that one *looks*
[15:37] Bridie Linden: yeah
[15:38] Torley Linden: i think i know what this Resident is describing, it's

colspan="2"|frustrating/annoying at times but can be worked around

[15:38] Torley Linden: one of the oldest...

??? https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-98

[15:38] Torley Linden: it sounds like the same bug
[15:38] Bridie Linden: yup
[15:39] Torley Linden: this is a KEY example of where a video comes in handy

colspan="2"|(and of course, the VWR-98) has videos ;)


colspan="2"|Jaime Linden is Offline

[15:39] Torley Linden: so yeah, i'm betting VWR-6788 is either VWR-98 or

colspan="2"|https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1286 (similar but different)


colspan="2"|Bridie Linden nods

[15:40] Bridie Linden: Next...
[15:40] Bridie Linden: VWR-6933[c] - Votes: 1 - Disabling Ripple Water also disables glow

??? -

[15:40] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6933
[15:40] Pastrami Linden: nigpapi
[15:40] Torley Linden: this one sounds freakishly familiar from the ol' WindLight

??? days

[15:40] Pastrami Linden: bigpapi

colspan="2"|Bambers Linden is Offline

[15:40] Harleen Gretzky: this is easily worked around by alt-zooming instead of
clicking, correct?
[15:40] Pastrami Linden: actually
[15:40] Pastrami Linden: zen
[15:40] Bridie Linden: kk
[15:40] Bri Gufler: Im assuming by "ripple water" they mean "basic shaders"?
[15:40] Pastrami Linden: probably
[15:40] Torley Linden: Pastrami, it reminds me of some of the ATI issues but i

colspan="2"|note they're on a Go5200... Zen would know whether there's limited shader ??? support

[15:41] Torley Linden: yeah Bri they should be very clear about that
[15:41] Pastrami Linden: yeah Torley
[15:41] Torley Linden: we don't call it "ripple water" anymore for that exact,
distinct reason

colspan="2"|Zen Linden is Online

[15:41] Bri Gufler: So I guess my question is - is glow a function of the shader

colspan="2"|support? If so this may not be a bug.

[15:41] Torley Linden: i'd also confirm the obvious: if they updated their drivers to
the newest
[15:41] Harleen Gretzky: Looks like they disabled ripple water under debug

??? settings

[15:41] Bri Gufler: ah ok
[15:42] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:42] Bridie Linden: VWR-6989[c] - Votes: 1 - joystick flycam - zoomlevel jumps -
[15:42] Torley Linden: sidenote: we don't officially support stuff in Advanced

colspan="2"|menu (incl. Debug Settings) unless it's a different way to access an existing UI

colspan="2"|element or other feature

[15:42] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6989
[15:42] norritt Xi: Torley: I think 169 is the newest driver for the 5200 Go

colspan="2"|Joshua Linden is Online

[15:43] Harleen Gretzky: Maybe ripple water should be removed now that it is

??? deprecated

[15:43] Torley Linden: i've not had this problem

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[15:43] Bridie Linden: and this "Also it forgets the old values of the flycam-mode it had the

colspan="2"|last time. " has been fixed

[15:43] Torley Linden: hmmm...

colspan="2"|Zen Linden is Offline

[15:43] Torley Linden: haha i just used Flycam and now i see us all upside down
[15:44] Bridie Linden: ha

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[15:44] Torley Linden: one other possible thing i can think of...
[15:44] norritt Xi: nvidia doesn't even list it any more on their page I had the

colspan="2"|same problems on my notebook with the GeForce 4 mobile. Finally I had to

colspan="2"|switch to nVidea Omega drivers due to the lack of vendor support.

[15:44] Torley Linden: is that SirOb Voom didn't calibrate SpaceNavigator in the

??? drivers

[15:44] Torley Linden: if you don't calibrate, it can lead to weird jumpiness
[15:44] Torley Linden: or the camera will drift by itself
[15:44] Bridie Linden: Comment please, Torley?
[15:44] Torley Linden: sure :)

colspan="2"|Steve Linden is Online

[15:45] Bridie Linden: Ty!
[15:45] Bridie Linden: Next
[15:45] Bridie Linden: # VWR-7045[c] - Votes: 1 - Copy Selection tool broken in 1.20 RC -
Hypatia Callisto
[15:45] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7045
[15:45] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7045

colspan="2"|Zee Linden is Online

[15:46] Bridie Linden: Looks like this isn't happening anymore...
[15:46] Bridie Linden: I'll resolve
[15:47] Torley Linden: hmmm there is one longtime subtlety with this Copy
Selection... https: //jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4471 i wonder if Hypatia was

colspan="2"|trying to do that


colspan="2"|Zee Linden is Offline

[15:47] Torley Linden: i'll leave a comment...
[15:47] Bridie Linden: Next up
[15:47] Bridie Linden: VWR-7137[c] - Votes: 1 - Viewer Crashes on Quit - Macintosh -

colspan="2"|Jill Linden is Online

[15:47] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7137

colspan="2"|Seraph Linden is Online


colspan="2"|Zee Linden is Online

[15:48] Bridie Linden: Shawna likes brevity
[15:48] Torley Linden: LOL

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[15:48] Torley Linden: hahah terse
[15:48] Torley Linden: i haven't seen this since the early RCs
[15:48] Bri Gufler: There is an attachment.
[15:48] Bridie Linden: u open it Bri :)
[15:48] Torley Linden: it's a log as a word .doc! first time i've seen that :D
[15:48] Gellan Glenelg: it's rc6 from .doc
[15:49] Gellan Glenelg: Version: Second Life version

??? (

[15:49] Bri Gufler: and Leopard 10.5.1
[15:49] Bridie Linden: ATY?
[15:50] Bri Gufler: I haven't seen this on Intel mac for a while
[15:50] norritt Xi: Maybe they thought a "ty" in their Brand name would be more

colspan="2"|polite and changed it Bri ;)


colspan="2"|Periapse Linden is Online

[15:50] norritt Xi: Oh we have a Bri here,
[15:51] norritt Xi: Sorry Bridie then

colspan="2"|Jon Linden is Online

[15:51] Bridie Linden: I don't see crash report for Shawna...

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colspan="2"|Periapse Linden is Offline

[15:52] Squirrel Wood: could it be that that popup dialog was meant that some

colspan="2"|people got? about that dll file... whatsitsname...

[15:52] Bridie Linden: I'll resolve and ask her to reopen if it happens again
[15:52] Bridie Linden: Next
[15:52] Bridie Linden: # VWR-6980[c] - Votes: 1 - crash logger fails to keep "always send"

colspan="2"|setting - Shadow Pidgeon

[15:52] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6980
[15:53] Squirrel Wood: Yes. That crash logger definitely is forgetful
[15:53] Bridie Linden: But i think we fixed our failure to save settings issue...
[15:53] Squirrel Wood: It *does* remember as the checkbox is checked, yet

colspan="2"|decides to ask again


colspan="2"|Lexie Linden is Online

[15:54] norritt Xi: Yes I have the same problem here.

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[15:54] Bridie Linden: ah
[15:54] Squirrel Wood: so I would assume it fails to check whether the checkbox
is checked
[15:54] Harleen Gretzky: I do not have that problem always sends for me
[15:55] Squirrel Wood: or loads the information *after* checking the checkbox

??? status

[15:55] norritt Xi: Did you use the Checkbox of the Crash Logger to enable

colspan="2"|always send or the option in preferences Harleen?

[15:55] Harleen Gretzky: But my preferences are set to always ask, lol
[15:55] Bridie Linden: i'll import
[15:55] Harleen Gretzky: I think I checked the box on the logger itself
[15:56] Bridie Linden: one more for today
[15:56] Bridie Linden: VWR-7292[c] - Votes: 1 - "Failed to load [body part|clothing] ..."

colspan="2"|dialog improperly implies that the content creator is primarily responsible for the ??? error.

[15:56] Bridie Linden: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7292

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colspan="2"|Cheah Linden is Online

[15:56] Torley Linden: Adz's suggested wording is a bit too... wordy but i agree

colspan="2"|providing more details like a link to a KB article would have more useful context,

[15:57] Torley Linden: better than a terse-and-cryptic-and-scary message
[15:57] norritt Xi: Yes agreed that message is really misleading people
[15:57] Torley Linden: sounds like a good Rx thang Bridie
[15:57] Torley Linden: reword this dialog!
[15:57] Bri Gufler: Yeah. Definitely misleading.
[15:57] Bridie Linden: yup, for Rx!
[15:57] Torley Linden: i bet Jon and Erica could handle this nicely

colspan="2"|Bridie Linden nods

[15:57] Bridie Linden: Let's call it a wrap for today!
[15:57] Torley Linden: i'm usually in favor of "Hey, here's a little info. But you can

colspan="2"|also... CLICK TO LEARN MORE!"

[15:57] Torley Linden: w00t
[15:57] Bridie Linden: Thx so much all!
[15:58] Aric Linden: bye
[15:58] Gellan Glenelg: has any thought been given to having more than 2

colspan="2"|triages a wek?

[15:58] Torley Linden: bye Aric!
[15:58] Pastrami Linden: bye
[15:58] Aric Linden: some thought

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[15:58] Bri Gufler: Seeya Aric
[15:58] Torley Linden: cya Pastrami
[15:58] Aric Linden: Gellan, would you be interested in helping with another?
[15:58] Torley Linden: t'care everyone, i'm off meself... *waves and smiles*
[15:58] Bridie Linden: keep your eyes on the blog
[15:58] Gellan Glenelg: absolutely
[15:58] norritt Xi: bye torley!
[15:58] Bridie Linden: Laters!
[15:58] Bri Gufler: Take care everyone. Be well!