User:Benjamin Linden/Office Hours/2007 Aug 07

Transcript of Benjamin Linden's office hours:

[10:00]	Wyn Galbraith:	Torley!
[10:00]	Torley Linden:	*waves* :D
[10:00]	Matthew Dowd:	hello
[10:00]	Torley Linden:	Good to see you all here already!
[10:00]	Squirrel Wood:	Hollas!
[10:00]	Daedalus Young:	hi Benjamin
[10:01]	Wyn Galbraith:	Had to get a full cup of coffee ;)
[10:01]	Farallon Greyskin:	Hi hi
[10:01]	Benjamin Linden:	good morning folks!
[10:01]	Torley Linden:	Woohoo it's Ben!!!
[10:01]	Paul Churchill:	Good morning
[10:01]	Farallon Greyskin:	morning
[10:01]	Squirrel Wood:	Mmmmmmellon!
[10:01]	Daedalus Young:	evening
[10:01]	Matthew Dowd:	good evening ;-)
[10:01]	Wyn Galbraith loves Torley's hair, Hi Benjamin.
[10:01]	Torley Linden:	It's funny, I'm in a WindLight viewer with a bug that makes us all blink realllly long...
[10:01]	Torley Linden:	so it looks like we're half-asleep.
[10:01]	Torley Linden:	Except for Farallon. :)
[10:01]	Torley Linden:	And Squirrel. :)
[10:01]	Matthew Dowd:	we probably are!
[10:01]	Wyn Galbraith has a big cup of RL coffee.
[10:01]	Saijanai Kuhn:	Hey torley are you into animation production?
[10:02]	Torley Linden:	Me, I've done some before, but not extensively.
[10:02]	Torley Linden:	I did some silly walks.
[10:02]	Benjamin Linden:	I see we have an updated agenda, thanks guys!
[10:02]	Paul Churchill:	Let's hope it goes better this week than last !!
[10:03]	Torley Linden:	Me too!
[10:03]	Daedalus Young:	heh yes
[10:03]	Benjamin Linden:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/UI_Agenda
[10:03]	Saijanai Kuhn:	Ah, just got an ad for Toon Boom Digital pro, their high-end package. $3K
[10:03]	Saijanai Kuhn:	bah mouse froze gotta love it BRB
[10:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Yum! id Software game bundle on steam
[10:03]	Benjamin Linden:	ok let's go ahead and get started
[10:04]	Wyn Galbraith:	LOL Torley, Silly Walks like Monty Python ;)
[10:04]	Squirrel Wood:	Hi Rob!
[10:04]	Wyn Galbraith:	Hey Rob!
[10:04]	Daedalus Young:	hi Rob
[10:04]	Torley Linden:	Yes Wyn.
[10:04]	Torley Linden:	Heya Rob!
[10:04]	Rob Linden:	hi folks
[10:04]	Benjamin Linden:	do we have Iridium?
[10:04]	Torley Linden:	I haven't seen her. :(
[10:04]	Daedalus Young:	I don't see Iridium online
[10:04]	Wyn Galbraith:	That's too funny Torley. You should in vite those guys to join us ;)
[10:04]	Daedalus Young:	oh, hi Philip
[10:04]	Squirrel Wood:	Hellos
[10:04]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh goodness, Philip too!
[10:05]	Torley Linden:	Hey Philip!
[10:05]	Benjamin Linden:	we have a special guest today :-)
[10:05]	Philip Linden:	heya
[10:05]	Benjamin Linden:	but let's not get too distracted...
[10:05]	Benjamin Linden:	here's the agenda
[10:05]	Benjamin Linden:	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/UI_Agenda
[10:05]	Philip Linden:	hey all
[10:05]	Matthew Dowd:	hello
[10:05]	Benja Kepler:	hiya
[10:05]	Benja Kepler:	you're culpable then?
[10:05]	Squirrel Wood:	I see a Ruth-ed Philip?
[10:05]	Benjamin Linden:	ok I see some edits were made to the agenda
[10:06]	Philip Linden:	yep that is me. How appropriately embarrasing.
[10:06]	Philip Linden:	hang on relog
[10:06]	Wyn Galbraith:	Ruth'd Lindens.
[10:06]	Daedalus Young:	hi Aric
[10:06]	Torley Linden:	Hey Aric!
[10:06]	Paul Churchill:	I shifted some stuff that got resolved
[10:06]	Aric Linden:	Good Day All!
[10:06]	Benjamin Linden:	alright let's go ahead and get started
[10:06]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Aric :-)
[10:07]	Benjamin Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-315
[10:07]	Benja Kepler:	very annoying if you type fast and it gets undone before your eyes
[10:08]	Torley Linden:	OK, I see Gigs has a patch on that?
[10:08]	Torley Linden:	I can ping Soft about it.
[10:08]	Benjamin Linden:	this definitely sounds like we should import it
[10:08]	Wyn Galbraith:	Good morning Aric.
[10:08]	Torley Linden:	It's already imported... so I'll comment internally.
[10:08]	Benjamin Linden:	although there isn't much in terms of UI impact
[10:08]	Benjamin Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-333
[10:08]	Benjamin Linden:	ok next up
[10:09]	Iridium Linden:	Sorry I'm late.
[10:09]	Torley Linden:	IRIDIUM!
[10:09]	Daedalus Young:	hi Iridium
[10:09]	Torley Linden:	Heyhey!
[10:09]	Iridium Linden:	Hi!
[10:09]	Torley Linden:	We got a good gathering of Lindenz here.
[10:09]	Benjamin Linden:	hey Iridium, glad you could make it :-)
[10:09]	Saijanai Kuhn:	oooh shiny
[10:09]	Wyn Galbraith:	Wow, almost more Lindens then residents.
[10:09]	Torley Linden:	Oh gee, I'm glad to see a patch for VWR-333!
[10:09]	Benjamin Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-333
[10:09]	Iridium Linden:	Thanks, Benjamin.
[10:09]	Torley Linden:	That problem was hanging around for awhile...
[10:09]	Benja Kepler:	the collective noun, Torley, is a Limetree of Lindens
[10:09]	Farallon Greyskin:	Heh yeah this one is one that is pretty common, I got like 8 of them now
[10:09]	Squirrel Wood:	I definitely get "gesture missing from db" every time I log in
[10:09]	Saijanai Kuhn:	uh-oh, voice chat bug is back for me...
[10:10]	Benjamin Linden:	this has been imported already also
[10:10]	McCabe Maxsted:	I do as well
[10:10]	Torley Linden:	I'll comment internally with new status -- patch attached.
[10:10]	Benjamin Linden:	great, thanks Torley
[10:10]	Iridium Linden:	Shall we close the dupe as well?
[10:10]	Saijanai Kuhn:	cnnecting... connecting... connecting...
[10:10]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1944
[10:10]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, let's close the dupe while we're at it
[10:10]	Torley Linden:	Yes, the dupe can be closed in this case, looks like.
[10:10]	Torley Linden:	*closes*
[10:10]	Wyn Galbraith:	Have you started glowing in the dark yet Iridium?
[10:10]	Matthew Dowd:	firewall - Saijanai?
[10:10]	Iridium Linden:	Yay!
[10:10]	Iridium Linden:	So, moving onto https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-423.
[10:11]	Saijanai Kuhn:	yeha, but yesterday it was wroking...
[10:11]	Benjamin Linden:	this is imported too, our guys are quick!
[10:11]	Saijanai Kuhn:	error?
[10:11]	Wyn Galbraith got an error on that one.
[10:11]	Benjamin Linden:	we should fix this one though...
[10:11]	Aric Linden:	moi aussi
[10:12]	Wyn Galbraith:	The project you are trying to view does not exist. Try browsing for projects.
[10:12]	McCabe Maxsted:	yeah, that one's annoying
[10:12]	McCabe Maxsted:	just remove the period wyn
[10:12]	Rob Linden:	looks like it was fixed internally
[10:12]	Saijanai Kuhn blushes
[10:12]	Wyn Galbraith facepalms needs more coffee, "Should have seen that."
[10:12]	Benjamin Linden:	why are the next three issues indented?
[10:12]	Benjamin Linden:	are they related to the previous bug?
[10:12]	Iridium Linden:	I think that's a mistake.
[10:12]	Rob Linden:	no, it's not
[10:12]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1187
[10:12]	Benjamin Linden:	ok, let's step through them then
[10:12]	Kitty Barnett:	yesh... they're referenced from 423
[10:13]	Rob Linden:	actually they're all claim fixed by the patch in VWR-423
[10:13]	Iridium Linden:	Ah, yus.
[10:13]	Iridium Linden:	I see that now.
[10:13]	Benjamin Linden:	Rob/Aric, when will we have confirmation that these bugs are fixed by the patch
[10:13]	Torley Linden:	OK, so VWR-423 was already fixed internally...
[10:13]	Torley Linden:	I'll change issue state to match.
[10:14]	Iridium Linden:	I've made a note in the agenda.
[10:14]	Benjamin Linden:	Does that mean we didn't use the patch?
[10:14]	Aric Linden:	I think that the fix in currently in maint or in the blacklight queue
[10:14]	Rob Linden:	not sure...we'll need to ask
[10:14]	Torley Linden:	Hmmm *checks linked issues*
[10:14]	Matthew Dowd:	"blacklight"?
[10:14]	Aric Linden:	It might have only made it to the blacklight queue at this point
[10:15]	Aric Linden:	Blacklight is one of the i nternal linden development studioes
[10:15]	Aric Linden:	/studioes/studios
[10:15]	Torley Linden:	OK it looks like this is going to need some careful linking later to prevent issue collisions. I'll make a note and ping Simon (who worked on this earlier).
[10:15]	Torley Linden:	Have to match external resolutions with internal ones to make sure we're on the same page.
[10:15]	Aric Linden:	thanks torley
[10:15]	Torley Linden:	=)
[10:15]	Benjamin Linden:	Ok for now let's skip this set of bugs
[10:15]	Benjamin Linden:	till we see what got fixed by the patch
[10:16]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2036
[10:16]	Farallon Greyskin:	hee, my first submission ^^
[10:16]	Torley Linden:	Farallon, good to have you here with us for this one!
[10:16]	Torley Linden:	Thank you for your help with this!
[10:16]	Benjamin Linden:	this is great, Farallon!
[10:16]	Farallon Greyskin:	unfortuantely it probably stomps on an already fixed issue
[10:16]	Farallon Greyskin:	So not usable as is
[10:16]	Torley Linden:	K, so what I did with this... no worries -- I've already emailed Coco Linden to ask her how to make the best of this.
[10:17]	Benja Kepler:	I caan't see how this is a problem as, on restart, you may be building in a different place (on the screen ) so will have to move the dialog anyway
[10:17]	Torley Linden:	This was already imported and assigned for her investigation briefly ago.
[10:17]	McCabe Maxsted:	well consider crashes and relogging to clear lag
[10:17]	Farallon Greyskin:	Oh thanks. I didn;t see the new note on it
[10:17]	Benjamin Linden:	well it is true that most of our windows remember their location, so it makes sense to do it for the build window too
[10:18]	Saijanai Kuhn:	unpredictable = notsogood
[10:18]	Aric Linden:	consistency = sogood
[10:18]	Benja Kepler:	ok, consistency is good
[10:18]	Wyn Galbraith likes the idea that can be fixed.
[10:18]	Torley Linden:	Haha "sogood"!
[10:18]	Benjamin Linden:	especially since we have a patch already!
[10:18]	Benjamin Linden:	ok let's move on...
[10:18]	Torley Linden:	Yes thanks again Farallon.
[10:18]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1827
[10:18]	Wyn Galbraith:	Thanks Farallon :)
[10:18]	Torley Linden:	We'll update that issue after Coco checks it out.
[10:18]	Daedalus Young:	where we left off last week
[10:19]	Benjamin Linden:	right, when the grid came down :-)
[10:19]	McCabe Maxsted:	I've been using this for a while; I like it
[10:19]	Torley Linden:	I see Tofu closed that with "needs more UI planning".
[10:19]	Torley Linden:	It reminds me of another meeting last week, where we thought about distinguishing objects with attachment points (meant to be worn) from objects in general.
[10:19]	Benjamin Linden:	we've actually been discussing this internally, in terms of what the doubleclick action should be for various inventory items
[10:19]	Aric Linden:	perhaps importing it and including it in the UI planning discussions is worthwhile?
[10:20]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, Aric
[10:20]	Saijanai Kuhn:	reltes to the TP on double-click issue
[10:20]	Torley Linden:	OK -- I'll import the main issue this subtask belongs to...
[10:20]	Torley Linden:	There are several of them...
[10:20]	Benjamin Linden:	I need to jirafy the discussion we had, and this will help
[10:20]	Matthew Dowd:	it would be nice to be able to tell in advance which attachment point an object will attach to
[10:20]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1647
[10:20]	Farallon Greyskin:	I like the idea of an alternative icon for objects that have assigned attch points... and the double clicking to attach them both
[10:20]	Torley Linden:	*imports*
[10:20]	McCabe Maxsted:	and to have double click remove as well as attach
[10:20]	Benjamin Linden:	Torley, are you going to link up the other related pjira bugs?
[10:21]	Torley Linden:	Me too Farallon, it would reduce embarassment of wearing boxes on hands (used to be boxes on HEADS, now that was bad!).
[10:21]	Iridium Linden:	lol, Torley.
[10:21]	Torley Linden:	Benjamin, which other related ones?
[10:21]	Farallon Greyskin:	hehe yeah :D
[10:21]	Benjamin Linden:	Farallon, having an indicator of attachments versus objects was one of the things we discussed
[10:21]	Torley Linden:	VWR-1825 has some subtasks, which are the others?
[10:21]	Benjamin Linden:	ah yes, that's what I was thinking of. thanks Torley!
[10:21]	Torley Linden:	=)
[10:22]	Iridium Linden:	We discussed them two weeks ago, I believe.
[10:22]	Torley Linden:	Hey it's Benja who made a spiffy Communicate video tutorial!
[10:22]	Aric Linden:	I think we should import 1647
[10:22]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, thanks for that video Benja!
[10:22]	Benjamin Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1647
[10:22]	Aric Linden:	/apologizes for moving too fast
[10:23]	Benjamin Linden:	no problem, Aric
[10:23]	Aric Linden:	grins
[10:23]	Benja Kepler:	yvw, Benjamin!
[10:23]	Benjamin Linden:	this one's been imported
[10:23]	Torley Linden:	Ah VWR-1647 already imported with patch...
[10:23]	Benjamin Linden:	looks like a good fix
[10:23]	Torley Linden:	This is a bug not a feature.
[10:24]	Benjamin Linden:	there are actually a number of oddities with the way preferences commits changes
[10:24]	Iridium Linden:	Moving on then since it's been imported?
[10:24]	Torley Linden:	K!
[10:24]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-546
[10:24]	Benjamin Linden:	maybe Paul will look into the rest of them for us :-)
[10:24]	Daedalus Young:	is aready fixed, 546
[10:24]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-82
[10:24]	Daedalus Young:	internally
[10:24]	Paul Churchill:	I'd like to remove this from the agenda
[10:25]	Benjamin Linden:	which one Paul?
[10:25]	Paul Churchill:	I found a problem with my implementation
[10:25]	Iridium Linden:	It's marked as fixed. Let's go to MISC-82.
[10:25]	Paul Churchill:	Misc-82
[10:25]	Iridium Linden:	Ah, this is yours.
[10:25]	Iridium Linden:	:)
[10:25]	Iridium Linden:	Sorry, Paul.
[10:25]	Paul Churchill:	yes
[10:25]	Kitty Barnett:	do you really need a tp button on IM? :o
[10:25]	Matthew Dowd:	it only saves one mouse click
[10:25]	Torley Linden:	Thanks Paul! Hmmm... see Paul's latest comments.
[10:26]	McCabe Maxsted:	well, there's room for one now
[10:26]	Wyn Galbraith:	It would save time and I've had that thought.
[10:26]	Wyn Galbraith:	There is space.
[10:26]	Benjamin Linden:	I'm a little concerned about this from the standpoint that we do not want to clutter up the IM interface too much
[10:26]	Torley Linden:	A screenshot would be handy for issues like this... for those who haven't been able to apply the patch themselves.
[10:26]	Aric Linden:	I think this is a related to larger UI design and workflow questions
[10:27]	McCabe Maxsted:	i think it would be okay
[10:27]	Paul Churchill:	I can provide that
[10:27]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks Torley, I was just about to say that
[10:27]	Kitty Barnett:	it would be handy... but so would having an "offer inventory" space and a pay button :
[10:27]	McCabe Maxsted:	i can make a mockup and post it if you'd like benjamin
[10:27]	Aric Linden:	My suggestion would be to import it and discuss it thusly
[10:27]	Paul Churchill:	I agree with Aric
[10:27]	Benjamin Linden:	this is my point, Kitty, which is most important?
[10:27]	Wyn Galbraith:	Or a landmark button on picks.
[10:27]	Matthew Dowd:	i did wonder about a drop down list of actions
[10:27]	Matthew Dowd:	but it would still be two clicks!
[10:27]	Aric Linden:	which is why i think it's a larger workflow issue
[10:27]	Torley Linden:	This customizability reminds me of the article I heard about from Ben the other day about World of Warcraft's UI flexibility.
[10:27]	Iridium Linden:	So import 82?
[10:27]	Benjamin Linden:	Matthew, I like that idea
[10:27]	McCabe Maxsted:	a list would lack consistency
[10:28]	Philip Linden:	seems like in general there are things you commonly want to do to people
[10:28]	Benjamin Linden:	but we dont' have a control for that
[10:28]	Philip Linden:	would be nice if they were always grouped and available
[10:28]	Saijanai Kuhn:	I have the URL for WOW API Torley if you want. Scary flexible
[10:28]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, that's why I like the idea of a dropdown list of commands on the window
[10:28]	Torley Linden:	Sure Saijanai. =)
[10:28]	Farallon Greyskin:	Heh yeah, there was a question some time ago about "what eould make SL 2.0" and I think a comepltely customisable/diockable UI just might qualify all by itself.
[10:29]	Saijanai Kuhn:	http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API
[10:29]	Torley Linden:	Part of my prob with having to open up someone's profile to teleport them or another action not immediately available from the IM window is that the profile window takes up too much space, and then I have to close it afterwards. Cluttery.
[10:29]	Benjamin Linden:	we're working on docking UI, Farallon
[10:29]	Squirrel Wood:	ui / themes / skin ?
[10:29]	Philip Linden:	How about a 50% lower crash rate :) I'd call that 2.0
[10:29]	McCabe Maxsted:	drop down lists would fix a lot of UI clutter in most every window
[10:29]	Benjamin Linden:	and skinning, Squirrel
[10:29]	Wyn Galbraith:	LOL Philip, " seems like in general there are things you commonly want to do to people" Thank you for the Mute button.
[10:29]	Farallon Greyskin:	:D
[10:29]	Torley Linden:	Hehehe.
[10:29]	Iridium Linden:	lol
[10:29]	Matthew Dowd:	what didn't you have a control for, Benjamin?
[10:29]	Benja Kepler:	is this transcript going to be published?
[10:30]	Iridium Linden:	Minutes from Triages are usually published, Benja.
[10:30]	Saijanai Kuhn wants Corquet running on a Smalltalk VM based on mono for private sandboxes and conferences
[10:30]	Eelke Forder:	A text only interface so blind players can use screenreaders to play SL would be nice for SL 2.0
[10:30]	Wyn Galbraith is with Torley and opening profiles to TP.
[10:30]	Saijanai Kuhn:	croquet
[10:30]	Iridium Linden:	So what shall we do with MISC-82?
[10:30]	Benja Kepler:	cool
[10:30]	McCabe Maxsted:	tp also happens a lot more than other actions the friends window can do
[10:30]	Philip Linden:	Take care all, gotta run to scaling meeting.
[10:30]	Torley Linden:	I always look for repetitive actions where I can cut down on useless redundancy.
[10:30]	Torley Linden:	Have a good one Philip!
[10:30]	Iridium Linden:	Bye, Philip!
[10:30]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for stopping by Philip!
[10:30]	Saijanai Kuhn:	laters
[10:30]	Daedalus Young:	bye Philip
[10:30]	Benjamin Linden:	actually the control I was thinking of is slightly different, Matthew, a dropdown with menu items you can check
[10:30]	Aric Linden:	I'd suggest importing it and adding it to the internal design discussions
[10:30]	Benja Kepler:	bye!
[10:30]	Wyn Galbraith:	Bye Philip.
[10:30]	Iridium Linden:	Okay, let's do that and move on, yes?
[10:30]	Torley Linden:	Sounds good.
[10:30]	Matthew Dowd:	ah, i thought the standard llComboxBox would do the job
[10:31]	Kitty Barnett:	dropping inventory on a friend I'm talking to in IM is what I do most :o it would depend on someone's usage I'd think
[10:31]	Benjamin Linden:	you're right Matthew, I think in this case it would work
[10:31]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1880
[10:31]	Saijanai Kuhn realizes he forgot to ask Philip LInden for a Job...
[10:31]	Daedalus Young:	Sai, your Group title says it all
[10:31]	Torley Linden:	Also moving MISC-82 to VWR type issue.
[10:32]	Wyn Galbraith forgot too Saijanai!
[10:32]	McCabe Maxsted:	ah, I'd like to see this one in hte main client soon
[10:32]	Benjamin Linden:	this is an interesting issue
[10:32]	Daedalus Young:	1880 sounds good, btw, I use keyboard shortcuts all the time
[10:32]	Benjamin Linden:	I wonder if people will be surprised when ctrl-F does different things
[10:32]	McCabe Maxsted:	i think they will be happily surprised
[10:32]	Benjamin Linden:	I guess it will only effect power users so it's probably ok
[10:32]	Matthew Dowd:	what does ctrl-f currently do?
[10:33]	Benjamin Linden:	it opens the main search window
[10:33]	Torley Linden:	Opens Search.
[10:33]	Benjamin Linden:	(which used to be called Find)
[10:33]	Daedalus Young:	it would sure be nice to search in scripts
[10:33]	McCabe Maxsted:	i hit ctrl-f while scripting forgetting it doesn't work the same in the script window
[10:33]	Eric Reuters:	hi
[10:33]	Benjamin Linden:	what do you mean McCabe?
[10:33]	Matthew Dowd:	would you want ctrl-f in notecard windows too?
[10:33]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Eric!
[10:33]	Squirrel Wood:	standard windows behavior on ctrl-f is search/find
[10:33]	Saijanai Kuhn wants some kind of grep function too
[10:33]	Daedalus Young:	hi Eric
[10:33]	Torley Linden:	Hey Eric!
[10:33]	Wyn Galbraith:	Hello Eric.
[10:33]	McCabe Maxsted:	err, I mean, I hit ctrl-f trying to search in scripts, forgetting the shotrcut currently opens up the find window
[10:34]	Benja Kepler:	awk
[10:34]	Benja Kepler:	I like awk
[10:34]	Squirrel Wood:	give me regular expressions in scripts ^^
[10:34]	Torley Linden:	What should the Search shortcut be changed to if we're going to keep a consistent behavior for the same shortcut key?
[10:34]	Benjamin Linden:	ok I see McCabe
[10:34]	Aric Linden:	I think that's true, b
[10:34]	Paul Churchill:	awk tastes like chicken
[10:34]	Farallon Greyskin:	NOW YOUR TALKING CRAZY :d
[10:34]	Farallon Greyskin:	oops
[10:34]	Farallon Greyskin:	sorry LD
[10:34]	Benja Kepler giggles
[10:34]	Benjamin Linden:	let's make the switch and see what happens
[10:34]	Aric Linden:	Consistency should extend to keyboard short cuts
[10:34]	Benjamin Linden:	sounds like it will help the scripters out
[10:34]	Squirrel Wood:	most definitely
[10:35]	Saijanai Kuhn:	context trumps consistency in this case
[10:35]	Farallon Greyskin:	Yeah I do have to search a LOT and when scripting your hands are on the KB mostly
[10:35]	Squirrel Wood:	be context sensitive ^^
[10:35]	Benjamin Linden:	I think that's right Saijanai
[10:35]	Iridium Linden:	So what shall we do with this one?
[10:35]	Torley Linden:	I'm curious if this also means that when you're scripting, if the menu item for Search will show a different or no shortcut... otherwise that'd be confusing.
[10:35]	Benjamin Linden:	this is going to be more and more of an issue as the viewer becomes more complex; it's already 4 or 5 applications rolled into one
[10:35]	Saijanai Kuhn votes for opendoc becoming b asis for cliebnt
[10:35]	Benjamin Linden:	that's a great point, Torley
[10:36]	Saijanai Kuhn:	client*
[10:36]	Aric Linden:	I think if you start to use the same key combinations for different thiings, you're asking for trouble
[10:36]	Paul Churchill:	It only matters if the script window has focus
[10:36]	Paul Churchill:	otherwise the ctrl-F opens search
[10:36]	Matthew Dowd:	the script window has a menu
[10:36]	Daedalus Young:	that's true, then we'd need Ctrl-S for Search and Ctrl-F for Find (in text)
[10:36]	Benjamin Linden:	how do you open the find/replace dialog currently?
[10:36]	Torley Linden:	I think this is one of those "seems straightforward but should merit broader consideration"...
[10:36]	Kitty Barnett:	does ctrl-shift-F do anything?
[10:36]	Wyn Galbraith:	NO.
[10:36]	Saijanai Kuhn:	many keyboard shortcuts do "different" things depending on context
[10:36]	Matthew Dowd:	so the idea that menu overrides keyboard shortcuts when it is focused makes sense
[10:36]	Torley Linden:	Ctrl-S is used for Save in many applications, we opted not to use that because that'd be even more confusing.
[10:36]	Benja Kepler:	is there work due on key-mapping anyway?
[10:37]	McCabe Maxsted:	I would say that applying this patch makes things more consistent, as a user will know ctrl-f will always search in what has focus
[10:37]	Matthew Dowd:	its how windows works
[10:37]	Wyn Galbraith:	Sorry capslocked.
[10:37]	Paul Churchill:	from the menu at the top of the script preview floater
[10:37]	Benjamin Linden:	I was going to suggest that Kitty
[10:37]	Daedalus Young:	ctrl-shift-f opens communicate window now for me
[10:37]	Saijanai Kuhn:	keep cmnd/ctrl-f the same unless script window is open and has focus
[10:37]	Torley Linden:	What if someone is scripting and wants to open the Search window via shortcut?
[10:37]	Daedalus Young:	however, ctrl-shift-option-cmnd-f is still free :)
[10:37]	Saijanai Kuhn:	they get the find window. Ooops
[10:37]	Paul Churchill:	esc then ctrl-f
[10:37]	Aric Linden:	If I may suggest, I think building out a complete map of all current keyboard shortcuts and then figuring out logic that applies globally is useful here
[10:37]	Saijanai Kuhn:	but how often does that happen?
[10:38]	Paul Churchill:	good idea Aric
[10:38]	Wyn Galbraith:	LOL Daedalus
[10:38]	Matthew Dowd:	it would be nice to have a single place to see all the shirtcuts anyway - i wanted that when I first started in SL!
[10:38]	Benjamin Linden:	I agree, Aric
[10:38]	Aric Linden:	I agree Matthew
[10:38]	Squirrel Wood:	Mmm. cut shirts ^^
[10:38]	Benjamin Linden:	Richard wants to do work on a more comprehensive key-binding solution
[10:38]	McCabe Maxsted:	I made a jira for that, let me find it
[10:38]	Torley Linden:	OK, so I see this is already assigned to Soft -- we can import and do more digging into the ramifications of this later?
[10:38]	Aric Linden:	remember those quick start handouts that used to come with applications?
[10:39]	Saijanai Kuhn:	i the long run, aq window that displays shortcuts should also be able to set them
[10:39]	Torley Linden:	I like those key templates Aric!
[10:39]	Matthew Dowd:	it would be nice to have a single place in the source code too ;-)
[10:39]	Daedalus Young:	yes, a list would be great, also helps you find functions you never knew of before
[10:39]	Aric Linden:	/nods
[10:39]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, we should have a PDF like that for SL, Aric
[10:39]	Wyn Galbraith:	We had those for WordStar and AutoCAD. They're great.
[10:39]	McCabe Maxsted:	mathew: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1616
[10:39]	Aric Linden:	ok. i've earned my money today. I'm going home now.
[10:39]	Aric Linden:	/lol
[10:39]	Torley Linden:	Hahaha.
[10:39]	Saijanai Kuhn wants Aric's job
[10:39]	Benjamin Linden:	nice one McCabe
[10:39]	McCabe Maxsted:	haha
[10:40]	Torley Linden:	Right on McCabe! :)
[10:40]	Aric Linden:	Sai, let's talk
[10:40]	Aric Linden:	;-)
[10:40]	Benjamin Linden:	lol
[10:40]	Wyn Galbraith:	Templets you could place over your keyboard.
[10:40]	Iridium Linden:	kk, so what are we doing with 1880?
[10:40]	Benjamin Linden:	you don't want Aric's job, believe me!
[10:40]	Torley Linden:	Wyn, or even special SL-optimized keyboards, like Pro Tools, hehe.
[10:40]	Torley Linden:	Iridium: I'm thinking to import it and discuss more later.
[10:40]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh yes.
[10:40]	Benjamin Linden:	let's do what Torley suggested
[10:40]	Iridium Linden:	Sounds good.
[10:40]	Torley Linden:	OK! *imports*
[10:40]	Iridium Linden:	Moving onto https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1917.
[10:40]	Matthew Dowd:	i thought this would address some of the issues people have with the new communicator
[10:40]	Wyn Galbraith:	USB button attachment with all the keys preprogrammed and programmable ;)
[10:41]	Farallon Greyskin:	Well I can say that atleast the people I hang out with this is a huge issue
[10:41]	Aric Linden:	I completely endorse this Matthew
[10:41]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for working on this Matthew
[10:41]	McCabe Maxsted:	I think having the ability to separate the flist/group window altogether would be a better solution for most people
[10:42]	Aric Linden:	the back and forth is really painful
[10:42]	Farallon Greyskin:	In fact it stands as the ONE thing that may truly split off a popular O.S. client
[10:42]	Squirrel Wood:	yep. people tend to not like the communicate combined window
[10:42]	Farallon Greyskin:	There are already several people working on this very thing.
[10:42]	Benjamin Linden:	we have already decided internally to make the contacts list removeable from the chatterbox
[10:42]	McCabe Maxsted:	from the communicate window i mean
[10:42]	Aric Linden:	/applauds
[10:42]	Matthew Dowd:	I tried that
[10:42]	McCabe Maxsted:	thank god, haha
[10:42]	Kitty Barnett:	yay!
[10:42]	Eric Reuters:	thumbs up :0
[10:42]	Eric Reuters:	:)
[10:42]	Matthew Dowd:	but the window looks very empty when you've detached everything from it!
[10:42]	Wyn Galbraith tears off the chathistory right away.
[10:42]	Iridium Linden:	kk, so we can move on?
[10:42]	Benjamin Linden:	there were some window management issues we needed to address
[10:42]	Benjamin Linden:	like what happens with an empty chatterbox window, for example
[10:42]	Farallon Greyskin:	If it is tearoffable wiill ther be a button back for it on the lower button bar?
[10:43]	Farallon Greyskin:	I did notice thant an empty chatterbox window cause other... problems in the code :(
[10:43]	Matthew Dowd:	you can make if tearoff my editing the xml but that doesn't work well - since you can get an empty box!
[10:43]	Farallon Greyskin:	Yeah and then if you hide it it dosn;t come back!
[10:43]	Torley Linden:	Oh thanks Matthew for filing this.
[10:44]	Benjamin Linden:	Farallon, I'm not convinced we should put a button back on the toolbar. these are all advanced user scenarios (undocking, etc). I think we need to see how new users react to the new UI
[10:44]	Matthew Dowd:	I think having shortcuts to open the windows in a seperated form is important
[10:44]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, we have retained all the shortcuts
[10:44]	Matthew Dowd:	CTRL-SHIFT-F does friends
[10:44]	McCabe Maxsted:	I think users will want something that they don't have to redo each time they login. Does it remain torn off after logins?
[10:44]	Matthew Dowd:	and I thought adding CTRL-SHIFT-G for groups?
[10:44]	Farallon Greyskin:	Well just from my personal use, the friends list is almost always closed, I pop it open using the tool bar then close it at intervals. Mainly becuase I have to have it large to see everyone. SO I don;t want it on screen all the time
[10:45]	Benjamin Linden:	it is supposed to remember it's position between sessions
[10:45]	McCabe Maxsted nods
[10:45]	Benjamin Linden:	this last tweak will allow people to set up their UI the way it used to be, for the most part
[10:45]	Benjamin Linden:	by last, I mean "most recent" -- we are still evolving the design
[10:46]	Matthew Dowd:	ok, i was going to tidy up the patch but if it is being solve in house i'll hold off
[10:46]	Wyn Galbraith:	Ah legacy settings.
[10:46]	Benjamin Linden:	I believe this is already being worked on Matthew, so why don't you hold off for now.
[10:46]	Matthew Dowd nods
[10:47]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for your help with this, however
[10:47]	Torley Linden:	=)
[10:47]	Benjamin Linden:	and for including screenshots in your bug!
[10:47]	McCabe Maxsted:	matthew didn't you have a patch to move the friends/groups selector to the top?
[10:47]	Torley Linden:	Yup thanks lots Matthew!
[10:47]	Matthew Dowd:	oh, if the window is torn off, having the tab on the left can be an issue if you make it tall and thin!
[10:47]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, we're probably going to change that too
[10:47]	Matthew Dowd:	group/friends tab that is
[10:48]	Matthew Dowd:	k
[10:48]	Torley Linden:	One of my longtime personal gripes is not having vertical tab strip for active IMs... I'd prefer that. ;)
[10:48]	Iridium Linden:	kk, we only have 10 minutes left, so shall we move on?
[10:48]	Farallon Greyskin:	Yeah if it's torn off, auto switching the tabs to the top might be desirable.
[10:48]	Torley Linden:	(E.g., in Firefox, I often have many tabs open, and multi-row horizontal lines look confusing, so I have like, 50 or so going down the left side.)
[10:48]	Benjamin Linden:	I agree, Farallon
[10:48]	Iridium Linden:	We're importing 1917, right?
[10:48]	Daedalus Young:	I have tabs in my browser on the left side too, Torley
[10:48]	Torley Linden:	Daedalus: Cool beans.
[10:49]	Torley Linden:	Import 1917 and ping Voice Team?
[10:49]	Benjamin Linden:	Iridium, let me find out which Jira Richard is working on to separate the contacts list, and we can link it to that
[10:49]	Torley Linden:	Ahh okay cool..
[10:49]	Iridium Linden:	kk
[10:49]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks
[10:49]	Torley Linden:	:D Next up!
[10:50]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1281
[10:50]	Iridium Linden:	Buigs
[10:50]	Iridium Linden:	Bugs*
[10:50]	Torley Linden:	Thanks...
[10:50]	Daedalus Young:	hm, I've never seen 1281 happen myself
[10:50]	Torley Linden:	I'm not familiar with this yet, I should see the video.
[10:50]	Benja Kepler:	I couldn't view the video because of codecs
[10:50]	Wyn Galbraith:	I've seen it.
[10:50]	Benjamin Linden:	well if there's a video it's clearly a bug
[10:51]	Wyn Galbraith:	I think I know what it is.
[10:51]	Benjamin Linden:	yes, I don't appear to have the right codec either
[10:51]	Torley Linden:	Oh gosh, I just saw the vid. Looks messy.
[10:51]	Wyn Galbraith:	If you try to highlight text like in the chat window and someone types, the text scrolls up.
[10:51]	Torley Linden:	That sounds somewhat different, Wyn...
[10:52]	Torley Linden:	This is the My Notes tab...
[10:52]	Daedalus Young:	yes, that's different
[10:52]	Wyn Galbraith:	So what happens is your highlight gets moved.
[10:52]	Saijanai Kuhn:	try highlighting text in the history window. There's a half-line oofset there
[10:52]	Kitty Barnett:	encoded with XVID
[10:52]	Benjamin Linden:	I lose my highlight altogether
[10:52]	Torley Linden:	AH I reproed it myself!
[10:52]	Benjamin Linden:	which is very annoying!
[10:52]	Saijanai Kuhn:	or not
[10:52]	Benjamin Linden:	how did you repro Torley?
[10:52]	Torley Linden:	I'll attach a picture too... for those of you who can't watch the vid...
[10:52]	Wyn Galbraith:	Ah, I stand corrected ;) Well the scrolling chat window thing bugs me.
[10:52]	Torley Linden:	Benjamin, I copied and pasted some chat with a blank line of space.
[10:52]	Squirrel Wood uploads another bug video on youtube... will post url later
[10:52]	Torley Linden:	Then, I tried to select the portion containing the blank line.
[10:53]	Torley Linden:	*attaches picture*
[10:53]	McCabe Maxsted offers wyn a supportive pat on the back in agreement
[10:53]	Daedalus Young:	cool, I'll see if I can get a repro on Mac, maybe it's OS dependant :P
[10:53]	Torley Linden:	Wyn: Yeah that bugs me too, that other bug, it's also on the Issue Tracker.
[10:53]	Wyn Galbraith:	Thanks McCade :)
[10:53]	Torley Linden:	Picture attached to VWR-1281, feel free to refresh.
[10:53]	Iridium Linden:	So import 1281 and moving on?
[10:54]	Torley Linden:	Yes.
[10:54]	Torley Linden:	*imports*
[10:54]	Benjamin Linden:	sounds good
[10:54]	Daedalus Young:	*refreshes*
[10:54]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1724
[10:54]	Daedalus Young:	yes, seen that
[10:54]	Squirrel Wood:	hud zoom... yep. that one's annoying
[10:54]	Daedalus Young:	also works like this with one HUD and Edit Linked Parts
[10:55]	Farallon Greyskin:	Yeah, this seemed to have crept in not too long ago and makes hud editing really hard
[10:55]	Daedalus Young:	Repro is clear
[10:55]	Wyn Galbraith ponders what's wrong now with her browser and quicktime.
[10:55]	Farallon Greyskin:	Especially when hud objects attach outside the viewing area like they seem to do sometimes
[10:55]	Benjamin Linden:	hmm I'm not exactly sure how to classify this bug
[10:55]	Squirrel Wood:	Farallon, they do if the creatur used a widescreen monitor and you don't have one
[10:56]	Benjamin Linden:	I think it's worth importing though
[10:56]	Squirrel Wood:	creator...
[10:56]	Torley Linden:	OK... sounds good.
[10:56]	Torley Linden:	*imports*
[10:56]	Squirrel Wood:	hmm...
[10:56]	Farallon Greyskin:	Ah heh
[10:56]	Squirrel Wood:	mayhaps add screen rectangles for the different aspect ratios while you're at it.
[10:56]	Squirrel Wood:	4:3, 16:9, 16:10
[10:57]	Wyn Galbraith:	Ah good catch Squirrel.
[10:57]	Iridium Linden:	https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1730
[10:57]	Benjamin Linden:	what do you mean, screen rectangles Squirrel?
[10:57]	Kitty Barnett:	I like the keep/discard personally :o
[10:57]	Daedalus Young:	aspect ratios yes
[10:57]	Farallon Greyskin:	Now, this might not be so bad of a "bug"
[10:57]	Daedalus Young:	me too, Kitty
[10:57]	Squirrel Wood:	when you select a hud object and zoom out. you see a rectangle of the "screen area"
[10:58]	Farallon Greyskin:	Becuase note cards now don;t display right away? you have to accept them to have them popup to read then need to discard right there.
[10:58]	Torley Linden:	Hmmm not a clear consensus on VWR-1730...
[10:58]	Benja Kepler:	gotta go, see ya
[10:58]	Torley Linden:	Have a good one Benja.
[10:58]	McCabe Maxsted:	take care benja
[10:58]	Kitty Barnett:	you get the same behaviour from notecards/textures in group notices... you open it... can preview... then keep/discard without bothering with the inventory window :o
[10:58]	Wyn Galbraith:	Isn't that a setting in preferences?
[10:58]	Farallon Greyskin:	I'd need to run through the scenario again to be sure but I al always discarding notecards now after accepting them when I don;t want them after reading
[10:59]	Torley Linden:	I'd have to go through this multiple times myself to better understand why this might/might not be a problem.
[10:59]	Squirrel Wood:	you "accept" a notecard someone gave you. then the preview window shows up with yet another "keep / discard" button set
[10:59]	Paul Churchill:	regrets, good people, but I must also be away.
[10:59]	Torley Linden:	Thanks for coming Paul!
[10:59]	Wyn Galbraith:	Oh I've seen that one.
[10:59]	Paul Churchill:	see you all soon.
[10:59]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for stopping by , Paul!
[10:59]	Daedalus Young:	bye Paul
[10:59]	Farallon Greyskin:	Yeah... but I've come to usedthat as a "feature" :D
[10:59]	Wyn Galbraith:	Bye Paul.
[10:59]	Benjamin Linden:	there were some changes to the way inventory items are accepted
[11:00]	Matthew Dowd:	yes, but the first time you accept you haven't read the notecard
[11:00]	Torley Linden:	This particular issue could stand to get more feedback... more Residents chiming in on how they feel... there are 3 commenters.
[11:00]	Matthew Dowd:	you might want to discard (i.e. delete) the notecard after reading rather than keep and hang onto it?
[11:00]	Torley Linden:	I'm interested in more actual use cases inworld and how this might apply.
[11:00]	Daedalus Young:	correct
[11:00]	Benjamin Linden:	I agree with Torley, let's let this one marinate a bit more
[11:00]	Farallon Greyskin:	That is like the most common thing for me
[11:00]	McCabe Maxsted:	would an "open after accept" option in preferences be desirable?
[11:00]	Wyn Galbraith:	There is one.
[11:01]	Kitty Barnett sends everyone an "It works like this" notecard and then everyone hits Discard after Accepting it? lol
[11:01]	Wyn Galbraith:	On Popups 'Automatically view after accepting'.
[11:01]	Torley Linden:	I think this one can stay as is... I'll leave a comment asking for more feedback then we can move on?
[11:01]	Matthew Dowd:	i think there are other issues with the new behaviour but i need to test some scenarios
[11:01]	McCabe Maxsted:	ah, thanks wyn
[11:01]	Wyn Galbraith:	yw McCabe ;)
[11:01]	Iridium Linden:	It's 11:01, so we should wrap up.
[11:02]	Torley Linden:	Ahhh the time!
[11:02]	Iridium Linden:	What are we doing with 1730?
[11:02]	Squirrel Wood:	70% uploaded...
[11:02]	Aric Linden:	thanks all. see you later.
[11:02]	Farallon Greyskin:	Yeah that s a good feature.. that works fine, and to after viewing it's nice to be able to discard so.. functinally it works. It does "look" a bit strange though
[11:02]	Benjamin Linden:	we should leave this open for now, to gather further input
[11:02]	Wyn Galbraith:	Time to swarm Robin!
[11:02]	Torley Linden:	Iridium: Commenting on it and leaving it as is... waiting for more feedback.
[11:02]	Torley Linden:	What Ben said. =)
[11:02]	Torley Linden:	Take care Aric!
[11:02]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks Aric!
[11:02]	Aric Linden:	Benjamin, sorry we didn't get coffee last week. next time
[11:02]	McCabe Maxsted waves to aric
[11:02]	Saijanai Kuhn:	thanks Benjamin, Thanks Alaric. Later Torley
[11:02]	Squirrel Wood:	Thanks for listening to our opinions and concerns :)
[11:02]	Torley Linden:	Later Saijanai. :)
[11:02]	Benjamin Linden:	np, Aric!
[11:02]	Saijanai Kuhn:	Aric
[11:03]	Torley Linden:	Thanks for being here with us, it's been good!
[11:03]	Saijanai Kuhn sighs heaviily
[11:03]	Eelke Forder:	sorry i'm new here are there any people working on accessibility features for SL? I'm working on a voice controlled client & closed captions for ambient sounds
[11:03]	Matthew Dowd:	bye
[11:03]	Saijanai Kuhn:	very kool
[11:03]	Torley Linden:	Eelke, that sounds pretty innovative.
[11:03]	Squirrel Wood:	Torley, I'll send you that video link soon
[11:03]	Farallon Greyskin:	nice meeting you all
[11:03]	Torley Linden:	OK rite on Squirrel. :D
[11:03]	Benjamin Linden:	hi Eelke, that's great news
[11:03]	Benjamin Linden:	thanks for coming Farallon, and for your patch!
[11:03]	McCabe Maxsted:	awesome, eelke
[11:04]	Matthew Dowd:	sounds good eelke
[11:04]	Eelke Forder:	i'm a member of the IGDA special interest group on accessibility, sadly the majority of games are not accessible to people with disabilities
[11:04]	Benjamin Linden:	Eelke, I'm not sure how much work has been done on accessibility, I don't think very much
[11:04]	Benjamin Linden:	I can find out
[11:04]	Torley Linden:	I've thought about spatialized audio in SL helping the visually impaired get around...
[11:04]	Torley Linden:	BRB...
[11:04]	Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
	[11:04]  Connected
[11:05]	Eelke Forder:	closed captions for ambient sounds would work
[11:05]	McCabe Maxsted ponders how that would work
[11:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	LOL Eelke!
[11:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	*hear typing*
[11:05]	Wyn Galbraith:	*big bang*
[11:05]	Eelke Forder:	well that would work for people with hearing impairments
[11:06]	Wyn Galbraith:	True.
[11:06]	Eelke Forder:	we just created a CC componetn for the torque engine
[11:06]	Torley Linden:	Hehehe.
[11:06]	Wyn Galbraith:	I work 90 pecent muted anyway.
[11:06]	Matthew Dowd:	yes but Torley was talking about visual impairment ;-)
[11:06]	Torley Linden:	Oh really Eelke? Neat.
[11:06]	Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[11:06]	Torley Linden:	What did I miss?
	[11:06]  Connected
[11:06]	Squirrel Wood:	closed captions would get quite spammy though considering the noisiness of certain environments in SL... multiple sound sources and the like
[11:06]	Saijanai Kuhn:	a scrolling list off to the side would work though
[11:06]	Benjamin Linden:	if you'd like we can take this up at our open discussion on Thursday
[11:06]	Matthew Dowd:	but yes, like Wyn, I'm working muted most of the time too, it can be quite a surprise when I switch sound on it an area I thought I knew!
[11:07]	Benjamin Linden:	can you come Thursday at 2pm Eelke?
[11:07]	Eelke Forder:	so i hooked up voice recognition to basic movements in SL its not working a 100% yet and its mac only but it would allow people with physical impairments (quadriphlegia) to play SL
[11:07]	Eelke Forder:	2 benjaming: sure
[11:07]	Saijanai Kuhn:	that wuold be totally great. Have you checked out Wheelies? A SL life nightclub owned by a Cerebral Palsey vectim?
[11:07]	Torley Linden:	HAHAHA.
[11:07]	Torley Linden:	:D
[11:07]	McCabe Maxsted:	hahahaha
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	Classic!
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	People yesterday said I was "pedestrian"...
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	:D
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	Hahahahaha.
[11:08]	McCabe Maxsted:	XD
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	I like the jeans.
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	I'm like, street savvy.
[11:08]	Eelke Forder:	eventually i would like to kind of create a text only interface (similar to the AJAX client for SL) that would allow text only interaction with SL which would also make it easier for people to use screenreaders
[11:08]	McCabe Maxsted:	torley's a hottie
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	I got this spikey hair for l$100 it was totally a bargain.
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	=^_^=
[11:08]	Iridium Linden:	What did we decide about 1730?
[11:08]	Matthew Dowd:	have you seen SLeek?
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	Iridium, just leaving it open.
[11:08]	Iridium Linden:	kk, ty
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	I commented on there for more feedback.
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	=)
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	NP.
[11:08]	Eelke Forder 2 saijana: not yet but i will check it out
[11:08]	Torley Linden:	OK Ben and I are going to go off to another meeting...
[11:09]	Benjamin Linden:	Eelke, this is very cool!
[11:09]	Saijanai Kuhn:	heading off to Robin's all.
[11:09]	Torley Linden:	Thanks for all your help and being here with us...
[11:09]	Benjamin Linden:	let's talk more about lightweight clients on Thursday
[11:09]	McCabe Maxsted:	okay, have fun you two :)
[11:09]	Torley Linden:	Have a good one until next time!
[11:09]	Squirrel Wood:	Okay. video is uploaded... waiting for u2b to "process2 it
[11:09]	Torley Linden:	Byes!
[11:09]	Benjamin Linden:	take care all!