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List of Attendees

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[12:45] Daniel Voyager: hey everyone
[12:45] Suspiria Finucane: Hi all
[12:45] Darrius Gothly: Howdy Daniel. Hello Suspiria.
[12:45] Wilhiam Hydraconis: hello everyone
[12:45] Suspiria Finucane: :) Nice to see you here Darrius
[12:46] Darrius Gothly: Thank you Suzy.
[12:46] Darrius Gothly: Heya Wilhiam.
[12:46] Lisa Fossett goes to read the agenda
[12:46] Darrius Gothly checks Wilhiam's blood pressure ... "Yup, you're okay." *grin*
[12:46] Wilhiam Hydraconis: lol
[12:46] Darrius Gothly: Hello Lisa.
[12:46] Lisa Fossett: Smiles and waves at everyone :)
[12:47] Wilhiam Hydraconis: had an IV of icecubes prior to coming here, Darrius
[12:47] Venus Petrov: hey all ã‹¡
[12:47] Suspiria Finucane: Hi Draconis
[12:47] Darrius Gothly: LOL It woiked. I originally got some coffee but .. apparently cats like coffee too. (They won the battle .. superior weaponry on their part.)
[12:47] Darrius Gothly: Howdy Venus.
[12:47] Wilhiam Hydraconis: hello Venus ^.^
[12:47] Venus Petrov: hiya Darrius
[12:47] Draconis Neurocam: hey suspiria
[12:47] Venus Petrov: hey Wil!
[12:48] Draconis Neurocam: hey darius
[12:48] Darrius Gothly: Hello draconis.
[12:48] Daniel Voyager: Here's todays Agenda http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[12:48] Wilhiam Hydraconis: 【ツ】 Hi ! 【ツ】
[12:48] Daniel Voyager: :)
[12:48] Wilhiam Hydraconis: can items still be added to the agenda when it starts , Daniel ?
[12:48] Daniel Voyager: Yes.
[12:48] Wilhiam Hydraconis: ok
[12:48] Lisa Fossett: Thanks, DV :)
[12:49] Venus Petrov: hiya Cait
[12:49] Caitlin Tobias: hello!
[12:49] Darrius Gothly: Hey CaTo.
[12:50] Wilhiam Hydraconis: hoi huishoudelijke godin .. ^.^
[12:50] bob Iwashi: blimey we're all keen thsio week
[12:50] Darrius Gothly: Howdy Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ
[12:50] Darrius Gothly: Hello bob.
[12:50] bob Iwashi: hi everyone
[12:50] Lisa Fossett: Bob, please...cut it off before I go postal
[12:50] Daniel Voyager: 10 minutes left...
[12:50] Darrius Gothly: Hello Ţסּř๔ẹ
[12:50] Venus Petrov covers her ears
[12:50] bob Iwashi: stop
[12:51] Venus Petrov: ty
[12:51] Caitlin Tobias: hey kattebeest!
[12:51] Lisa Fossett: Thank you :)
[12:51] Wilhiam Hydraconis: gotta love Phoenix' mute gestures feature
[12:51] Darrius Gothly agrees there ...
[12:52] Veluu Faulds: ey its the cap'n
[12:52] Caitlin Tobias gets a coffee and cheese sandwich...brb
[12:52] Wilhiam Hydraconis: okies CaTo
[12:52] Jorge Erin: Hi everyone
[12:52] Venus Petrov: hiya Jorge
[12:52] Wilhiam Hydraconis nods.
[12:52] Cummere Mayo: ello
[12:52] Lisa Fossett: coffee and cheese sandwich...crunchy!
[12:52] bob Iwashi: substitute the coffee for nukey brown and you're sorted
[12:52] Darrius Gothly: bob .. you DO intend to pass that around, right?
[12:53] Venus Petrov: hiya Wildcat!
[12:53] Wildcat Furse: Heya all!!!
[12:53] Wildcat Furse: hey Venus ^^
[12:53] Wilhiam Hydraconis: hey Wildcat ^.^
[12:53] bob Iwashi: to all who want it
[12:53] Venus Petrov: *meows*
[12:53] Wildcat Furse: hey Wilhiam
[12:53] Wildcat Furse: O.o *mew* *mew* o.O
[12:53] Wildcat Furse: ☠ °•·.·´¯`·.·•✰ ◕‿◕ ✰•·.·´¯`·.·•☠
[12:53] Wilhiam Hydraconis: Miaowrrll !! =^.^=
[12:53] Darrius Gothly: Thank you.
[12:54] Wildcat Furse: hey Darrius ^^
[12:54] Darrius Gothly: Hello wildcat.
[12:54] Darrius Gothly: Hey Peewee
[12:54] Venus Petrov: hey Peewee
[12:54] Peewee Musytari: Halllooooo everybody peeps
[12:54] Wilhiam Hydraconis: 【ツ】 Hi ! 【ツ】 Peewee
[12:55] Peewee Musytari: yo lexie
[12:55] Darrius Gothly: Howdy Lexie.
[12:55] Lexie Linden: yo
[12:55] Venus Petrov: hiya Lexie
[12:55] Lexie Linden: ã‹¡
[12:55] Daniel Voyager: Hey Lexie :)
[12:55] Wilhiam Hydraconis: OY!
[12:56] Lexie Linden: hahaa
[12:56] bob Iwashi: hwey lexie i landed first thisweek :) your headsi asfe
[12:56] bob Iwashi: is safe*
[12:56] Caitlin Tobias: back, and hi to all I missed before ;)
[12:56] Suspiria Finucane: .
[12:56] Venus Petrov: wb Cait
[12:56] Darrius Gothly: wb CaTo
[12:56] Caitlin Tobias: wildcat! hi
[12:57] Caitlin Tobias: ty
[12:57] Suspiria Finucane: wb cato
[12:57] Venus Petrov: hiya Deej
[12:57] Darrius Gothly: Howdy Deej
[12:57] Wilhiam Hydraconis: hey Deej
[12:57] Deej Kasshiki: Hello Venus
[12:57] Deej Kasshiki: Hello guys
[12:57] Cummere Mayo waves to everyone
[12:58] Venus Petrov: smiles@Cummere
[12:58] Deej Kasshiki: Things are still rezzing, sorry if I bump into anyone
[12:58] Wilhiam Hydraconis waves back.
[12:58] Darrius Gothly: Oops ... Howdy Cummere. Sorry I missed ya earlier.
[12:58] Cummere Mayo: im not gonna talk as much today. im really really pissed off
[12:58] Peewee Musytari: Lexie is there any SL merchandise in RL...tshirts, mugs whatever?...someone was asking about it on answers and couldn`t find anything about any
[12:58] Wilhiam Hydraconis: Linden bears ^.^
[12:58] Lexie Linden: Peewee, I am not sure. There used to be
[12:58] Peewee Musytari: i searched everywhere I could think of lol
[12:58] Nad Warrior: what is this?
[12:59] Draconis Neurocam: hello rand
[12:59] Darrius Gothly: Howdy Rand.
[12:59] Nad Warrior: a linden
[12:59] Suspiria Finucane: Bans don't hurt Cummere :)
[12:59] Wilhiam Hydraconis: and i have an animated Philip Linden for you if you'd like
[12:59] Darrius Gothly: Hello DogWomble.
[12:59] Peewee Musytari: a RL one?
[12:59] Wildcat Furse: inflatable or animated?
[12:59] Peewee Musytari: lol
[12:59] Rand Linden: Howdy!
[12:59] DogWomble Dollinger: hey darrius
[12:59] Venus Petrov: lol
[12:59] Nad Warrior: anothe rlinden
[12:59] Wilhiam Hydraconis: naughty, Wildcat .. lol
[12:59] Darrius Gothly: Welcome Amanda.
[12:59] Nad Warrior: it's my birthday
[12:59] Wildcat Furse: lol
[12:59] Amanda Linden: hey all.
[12:59] Peewee Musytari: yoyo amanda :)
[12:59] Wilhiam Hydraconis: hello Amanda
[12:59] Cummere Mayo: yes they do suspira... though im not banned off the forum... aparently i am off jira and no one bothered to tell me why
[12:59] Wildcat Furse: happy birthday THE ^^
[13:00] bob Iwashi: fraternal greeting, salutations, and warm alohas
[13:00] Darrius Gothly: Spanking party for Ƭɧȼ ℭąρɳ after the meeting!
[13:00] Venus Petrov: happy birthday
[13:00] Cummere Mayo: or even that I was banned off the jira
[13:00] Nad Warrior: no homo
[13:00] Deej Kasshiki: Good to see so many forumites here
[13:00] Caitlin Tobias: :))
[13:00] Peewee Musytari: heya raymond
[13:00] Raymond Linden: Hi All
[13:00] Lexie Linden: Hi
[13:00] Venus Petrov: hiya
[13:00] bob Iwashi: have we "started" yet?
[13:00] Nad Warrior: i wish my boy c toy were here
[13:00] Nad Warrior: comin atchu
[13:00] bob Iwashi: onigokko
[13:00] Wildcat Furse: hi raymond
[13:01] bob Iwashi: sorry, had to see :)
[13:01] Raymond Linden: Hi Cocoon
[13:01] Darrius Gothly: Howdy Ciaran.
[13:01] Venus Petrov: hiya Ciaran
[13:01] Torben Trautman: hi all
[13:01] Wilhiam Hydraconis: hello Ciaran ^>^
[13:01] Suspiria Finucane: Hi Ciaran :)
[13:01] Darrius Gothly: Hello Torben.
[13:01] Venus Petrov: hey Torben
[13:01] Ciaran Laval: Hi guys and girls
[13:01] Peewee Musytari: heya torben :)
[13:01] Wildcat Furse: hey ciaran, torben ^^
[13:01] Wilhiam Hydraconis: und Gutenabend Torben
[13:01] Nad Warrior: lindens are here
[13:02] Deej Kasshiki: Nad you look like you're about to rob a bank :)
[13:02] Nad Warrior: i am in a better mood
[13:02] Nad Warrior: i'm run shit, yeah
[13:02] Amanda Linden: hey all, here's the agenda for those who want to take a look, add things.
[13:02] Amanda Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:02] Wilhiam Hydraconis: can i add an item verbally ( The Linden scam spam issue ? )
[13:03] Amanda Linden: actually, that's something that raymond can address at the top, if you like.
[13:03] bob Iwashi: may i ask, did we get an answer to my query last week about the Lindens in Support holding office hours to hear our concerns?
[13:03] Darrius Gothly seconds Wil's request...
[13:03] Suspiria Finucane: .
[13:03] Amanda Linden: well, welcome everyone! nice big group here.
[13:03] Peewee Musytari: o/ "YAYYYY!!!"
[13:03] Peewee Musytari:
[13:03] Peewee Musytari: _/_
[13:03] Wilhiam Hydraconis: that would be great Amanda
[13:03] Amanda Linden: maybe raymond and the rest of the linden team can give some general updates....
[13:03] Jeremy Linden: Hello, Kung Fu Marketer :-)
[13:03] Amanda Linden: ;)
[13:03] Raymond Linden: Ok, sure I can give some updates
[13:04] bob Iwashi: jeremy!! hope you like the flowers fella :)
[13:04] Amanda Linden: anyone on the linden side wanna go first?
[13:04] Amanda Linden: sure--raymond, you go
[13:04] Raymond Linden: It has been a big week from the implementation side!
[13:04] Torben Trautman: Hi Mari
[13:04] Jeremy Linden: Flowers?
[13:04] Marianne McCann: Hey all!
[13:04] Raymond Linden: As you probably already know, the Reply functionality went live early Wednesday.
[13:04] Lexie Linden: yay!
[13:04] Torben Trautman: WOOOHOOO!!!!
[13:04] Venus Petrov: awesome
[13:04] Raymond Linden: This functionality shows who you are replying to in a thread and provides a link to the post you are replying to. This is a great addition. Thanks all for your suggestions!
[13:04] Peewee Musytari: heya jeremy
[13:04] Nad Warrior: lexie...anothe rlinden
[13:04] Marianne McCann: Very glad to see that!
[13:04] Daniel Voyager: yay
[13:04] Raymond Linden: We also just rolled out a fix to the Logon this morning. . .
[13:05] Raymond Linden: Essentially, the fix is as follows:
[13:05] Wilhiam Hydraconis: an essential addition that is welcomed much i believe
[13:05] Peewee Musytari: its great raymond :)
[13:05] Raymond Linden: If you are not logged in and are viewing a page within the community . . .. and then Log-in . . .. . you will remain on the page you are viewing instead of being sent to the top level Blog page. Definitely a better log-in experience!
[13:05] Nad Warrior: nad is the new imperator of SL *
[13:05] Caitlin Tobias: ooh! great
[13:05] Darrius Gothly: WOOT! Ty Raymond.
[13:05] Raymond Linden: What else . . .we removed some words from the Smut list. Added some words to the Spell-Checker. . ..
[13:05] Raymond Linden: By the way . . .if you find words that are not in the spell checker and should be, please let me know.
[13:05] Marianne McCann: One of my least favorite bugs, squashed!
[13:05] Venus Petrov: wonderful
[13:05] Raymond Linden: Please note however: The spell checker will give you an alert if the word begins a sentence and is not capitalized.
[13:05] Raymond Linden: We are also still continuing to scope out some UI work. Hoping to get that started next week.
[13:05] Darrius Gothly: Is "chink" such a naughty word these days Raymond?
[13:05] Ciaran Laval: Did you do anything with single signon? I had to login twice today for first time in weeks, or was that when you were tweaking?
[13:06] Raymond Linden: For example . .. adding a "Reply" button to the bottom of an entire thread. Changing some light gray fonts to darker gray, and some spacing/alignment issues.
[13:06] Marianne McCann: Um. Yes, yes it is
[13:06] Suspiria Finucane: Depends on the armor Darrius :)
[13:06] Darrius Gothly: LOL
[13:06] Raymond Linden: Community Guidelines have been translated . . .Rand can speak to that. Here is a link:
[13:06] Raymond Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Discussion_guidelines
[13:06] Darrius Gothly: When I was 20 .. it was. But now? Not so much.
[13:06] Marianne McCann: But ya.. context is key
[13:06] Raymond Linden: Lexie - any updates on the Answers sorting?
[13:07] Ruthma Resident took a snapshot
[13:07] Rand Linden: Look in the wiki page at lower left... "In other languages" are links to the translations
[13:07] Veluu Faulds took a snapshot
[13:07] Ruthma Resident took a snapshot
[13:07] Lexie Linden: Not yet but it is being looked at.
[13:07] Rand Linden: Thanks very much to the community translators who did the translations!
[13:07] Ruthma Resident took a snapshot
[13:07] Amanda Linden: i have an update re: moderation...
[13:07] Lexie Linden: Will update as soon as possible ã‹¡
[13:07] Raymond Linden: Yes, that issue is in Lithium's hands being reviewed
[13:07] Nad Warrior: me i did shit
[13:07] Peewee Musytari: poor old answers hehe
[13:07] Amanda Linden: so, your suggestion is in practice. :)
[13:07] Raymond Linden: So, that's about it from the implementation side
[13:07] Amanda Linden: i have alerted the moderators that everything that happened in first week (like warnings) don't count towards bans.
[13:07] Lexie Linden: niiice
[13:08] Venus Petrov: great ty
[13:08] Amanda Linden: sure thing.
[13:08] Amanda Linden: it's in effect right now.
[13:08] Amanda Linden: was on monday.
[13:08] Darrius Gothly: Has there been any consideration toward enabling Lithium's "Ideas" functionality?
[13:08] Suspiria Finucane: When is that going to take effect, the amnesty?
[13:08] Suspiria Finucane: Mine weren't removed
[13:08] Amanda Linden: they are not removed, but they are not counted towards bans.
[13:08] Peewee Musytari: yeah darrius I think that`d be good too
[13:08] Suspiria Finucane: same answer
[13:08] Wilhiam Hydraconis: not quite
[13:09] Nad Warrior: how many lindens here are gonna back nad warrior?
[13:09] Darrius Gothly: Sort of a "JIRA for Newbies"
[13:09] Peewee Musytari: instead of feedback forum which is a general everything forum now lol
[13:09] Suspiria Finucane: Mine wasn't removed
[13:09] Wilhiam Hydraconis: i must say the forums have improved since the switch to Lithium
[13:09] Wilhiam Hydraconis: with a few bumps
[13:10] Suspiria Finucane: Does that amnesty work for everyone?
[13:10] Amanda Linden: and, raymond, any updates on the spam issue....
[13:10] Wilhiam Hydraconis points his ears.
[13:10] Amanda Linden: towards bans
[13:10] Lexie Linden: We are working on the current portions of the platform, so ideas really is not something we have looked at too much yet
[13:10] Nad Warrior krumps.
[13:10] Amanda Linden: that is. :)
[13:10] Amanda Linden: yes, suspiria, any warnings that took place (for anyone) during the first week don't count as bans.
[13:10] Raymond Linden: Well . . .. we have been successful blocking some of it on the back end. But, now there is spam with images
[13:10] Nad Warrior: so wait... i can ball harder?
[13:10] Amanda Linden: and thanks william. :)
[13:10] Raymond Linden: And image spam is more difficult to deal with. But, we are working on it
[13:10] Marianne McCann: Maaan. Missed my chance to act out
[13:10] Suspiria Finucane: So when will mine be lifted and taken off my record?
[13:10] Darrius Gothly: Lexie .. please do give it extra consideration. I think it would make an excellent tool for feeback and improvements toward the future.
[13:10] Wilhiam Hydraconis: yw, Amanda
[13:10] Amanda Linden: suspiria--i believe that i've answered your quetsion.
[13:10] Amanda Linden: question
[13:11] Torben Trautman: Mari, I totally thought the same
[13:11] Lexie Linden: Noted Darrius!
[13:11] Darrius Gothly: Ty
[13:11] Peewee Musytari: did something happen today to direct non-english people to the forums?...a whole load arrived on answers at same time, all diff languages
[13:11] Nad Warrior: i will use caps
[13:11] Wilhiam Hydraconis: Raymond .. i posted in CF my findings about the spammer
[13:11] Suspiria Finucane: Yes you have
[13:11] Wilhiam Hydraconis: ?
[13:11] Wilhiam Hydraconis: will LL take actions accordingly ?
[13:11] Wilhiam Hydraconis: and was it helpful at all
[13:11] bob Iwashi: Raymond, could you find out for us why we are no longer able to file tickets complaining about matters?
[13:12] Raymond Linden: Question for the group . .what are your thoughts on posting thresholds? In terms of posts per minute. ect ?
[13:12] Peewee Musytari: Nuuuuuuu!
[13:12] Wildcat Furse: no limits please ^^
[13:12] Caitlin Tobias: lol
[13:12] Cummere Mayo: one per minute should be good
[13:12] Wilhiam Hydraconis: to stop the spammers ? .. yes
[13:12] Wilhiam Hydraconis: all for it
[13:12] Marianne McCann: Personally? Drive me nuts. I often hit the throttle on the last boards
[13:12] Caitlin Tobias: yes, one minute would be fine
[13:12] DogWomble Dollinger: well under the old system, the 120 seconds rule seemed to affect a number of people
[13:12] Darrius Gothly: Agreed .. no limits please.
[13:12] Peewee Musytari: hated that on old forum
[13:12] Ciaran Laval: Depends if it has an effect on edits
[13:12] Raymond Linden: Sounds like 1 per minute is OK
[13:12] Wildcat Furse: to stop spammers, it is more worth to have a moderation team 24/7
[13:12] DogWomble Dollinger: so maybe try 60 seconds instead?
[13:12] Amanda Linden: the limit is to keep spammers down...
[13:12] Wilhiam Hydraconis: patience is not a limitation
[13:12] Venus Petrov: to stop spammers, one minute is ok
[13:12] Peewee Musytari: no limits
[13:12] Wildcat Furse: the grid is operated 24/7 by its users
[13:12] Caitlin Tobias: yeah
[13:12] Wilhiam Hydraconis agrees with Venus.
[13:13] Marianne McCann: The spammers will still get through, I suspect
[13:13] Cummere Mayo: one per minute would be enough to throtle spam but not enough to really inconvience people
[13:13] Suspiria Finucane: Spammers win and we lose, why is it always like that?
[13:13] Deej Kasshiki: One minute seems reasonable
[13:13] Darrius Gothly: Limits are okay .. provided when you hit the governor that your post is not lost.
[13:13] Peewee Musytari: can it not be on answers?
[13:13] Peewee Musytari: there`s no spam ther
[13:13] Raymond Linden: Ok, thanks for the feedback
[13:13] DogWomble Dollinger: yeah, i'm thinking if a limit is going to be put in place, it needs to not inconvenience people too much
[13:13] Darrius Gothly: Yw Raymond.
[13:13] Suspiria Finucane: Why do residents get limitations due to spammers?
[13:13] Wilhiam Hydraconis: Because it benefits the whole forum, Susp
[13:14] Marianne McCann: Sus "This is why we can't have nice things"
[13:14] Darrius Gothly: Suzy .. they are trying to find a suitable middle ground that stops the spam and doesn't choke us off.
[13:14] Wilhiam Hydraconis: set your selfishness aside here aminute
[13:14] Wildcat Furse: is it not better to have moderation 24/7
[13:14] Marianne McCann: I would suggest revistiting it when it is clear it does not deter spammers
[13:14] Peewee Musytari: does it stop edits within 1 min too?....cos that would suck
[13:14] Darrius Gothly seconds Marianne's comment ...
[13:14] Nad Warrior: lindens can't see me
[13:14] Raymond Linden: Peewee - good question
[13:15] Wilhiam Hydraconis concurs with Marianne
[13:15] Suspiria Finucane: Good point Mari
[13:15] Raymond Linden: I dont actually know! Need to check on that one
[13:15] Lexie Linden: It might Peewee, because you are re-posting
[13:15] Lexie Linden: Yes, we can double check that
[13:15] Nad Warrior: yeah you bes tnot look at me, rand
[13:15] Darrius Gothly: If so, then it needs to disregard edits. Those happen rapid-fire sometimes.
[13:15] Peewee Musytari: ty
[13:15] Cummere Mayo: limits will never detere spammers but a one per minute limitation wouldnt incovence that many people and it would slow the bots that can do a post every half second
[13:16] Wilhiam Hydraconis: agreed Darrius .
[13:16] Peewee Musytari: yeah I often see an edit as soon as I click post and go straight back in
[13:16] Cummere Mayo: edits shouldnt need throttled
[13:16] Lexie Linden: There has been less spam overall though, right?
[13:16] Wilhiam Hydraconis: Forums gets overflooded too quick now .. there's has to be a timer that restricts that
[13:16] Lexie Linden: Its getting better
[13:16] Darrius Gothly: (apologies to all) nad, your disruptive commentary is unwelcome. Please stop.
[13:16] Venus Petrov: i don't see a huge difference, really
[13:16] Wildcat Furse: me neither ^^
[13:16] Nad Warrior: sl is always gettin 'better'
[13:16] Lexie Linden: We will keep working on it
[13:17] Wilhiam Hydraconis: i notice it is more rapidly acted upon
[13:17] Deej Kasshiki: Depends on th3 time of day
[13:17] Wildcat Furse: just employ a nr 221 & 222 LINDEN ....^^
[13:17] Venus Petrov: lol Wildcat
[13:17] Wilhiam Hydraconis: lol Wildcat
[13:17] Caitlin Tobias: heh
[13:17] Cummere Mayo: most spam is getting better
[13:17] Cummere Mayo: not all but most
[13:17] Wildcat Furse: ;o)
[13:17] Darrius Gothly: And please please please hire someone with "backwards body clock" to handle overnight spam and ... umm .. "stuff".
[13:17] Venus Petrov: well, instead of creating an OP spam, I have seen spam within threads
[13:18] Wildcat Furse: @DARRIUS ->yes
[13:18] Amanda Linden: actually, we do have folks who work at odd hours...the mods.
[13:18] Cummere Mayo: and ill even grudgingly admit moderation is a fraction of a percent more sane
[13:18] Amanda Linden: not consistently tho. :) there are times when mods are working in middle of nite tho.
[13:18] Amanda Linden: wow--cummere. that made my day. :)
[13:18] Wildcat Furse: the grid runs 24/7 ..... ops should support in some areas too ...
[13:18] Amanda Linden: thank you!
[13:18] bob Iwashi: i agree wildcat
[13:18] Wildcat Furse: ty
[13:19] Darrius Gothly: Preferred to have someone assigned those hours, rather than just ad hoc "when they can" scheduling. But yes, I have seen some actions done at off hours .. ty.
[13:19] Rand Linden: Amanda - do youwant to go through the agenda items from https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group #Agenda ?
[13:19] Amanda Linden: yep, good idea.
[13:19] Caitlin Tobias: your off hours, is my primetime :p
[13:19] Venus Petrov: that would be nice
[13:19] Amanda Linden: first item is mature forum.
[13:19] Amanda Linden: that's a toughie.
[13:19] Venus Petrov: yes!
[13:19] Venus Petrov: you were going to pow-wow about it
[13:19] Amanda Linden: we have an adult private forum (venus, did you and blondin ever connect?)
[13:19] Amanda Linden: it's a toughie.
[13:19] Venus Petrov: i think we need such a place
[13:20] Cummere Mayo: its not up yet i thought
[13:20] Venus Petrov: that forum is for adult land owners and content creators, i understand
[13:20] Suspiria Finucane: Why do we need a mature forum?
[13:20] Cummere Mayo: and its not really LL run
[13:20] Wilhiam Hydraconis agrees again with Venus.
[13:20] Venus Petrov: not residents
[13:20] Wilhiam Hydraconis: there's a need for such a forum
[13:20] Amanda Linden: we want to support the adult community, but so much of the topic discussion is not in accordance with our guidelines.
[13:20] Venus Petrov: we need one for residents
[13:20] Wildcat Furse: yes ^^
[13:20] Suspiria Finucane: So people can curse?
[13:20] Amanda Linden: yes, but our forums may not be the place. our forums need to be g rated.
[13:20] Nad Warrior: i heard that set LL is nothin
[13:20] Caitlin Tobias: adults only curse? lol
[13:20] Venus Petrov: so people can discuss mature/adult topics
[13:20] Wilhiam Hydraconis: no .. so people don't need to get frustrated to be pettied t speak as children
[13:20] Deej Kasshiki: So people can discuss mature subjects Susperia
[13:20] Wilhiam Hydraconis: no offence Marianne
[13:20] Cummere Mayo: amanda why cant we have a g rated and an adult rated? like so many other games?
[13:20] Suspiria Finucane: Mature like what?
[13:21] Wilhiam Hydraconis: LIke sexuality
[13:21] Amanda Linden: unfortunately, the adult verification doesn't work in lithium (we don't have it set up that way)
[13:21] Venus Petrov: the agenda topic has examples
[13:21] Wildcat Furse: I want to post sexier pics on the forum ...^^
[13:21] DogWomble Dollinger: amanda is it possible to have a 'mature' section set up so that it is only visible when a person logs in and is verified as being 18?
[13:21] Amanda Linden: raymond, can u speak to this more?
[13:21] Cummere Mayo: you dont really need it too amanda
[13:21] Deej Kasshiki: I dunno like say BDSM for instance that's permitted inworld but not on the forums?
[13:21] Suspiria Finucane: Isn't this Second Life? We have no sexuality.
[13:21] Amanda Linden: dog--that's the answer.... agreed.
[13:21] Darrius Gothly: Like someone wanting to discuss various **bleep** animations for their personal **bleep** attachments business.
[13:21] Venus Petrov: relationship issues, adult content, adult areas/ clubs, entertainment
[13:21] Venus Petrov: these are part of the SL economy
[13:21] Caitlin Tobias: yes
[13:22] tulinhogatinholindinho12 Resident: yes
[13:22] Cummere Mayo: they are honestly big attractors of people into SL too
[13:22] Amanda Linden: unfortunately, we don't have adult verification in the community platform, so we just can't do it eyt.
[13:22] Wildcat Furse: I second Venus ^^
[13:22] Wilhiam Hydraconis: i understand LL's approach to a general PG standard to the forums
[13:22] Amanda Linden: raymond? lexie? anyone else wnat to jump in?
[13:22] Raymond Linden: We can look into whether age verification is technically possible within the community
[13:22] Venus Petrov: why can't one be setup and then given access by request until the verification is available?
[13:22] Darrius Gothly: Admission by application will suffice till that is implemented. The Linden tasked with approving Apps can manually check the Profile.
[13:22] Wilhiam Hydraconis: but the adults need a space to speak openly
[13:22] Amanda Linden: that's the only way we can have a mature area.
[13:22] Cummere Mayo: amanda why not do it as an access granted only site ?
[13:23] Wilhiam Hydraconis: and that will not work with only 'gee golly gosh' convos
[13:23] Cummere Mayo: where your password gets emailed when you verify for in world
[13:23] Amanda Linden: i hear you guys--for sure.
[13:23] Cummere Mayo: then only verified people can get in
[13:23] Rand Linden: To the question of "what is mature" please see: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/English-Knowledge-Base/Maturity-ratings/ta-p/700119 #Maturity_ratings_overview
[13:23] Amanda Linden: raymond can look into the technical pieces....
[13:23] Wildcat Furse: I like that idea Cummere ^^
[13:23] Ciaran Laval: How did you setup the merchants roundtable?
[13:23] Rand Linden: The forums are general
[13:23] Venus Petrov: we need more than hearing, Amanda, with all due respect
[13:23] bob Iwashi: 1/2 answers?
[13:23] Raymond Linden: Yep - I will look into the technical side
[13:23] Darrius Gothly: Zackly the point Ciaran .. ty
[13:23] bob Iwashi: please, no more 1/2 answers
[13:23] Cummere Mayo: raymond, i'd be willing to flush out my idea further with you
[13:23] Amanda Linden: venus, can you give us a week to see if we can scope adult verification in the forums?
[13:24] Qie Niangao: hmmm. might be a challenge keeping Search from veering into the Adult content forum, unwanted.
[13:24] Amanda Linden: otehrwise, the answer has to be no. we're at general maturity lvel in the forums.
[13:24] Amanda Linden: level
[13:24] Venus Petrov: sure, if you have a backup plan pls...one that can be implemented
[13:24] Raymond Linden: Cummere - ok, shoot me a PM with your idea
[13:24] tulinhogatinholindinho12 Resident: vc pode vir aqui onde eu estou vem me ajudar
[13:24] Darrius Gothly: Qie .. I believe the Merchant Roundtable is invisible to Search now.
[13:24] Ciaran Laval: but you already have one adult forums
[13:24] Venus Petrov: why not have access granted by request?
[13:24] Qie Niangao: ah. okay
[13:24] Wilhiam Hydraconis: very well said , Venus
[13:24] Venus Petrov: like the one in commerce ?
[13:25] Peewee Musytari: if there was verification it would cover search I should think...you wouldn`t get results for adult if u weren`t verified
[13:25] Wilhiam Hydraconis: should be a possiblity
[13:25] Venus Petrov: that could be implemented much faster
[13:25] Amanda Linden: there are private forums, yes.
[13:25] Ciaran Laval: Yes the one for land owners and merchants is private
[13:25] Suspiria Finucane: If commerce has one why do you need another?
[13:25] Venus Petrov: tehn if age verification won't work, by request would
[13:25] Venus Petrov: scroll up Suspiria
[13:25] Amanda Linden: ok, can we table this one until raymond gets his arms around it, so to speak. :)
[13:25] Nad Warrior: ya'll don't know how to sweat lindens
[13:25] Suspiria Finucane: no thanks I can read
[13:25] Darrius Gothly: Because Merchant Roundtable is an All Ages R-Rated area.
[13:25] Darrius Gothly: Ahem .. G-rated
[13:25] bob Iwashi: could we have the update on potential support oh please raymond?
[13:26] Venus Petrov: ok so next meeting will be report out and a backup plan? please? we need this area
[13:26] Amanda Linden: ok, next item....
[13:26] Amanda Linden: ok, venus!
[13:26] Amanda Linden: :)
[13:26] Venus Petrov: thank you!
[13:26] teddy Zepp: hello
[13:26] Amanda Linden: sure thing. you're all heard loud and clear. we'll see what we can do.
[13:26] bytatoo Resident: heyy
[13:27] Amanda Linden: ok, bob--we can't address support issues as this is not a group for support.
[13:27] Amanda Linden: this is only on community tools. sorry. out of scope (and the scope of Lindens in attendance)
[13:27] bob Iwashi: fair enough, but last week raymond diod asy he'd relay the message, i only wiondered if he had any news on that front
[13:27] Amanda Linden: ok, clarification on policy of third-party sites.
[13:27] bob Iwashi whispers: say*
[13:27] Darrius Gothly: Amanda .. can you please "poke" that group to be more communicative?
[13:27] Amanda Linden: really, this is about advertising.
[13:27] Cummere Mayo sent raymond her idea which should give LL an alternate implementation in case prefered fails.... see I -can- work with lindens >.>
[13:27] Rand Linden: Amanda: I think bob was asking if support was going to start a UG
[13:27] Amanda Linden: messages was passed to them, for sure.
[13:27] Darrius Gothly: Ty
[13:27] Amanda Linden: not to my knowledge--no support ug.
[13:28] Amanda Linden: but, again--we can pass that message along. none in teh plans that i know of
[13:28] Raymond Linden: Bob - I dont actually have an update there. But, I'll try to get you an answer next week
[13:28] Nad Warrior: they aint passin along shit
[13:28] bob Iwashi: please, if you could - not to flame etc, just so whichever linden is responsible will hear our concerns
[13:28] Amanda Linden: so, the third-party thing is about advertising.
[13:28] Amanda Linden: best to keep the convo's contained within teh forums.
[13:29] Amanda Linden: that said, the mods only see what's flagged (for the most part)
[13:29] Darrius Gothly: For example ... links to my blog are considered advertising .. even though I don't host banners or derive direct income from the site?
[13:29] Amanda Linden: so, if you link to a third party site that someone finds is inappriiate, then we'll deal with it.
[13:29] Cummere Mayo: amanda i did notice that a mod cut a link to a support tools website then reversed themselves
[13:29] teddy Zepp: May I ask what is the topic for today's meeting ?
[13:29] Cummere Mayo: so ... kudos
[13:29] Jeremy Linden: Quick reminder - we're holding this user group in a G-rated region. We appreciate your effort to speak and act accordingly. :-)
[13:29] teddy Zepp: Hello everyone
[13:29] Deej Kasshiki: What would be considered advertising? Links to personal blogs for ex?
[13:29] Amanda Linden: here's the agenda.
[13:30] Amanda Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group
[13:30] teddy Zepp: hello Daniel
[13:30] Darrius Gothly: Ty Jeremy
[13:30] bytatoo Resident: hey
[13:30] bytatoo Resident: welcome
[13:30] Nad Warrior: jeremy you best not be talkin to me, punk
[13:30] Amanda Linden: it's probably ok, maybe that line needs to be clarified a bit.
[13:30] teddy Zepp: hello Raymond
[13:30] Raymond Linden: Hi teddy
[13:30] Darrius Gothly: Bye nad.
[13:30] teddy Zepp: thank you Amanda
[13:30] Qie Niangao: just to be sure... it's okay to link to an ongoing discussion on SLUniverse, then? I don't have to just mumble "across the street" and point?
[13:30] Amanda Linden: hey, no meannness to jeremy. :)
[13:30] Cummere Mayo: jeremy most of us are trying. keep in mind though g rated may have differant definitions to differant people and cultures
[13:30] Amanda Linden: lemme look into clarifiying that item in the community guidelines.
[13:30] starlight Midal: hi all
[13:31] bytatoo Resident: hi starlight
[13:31] Amanda Linden: there are lots of links to third party sites that we can't possibly get to--only flagged stuff anyway.
[13:31] Jeremy Linden: Cummere, you guys did a good job talking about the adult forums within the bounds of this discussion. I was just politely warning Nad.
[13:31] Amanda Linden: but, i see that you're right.more clarity there would be a good thing.
[13:31] Nad Warrior: best keep my name outcho mouth son
[13:31] Wilhiam Hydraconis: i'd suggest to avoid such linkage one would have to disable linking in the editor in general
[13:31] Amanda Linden: ok, next item. kb index.
[13:32] Darrius Gothly: Ty Amanda. There are many personal blogs that are not specifically commercial, but are hosted on commercial sites. However they contain very useful commentary that ought to be included at times.
[13:32] Rand Linden: If I may, I'd like to address the KB-related topics... As to a KB "Landing Page", that is something we are working on
[13:32] Amanda Linden: go for it.
[13:32] Rand Linden: It's a fine idea, and we intend to do it asap.
[13:32] Amanda Linden: hear you darrius. for sure.
[13:32] Amanda Linden: ossm rand.
[13:32] Darrius Gothly: Ty
[13:32] Peewee Musytari: any progress on better instructions for answers?....how to find their posts, how to repost on them, getting answers to their email by default & marking them as answered?
[13:32] Rand Linden: As for links to translations, there is unfortunately no built-in mechanism for that, so we will have to do it manually...
[13:33] Rand Linden: but we will add something to the KB style guide to ensure standardization... another good suggestion!
[13:33] Lexie Linden: Peewee, we are hoping to have additional videos that will help people learn more about using Answers
[13:33] teddy Zepp: may I ask what are some of the stats and responds from the community in regards to the community tools ?
[13:33] Amanda Linden: think we covered htat last week. we need a few more weeks under our belt before we can share basic stats.
[13:33] Venus Petrov: I wonder if you renamed that forum Questions & Answers?
[13:33] Amanda Linden: it's only been a month or so.
[13:34] Venus Petrov: rather than just Answers
[13:34] Darrius Gothly: Good idea Venus. Or maybe "Q & A"?
[13:34] Raymond Linden: teddy - we will have 1 month of data by the 2nd. Then, I will compile the metrics
[13:34] Peewee Musytari: I agree...questions in answers sounds so weird
[13:34] Venus Petrov: yes that would work, too.
[13:34] Amanda Linden: it's based on yahoo! answers--very industry standard.
[13:34] Darrius Gothly: Ty Raymond.
[13:34] Lexie Linden: Interesting idea Venus, noted!
[13:34] teddy Zepp: fantastic Raymond please keep me posted
[13:34] Amanda Linden: in that context, is it still weird?
[13:34] Caitlin Tobias: yeah
[13:34] Cummere Mayo: for the first time and probably only time
[13:34] Amanda Linden: kk, good to know.
[13:34] Venus Petrov: some people aren't aware of industry standards ã‹¡
[13:35] Peewee Musytari: I liked second life answers
[13:35] Caitlin Tobias: <-- not into yahoo..so no clue..lol
[13:35] Darrius Gothly: Yes. Just cuz Yahoo does it .. don't mean it makes sense.
[13:35] Cummere Mayo: that industy standard could really use changing
[13:35] Peewee Musytari: thats more like yahoo answers in that sense
[13:35] Deej Kasshiki: Oz always likes to say that industry standards are a real bugaboo :)
[13:35] Raymond Linden: What are some suggestions on improving Answers?
[13:35] Peewee Musytari: the name?
[13:35] Venus Petrov: lol
[13:35] Cummere Mayo: rename it to q&A and let orriginal posters be able to reply easier...
[13:36] Deej Kasshiki: And making it so that they don't fall from the main page so quickly
[13:36] Caitlin Tobias: I find the whole structure puzzling, with answers/comments..it is alloever the place
[13:36] Tankmaster Finesmith: nice thing about industry standards is theres lots to choose from
[13:36] Darrius Gothly: Yes .. thread OP comments inline with posts from others.
[13:36] Lexie Linden: Noted Deej
[13:36] Deej Kasshiki: Agrees Cait
[13:36] Cummere Mayo: and for the love of god, get more mods like the one that reversed themselves that understand that sometimes to answer a question you HAVE to link to an outside site
[13:36] Peewee Musytari: the top things they complain is...cant` find my post, can`t answer my own post, where do I see my answers
[13:36] Wilhiam Hydraconis: i find moderation should also direct users to Q & A if need ( like moving threads )
[13:36] Caitlin Tobias: yup Peewee
[13:37] Venus Petrov: agree Wil
[13:37] Lisa Fossett: Is there someone tasked with organizing and categorizing the Answers?
[13:37] Wilhiam Hydraconis: many still wind up in general forums
[13:37] teddy Zepp: I would say making it easier to refine the questions within the database formate
[13:37] Deej Kasshiki: The replies can be very hard to follow
[13:37] Peewee Musytari: the comments format is a nightmare
[13:37] Caitlin Tobias: yes, there are answers and then lots of comments on separate answers
[13:37] Caitlin Tobias: even I get lost
[13:37] Ciaran Laval: Some instructions would be helpful when you click the answers tab, or at least a prominent link to how to use that section
[13:37] Lexie Linden: ok
[13:37] Cummere Mayo: ie its very hard to help someone find where to get flash without pointing them to adobe's site or quicktime without pointing to apple><
[13:37] Darrius Gothly: (out of band comment) When a thread is moved, it's "last read" pointer is reset. Can it be reworked so your profile knows that in the new location it is still the same thread and keeps the last read pointer?
[13:38] Ciaran Laval: The FAQ should be at the top not bottom
[13:38] Peewee Musytari: somewhere obvious with a HUGE red arrow
[13:38] Marianne McCann: (Gotta zip off. have fun all)
[13:38] Lexie Linden: We can look at that ciaran
[13:38] Amanda Linden: thanks marianne. always good to see you!
[13:38] Darrius Gothly: TC Marianne
[13:39] Raymond Linden: Ok, thanks for all the responses.
[13:39] Ciaran Laval: Bye mari
[13:39] Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
[13:39] Wildcat Furse: tc Marianne
[13:39] Venus Petrov: tc Mari
[13:39] Wilhiam Hydraconis: =^.*= ????
[13:39] Wilhiam Hydraconis: pls progress , Lindens ^.^
[13:39] Amanda Linden: so, last item and then open for questions....
[13:40] Amanda Linden: re: premiums and live chat, etc.
[13:40] Peewee Musytari: the confusing help page hehe
[13:40] Amanda Linden: that's a support thing, so we can't really answer that one much beyond the basics.
[13:40] Darrius Gothly: (rewind to earlier topic .. sorry) With the changes to logon issues .. has the idle timeout been lengthened any?
[13:40] bob Iwashi: hear hear
[13:40] bob Iwashi: to amanda*
[13:40] Lexie Linden: No Darrius it has not been changed
[13:40] Cummere Mayo: yeah i talked to support this weekend that thoguht premium had the ticket on the front page
[13:40] Darrius Gothly: (rats .. ty)
[13:41] Cummere Mayo wonders if support people ever USE the support page *chuckles*
[13:41] Venus Petrov: smiles
[13:41] Deej Kasshiki chuckles
[13:41] Amanda Linden: yeah, i hear ya there. we're lookin at it cummere.
[13:41] DogWomble Dollinger: i use the support as an avenue to get to live chat :P
[13:41] Peewee Musytari: so getting the message on the help page directing non-english people to their forums (in their language) is support too?
[13:41] Amanda Linden: so, any other community tools topics?
[13:42] Suspiria Finucane: When is the broken ranking system going to be fixed? I’ve waited for 4 weeks with no suitable answer.
[13:42] Darrius Gothly: One ...
[13:42] bob Iwashi: sorry, but live support atm are a joke :(
[13:42] bob Iwashi: and that's all i'm saying afore i get on my soapbox
[13:42] Peewee Musytari: they really are hehe
[13:42] Cummere Mayo: thats a given bob but eh
[13:42] Darrius Gothly: Psychology topic ... it's easier to attack and hate faceless mods. A "Meet the Mods" would be good to personalize and familiarize people with the Mods.
[13:42] Peewee Musytari: the stuff they tell people is embarassing
[13:43] Cummere Mayo: might be a good idea to have the mods attend these hours anyways
[13:43] teddy Zepp: amanda will we take ideas from here and used them to test the community tools
[13:43] Venus Petrov: or rotate them in occasionally
[13:43] Cummere Mayo: cause it might be good for them to understand why people are so upset
[13:43] Ciaran Laval: Any chance of a new products or events section in the forums? Or places for people to promote inworld content, there are plenty of discussions on how to, but where are the examples? Machinima for example
[13:43] Wilhiam Hydraconis: 'Meet the Mods' might better be a thread topic perhaps.
[13:43] Venus Petrov grins@Wil
[13:43] Wilhiam Hydraconis: so mods can present themselves for the occasion
[13:43] Darrius Gothly: Agreed Wil. They don't need to learn us as much as we need to not see them as faceless dictators.
[13:44] Amanda Linden: hey lord--good idea re: machinima.
[13:44] Amanda Linden: do we have a hread on machinima yet?
[13:44] Lexie Linden: We do in the Creation forum
[13:44] Lisa Fossett: nods
[13:44] Amanda Linden: ossm. :)
[13:44] Wilhiam Hydraconis: there's a section on Machina ,yes
[13:44] Amanda Linden: thought so.
[13:44] Suspiria Finucane: Yes and my machinma thread was moved from the machinima sub-forum by a mod
[13:44] Ciaran Laval: You have a discussion on it in creation but not a promotional, you've just launched a monthly event about it
[13:44] Amanda Linden: in fact, today we're annoucning the month of manchima with the LEA (check otu the blog post in Second Life section)
[13:44] Amanda Linden: :)
[13:45] Amanda Linden: yep.
[13:45] Ciaran Laval: It would be nice if in your website somewhere I could see people's machinima
[13:45] Amanda Linden: yes, in fact i talked ot courtney about this today.
[13:45] Amanda Linden: let's talk offline. this is off topic... :)
[13:45] Suspiria Finucane: There is a thread showcasing Machinima links, been there for over 3 weeks
[13:46] Darrius Gothly: Good Promotions always leverage every possible form of contribution. The Community Platform is a VERY vibrant and rich source of content. I suggest using it well.
[13:46] Amanda Linden: :)
[13:46] Amanda Linden: we have about 15 mins left.
[13:46] Venus Petrov: quick question
[13:46] Amanda Linden: open mic on community tools...
[13:46] Amanda Linden: sure
[13:46] Venus Petrov: regarding the mature forum and age verify...one can be age verified w NPIOF right?
[13:47] Ciaran Laval: Yes Venus
[13:47] Venus Petrov: good thanks ã‹¡
[13:47] Venus Petrov: awards you a kudo!
[13:47] Amanda Linden: lol
[13:47] Cummere Mayo: kudos system must burn
[13:47] teddy Zepp: can we use a white board in meeting to highlight topics, ideas and goals
[13:47] Cummere Mayo looks for match and gasoline
[13:47] Lexie Linden: haha
[13:47] Lexie Linden: no burnt kudos :(
[13:48] Wilhiam Hydraconis: lol Cummere
[13:48] Wildcat Furse: could there be a group added for the sailing or flying communities? or a group for sports in general ? ^^
[13:48] Venus Petrov: ã‹¡
[13:48] Amanda Linden: wildcat--good idea.
[13:48] DogWomble Dollinger turns the toaster down to stop burning the kudos
[13:48] Suspiria Finucane: It's gamed to easily and nothing is done about it
[13:48] Darrius Gothly: On any thread page there are two different links that direct people back to the Topics page. Though they both do the same thing, they are labeled differently. Can that be fixed?
[13:48] Wildcat Furse: it is a very large community
[13:48] Cummere Mayo: yeah its being games to the point where people areasking NOT to be kudo'd out of protest
[13:48] Amanda Linden: absolutely.
[13:48] Amanda Linden: sports is huge.
[13:48] Wildcat Furse: yes
[13:48] Suspiria Finucane: How can someone issue 9 kudos a day to the same persona and it isn't gaming?
[13:49] Amanda Linden: raymond/lexie, we should totally do that.
[13:49] Amanda Linden: and sailing--amazing community.
[13:49] Peewee Musytari: haha crashed and came back you are all ruth wigs and no bodies lol
[13:49] Lexie Linden: I agree on the sports!
[13:49] Qie Niangao: A geeky little question, might be old: Is there a reason why the setting Preferences / General / "Sort topics by time of most recent post" is turned off by default? Does anybody use the other sort order, whatever it is?
[13:49] Wildcat Furse: I fly a WWII bomber, always nice to announce when I am going to bomb a sim ^^
[13:49] Wilhiam Hydraconis: lol
[13:49] Wildcat Furse: ;o)
[13:49] Amanda Linden: :)
[13:49] Raymond Linden: Darius - let me look into that
[13:49] Venus Petrov: if the person is busy answering question, easy
[13:49] Venus Petrov: *questions
[13:49] Darrius Gothly: Ty Raymond. I posted on it early on. I can get the link if you wish.
[13:49] Cummere Mayo puts on a flack jacket
[13:50] Wilhiam Hydraconis: A Lancaster or a Heinkel, Wildcat ? ^ .^
[13:50] Wildcat Furse: lancaster Wil ^^
[13:50] Wilhiam Hydraconis: good :)
[13:50] Raymond Linden: Darius - yeah, a link would be great! Thanks
[13:50] Darrius Gothly: What? Not a B1-B?
[13:50] Darrius Gothly: Can do.
[13:50] Cummere Mayo: okay on the jira and support they say take policy questions to the forums, on the forums the mods say take it to user groups, at user groups they say thats off topic....
[13:50] Wilhiam Hydraconis: it's a EU thang, Darrius ;P :)
[13:50] Cummere Mayo: can we PLEASE have either a policty jira or a policy forum? please please?
[13:51] Amanda Linden: no, i'm sorry. there are no policy user groups or forums.
[13:51] Darrius Gothly: LOL (simple colonist here)
[13:51] Suspiria Finucane: Can we also have equal amnesty and not just for favorites?
[13:51] Peewee Musytari: is called the linden board of directors
[13:51] Cummere Mayo: thats my point amanda theres not one, and lindens keep sending us to jira and forums
[13:51] Cummere Mayo: ><
[13:51] Lexie Linden: We do not play favorites Suspiria
[13:52] Amanda Linden: who's sending you where?
[13:52] Wilhiam Hydraconis: How long will your ban last, Susp ?
[13:52] Wilhiam Hydraconis: just curious
[13:52] Suspiria Finucane: Then why isn't my warning lifed?
[13:52] Ciaran Laval: Do you liaise with Soft and The Jira gang?
[13:52] Wildcat Furse: and maybe an idea is to have a discussion group for newbies .... it must be hard time to time to step into the fire for them .... a newbie group could open the door for them ^^
[13:52] Ciaran Laval: ooh a welcome forum or say hello
[13:52] Amanda Linden: again, suspiria. warnings are not deleted, but the ones received during the first week don't count towards bans going forward. that applies for everyone.
[13:52] Wildcat Furse: yes lord
[13:53] Wildcat Furse: I see a lot of new residents activities
[13:53] Ciaran Laval: yeah that has potential
[13:53] Cummere Mayo: theres a number of lindens that say put policy requests on the jira, the jira lindens all say put it on the forums
[13:53] Cummere Mayo: on the forums mods say go to usergroups
[13:53] Amanda Linden: that's interesting cummere, i'll look into that.
[13:53] Amanda Linden: noted
[13:53] Suspiria Finucane: So any ban with a warning issued in the first week is reversed right?
[13:53] Amanda Linden: yeah, i'll make it clearer to folks internally on that.
[13:53] Amanda Linden: sorry for run around.
[13:53] Cummere Mayo: we just need a place somewhere anywhere
[13:53] Ciaran Laval: Talk to the JJira folk and ask them how many jira entries get created that should be tickets or discussed in forums
[13:54] Amanda Linden: no, going forward, all bans under consideration will only include warnings from the second week and beyond.
[13:54] Suspiria Finucane: SO amnesty isn'tt for everyone
[13:54] Wildcat Furse: did you read about the NEWBIE or NEW RESIDENT group idea Kung Fu?
[13:54] Wilhiam Hydraconis: no.. what is said is that you owe your ban to something happening after that first week, Susp
[13:54] Amanda Linden: i love that idea actually.
[13:54] Lexie Linden: me too
[13:54] Amanda Linden: i have something brewing on that--doing a lot more for newbies.
[13:54] teddy Zepp: how can we take our suggestions and ideas from out meeting and set them inot task and solutions ?
[13:55] Rand Linden: I agree, a newbie forum / group seems like a good idea!
[13:55] Suspiria Finucane: Thanks for clarifying your revesal of statement
[13:55] Amanda Linden: happy to get suggestions--i'm in ideating phase now. so bring 'em on.
[13:55] teddy Zepp: our into
[13:55] Venus Petrov: i believe the statements have been very consistent Suspiria
[13:55] Ciaran Laval: I'd point you in the direction of an example of one but fear getting slapped, but other forums where the CEO posts have the new user area
[13:55] Wildcat Furse: I see them posting in answers ..... but it is a small step from there to welcome them in the viable forum
[13:55] Caitlin Tobias: yep
[13:55] Wilhiam Hydraconis: indeed
[13:55] Suspiria Finucane: How so last week it was amnesty for everyone, now it isn't
[13:56] Amanda Linden: suspiria, i:)
[13:56] Amanda Linden: have i been unclear?
[13:56] Peewee Musytari: how is it not for everyone?
[13:56] Amanda Linden: :)
[13:56] Suspiria Finucane: I can dig out Amanda's exact words if you like
[13:56] Wilhiam Hydraconis: no you haven't , Amanda
[13:56] Venus Petrov: the statement this week is the same as last week's
[13:56] Amanda Linden: not sure how i can be clearer, but happy to guet suggestions fromt eh crowd.
[13:56] Wildcat Furse: this week is the 'gallow', next week the 'guillotine' ... matter of variation ^^
[13:56] Cummere Mayo: suspira im not understanding what is so confusing?
[13:56] Venus Petrov: laughs Wildcat
[13:56] Wildcat Furse: haha ^^
[13:56] Ciaran Laval: Suspiria what happened in week one stays in week one
[13:56] Venus Petrov: it has always been week one only
[13:56] Lisa Fossett: You (Lindens present) might consider it off topic, but there's an issue I want to bring up. The lack of posting any metrics as regards to Incident Reports is leading many to say nothing happens.
[13:57] Suspiria Finucane: ok if a warning issued in the first wek is given amnesty, how can it count toward a ban?
[13:57] teddy Zepp: how are we doing on the front of making second life easier for users to use from their viewers
[13:57] Wildcat Furse: the past is gone, today is today, tomorrow is a mystery (misery) ^^
[13:57] Lisa Fossett: I think that's a bad impression to put forward
[13:57] Peewee Musytari: if u had a warning in week 1 and ur name gets put up for a ban, ur warning for that week won`t be included in the decision...no matter who u are
[13:57] Darrius Gothly: Good point Lisa.
[13:57] Cummere Mayo: thats the point suspira ... it doesnt
[13:57] Wilhiam Hydraconis: you got banned for something that did not happen in the first week, Susp
[13:57] Suspiria Finucane: Amanda just said onlyu going forward
[13:57] DogWomble Dollinger: suspiria it doesn't
[13:57] bob Iwashi: teddy, i swore blind i'll never use viewr 2, and i never will
[13:57] teddy Zepp: and are we making any contracts with third party game companies ?
[13:57] Qie Niangao: Lisa: That's a *very* good point. It affects the community a lot, even if it's not part of Community Tools. Actually, *because* it's not part of Community Tools.
[13:57] Suspiria Finucane: SO the past is NOT forgiven
[13:57] Venus Petrov: only things post week one
[13:57] teddy Zepp: a simple viewer
[13:57] Suspiria Finucane: TGot that part
[13:58] Wilhiam Hydraconis: only in the first week *sigh* ..
[13:58] bob Iwashi: ranks as one of the worst things lindne labs have done, imho, viewer 2, ontynes, scouts
[13:58] Peewee Musytari: week one warnings are ignore susp
[13:58] Cummere Mayo: wait if a first week doesnt count...
[13:58] Peewee Musytari: not deleted
[13:58] DogWomble Dollinger: suspiria the past is forgiven, it's just if you got banned after that first week, it's because of somethign that happened after that first week
[13:58] Ciaran Laval: Yeah Tyche's incident blotter hasn't been updated since December
[13:58] Cummere Mayo: but you get three warnings the second week you still get banned
[13:58] DogWomble Dollinger: unless you made yourself unclear and were banned within that first week?
[13:58] Suspiria Finucane: If first week doesn't count bans given for those warnings should be reversed
[13:58] Darrius Gothly: To divert the concept of warnings/bans a bit .. when are they "forgiven" .. if they are forgiven at all? If they are not, wouldn't it be fair to delete them after a reasonable "aging" period?
[13:58] Cummere Mayo: oooh
[13:58] Cummere Mayo: i see now
[13:58] Suspiria Finucane: Yet Amanda says no
[13:59] Wilhiam Hydraconis: do you know why you got banned at all , Susp ?
[13:59] Peewee Musytari: what difference does it make if they are ignored anyway suspiria?
[13:59] Wilhiam Hydraconis: seems you're clueless about the occasion triggering it
[13:59] teddy Zepp: for example can we set second life to open instantly in face book
[13:59] Suspiria Finucane: The difference is one warning of three can make a ban unnecessary
[13:59] Suspiria Finucane: Negating the ban
[13:59] Darrius Gothly: Umm .. Wil? How about "unclear" instead?
[13:59] Amanda Linden: ok, susupria, i think we've spent a good amount of time making sure that you understand, thanks to everyone who chimed in. :)
[13:59] Peewee Musytari: a ban that has already been served?
[14:00] Wilhiam Hydraconis: seems the same to me in her case , Darrius
[14:00] Amanda Linden: this one went quick, huh?!
[14:00] Peewee Musytari: you can`t really undo that
[14:00] Amanda Linden: and, we're at the end of our time!
[14:00] Lexie Linden: It did
[14:00] Cummere Mayo: shes saying if the ban was issued before the decision to give an amnesty will it be stricken from the record or ... at least credit be given amanda?
[14:00] Suspiria Finucane: I've always understood favorites get special treatment
[14:00] Torben Trautman: thanks for the meeting :)
[14:00] Lexie Linden: Thanks for coming everyone!
[14:00] Rand Linden: Thanks everyone...
[14:00] Torben Trautman: have a great day everyone
[14:00] Wildcat Furse: My first time ... and it was a great time ^^
[14:00] Amanda Linden: thanks everyone!
[14:00] teddy Zepp: or can we have a viewer which will work with netbook , ipad tablets and phones
[14:00] Ciaran Laval: Cheers guys and girls
[14:00] DogWomble Dollinger: thanks guys :)
[14:00] Caitlin Tobias: thanks for the meeting ;)
[14:00] Qie Niangao: thanks.
[14:00] Torben Trautman waves and poofs
[14:00] Lexie Linden: See you next week
[14:00] Venus Petrov: thanks for the meeting and look forward to next week
[14:00] Draconis Neurocam: thanks all the lindens
[14:00] Amanda Linden: 'til next week.
[14:00] Wilhiam Hydraconis: bye Lindens. thnx for listening
[14:00] Venus Petrov: ã‹¡
[14:00] Wildcat Furse: thanks ^^
[14:00] Raymond Linden: See ya!
[14:00] Peewee Musytari: thanks lexie amanda raymond jeremy :)
[14:00] Caitlin Tobias: bye all!
[14:00] Amanda Linden: rand, you gonna get the transcript?
[14:00] Cummere Mayo: ie if you got two warnings the first week and one the second and got banned what happens?
[14:00] teddy Zepp: thank you Amanda
[14:00] Wilhiam Hydraconis: bye everyone else
[14:01] Deej Kasshiki: Thanks for the meeting guys
[14:01] Wildcat Furse: bye byeeeeee
[14:01] teddy Zepp: thank you everyone
[14:01] Wildcat Furse: O.o *mew* *mew* o.O
[14:01] Wildcat Furse: ☠ °•·.·´¯`·.·•✰ ◕‿◕ ✰•·.·´¯`·.·•☠
[14:01] Venus Petrov: nice to see y'all !
[14:01] Deej Kasshiki: Cya everyone
[14:01] Peewee Musytari: oops and rand :)
[14:01] Rand Linden: jeremy could you get the transcritp since i crashed?
[14:01] Rand Linden: thx
[14:01] Deej Kasshiki: Wil I love your bikes btw, man
[14:01] Wilhiam Hydraconis waves to all.. bye
[14:01] Wilhiam Hydraconis: lol.. thnx Deej ;)
[14:01] Wilhiam Hydraconis: MMLC bikes ;)
[14:01] Deej Kasshiki: They rock
[14:01] DogWomble Dollinger: well if the transcript will be difficult, i can just do a copy and paste from local and stick it in a notecard
[14:02] Wilhiam Hydraconis: they do
[14:02] Wilhiam Hydraconis: drive like a dream
[14:02] Wilhiam Hydraconis: but i do gotta run .. .. take care all
[14:02] Deej Kasshiki: Laterz
[14:02] Qie Niangao swears inaudibly.
[14:02] Opensource Obscure: bye everybody
[14:03] Lisa Fossett jumps and runs...next!
[14:03] Lisa Fossett: bye!
[14:03] Jeremy Linden: Bye everyone! Thanks for coming. The transcript of this user group is up at: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group/31-Mar-2011
[14:03] Qie Niangao: thanks Jeremy
[14:03] bob Iwashi: yu know, i;d like to see full answers, not ruddy half answrs :(
[14:03] Ciaran Laval: Yikes Jeremy that was quick, it usually gets vetted
[14:03] bob Iwashi: cheers jeremey
[14:04] Qie Niangao: I'd like to see less blather about one resident's suspension.
[14:04] Peewee Musytari: good meeting all...nighters :)
[14:04] bob Iwashi: how hard is it to say "yeah we'll give one or two one off meetings to hear our paying customers concerns about those muppets who are 3rd partty support"
[14:04] Ciaran Laval: Are you concierge Bob?
[14:05] bob Iwashi: no, bob standard premium
[14:05] bob Iwashi: bog*
[14:05] bob Iwashi: i pay about 101 bucks permonth to ll including my tier
[14:05] bob Iwashi: which is no chicken feed to me
[14:06] Ciaran Laval: Ah, Concierge has been much improved lately, I hope it's not at the cost of premium support

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