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Transcript of [[User:Benjamin_Linden|Benjamin Linden]]'s office hours:

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| [14:09]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well since Vectorform is here I think we can go ahead and get started
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| [14:09]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Great.
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| [14:09]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yay :D
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| [14:09]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|cool just in time
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| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|might need to repeat some in an hour though lol
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| [14:09]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|many of my best regulars are here anyway :-)
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| [14:09]  
| colspan="2"|''McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted is blushing :P''
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| [14:09]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|McCabe looks like he must have been building something ;D
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| [14:09]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Stephany Linden is in another meeting so she wont' be able to join us right away
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| [14:10]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Vectorform, I didn't even ask you guys if you want to do this in voice or in chat
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| [14:10]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we run my office hours generally in text
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| [14:10]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|looks like he's been tunnelling with the moles lol
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| [14:10]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|for transcripts
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| [14:10]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Text is fine. Easier than transcribing later :)
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| [14:10]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and because not everyone uses voice
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| [14:10]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|got a new build going! wanted to get in the spirit :)
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| [14:10]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok sounds good
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| [14:11]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm assuming everyone here saw the announcement to sldev or you wouldn't be here :-)
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| [14:11]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe, yep
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| [14:11]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yup
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| [14:11]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but I'll repeat for the sake of transparency
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| [14:11]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that we've asked Vectorform to help us build a few new features in the second life viewer
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| [14:11]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and they're here today to talk to you about the project and get your insights
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| [14:11]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so I'll just let them go around and introduce themselves
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| [14:12]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oooh, can I start?
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| [14:12]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe...go ahead
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| [14:12]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hey everyone, I'm Mudflap. I'll be doing a lot of the technical work on the project.
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| [14:12]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello :D
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| [14:13]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ahoy mudflap :)
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| [14:13]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|could we get a link to your intro page on the web too?
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| [14:13]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|http://www.vectorform.com/secondlife/
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| [14:13]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm interested in hearing how you use landmarks today, how you want to use them in the future, and how we can help you navigate your world.
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| [14:13]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Mudflap I think your mic is live
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| [14:13]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks Jacek
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| [14:13]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That's it
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| [14:13]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yup, got it hooked up to my T key
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| [14:13]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sorry
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| [14:14]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello everyone. I'm Kippie. I'll be working with Vectorform on the project as the resident SL subject matter expert.
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| [14:15]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm a scripter and builder and my RL company does a lot of work in SL. So I'll be working closely with you to discuss proposed enhancements and get feedback and insight! I'm excited to be working with everyone!
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| [14:15]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Cool :) Hello there!
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| [14:15]  
| colspan="2"|''Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin waves''
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| [14:15]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
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| [14:15]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ahoy :)
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| [14:16]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi everyone, I am the project manager and would like to give you an overview of the project
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| [14:17]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we have 3 main objectives
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| [14:17]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello :)
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| [14:17]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|1. • To understand, how landmarks are currently used.
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| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|2. • To understand what new features residents would like to see.
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| [14:17]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|3/ • To understand what insights residents can lend to features such as history and back-forward options
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| [14:18]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Heya Malbers :)
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| [14:18]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|w00t malbers!
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| [14:18]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So, I'd like to invite Kippie to begin our discussions
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| [14:18]  
| Malbers&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi All.
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| [14:18]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi malbers
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| [14:20]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The goal of this project is to improve the SL user experience relating to how users manage where they are in-world, go back to the places they have been, and how favorite places (landmarks) are stored and shared.
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| [14:21]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|This includes unifying Landmarks and User Picks, as well as integrating a location history, back and forward buttons in the Viewer, and new landmark management functionality.
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| [14:21]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Neat :)
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| [14:21]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah :D
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| [14:21]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|This being the very early stages of this project, our first step is to work with residents to understand more about how landmarks are typically used.
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| [14:22]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|We'll be looking for feedback and ideas from new and experienced residents like yourselves in order to arrive at a solution that improve the user experience for the widest range of users possibe.
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| [14:23]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So, where I'd like to start off today is just a free discussion on landmarks. As someone with a scary number of landmarks that desperately need organizing, I'd like to hear how you guys use landmarks.
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| [14:23]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
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| [14:24]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|memory lol
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| [14:24]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|What prompts you to create one? How often do you create them? How do you manage them? etc
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| [14:25]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|don't everyone start at once :-)
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| [14:25]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|mu LM folder is a pretty big mess to be honest, but thats probably caused by making a quick landmark and forgetting about it until you need it and cant find it back anymore
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| [14:25]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|To create one? Usually either if it's someplace that I know I'll be coming back to (like this place here), or someplace that I think a friend would like (so I pass the LM along to them)
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| [14:25]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Or if there's a really cool build or something
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| [14:25]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yush
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| [14:25]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Do you ever rename your landmarks after you save them?
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| [14:26]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|heh. I hear you on the scary number. I have a 40k inv...
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| [14:26]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*coughs* never >.>
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| [14:26]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
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| [14:26]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes, it's important to be able to associate the name properly, so I cut out any unneccessary description in the title
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| [14:26]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I rename my landmarks to keywords so I can find them
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| [14:26]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sometimes I'll rename them, especially if I'm giving them to a friend, or if they have a reall obnoxious and long parcel name
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| [14:27]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|whenever I try to access a LM I have to think about when I took it in order to find it back. I do rename them, seldomly but I tend to forget what phrases I used to find them back later
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| [14:27]  
| Kevin&nbsp;Susenko:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I use landmarks pretty much the same way I use bookmarks in a web browser
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| [14:27]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|One time I can explicitly remember renaming a LM -- there was a cool statue of Cthulhu I came across, but the parcel name had nothing to do with that, so I added "cthulhu statue" at the end so I'd remember what was there
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| [14:27]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Does folder organization help?t
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| [14:28]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|for example if someone asks me where to find a good male clothing store I'll search my inv for "men" since I've added the keyword to all the male clothing store LMs I have
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| [14:28]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*nods at Jacek*
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| [14:28]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I have my landmarks organized into folders. Some of those, like "newbie friendly" I can drop the entire folder on someone.
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| [14:28]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|McCabe, so you're using a rudimentary tagging system when you rename your landmarks. Interesting.
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| [14:29]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what would be really awesome for somebody like me who is VERY lazy in organising, is a screen where you can Name it and Sort it under a subject -before- saving it.
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| [14:29]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|not really. The inventory is a total mess; most people don't even use filters because they're too clumsy
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| [14:29]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I do some "tagging", so that I can type in the word into the search at the top of the inventory
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| [14:29]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|better ways of finding and eliminating duplicates would be good
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| [14:30]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it all saves to teh same place, so you have to take time to create new folders, open a new window, sort the lms into the new window (we don't have a cut feature for some reason; don't ask me why)
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| [14:30]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hey FoxSan, do you feel that a dialog everytime you get a landmark would be too clumsy?
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| [14:30]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|duplicates are a pain fersure, anything you buy inworld is likely to include a landmark back to the store
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| [14:30]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no, i'd love it! it would make it a lot easier for me since i "organise" it on the fly!
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| [14:30]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|same here
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| [14:31]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1157
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| [14:31]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|some way of finding multiple landmarks that are geographically close to each other would be good
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| [14:31]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ok. thanks. How about a way to automatically weed out duplicates
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| [14:31]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Right now, when you make a landmark, it pops up and you can set the description.. same with snapshots. But you can't change the name without opening up inventory and finding it
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| [14:31]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if you want to asign yourself to something hehe *hopeful eyes*
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| [14:31]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(And descriptions aren't useful for finding things later :\)
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| [14:31]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah
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| [14:32]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|weeding out dups can be tricky since you can make a LM on 23,100,45 and at 24,101,45 which is genreally the same spot
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| [14:32]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|If anyone is familiar with how the del.icio.us plugin for firefox works, whenver you create a bookmark, it opens a window where you can type a description and then tag the item you are bookmarking. That's almost how I envision such a pop-up
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| [14:32]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|could do it by UUID. I have a ton of dupe lms from the same place
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| [14:32]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(Oh, actually, I notice that you can't even set the description in LM's now... you used to, back before they had the picture)
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| [14:32]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|from product boxes packaged with LMs, especially
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| [14:32]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah, that's why I said about finding ones that are geographically close
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| [14:32]  
| Malbers&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes, we talked extensively the other week about methods for removing duplicates in people's Inventory
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| [14:32]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah
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| [14:33]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|should be pretty easy to do by UUID for exact duplicates
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| [14:33]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but no UUID is the same >.>
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| [14:33]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you'd have two filters, one for name, one for uuid. But that's kinda off topic
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| [14:33]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|they will be for all the ones that you receive with clothes and stuff Fox
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| [14:33]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes and no, FoxSan. They actually have two UUIDs... one that unique for each inventory item. And then one that's the "asset" UUID
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| [14:34]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah okay, i didn't know that :D
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| [14:34]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|McCabe, it's not necessarily off topic if it helps you use Ls
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| [14:34]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well, LL doesn't implement new features that are stop-gaps between larger features; if it's somethign that'll help in only one small area they'll just leave it til later until they can do it all at once
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| [14:34]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah... ~_~
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| [14:35]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|frustrating for users, but I don't think they'll get dupe searching through unless it's for everything
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:35]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:35]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|k
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:36]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|geographical close landmarks are a slightly different thing though
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:36]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but a lot more difficult :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:36]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Another usefull thing maybe: the AGE of an LM. Since everything changes so fast in SL chances are that a LM is outdated in a month. So when you can see how old a LM is, you can sort them by date too and maybe delete the oldest
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:36]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Anybody know roughly how many steps between locations? e.g from 200 to 201 in any direction?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:36]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, tagging them with last visited time would be useful
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:36]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes. And the last time you visited there, if at all
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:36]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I agree. Going through old landmarks and teleporting to empty places can be a pain.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:37]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|to be able to sort lms by various means, last time visited, name, sim they're in would be a really nice ability to have
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:37]  
| Malbers&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ooo -- age of LM. Nice ideas there!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:37]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Mubflap: about two xD
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:37]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Steps between locations, Mudflap? *doesn't follow*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:37]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|how many steps for a meter i guess
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:37]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah right
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:38]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah, if I'm walking and I'm at 200,200,56. How many in world steps does it take to get to 201,200,56?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:38]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which is about two :3
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:38]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ohhhh
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:38]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|depends on your AO lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:38]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that too, yeah xD
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:38]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|true
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:38]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah, two or three steps... and yeah, depends how fast your avi seems to walk, hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:38]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|how many key taps lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:38]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ok. from thins information, we can probably investigate sorting landmarks by geographic distance.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:38]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|one keytap for me is two steps x3
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:39]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(as long as you're not in RC then you'll end up running)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:39]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|"A-one.... a-two... a-three... *CRUNCH* Three steps to get to the center of a Toostie roll LM"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:39]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it would be nice to be able to convert our landmarks into slurls that we can give to friends who aren't inworld
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:39]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:39]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|land is divided up in 4m squares
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:39]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:39]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:39]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|do landmarks download parcel info, or is it all saved when you create the lm?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:39]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|McCabe, like a copy slurl function, so it can be pasted in an email?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:39]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|good question
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:40]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh, yeah, good idea McCabe/Kippie
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:40]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yup, exactly. Like nicholaz introduced to the map, but when opening LMs from your inv. Right click, copy SLURL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:40]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Maybe right click, copy SLURL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:40]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*nodnod*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:40]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:40]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That's a great idea. Would be very useful.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:40]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(Your construction hat can't stop my psychic rays!)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:40]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|XD
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:40]  
| Mudflap&nbsp;Mighty:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So, what do you do if LMs are disabled on a parcel? How do you keep track of it?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:41]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I move aside until I can find a place where I can take one
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:41]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i sometimes make a note of it, or disregard it. no lm no visit xD
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:41]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you don't, unless someone gives you an LM for it. Or you create an slurl yourself and keep it in a notecard
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:41]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hrmm... in my experience, that doesn't come up much
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:41]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah, it's really rare
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:41]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hack the client to MAKE them let me make an LM
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:41]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:41]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:42]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thinking about it, I wanted to be able to create the LM mysself once
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:42]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah, marking a parcel as no-LM is kinda rude. Almost as bad as banlines. *shakes fist*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:42]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:42]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|mostly for people hiding in skyboxes and the like
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:42]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|grr, banlines! my bane!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:42]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:42]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it's useful for gaming sims to prevent it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:42]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:42]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|jacek, very true
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:42]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But supposing there _was_ someplace that I wanted to come back to, but didn't let me make an LM... yeah, probably record the location or SLURL in a notecard. Or maybe blog the SLURL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:42]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Another thing I'd like to inject into our discussion are User Picks. Do you use them? How often? etc.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:43]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|stop people making a landmark at the centre of the maze, that sort of thing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:43]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ah, true Aimee
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:43]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|everyone uses them; if you don't, you're weird
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:43]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:43]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LOL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:43]  
| colspan="2"|''FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke hardly ever uses picks''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:43]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Weirdo ;D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:43]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|weirdo ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:43]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:43]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:43]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|xD
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:43]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|gah! psychic rays!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:43]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|my main reason for using picks is to visit the store of someone who created something cool I've found inworld
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:43]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Why don't you use them, FoxSan?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:43]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think the RP sims use it a lot to stop people randomly tping in and breaking immersion
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:44]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well if there is a reason to prevent a user from taking a landmark to a specific place in a sim (say for agiming reasons) it could always be redirected to a common starting point.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:44]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I use LMs for my favorite places... that I want other people to know about. *ahem* >_>
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:44]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if you're a shopkeeper you keep a classified and your first pick is info about your shop for customers, either location or important info so you don't get bothered by stupid questions. The rest of the pics are either people putting up their favorite locations in sl, or using their pics to display their friends like a "top 8" type of deal
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:44]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|most people seem to use picks to make notes of their friends rather than anything geographically related
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:44]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|err I use Picks, I mean
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:44]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Kippie: Most of the time Picks are used (just like i do) as an extention of your profile. And most of the picks contain useless commercial LM's in which i have no interest
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:45]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nobody uses picks to keep places they visit often but don't want to share
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:45]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And, yeah. If you have a store (like I do! Come buy my stuff, eh heh heh), it's traditional to make a Pick for it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:45]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Also, lots of people make picks to say something nice and have a screenshot of their friends
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:45]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I keep funny quotes I hear in my picks
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:45]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as well as friends
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:45]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, also funny quotes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:46]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I guess it#s ssafe to say that picks are not a major key to LM experience
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:46]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So McCabe, if you have user picks to keep funny quotes...does the landmark tied to it relate to the quote?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:46]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yush
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:46]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nope
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:46]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That's what I thought. I see that very often.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:46]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think all of the picks in my profile are set to a welcome area, and the content unrelated
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:46]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I guess it would usually just be "wherever I was when I made this pick"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:46]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Gotcha.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:47]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*nods*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:47]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it's just something we users have come up with due to profile limitations. Yup, exactly
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:47]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|same with friends usually; just wherever I was
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:47]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|more often than not the location of picks is No Parcel, (Unknown Region)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:47]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(hopefully not somewhere too embarrassing)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:47]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|must got there some time, it seems popular
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:47]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:47]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:47]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe Aimee
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:48]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm curious if other use User PIcks for any other reasons.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:48]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|For example, I have friends who use Second LIfe mostly for exploration...to see cool places and things.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:48]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|some mentors use them to guide newbies. "check my picks for cool places" or 'check my picks to find help"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:48]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Those people, "travelers" tend to use the picks as a travel guide. I'm wondering how common that is now.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:48]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|other than that I can't think of a use we haven't already discussed
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:49]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sadly it seems to be becoming less so
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:49]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah. And some Lindens (like Torley) do that too... have a pick for a little "help file" on each topic
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:49]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So are User Picks useful at all?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:49]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|quite a few are memorials to memories of places that don't exist any more
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:49]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Their use seems to be rather diluted.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:50]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hrmm... as location markers, they have their uses
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:50]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But yes, quite diluted
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:50]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ooh yes. I've seen memorials too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:50]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm sure some have cool places to visit in the profile. Another type of interest, if you're looking at the profile of a famous fashionista, you'd probably be very curious to visit any clothing stores that they use
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:50]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh, yes. I have a "memorial" of my old garden... *sniffles*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:50]  
| colspan="2"|''McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted nods. I do check people's picks whenever I view their profiles though. There's a good chance there will be some cool place I haven't visited yet''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:51]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|people will put hteir favorite hangouts in their picks
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:51]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes, I check picks too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:51]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I couldn't say anything as to their general helpfuless, but I do read people's profiles, and I do check out their picks. I also visit the places that they link to, but I might be a rare species.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:51]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|People's picks say a lot about them, I guess
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:51]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and the company they keep *ponders some wild profiles he's seen*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:51]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Me too, that's why I'm really curious about how they are being used. I look at them as well.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:51]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol...McCabe, so true.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:51]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So, Picks have uses... lots of uses, lol. Too many uses!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:52]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:52]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So User PIcks are a way of sharing landmarks with others.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:52]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:52]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sometimes, yes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:52]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|They've been co-opted by the users into something new :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:52]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And we've touched on using SLURLS as well
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:52]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe yup
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:52]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|How else do you share your landmarks?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:52]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Drop them on another person from my inventory
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:52]  
| Bjorn&nbsp;Nordlicht:
| style="white-space:normal;"|some people put them into notecards, like a travel guide
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:52]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Picks can also be used to share second life related websites of course!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:53]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah. I have notecards like "Great places to go sailing"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:53]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which doesn't work always for some stupid reason :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:53]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I sshare my best LM by putting them in a notecard, like bjorn said, as a travelguide
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:53]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that'll have a list of LMs to waterways
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:53]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|more often than not I just remember the sim name and type it to people
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:53]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I package an LM in boxes of some items I sell or give them from my inv
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:53]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:53]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I would love to get them from NC's but that feature is missing currently (http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6092 nudge for votes)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:53]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|not the most pratical solution I'll admit
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:54]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So you are just copying and pasting info into notecards at teh moment, right?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:54]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I must admit I am guilty of sneaking a LM into products I sell at my store -- but I put them in the object contents, so they won't pollute their inventory
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:54]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*nods*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:54]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah, I like it when people do that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:54]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Not so much copy and paste, but embedding the LM items into the notecards
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:54]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Gotcha.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:54]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|embedded lms in notecards can be tp'd to
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:54]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:54]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but you have to go there and make your own lm to share it with others
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:55]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or copied to your inventory for later
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:55]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or is that only pictures?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:55]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|only pictures
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:55]  
| colspan="2"|''McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted points to jira''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:55]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|darn.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:55]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|vote vote vote
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:55]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:55]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:55]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*votes 3 times*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:55]  
| colspan="2"|''Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi smiles''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:55]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|XD
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:56]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks, FoxSan.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:56]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|up to 3 votes and counting
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:56]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So creating notecards for groups of landmarks must be rather time-consuming?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:56]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yw, a small example of adding pictures and lm's to a notecard ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:56]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes it is o.o
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:56]  
| colspan="2"|''McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted nods. We also can't send more than one inventory item to each other at a time''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:57]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|again, don't ask me why
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:57]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so if I want to give someone two or three lm's that's three inv transfers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:57]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh yes. And especially over group notices
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:57]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ooh good call!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:57]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I get a lot of lm's from group notices
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:57]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oh yeah definitely
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:57]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|If you want do distribute multiple items via group notice, you gotta stuff them in a notecard
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:57]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or into an object
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:57]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The last time I created a notecard of landmarks, it took me a great deal of time to rename them to something more aesthetic.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:57]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi Squirrel
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:57]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which makes accessing them additionaly complicated
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:57]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ahoy squirrel!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:57]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah... and you can't rename them once they're in the notecard :(
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:58]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yellow!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:58]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah, blah
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:58]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi Squirrel :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:58]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I messed up the office hours time on the sldev announcement so we got started a little early today
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:58]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I told Kippie ya'll can keep going if you want though
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:58]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yay :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:58]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|w00t
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:58]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:58]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we've only covered half the ground!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:58]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:58]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|then by all means, keep on!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:59]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Great!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [14:59]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Going back to Picks... I had an idea before of expanding it, so it's not just about locations. Have a way to actually link to an avatar, and instead of "Teleport" it could have a button for "Open Profile"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [14:59]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what if there was a preference setting for how lm names should appear when you make them?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:00]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as in, what info you actually want to have, rather than location, region and xyz?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:00]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like a way to specify the % naming format?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:00]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that might be neat, Yuu
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:00]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Good idea.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:00]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i notice that I always want to change them right away :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:01]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that would be really cool
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:01]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah. A way to edit them right away is a must
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:01]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sorry jacek I cut into your point..
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:01]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|"That place where you can find them cool shooz" versus "Blah Yada Store, XYZ Sim, 1.00, 2.21, 3.45"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:01]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|For those who have just arrived in the last few minutes, we are talking about a new project to better the SL user experience by helping residents manage their landmarks, and integrating features like a location history and back and forward buttons.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:01]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|make the picks have a generalised attachment rater than just a landmark?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|At the moment, we're talking about how we currently use Landmarks and User PIcks
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:02]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but great, do we have a feature request for that on the jira?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|cold be a landmark, person, orbject
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*object, not just spheres
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:02]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Aimee, like the way you can attach inventory to group notices?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That is an awesome idea, Aimee
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Then you could distribute freebies too :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:02]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|would be useful for stores doing freebies in the pick
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|\o/
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:02]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that would be really cool
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:02]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Heh. I find I keep collecting landmarks but hardly ever use them...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| colspan="2"|''Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli has teh psychic powers''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:02]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I like that idea!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:02]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|could put a ton of useful things there
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:03]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|did this meetin start an hour ago? heavvy sigh
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:03]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Squirrel. So what do you use instead of landmarks?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:03]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|people would look for freebies in the picks, as an incentive to view them
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:03]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|direct teleport, map stalking, known malls.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:03]  
| colspan="2"|''McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted throws bruce campbel movies at sai so he quits whining''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:03]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sai: It did due to a scheduling mishap, but we're going to keep on going :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:03]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Gotcha.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:03]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|being able to attach a notecard to a Pick would allow people to specify even more reasons why you shouldn't IM them :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:03]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it's ok, we'll now do the last hour backwards so no one misses anything Sai
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:03]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:04]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:04]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol Dimitrio
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:04]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LOL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:04]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Shhshshtshtstst Not now son. I'm making
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:04]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|TOAST!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:04]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Phillip K Dick did a story about that I think
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:04]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sorry Sai, it was my fault
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:04]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|more picks is also a popular request I hear
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:04]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I accidentally told Stephany my office hours were at 2pm
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:04]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah, so I'm only mildy confused
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:04]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|we will post transcripts
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:05]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I love the little tacos... I love them gewd. :]
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:05]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Quick question is thais about eyecandy or refactoring or both?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:05]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Kippie, do you want to do a quick recap for the new guests
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:05]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sure, I'd be happy to!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:05]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah, picks list a scrollable list like when people have lots of classified in there
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:05]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|refactoring, as I understand it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:05]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Its about improving the experience
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:05]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oooh...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:06]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|might be limited for reasons of database load though?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:06]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|from scratch or at a higher level?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:06]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hi sai :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:06]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello everyone, my name is Kippie and I'm here today to talk about a new project we're beginning with the following goals:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:06]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|IE, would we get hierachial lists not bound ot inventory types sending updates to the server?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:06]  
| Gellan&nbsp;Glenelg:
| style="white-space:normal;"|a way to order your picks (move up/move down buttons?) without having to number them, would be good
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:06]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|1. IMprove the Second Life user experience relating to how users know where they are in-world, return to places they have been, and store and share favorite places.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:07]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|2. Look for ways to unify the Landmarks and User Picks systems.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:07]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(hehe, let's let Kippie finish, then bombard her some more :D)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:07]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah, OK very high level
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:07]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|3. Introduce a location history to the Viewer
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:07]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|4, Integrate back and forward buttons to the Viewer
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:07]  
| colspan="2"|''prototypica.elemental.white.headsphere&nbsp;AVENTITY EDIT 2: hudReceiver entered state.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:07]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Since we had an early start, we've been talking about how we currently use landmarks and user picks
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:08]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|should we talk about tp history now? I would like to mention before we do that I'd really love an easy means of traveling to four or five LMs, like alt-tabbing between windows
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:08]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|actually, this goes back to my complaint about folders
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:08]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*between
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:09]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|all at once? :D one limb in each?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:09]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:09]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hahaha
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:09]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lol
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:09]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think now is a great time to talk about history and moving between places you've been.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:09]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|do not doubt my contortionist ways ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:09]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|One common complaint I hear is that if you don't set a landmark where you are, and then teleport somewhere new, it's hard to remember where you came from
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:09]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yeah
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:10]  
| colspan="2"|''McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted nods''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:10]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So, just like a web browser, we're looking at the idea of storing a history of the places you have been in SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:10]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or where you were two or three sims ago
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:10]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|set alarms to auto teleport so you never miss work, that's one I want for RL, just have make sure I get out the shower in time
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:10]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the info is obviously there. They have the SLURL posted to the chat window now
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:10]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yep.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:10]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|which is a great help actually
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:10]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The SLURL is a start
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:10]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I use it very frequently
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:11]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|slurls differ from urls in that people generally memorize the name of the place rather than the sim and its coordinates
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:11]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Right, that's a good point.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:11]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i would hate toNOT have my ysti tol andmy TP history
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:11]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like I said, it goes back to the lackof support of non-inventory items in the folders
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:11]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|mysti tool*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:11]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But if you were able to quickly view the last 5 or 10 places you have been, then you could just click to jump back there.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:12]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|kippi--i can with the mysti tool
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:12]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|What is the mysti tool, Sabina?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:12]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|literally we already have a "home' button
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:12]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ifyou could create a custom data item that would be named for teh sim's name, and contain the slurl and put it into its own hierarcial/folder window without any other issues like talking to the server
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:12]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Can you explain?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:12]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you'd be done before you even held this meeting
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:12]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I use the location info in the Chat window for tracking production work time. It would be great if I didn't have to manually extract this data.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:13]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|CHANGED_TELEPORT and CHANGED_REGION, like mystitool does it ... what more do we need? why in the viewer?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:13]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think Mysti tool is a HUD attachment that keeps track of where you go... yeah
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:13]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|scripted
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:14]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Does this tool keep track of where you've been according to just the region?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:14]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes it's by region name
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:14]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i cave yu the ser maual to
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:14]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|true Sai, personal landmarks wouldn't need to be server side
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:15]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|unless you passed them to someone else
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:15]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|In everone's opinion then, would a location history need to be any more granular then by region?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:15]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Would you ever want to see it work at the parcel level?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:15]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, it should, but that's all easy, Kippie...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:15]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the only thigs that need to be server side are things that exist on teh server already. ANy other data can be stored on teh client side EXCEPTTHE BLOODY GUI DOESN"T SPPORT THIS
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:16]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that wold be ice--but i'm ot sure how useful
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:16]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sorry for yelling but I've been screaming about the issue for 8 months now
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:16]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think parcel history is important
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:16]  
| colspan="2"|''FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke prefers a history on parcel level, not by region''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:16]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well, I'd want it to have the parcel name in it. So I can remember "XYZ Clothing Store" instead of "Some Sim Name"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:16]  
| colspan="2"|''Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn takes a deep breoath''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:16]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|webpages have titles; we should have both
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:16]  
| colspan="2"|''Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick hands Sai the oxygen''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:16]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Right, that is what I'm getting at. If you visit a region with a collection of stores, it would be more useful to you if the parcel name was there too.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:17]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|good point jacek
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|However, this poses a new question? Would this make your location history too bloated?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:17]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Is there anyway to annotate a landmark? If not, that would be useful, in the same way as Notes on profiles.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:17]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|this is a trivial GUI issue that shouldn't nee d discussion. Just prototype a dzen interfaces with folders arranged as you liek in the window and let the users chose... Oh wait, no real folders. never mind.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah. But I'm not sure if I'd want it to list _every_ parcel I visited....
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Like if I'm just passing through
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:17]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And, that is something that we are proposing in this new project. I really like that idea.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:17]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|very true, Jacek
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:18]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Why not an option to select which fields to collect?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:18]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|can the parcle hx be in a lil hiearchy--like by region/then parcle?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:18]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Right....so then we need to figure out how a location history is set.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:18]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and yeah, I hear you sai. The UI sometimes makes me just want to bang my head against things, but the lindens will do what they do
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:18]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Would it be set according to time spent within a parcel?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:18]  
| Gellan&nbsp;Glenelg:
| style="white-space:normal;"|are we suggesting a teleport history? or location history? If I walk across an "ad farm" do I get 25 new entries?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:18]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So maybe if you spent X minutes in a parcel. Or have a button to manually mark a place, in case you know you want it in history, but don't want to wait around
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:18]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So if you just passed through, it wouldn't store the location?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:18]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Jacek...exactly.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:18]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and by things, I mean pointy rocks hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:18]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I don't see what the problem is that's being solved here, that isn't just recording stuff already known to a script. just record parcel info and save it with each TP
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:18]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it's giving access to everyone easily
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:19]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Again, you could set a threshhold on the user side
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:19]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it's like the need for a clientside ao: we have scripted options, but they're not optimal
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:19]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Qie: We're actually discussing a larger project that will result in changes to the GUI to make the use of landmarks and history/location more useful.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:19]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah, well... I would like Landmark semantics to be more accessible to scripts: specifically global coordinates
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:20]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah, there's a whole new can of worms to go through, hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:20]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Script interfaces and what data they can access
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:20]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Okay...my apologies for jumping around a bit..but this bring up a good point of discussion.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:20]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|If each piece of information regarding a landmark were stored as a separate element, you could do a lot with that information easily
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:21]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Kippie. The only issue is folders that can hold items that aren't inventory specific. Like a text file with a name and custom info embedded in the file
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:21]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But, I think a TP history would be nice to have in the UI by default
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:21]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Let's talk for a few minutes about what data, specifically, we would like to have from a landmark.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:21]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what about tighter integration of the map and lms?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:21]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|here's another example of a "trivial" project that is made crazy by the GUI design of SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:21]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sai: yes, you've said that's the only issue, but I think many people would argue that there are other issues ;)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:21]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you mean like creating an LM from the map? I thought that was too database intensive
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:21]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I ran into exactly the same issue when making a keyword browser for the LSL editor
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:21]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you mean, the ability to see your landmarks visually on the world map?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:21]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ooh, that would be neat O.o
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:22]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes.. I'm not usre Icare muchabout a picture on a floater
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:22]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|before I can open the map with it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:22]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|all those issues are one-offs. The interface is all the user cares about. All the other info is already available as you pointed out, because the SL+URL is already available after each TP
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:22]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it's kinda like the postcards map on the website
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:23]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|its merely a mater of grabbing the existing info and storing it in one convenient interface (or a dozen prototypes)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:23]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well we're also discussing what that interface should be
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:23]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|its only complicated because of the existing GUI.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:23]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the GUI should be tirvial.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:23]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but its not because its totally borked
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:23]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|speaking as someone who has already implemented a non-inventory heriarchy for the GUI
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:24]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Googlemaps world map within the interface with layers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:24]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvEKiGSYm0k
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:24]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if the GUI supported that interface in the video, you wouldn't be having this meeting
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:24]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sai: Yes, there are lots of concerns from a programmer side. But 99.9% of SL users are _not_ going to go mucking around the source code to improve their interface. So we're trying to find ways to make it more usable for them
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:25]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if the GUI supported flash I'd be able to see that video :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:25]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|((hehe)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:26]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Jacek, if the interface supported normal folders, you'd have the ability to submit a dozen mockups after 2 hours work, and let LL or the end-users decide which they preferred
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:27]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That's great, but not really the focus of the discussion today, Sai. Let's please focus
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:27]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So we are beginning to stray a little from our main discussion today.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:28]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|As I said earlier, we're beginning a new project to help improve the overall user experience regarding landmark management and location history. THis will involve UI improvements and changes. For example, we've already discussed the forward and back buttons
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:28]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|someone mentioned alt-tabbing between locations
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:29]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I sort of like the idea
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:29]  
| Sabina&nbsp;Stenvaag:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i've sad it before--i would like to look at someoens Picks and collect a Landmark to their pick
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:29]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*nods* That would be nice
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:29]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But we're also talking about ways to create a better UI for management landmarks so they are easier to work with - whether that is folder based, tagged, etc.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:30]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I guess this would also touch on changes to the way tp's are being handled
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:30]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|in term so fthe viewer experience
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:30]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yuu: How so?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:31]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd say keep the LM folder, once one has clicked on Create LM a screen opens with a field whereryou can adda short description and a list of categories. The categories match a list of folders in the LM folder.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:31]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if there was an alt-tab sort of way to get around, the tp experience would need to be altered
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:31]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That would be neat, FoxSan. Like a drop-down list that shows the "categories" (folders you've created), and you can file it for future reference right away
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:31]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|tp's are sort of one at a time processes right now - not meant to be super -spontaneous
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:32]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|like flipping between browser tabs for example
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:32]  
| colspan="2"|''Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn chuckles at the discussion of folders''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:32]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|What about a table approach to LMs that allowed you to not only view all of your landmarks in a list view but allowed the editing of non-key fields in bulk?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah, locations in SL are rather different than locations in a web browser, or files open in a text editor... you can only be one place in SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:33]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|could it be overwhelming for the average resident?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It is much too time consuming dealing with inventory items in general one at a time
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:33]  
| colspan="2"|''Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn wonders how many have attempted to add a new folder type to the GUI and succeded? The only one he has met is Dale Glass (Siajanai faled)''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:33]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|overwhelming for the sims, too, if a lot more TPs
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:34]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And: that would be a great idea to start with. FOr everybody to sort out their HUEG pile of LM's
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:34]  
| Gellan&nbsp;Glenelg:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I don't think so Dimitrio. Is Creating a bookmark/favourite in web browser, renaming it/choosing a folder overwhelming?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:34]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|RE: tabbed locations - I can barely Thanks, Fox
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:34]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|have you seen my bookmark folder? D:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:34]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is crating a new folder type int eh GUI overwhelming? YES
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:34]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|boy, that came out badly
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:35]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if we do keep LM's/tp history in the inventory, can we please at least get custom tabs? I've been wanting custom tabs for my inv ever since I first joined SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:35]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is creating a new data typeto be kept in standard folders overwhelming? YES!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:35]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I agree with McCabe: there has to be a different approach than just folders
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:35]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|One idea that has been discussed is removing landmarks from the inventory and creating a new floater where they can be managed.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:36]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|One idea I've been playing with (in my head , at least) is the concept of bins, like thoe used in video editing software
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:36]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sounds like a good thing to try
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:36]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Maybe like a travel log where you could sort your landmarks in various ways. For example: viewing landmarks by the date they were created.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:36]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Selecting a category for folder placement when creating landmarks would be great... there's always going to be responsibility on the individual user to maintain their inventory and keep it organized though
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:37]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Kippie, those are good ideas
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:37]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the inv is prolly the worst part of the functional gui at this point, honestly
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:38]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes, it can be cumbersome. So this project presents a great opportunity to create a new UI for managing landmarks and considering how this new UI approach may be adopted for future UI improvements as well.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:39]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:39]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Especially at this phase in the project, we're looking for your ideas and opinions.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:39]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The goal is to make the improve the user experience of the Viewer for both new and veteran residents.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Kippie, why stop at organising landmarks and continue the same thing for textures? >.>
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, Fox...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It's a great idea, Fox.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe. Phase 2 :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|every thing needs the same abilities... and that's why Sai is onto something
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But for this project, we want to keep focused on one area. :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|texure organizing o.o
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]  
| colspan="2"|''McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted nods at qie''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I would start with reworking the individual item approach first
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:40]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i so desperately miss a preview pane and a good sorting method
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:40]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Do it for LMs... refactor it and generalize the approach so you can apply it to other things. *nod nod*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:41]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes kippie, but if there are approaches that cover this area as well they shouldnt be dismissed as offtopic.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:41]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd like a floater, really. Two tabs, a tp history and a landmark store that can be sorted by various means. I'd like to be able to do some things with them that I can't before, and if t his can be generalized to improve the rest of the UI I'd love it even more
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:42]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|What things would you like to be abl to do with the landmarks, McCabe?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:43]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I think it's already been said; right click, copy slurl, rename on creation, tag, sort by tag, date, time created, time last visited, name
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:44]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|How about ways of sharing landmarks?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:45]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|how about r-click > Send to...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:45]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Let's follow the floater idea for management landmarks for a moment. What if you were able to designate a landmark as a favorite or "pick" from this floater and have it shared iwth other residents?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:45]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd love a right click and give to person, then open the person chooser
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:45]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but that should be there for all inv
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:45]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|true
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:45]  
| Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi:
| style="white-space:normal;"|a check mark in friend list - share lm (in folder x) with this person?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:45]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It would be neat if you could drag a LM into your picks to make a new one
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|new pick
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:46]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sharing folders... that sounds good O.o
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46]  
| Bjorn&nbsp;Nordlicht:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I was thinking that Jacek, and why stop with landmarks, anything should be able to share through profile
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:46]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(sharing folders really *does* sound good)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|What if you didn't even have to drag it, Jacek? If you had a floater landmark management UI, and could designate with a checkbox a user pick, you could potentially have it automatically display in your profile.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:46]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Deja vu :D
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:46]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd like that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:47]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|there's so few picks it prolly doesn't warrent a checkbox though
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:47]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|how do you handle the comments bit of it then?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:47]  
| Bjorn&nbsp;Nordlicht:
| style="white-space:normal;"|drag and drop onto profile, or drag to "trashcan" icon to delete
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:48]  
| Bjorn&nbsp;Nordlicht:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is fairly typical
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hrmm... yeah. I mean, it's quite rare that I create a landmark when I want it in my picks. I guess because I'd just make it in my picks, hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:48]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'd assume it'd just create a blank pick linked to the lm
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But if I've already got a LM (like from a friend), it would be nice to turn it into a pick without having to TP there and make a new pick manually
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:48]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Right, this method saves a step.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:48]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|can we do popup text entry?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:49]  
| Malbers&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Perhaps just an easier way to convert an LM to a Pick...?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:49]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|turn it into a pic, window pops up asking you for the name and discription
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:49]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*pick
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:49]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Do you ever think you might want to type a custom name and description for a regular landmark?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:49]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Maybe notes about the place you went to that you might want to save for later?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:49]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah. I'm not sure a whole button showing for every LM would be necessary, because of how infrequently I'd probably do it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oh lord. Notes needs to be entirely redone, it's so useless now. We need a universal notebook that we can always check, not one in each person's profile
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:50]  
| colspan="2"|''Yuu&nbsp;Nakamichi nods''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|these things need to be searchable too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:50]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah, like the example I mentioned earlier, where I put a keyword in the LM name so I could find it later... would be great to have a searchable field
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:50]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I keep my notes offline
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, searchability is a must
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|note in someones profile "useful contact re: project blah"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|completely useless at the moment
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as you'll never find it again
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:51]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yea
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:51]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:52]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I keep all notes in my own profile :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:52]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Then I can always find them
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| [15:52]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|This is why these elements should be accessible as data elements to us, not just in the individual cards and displays
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| [15:52]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I sometimes put a note about people, so if they IM me later I can remember who the heck they are :D
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| [15:52]  
| Ash&nbsp;Meersand:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I came here to talk about two objects being unable to be rezzed because the viewer says they're missing from the database.
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| [15:52]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|profile notes tend to get erased easily currently
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| [15:52]  
| Ash&nbsp;Meersand:
| style="white-space:normal;"|They are from the library, so I suppose they're fairly noticeable.
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| [15:52]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Again, let's remember that for the purposes of this project, we're focusing on landmarks and navigation.
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| [15:52]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it would be nice to have notes about LMs: instead of a description field a text entry area where we could enter info about each lm, then when we click on it in the floater it shows us the info; sort of like how the description field should have been
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| [15:52]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ash- wrong hours
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| [15:52]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ash - what objects?
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| [15:52]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|link them to vCards and export them so you can associate them with the person's RW identity
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| [15:53]  
| Ash&nbsp;Meersand:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh, sorry.
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| [15:53]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|If the enhancements made work well for other areas, this project will help lay the foundation for those future changes.
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| [15:53]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|For LMs -- I would _love_ a field where I can edit it, right when the new LM pops up on my screen, instead of having to go into the inventory and find it again
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| [15:53]  
| Ash&nbsp;Meersand:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Harajuku Female Simple Necklace and Nightclub Female beanie
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| [15:53]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|this would definitely need to be accessible outside of clicking the lm, but it might help people who need reminders to implement it this way
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| [15:53]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Name, description, maybe some other metadata would be nice
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| [15:54]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That I could fill out on the spot
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| [15:54]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The more data is collected the better, even parcel owner might be useful.
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| [15:54]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ash - Confirmed on the necklace, file a pjira issue, if one doesn't exist
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| [15:54]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|A keywords option for LMs would be nice
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:55]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|confirmed on beanie, too, Ash
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| [15:55]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ash - Confirmed on the Beanie as well
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| [15:55]  
| Ash&nbsp;Meersand:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It said I can't file tickets because I have a basic account
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| [15:55]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes yes, renaming and keywords so we can sort these things!
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| [15:55]  
| Ash&nbsp;Meersand:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks for your help
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:55]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|As far as data associated with LMs, the two important things for me are: 1) finding it again later (by searching), and 2) remembering why I LMed it in the first place
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| [15:56]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Jacek, maybe a secondary description field? "I lm'd this place because they have awesome scenery" ?
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| [15:56]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well, even the normal description field is fine for that, except it's a hassle to edit it. Same with the name
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| [15:57]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|would we really need two? If they were implemented correctly one would suffice
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| [15:57]  
| colspan="2"|''McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted nods. Exactly''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:57]  
| Dimitrio&nbsp;Lewis:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Perhaps the normal description for the parcel you might not want to delete?
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| [15:57]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and we can't search descriptions
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| [15:57]  
| And&nbsp;Eun:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Fields to collect for landmarks: Name | Desc | SLURL | Region | Parcel | Last Visited | Keywords | Notes
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| [15:57]  
| Bjorn&nbsp;Nordlicht:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I agree, only one that is scrollable or something
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| [15:58]  
| Qie&nbsp;Niangao:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, again, a general benefit to being able to search *all* text descriptions
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| [15:58]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|If I want to make a new LM and add a note or keyword to search for it later... I have to create it, then open up inventory and find it (God bless the recent items tab), then right click -> properties, and enter it there
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| [15:58]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|firefox3 does this great thing with bookmarks now
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| [15:58]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|you type something into the address bar and it searches both the title and the url
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| [15:59]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and depending on frequency of visits/relevance the list is ordered
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| [15:59]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Cool, McCabe
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| [15:59]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Okay everyone, I think we've approached the end of our session for today. I want to thank everyone for their input today. We're very excited to be working on this project and being able to work with residents to enhance the VIewer.
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| [15:59]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks for your input everyone
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| [15:59]  
| colspan="2"|''AKEYO_shoe_chuck&nbsp;RIGHT [script:chucks.core]: Script run-time error''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:59]  
| colspan="2"|''AKEYO_shoe_chuck&nbsp;RIGHT [script:chucks.core]: Too Many Listens''
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| [15:59]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if we had a searchable and easily editable description this would fit in nicely and make the whole system wonderfully cool to look at as well as useful
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| [15:59]  
| colspan="2"|''AKEYO_shoe_chuck&nbsp;LEFT [script:chucks.core]: Script run-time error''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:59]  
| colspan="2"|''AKEYO_shoe_chuck&nbsp;LEFT [script:chucks.core]: Too Many Listens''
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| [15:59]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehe
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| [15:59]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yw :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:59]  
| Jacek&nbsp;Antonelli:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks for having us, Ben and Kippie and the rest :)
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| [15:59]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and thanks for doing such a great job driving the discussion, Kippie!
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| [15:59]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|If you have questions or ideas, please feel free to IM me any time.
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| [15:59]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes, Thanks Kippie~
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:59]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [15:59]  
| Kippie&nbsp;Friedkin:
| style="white-space:normal;"|No problem :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [15:59]  
| colspan="2"|''Benjamin&nbsp;Linden have offered friendship to Kippie Friedkin''
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| [15:59]  
| Rynnan&nbsp;Riggles:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [16:00]  
| McCabe&nbsp;Maxsted:
| style="white-space:normal;"|take care
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [16:00]  
| Pier&nbsp;Jaecies:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks to everyone for such great input!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [16:00]  
| Stephany&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Bye everyone. Thanks for coming!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [16:00]  
| Benjamin&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thanks all! see you next week at the *correct* time -- 3pm :-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [16:00]  
| FoxSan&nbsp;Yosuke:
| style="white-space:normal;"|byebyes :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [16:00]  
| Aimee&nbsp;Trescothick:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bye
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [16:00]  
| Malbers&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks for all your great ideas and feedback.
|}