Bug triage/2009-06-04/Transcript

Agenda

[2:34] Louise Linden: OK so we'll get started
[2:34] Louise Linden: first up is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13382
[2:34] Louise Linden: Vanishing Regions/Sims
[2:34] Davy Linden: [1]
[2:35] Davy Linden: this looks like a SV issue to m
[2:35] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: I ectually reported the same thign to the Doc team back then
[2:35] Davy Linden: SVC*
[2:35] Louise Linden: yeah, it doesn't strike me as viewer specific
[2:36] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: there were attacks according to them, they had called in Zara Linden so far i know to see whats going on
[2:36] Davy Linden: move to SVC?
[2:36] Shoopin Viper: thats not viewer related
[2:36] Ludmilia Zapedzki: yes, I agree
[2:36] Louise Linden: yes please davy
[2:36] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: the result was probably DDOS attacks
[2:36] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: that's what Kate and Torley told me atleast
[2:37] Qie Niangao: ummm... this reads like the sims are perfectly healthy but the viewer doesn't know
[2:37] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: the Doc team meeting and Kate's meeting were completely gone thanks to that stuff
[2:37] Lares Carter: i have seen vanishing sims before
[2:37] Skills Hak: i think i nnoticed that too
[2:37] Lares Carter: like a week ago, all neighbouring regions disappeared
[2:37] Skills Hak: when you would cross a border you have negative coordinates
[2:37] Louise Linden: OK so we'll move that to Server issue so the right tem can take a look
[2:38] Lares Carter: and after about an hour they reappearer
[2:38] Skills Hak: the sim isnt visible but you can cross the border
[2:38] Skills Hak: you stay in the first region though
[2:38] Shoopin Viper: thats a handoff problem as well
[2:39] Louise Linden: ok so moving on to a viewer issue: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13721
[2:39] Louise Linden: No Shadows rendered in snapshot preview or saved snapshots
[2:39] Skills Hak: i think i saw another jira about that
[2:40] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: looks like the JIRA where body parts are partially/whole invisible
[2:40] Shoopin Viper: that one is viewer related i think
[2:40] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: Bambers Linden also took that one in, i have a feeling its the same bug issue
[2:40] Shoopin Viper: i get that one all the time
[2:40] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: might be worth taking a look at
[2:40] Louise Linden: shadows are a new feature, i believe this one has already been linked to the shadows mate issue
[2:41] Davy Linden: I'll look for duplicates and link appropriately if I find one?
[2:41] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: so far I been told it was a minor bug that was both in the viewer (1.23.1) and the server
[2:41] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: I can try to dupe
[2:42] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i get the same result with invisible body parts when I use tattoo's
[2:42] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i have a feeling it might do the same with shadows
[2:42] Shoopin Viper: my leg is gone now
[2:42] Louise Linden: quite possibly, Shadows are still being worked on, and not completely supported yet
[2:42] Louise Linden: I'm not sure if it's related to body parts though
[2:42] Davy Linden: I don't think it is
[2:43] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: rendering more likely
[2:43] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: but its worth trying
[2:43] Louise Linden: Davy, take a look at the shadow meta issue and see if there are any dupes if not leave as is
[2:43] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: better to exclude it by testing then not knowing for sure
[2:43] Davy Linden: ok
[2:44] Louise Linden: next up is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13278
[2:44] Louise Linden: gstreamer - "Stream contains no data." error for videos/movies
[2:44] Louise Linden: i think this one NMI
[2:45] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: sounds like drivers need to be updated,
[2:45] Louise Linden: one reports states 1.22, and the other is missing viewer info
[2:45] Skills Hak: i believe i saw a related jira with patch
[2:45] Skills Hak: but nmi
[2:46] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: think it might help to try on the new RC and see if it occures there aswell, just to be sure.
[2:46] Davy Linden: ask if it still repros on latest rc / step by step instructions?
[2:46] Louise Linden: Davy, can you ask them tp update drivers, if they still see it to log thier FULL system info
[2:46] Davy Linden: ok
[2:46] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: besides that, would not hurt to install latest drivers
[2:46] Louise Linden: ta!
[2:46] Qie Niangao: yeah, I'd suggest finding out whether it's all media streams, or a particular format (plugin)
[2:46] Ludmilia Zapedzki: A friend had this issue with the latest viewer as well
[2:47] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: knowing which stream it is might help aswell yeah
[2:47] Louise Linden: yes agreed
[2:47] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: could be the stream itself, send the person(s) to Torley's island and let them try there
[2:47] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: enough vids there to test
[2:48] Louise Linden: yup
[2:48] Louise Linden: so next appears to be another shadows issue https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13372
[2:48] Louise Linden: Alpha textures flicker and vanish with shadows enabled
[2:48] Louise Linden: we had asked for more infor a few weeks ago, which we now have
[2:49] Davy Linden: last tim we saw this, I asked for more environment info... we seem to have that
[2:49] Louise Linden: yes quiet a few of them
[2:50] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: sounds like graphical issues, driver update may solve it. When i first had this pc i had the same problem
[2:50] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: update for drivers solved it
[2:50] Louise Linden: I believe some people have tried updating and are still seeing the issue
[2:50] Louise Linden: I think we should import this one and go investigate
[2:51] Davy Linden: ok
[2:51] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: did they try to empty the cache and a clean install?
[2:51] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: hi DMC
[2:52] DMC Zsigmond: hi a little late
[2:52] Louise Linden: no worries
[2:52] Louise Linden: moving on we have https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12985
[2:52] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: your welcome here anyways :) no worries :)
[2:52] Louise Linden: You can open IM window to objects
[2:53] Skills Hak: thats silly haha
[2:53] Louise Linden: looks like we've all just repro's that one!
[2:54] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: lmao, its funny
[2:54] Davy Linden: import for triage?
[2:54] Louise Linden: not sure that the most 'useful' feature...
[2:54] Louise Linden: yes please davy!
[2:54] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: thing that needs to be checked out
[2:54] Skills Hak: indeed :)
[2:54] Skills Hak: lindens in god mode shouldnt show up there either
[2:54] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
[2:55] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i can not dupe it
[2:55] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: im on the latest nightly
[2:56] Louise Linden: ok so next is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8438
[2:56] Louise Linden: while opening a few purchases the folders went above the "my inventory" line and they cant be moved, when I try I crash
[2:56] Louise Linden: This is an old bug :(
[2:56] Skills Hak: yes happened to me many times
[2:57] Louise Linden: I believe I;ve seen this in our interbal jira recently
[2:57] Skills Hak: inventory is a very nasty piece of code
[2:57] Louise Linden: *internal
[2:57] Louise Linden: Davy can we track that down and link them up so people know we're working on it?
[2:57] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: this person needs to get the latest RC and try it again, if it still happens, we got more info about it
[2:57] Davy Linden: kk
[2:57] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: 1.20 is obsolete now :(
[2:57] Skills Hak: it happened on 1.23 too
[2:58] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: which 1.23?
[2:58] Ludmilia Zapedzki: can be related with the empty folder you can't delete, in the inventory
[2:58] Louise Linden: yeah, we're aware this one still keeps popping up, it's already being looked into, so we'll mark it as such
[2:58] Ludmilia Zapedzki: ?
[2:59] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: agreed Louise
[3:00] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: ow, look at first comment, i quote "Typically clearing cache will fix this, "
[3:00] Skills Hak: yes it does
[3:00] Louise Linden: next is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-10690
[3:00] Louise Linden: shouts: Windowed SL. maximizing window lets HUD objects go partially offscreen
[3:01] Skills Hak: i think thats related to the ratio
[3:01] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: I noticed the same with 1.23 (any), snowglobe and any nightly
[3:01] Louise Linden: hmm didn't mean to 'shout' that!
[3:02] Louise Linden: youri, could you add a comment to that to say you're having the same issue and add your system info please?
[3:02] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: I did not think much of it tho, i dont use full screen besides testing purpuses
[3:02] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: ill do that right away
[3:02] Qie Niangao: well, this isn't full-screen mode, right? it's maximized window?
[3:03] Skills Hak: happens on both modes
[3:03] Skills Hak: i have another screen rotated by 90
[3:03] Skills Hak: and when the window is higher than wide the huds are stretched in an odd way
[3:03] Qie Niangao: I'm liking the suggestion that it may be related to the aspect ratio of the window (or screen, I guess)
[3:04] Skills Hak: but their positions dont move so i would almost say this is expected behaviour
[3:04] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: posted
[3:05] Louise Linden: thanks
[3:05] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: np
[3:05] Louise Linden: I think this one should be imported to QA so we can go and take a look
[3:05] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: good idea
[3:05] Davy Linden: ok
[3:05] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: we all could use a lot more info on that one
[3:06] Louise Linden: yup we'll go and investigate and see if that's intentional or a legit bug
[3:06] Louise Linden: so next we have https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12905
[3:06] Louise Linden: shouts: Simulator's Type isn't visible in the "My land" section
[3:06] Louise Linden: hmm I think I tested the fix for that, it should be in RC3 I think
[3:06] Skills Hak: yes
[3:07] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: server bug?
[3:07] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: could be as simple as that
[3:07] Louise Linden: server and viewer, but it's been fixed already
[3:07] Davy Linden: if it's fixed already, I can link to the existing bug
[3:07] Louise Linden: please, then mark as fixed
[3:08] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: clear cache, then it should be all done then.
[3:08] Louise Linden: Youri, this was am actual bug
[3:08] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i know, dont worry :)
[3:09] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: been marked as fixed in last comment aswell
[3:09] Louise Linden: next up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12976
[3:09] Louise Linden: 1.23 search wont save adult settings on any tab but events
[3:09] Louise Linden: looks like Dessie linden has tried and failed to repro this one already
[3:10] Louise Linden: Ask the reported to check against latest build?
[3:11] Davy Linden: ok
[3:11] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: trying to dupe it
[3:11] Louise Linden: it was reported against RC0 so might not still be an issue
[3:11] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: ill try to dupe it after this meeting
[3:11] Qie Niangao: that "still happens" as of 20 May might be a newer version
[3:11] Louise Linden: ok, if you manage can you add to the report please?
[3:12] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i got about 4 different official viewers
[3:12] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i will
[3:12] Ludmilia Zapedzki: I'll try too
[3:13] Louise Linden: Youri, the ones we're really looking for a repro in are the official RC (RC3) the most recent PN or the official release 1.22.11
[3:13] Louise Linden: don't worry about others for now
[3:13] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: okay, ill get the 1.21 updated to 1.23RC
[3:14] Louise Linden: cool
[3:14] Louise Linden: next we have https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13070
[3:14] Louise Linden: Communicate window
[3:15] Louise Linden: I'm not sure what the issue is here. If they don't have voice enabled then they won't see anyone in that window
[3:15] Skills Hak: expected behaviour i guess?
[3:15] Louise Linden: yes i think so
[3:15] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: should be espected
[3:15] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: should not play up by default
[3:16] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i like to know the question about the double soundcards aswell tho
[3:16] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: in that case, no wonder
[3:17] Qie Niangao: oh hmmm... I'm not sure that's the problem. Seems they may be saying that they don't see just their own name in the list?
[3:18] Skills Hak: my name shows with voice off too
[3:18] Louise Linden: yeah, the bug report isn;t very clear as to the specific issue
[3:18] Skills Hak: even when im alone
[3:18] Davy Linden: that's how I read it, Qie
[3:18] Skills Hak: i think the actual bug is, that sometimes there doesnt show any name at all
[3:18] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: ah okay, then i misunderstood in that case
[3:19] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: still... 2 soundcards may be a problem
[3:19] Louise Linden: maybe NMI, and ask for clarification as to what exactly they are reporting
[3:19] Davy Linden: ok
[3:19] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: agreed
[3:20] Louise Linden: next up is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13090
[3:20] Louise Linden: Viewer occasionally switches texture and sculpt map info
[3:20] Louise Linden: looks like the reported hasn't seen this in a while
[3:21] Davy Linden: NMI / try RC3?
[3:21] Skills Hak: could be corrupted cache
[3:21] Louise Linden: I'm not sure it even needs that
[3:21] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: clear cache and try RC3
[3:21] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: save to say i guess
[3:22] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: perhaps even clean install
[3:22] Louise Linden: she hasn't been able to see it since she reported it, so i think maybe close it, but leave a comment to repopen if it's seen in RC3+
[3:22] Davy Linden: ok I'll mark as CNR
[3:22] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: Q&A just in case for RC3
[3:23] Louise Linden: next is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13174
[3:23] Louise Linden: Unable to Open a Conference Chat to my Calling Card Folder
[3:23] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: perhaps there are more peopel that seen it happen
[3:24] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i just duped that one, happens to me aswell
[3:24] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: unable to get group converance window
[3:25] Skills Hak: well if you select offline CCs you cant
[3:25] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: second try just now with 2 persons, does work now
[3:25] Skills Hak: if all the selected items are online you should be able to start it
[3:25] Skills Hak: they must have had an offline one in the selection maybe
[3:25] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: 3th try also no fail
[3:26] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i know what can and can not be done Skills ;)
[3:26] Louise Linden: I think the issue being reported it that you can't right click on the top level of your calling cards folder and start a conference call,
[3:26] Louise Linden: but that you can only do it to sub folders
[3:27] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: i think however Skills has a point, this person might have tried on all people instead of only the online ones
[3:27] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: think asking this could help out
[3:28] Louise Linden: I don't think thats the issue they are reporting
[3:28] Louise Linden: teh option to start a conference call from the calling cards top level folder has gone in 1.23 (from 1,22)
[3:29] Louise Linden: I'm unsure if that's an intentional change though
[3:29] Qie Niangao: Right: this seems like an error, unless somebody wants to explain why it's a feature.
[3:29] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: any suggestions then?
[3:29] Louise Linden: Davy can we go and take a look at the release note and investigate
[3:29] Davy Linden: will do
[3:30] Louise Linden: it's either a bug, or a change that wasn't documented in the knowledge base yet
[3:30] Louise Linden: right guys and girls (and robots!) times up!
[3:30] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: lol
[3:30] Davy Linden: thanks all
[3:30] Tree Kyomoonri: Ashton: awws, too bad
[3:30] Louise Linden: Thanks so much for turning up

Bug triage/2009-06-04/Transcript

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