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This page has grown too large. Please move the discussion of events and event sizes to a new set of pages. Zero Linden 10:42, 16 October 2007 (PDT)

• Done. All event scalability discussion now in Talk:Event_Scalability_VAG. --Morgaine Dinova 03:17, 19 October 2007 (PDT)
• Scalability for events seemed to have vanished from the 4-point list of dimensions of scalability earlier. I can't see any discussion here related to that, so I reinstated the two lost lines since the need to scale for events has already endured many weeks of scrutiny and agreement from numerous wiki participants. --Morgaine Dinova 13:11, 17 October 2007 (PDT)

Morgaine, please see Editing Guidelines. We plan to be as inclusive and transparent as a company in our position can, but at the end of the day, we reserve the right to make the final call on any content posted here, and delete as necessary/appropriate. -- Rob Linden 10:18, 17 October 2007 (PDT)

• Thanks for your comments Rob. I spoke to Zero about this issue for the better part of an hour this morning, and I think we have a way of going forward: I'm going to take in all suggested counter-factors which might relieve the pressure on event size, to the best of our estimations, and recalculate. This should bring down the numbers from those strictly proportional to population growth, to lower ones which take other factors into consideration.

• In addition, to be more in keeping with the Editing Guidelines as you pointed out, in the next few minutes I'm going to polish away any sharp edges from the comments I wrote here earlier, and most importantly, remove any direct references to participants. We're all working toward the same goals as a team, together, after all. I apologize that my remarks were not consistent with that. :-( --Morgaine Dinova 12:32, 17 October 2007 (PDT)

• The worst jagged edges now smoothed down. Thanks for comments. :-) --Morgaine Dinova 13:17, 17 October 2007 (PDT)

First paragraph

Shouldn't the first paragraph explain for which project this is the motivation off? Or there be some link back at the top, that says part off..

I just came to this page accidently, when searching for something else. I know what it is about, but for someone who doesn't, it isn't clear. Also the title makes you think this is a Project named Motivation and not the motivation for a project. The same goes for other pages, like the use cases. Frans Charming 05:23, 7 October 2007 (PDT)

• There could be some confusion, yes. I'm surprised that there isn't a link to the parent in the title of each of these main namespace pages that are children of Architecture_Working_Group. However, note that this is not possible in the wiki generally, since many pages can point to the same child as a top-level entry. In this particular case it would probably work. As for changing all the children's names to make the AWG: namespace explicit ... that would break an immense number of links! Unless there is a tool to automatically change all references suitably, it's best avoided. And it wouldn't fix the offsite references and bookmarks that already exist anyway. :-) There are probably other solutions though. Anyone? --Morgaine Dinova 08:55, 8 October 2007 (PDT)

Wolves at the gates

• Excellent addition, Strife, and central to Project Motivation! I guess Sony HOME and Google MyWorld will be candidates for this section too. --Morgaine Dinova 03:59, 2 October 2007 (PDT)

• A shiver ran through me Strife, when I realized that you'd added the subtitle "Competitors" to this section ... because that implies that there are wolves at the gate other than mere competitors. And that made me focus on reality: the worst wolf isn't actually a wolf (which merely competes to survive) at all, but a 10-ton vicious predator ... the coercive T-Rex that is the politician surrounded by his retinue of lobbyists, litigants, Luddites, puritans, and vested interests. The real enemy isn't competition, as the playing field is level there. It's much worse. --Morgaine Dinova 06:38, 4 October 2007 (PDT)

• Rob, good comment in the changelog about Strife's section title and the link to a commercial site. :-) Perhaps Strife could abstract the key elements of that system for us instead. After all, AWG's focus is not only on scalability but also on interoperability. The existence of commercial offerings like that one certainly needs to be borne in mind, since they will be providing infrastructure for other virtual worlds with which in time we will need to interoperate. And any claimed figures related to scalability are of particular interest! :-) --Morgaine Dinova 17:37, 10 October 2007 (PDT)

Actually, my comment was about consumer-facing site. Links to commercial sites aren't verboten, but they need to have appropriate context. If one of the other (commercial) virtual world companies posts an interesting architecture document on their website, it's perfectly reasonable to cite it. However, if the page being linked to is just a site geared toward attracting signups for a virtual world service (consumer-facing), that's very rarely appropriate. -- Rob Linden 12:54, 17 October 2007 (PDT)