User:Enkidu Linden/Office Hours/2010-09-16

List of Attendees

• Eddi Decosta
• Enkidu Linden
• Identity Euler
• Loane Rhosar
• Lyv Larix
• Savino Dagostino
• Youri Ashton

Transcript

[11:01]	Youri Ashton:	where?
[11:01]	Identity Euler:	many*
[11:01]	Youri Ashton:	hey enk
[11:01]	Youri Ashton:	im back ^_^
[11:02]	Enkidu Linden:	hello there!
[11:02]	Youri Ashton:	couldnt get on SL without ATI driver problems, so had to wait for my new laptop
[11:03]	Enkidu Linden:	oh that sucks!
[11:03]	Youri Ashton:	yu[
[11:03]	Youri Ashton:	yup
[11:03]	Youri Ashton:	couldnt work on the temple i showed you either
[11:04]	Enkidu Linden:	i found a bunch of papers on greco-roman architecture you'd probably like
[11:04]	Enkidu Linden:	but they are, literally, paper
[11:04]	Youri Ashton:	lol, could scan them for me, then i can try to create something here in sl for ya
[11:05]	Enkidu Linden:	hopefully i can find them online instead
[11:05]	Enkidu Linden:	scanning is not my favorite
[11:05]	Youri Ashton:	also good :p
[11:05]	Youri Ashton:	i dont have a scanner myself
[11:06]	Youri Ashton:	no where around a plain scanner without the extra junk attached
[11:06]	Enkidu Linden:	haha
[11:06]	Enkidu Linden:	i could scan it, print a copy, and fax it to you
[11:06]	Enkidu Linden:	one button!
[11:06]	Youri Ashton:	dont have a fax machine either :p
[11:07]	Youri Ashton:	just for my normal phone installed as well yesterday
[11:07]	Youri Ashton:	first normal phone i ever had
[11:07]	Youri Ashton:	(i hate phones)
[11:08]	Youri Ashton:	so, what did i miss past month?
[11:08]	Youri Ashton:	hi savino
[11:08]	Enkidu Linden:	not too much!
[11:09]	Enkidu Linden:	i've been super busy with my current project
[11:09]	Youri Ashton:	whats that? :)
[11:09]	Enkidu Linden:	can't discuss yet
[11:09]	Enkidu Linden:	but soon!
[11:09]	Youri Ashton:	lol, ok
[11:09]	Savino Dagostino:	Hi Enkidu
[11:09]	Youri Ashton:	not gonne try to drag it out of you either :p
[11:09]	Enkidu Linden:	hi savino
[11:10]	Enkidu Linden:	hopefully we'll stop being so secretive
[11:10]	Youri Ashton:	lol, yeah. kinda annoying if you ask me.
[11:11]	Youri Ashton:	if LL wants residents to help out and think along, it really has to open up
[11:11]	Enkidu Linden:	yes, my thoughts exactly
[11:11]	Youri Ashton:	progress is being halted thanks to this secretive ideas
[11:11]	Enkidu Linden:	on that subject, we did start opening up the viewer
[11:12]	Youri Ashton:	like how? what specific things?
[11:12]	Youri Ashton:	hey eddi
[11:12]	Eddi Decosta:	heya ㋡
[11:12]	Enkidu Linden:	welcome!
[11:12]	Youri Ashton:	new avi i see :p
[11:12]	Eddi Decosta:	hi Enki, how are you? ㋡
[11:12]	Enkidu Linden:	i am doing good
[11:12]	Eddi Decosta:	Youri, yep ㋡
[11:12]	Savino Dagostino:	HI eddi.
[11:13]	Eddi Decosta:	hi Savino ㋡
[11:13]	Youri Ashton:	cant see everything, since im on my laptop, darned thing cant take much :(
[11:13]	Youri Ashton:	plus wireless...
[11:13]	Enkidu Linden:	um, that's a good question, youri
[11:13]	Youri Ashton:	question?
[11:13]	Enkidu Linden:	i'm not a viewer dev though
[11:14]	Enkidu Linden:	about specific ways the viewer is more open
[11:14]	Youri Ashton:	:)
[11:14]	Eddi Decosta:	lol Enki, not my part bu i love to play with the xml thing :p
[11:14]	Eddi Decosta:	but*
[11:15]	Enkidu Linden:	hopefully there's a blog post somewhere about the viewer stuff
[11:15]	Savino Dagostino:	enkidu, who is the best Linden to talk to about viewers, and compilation thereof?
[11:15]	Enkidu Linden:	let me see if i can find one
[11:15]	Youri Ashton:	think it might be good that i had a talk with Philip about it, he may get the point it i gave it, could at least try :p
[11:15]	Youri Ashton:	wasnt that merov?
[11:15]	Enkidu Linden:	indeed!
[11:15]	Enkidu Linden:	merov's a great person to ask
[11:15]	Youri Ashton:	wasnt merov mostly in the viewer part?
[11:15]	Savino Dagostino:	Great. What about Andrews?
[11:16]	Youri Ashton:	he is with snowglobe at least
[11:16]	Youri Ashton:	andrew is for server
[11:16]	Eddi Decosta:	Enki, true i have asked him for an integration of dysplay names , in the 1.23 ㋡
[11:16]	Eddi Decosta:	display*
[11:16]	Savino Dagostino:	Ahhh, well, that leaves Andrew out then <chuckles>
[11:16]	Enkidu Linden:	i don't think that will happen
[11:16]	Eddi Decosta:	i do the part of communicate tab_container :p
[11:16]	Enkidu Linden:	i believe we are only doing critical bug fixes in 1.23 now
[11:17]	Youri Ashton:	ask merov, he may be able to direct you to the best answer about the viewers
[11:17]	Eddi Decosta:	i get some headhache to ;p
[11:17]	Youri Ashton:	so... 1.24 will come then?
[11:17]	Youri Ashton:	or 1.23.6?
[11:17]	Savino Dagostino:	I'm looking at x64 bit versions of the viewers...merov is the one to talk to about?
[11:17]	Youri Ashton:	64bit is not good supported yet
[11:18]	Eddi Decosta:	if you see i have some bugs ;p
[11:18]	Youri Ashton:	none of the official viewers has a proper support for it at this time
[11:18]	Savino DagostinoSavino	Dagostino nods Yep, thats one of my questions. There are a lot of SL residents that need it.
[11:18]	Youri Ashton:	however, i understood merov was poking at that issue
[11:18]	Enkidu Linden:	no, we're committed to 2.x moving forward
[11:18]	Savino Dagostino:	I'm actually running Phoenix x64 now, with my own compile/build.
[11:19]	Youri Ashton:	why update 1.23.5 then?
[11:19]	Youri Ashton:	a update would suggest a new version will be released for that
[11:19]	Enkidu Linden:	hmm
[11:19]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[11:19]	Youri Ashton:	got ya dont i :p
[11:20]	Eddi Decosta:	hmmm, honestly y rhin the 1.23 could be killed to give the place at 1.4 or 1,5 snowglobe ;p
[11:20]	Eddi Decosta:	think*
[11:20]	Eddi Decosta:	no?
[11:20]	Enkidu Linden:	well, i'm not a source of truth on viewer issues, but my understanding is we're not planning work around 1.x anymore, just 2.x
[11:20]	Youri Ashton:	snowglobe is a seperate project ;)
[11:20]	Enkidu Linden:	snowglobe is the opensource viewer, which i think also has a 1.x and 2.x version
[11:20]	Youri Ashton:	[11:16] Enkidu Linden: i believe we are only doing critical bug fixes in 1.23 now
[11:21]	Enkidu Linden:	yeah, i think that's the case
[11:21]	Eddi Decosta:	Enki, yeah just on 2.x but its not my tea yet , cause that side bar, i see some interesting thing on snowstrom viewer, but its not my dreams yet :p
[11:21]	Savino Dagostino:	Yep, snowglobe has those 2 forks. And Phoenix is based on snowglobe source.
[11:21]	Youri Ashton:	a critical bug fix, but no new 1.23.... wouldnt that be a dumb thing to do then? waste of time if you ask me :p
[11:22]	Enkidu Linden:	keep an eye on snowstorm
[11:22]	Eddi Decosta:	Savini, the third party viewer have no choice to take the pase on snowglobe source ㋡
[11:22]	Enkidu Linden:	oh i see what you mean
[11:22]	Youri Ashton:	id say fix the bug, and release a new 1.23
[11:22]	Enkidu Linden:	yes, there would be a new point release of 1.23 if we had to patch something critical
[11:22]	Savino Dagostino:	snowstorm?
[11:22]	Youri Ashton:	thats why i said, new version of 1.23? :p[
[11:22]	Youri Ashton:	savino: snowglobe
[11:22]	Savino Dagostino:	Eddi, very true.
[11:23]	Savino Dagostino:	I'm running Phoenix/Snowglobe compiled to Linux x64 now. But voice doesnt work, and would love to have KDU support for better texture support.
[11:24]	Youri Ashton:	voice is only in-direct part of the viewer
[11:24]	Savino Dagostino:	I think only LL can provide vivox and kdu in x64 format.
[11:24]	Youri Ashton:	its a external server
[11:25]	Savino Dagostino:	True, but it uses local client/lib stuff to voip to the servers
[11:25]	Eddi Decosta:	i runs imprudence for my part.. cause the phoenix have some trouble with the silent close, and i dont trust that ...
[11:25]	Eddi Decosta:	when i talk i in meeting i love to stay online and dont lost the focus cause a stupid crash :p
[11:26]	Savino DagostinoSavino	Dagostino nods I havent seen that issue yet in Phoenix. I know that when the Phoenix window looses focus, it slows downa nd gives up CPU cycles
[11:26]	Youri Ashton:	atleast emerald got banned
[11:27]	Youri Ashton:	its nice to see people express their ideas in their viewers, but not if it causes grief to others
[11:27]	Savino DagostinoSavino	Dagostino nods Which is good and bad. Some the devs really did da bad things, but overall it was a good viewer.
[11:28]	Youri Ashton:	it wasnt actually, it was a mess. all kinds of things mixed into a viewer doesnt make it a 'good' viewer
[11:29]	Savino Dagostino:	It was good from the perspective that it was highly popular, pretty stable and had features that most SL residents wanted and liked.
[11:29]	Youri Ashton:	i dont mind the nice features it had
[11:29]	Savino Dagostino:	Under the covers it was a code-mess, but SL residents dont care about that.
[11:30]	Youri Ashton:	i was rather reffering to the extra added junk that never should have been added
[11:30]	Savino Dagostino:	Anyway, I dont mean to distract from the intent of your office hours, enkidu.
[11:30]	Youri Ashton:	the building window for example was holding new prim blocks
[11:30]	Youri Ashton:	prim blocks that were rather useless
[11:30]	Savino Dagostino:	I was just looking to see who to talk to about viewers...looks like merov is the guy.
[11:31]	Youri Ashton:	yeah, i think he is the best to talk to
[11:31]	Savino Dagostino:	And I'm assuming he holds office hours..??
[11:31]	Youri Ashton:	either he can give a answer, or he can give a name of the correct linden
[11:31]	Youri Ashton:	hmm,.... monday's and thursdays i think
[11:32]	Youri Ashton:	no script zone, so cant look it up for you
[11:32]	Enkidu Linden:	..and he's a nice guy!
[11:32]	Youri Ashton:	lol, yup
[11:32]	Youri Ashton:	really should try to get him into a discussion, really can heat up :p
[11:32]	Savino Dagostino:	Great! Thanks...I apprecaite the info!
[11:33]	Enkidu Linden:	anything webby you guys want to discuss today?
[11:34]	Youri Ashton:	not sure actually :p
[11:34]	Youri Ashton:	had a topic?
[11:34]	Enkidu Linden:	nothing specific this week
[11:34]	Youri Ashton:	something not specific then? :p
[11:36]	Youri Ashton:	hi lyv
[11:36]	Lyv Larix:	hi
[11:36]	Enkidu Linden:	hello there
[11:36]	Youri Ashton:	could talk about the temple, you still need your own office here ;)
[11:37]	Enkidu Linden:	there was a recent blog post about integrating pagespeed results into webpagetest.org
[11:37]	Enkidu Linden:	that's pretty cool
[11:39]	Youri Ashton:	website pages must be pretty quick to load
[11:39]	Youri Ashton:	people dont like things that load very slow
[11:39]	Enkidu Linden:	that's so true
[11:40]	Enkidu Linden:	i'm running webpagetest.org on secondlife.com now
[11:40]	Enkidu Linden:	it's going to be great
[11:40]	Youri Ashton:	i been telling that for over a year, but no one really was listening to me at the lab
[11:40]	Youri Ashton:	just because i am 'just a resident'
[11:40]	Enkidu Linden:	there's a web optimization movement going on within the lab
[11:40]	Youri Ashton:	i proven more then once that i do know what im talking about :p
[11:41]	Enkidu Linden:	no, no, we hear you on that point
[11:41]	Youri Ashton:	i didnt say you wernt enk :p
[11:41]	Youri Ashton:	your one of the few that actually do listen
[11:41]	Enkidu Linden:	thanks!
[11:41]	Youri Ashton:	:)
[11:42]	Enkidu Linden:	any particular pages you think are too slow?
[11:42]	Youri Ashton:	hi loane
[11:42]	Youri Ashton:	havnt been testing myself
[11:42]	Youri Ashton:	can take a look next week if you like
[11:42]	Youri Ashton:	wb lyv
[11:43]	Enkidu Linden:	we have about 15 minutes left, so we could spend it picking on a page
[11:43]	Youri Ashton:	ok, lemme get the link up
[11:43]	Loane Rhosar:	Hi all
[11:43]	Enkidu Linden:	i see that our homepage has gotten slower since i looked at it last
[11:44]	Enkidu Linden:	hi loane
[11:44]	Eddi Decosta:	Enki, do you think its possible to do one case for login on the webpage like jira or secondlife.com?
[11:44]	Youri Ashton:	good one eddi
[11:44]	Eddi Decosta:	cause i dont understend the logic on that the viewer 2.x have one case for the entire username and i dont know why the website have 2 case for my username .. :p
[11:45]	Youri Ashton:	for that matter, why not a single login for the official website, jira and sl wiki....
[11:45]	Enkidu Linden:	actually......
[11:45]	Youri Ashton:	can solve the stress in that department
[11:45]	Enkidu Linden:	we are moving toward single sign on with our openid hosts
[11:45]	Eddi Decosta:	you dont have a date ??
[11:46]	Enkidu Linden:	well, a lot of it is already up and running
[11:46]	Enkidu Linden:	for web, that is
[11:46]	Eddi Decosta:	cause i dont know if i need to use eddi.decosta on the future for mylogin ㋡
[11:46]	Youri Ashton:	well, at least there is a start :p
[11:46]	Enkidu Linden:	oh, great question
[11:46]	Youri Ashton:	good to see something asked for is finally added :p
[11:47]	Youri Ashton:	oh! something else...
[11:47]	Enkidu Linden:	well, basically if you see a login form of any sort, if it only has one field for username, you can put eddi.decosta OR Eddi Decosta
[11:47]	Enkidu Linden:	if it has two, you definitely need to enter first and last name separate
[11:47]	Youri Ashton:	on the billing pages you can see only a few days back, why not allow everyone to download it in pdf format per month?
[11:48]	Eddi Decosta:	ok, thanks enki ㋡
[11:48]	Youri Ashton:	for all financial traffic
[11:48]	Enkidu Linden:	one more thing: you can't use the display name to login
[11:48]	Youri Ashton:	its rather annoying you can not see what is going on if you get on holiday for example
[11:48]	Eddi Decosta:	oh about display name, if i see an other resident with Eddi Decosta, i have the right to resolve it in my discrestion? lol
[11:48]	Enkidu Linden:	haha like violently??
[11:49]	Eddi Decosta:	Enki, yeah lol
[11:49]	Eddi Decosta:	:p
[11:49]	Eddi Decosta:	like with sarcasme ;p
[11:49]	Enkidu Linden:	i think support will be/is prepared to deal with abuse reports involving display names
[11:50]	Enkidu Linden:	the display names team put a huge amount of time into thinking of all the ways people might be naughty with it
[11:50]	Eddi Decosta:	i hope so , cause i dont want to be banned of agni for nothing cause an other griefers with my name in display :p
[11:50]	Youri Ashton:	oh nice, the griefer using almost the same name as me is removed from search :p
[11:50]	Youri Ashton:	its about time :p
[11:50]	Savino Dagostino:	enkidu, do you workwith the in-world transactions (financial) on the SL website?
[11:50]	Eddi Decosta:	Youri go out of my head lol ;p
[11:50]	Enkidu Linden:	i have in the past, savino
[11:50]	Youri Ashton:	lol eddi
[11:51]	Enkidu Linden:	transaction history & download
[11:51]	Savino Dagostino:	Any plans to make it easier to programmatically download transactions?
[11:51]	Youri Ashton:	transaction history needs to be changed as i said
[11:51]	Youri Ashton:	its pretty good loading time, no problem there
[11:51]	Enkidu Linden:	we did quite a few things to make it easier
[11:51]	Youri Ashton:	but the problem is more in not being able to see more then a few days back
[11:52]	Enkidu Linden:	but it's still not a formal API
[11:52]	Youri Ashton:	i like to see my entire SL life so to say
[11:52]	Enkidu Linden:	i would love to see it become a true restful web service
[11:52]	Youri Ashton:	its a way to keep idiots away as well
[11:52]	Savino DagostinoSavino	Dagostino nods Would be nice to have a good, simple SOA layer sitting on top of it.
[11:52]	Enkidu Linden:	youri, if you mean transaction history, it should be able to go back 30 days
[11:52]	Youri Ashton:	there are scams occasionally abusing the current state
[11:52]	Savino Dagostino:	Ditto, Enkidu.
[11:53]	Youri Ashton:	it refuses for all my avi's enk
[11:53]	Youri Ashton:	needs to be very easy to use, not hidden :p
[11:53]	Savino Dagostino:	I developed a sales/commission system for a business in SL, and getting the transactions consistenly, if challenging.
[11:53]	Savino Dagostino:	is*
[11:53]	Enkidu Linden:	i bet..
[11:54]	Youri Ashton:	hmm... just tried a login on the website
[11:54]	Savino Dagostino:	Is there a LL website/blog that goes into detail how best to use the exisitng technilogy to get the transaction.
[11:54]	Youri Ashton:	was pretty slow
[11:54]	Enkidu Linden:	youri: confirm for me you mean this page? https://secure-web44.secondlife.com/my/account/transactions.php?lang=en-US
[11:54]	Youri Ashton:	loggin in should not take more then 2-3 seconds
[11:55]	Youri Ashton:	new page for me o_0
[11:55]	Enkidu Linden:	if you ask me, logging in shound't take more than a few hundred milliseconds
[11:55]	Youri Ashton:	never seen this page before for some reason
[11:55]	Enkidu Linden:	does that page have what you want?
[11:55]	Enkidu Linden:	savino: Which blogged about it about a year ago
[11:55]	Youri Ashton:	true, but i was adding in the actual things it should be loading as well. 3 seconds max. it took me 10
[11:56]	Enkidu Linden:	but i can give you a few tips
[11:56]	Savino Dagostino:	Any help would be appreciated.
[11:56]	Youri Ashton:	yes enk, something like the page you just gave
[11:56]	Enkidu Linden:	ok cool
[11:56]	Youri Ashton:	but then for all times
[11:56]	Enkidu Linden:	well
[11:56]	Youri Ashton:	not just a few months
[11:57]	Enkidu Linden:	the download URL and the page view URL both take the same set of parameters
[11:57]	Youri Ashton:	for shop owners it can be vital to use
[11:57]	Youri Ashton:	proof that they did pay their employees for example or their land
[11:57]	Enkidu Linden:	also, it's not obvious, but the date parameters can include a time component
[11:57]	Enkidu Linden:	so like
[11:57]	Enkidu Linden:	https://secure-web44.secondlife.com/my/account/transactions.php?date_start=2010-09-16&date_end=2010-09-16&include_zero=yes 〈=en&submit=View++(up+to+500)
[11:58]	Youri Ashton:	or for simple strange things going on, loosing money without knowing why....
[11:58]	Enkidu Linden:	has date_start=2010-09-16
[11:58]	Savino Dagostino:	Date ranges are good. How far back can they go?
[11:58]	Enkidu Linden:	but you could do date_start=2010-09-16%2010:00:03
[11:58]	Youri Ashton:	goes back to 17 august 2010 for me
[11:58]	Enkidu Linden:	should go back a month
[11:58]	Youri Ashton:	my avi was created at start januari 2007
[11:59]	Enkidu Linden:	we can't store it for all time, unfortunately. it's too much data
[11:59]	Enkidu Linden:	but i would like to see it go back 2 months
[11:59]	Youri Ashton:	thats the problem enk, i like to have the option to see what was going on and when
[11:59]	Savino Dagostino:	If I provide a date that is farther back than that, does it default to the oldest it has, or throw an exception?
[11:59]	Enkidu Linden:	the other advice i'd give is to use the xml format for downloads, not excel
[12:00]	Eddi Decosta:	Enki, about the new market place, do you think the inventory of that system could be linked iwht a special tabs in the viewer??
[12:00]	Enkidu Linden:	hmm.. not sure i remember. try it!
[12:00]	Savino Dagostino:	Is using XML faster than excel?
[12:00]	Enkidu Linden:	well, not so much faster as better
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	XLS is a horrible transport format
[12:01]	Savino DagostinoSavino	Dagostino chuckles Oh, I will....just tryihg to avoid too much trial and error programming.
[12:01]	Youri Ashton:	the website used xml based pages (downloadables) but for some reason LL stopped using them
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	plus excel reads xml anyway
[12:01]	Youri Ashton:	xstreet used xml as well
[12:01]	Eddi Decosta:	notepadd++ its better way to work in xml ㋡
[12:01]	Youri Ashton:	also gone
[12:01]	Eddi Decosta:	or read the xml ㋡
[12:01]	Savino DagostinoSavino	Dagostino nods It does, but my process processes it natively, without a need for Excel.
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	XML also has a 65k rows limit per sheet
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	oops!
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	XLS i mean
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	XML has no limit
[12:02]	Youri Ashton:	lol
[12:02]	Eddi Decosta:	Enki, loll sorry :p
[12:02]	Enkidu Linden:	or rather, we impose a limit on it that is absurd, like 2 million rows or something
[12:02]	Savino Dagostino:	Hmmm, 65K of sales, over a 30 day...I wish we had that problem!
[12:02]	Youri Ashton:	could make it create a new file and add the suffix (2) for example
[12:03]	Youri Ashton:	oh nice! Yoz is on and having his OH now :)
[12:03]	Enkidu Linden:	so if you want to do it programmatically, you should download xml periodically, depending on how much business you do
[12:03]	Enkidu Linden:	you should request an overlapping time range with what you already have a weed out duplicates
[12:03]	Savino Dagostino:	Enkidu, I'm a data warehousing consultant in RL...bring me onboard and we'll fix that 30 day window of data issue,,,, <chuckles>
[12:04]	Youri Ashton:	thats the point enk, it should be ready for download on choice, currently its very hard to get that
[12:04]	Enkidu Linden:	very cool!
[12:04]	Youri Ashton:	anyways, thanks for your OH again enk!
[12:04]	Youri Ashton:	was fun as usuall!
[12:04]	Enkidu Linden:	well, it's annoying to get it because you have to deal with logging in
[12:04]	Enkidu Linden:	yes, thanks for coming!
[12:04]	Youri Ashton:	:)
[12:04]	Enkidu Linden:	glad your computer showed up
[12:04]	Eddi Decosta:	thanks to you Enki ㋡
[12:04]	Youri Ashton:	asked for forceport
[12:05]	Savino Dagostino:	Does the blog deal with loggin in/authenticating programmitcally?
[12:05]	Eddi Decosta:	nice too meet you all the time :0
[12:05]	Eddi Decosta:	㋡
[12:05]	Enkidu Linden:	i think the blog also uses openid
[12:05]	Loane Rhosar:	thanks...
[12:05]	Savino DagostinoSavino	Dagostino nods Cool.
[12:05]	Savino Dagostino:	Enkidu, thanks much for your info!
[12:05]	Enkidu Linden:	afaik there's no authentication services per se
[12:06]	Enkidu Linden:	but you can probably simulate it with curl or something pretty easily
[12:06]	Savino Dagostino:	Passing open login info is always an issue for me
[12:06]	Savino DagostinoSavino	Dagostino nods I currently use curl...
[12:06]	Enkidu Linden:	oh cool
[12:06]	Enkidu Linden:	in that case
[12:06]	Enkidu Linden:	i suggest using the options to read and write a cookie jar
[12:07]	Enkidu Linden:	also, i think you want to POST the auth details to openid
[12:07]	Enkidu Linden:	use the -L param
[12:07]	Enkidu Linden:	you should end up somewhere after that
[12:07]	Savino Dagostino:	What does the cookie jar do to help the process?
[12:08]	Savino Dagostino:	Hopefully, not end up on Blue Mars... <chuckles>
[12:08]	Enkidu Linden:	your session tokens will be in there when it's all done
[12:08]	Savino Dagostino:	Nice. I like that.
[12:08]	Enkidu Linden:	so you'll want to use the same cookiejar file when you make another curl to download
[12:09]	Savino Dagostino:	How long are the sessions tokens good for, before they expire?
[12:09]	Enkidu Linden:	i am not sure
[12:09]	Enkidu Linden:	but!
[12:09]	Enkidu Linden:	the cookiejar will show the expiry time
[12:10]	Enkidu Linden:	it's just text in there so you can cat it or vim it or whatever
[12:10]	Savino Dagostino:	Sweet. That way I dont have to worry about catching a thrown exception around an expired token
[12:10]	Enkidu Linden:	probably not
[12:11]	Enkidu Linden:	good luck!
[12:11]	Enkidu Linden:	i'm going to get lunch
[12:11]	Enkidu Linden:	feel free to drop by next week if you have problems setting that up
[12:11]	Savino Dagostino:	Thanks, again, enkidu. Enjoy lunch!
[12:11]	Savino Dagostino:	WIll do. I just found out about your office hours a few hours ago.
[12:11]	Enkidu Linden:	have a great week, guys!
[12:11]	Enkidu Linden:	thanks for coming!
[12:12]	Enkidu Linden:	see you
[12:12]	Savino Dagostino:	Later.
[12:12]	Savino Dagostino:	Take care, eddi

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