Talk:KB2Wiki Pilot

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namespace name

Wouldn't "Linden Lab" or even "LL" convey sufficient meaning? "Linden Lab Official" would make urls be rather long when they appear in the address bar (use of URL shortening services is irrelevant in this case).

Since there is no existing "Linden Lab" or "LL" namespace, appending "Official" is entirely superfluous.

SignpostMarv Martin 22:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd second this remark.
I don't think that "LL" would be intuitive for most, though naming the namesape "Linden Lab" or even "Official", could be better.
A namespace with the name "Official" inside the SL Wiki would automatically indicate that it is "Linden Lab Official". And it would be shorter.
--Zai signature.png Lynch (talk|contribs) 22:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
The KB2Wiki Migration Team discussed this at length — we know technically savvy folks like you would "get it", but there are many beginners who'd benefit from the clarification. This also includes outside traffic we'll get from non-Residents via Google and other sources. "Linden Lab" by itself is too vague, and "Official" — from who?
If a page name is too long, you can create a redirect or use an URL shortener like http://tr.im - Torley-favicon.png Torley on 2009-06-24 @ 11:38 AM PST
"Official from who?" would be a legetimate question, though it wouldn't need to be answered within the URL. I noticed that Rand created this header and footer and suppose it will be (automatically?) added to articles within the namespace, containing the information. I think that the header answers that question :-)
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 19:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
You catch subtleties like that. But a lot of people don't read the fine print, and if fetching an URL (not necessarily reading it but passing it to someone else), it makes it clear RIGHT THERE. - Torley-favicon.png Torley on 2009-06-25 @ 4:03 PM PST

Review

Review is happening automatically for administrators when they create pages. See Special:Log/review.
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 15:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

PS: People become auto promoted to editors when they... Do what? *confused* Can't be the edit count, or at least Strife would be in the group as well. But according to the user list, I seem to be the only one (by now).
I gained the status after performing this test edit to check if the flagged revs was kicking in where it wasn't supposed to. Please note that I didn't review that page. I gained the status afterwards. It was already reviewed from the start.
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 15:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
THANKS for catching this, Kate let me know and we're on it now. - Torley-favicon.png Torley on 2009-06-25 @ 9:07 AM PST
On a slightly off-topic note whoever did the template for the LL official pages did a nice job. It really looks clean and clear. I think that eventually there needs to be a way for translations to be done even if it means LL hiring someone to do it or residents translating and LL reviewing before any translation is posted up officially since this you cannot translate this page EVER is to be troublesom. GW (T|C) -- 21:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I think that it's not well worded in that regard. Translations are happening for these articles, though these are the reviewed translations by the CT Projects, done in Japanese, French and German. For example, you'll find a translation of Linden Lab Official:Welcome Area Guidelines at Startbereichsregeln (KB), etc.
Guess it's just aimed to scare away people who would just translate without having it reviewed by someone in charge. --Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 22:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
That sound like LL legal to a T. GW (T|C) -- 22:16, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I'll confirm we got the approval of LL legal on this. Agree we need better future scaling for translations, too. More polyglot Lindens across the globe! - Torley-favicon.png Torley on 2009-06-25 @ 4:04 PM PST
I'm sure they have their reasons and I value my blood in my veins and not escaping through holes in my neck so I won't say anything bad about them (publicly) but needless to say there has to be a less confrontational way to word that. GW (T|C) -- 03:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe something like "Translations may be provided as part of our CT Projects only! These articles are not available for unsolicited translation."
Or something along these lines, worded by someone who's native in English ^^. --Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 10:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Damn

Totally forgot about the restriction about not overviewing non KB articles when I got to the list. My bad and hope that didn't negatively effect anyone or the wiki. GW (T|C) -- 21:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have emailed Kate about this btw to explain it to her since she seems to be the contact point. GW (T|C) -- 21:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, she let me know you got it! And yes she is the right contact for that. - Torley-favicon.png Torley on 2009-06-25 @ 3:59 PM PST

Yeah, we are going to need overviewing removed from AGENT_AWAY & AGENT_ALWAYS_RUN. I do not want to be held captive by those who forget that they have set a page as being reviewable. Speaking of which, is there a Special page that lists articles which are in need of reviewing (that is, they have a pending draft copy); seems like an oversight if we don't? -- Strife (talk|contribs) 23:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Ahh that would be Special:OldReviewedpages which is restricted. Is there a reason why it is restricted? It seems like something that would be of interest to more than just reviewers. -- Strife (talk|contribs) 00:59, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Red lines n stuff

Hi there!
I got to say that I'm a lil puzzled by now and there were a couple of questions bubbling up in the last 30 mins.

On a related note:

  • Should translations of articles within the Linden Lab Official namespace go into that namespace as well? Might need a translated header in this case... which would most probably lead to a translated namespace (like "Linden Lab Offiziell", etc.).

Stuff like that goin to my head... Also → Categorisation: Do we need Category:Videos, Category:Video and Category:Video Tutorials? I just think that's a little messy... But I don't want to go crazy on changing it all without asking/discussing first.
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 23:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey don't forget Category:LSL Video.
What I would do is move Video into Videos (along with a redirect, and make Video Tutorials a sub category of Videos. -- Strife (talk|contribs) 00:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Ugh, didn't even knew we had that one... Yeah, way to messy. To many categories. Not just for videos. --Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 00:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
The LSL category is actually about Video in SL, not Videos about SL; so it's not as bad as you think. We are however up to about 120 LSL Categories. -- Strife (talk|contribs) 00:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I see... Yeah, though the LSL Portal got an established hierarchy. All the main categories fit in the LSL header. It was my motivation to do this for the Help Portal as well. To have a real structure and not to scare people with to many nuances from the start. It's not 100% fitting, though Customers given too many choices are 10x less likely to buy. We're not a store, but with this structure, we'd scare people off before they "buy" our knowledge.
I think Rand kinda answered to the category remark over here. Looking forward to the restructuring.
Anyway, bed time for me now ^_^ Will continue tomorrow. --Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 01:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)