User:Darrius Gothly/Community Tools User Group 2011-03-31

Attendees List

• Kung Fu Marketer (amanda.linden)
• bob Iwashi (bob.iwashi)
• bytatoo (bytatoo)
• Caitlin 'Caity' Tobias (caitlin.tobias)
• Lord of Dee (ciaran.laval)
• Cummere Mayo (cummere.mayo) (User's Wiki Page)
• Daniel Voyager (daniel.voyager) (User's Wiki Page)
• Darrius Gothly (darrius.gothly) (User's Wiki Page)
• Deej Kasshiki (deej.kasshiki)
• DogWomble Dollinger (dogwomble.dollinger)
• draconis.neurocam (draconis.neurocam)
• Jeremy Linden (jeremy.linden) (User's Wiki Page)
• Ţסּř๔ẹ (jorge.erin)
• Lexie (lexie.linden)
• Lisa Fossett (lisa.fossett)
• Marianne McCann (marianne.mccann) (User's Wiki Page)
• Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ (nad.warrior)
• Opensource Obscure (opensource.obscure) (User's Wiki Page)
• Peewee Musytari (peewee.musytari)
• Qie (qie.niangao)
• Rand (rand.linden)
• Raymond Linden (raymond.linden)
• starlight Midal (starlight.midal)
• Suspiria (suspiria.finucane)
• Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks (tankmaster.finesmith)
• teddy Zepp (teddy.zepp)
• Torben (torben.trautman)
• tulinhogatinholindinho12 (tulinhogatinholindinho12)
• Veluu Faulds (veluu.faulds)
• Venus Petrov (venus.petrov)
• COCOON (wildcat.furse)
• Wilhiam Hydraconis (wilhiam.hydraconis)

Transcript for Thursday March 31, 2011

[12:45]	Daniel Voyager	hey everyone
[12:45]	Suspiria	Hi all
[12:45]	Darrius Gothly	Howdy Daniel. Hello Suspiria.
[12:45]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	hello everyone
[12:45]	Suspiria	:) Nice to see you here Darrius
[12:46]	Darrius Gothly	Thank you Suzy.
[12:46]	Darrius Gothly	Heya Wilhiam.
[12:46]	Lisa Fossett	goes to read the agenda
[12:46]	Darrius Gothly	checks Wilhiam's blood pressure ... "Yup, you're okay." *grin*
[12:46]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	lol
[12:46]	Darrius Gothly	Hello Lisa.
[12:46]	Lisa Fossett	Smiles and waves at everyone :)
[12:47]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	had an IV of icecubes prior to coming here, Darrius
[12:47]	Venus Petrov	hey all ㋡
[12:47]	Suspiria	Hi Draconis
[12:47]	Darrius Gothly	LOL It woiked. I originally got some coffee but .. apparently cats like coffee too. (They won the battle .. superior weaponry on their part.)
[12:47]	Darrius Gothly	Howdy Venus.
[12:47]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	hello Venus ^.^
[12:47]	Venus Petrov	hiya Darrius
[12:47]	draconis.neurocam	hey suspiria
[12:47]	Venus Petrov	hey Wil!
[12:48]	draconis.neurocam	hey darius
[12:48]	Darrius Gothly	Hello draconis.
[12:48]	Daniel Voyager	Here's todays Agenda http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[12:48]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	【ツ】 Hi ! 【ツ】
[12:48]	Daniel Voyager	:)
[12:48]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	can items still be added to the agenda when it starts , Daniel ?
[12:48]	Daniel Voyager	Yes.
[12:48]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	ok
[12:48]	Lisa Fossett	Thanks, DV :)
[12:49]	Venus Petrov	hiya Cait
[12:49]	Darrius Gothly	Hey CaTo.
[12:50]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	hoi huishoudelijke godin .. ^.^
[12:50]	bob Iwashi	blimey we're all keen thsio week
[12:50]	Darrius Gothly	Howdy Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ
[12:50]	Darrius Gothly	Hello bob.
[12:50]	bob Iwashi	hi everyone
[12:50]	Lisa Fossett	Bob, please...cut it off before I go postal
[12:50]	Daniel Voyager	10 minutes left...
[12:50]	Darrius Gothly	Hello Ţסּř๔ẹ
[12:50]	Venus Petrov	covers her ears
[12:50]	bob Iwashi	stop
[12:51]	Venus Petrov	ty
[12:51]	Lisa Fossett	Thank you :)
[12:51]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	gotta love Phoenix' mute gestures feature
[12:51]	Darrius Gothly	agrees there ...
[12:52]	Veluu Faulds	ey its the cap'n
[12:52]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	okies CaTo
[12:52]	Ţסּř๔ẹ	Hi everyone
[12:52]	Venus Petrov	hiya Jorge
[12:52]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	nods.
[12:52]	Cummere Mayo	ello
[12:52]	Lisa Fossett	coffee and cheese sandwich...crunchy!
[12:52]	bob Iwashi	substitute the coffee for nukey brown and you're sorted
[12:52]	Darrius Gothly	bob .. you DO intend to pass that around, right?
[12:53]	Venus Petrov	hiya Wildcat!
[12:53]	COCOON	Heya all!!!
[12:53]	COCOON	hey Venus ^^
[12:53]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	hey Wildcat ^.^
[12:53]	bob Iwashi	to all who want it
[12:53]	Venus Petrov	*meows*
[12:53]	COCOON	hey Wilhiam
[12:53]	COCOON	O.o *mew* *mew* o.O
[12:53]	COCOON	☠ °•·.·´¯`·.·•✰ ◕‿◕ ✰•·.·´¯`·.·•☠
[12:53]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Miaowrrll !! =^.^=
[12:53]	Darrius Gothly	Thank you.
[12:54]	COCOON	hey Darrius ^^
[12:54]	Darrius Gothly	Hello wildcat.
[12:54]	Darrius Gothly	Hey Peewee
[12:54]	Venus Petrov	hey Peewee
[12:54]	Peewee Musytari	Halllooooo everybody peeps
[12:54]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	【ツ】 Hi ! 【ツ】 Peewee
[12:55]	Peewee Musytari	yo lexie
[12:55]	Darrius Gothly	Howdy Lexie.
[12:55]	Lexie	yo
[12:55]	Venus Petrov	hiya Lexie
[12:55]	Lexie	㋡
[12:55]	Daniel Voyager	Hey Lexie :)
[12:55]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	OY!
[12:56]	Lexie	hahaa
[12:56]	bob Iwashi	hwey lexie i landed first thisweek :) your headsi asfe
[12:56]	bob Iwashi	is safe*
[12:56]	Suspiria	.
[12:56]	Venus Petrov	wb Cait
[12:56]	Darrius Gothly	wb CaTo
[12:57]	Suspiria	wb cato
[12:57]	Venus Petrov	hiya Deej
[12:57]	Darrius Gothly	Howdy Deej
[12:57]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	hey Deej
[12:57]	Deej Kasshiki	Hello Venus
[12:57]	Deej Kasshiki	Hello guys
[12:57]	Cummere Mayo	waves to everyone
[12:58]	Venus Petrov	smiles@Cummere
[12:58]	Deej Kasshiki	Things are still rezzing, sorry if I bump into anyone
[12:58]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	waves back.
[12:58]	Darrius Gothly	Oops ... Howdy Cummere. Sorry I missed ya earlier.
[12:58]	Cummere Mayo	im not gonna talk as much today. im really really pissed off
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari	Lexie is there any SL merchandise in RL...tshirts, mugs whatever?...someone was asking about it on answers and couldn`t find anything about any
[12:58]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Linden bears ^.^
[12:58]	Lexie	Peewee, I am not sure. There used to be
[12:58]	Peewee Musytari	i searched everywhere I could think of lol
[12:58]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	what is this?
[12:59]	draconis.neurocam	hello rand
[12:59]	Darrius Gothly	Howdy Rand.
[12:59]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	a linden
[12:59]	Suspiria	Bans don't hurt Cummere :)
[12:59]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	and i have an animated Philip Linden for you if you'd like
[12:59]	Darrius Gothly	Hello DogWomble.
[12:59]	Peewee Musytari	a RL one?
[12:59]	COCOON	inflatable or animated?
[12:59]	Peewee Musytari	lol
[12:59]	Rand	Howdy!
[12:59]	DogWomble Dollinger	hey darrius
[12:59]	Venus Petrov	lol
[12:59]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	anothe rlinden
[12:59]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	naughty, Wildcat .. lol
[12:59]	Darrius Gothly	Welcome Amanda.
[12:59]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	it's my birthday
[12:59]	COCOON	lol
[12:59]	Kung Fu Marketer	hey all.
[12:59]	Peewee Musytari	yoyo amanda :)
[12:59]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	hello Amanda
[12:59]	Cummere Mayo	yes they do suspira... though im not banned off the forum... aparently i am off jira and no one bothered to tell me why
[12:59]	COCOON	happy birthday THE ^^
[13:00]	bob Iwashi	fraternal greeting, salutations, and warm alohas
[13:00]	Darrius Gothly	Spanking party for Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ after the meeting!
[13:00]	Venus Petrov	happy birthday
[13:00]	Cummere Mayo	or even that I was banned off the jira
[13:00]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	no homo
[13:00]	Deej Kasshiki	Good to see so many forumites here
[13:00]	Peewee Musytari	heya raymond
[13:00]	Raymond Linden	Hi All
[13:00]	Lexie	Hi
[13:00]	Venus Petrov	hiya
[13:00]	bob Iwashi	have we "started" yet?
[13:00]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	i wish my boy c toy were here
[13:00]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	comin atchu
[13:00]	bob Iwashi	onigokko
[13:00]	COCOON	hi raymond
[13:01]	bob Iwashi	sorry, had to see :)
[13:01]	Raymond Linden	Hi Cocoon
[13:01]	Darrius Gothly	Howdy Ciaran.
[13:01]	Venus Petrov	hiya Ciaran
[13:01]	Torben	hi all
[13:01]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	hello Ciaran ^>^
[13:01]	Suspiria	Hi Ciaran :)
[13:01]	Darrius Gothly	Hello Torben.
[13:01]	Venus Petrov	hey Torben
[13:01]	Lord of Dee	Hi guys and girls
[13:01]	Peewee Musytari	heya torben :)
[13:01]	COCOON	hey ciaran, torben ^^
[13:01]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	und Gutenabend Torben
[13:01]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	lindens are here
[13:02]	Deej Kasshiki	Nad you look like you're about to rob a bank :)
[13:02]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	i am in a better mood
[13:02]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	i'm run shit, yeah
[13:02]	Kung Fu Marketer	hey all, here's the agenda for those who want to take a look, add things.
[13:02]	Kung Fu Marketer	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:02]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	can i add an item verbally ( The Linden scam spam issue ? )
[13:03]	Kung Fu Marketer	actually, that's something that raymond can address at the top, if you like.
[13:03]	bob Iwashi	may i ask, did we get an answer to my query last week about the Lindens in Support holding office hours to hear our concerns?
[13:03]	Darrius Gothly	seconds Wil's request...
[13:03]	Suspiria	.
[13:03]	Kung Fu Marketer	well, welcome everyone! nice big group here.
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari	\o/ "YAYYYY!!!"
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari	||
[13:03]	Peewee Musytari	_/\_
[13:03]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	that would be great Amanda
[13:03]	Kung Fu Marketer	maybe raymond and the rest of the linden team can give some general updates....
[13:03]	Jeremy Linden	Hello, Kung Fu Marketer :-)
[13:03]	Kung Fu Marketer	;)
[13:03]	Raymond Linden	Ok, sure I can give some updates
[13:04]	bob Iwashi	jeremy!! hope you like the flowers fella :)
[13:04]	Kung Fu Marketer	anyone on the linden side wanna go first?
[13:04]	Kung Fu Marketer	sure--raymond, you go
[13:04]	Raymond Linden	It has been a big week from the implementation side!
[13:04]	Torben	Hi Mari
[13:04]	Jeremy Linden	Flowers?
[13:04]	Marianne McCann	Hey all!
[13:04]	Raymond Linden	As you probably already know, the Reply functionality went live early Wednesday.
[13:04]	Lexie	yay!
[13:04]	Torben	WOOOHOOO!!!!
[13:04]	Venus Petrov	awesome
[13:04]	Raymond Linden	This functionality shows who you are replying to in a thread and provides a link to the post you are replying to. This is a great addition. Thanks all for your suggestions!
[13:04]	Peewee Musytari	heya jeremy
[13:04]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	lexie...anothe rlinden
[13:04]	Marianne McCann	Very glad to see that!
[13:04]	Daniel Voyager	yay
[13:04]	Raymond Linden	We also just rolled out a fix to the Logon this morning. . .
[13:05]	Raymond Linden	Essentially, the fix is as follows:
[13:05]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	an essential addition that is welcomed much i believe
[13:05]	Peewee Musytari	its great raymond :)
[13:05]	Raymond Linden	If you are not logged in and are viewing a page within the community . . .. and then Log-in . . .. . you will remain on the page you are viewing instead of being sent to the top level Blog page. Definitely a better log-in experience!
[13:05]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	nad is the new imperator of SL *
[13:05]	Darrius Gothly	WOOT! Ty Raymond.
[13:05]	Raymond Linden	What else . . .we removed some words from the Smut list. Added some words to the Spell-Checker. . ..
[13:05]	Raymond Linden	By the way . . .if you find words that are not in the spell checker and should be, please let me know.
[13:05]	Marianne McCann	One of my least favorite bugs, squashed!
[13:05]	Venus Petrov	wonderful
[13:05]	Raymond Linden	Please note however: The spell checker will give you an alert if the word begins a sentence and is not capitalized.
[13:05]	Raymond Linden	We are also still continuing to scope out some UI work. Hoping to get that started next week.
[13:05]	Darrius Gothly	Is "chink" such a naughty word these days Raymond?
[13:05]	Lord of Dee	Did you do anything with single signon? I had to login twice today for first time in weeks, or was that when you were tweaking?
[13:06]	Raymond Linden	For example . .. adding a "Reply" button to the bottom of an entire thread. Changing some light gray fonts to darker gray, and some spacing/alignment issues.
[13:06]	Marianne McCann	Um. Yes, yes it is
[13:06]	Suspiria	Depends on the armor Darrius :)
[13:06]	Darrius Gothly	LOL
[13:06]	Raymond Linden	Community Guidelines have been translated . . .Rand can speak to that. Here is a link:
[13:06]	Raymond Linden	https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Discussion_guidelines
[13:06]	Darrius Gothly	When I was 20 .. it was. But now? Not so much.
[13:06]	Marianne McCann	But ya.. context is key
[13:06]	Raymond Linden	Lexie - any updates on the Answers sorting?
[13:07]	Rand	Look in the wiki page at lower left... "In other languages" are links to the translations
[13:07]	Veluu Faulds	took a snapshot
[13:07]	Lexie	Not yet but it is being looked at.
[13:07]	Rand	Thanks very much to the community translators who did the translations!
[13:07]	Kung Fu Marketer	i have an update re: moderation...
[13:07]	Lexie	Will update as soon as possible ㋡
[13:07]	Raymond Linden	Yes, that issue is in Lithium's hands being reviewed
[13:07]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	me i did shit
[13:07]	Peewee Musytari	poor old answers hehe
[13:07]	Kung Fu Marketer	so, your suggestion is in practice. :)
[13:07]	Raymond Linden	So, that's about it from the implementation side
[13:07]	Kung Fu Marketer	i have alerted the moderators that everything that happened in first week (like warnings) don't count towards bans.
[13:07]	Lexie	niiice
[13:08]	Venus Petrov	great ty
[13:08]	Kung Fu Marketer	sure thing.
[13:08]	Kung Fu Marketer	it's in effect right now.
[13:08]	Kung Fu Marketer	was on monday.
[13:08]	Darrius Gothly	Has there been any consideration toward enabling Lithium's "Ideas" functionality?
[13:08]	Suspiria	When is that going to take effect, the amnesty?
[13:08]	Suspiria	Mine weren't removed
[13:08]	Kung Fu Marketer	they are not removed, but they are not counted towards bans.
[13:08]	Peewee Musytari	yeah darrius I think that`d be good too
[13:08]	Suspiria	same answer
[13:08]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	not quite
[13:09]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	how many lindens here are gonna back nad warrior?
[13:09]	Darrius Gothly	Sort of a "JIRA for Newbies"
[13:09]	Peewee Musytari	instead of feedback forum which is a general everything forum now lol
[13:09]	Suspiria	Mine wasn't removed
[13:09]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	i must say the forums have improved since the switch to Lithium
[13:09]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	with a few bumps
[13:10]	Suspiria	Does that amnesty work for everyone?
[13:10]	Kung Fu Marketer	and, raymond, any updates on the spam issue....
[13:10]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	points his ears.
[13:10]	Kung Fu Marketer	towards bans
[13:10]	Lexie	We are working on the current portions of the platform, so ideas really is not something we have looked at too much yet
[13:10]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	krumps.
[13:10]	Kung Fu Marketer	that is. :)
[13:10]	Kung Fu Marketer	yes, suspiria, any warnings that took place (for anyone) during the first week don't count as bans.
[13:10]	Raymond Linden	Well . . .. we have been successful blocking some of it on the back end. But, now there is spam with images
[13:10]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	so wait... i can ball harder?
[13:10]	Kung Fu Marketer	and thanks william. :)
[13:10]	Raymond Linden	And image spam is more difficult to deal with. But, we are working on it
[13:10]	Marianne McCann	Maaan. Missed my chance to act out
[13:10]	Suspiria	So when will mine be lifted and taken off my record?
[13:10]	Darrius Gothly	Lexie .. please do give it extra consideration. I think it would make an excellent tool for feeback and improvements toward the future.
[13:10]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	yw, Amanda
[13:10]	Kung Fu Marketer	suspiria--i believe that i've answered your quetsion.
[13:10]	Kung Fu Marketer	question
[13:11]	Torben	Mari, I totally thought the same
[13:11]	Lexie	Noted Darrius!
[13:11]	Darrius Gothly	Ty
[13:11]	Peewee Musytari	did something happen today to direct non-english people to the forums?...a whole load arrived on answers at same time, all diff languages
[13:11]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	i will use caps
[13:11]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Raymond .. i posted in CF my findings about the spammer
[13:11]	Suspiria	Yes you have
[13:11]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	?
[13:11]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	will LL take actions accordingly ?
[13:11]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	and was it helpful at all
[13:11]	bob Iwashi	Raymond, could you find out for us why we are no longer able to file tickets complaining about matters?
[13:12]	Raymond Linden	Question for the group . .what are your thoughts on posting thresholds? In terms of posts per minute. ect ?
[13:12]	Peewee Musytari	Nuuuuuuu!
[13:12]	COCOON	no limits please ^^
[13:12]	Cummere Mayo	one per minute should be good
[13:12]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	to stop the spammers ? .. yes
[13:12]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	all for it
[13:12]	Marianne McCann	Personally? Drive me nuts. I often hit the throttle on the last boards
[13:12]	DogWomble Dollinger	well under the old system, the 120 seconds rule seemed to affect a number of people
[13:12]	Darrius Gothly	Agreed .. no limits please.
[13:12]	Peewee Musytari	hated that on old forum
[13:12]	Lord of Dee	Depends if it has an effect on edits
[13:12]	Raymond Linden	Sounds like 1 per minute is OK
[13:12]	COCOON	to stop spammers, it is more worth to have a moderation team 24/7
[13:12]	DogWomble Dollinger	so maybe try 60 seconds instead?
[13:12]	Kung Fu Marketer	the limit is to keep spammers down...
[13:12]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	patience is not a limitation
[13:12]	Venus Petrov	to stop spammers, one minute is ok
[13:12]	Peewee Musytari	no limits
[13:12]	COCOON	the grid is operated 24/7 by its users
[13:12]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	agrees with Venus.
[13:13]	Marianne McCann	The spammers will still get through, I suspect
[13:13]	Cummere Mayo	one per minute would be enough to throtle spam but not enough to really inconvience people
[13:13]	Suspiria	Spammers win and we lose, why is it always like that?
[13:13]	Deej Kasshiki	One minute seems reasonable
[13:13]	Darrius Gothly	Limits are okay .. provided when you hit the governor that your post is not lost.
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari	can it not be on answers?
[13:13]	Peewee Musytari	there`s no spam ther
[13:13]	Raymond Linden	Ok, thanks for the feedback
[13:13]	DogWomble Dollinger	yeah, i'm thinking if a limit is going to be put in place, it needs to not inconvenience people too much
[13:13]	Darrius Gothly	Yw Raymond.
[13:13]	Suspiria	Why do residents get limitations due to spammers?
[13:13]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Because it benefits the whole forum, Susp
[13:14]	Marianne McCann	Sus "This is why we can't have nice things"
[13:14]	Darrius Gothly	Suzy .. they are trying to find a suitable middle ground that stops the spam and doesn't choke us off.
[13:14]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	set your selfishness aside here aminute
[13:14]	COCOON	is it not better to have moderation 24/7
[13:14]	Marianne McCann	I would suggest revistiting it when it is clear it does not deter spammers
[13:14]	Peewee Musytari	does it stop edits within 1 min too?....cos that would suck
[13:14]	Darrius Gothly	seconds Marianne's comment ...
[13:14]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	lindens can't see me
[13:14]	Raymond Linden	Peewee - good question
[13:15]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	concurs with Marianne
[13:15]	Suspiria	Good point Mari
[13:15]	Raymond Linden	I dont actually know! Need to check on that one
[13:15]	Lexie	It might Peewee, because you are re-posting
[13:15]	Lexie	Yes, we can double check that
[13:15]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	yeah you bes tnot look at me, rand
[13:15]	Darrius Gothly	If so, then it needs to disregard edits. Those happen rapid-fire sometimes.
[13:15]	Peewee Musytari	ty
[13:15]	Cummere Mayo	limits will never detere spammers but a one per minute limitation wouldnt incovence that many people and it would slow the bots that can do a post every half second
[13:16]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	agreed Darrius .
[13:16]	Peewee Musytari	yeah I often see an edit as soon as I click post and go straight back in
[13:16]	Cummere Mayo	edits shouldnt need throttled
[13:16]	Lexie	There has been less spam overall though, right?
[13:16]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	Forums gets overflooded too quick now .. there's has to be a timer that restricts that
[13:16]	Lexie	Its getting better
[13:16]	Darrius Gothly	(apologies to all) nad, your disruptive commentary is unwelcome. Please stop.
[13:16]	Venus Petrov	i don't see a huge difference, really
[13:16]	COCOON	me neither ^^
[13:16]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	sl is always gettin 'better'
[13:16]	Lexie	We will keep working on it
[13:17]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	i notice it is more rapidly acted upon
[13:17]	Deej Kasshiki	Depends on th3 time of day
[13:17]	COCOON	just employ a nr 221 & 222 LINDEN ....^^
[13:17]	Venus Petrov	lol Wildcat
[13:17]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	lol Wildcat
[13:17]	Cummere Mayo	most spam is getting better
[13:17]	Cummere Mayo	not all but most
[13:17]	COCOON	;o)
[13:17]	Darrius Gothly	And please please please hire someone with "backwards body clock" to handle overnight spam and ... umm .. "stuff".
[13:17]	Venus Petrov	well, instead of creating an OP spam, I have seen spam within threads
[13:18]	COCOON	@DARRIUS ->yes
[13:18]	Kung Fu Marketer	actually, we do have folks who work at odd hours...the mods.
[13:18]	Cummere Mayo	and ill even grudgingly admit moderation is a fraction of a percent more sane
[13:18]	Kung Fu Marketer	not consistently tho. :) there are times when mods are working in middle of nite tho.
[13:18]	Kung Fu Marketer	wow--cummere. that made my day. :)
[13:18]	COCOON	the grid runs 24/7 ..... ops should support in some areas too ...
[13:18]	Kung Fu Marketer	thank you!
[13:18]	bob Iwashi	i agree wildcat
[13:18]	COCOON	ty
[13:19]	Darrius Gothly	Preferred to have someone assigned those hours, rather than just ad hoc "when they can" scheduling. But yes, I have seen some actions done at off hours .. ty.
[13:19]	Rand	Amanda - do youwant to go through the agenda items from https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group#Agenda ?
[13:19]	Kung Fu Marketer	yep, good idea.
[13:19]	Venus Petrov	that would be nice
[13:19]	Kung Fu Marketer	first item is mature forum.
[13:19]	Kung Fu Marketer	that's a toughie.
[13:19]	Venus Petrov	yes!
[13:19]	Venus Petrov	you were going to pow-wow about it
[13:19]	Kung Fu Marketer	we have an adult private forum (venus, did you and blondin ever connect?)
[13:19]	Kung Fu Marketer	it's a toughie.
[13:19]	Venus Petrov	i think we need such a place
[13:20]	Cummere Mayo	its not up yet i thought
[13:20]	Venus Petrov	that forum is for adult land owners and content creators, i understand
[13:20]	Suspiria	Why do we need a mature forum?
[13:20]	Cummere Mayo	and its not really LL run
[13:20]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	agrees again with Venus.
[13:20]	Venus Petrov	not residents
[13:20]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	there's a need for such a forum
[13:20]	Kung Fu Marketer	we want to support the adult community, but so much of the topic discussion is not in accordance with our guidelines.
[13:20]	Venus Petrov	we need one for residents
[13:20]	COCOON	yes ^^
[13:20]	Suspiria	So people can curse?
[13:20]	Kung Fu Marketer	yes, but our forums may not be the place. our forums need to be g rated.
[13:20]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	i heard that set LL is nothin
[13:20]	Venus Petrov	so people can discuss mature/adult topics
[13:20]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	no .. so people don't need to get frustrated to be pettied t speak as children
[13:20]	Deej Kasshiki	So people can discuss mature subjects Susperia
[13:20]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	no offence Marianne
[13:20]	Cummere Mayo	amanda why cant we have a g rated and an adult rated? like so many other games?
[13:20]	Suspiria	Mature like what?
[13:21]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	LIke sexuality
[13:21]	Kung Fu Marketer	unfortunately, the adult verification doesn't work in lithium (we don't have it set up that way)
[13:21]	Venus Petrov	the agenda topic has examples
[13:21]	COCOON	I want to post sexier pics on the forum ...^^
[13:21]	DogWomble Dollinger	amanda is it possible to have a 'mature' section set up so that it is only visible when a person logs in and is verified as being 18?
[13:21]	Kung Fu Marketer	raymond, can u speak to this more?
[13:21]	Cummere Mayo	you dont really need it too amanda
[13:21]	Deej Kasshiki	I dunno like say BDSM for instance that's permitted inworld but not on the forums?
[13:21]	Suspiria	Isn't this Second Life? We have no sexuality.
[13:21]	Kung Fu Marketer	dog--that's the answer.... agreed.
[13:21]	Darrius Gothly	Like someone wanting to discuss various **bleep** animations for their personal **bleep** attachments business.
[13:21]	Venus Petrov	relationship issues, adult content, adult areas/ clubs, entertainment
[13:21]	Venus Petrov	these are part of the SL economy
[13:22]	tulinhogatinholindinho12	yes
[13:22]	Cummere Mayo	they are honestly big attractors of people into SL too
[13:22]	Kung Fu Marketer	unfortunately, we don't have adult verification in the community platform, so we just can't do it eyt.
[13:22]	COCOON	I second Venus ^^
[13:22]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	i understand LL's approach to a general PG standard to the forums
[13:22]	Kung Fu Marketer	raymond? lexie? anyone else wnat to jump in?
[13:22]	Raymond Linden	We can look into whether age verification is technically possible within the community
[13:22]	Venus Petrov	why can't one be setup and then given access by request until the verification is available?
[13:22]	Darrius Gothly	Admission by application will suffice till that is implemented. The Linden tasked with approving Apps can manually check the Profile.
[13:22]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	but the adults need a space to speak openly
[13:22]	Kung Fu Marketer	that's the only way we can have a mature area.
[13:22]	Cummere Mayo	amanda why not do it as an access granted only site ?
[13:23]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	and that will not work with only 'gee golly gosh' convos
[13:23]	Cummere Mayo	where your password gets emailed when you verify for in world
[13:23]	Kung Fu Marketer	i hear you guys--for sure.
[13:23]	Cummere Mayo	then only verified people can get in
[13:23]	Rand	To the question of "what is mature" please see: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Maturity-ratings/ta-p/700119#Maturity_ratings_overview
[13:23]	Kung Fu Marketer	raymond can look into the technical pieces....
[13:23]	COCOON	I like that idea Cummere ^^
[13:23]	Lord of Dee	How did you setup the merchants roundtable?
[13:23]	Rand	The forums are general
[13:23]	Venus Petrov	we need more than hearing, Amanda, with all due respect
[13:23]	bob Iwashi	1/2 answers?
[13:23]	Raymond Linden	Yep - I will look into the technical side
[13:23]	Darrius Gothly	Zackly the point Ciaran .. ty
[13:23]	bob Iwashi	please, no more 1/2 answers
[13:23]	Cummere Mayo	raymond, i'd be willing to flush out my idea further with you
[13:23]	Kung Fu Marketer	venus, can you give us a week to see if we can scope adult verification in the forums?
[13:24]	Qie	hmmm. might be a challenge keeping Search from veering into the Adult content forum, unwanted.
[13:24]	Kung Fu Marketer	otehrwise, the answer has to be no. we're at general maturity lvel in the forums.
[13:24]	Kung Fu Marketer	level
[13:24]	Venus Petrov	sure, if you have a backup plan pls...one that can be implemented
[13:24]	Raymond Linden	Cummere - ok, shoot me a PM with your idea
[13:24]	tulinhogatinholindinho12	vc pode vir aqui onde eu estou vem me ajudar
[13:24]	Darrius Gothly	Qie .. I believe the Merchant Roundtable is invisible to Search now.
[13:24]	Lord of Dee	but you already have one adult forums
[13:24]	Venus Petrov	why not have access granted by request?
[13:24]	Qie	ah. okay
[13:24]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	very well said , Venus
[13:24]	Venus Petrov	like the one in commerce ?
[13:25]	Peewee Musytari	if there was verification it would cover search I should think...you wouldn`t get results for adult if u weren`t verified
[13:25]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	should be a possiblity
[13:25]	Venus Petrov	that could be implemented much faster
[13:25]	Kung Fu Marketer	there are private forums, yes.
[13:25]	Lord of Dee	Yes the one for land owners and merchants is private
[13:25]	Suspiria	If commerce has one why do you need another?
[13:25]	Venus Petrov	tehn if age verification won't work, by request would
[13:25]	Venus Petrov	scroll up Suspiria
[13:25]	Kung Fu Marketer	ok, can we table this one until raymond gets his arms around it, so to speak. :)
[13:25]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	ya'll don't know how to sweat lindens
[13:25]	Suspiria	no thanks I can read
[13:25]	Darrius Gothly	Because Merchant Roundtable is an All Ages R-Rated area.
[13:25]	Darrius Gothly	Ahem .. G-rated
[13:25]	bob Iwashi	could we have the update on potential support oh please raymond?
[13:26]	Venus Petrov	ok so next meeting will be report out and a backup plan? please? we need this area
[13:26]	Kung Fu Marketer	ok, next item....
[13:26]	Kung Fu Marketer	ok, venus!
[13:26]	Kung Fu Marketer	:)
[13:26]	Venus Petrov	thank you!
[13:26]	teddy Zepp	hello
[13:26]	Kung Fu Marketer	sure thing. you're all heard loud and clear. we'll see what we can do.
[13:26]	bytatoo	heyy
[13:27]	Kung Fu Marketer	ok, bob--we can't address support issues as this is not a group for support.
[13:27]	Kung Fu Marketer	this is only on community tools. sorry. out of scope (and the scope of Lindens in attendance)
[13:27]	bob Iwashi	fair enough, but last week raymond diod asy he'd relay the message, i only wiondered if he had any news on that front
[13:27]	Kung Fu Marketer	ok, clarification on policy of third-party sites.
[13:27]	bob Iwashi	whispers: say*
[13:27]	Darrius Gothly	Amanda .. can you please "poke" that group to be more communicative?
[13:27]	Kung Fu Marketer	really, this is about advertising.
[13:27]	Cummere Mayo	sent raymond her idea which should give LL an alternate implementation in case prefered fails.... see I -can- work with lindens >.>
[13:27]	Rand	Amanda: I think bob was asking if support was going to start a UG
[13:27]	Kung Fu Marketer	messages was passed to them, for sure.
[13:27]	Darrius Gothly	Ty
[13:27]	Kung Fu Marketer	not to my knowledge--no support ug.
[13:28]	Kung Fu Marketer	but, again--we can pass that message along. none in teh plans that i know of
[13:28]	Raymond Linden	Bob - I dont actually have an update there. But, I'll try to get you an answer next week
[13:28]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	they aint passin along shit
[13:28]	bob Iwashi	please, if you could - not to flame etc, just so whichever linden is responsible will hear our concerns
[13:28]	Kung Fu Marketer	so, the third-party thing is about advertising.
[13:28]	Kung Fu Marketer	best to keep the convo's contained within teh forums.
[13:29]	Kung Fu Marketer	that said, the mods only see what's flagged (for the most part)
[13:29]	Darrius Gothly	For example ... links to my blog are considered advertising .. even though I don't host banners or derive direct income from the site?
[13:29]	Kung Fu Marketer	so, if you link to a third party site that someone finds is inappriiate, then we'll deal with it.
[13:29]	Cummere Mayo	amanda i did notice that a mod cut a link to a support tools website then reversed themselves
[13:29]	teddy Zepp	May I ask what is the topic for today's meeting ?
[13:29]	Cummere Mayo	so ... kudos
[13:29]	Jeremy Linden	Quick reminder - we're holding this user group in a G-rated region. We appreciate your effort to speak and act accordingly. :-)
[13:29]	teddy Zepp	Hello everyone
[13:29]	Deej Kasshiki	What would be considered advertising? Links to personal blogs for ex?
[13:29]	Kung Fu Marketer	here's the agenda.
[13:30]	Kung Fu Marketer	http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:30]	teddy Zepp	hello Daniel
[13:30]	Darrius Gothly	Ty Jeremy
[13:30]	bytatoo	hey
[13:30]	bytatoo	welcome
[13:30]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	jeremy you best not be talkin to me, punk
[13:30]	Kung Fu Marketer	it's probably ok, maybe that line needs to be clarified a bit.
[13:30]	teddy Zepp	hello Raymond
[13:30]	Raymond Linden	Hi teddy
[13:30]	Darrius Gothly	Bye nad.
[13:30]	teddy Zepp	thank you Amanda
[13:30]	Qie	just to be sure... it's okay to link to an ongoing discussion on SLUniverse, then? I don't have to just mumble "across the street" and point?
[13:30]	Kung Fu Marketer	hey, no meannness to jeremy. :)
[13:30]	Cummere Mayo	jeremy most of us are trying. keep in mind though g rated may have differant definitions to differant people and cultures
[13:30]	Kung Fu Marketer	lemme look into clarifiying that item in the community guidelines.
[13:30]	starlight Midal	hi all
[13:31]	bytatoo	hi starlight
[13:31]	Kung Fu Marketer	there are lots of links to third party sites that we can't possibly get to--only flagged stuff anyway.
[13:31]	Jeremy Linden	Cummere, you guys did a good job talking about the adult forums within the bounds of this discussion. I was just politely warning Nad.
[13:31]	Kung Fu Marketer	but, i see that you're right.more clarity there would be a good thing.
[13:31]	Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ	best keep my name outcho mouth son
[13:31]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	i'd suggest to avoid such linkage one would have to disable linking in the editor in general
[13:31]	Kung Fu Marketer	ok, next item. kb index.
[13:32]	Darrius Gothly	Ty Amanda. There are many personal blogs that are not specifically commercial, but are hosted on commercial sites. However they contain very useful commentary that ought to be included at times.
[13:32]	Rand	If I may, I'd like to address the KB-related topics... As to a KB "Landing Page", that is something we are working on
[13:32]	Kung Fu Marketer	go for it.
[13:32]	Rand	It's a fine idea, and we intend to do it asap.
[13:32]	Kung Fu Marketer	hear you darrius. for sure.
[13:32]	Kung Fu Marketer	ossm rand.
[13:32]	Darrius Gothly	Ty
[13:32]	Peewee Musytari	any progress on better instructions for answers?....how to find their posts, how to repost on them, getting answers to their email by default & marking them as answered?
[13:32]	Rand	As for links to translations, there is unfortunately no built-in mechanism for that, so we will have to do it manually...
[13:33]	Rand	but we will add something to the KB style guide to ensure standardization... another good suggestion!
[13:33]	Lexie	Peewee, we are hoping to have additional videos that will help people learn more about using Answers
[13:33]	teddy Zepp	may I ask what are some of the stats and responds from the community in regards to the community tools ?
[13:33]	Kung Fu Marketer	think we covered htat last week. we need a few more weeks under our belt before we can share basic stats.
[13:33]	Venus Petrov	I wonder if you renamed that forum Questions & Answers?
[13:33]	Kung Fu Marketer	it's only been a month or so.
[13:34]	Venus Petrov	rather than just Answers
[13:34]	Darrius Gothly	Good idea Venus. Or maybe "Q & A"?
[13:34]	Raymond Linden	teddy - we will have 1 month of data by the 2nd. Then, I will compile the metrics
[13:34]	Peewee Musytari	I agree...questions in answers sounds so weird
[13:34]	Venus Petrov	yes that would work, too.
[13:34]	Kung Fu Marketer	it's based on yahoo! answers--very industry standard.
[13:34]	Darrius Gothly	Ty Raymond.
[13:34]	Lexie	Interesting idea Venus, noted!
[13:34]	teddy Zepp	fantastic Raymond please keep me posted
[13:34]	Kung Fu Marketer	in that context, is it still weird?
[13:34]	Cummere Mayo	for the first time and probably only time
[13:34]	Kung Fu Marketer	kk, good to know.
[13:34]	Venus Petrov	some people aren't aware of industry standards ㋡
[13:35]	Peewee Musytari	I liked second life answers
[13:35]	Darrius Gothly	Yes. Just cuz Yahoo does it .. don't mean it makes sense.
[13:35]	Cummere Mayo	that industy standard could really use changing
[13:35]	Peewee Musytari	thats more like yahoo answers in that sense
[13:35]	Deej Kasshiki	Oz always likes to say that industry standards are a real bugaboo :)
[13:35]	Raymond Linden	What are some suggestions on improving Answers?
[13:35]	Peewee Musytari	the name?
[13:35]	Venus Petrov	lol
[13:35]	Cummere Mayo	rename it to q&A and let orriginal posters be able to reply easier...
[13:36]	Deej Kasshiki	And making it so that they don't fall from the main page so quickly
[13:36]	Phoenix-FirestormViewer Rocks	nice thing about industry standards is theres lots to choose from
[13:36]	Darrius Gothly	Yes .. thread OP comments inline with posts from others.
[13:36]	Lexie	Noted Deej
[13:36]	Deej Kasshiki	Agrees Cait
[13:36]	Cummere Mayo	and for the love of god, get more mods like the one that reversed themselves that understand that sometimes to answer a question you HAVE to link to an outside site
[13:36]	Peewee Musytari	the top things they complain is...cant` find my post, can`t answer my own post, where do I see my answers
[13:36]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	i find moderation should also direct users to Q & A if need ( like moving threads )
[13:37]	Venus Petrov	agree Wil
[13:37]	Lisa Fossett	Is there someone tasked with organizing and categorizing the Answers?
[13:37]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	many still wind up in general forums
[13:37]	teddy Zepp	I would say making it easier to refine the questions within the database formate
[13:37]	Deej Kasshiki	The replies can be very hard to follow
[13:37]	Peewee Musytari	the comments format is a nightmare
[13:37]	Lord of Dee	Some instructions would be helpful when you click the answers tab, or at least a prominent link to how to use that section
[13:37]	Lexie	ok
[13:37]	Cummere Mayo	ie its very hard to help someone find where to get flash without pointing them to adobe's site or quicktime without pointing to apple><
[13:37]	Darrius Gothly	(out of band comment) When a thread is moved, it's "last read" pointer is reset. Can it be reworked so your profile knows that in the new location it is still the same thread and keeps the last read pointer?
[13:38]	Lord of Dee	The FAQ should be at the top not bottom
[13:38]	Peewee Musytari	somewhere obvious with a HUGE red arrow
[13:38]	Marianne McCann	(Gotta zip off. have fun all)
[13:38]	Lexie	We can look at that ciaran
[13:38]	Kung Fu Marketer	thanks marianne. always good to see you!
[13:38]	Darrius Gothly	TC Marianne
[13:39]	Raymond Linden	Ok, thanks for all the responses.
[13:39]	Lord of Dee	Bye mari
[13:39]	Marianne McCann	Bye Bye!!
[13:39]	COCOON	tc Marianne
[13:39]	Venus Petrov	tc Mari
[13:39]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	=^.*= ????
[13:39]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	pls progress , Lindens ^.^
[13:39]	Kung Fu Marketer	so, last item and then open for questions....
[13:40]	Kung Fu Marketer	re: premiums and live chat, etc.
[13:40]	Peewee Musytari	the confusing help page hehe
[13:40]	Kung Fu Marketer	that's a support thing, so we can't really answer that one much beyond the basics.
[13:40]	Darrius Gothly	(rewind to earlier topic .. sorry) With the changes to logon issues .. has the idle timeout been lengthened any?
[13:40]	bob Iwashi	hear hear
[13:40]	bob Iwashi	to amanda*
[13:40]	Lexie	No Darrius it has not been changed
[13:40]	Cummere Mayo	yeah i talked to support this weekend that thoguht premium had the ticket on the front page
[13:40]	Darrius Gothly	(rats .. ty)
[13:41]	Cummere Mayo	wonders if support people ever USE the support page *chuckles*
[13:41]	Venus Petrov	smiles
[13:41]	Deej Kasshiki	chuckles
[13:41]	Kung Fu Marketer	yeah, i hear ya there. we're lookin at it cummere.
[13:41]	DogWomble Dollinger	i use the support as an avenue to get to live chat :P
[13:41]	Peewee Musytari	so getting the message on the help page directing non-english people to their forums (in their language) is support too?
[13:41]	Kung Fu Marketer	so, any other community tools topics?
[13:42]	Suspiria	When is the broken ranking system going to be fixed? I’ve waited for 4 weeks with no suitable answer.
[13:42]	Darrius Gothly	One ...
[13:42]	bob Iwashi	sorry, but live support atm are a joke :(
[13:42]	bob Iwashi	and that's all i'm saying afore i get on my soapbox
[13:42]	Peewee Musytari	they really are hehe
[13:42]	Cummere Mayo	thats a given bob but eh
[13:42]	Darrius Gothly	Psychology topic ... it's easier to attack and hate faceless mods. A "Meet the Mods" would be good to personalize and familiarize people with the Mods.
[13:42]	Peewee Musytari	the stuff they tell people is embarassing
[13:43]	Cummere Mayo	might be a good idea to have the mods attend these hours anyways
[13:43]	teddy Zepp	amanda will we take ideas from here and used them to test the community tools
[13:43]	Venus Petrov	or rotate them in occasionally
[13:43]	Cummere Mayo	cause it might be good for them to understand why people are so upset
[13:43]	Lord of Dee	Any chance of a new products or events section in the forums? Or places for people to promote inworld content, there are plenty of discussions on how to, but where are the examples? Machinima for example
[13:43]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	'Meet the Mods' might better be a thread topic perhaps.
[13:43]	Venus Petrov	grins@Wil
[13:43]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	so mods can present themselves for the occasion
[13:43]	Darrius Gothly	Agreed Wil. They don't need to learn us as much as we need to not see them as faceless dictators.
[13:44]	Kung Fu Marketer	hey lord--good idea re: machinima.
[13:44]	Kung Fu Marketer	do we have a hread on machinima yet?
[13:44]	Lexie	We do in the Creation forum
[13:44]	Lisa Fossett	nods
[13:44]	Kung Fu Marketer	ossm. :)
[13:44]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	there's a section on Machina ,yes
[13:44]	Kung Fu Marketer	thought so.
[13:44]	Suspiria	Yes and my machinma thread was moved from the machinima sub-forum by a mod
[13:44]	Lord of Dee	You have a discussion on it in creation but not a promotional, you've just launched a monthly event about it
[13:44]	Kung Fu Marketer	in fact, today we're annoucning the month of manchima with the LEA (check otu the blog post in Second Life section)
[13:44]	Kung Fu Marketer	:)
[13:45]	Kung Fu Marketer	yep.
[13:45]	Lord of Dee	It would be nice if in your website somewhere I could see people's machinima
[13:45]	Kung Fu Marketer	yes, in fact i talked ot courtney about this today.
[13:45]	Kung Fu Marketer	let's talk offline. this is off topic... :)
[13:45]	Suspiria	There is a thread showcasing Machinima links, been there for over 3 weeks
[13:46]	Darrius Gothly	Good Promotions always leverage every possible form of contribution. The Community Platform is a VERY vibrant and rich source of content. I suggest using it well.
[13:46]	Kung Fu Marketer	:)
[13:46]	Kung Fu Marketer	we have about 15 mins left.
[13:46]	Venus Petrov	quick question
[13:46]	Kung Fu Marketer	open mic on community tools...
[13:46]	Kung Fu Marketer	sure
[13:46]	Venus Petrov	regarding the mature forum and age verify...one can be age verified w NPIOF right?
[13:47]	Lord of Dee	Yes Venus
[13:47]	Venus Petrov	good thanks ㋡
[13:47]	Venus Petrov	awards you a kudo!
[13:47]	Kung Fu Marketer	lol
[13:47]	Cummere Mayo	kudos system must burn
[13:47]	teddy Zepp	can we use a white board in meeting to highlight topics, ideas and goals
[13:47]	Cummere Mayo	looks for match and gasoline
[13:47]	Lexie	haha
[13:47]	Lexie	no burnt kudos :(
[13:48]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	lol Cummere
[13:48]	COCOON	could there be a group added for the sailing or flying communities? or a group for sports in general ? ^^
[13:48]	Venus Petrov	㋡
[13:48]	Kung Fu Marketer	wildcat--good idea.
[13:48]	DogWomble Dollinger	turns the toaster down to stop burning the kudos
[13:48]	Suspiria	It's gamed to easily and nothing is done about it
[13:48]	Darrius Gothly	On any thread page there are two different links that direct people back to the Topics page. Though they both do the same thing, they are labeled differently. Can that be fixed?
[13:48]	COCOON	it is a very large community
[13:48]	Cummere Mayo	yeah its being games to the point where people areasking NOT to be kudo'd out of protest
[13:48]	Kung Fu Marketer	absolutely.
[13:48]	Kung Fu Marketer	sports is huge.
[13:48]	COCOON	yes
[13:48]	Suspiria	How can someone issue 9 kudos a day to the same persona and it isn't gaming?
[13:49]	Kung Fu Marketer	raymond/lexie, we should totally do that.
[13:49]	Kung Fu Marketer	and sailing--amazing community.
[13:49]	Peewee Musytari	haha crashed and came back you are all ruth wigs and no bodies lol
[13:49]	Lexie	I agree on the sports!
[13:49]	Qie	A geeky little question, might be old: Is there a reason why the setting Preferences / General / "Sort topics by time of most recent post" is turned off by default? Does anybody use the other sort order, whatever it is?
[13:49]	COCOON	I fly a WWII bomber, always nice to announce when I am going to bomb a sim ^^
[13:49]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	lol
[13:49]	COCOON	;o)
[13:49]	Kung Fu Marketer	:)
[13:49]	Raymond Linden	Darius - let me look into that
[13:49]	Venus Petrov	if the person is busy answering question, easy
[13:49]	Venus Petrov	*questions
[13:49]	Darrius Gothly	Ty Raymond. I posted on it early on. I can get the link if you wish.
[13:49]	Cummere Mayo	puts on a flack jacket
[13:50]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	A Lancaster or a Heinkel, Wildcat ? ^ .^
[13:50]	COCOON	lancaster Wil ^^
[13:50]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	good :)
[13:50]	Raymond Linden	Darius - yeah, a link would be great! Thanks
[13:50]	Darrius Gothly	What? Not a B1-B?
[13:50]	Darrius Gothly	Can do.
[13:50]	Cummere Mayo	okay on the jira and support they say take policy questions to the forums, on the forums the mods say take it to user groups, at user groups they say thats off topic....
[13:50]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	it's a EU thang, Darrius ;P :)
[13:50]	Cummere Mayo	can we PLEASE have either a policty jira or a policy forum? please please?
[13:51]	Kung Fu Marketer	no, i'm sorry. there are no policy user groups or forums.
[13:51]	Darrius Gothly	LOL (simple colonist here)
[13:51]	Suspiria	Can we also have equal amnesty and not just for favorites?
[13:51]	Peewee Musytari	is called the linden board of directors
[13:51]	Cummere Mayo	thats my point amanda theres not one, and lindens keep sending us to jira and forums
[13:51]	Cummere Mayo	><
[13:51]	Lexie	We do not play favorites Suspiria
[13:52]	Kung Fu Marketer	who's sending you where?
[13:52]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	How long will your ban last, Susp ?
[13:52]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	just curious
[13:52]	Suspiria	Then why isn't my warning lifed?
[13:52]	Lord of Dee	Do you liaise with Soft and The Jira gang?
[13:52]	COCOON	and maybe an idea is to have a discussion group for newbies .... it must be hard time to time to step into the fire for them .... a newbie group could open the door for them ^^
[13:52]	Lord of Dee	ooh a welcome forum or say hello
[13:52]	Kung Fu Marketer	again, suspiria. warnings are not deleted, but the ones received during the first week don't count towards bans going forward. that applies for everyone.
[13:52]	COCOON	yes lord
[13:53]	COCOON	I see a lot of new residents activities
[13:53]	Lord of Dee	yeah that has potential
[13:53]	Cummere Mayo	theres a number of lindens that say put policy requests on the jira, the jira lindens all say put it on the forums
[13:53]	Cummere Mayo	on the forums mods say go to usergroups
[13:53]	Kung Fu Marketer	that's interesting cummere, i'll look into that.
[13:53]	Kung Fu Marketer	noted
[13:53]	Suspiria	So any ban with a warning issued in the first week is reversed right?
[13:53]	Kung Fu Marketer	yeah, i'll make it clearer to folks internally on that.
[13:53]	Kung Fu Marketer	sorry for run around.
[13:53]	Cummere Mayo	we just need a place somewhere anywhere
[13:53]	Lord of Dee	Talk to the JJira folk and ask them how many jira entries get created that should be tickets or discussed in forums
[13:54]	Kung Fu Marketer	no, going forward, all bans under consideration will only include warnings from the second week and beyond.
[13:54]	Suspiria	SO amnesty isn'tt for everyone
[13:54]	COCOON	did you read about the NEWBIE or NEW RESIDENT group idea Kung Fu?
[13:54]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	no.. what is said is that you owe your ban to something happening after that first week, Susp
[13:54]	Kung Fu Marketer	i love that idea actually.
[13:54]	Lexie	me too
[13:54]	Kung Fu Marketer	i have something brewing on that--doing a lot more for newbies.
[13:54]	teddy Zepp	how can we take our suggestions and ideas from out meeting and set them inot task and solutions ?
[13:55]	Rand	I agree, a newbie forum / group seems like a good idea!
[13:55]	Suspiria	Thanks for clarifying your revesal of statement
[13:55]	Kung Fu Marketer	happy to get suggestions--i'm in ideating phase now. so bring 'em on.
[13:55]	teddy Zepp	our into
[13:55]	Venus Petrov	i believe the statements have been very consistent Suspiria
[13:55]	Lord of Dee	I'd point you in the direction of an example of one but fear getting slapped, but other forums where the CEO posts have the new user area
[13:55]	COCOON	I see them posting in answers ..... but it is a small step from there to welcome them in the viable forum
[13:55]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	indeed
[13:55]	Suspiria	How so last week it was amnesty for everyone, now it isn't
[13:56]	Kung Fu Marketer	suspiria, i:)
[13:56]	Kung Fu Marketer	have i been unclear?
[13:56]	Peewee Musytari	how is it not for everyone?
[13:56]	Kung Fu Marketer	:)
[13:56]	Suspiria	I can dig out Amanda's exact words if you like
[13:56]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	no you haven't , Amanda
[13:56]	Venus Petrov	the statement this week is the same as last week's
[13:56]	Kung Fu Marketer	not sure how i can be clearer, but happy to guet suggestions fromt eh crowd.
[13:56]	COCOON	this week is the 'gallow', next week the 'guillotine' ... matter of variation ^^
[13:56]	Cummere Mayo	suspira im not understanding what is so confusing?
[13:56]	Venus Petrov	laughs Wildcat
[13:56]	COCOON	haha ^^
[13:56]	Lord of Dee	Suspiria what happened in week one stays in week one
[13:56]	Venus Petrov	it has always been week one only
[13:56]	Lisa Fossett	You (Lindens present) might consider it off topic, but there's an issue I want to bring up. The lack of posting any metrics as regards to Incident Reports is leading many to say nothing happens.
[13:57]	Suspiria	ok if a warning issued in the first wek is given amnesty, how can it count toward a ban?
[13:57]	teddy Zepp	how are we doing on the front of making second life easier for users to use from their viewers
[13:57]	COCOON	the past is gone, today is today, tomorrow is a mystery (misery) ^^
[13:57]	Lisa Fossett	I think that's a bad impression to put forward
[13:57]	Peewee Musytari	if u had a warning in week 1 and ur name gets put up for a ban, ur warning for that week won`t be included in the decision...no matter who u are
[13:57]	Darrius Gothly	Good point Lisa.
[13:57]	Cummere Mayo	thats the point suspira ... it doesnt
[13:57]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	you got banned for something that did not happen in the first week, Susp
[13:57]	Suspiria	Amanda just said onlyu going forward
[13:57]	DogWomble Dollinger	suspiria it doesn't
[13:57]	bob Iwashi	teddy, i swore blind i'll never use viewr 2, and i never will
[13:57]	teddy Zepp	and are we making any contracts with third party game companies ?
[13:57]	Qie	Lisa: That's a *very* good point. It affects the community a lot, even if it's not part of Community Tools. Actually, *because* it's not part of Community Tools.
[13:57]	Suspiria	SO the past is NOT forgiven
[13:57]	Venus Petrov	only things post week one
[13:57]	teddy Zepp	a simple viewer
[13:57]	Suspiria	TGot that part
[13:58]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	only in the first week *sigh* ..
[13:58]	bob Iwashi	ranks as one of the worst things lindne labs have done, imho, viewer 2, ontynes, scouts
[13:58]	Peewee Musytari	week one warnings are ignore susp
[13:58]	Cummere Mayo	wait if a first week doesnt count...
[13:58]	Peewee Musytari	not deleted
[13:58]	DogWomble Dollinger	suspiria the past is forgiven, it's just if you got banned after that first week, it's because of somethign that happened after that first week
[13:58]	Lord of Dee	Yeah Tyche's incident blotter hasn't been updated since December
[13:58]	Cummere Mayo	but you get three warnings the second week you still get banned
[13:58]	DogWomble Dollinger	unless you made yourself unclear and were banned within that first week?
[13:58]	Suspiria	If first week doesn't count bans given for those warnings should be reversed
[13:58]	Darrius Gothly	To divert the concept of warnings/bans a bit .. when are they "forgiven" .. if they are forgiven at all? If they are not, wouldn't it be fair to delete them after a reasonable "aging" period?
[13:58]	Cummere Mayo	oooh
[13:58]	Cummere Mayo	i see now
[13:58]	Suspiria	Yet Amanda says no
[13:59]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	do you know why you got banned at all , Susp ?
[13:59]	Peewee Musytari	what difference does it make if they are ignored anyway suspiria?
[13:59]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	seems you're clueless about the occasion triggering it
[13:59]	teddy Zepp	for example can we set second life to open instantly in face book
[13:59]	Suspiria	The difference is one warning of three can make a ban unnecessary
[13:59]	Suspiria	Negating the ban
[13:59]	Darrius Gothly	Umm .. Wil? How about "unclear" instead?
[13:59]	Kung Fu Marketer	ok, susupria, i think we've spent a good amount of time making sure that you understand, thanks to everyone who chimed in. :)
[13:59]	Peewee Musytari	a ban that has already been served?
[14:00]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	seems the same to me in her case , Darrius
[14:00]	Kung Fu Marketer	this one went quick, huh?!
[14:00]	Peewee Musytari	you can`t really undo that
[14:00]	Kung Fu Marketer	and, we're at the end of our time!
[14:00]	Lexie	It did
[14:00]	Cummere Mayo	shes saying if the ban was issued before the decision to give an amnesty will it be stricken from the record or ... at least credit be given amanda?
[14:00]	Suspiria	I've always understood favorites get special treatment
[14:00]	Torben	thanks for the meeting :)
[14:00]	Lexie	Thanks for coming everyone!
[14:00]	Rand	Thanks everyone...
[14:00]	Torben	have a great day everyone
[14:00]	COCOON	My first time ... and it was a great time ^^
[14:00]	Kung Fu Marketer	thanks everyone!
[14:00]	teddy Zepp	or can we have a viewer which will work with netbook , ipad tablets and phones
[14:00]	Lord of Dee	Cheers guys and girls
[14:00]	DogWomble Dollinger	thanks guys :)
[14:00]	Qie	thanks.
[14:00]	Torben	waves and poofs
[14:00]	Lexie	See you next week
[14:00]	Venus Petrov	thanks for the meeting and look forward to next week
[14:00]	draconis.neurocam	thanks all the lindens
[14:00]	Kung Fu Marketer	'til next week.
[14:00]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	bye Lindens. thnx for listening
[14:00]	Venus Petrov	㋡
[14:00]	COCOON	thanks ^^
[14:00]	Raymond Linden	See ya!
[14:00]	Peewee Musytari	thanks lexie amanda raymond jeremy :)
[14:00]	Kung Fu Marketer	rand, you gonna get the transcript?
[14:00]	Cummere Mayo	ie if you got two warnings the first week and one the second and got banned what happens?
[14:00]	teddy Zepp	thank you Amanda
[14:00]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	bye everyone else
[14:01]	Deej Kasshiki	Thanks for the meeting guys
[14:01]	COCOON	bye byeeeeee
[14:01]	teddy Zepp	thank you everyone
[14:01]	COCOON	O.o *mew* *mew* o.O
[14:01]	COCOON	☠ °•·.·´¯`·.·•✰ ◕‿◕ ✰•·.·´¯`·.·•☠
[14:01]	Venus Petrov	nice to see y'all !
[14:01]	Deej Kasshiki	Cya everyone
[14:01]	Peewee Musytari	oops and rand :)
[14:01]	Rand	jeremy could you get the transcritp since i crashed?
[14:01]	Deej Kasshiki	Wil I love your bikes btw, man
[14:01]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	waves to all.. bye
[14:01]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	lol.. thnx Deej ;)
[14:01]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	MMLC bikes ;)
[14:01]	Deej Kasshiki	They rock
[14:01]	DogWomble Dollinger	well if the transcript will be difficult, i can just do a copy and paste from local and stick it in a notecard
[14:02]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	they do
[14:02]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	drive like a dream
[14:02]	Wilhiam Hydraconis	but i do gotta run .. .. take care all
[14:02]	Deej Kasshiki	Laterz
[14:02]	Qie	swears inaudibly.
[14:02]	Opensource Obscure	bye everybody
[14:03]	Lisa Fossett	jumps and runs...next!
[14:03]	Lisa Fossett	bye!
[14:03]	Jeremy Linden	Bye everyone! Thanks for coming. The transcript of this user group is up at: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group/31-Mar-2011
[14:03]	Qie	thanks Jeremy
[14:03]	bob Iwashi	yu know, i;d like to see full answers, not ruddy half answrs :(
[14:03]	Lord of Dee	Yikes Jeremy that was quick, it usually gets vetted
[14:03]	bob Iwashi	cheers jeremey
[14:04]	Qie	I'd like to see less blather about one resident's suspension.
[14:04]	Peewee Musytari	good meeting all...nighters :)
[14:04]	bob Iwashi	how hard is it to say "yeah we'll give one or two one off meetings to hear our paying customers concerns about those muppets who are 3rd partty support"
[14:04]	Lord of Dee	Are you concierge Bob?
[14:05]	bob Iwashi	no, bob standard premium
[14:05]	bob Iwashi	bog*
[14:05]	bob Iwashi	i pay about 101 bucks permonth to ll including my tier
[14:05]	bob Iwashi	which is no chicken feed to me
[14:06]	Lord of Dee	Ah, Concierge has been much improved lately, I hope it's not at the cost of premium support

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