User:Enkidu Linden/Office Hours/2010-10-21

List of Attendees

• Enkidu Linden
• Melchizedek Blauvelt
• Morgaine Dinova

Transcript

[11:22]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	heya Enkidy
[11:22]	Morgaine Dinova:	hey Enki!
[11:22]	Enkidu Linden:	hi there!
[11:22]	Morgaine Dinova:	Heard you had no audience. That just won't do!
[11:23]	Enkidu Linden:	how are you both?
[11:23]	Morgaine Dinova:	Fine thanks, yourself?
[11:23]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	Abit slow at the moment, as you can see :)
[11:23]	Enkidu Linden:	i'm doing well
[11:24]	Morgaine Dinova:	How's the LL websphere doing? Anything rivetting to report?
[11:24]	Enkidu Linden:	nothing too exciting this week!
[11:25]	Morgaine Dinova:	Aw http://www . No web aspect to the meshes work?
[11:25]	Enkidu Linden:	switching to my new team this week
[11:25]	Enkidu Linden:	nah
[11:25]	Morgaine Dinova:	Oh!
[11:25]	Enkidu Linden:	that'd be cool though
[11:25]	Morgaine Dinova:	Which team is that?
[11:25]	Enkidu Linden:	that would be the authentication team
[11:25]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	o cool
[11:25]	Enkidu Linden:	i've got so much reading to do
[11:26]	Morgaine Dinova:	Oh dear, you'll be getting an earful from display name hysterics :-)
[11:26]	Enkidu Linden:	it's going to be sweet
[11:27]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	it'll be ok Morg, 2 months of withering the storm and everybody will have forgotten why they made such a fuss
[11:27]	Morgaine Dinova:	I agree completely. What a mountain out of a molehill, lol]
[11:27]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	o?
[11:28]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	Is there anything other than being able to have my RL name or the obvious joke-name Enkidu?
[11:28]	Enkidu Linden:	haha
[11:28]	Enkidu Linden:	this is no joke!
[11:29]	Enkidu Linden:	although it would be pretty funny if everyone at my OH had my name
[11:29]	Morgaine Dinova:	John Smith certainly thinks it's no joke. All 50 million of them :-)
[11:29]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	feels like he's missing something...
[11:29]	Enkidu Linden:	how do you like mesh?
[11:30]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	I'm not so sure anymore...
[11:30]	Morgaine Dinova:	Not tried it, largely because trying it would require using V2
[11:30]	Enkidu Linden:	i haven't tried it yet either
[11:30]	Enkidu Linden:	let me download the new version
[11:30]	Enkidu Linden:	i don't think there's any mesh to be had nearby, though
[11:31]	Enkidu Linden:	oh, it's on aditi
[11:31]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	with it containing a havok 7 license, and only 20% of residents using v 2.0, it kind of makes it difficult to make meshes (since noone else can see them)
[11:31]	Enkidu Linden:	nevermind
[11:31]	Morgaine Dinova:	If you're switching viewers, I'll switch to one I just compiled. brb
[11:31]	Enkidu Linden:	i'll do it later
[11:31]	Enkidu Linden:	belay my last!
[11:31]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	I really hope it'll get people to use viewer 2 a bit more...
[11:32]	Enkidu Linden:	i think it'll catch on
[11:32]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	(though I'm not too fond of it either)
[11:32]	Enkidu Linden:	the sl mesh videos i've seen look pretty amazing
[11:32]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	yeah
[11:32]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	it's the way to go really
[11:33]	Enkidu Linden:	a lot of builders have been waiting a long, long time to use industry standard tools, too
[11:33]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	looking forward to learning all sorts of new things in Blender
[11:33]	Enkidu Linden:	yep
[11:34]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	hopefully it'll bring a few professionals in too
[11:34]	Enkidu Linden:	i might relearn maya
[11:34]	Enkidu Linden:	and start selling jellybots
[11:34]	Morgaine Dinova:	hehe
[11:34]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	Is CAD meshes? Like the tool architects use?
[11:35]	Enkidu Linden:	i think it can output in that format
[11:35]	Enkidu Linden:	i forget the name of the format now
[11:35]	Enkidu Linden:	i recall it sounding festive
[11:36]	Morgaine Dinova:	I'll never be an artist, but I do intend to get to grips with Blender as a result of meshes coming. This new 2.5 Blender release is supposed more intuitive too.
[11:37]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	O the first search for cad mesh collada is an article about SL, sweet
[11:37]	Enkidu Linden:	collada!
[11:37]	Enkidu Linden:	that's right
[11:37]	Morgaine Dinova:	lol
[11:37]	Enkidu Linden:	piña collada
[11:37]	Morgaine Dinova:	Wondered what you meant by festive :P
[11:37]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	hahaha
[11:37]	Enkidu Linden:	it reminds me of getting caught in the rain
[11:38]	Morgaine Dinova:	Damn, hope that song doesn't stick. Someone else say something
[11:38]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	no way
[11:39]	Enkidu Linden:	if you like!
[11:39]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	have a song to replace it with, though http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=related&hl=uk&v=4WFLOzdwkNg
[11:39]	Enkidu Linden:	i'm happy having it replace the kid's song stuck in my head at the moment
[11:39]	Morgaine Dinova:	/m listens
[11:40]	Morgaine Dinova:	Oh, that's quite cool
[11:40]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	What is it that you do exactly at LL Enkidu?
[11:41]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	From the prims here I gather it's everything web related that runs in the background of the viewer, yes?
[11:41]	Enkidu Linden:	drift aimlessly in the sea of linden, collecting and eating bits of...
[11:41]	Enkidu Linden:	wait no
[11:41]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	hahaha
[11:41]	Morgaine Dinova:	The posters are Which Linden's only here for history :-)
[11:42]	Enkidu Linden:	yes
[11:42]	Morgaine Dinova:	Actually that sounds accurate Enki, keep going :P
[11:42]	Enkidu Linden:	haha
[11:42]	Enkidu Linden:	i are what i ate
[11:42]	Morgaine Dinova:	As we all are
[11:42]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	"the cleaner"
[11:43]	Morgaine Dinova:	And going deeper, as Joni Mitchell said, "We are stardust" (and astronomers)
[11:43]	Enkidu Linden:	i work on web stuff, pretty broadly, but usually front-end
[11:43]	Enkidu Linden:	i haven't eaten any astronomers. who told you that
[11:44]	Morgaine Dinova:	Think I read it in a FAQ
[11:44]	Enkidu Linden:	most of my work has been on secondlife.com
[11:44]	Enkidu Linden:	i also worked extensively on the viewer's online help system
[11:44]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	Oh, like the new marketplace interface?
[11:45]	Enkidu Linden:	like that, but not that
[11:45]	Morgaine Dinova:	I have a question for you Enki, slightly related to your area. Why does reading Jira require logging in?
[11:45]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	(slowly getting there)
[11:45]	Enkidu Linden:	i have no idea!
[11:46]	Morgaine Dinova:	Oh well, haha
[11:46]	Enkidu Linden:	that might just be a byproduct of the openid integration and jira4 upgrade
[11:46]	Morgaine Dinova:	In your new team, you might come across this issue
[11:46]	Morgaine Dinova:	It's damn annoying anyway, and unnecessary
[11:47]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	It would be cool indeed if logging into SL meant logging into every other service too
[11:47]	Enkidu Linden:	maybe we just want to know you're around
[11:47]	Morgaine Dinova:	Bah
[11:48]	Enkidu Linden:	it's better than catch, tag, and release
[11:48]	Morgaine Dinova:	Leave the control freakiness to Apple ;-)
[11:49]	Enkidu Linden:	what's the problem? it's just a camera, gps, and antennae glued to your skin. it'll fall off in two years
[11:49]	Morgaine DinovaMorgaine	Dinova has just thought of another question
[11:49]	Morgaine Dinova:	Oh that's cool then!"
[11:50]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	:)
[11:50]	Enkidu Linden:	i don't see yoz around; he would know
[11:50]	Enkidu Linden:	shoot!
[11:51]	Morgaine Dinova:	Caps. They're delivered mostly by HTTP, and hence webservers. This doesn't put caps handling in your (previous) bailiwick, does it? Because they're not really "web content".
[11:51]	Morgaine Dinova:	Pointless question though, since you're heading to auth team. :-(
[11:52]	Enkidu Linden:	well, actually, it likely will be relevant
[11:53]	Enkidu Linden:	cap grants authorization
[11:53]	Morgaine Dinova:	Caps sort of "carry auth" with them, so yes, it is somewhat related.
[11:53]	Morgaine Dinova:	Yeah
[11:53]	Enkidu Linden:	i know authorization will be something we focus on but we'll probably not start there
[11:54]	Enkidu Linden:	my undersanding, though, is that most of the endpoint behind the caps the viewer uses are served by sims
[11:55]	Morgaine Dinova:	I've never really had any interest in the tech of authentication nor authorization, other than in PKI. In VWRAP, it's mostly preoccupying Zha and Hurli, I let them get on with it :-)
[11:55]	Enkidu Linden:	there are some that aren't, like the activation urls for new agents
[11:55]	Morgaine Dinova:	yeah
[11:56]	Enkidu Linden:	our caps are more like opaque url mappings anyway
[11:57]	Enkidu Linden:	auth is pretty new to me too, so i'm excited to dive in
[11:57]	Enkidu Linden:	i'm also glad it's related to a subject that continually comes up in my OH
[11:57]	Morgaine Dinova:	"As a user" ..... I want you to use my existing authentication, namely my Google Account.
[11:58]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	hahaha "as a user I really want to avoid google as much as I can"
[11:58]	Enkidu Linden:	ahh, my first auth user stories
[11:59]	Morgaine Dinova:	OK, I'll be more general. "As a user, I wish to be able to authenticate SL login using my choice of OpenID provider." :-)
[12:01]	Enkidu Linden:	i think that sounds wonderful
[12:02]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	speaking of which, is there an openID provider that's safe and secure for grumpy old European me?
[12:02]	Morgaine Dinova:	Metanomics is on now, with Maria Korolov, Hypergrid Business today. I don't have more web-related topics, will shoot off unless you two have some.
[12:02]	Enkidu Linden:	no, pretty much out of time here too
[12:02]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	I'm about to head there as well Morg
[12:03]	Enkidu Linden:	i use myopenid.net personally but i don't know if there's a better one
[12:03]	Enkidu Linden:	i've been using them for a pretty long time
[12:03]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	(hey this was really interesting for newb Melchi)
[12:03]	Morgaine Dinova:	Think I'll try them too, "in case Google goes down" :P
[12:03]	Enkidu Linden:	ok, thanks for stopping by!
[12:03]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	thanks Enkidu, I'll see what they are about!
[12:03]	Morgaine Dinova:	Cheers Enki. :-) Will you be continuing your OHs when with your new team?
[12:04]	Melchizedek Blauvelt:	see you next week!
[12:04]	Enkidu Linden:	let me know if you find something better
[12:04]	Enkidu Linden:	have a great week!
[12:04]	Morgaine Dinova:	You too! :-)
[12:04]	Enkidu Linden:	yep, will continue
[12:04]	Morgaine Dinova:	o/
[12:04]	Morgaine Dinova:	I'll mention it in Groupies next week
[12:04]	Morgaine Dinova:	Take care :-)
[12:05]	Morgaine Dinova:	See you there Mel :-)

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