Mesh/Archive/2012-06-04

Agenda

1. Even if it makes the stitch of the road into the taper, it is still bumpy. [Yuzuru Jewell] 11:51, 29 May 2012 (SLT)
2. Mesh objects lose their static bonus when scripted; for link sets, all objects in the link set lose their bonus even if only one of the objects contains a script. This is a major issue when distributing larger builds in a rezzer box, for example -- since all the rezzed parts must be scripted the (temporary) land impact can practically double, thus exceeding the parcel limit and rendering the build unusable. Would it be possible to only penalize the objects that actually are scripted? One could argue that this is a more accurate way of determining server load. Other solutions, such as "temporary" class of scripts may be possible, but I imagine that would require viewer changes; simply modifying the static bonus logic should be a server-side-only solution. Cain Maven

Meeting Notes

Attendees List

• Abel Dreamscape (abel.dreamscape)
• Ameshin Yossarian -Not Support- (ameshin.yossarian)
• Asha (ashasekayi.ra)
• Cale Flanagan (cale.flanagan)
• Drongle McMahon (drongle.mcmahon)
• Geenz Spad (geenz.spad)
• JIRA-helper (jira-helper)
• Jonie Fearsum (jonie.fearsum)
• kaizersem Tenk (kaizersem.tenk)
• Kopilo Hallard (kopilo.hallard)
• Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)
• Motor Loon (motor.loon) (User's Wiki Page)
• Myronx Zemenis (myronx.zemenis)
• Nal (nalates.urriah)
• Nyx Linden (nyx.linden) (User's Wiki Page)
• Paco Pooley (paco.pooley)
• Robin Lobo (robin.lobo)
• Second Life (second.life)
• Shiro Zapatero (shiro.zapatero)
• Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks (tankmaster.finesmith)
• Tiberious Neruda (tiberious.neruda)
• Timmi Allen (timmi.allen)
• Vincent Nacon (vincent.nacon) (User's Wiki Page)
• Vivienne Daguerre (vivienne.daguerre)
• WickedWanda (wickedwanda.blackheart)
• Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)
• Zaggs (zaggs)

Transcript for Monday June 4, 2012

[11:58]	Nyx Linden	greetings all
[11:58]	Vincent Nacon	heya
[11:58]	Motor Loon	ey Nyx
[11:58]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Hiya Nyx :)
[11:58]	WickedWanda (wickedwanda.blackheart)	Hi Nyx
[11:58]	Paco Pooley	heyas nyx
[11:59]	kaizersem Tenk	hi
[11:59]	Timmi Allen	hi nyx
[11:59]	Nyx Linden	agenda is here, feel free to add topics: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Content_Creation/Mesh_Import_User_Group
[12:01]	Nyx Linden	shall we get started?
[12:01]	Motor Loon	ready when you are
[12:01]	Paco Pooley	yush
[12:01]	Vincent Nacon	no, we have to wait for Philip Linden... (of course, go ahead)
[12:01]	Ameshin Yossarian -Not Support- (ameshin.yossarian)	/me nods
[12:01]	Nyx Linden	topic 1: "Even if it makes the stitch of the road into the taper, it is still bumpy. [Yuzuru Jewell] 11:51, 29 May 2012 (SLT)"
[12:02]	Vincent Nacon	she's not even here
[12:03]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Yuzuru is a guy. lol
[12:03]	Vincent Nacon	ok he's not here
[12:03]	Motor Loon	°͜°
[12:03]	Timmi Allen	:))
[12:03]	Vincent Nacon	:P
[12:03]	Nyx Linden	I believe this is in reference to Yuzuru's road that was longer than the maximum primitive size, when you put them end to end it would cause vehicles to bump at the seams
[12:03]	Vincent Nacon	yup and they do, even on mesh
[12:03]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	/me nods.
[12:03]	Shiro Zapatero	Hey everybody
[12:04]	Tiberious Neruda	yeah, it's a continuation of the item from last week
[12:04]	Vincent Nacon	but that's more related to physic than mesh or prim itself
[12:04]	Motor Loon	more a physics problem than a mesh problem really
[12:04]	Shiro Zapatero	I have a question for everybody
[12:04]	Vincent Nacon	so he's asking the question to the wrong person
[12:04]	Nyx Linden	still a valid topic but would help to have yuzuru here with examples
[12:04]	Vincent Nacon	only if he was here
[12:04]	Vincent Nacon	next!
[12:04]	Motor Loon	we'll take it next time then
[12:05]	Nyx Linden	so, moving on
[12:05]	Nyx Linden	next topic: "Mesh objects lose their static bonus when scripted; for link sets, all objects in the link set lose their bonus even if only one of the objects contains a script. This is a major issue when distributing larger builds in a rezzer box, for example -- since all the rezzed parts must be scripted the (temporary) land impact can practically double, thus exceeding the parcel limit and rendering the build unusable. Would it be possible to only penalize the objects that actually are scripted? One could argue that this is a more accurate way of determining server load. Other solutions, such as "temporary" class of scripts may be possible, but I imagine that would require viewer changes; simply modifying the static bonus logic should be a server-side-only solution. Cain Maven"
[12:05]	Nyx Linden	in a word, no.
[12:05]	Motor Loon	expected behavior
[12:05]	Motor Loon	and it will change a bit after PF hits rollout
[12:06]	Vincent Nacon	still a problem for house rezzers
[12:06]	Nyx Linden	a slightly more in depth answer, once a single prim in a linkset is scripted, that single script can cause properties in any prim in the linkset to be changed
[12:06]	Shiro Zapatero	What the hell is LL doing to prevent the new bug that gives griefers the ability to tp random people to a sim that they dont want to be in.
[12:06]	Shiro Zapatero	?
[12:06]	Motor Loon	a whole house thats not scripted at all?
[12:06]	Motor Loon	seems unlikely eh
[12:06]	Vincent Nacon	I mean what if home owners wanted a new mesh house in his/her small parcel but can't rez because of the script?
[12:06]	Nyx Linden	thus our services have to treat every linkset with even a single script as "dynamic"
[12:06]	Shiro Zapatero	OH nvm..its a talk about mesh items
[12:07]	Motor Loon	wrong usergroup Shiro
[12:07]	Nyx Linden	content creators usergroup, any content creation topics are welcome here
[12:07]	Nyx Linden	if you have concerns about security bugs please file a SEC jira and/or ping me privately
[12:07]	Motor Loon	if a script in the mesh house cases a problem, then dont use a rezzing system
[12:08]	Vincent Nacon	and Shiro... that's currently in closed beta, it's still in progress.
[12:08]	Vincent Nacon	and no one is allowed to talk about it because of the NDA form
[12:08]	Vincent Nacon	you're gonna have to wait
[12:09]	Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)	Vincent llTeleportAgent is on RC Magnum
[12:09]	Vincent Nacon	it is?
[12:09]	Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)	yeah
[12:09]	Vincent Nacon	ah well... then that's good
[12:09]	Nyx Linden	so any questions on topic #2?
[12:10]	Vincent Nacon	yeah... can we ditch the server cost?
[12:10]	Vincent Nacon	:P
[12:10]	Nyx Linden	nope!
[12:10]	Motor Loon	it really does get better with the new mesh accounting comming with pathfinding
[12:10]	Vincent Nacon	careful... you're a little person there
[12:10]	Nyx Linden	new pathfinding accounting is subject to change, but it could help in this scenario.
[12:11]	Vincent Nacon	oh I know
[12:11]	Nyx Linden	alright, quickest usergroup meeting ever. Anyone read any good books lately? :D
[12:11]	Vincent Nacon	still annoyance
[12:11]	Robin Lobo	lol
[12:11]	Tiberious Neruda	o.O
[12:11]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	what the?
[12:11]	Paco Pooley	what the freck?
[12:11]	Tiberious Neruda	[12:11] Second Life: You have been teleported by the object 'Object' on the parcel 'Pooley Stage'.
[12:11]	Kopilo Hallard	nyx mind turning scripts off on the parcel?
[12:11]	Kopilo Hallard	that's someone being a tool
[12:11]	Paco Pooley	yeah
[12:12]	Robin Lobo	somebody tried to tp us all
[12:12]	Paco Pooley	turn script off
[12:19]	Nyx Linden	apologies all. turning off object entry and scripts for now. We're aware of the issue and are hunting it down
[12:19]	Motor Loon	excellent
[12:19]	Kopilo Hallard	thanks
[12:19]	Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)	the pooley sim (neighbouring sim) is RC Magnum
[12:19]	Nyx Linden	and yes I know the object was not in my parcel, but cleaning up here just in case
[12:19]	Vincent Nacon	yeah
[12:19]	Motor Loon	yeah we have to keep an eye on that Vincent greifer guy °͜°
[12:19]	Nyx Linden	/me would rather be safe than sorry - I clean up the parcel on regular occasion anyways
[12:19]	Tiberious Neruda	I hope the little mr. Fremont wannabe gets a swift boot from the grid...
[12:20]	Robin Lobo	lol @ loon
[12:20]	Motor Loon	hehe
[12:20]	Abel Dreamscape	nyx i do have 2 questions ..would you rather me post on the site first?
[12:20]	Vincent Nacon	I always clean up after myself... just thought it was strange that I had something rezzed here
[12:21]	Shiro Zapatero	I hope LL fixes this tp thing soon
[12:21]	Drongle McMahon	Sorry I'm late. If anyone want to give me a transcript-so-far, I would be happy :-)
[12:21]	Tiberious Neruda	and when I relogged at CF, I found a number of other people who's also been wished away
[12:21]	Vivienne Daguerre	We are back from the corn field... :P
[12:22]	Motor Loon	haha if only
[12:22]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	You missed the field trip Drongle. :p
[12:22]	Motor Loon	anythings better than orientation island
[12:22]	Vincent Nacon	I was at help island with Motor
[12:22]	Nyx Linden	topic 1 is waiting on Yuzuru to bring an example, topic 2 we explained why any linkset with even one script is always considered "dynamic"
[12:22]	Vincent Nacon	and Mikki
[12:22]	Motor Loon	and 200 nutty spanish noobs
[12:22]	Nyx Linden	then we broke early for a field trip to the cornfield
[12:22]	Vincent Nacon	muhaha!
[12:22]	Paco Pooley	LOL
[12:22]	Robin Lobo	lol
[12:22]	Second Life	Now leaving god mode, level 150
[12:22]	Vincent Nacon	I thought it was Nyx teleporting us elsewhere
[12:22]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	We did the COrnfield trip from Kelly's meeting.
[12:23]	Timmi Allen	What were these lousy times, when we had another 14 topics.
[12:32]	Nyx Linden	sorry about that guys
[12:32]	Tiberious Neruda	did you get the object, Nyx?
[12:32]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	:)
[12:32]	Geenz Spad	fun times
[12:32]	Ameshin Yossarian -Not Support- (ameshin.yossarian)	=^.^=
[12:32]	Nyx Linden	are there any further topics for today?
[12:32]	Motor Loon	Think we've had enough fun for one day °͜°
[12:32]	Vincent Nacon	where were we?
[12:32]	Cale Flanagan	setting the vehicle to not owner only in the cornfield maybe?
[12:32]	Tiberious Neruda	yeah... subtitle this week's meeting 'To Hell and Back' :√û
[12:33]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Some said they had 2 questions to add before the cornfield.
[12:33]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	*Someone
[12:33]	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks (tankmaster.finesmith)	im with cale, make that tractor ridable by everyone :P
[12:33]	Drongle McMahon	Nyx, did you show Falcon my question about physics weights?
[12:34]	Nyx Linden	yes, he said it would take him a while to digest
[12:34]	Cale Flanagan	@tank:maybe needs a jira:)
[12:34]	Drongle McMahon	ok
[12:34]	Motor Loon	Sounds like Falcon...
[12:34]	Nyx Linden	apologies for the confusion this week, we will get things cleaned up.
[12:35]	Vincent Nacon	I demand a free sim or I'll sue!
[12:35]	Vincent Nacon	:P
[12:35]	Motor Loon	hah
[12:35]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	/me snorts
[12:35]	Nyx Linden	/me can offer a cookie instead? :)
[12:36]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	I'll take a unicorn, Nyx.
[12:36]	Tiberious Neruda	Yuzuru!
[12:36]	Vincent Nacon	I'll sue for mental damages that I had to see and hear newbies at help island think they're in hot spot for picking up girls.
[12:36]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Heya Yuzuru :)
[12:36]	Nyx Linden	fresh out of Unicorns I'm afraid
[12:36]	Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)	I bet it was some noob in the adjacent (RC Magnum) region who got a tool from a 'friend' and just tried/rezzed it
[12:36]	Motor Loon	oh there's question #1
[12:36]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	Well...blechh...
[12:36]	Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)	(there's an infohub)
[12:36]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	Hello. I am too late..
[12:36]	Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)	ah hi Yuzuru
[12:36]	Tiberious Neruda	n, not yet
[12:36]	Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)	you missed the fun
[12:36]	Paco Pooley	well it is my first meeting and i guess it has been asked before - but is there a way to make the mesh uploader more stabel - it crashed on me every second upload which is a drag when you have to upluad 5 standard sizes per clothing :-P
[12:37]	Asha (ashasekayi.ra)	You didn't miss much Yuzuru.
[12:37]	Timmi Allen	hi Yuzuru
[12:37]	Nyx Linden	we were wrapping up, but I would like to see an example of your roads at some point
[12:37]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	OK Please wait..
[12:37]	Nyx Linden	do submit crash reports Paco, and if you can reproduce such a crash, then logs would help as well (in a JIRA)
[12:37]	Motor Loon	hehe impatient little guy °͜°
[12:38]	Vincent Nacon	it can be any kind of road... just make two boxes touches each other on the side and drive on top of it
[12:38]	Nyx Linden	does this happen even if you use box prims?
[12:38]	Vincent Nacon	the bump is coming from edge collision
[12:38]	Nyx Linden	or is it mesh-specific?
[12:38]	Vincent Nacon	it's not just box or mesh, it's the polygon in Havok engine
[12:39]	Vincent Nacon	the physic doesn't react to back side of a polygon, only on front face
[12:39]	Vincent Nacon	but when coming to collide on the side of the polygon face, it bumps
[12:40]	Vincent Nacon	because it's kinda confused wether you should bump from backside or the front side
[12:40]	Vincent Nacon	since polygon is only 2D
[12:40]	Nyx Linden	are you decomposing your physics shapes?
[12:40]	Vincent Nacon	it doesn't matter what shape they are
[12:40]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	I can't Rez it.. Why?
[12:40]	Nyx Linden	doing so would make them volumes instead of triangles
[12:41]	Tiberious Neruda	we had build turned off because of a griefer attack
[12:41]	Vincent Nacon	it's an issue with havok engine
[12:41]	Nyx Linden	I turned off rezzing for today - we were having issues with griefers.
[12:41]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	owner does not allow it..
[12:41]	Cale Flanagan	is the tp object working as attachment?
[12:41]	Tiberious Neruda	I think it is
[12:41]	Cale Flanagan	then no build is no help
[12:42]	Tiberious Neruda	we got TPed away TWICE, remember?
[12:42]	Motor Loon	and from another parcel °͜°
[12:42]	Tiberious Neruda	yep
[12:42]	Cale Flanagan	yeah.. just before i took picture, but i could tp back to the field (tought you cant tp in there)
[12:43]	Nyx Linden	yuzuru - is there a jira for this? I'd like to get other lindens to take a look at your roads as well (please include a slurl)
[12:43]	Nal (nalates.urriah)	You can tp out of Cornfield today... they enabled tp
[12:43]	kaizersem Tenk	i have a question too, i started a vehicle today, the base mesh is symetric, i separate it in 2 part (exactly the same part but mirrored), and the prims count of each symetrical part is not the same
[12:43]	Tiberious Neruda	otherwise, all they'd be doing is supporting requests to get out of the field
[12:44]	Cale Flanagan	ah..., ok
[12:44]	Second Life	There is no suitable surface to sit on, try another spot.
[12:44]	Zaggs	hey guys how are you?
[12:44]	Cale Flanagan	(it will show up in the top dests i guess)
[12:44]	Tiberious Neruda	LOL!
[12:44]	Kopilo Hallard	night all
[12:44]	Motor Loon	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2006
[12:44]	Myronx Zemenis	hi
[12:44]	JIRA-helper	[#SVC-2006] Spheres bounce when rolling over flat seams in Havok 4. - Second Life Bug Tracker
[12:44]	Vincent Nacon	I think that mesh road Yuzuru was wearing cashed me
[12:44]	Motor Loon	probably related
[12:45]	Vincent Nacon	again... that bump is havok engine related issue on edge collision
[12:45]	Martin RJ (martinrj.fayray)	what a day
[12:45]	Nyx Linden	please fly up if you'd like to attach large objects
[12:45]	Motor Loon	come on stop attaching the big prims eh
[12:45]	Vincent Nacon	since it rolls around on its own edges in sphere
[12:46]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	I tested these.. I can't rez them..
[12:46]	Motor Loon	no you cant rez them when build it off
[12:46]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	I think they are concerned to that.
[12:47]	Tiberious Neruda	LOL!
[12:47]	Tiberious Neruda	http://secondlife.com/destination/the-corn-field
[12:47]	Nyx Linden	ok, I think that's all we have for today. Yuzuru I'll ask around a bit internally. If you have your roads set up somewhere please send me a SLURL
[12:47]	Tiberious Neruda	it DID make the guide, apparently
[12:48]	Cale Flanagan	great:)
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[12:48]	Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell)	OK. I will
[12:48]	Nyx Linden	thanks for coming out everyone! Next week should be calmer

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