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'''BLUE’S OFFICE HOUR. '''


'''Topic: SOCIAL NETWORKING IN SL'''
'''Wednesday, February 06, 2008,'''
'''<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>You: we'll be talking about social networking in SL'''
<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>You: and how people use social networking tools elsewhere....things like facebook, myspace, linkedin etc
<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>You: so, welcome everyone, thanks for stopping by today :)
<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>You: anyone who's been in a large group in SL....
<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>You: is likely aware that group communication tools are a bit limited
<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>You: we are looking at ways to expand the functionality of communication tools and find ways to make networking eaiser in SL
<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: are you thinking of doing that by linking with other exisiting networking sites
<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>You: I'm one of the Lindens in the SL Mentors group and it's limits are evident ;p
<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>You: things like role-specific chat channels would help a lot I think
<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: yes very much
<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>You: but yeah, how do we go beyond just tweaking what we have now
<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>You: what's a Best Case Scenario for social tools in SL
<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>You: And Jezzie, that could be cool
<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>You: sort of like Trillian perhaps...which I use to keep track of a half dozen IM clients and IRC
<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>You: instead of having to open up 6 different programs
<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>You: I'd love to get my AIM and Yahoo IMs here in SL
<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: what would be really great as far as group function is the ability to link with a outside source that provides email, calender and photo
<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Marcelezza Caproni: that would be great!
<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Garn Conover: that would be
<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Gellan Glenelg: I wonder if part of the problem is that, with so many different communication methods available, people are confused about how each should be used. I know the mentor channel has guidelines, but a lot of people don't seem to understand/follow them :(
<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>You: hehe, that's always an issue Gellan ;p
<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>You: many mentors with strong opinions on channel use
'''<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>You: what other tools do people here use'''
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>You: is everyone on facebook?
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: i use SLeek to acces sl during the day from my office
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Garn Conover has yet to sucum but is a myspacer hehe
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Gellan Glenelg: I have no intention of sharing rl info on facebook :)
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: recently one of the mentors tried to set up a group with either google or yahoo. this was in order to have a committee function better. It became impossible because many of the committee could not use one or the other
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>You: I've signed up for a few to see if they have any value to me
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>stampshady Grimm: facebook, myspace, pawned yes and a few others
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Carl Metropolitan: I use email.
<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Carl Metropolitan: That's it.
<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Marcelezza Caproni: I use orkut
<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Marcelezza Caproni: It is pretty much like myspace
<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Marcelezza Caproni: but veeeery popular here in brasil
<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Marcelezza Caproni: people use it alot here for rl networking
<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Marcelezza Caproni: and for sl as well
<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Garn Conover: i got myspace jsut because it was somethign to script when i was in school lol
<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Taryn London: I use flickr for most my external SL communication, and Slprofiles.com
<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>You: so not as much facebook as I thought
<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Taryn London: slprofiles is cool because it's made for SL, and the admin is very open to new suggestions
<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>You: seems like people are always telling me to get on facebook ;p
<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Taryn London: I use facebook, but not for anything SL related.
<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: facebook is great, but it seems that everyone there is all about employement ops
<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: Google calendar is another one that I use
<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Taryn London nods... I use google documents a lot.
<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: i also use google calender and i wish the vteam would keep theirs upto date
<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>You: lol Jezzie :) I'll definitely harass them about that!
'''<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>You: do you end up choosing a social network platform more for the features or more for people you know'''
<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Taryn London: a bit of both, for me, Blue
<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Marcelezza Caproni: For the people I know, in my case
<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Taryn London: features first, if the features are good, the people will generally follow.
<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: i think it's about what you are interested in
<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: myspace is very much about music
<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: flickr is of course photos
<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: facebook is education/ employement
<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: yes more for the people i know and the groups im in
<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Garn Conover: googles got sokme nice stuff
<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: problem is its one more account and one more password to keep track of
'''<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>You: what aspects of these sites is most valuable to you?'''
<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: i like finding out what ppl think is great about sl
<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: a group of my friend keep a blog about cultural places in sl
<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>You: oh that's cool Jezzie
<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: mostly just sharing similar interests ….. oh we should add Forums too
<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: lots of social networking in the Forums
<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>You: so maybe SL needs a better way for people to share picks
<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>You: I think picks are a pretty well used part of profiles
<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Taryn London: I hear you on that one, BLue. I changed my status to say I didn't want to be bothered with stupid application invites, and then I unfriended anyone who sent them anyway :P THey can be such a pain!
<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>You: and used for many reasons
<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Taryn London: <nowiki>*More* Picks.</nowiki> I have more than 10 things I love in SL :P
<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Taryn London: We need MORE picks.
<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>You: yeah, good point
<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: horizontal tabs too?
<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Jezzie McCellan: see that is one thing i like about FLickr, you can add someone to your list without being added to theirs
<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Garn Conover: yea help areas take up a lot of space
<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>You: or maybe Picks Categories Dimitrio?
<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: yeah
<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>You: friends, places, things, etc etc
<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Taryn London: Picks categories would be great
<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Garn Conover: catagories would be nice
<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>You: perhaps a HTML category to link out to web stuff that's cool or helpful
<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>You: like the web tab, only more specific
<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: yes web space lots and lots of webspace
<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: places, friends, enemies, slaves, song lyrics, instructions on why the person is too important to IM
<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: :D
<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>You: that would be helpful to folks who have trouble opening SL and browser at the same time
<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: so maybe the social networking tool could be the Profile
<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: or a part of the profile feature
<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>You: well, social networking seems to include the Communication window in some respects
<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Taryn London: Expanded web tab as well. Even without the html.. at least a spot for say, 5 favorite websites.
'''<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>You: so expanding picks is on the "must-have" list then'''
'''<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>You: what about plugins....'''
<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>You: would anyone here bother to try to program their own SL plugins if we had an API for that?
<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: I'm sure lots would be made and sold
<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Taryn London: I know people that would do that, Blue. Not myself personally, but lots of people I know would.
<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>You: perhaps they'd be like sculpties....rare at first then becoming common
<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>You: as people provide easier ways to make them
<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Taryn London: and someone could make an external application to help people to make their own plug-ins
<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Taryn London: kind of like sculptypaint
'''<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>You: so if compatibility was mentioned earlier....'''
'''<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>You: which 3rd party tools does SL need to be compatible with'''
<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>You: major IM clients perhaps?
<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Carl Metropolitan: Skype is very popular.
<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Taryn London: yes, and flickr, slprofiles
'''<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Taryn London: What about SL internal email.. notecards can be a pain in the a** and IM's getting capped all the time...'''
<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>You: oh dear yes lol
<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Carl Metropolitan: That would be extremely useful!
<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>You: my kingdom under the sea for FONTS and formatting
<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: ooooh fonts :)
<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Taryn London: *or* just a higher IM cap, or make it so group notices are seperate from IM in the capping system.
<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Taryn London: Mmmm fonts :)
<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Taryn London: underlines..
<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: Comic Sans :))
<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Taryn London: ITALICS!!! :D
<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>You: anything true type :D
<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: wing dings
<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>You: yeah, we need the text equivalent of Windlight ;)
<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Garn Conover: ahha DaQ
<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: don't forget flashing red size 72 text for when you need to alert all your groups not to accept an object because it's a virus :P
<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>You: what about a mailbox Taryn, instead of IM caps
<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Taryn London: mailbox for..IM's? Notecards?
<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>You: you log on and have 1 blue box saying....32 IMs, 3 group invites, 5 objects, 8 textures etc
<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Taryn London: Can't count how many times I've declined something important, trying to quickly go through all offline notices...
<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>You: I'd think a tab in communication window perhaps to access stored messages, invites etc the way IMs are currently
<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: you cna go back into notices and get them again
<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: the notice retains attachments
<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>You: so you're not keen on the idea doc?
<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Taryn London: Yes, but I am click happy, and I mean the ones where someone sends you something directly.
<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Taryn London: Or you decline a group invite you needed to take..
<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: you know me blue if it work I like it but willing to try something else and say nay or yea
<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>You: perhaps central mailbox gets lower priority from this group
<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: maybe that could be worked around by having buttons not occupy the same position for different types of dropdown?
<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Taryn London: I"d like central mailbox.
<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: count me as a YES on cental Mailbox
<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: I get so many notices in a day its amazing
<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>You: i get a large number of DINGs when I log in hehe
<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: blue I ding you now and then
<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: oh my was that bad?
<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Garn Conover: *nods* and maybe a filter for future? ie stuff from friends and select groups show 1st
<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>You: it's not so bad ;p
<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>You: the sheer volume is the problem
<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>You: and IM caps :\
<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: yes I know
<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: and here is my fantasy when you got a screen full of flashing IMs they do not go all the way east but slive under the other ones in row 2
<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: ooooohhh ahhhhh yea
<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Taryn London: YES!!!
<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>You: oh, not bad Doc
<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Taryn London: Doc, for sure.
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: they just tab under
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: and you can SEE them
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>stampshady Grimm: i think the mail would be great if it had some sort of filter options junk folder for non freind list of group stuff
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: often I miss an Im because I have 30 going
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Garn Conover: maybe have offline msgs go to email (if checked) but not save them for log in
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>You: Hmmmm that's interesting Garn
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: my Ims go mentor mentor mentor mentor group mentor wife mentor mentor
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: or maybe have new IMs slide into row 2 for a few seconds to let you know they exist
<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: and then all the way east
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Taryn London: or two seperate windows for group IM's and personal IM's
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Garn Conover: becuase i read everythign in the email 1st, then log in and see it all again
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Taryn London: Yeah, I do that too
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: so this system will say you have notices and you have offline Ims is that what it would entail
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Garn Conover: that could cut some space
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: central mail
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: It's annoying when somebody IM you with "hi" "hello?" "are you there?" "hello?" "nevermind" and that alone caps your IMs for the day
'''<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>You: are there IM/group chat tools in other applications that have features we need?'''
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>You: offhand I haven't been able to think of anything in specific
<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: you mean frm another program
<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>stampshady Grimm: yes filters for incomming stuff
<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>You: oh filters...hmmm
<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: I want SL instant messenger for when I am having a RL
<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Taryn London: customized sound alerts for different people, groups etc.
<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: yes mentor group should have the ICQ sound UH OH
<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>You: ahhhh...ability to lose the DING DING in favor of ringtones ;p
<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Taryn London: so I dont come running back to the PC from the bathroom just to find Mental Mentors going crazy again.
<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>stampshady Grimm: many in SL do not want invites or random spamming from non friends or even radom group invites
<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>You: I think you can block people not on friends list?
<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Garn Conover: not messages but that would be something to do
<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Taryn London: Yup, you can mute anyone, but you'd have to mute *everyone* in advance in order to not get ANY random spam..
<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>You: oh, you can block voice from those not on friends list, but not object/group offers or IMs
<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>You: right
<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>You: okay that's a good point
<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Garn Conover: you can limit your online visability, what about limiting incoming msgs (like happens if your away)
<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>You: yeah....that would be nice
<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Taryn London: And I've said it before, and jira voted it, but I'll say it again - Ability to sort friends list into GROUPS! And maybe even appear offline to certain groups at any given time.
<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>DaQbet Kish: could we find a way to select ALL in Friends list?
<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Garn Conover: good one Taryn
<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>You: well...you can sort calling cards into folders, but I know what you mean Taryn
<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: oh I like that Taryn
<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Taryn London: yeah, but it's not the same.
<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Garn Conover: calling cards get duplicated as well
<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: I want a pain in my back end group BAD
<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Taryn London: totally.
<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: incoming message from NO NO NO RUN
<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Garn Conover: they also dont delete if you remove from friends list
<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>You: I have my AIM sorted into lists, for example
<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Garn Conover: ned a check- "do u wish to remove calling card as well'
<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Taryn London: "newbies I've adopted" group... mentors group... work, family, friends, people I've removed from friends who just keep adding me... alts... etc.
<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>You: one is LINDENS, one is EW NON-LINDENS and one is WOW, MY SWEETIE
<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: mentor wives, new mentors, mentors with hot sauce
<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>You: that's a really good idea, I don't think I've heard that discussed here
<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: "people I purposely want to appear offline to".. not that I have any of those :p
<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>You: how else could we make friends list more helpful
<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>You: 1) Categories
<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>You: 2) labels perhaps?
<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>You: or that's too much maybe
<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Garn Conover: <nowiki>revert to the old view >.<</nowiki>
<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Taryn London: show last login beside their name
<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Taryn London: so we can delete peeps who don't come around anymore
<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>You: hmmm...no way to see last login now unless they are in same group I think
<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Taryn London: exaclty
<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Taryn London: which is a pain
<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>You: okay that's cool
<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>You: what other info would be good associated with friends that we don't have now
<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Taryn London: if they like you enough to accept a friend request, they probably wont mind if you knew when they were last online.
<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: labels as in tags?
<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>You: that's what I was thinking Dimitrio, but maybe that's redundant if you can group them
<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Garn Conover: nicknames?
<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>You: yeah...perhaps
<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: search friends list for all who have a certain tag, there's your business partners
<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>You: I can rename folks in Trillian
<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Garn Conover: yea i do it all the time
<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>You: in case they are something like Carl98163549 and I need to know that's Lobster Linden
<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Garn Conover: yea my email and name is Elvish so it be easier to rename me
<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Taryn London: That would be excellent for anyone who has our pal 010100100010010010101001 (not his real code but you get the idea) on their friends list
<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Taryn London: Change him to just Omlet :P
<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: we need tab autocomplete for names :)
<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>You: well...that's a lot of good ideas whew....it's going to take me a while to compile notes from this meeting lol
'''<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>You: well, it's almost 5pm SLTime, so we can call it a smashing success of a meeting :D'''

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