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== 6  AM ==
'''Torley Linden:''' Eeegads!<br>
Evangeline Wind: wolfie were you here before?<br>
Evangeline Wind: ok<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hello everyone!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Wiggity-wiggity-wiggity-waaugh!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: Hiya torley<br>
Vermus Dryke: hi<br>
Evangeline Wind: hi torley :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Oh great, we've got chairs back this week...<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Oops, you're not here. Sorry!<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I went back to get the others here<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hahaha who's not here what?<br>
Evangeline Wind: ok<br>
Lyndsey Forager: he he<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Good to see you all! You're earlier than I am!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Your title. :><br>
skribe Forti: who said that?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I don't see anyone<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Oh... I should change my title.<br>
Vermus Dryke: who said what?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' That was when I was idling but testing day cycles.<br>
Evangeline Wind: were down below wolfie<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: You're confusing the hell outta us!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: It's TOO EARLY FOR THIS! :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hahaha!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Oh Psyra BTW thanx to you and Flea for the dinos, they are lovely, I need to watermelonize one with the textures she did soon.<br>
Rails Bailey: will somebody shoot the server<br>
DJ Jenns: tell me i didnt just land in the middle of the tabl;e lol<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: =D<br>
Daedalus Young: ohh, hi Torley<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' How's the servers not performing to expectations right now? :O<br>
Lyndsey Forager: Torly, your sign had me all confused, lol, I read 2pm, and forgot to add 8 hours, As its 2pm in the uk i thought this meeting was xld<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Oh d'oh sorry for any confusion Lyndsey...<br>
Lyndsey Forager: he he<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I should've indicated time zone...<br>
Lyndsey Forager: my own stupidity<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' you're right about that.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: If you'd like a copy of the skin texture to play around with. ;)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I should replace the sign.<br>
Evangeline Wind: i sent tps then lm dropped into peoples inv to get them here torley and they didnt recieve them<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Sure Psyra! :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Aw, Evangeline, hmmm... so inventory transfers are failing?<br>
Lyndsey Forager: Cool hat torly, are you off to a wedding?<br>
Evangeline Wind: yes<br>
Angsty Rossini: Hi Eva<br>
Vermus Dryke: are they? I got the landmark but no tp offer<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Hmmm, I've not had any problems. And my new machine hauls arse. :D<br>
Gumby Roffo: mm a smaller AV might work<br>
Evangeline Wind: i sent tps<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I'll be on the lookout for those issues...<br>
Evangeline Wind: hi ang<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' People said they never saw the TP requests when you asked?<br>
skribe Forti: transfers failing? it must be friday<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' My hat is kinda like Driving Miss Daisy... it was made by Tesla Miles.<br>
Evangeline Wind: yes<br>
Daedalus Young: I had some issues yesterday with landmarks' Show On Map not working<br>
Gumby Roffo: the TPs didnt get through Eva<br>
Lyndsey Forager: very swirley<br>
Vermus Dryke: that's odd<br>
Evangeline Wind: they never got the tps torley<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: There was a small moment last night where things were acting up.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Daedalus, there's that bug where SLURLs are failing to recognize coordinates properly, I think I saw you comment on it in the Issue Tracker?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I didn't see tp requests, and I didn't get messages from here<br>
Gumby Roffo: and Ims are borked<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: But it only lasted a few minutes..... at least for me.<br>
Vermus Dryke: I just got a tp to go here when I'm already here<br>
Daedalus Young: yes, I think it's related<br>
Evangeline Wind: maybe theyre vert lagged<br>
Vermus Dryke: from someone already here<br>
Daedalus Young: already searching the region and then Show On Map works<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Whenever there may be asset problems, I try to send a postcard -- if "Your Email" doesn't autopopulate, that tends (but isn't necessarily) to be an indicator of more problems.<br>
Gumby Roffo: last 2 hours here<br>
Evangeline Wind: and also i havent gotten Ims in world but have been getting them in my email from 2 hours ago<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I read typing, I see no people<br>
Gumby Roffo: welcome rails<br>
Evangeline Wind: and people are showing as online when theyre not and vice versa<br>
Vermus Dryke: we're invisibubble wolfie<br>
Wolfie Rankin: so it seems<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Evangeline, unreliable Friends list is an older problem...<br>
skribe Forti: the rapture is upon us<br>
Evangeline Wind: ok<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' the confusing thing of course is when all these problems are found in a jumble.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Some are related, some are not.<br>
Evangeline Wind: ok<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Friends List problems has been around since.... 1.9? 1.8?<br>
Daedalus Young: unreliable Friends, be careful who yu're friends with :P<br>
Evangeline Wind: lol<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Fairweather friends.<br>
skribe Forti: lol<br>
Gumby Roffo: LOl<br>
Angsty Rossini: Gumby, there's a spot in the couche here :)<br>
Gumby Roffo: G'DAY MATE !!<br>
Wolfie Rankin: too late, she chose me<br>
skribe Forti: G'DAY MATE !!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yeah, the internal discussions on the work we've done (and the work we're going to do) to Friends is... extensive, to say the least.<br>
Evangeline Wind: how can we get more groups?<br>
Evangeline Wind: im full<br>
Wolfie Rankin: oh good, can I have bigger boobs?<br>
Lyndsey Forager: Torley, I have a question I bet everyone is wanting an answer to, Is it a good curly hair day or a bad curley hair day? lol<br>
Angsty Rossini: you wish! :)<br>
Gumby Roffo: I'll get a bit smaller<br>
Lyndsey Forager: you can get boobs as attatchments<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Part of the problem is that we have to strike it out on our own... we don't know of another service that's really had massive group chats between thousands of people within that same group at the same time. Some IRC channels come close, but they don't have all the added 3D... there's a lot of architectural stuff for sure.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I try to keep my hair straight, but overnight, it curls out of frustration.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: yeah I know<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Good curly hair day, Lyndsey, haha!<br>
Vermus Dryke: or you can put on that backpack again<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Cawwww... o.o<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Haha "Caw" reminds me of Jack Handey...<br>
Gumby Roffo: sory wrong colour<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' "The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw."<br>
Angsty Rossini: Hi Gumby - welcome to the foot fetish chair :)<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Evangeline Wind: how did you get the little hearts on your tag torley? i like those<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Nice new machine, no more crashes, gone from being forced to play SL in lowest graphic settings at 3fps to being able to play at full gfx settings with 512 draw distance at about 20fps at the lowest.<br>
Gumby Roffo: alt<br>
Gumby Roffo: codes<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Oh good question Evangeline, I actually copied-and-pasted them from a website.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' But yeah you can use those codes too.<br>
Evangeline Wind: ty :-)<br>
Gumby Roffo: part of the Ascii code<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ahhh Psyra! What's in your new machine? That's so exciting!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: Torley, I have been doing a spot of building and I made a garden (DJ Jenns helped too), I can drop you a LM if you would like to see<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Athlon 64 X2 Dual<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Oh sure Lyndsey, please do!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Pair of 5600+'s<br>
Lyndsey Forager: Thanks<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Kewl. :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I love having draw distance set so high too...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' it's grand!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: i was so chuffed with it, i've never made anything that big before<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' :D<br>
Wolfie Rankin: everyone is still invisible, how strange<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I like being able to see far enough to know what's around. Everything changes then. it's like "Oh, I never knew this was here, only 300m away!"<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hmmm really Wolfie? That is odd.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: awww, i can see really well<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' You're moving your camera around and we are still invisible?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: no name tags either<br>
Wolfie Rankin: yes<br>
Laetizia Coronet: Wolfie you are on the roof, come down a floor<br>
Evangeline Wind: wolfie it might be because youre on the roof?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Haha!<br>
Wolfie Rankin: HAHAHAHAHHA<br>
Ceeq Laborde: hahah<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' OMG good observation guys!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' @_@<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Did you try the Switching Group trick? Sometimes if you switch active groups it refreshes people.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I'm on the roof<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I haven't had to do that switching group trick inages, nor have I seen invisible avatars like that -- the invis. avs I've seen lately have been because of occlusion culling bugs.<br>
Laetizia Coronet: is that a bug, being on the roof? Is there a JIRA for that?<br>
Lyndsey Forager: hows the new computer working out torley - is it still mighty smooth?<br>
Gumby Roffo: did you get that Wolfie<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I was on the damn roof :)<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: ohh, the Torley Ceiling Bug has been around for..... sheesh, since '03?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: :D<br>
skribe Forti: lmao<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Lyndsey: Overall yes, but you can never have too much performance... :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' "Torley Ceiling Bug"!???<br>
Daedalus Young: you've got some food on your fur, Wolfie :P<br>
Lyndsey Forager: thats so true<br>
Laetizia Coronet: yeah I saw you there when I came in just now<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hahaha.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Some bugs have very funny names.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Okay, sliiiiight exaggerations.<br>
Gumby Roffo: wolfie Im behind you<br>
Laetizia Coronet: TOR-001 in the Jira ;)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Internally @ LL there are bugs we call "the looks like ass bug", among others...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Haha that's a good one Laetizia.<br>
Vermus Dryke: oh no he isn't<br>
Vermus Dryke: oh yes he is<br>
Wolfie Rankin: Hi Gum<br>
Gumby Roffo: LOL<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' One of the craziest descriptions we have is the "avatar folds in half, head up ass" bug.<br>
Gumby Roffo: LOL<br>
Laetizia Coronet: oh yeah I know that one<br>
Evangeline Wind: wow mine has done that and ive seen it happen too<br>
Ceeq Laborde: it's very accurate that description!<br>
Evangeline Wind: i even took pics of it<br>
Angsty Rossini: that's a script thingy I touched at The Shelter<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I miss my voice. My new machine may be nice but it absolutely despises the slvoice.exe process... I have to keep voice off so my machine doesn't crash over and over. :(<br>
Angsty Rossini: :(<br>
Laetizia Coronet: you need to add a blood-and-guts texture to avatar insides ;)<br>
Gumby Roffo: Vista?<br>
DJ Jenns: Who needs windlight when you can do that Torley :p<br>
Lyndsey Forager: awww, i would be so lost without voice<br>
Daedalus Young: before the downtime btw, I had some troubles jumping too<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ack I wonder why, Psyra?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' @_@<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Psyra, are you using onboard sound with a mic on that, or USB headset?<br>
Gumby Roffo: Voice is the best teaching tool I have found yet<br>
Evangeline Wind: ewww wolfie and i have seen that lae, something that makes your av explode into brains and blood and bones flying and landing all over the place<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: The former.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: yes<br>
Laetizia Coronet: never seen that Eva<br>
Evangeline Wind: its gross<br>
Vermus Dryke: why does it have two brains inside though?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: But i can't even set my sound input and such. I think it may be a bum soundcard<br>
Wolfie Rankin: no, it's delicious<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hmm... :\<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' What motherboard?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: and you can roll in it once it's gone off<br>
Laetizia Coronet: Psyra or a faulty connector - plug or port<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ooop, phone. Don't be work, don't be work, don't be work.... *afk*<br>
Laetizia Coronet: or cable even<br>
Wolfie Rankin: my appologies to anyone eating<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Computers are amazing when they work...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' There's so much going on in the machine...<br>
Rails Bailey: lol<br>
Wolfie Rankin: hamsters<br>
Lyndsey Forager: and a totally nightmare when they dont work<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Did I just see an eyeball roll around!?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I have at least four in mine<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Laetizia Coronet sings "Welcome To The Machine"<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yeah Lyndsey, so many parts that gotta work together.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: yes, i saw it too<br>
Gumby Roffo: lots of dust, till last week<br>
Wolfie Rankin: how many hamsters work at LL?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: ... about half of them<br>
Daedalus Young: well, 4 for each server... so<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Laetizia Coronet: ah I tired playing the guitar over Voice and it actually works - I am just a lousy player, and the mike doesn't allow me to realy sing :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Haha "keep the hamsters fed"...<br>
Lyndsey Forager: but do they all do the hampster dance?<br>
Gumby Roffo: and is that Hampster a Sim rep at meetings<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I wonder if anyone has literally thought that a Gridmonkey is really a monkey. :O<br>
Daedalus Young: they dance when the grid is offline<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Randal Kline: like a screensaver?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I saw the funniest version of the hamster dance on YouTube --- starring those Hamtaros!<br>
skribe Forti: I have wondered on occasion<br>
Laetizia Coronet: Lyndssey they upgraded to badgersbadgersbadgers<br>
Lyndsey Forager: hamster dance is so funny<br>
Lyndsey Forager: ha ha<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' The guy who did BadgerBadger also did variations like a Transformers trailer with the badgers...<br>
DJ Jenns: SNAKE!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: mushroom mushroom<br>
Randal Kline: but hamsters only "work" at night<br>
Laetizia Coronet: lol<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
DJ Jenns: Weebl :-)<br>
Wolfie Rankin: have you seen the new Helium Weeble movie?<br>
skribe Forti: Related to a grid monkey is a code monkey: http://trashtalk.illclan.com/video/trashTalk07CodemonkeyVideo.mov<br>
skribe Forti: warning...tis big<br>
DJ Jenns: the lads behind that also run a wicked site called b3ta.com - newsletter every friday with boredom-busting links :D<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I had the giggles for minutes last year when I first saw badgers<br>
Laetizia Coronet: as if I was 15 again<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I used to visit b3ta a lot.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I also like the Magical Trevor series a lot.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: I only got shown happy tree frinds last week, just about cried laughing<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I'd laugh so hard if someone made an av of Magical Trevor...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Happy Tree Friends has the zaniest theme song... !<br>
DJ Jenns: hahah<br>
DJ Jenns: I have that on DVD<br>
DJ Jenns: brilliant show<br>
Laetizia Coronet: afk coffee<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' My brother likes whenever the marine goes nuts...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' and starts to have flashbacks...<br>
DJ Jenns: Nuttin but the tooth :D<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' One of my fave episodes is the one with the ants in the anthill and the anteater.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
DJ Jenns: hahaha<br>
DJ Jenns: yeah<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' (Gosh, how depressing that must be to have your name defined by what you eat.)<br>
Laetizia Coronet: what like Pork Neva? ooops that's Prok<br>
Randal Kline: Torley: any news on the "Formal SL Groups" on the voice wiki?<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol, i suppose, especially if you only ate neeps<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' X_X<br>
skribe Forti: lol<br>
DJ Jenns: little wife ant starts rubbing lemon juice into his newly wounded tongue<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hahaha "Ate neeps"!? What are neeps?<br>
DJ Jenns: omg<br>
Lyndsey Forager: neeps are slang for turnips<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' DJ: Haha I'm having flashbacks of that right now!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ill Clan, I've not heard that name since they used to do the Larry Lumberjack vids. :D<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I've never eaten a turnip, someday I hope to.<br>
DJ Jenns: Torley neeps is a scottish word for turnip :-)<br>
DJ Jenns: its a local dish - neeps and tatties<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Neeps also works in Newfoundland, I know. :D<br>
DJ Jenns: turnip and potatoes<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I saw that Ill Clan video on Second Life, I helped a bit with it.<br>
Laetizia Coronet: Turnips - hmmmm I am getting Baldrick flashbacks here<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Intriguing.<br>
Gumby Roffo: good in stew<br>
DJ Jenns: usually served with oatcakes<br>
Lyndsey Forager: it is also a way of describing someone as a bit daft - they are a neep<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I had a children's book about the biggest turnip you could get on a wheelbarrow.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Haha, I like "daft". That's a great word.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I want a penis shaped turnip<br>
skribe Forti: cool<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' May I ask WHY!???<br>
Randal Kline: @@<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Wolfie Rankin: [baldrik - turnip]<br>
Laetizia Coronet: daft is very Brtish Eglish, love it<br>
Lyndsey Forager: ah<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' (Haha I love the random and spontaneous self-expressions here!)<br>
skribe Forti: Worth more money having a turnip shaped penis, wolfie<br>
Gumby Roffo: theres one on the web Wolfie<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I'll take 'turnips shaped like the Virgin mary' for 400, Alex.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: very good, i loved blackadder<br>
DJ Jenns: let me go get my fisher-price GM food kit<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' "Daft" always makes me think of Daft Punk.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: he he<br>
DJ Jenns: penis shaped turnip you say?...<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I like the word "bollocks" cause it puffs up your cheeks when you say it<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Which end do you start eating without feeling dirty? ;)<br>
Gumby Roffo: LOL<br>
DJ Jenns: lolol<br>
Daedalus Young: well better than a turnip shaped penis<br>
Lyndsey Forager: i like it when angry kid says "bollocks"<br>
Rails Bailey: u turning pommie wolfie<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I like watching some of these YouTube videos with English comedians...<br>
Vivienne Graves: Better than a turnip-shaped penis, I suppose<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' it's great exposure around the world, for sure.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: have you watched angry kid<br>
Wolfie Rankin: no, but I use the word sometimes, it's very handy<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Which angry kid? I'm not familiar with that.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I know of the Angry Video Game Nerd, but he's not English, haha.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: let me find a link, its by aardman animations<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I've seen angry kid, it's by Aardman<br>
Wolfie Rankin: youtube<br>
Laetizia Coronet: sounds like another Tourettes Guy<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Anyways... I think it's more than a sound card thing. slvoice.exe physically corrupts my machine. it hangs, causes all processes behind SL to hang, and can only be cured by a hard powerdown. :(<br>
skribe Forti: angry kid is cool<br>
Lyndsey Forager: http://www.atomfilms.com/films/angry_kid.jsp<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ugh, I hope that gets better Psyra, that is frustrating.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: it is stop start animation using a live actor wearing a mask - its so funny<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I also abhor when *just about everything* in a computer works, except for one thing.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' *makes a note of that link*<br>
Gumby Roffo: you might be right there<br>
Laetizia Coronet: Psyra did you file a bug about that?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: And my voice works fine in things like Hamachi and MSN....<br>
Randal Kline: Psyra: may i know what mb u are using?<br>
Gumby Roffo: I ahve had a few lockups since voice<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: M2N-E SLI<br>
Daedalus Young: yes, me too<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Asus.<br>
Randal Kline: thats a good board<br>
Daedalus Young: and apparently more mem leaks<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Posted in the tech forums already.<br>
Laetizia Coronet had no probems yet, other than her male voice ;)<br>
Wolfie Rankin: Hi Skribe, just found ya ;)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I don't think a male voice is a problem! =)<br>
Daedalus Young: I'm thinking of downgrading maybe, you can find the older version at https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Downloads<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hehehe.<br>
skribe Forti: damn...now I have to hide again<br>
Laetizia Coronet: lol no yu woudn't<br>
Wolfie Rankin: not when you're male<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I've also had momentary freezes... where Second Life suddenly fails to respond for 10-20 seconds.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Soft Linden has been investigating that, it *seems* it might predate the Voice client, so may not be because of voice.<br>
Gumby Roffo: yep getting that as well<br>
Evangeline Wind: i have too and a lot have told me they do too torley<br>
Daedalus Young: that I had too, with the spinning beachball of death, sometimes results in crash<br>
Angsty Rossini: I'm just waiting for everyone else to iron out the bugs with voice before I even cosider it...<br>
Lyndsey Forager: i get that too, but usually then my display driver stopps working<br>
Gumby Roffo: thought it might be time to upgrade the MB<br>
Wolfie Rankin: yeah me too<br>
DJ Jenns: lol<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Putting together a computer takes some sort of balance...<br>
Gumby Roffo: but if its common I will wait<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' all the parts that need to work well together.<br>
DJ Jenns: yeah torley<br>
DJ Jenns: yeah torley<br>
DJ Jenns: bank balance<br>
Gumby Roffo: yes I built this one<br>
DJ Jenns: lol<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I'm just on text right now... :) Hehe but I wonder about voice office hours in the future...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I like power on a budget!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: you have to try a voice one, it would be so cool<br>
Vivienne Graves: I kind of think that's not a great idea, really<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I've had flawless performance from everything else I've run on this thing. Memory, video card, etc, all checks out as fully functional. it's *only* when the extra slvoice.exe task is running that things turn to poop. :(<br>
Vivienne Graves: compared to text voice is an inefficient channel of communication<br>
Randal Kline: anyone gone thru Help->About Second Life (1.18.2)? scroll towards the end of the second frame, you will find this "Mr. Watson -- come here -- I want to see you."<br>
DJ Jenns: I disagree<br>
Angsty Rossini: Hi Dustin :)<br>
DJ Jenns: I find text very easy to misunderstand<br>
Wolfie Rankin: Hi Dustin<br>
Laetizia Coronet: in meetings, voice will turn things to utter chaos<br>
DJ Jenns: to get the wrong end of the stick etc<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' What I've found has worked well at some Linden meetings is voice and text at the same time, text is referred to as "side-channeling"... but that's provided everyone present can participate in both.<br>
Angsty Rossini: I find text hard to type :)<br>
Evangeline Wind: hi dustin<br>
Rails Bailey: but it makes u think,<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Heyhey!<br>
Gumby Roffo: in meetings yes<br>
Laetizia Coronet: and some non-native speakers are harder to get when they speak than when they write<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Randal, yes, we like to include easter eggs like that. ;)<br>
Lyndsey Forager: you get an idea of so much emotion from voice, and the intination, and you dont get spelling mistooks<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Laetizia: That is a very good point too.<br>
Gumby Roffo: for one on one teaching its the ducks guts<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I know some Residents who have amazing written English but not comfortable with orally speaking.<br>
Ceeq Laborde: Torley does that mean there are many more easter eggs in the client?<br>
Randal Kline: will be looking out for those easter eggs<br>
skribe Forti: we've done lots of business meetings using voice...works a treat<br>
Vivienne Graves: Except when you DON'T get an idea of emotion from voice<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ceeq: There are some more, of varying kinds...<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I had an Italian ion HI yesterday, I beggeed him to type lol<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Some of them are practical, like Client menu features.<br>
Daedalus Young: I'm looking forward to mind control chat<br>
Vivienne Graves: People with Asperger's Syndrome for instance take what's said as what's meant<br>
Vivienne Graves: Without reading in any subtext<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I liked the humour that was in the TPs a while ago, bring those back<br>
Angsty Rossini: Sorry, gotta go, class is starting<br>
Vermus Dryke: Not all people with asperger's<br>
Lyndsey Forager: have fun<br>
Rails Bailey: bye ang<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I second that Wolfie<br>
Daedalus Young: bye<br>
skribe Forti: ciao<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yes, people with Asperger's generally tend to be literal (but of course, always exceptions).<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I'm one of those not terribly comfy, I'm a serious 'anxiety disorder' type RL. :D<br>
Ceeq Laborde: hehe that was the april 1st Wolfie i believe<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Wolfie, ah you remember those!<br>
Laetizia Coronet: afk more coffee <----total junkie<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yes, that was our April Fool's joke this year...<br>
DJ Jenns: darn<br>
Lyndsey Forager: hows iwoot going ceeq<br>
DJ Jenns: Ceeq!<br>
Daedalus Young: I somehow completely missed that<br>
DJ Jenns: didnt see ya there<br>
DJ Jenns: lol<br>
Ceeq Laborde: hey DJ, Lyndsey! :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Good to have you all here with me...<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ceeq gave me a fun tour of IWOOT awhile back.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: he he<br>
Laetizia Coronet: the good part is that I don't need soundbyte downloads anymore - I can just speak them :D<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hey Psyra out of curiosity what framerate are you getting here right now (and you're @ 512 m draw distance?)?<br>
Gumby Roffo: true and there goes this one<br>
Gumby Roffo: G'DAY MATE !!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Laetizia, I can only imagine what that will do for stand-up comedy!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Depends on which direction I look.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Psyra, so, if you're looking where you are right now...<br>
Laetizia Coronet: yeah Tor :)<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: 15.6fps right now, looking straight SW.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: I am getting 9.3 fps with a draw distance of 320 - just so ya know<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I just finished my gameshow a coupe of hours ago, reckon voice would have been chaos :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Towards the north... ah K.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Thanks too Lyndsey!<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I think I am on less than one fps<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Wolfie Rankin: though we could give it a shot one night<br>
Daedalus Young: I'm on 192 m draw distance and getting 4.7 fps<br>
DJ Jenns: 6.9fps with DD of 320 and what appears to be 400 windows of firefox lol<br>
Evangeline Wind: how do you tell what fps you get?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: This time last week I'd be at 64 draw distance, most everything turned down, and getting 1.7fps.<br>
skribe Forti: between 4 and 5 fps for me<br>
DJ Jenns: ctrl - shift and 1<br>
Evangeline Wind: ty<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' That is a significant improvement.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yeah, that shortcut is for the Statistics Bar.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Only reason I walled myself away from the world so long is because my skybox was a prison. :D<br>
Neo Rebus: morning<br>
Evangeline Wind: 45<br>
Daedalus Young: if I turn character rendering off I'm getting about 16 fps :P<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' We should have updated documentation on that. HOWEVER, it isn't very user-friendly, Benjamin Linden and I feel there should be easier-to-read diagnostics.<br>
Evangeline Wind: does that sound right?<br>
Lyndsey Forager: now i have fabby new bits for my puter, my sl experiance is SO much better<br>
Laetizia Coronet: oooooh 0.4 fps on a dd of 64<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Things can vary greatly depending on your computer...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' but generally I feel anything less than 10 FPS for me is not useful.<br>
Evangeline Wind: but my draw distance is 160<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I am particularly attuned to smoothness.<br>
Laetizia Coronet: but this place is graphics heavy<br>
Lyndsey Forager: smoooooth<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: The engine isn't exactly state of the art either... at least in the rendering side. :D<br>
Neo Rebus: i'm only getting 3.0 fps right now, but i've got all my settings maxed out and a draw distance of 512<br>
Daedalus Young: I'm seeing no difference setting the draw distance at 16 (using the debug menu)<br>
Gumby Roffo: ah just had one of those " pause moments"<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I tried to economize on textures but there is some complex geometry here.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Gumby, I've had several so far during this session.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: That sculptie paint looked like fun torley - thanks for sharing about it<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: All things considered, one normally expects an engine that's generally considered four years old to run like silk on modern computers. ;D<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Steve Linden actually had a meeting yesterday to talk about optimizing viewer performance and stability.<br>
Vivienne Graves: 8 fps with a draw of 160, everything at max, 8xAA/16xAF<br>
Gumby Roffo: I was reading to much<br>
Neo Rebus: AA/AF?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I love having antialiasing cranked up. :)<br>
Vivienne Graves: Antialiased/anisotropic<br>
DJ Jenns: Antialiasing and anisotropic filtering<br>
Lyndsey Forager: what is antialising?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' If you haev a higher-end graphics card, before loading Second Life, go to Control Panel and then set it in the drivers. :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' *have<br>
DJ Jenns: antialiasing smoothes out the edges<br>
Vivienne Graves: smooths the edges,...removes jaggedness<br>
Lyndsey Forager: ah okies<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Long story short, antialiasing renders scenes at higher resolutions then downsamples (reduces) their size to what you see on the screen, so things look smoother.<br>
Vivienne Graves: useful for taking pics in SL<br>
Daedalus Young: though having no aa helps when editing pics<br>
Neo Rebus: okay, at a draw distance of 160 i'm getting about 6 fps<br>
DJ Jenns: your on 4xAA just now lyndsey ;)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' It's extremely useful for — what Vivienne said!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol, thanks<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Viewer Roadmap on the wiki, including optimization projects... http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_Roadmap<br>
Laetizia Coronet: weith all options down except for the rendering sliders I am on 0.5 fps now<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ouch. :(<br>
Laetizia Coronet: really I am hanging on by a thread<br>
Neo Rebus: i've got everything set at "application-controlled" in the control panel<br>
DJ Jenns: its a strange situation<br>
DJ Jenns: because the faster our viewers get<br>
Lyndsey Forager: just a bit, but i know how it feels leat, i was like that not that long ago<br>
Laetizia Coronet: but still it is stable, not crashing, and fully functional<br>
DJ Jenns: the more impatient we become<br>
Lyndsey Forager: so so true<br>
Daedalus Young: I don't even have that option in my Mac system prefs<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: So heey, now you can post snaps to 'Zilla and Flickr at the same time! :D<br>
Lyndsey Forager: my old laptop didnt even display the pie menu properly, just had the writing<br>
Laetizia Coronet: yeah I am on a laptop but I refuse to call it old :)<br>
DJ Jenns: Ithat was cause you didnt update the drivers you neep :p<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' =D<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Laetizia Coronet: maybe when I move to Italy we'll get a good system<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I have long used comma-separated addresses when sending postcards.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: im no a neep, you daftie<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' DJ: What you describe is a paradox of time!<br>
Laetizia Coronet: my love writes systems for banks so she knows more about it than me<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Eeeep. Still tons of 'VOICE EATS CPU Usage=LOSS OF NORMAL GAME FUNCTIONS' threads.... yargh. I never had a SLIVER of slowdown from it, except because slvoice.exe was a background process, but that's a *given* :P<br>
DJ Jenns: thats one use for dual core<br>
Ceeq Laborde: Torley, I need to check pjira if it's there but I just noticed that if you resize your client in certain ways, you get chat text wrapping making it very difficult to read<br>
Lyndsey Forager: i thought voice ran as a seperate function to the main client?<br>
Daedalus Young: well, leaving SL run for about 2 days, I can tell you the memory has leaked onto the carpet here<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: it's a whole seperate program. When I check task manager I notice there's an slvoice.exe<br>
DJ Jenns: pfftt<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ceeq, that sounds familiar.<br>
DJ Jenns: naughty memory!<br>
Laetizia Coronet: oh dear, need some tissues for that?<br>
Daedalus Young cleans the carpet<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: And it unloads when you turn off voice.<br>
DJ Jenns: hope you rubbed their nose in it<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Daedalus Young: I can't remember, DJ<br>
Lyndsey Forager: quick clip round the lug hole<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ceeq, I wonder if it's if you change between windowed and full screen mode, it sounds like a much older bug.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: if I sytart preening your hair, don't mind it, I'm just a stickler for cleanliness.<br>
Neo Rebus: oh yeah, SL leaks memory like a sieve. It doesn't take very much time before my SL is trying to use up 2-3gb of my 1gb memory<br>
Ceeq Laborde: yes that's it Torley, okay it's new to me ;)<br>
Laetizia Coronet: what is faster - windowed or full screen?<br>
Vivienne Graves: I'm using Nicholaz Beresford's viewer...memory leaks less of a problem thanks to various patches, it seems...(and a return of the pre-voice communicatio9n interface for the voice client, too)<br>
Daedalus Young: why doesn't LL hire Nicholaz? :P<br>
Ceeq Laborde: glad you're aware!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: yeah, and vista loves eating ram too, and with sl, it wasnt a ram banquet every day<br>
Neo Rebus: i'm staying away from vista until i absolutely have to move :P<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Nicholaz viewer refuses to run on this new machine. :( Gets as far as 'Initializing world' and then just drops to desktop. :(<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Gumby Roffo: Same<br>
Laetizia Coronet: same here Neo<br>
Laetizia Coronet: soeone said it's the new ME<br>
Lyndsey Forager: i had to, when my crappy lappy died<br>
Daedalus Young: I'd like SL on an iPhone<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: but it sure worked on my old machine well.<br>
Laetizia Coronet: lol<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I find these "thin clients" very exciting.<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I want SL on a Commodore 64<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Daedalus, do you have an iPhone?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Haha I once did a joke about that Laetizia.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol, leat<br>
Neo Rebus: hey torley, i gotta quick question for ya - is there anyone i can talk to about getting some landmarks created on governor linden's land that doesn't allow landmark creation?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I wonder if you saw it?<br>
Daedalus Young: no, don't have<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I should try that textweb client. :D<br>
Laetizia Coronet: no Torley<br>
Gumby Roffo: besides, if SL works on XP, and I spend my time in SL why do I need Vista!<br>
Daedalus Young: don't even know if it's out here in Europe :P<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I have wondered what sl would look like in 8-bit<br>
Vivienne Graves: I'm not planning on moving to Vista either...I'll just install XP Pro and Linux on the next machine I build<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Neo: Our Land Team does that, but I can do that in a pinch... just send me SLURLs to the parcels and I'll enable landmark creation on them.<br>
Neo Rebus: okay, thanks.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' And yes, it is pointless to disable landmark creation on parcels, because we have SLURLs now.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' You're welcome Neo -- just send the LMs to me or email me a list (torley@lindenlab.com).<br>
Neo Rebus: i'll email you prolly tonight. thanks!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' =)<br>
Lyndsey Forager: but, to give it its dues, vista is nice eye candy, it just takes a lot of getting use to, and dont expect all your old programmes to work<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I have used Vista a bit.<br>
Jonit Ivory: running here on Vista now<br>
Neo Rebus: and i'll give you a copy of the calendar i'm making :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Our QA testing labs are having more Vista machines.<br>
Jonit Ivory: a lot more stable<br>
Vivienne Graves: If you can't create LMs...just crea SLURLs and paste in a notecard<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Cool, thanks Neo!<br>
Gumby Roffo: I do have one odd question, Whos running the SL roads dept?<br>
Vivienne Graves: next best thing<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' :)<br>
skribe Forti: I think we need to break the speed of light so I can get a decent ping =/<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Commodore 64 Second Life -- http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=70285332%40N00&q=commodore&m=text<br>
Evangeline Wind: im on vista too<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol gumby<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' skribe: What are your ping times right now?<br>
skribe Forti: 475<br>
Randal Kline: vista WITH ATI here<br>
Lyndsey Forager: ao off<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yeah that is way too high skribe. :(<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: They can take my XP from me when they pry it from my well-cooked wing.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Some things beg for the laws of physics to be transcended!<br>
Wolfie Rankin: torley doesn't have any photos matching "commodore"<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Haha Psyra.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hmmm Wolfie, I wonder why that happens...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Wolfie, that may be because of Flickr safesearch settings...<br>
skribe Forti: it's because of the distance and an small entity named telstra ala bigpond<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' A direct link, then — http://www.flickr.com/photos/torley/257143468/<br>
Laetizia Coronet: flickr search sux big time<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' skribe: *nods*<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I have worse packet loss than I wish I did...<br>
Neo Rebus: hmm, bug in the debug window. when you click on the top display item of a panel, it changes how it's displayed; if you click through all of them to get back to the start, it closes the panel.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Commodore got bought up by a group that were once active in Alienware, and now they're making gaming computers under the Commodore/Amiga name. :D<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Neo: Hmmm which debug window? Client menu > Debug Settings?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I had two amigas, they were nice machines<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I had an Amiga 500. Ah the memories.<br>
skribe Forti: ah...amigaOS...how I miss your guru meditation<br>
Neo Rebus: ctrl-alt-shift-1<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' (BRB getting drink of water.)<br>
Gumby Roffo: TRS80<br>
Neo Rebus: er, srory, ctrl-shift-1<br>
Wolfie Rankin: yes A500 and A1200 for me<br>
Lyndsey Forager: I loved my amiga a500+ - i cant find it, its around somewhere, i found the box it came in and all my olf floppies<br>
Gumby Roffo: and batch basic before that<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: http://www.commodoregaming.com/ .... A true blast from the past. :D<br>
Wolfie Rankin: is it the box with john laws on it?<br>
skribe Forti: I still have all my amigas<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I wonder how many cassette tapes it takes to load SL on a C64<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Yeah, 500+ here. :D<br>
Neo Rebus: i'm still a pre-mac apple fan.<br>
Ceeq Laborde: excuse me ladies and gentlemen, got to run off to work, lovely chat, thanks Torley and everyone!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I got my start on Deluxe Paint II. :D<br>
Randal Kline: getting the tapes might be a bigger prob<br>
Daedalus Young: bye Ceeq<br>
Gumby Roffo: 160 draw and 6.9FPS ( 4 year old PC)<br>
Neo Rebus: i learned programming on the apple II.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Same. Apple IIe was the big thing in the day.<br>
Neo Rebus: bah, apple IIe is newfangled. :)<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Until the mighty IIgs<br>
Neo Rebus: i'm talking original 16k apple2 that we expanded to 48k which was more than anyone would EVER need. :)<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I learned computers on a Tulip... they're long gone<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ahhhhh. I was working on DECmates before that. :D<br>
Neo Rebus: tulip?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Dumb terminals for the win. :D<br>
Randal Kline: Annelin: nice av. what u doing up there?<br>
Laetizia Coronet: Dutch computers<br>
Wolfie Rankin: first machine I had was an Amstrad CPC 6128<br>
Daedalus Young: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_Computers<br>
Wolfie Rankin: Sorcery+ best game ever :)<br>
DJ Jenns: 464 :D<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I had one of the 126 Intellivision Aquariuses in existance. :D<br>
DJ Jenns: and<br>
DJ Jenns: whoever had the 6128 must remember<br>
DJ Jenns: ...<br>
DJ Jenns: Oh Mummy<br>
DJ Jenns: :-)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Pardon about that, I'm back!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' *scrolls up*<br>
Lyndsey Forager: i can even remember the noise the disk drive on my amiga a500+ made when loading games, i can still make the same noises as lemmings loading<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I had the 6128<br>
Gumby Roffo: LOL<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I've heard "rumors" that some enthusiasts are trying to revive Q-Link's Habitat...<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: The one gaming world failure that surpasses the Atari jaguar, Virtual Boy, and Genesis 32X. :D<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' that'd be very intriguing, because it's kind of like Second Life's grandpapa.<br>
Jonit Ivory: Well I'm here for one reason.... alpha prims<br>
Jonit Ivory: they annoy me<br>
Wolfie Rankin: there was a disc that you inserted and it would make your drive play tunes... and of course it wrecked your drive<br>
Jonit Ivory: Torley is that bug still open?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ever played Little Computer People? :D<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Jonit: More details please?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yes, I played Little Computer People. A lot... that was sort of a precursor to The Sims too.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I once went to a website that made music come out of the pcs motherboard speaker, and that freaked me out, never saw it again<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Yes. :D<br>
Jonit Ivory: the visibility of other prims behind non alpha parts of prims with alpha textures<br>
Lyndsey Forager: is that a cyber man av ?<br>
Neo Rebus: the alpha rendering order bug?<br>
Vermus Dryke: it is<br>
Lyndsey Forager: very cool<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hahah Wolfie! I know some really older games just did that, no questions asked.<br>
Jonit Ivory: quite possibly called that yes<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I played stargliderII on Amiga [same company made Starfox]<br>
Jonit Ivory: a lot of prefabs are using them now, it looks messy<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I rmember programs on the C64 that make your HD spin at speeds that produced 'Daisy, Daisy' music. It sounded like it was butchering your drive, but it was harmonious.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: those did wreck your drive<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I miss that old gurgling sound of the cassettes and the old phone uplik modems :)<br>
Vivienne Graves: brb...coffee<br>
Neo Rebus: yeah, i was looking for cool trains to take snapshots of, and found one that i couldn't take a picture of because of the alpha rendering bug.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: sorta like how that decathlon wrecked joysticks<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Oh Jonit, that reminds me -- it's http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-27<br>
skribe Forti: wolfie: did your A500 have a harddrive? =)<br>
Jonit Ivory: ty<br>
Neo Rebus: VWR-505<br>
Lyndsey Forager: my amiga a500+ only had ram, no hd at all<br>
Wolfie Rankin: no, the a1200 did, and I expanded the ram to about 12meg<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I rememebr when my Amiga got submurged in a basement flood. So I cobbled together a 3k client with a Commodore +4 in basic and used that to access the internet for about 2 months while I hunted for a new machine. :D<br>
Jonit Ivory: that's the one yes<br>
skribe Forti: mine had a 20M hdd...came as a side attachment =)<br>
Laetizia Coronet: wow Psyra<br>
Neo Rebus: Torley, you may want to link VWR-505 to VWR-27, same bug report<br>
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DJ Jenns: :D so many amiga fans here<br>
Lyndsey Forager: amiga rawks<br>
Neo Rebus: never mind, already linked<br>
Neo Rebus shuts up now<br>
Gumby Roffo: Affirmative!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I asked Runitai Linden (one of our graphics guru devs) about Z-fighting... he emphasized it's not a problem particular to Second Life, but found a lot here because many people don't know how to optimize their content, and more education would help Residents feel better about it; and better tools too. I suggested a "snap edges of prims to each other" to prevent unsightly overlap!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
DJ Jenns: bet ya didnt know theres an x86 clone of amigaos :p<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I had the 1680 side HD attachment with 20 megs too, and the 1681 side CDrom one as well, but the passthrough didn't work, so I could only plug in one at a time. :P<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Neo, I see that's linked.<br>
Jonit Ivory: well it has Major priority assigned, I can but hope<br>
DJ Jenns: http://aros.sourceforge.net/<br>
Neo Rebus: wait, he's saying it's the resident's fault for building improperly when the client renders objects in front of objects that they're actually behind?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I think it may be more complicated than it seems to fix (which is why it hasn't been fixed yet).<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Upgraded the bejeezes out of that 500, I was too attached to it to upgrade to a 1200.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Neo: Oh, I'm referring to Z-fighting, which is found in conjunction with but isn't the same as alpha sorting.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-fighting<br>
Neo Rebus: oh, okay<br>
Jonit Ivory: it does seem ubiquitous, and it does rather spoil some buildings and objects<br>
Neo Rebus: yeah, texture-flashing stuff is easy to fix<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I have a habit for using transparent textures...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' so I'm interested in seeing that ordering fixed too.<br>
Laetizia Coronet: me too<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: The term 'Z-Fighting' still will always refer to bad Americanized anime featuring spiky-haired people that spend half a series preparing for some battle, and then the other half of the series actually fighting it.<br>
Neo Rebus: you have to use transparent textures, there's no way to do decent builds without 'em<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Haha Psyra.<br>
Jonit Ivory: they allow for much greater flexibility<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I have some trucks on SL Voluntieer Island that I'd love to see work with alphas inside and outside the cab<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yeah, there are so many things you can do with transparencies, all the fancy layering and subtleties.<br>
Daedalus Young: if LL gets that fixed, they can patent it and make millions of of it<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Laetizia: That reminds me of the Move section.<br>
DJ Jenns: wish me luck all<br>
Laetizia Coronet: Move?<br>
Daedalus Young: good luck DJ<br>
DJ Jenns: im about to try SL on this ..."laptop"<br>
DJ Jenns: lol<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Mystic Airships are wonderful for that, but they suffer due to Z-fighting. :(<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' On the Orientation Island, Laetizia.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: good luck (crosses finger)<br>
DJ Jenns: Im sure theres a wind up handle on the side lolol<br>
Laetizia Coronet: ah right<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Take care and good luck!<br>
DJ Jenns: i shall hopefully brb !<br>
DJ Jenns: to infinity<br>
Vermus Dryke: Was wondering, Torley if you received the notecard I sent you on Wednesday about the general gist of my problem?<br>
DJ Jenns: and the sim!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: and beyond?<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I don't really like the new OIs but I'll take that to Blue instead<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Vermus, sorry, I don't read notecards (as mentioned in my profile) — I prefer email for correspondence as I get so much of it!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' But you can feel free to describe if you'd like.<br>
Laetizia Coronet: hey Tor you are wearing my jacket! :D<br>
Vermus Dryke: Suffice to say; I've got a bug<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I didn't even notice lol<br>
Vermus Dryke: I've spoken to my ISP about it; they can find nothingwrong their end<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Notecards are a pain for me because I can't do a global search across them and there's no better way to correlate that text (after having used Gmail with labels for awhile, the lack of such features becomes so clear to me).<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Laetizia I sure am, thanks for your jacket. :)<br>
Vermus Dryke: The bandwidth fluctuayes then goes to 0<br>
Lyndsey Forager: hello again Jenns<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Vermus: Is it a bug affecting just you, or other Residents noticeably too? (Because that can help get info sorted out.)<br>
DJ Jenns: hooo<br>
DJ Jenns: sexy!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: wb<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Lyndsey Forager: how bad is it?<br>
Gumby Roffo: mines doing that now verms<br>
Laetizia Coronet: my pleasure Torley<br>
Vermus Dryke: So far only me,<br>
Gumby Roffo: Perth must be on line<br>
DJ Jenns: 1.8 fps<br>
Lyndsey Forager: nice<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I have my maximum bandwidth set to 1500 and I notice it often doesn't max out and textures download pretty slow.<br>
Gumby Roffo: and its business hour for the banks<br>
Lyndsey Forager: no voice?<br>
Vermus Dryke: I looked up something close to it; abou part of SL logs me out but the rest keeps me in<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I have voice - was that you?<br>
Jonit Ivory: ah well, I've had my gripe, I'm off, take care all<br>
Vermus Dryke: the interractive part departs<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Adioos. :><br>
Daedalus Young: bye<br>
Vermus Dryke: Leaving me in SL but unavle to do anything bar rotate<br>
Vermus Dryke: unable*<br>
Lyndsey Forager: see ya jonit<br>
Jonit Ivory: and Torley.... that is an extraordinary hat :-)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' That sounds pretty frustrating. :\<br>
Vermus Dryke: This then affects my wireless broadband<br>
Gumby Roffo: later JOnit<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Take care!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Thanks Jonit, it's by Tesla Miles...<br>
Jonit Ivory: ty<br>
rox Rowlands: hi<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' part of her line of funky, cute, girl hats made of sculpties.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Oop<br>
Vermus Dryke: Telling me I'm unable to connect to a server despite the fact a second later I can<br>
Vivienne Graves: She has a freebie sculpted fedora in her shop, too<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Vermus: What I'd suggest is creating a new issue at http://jira.secondlife.com with all the details you know of, and look for others having the same problem. If it's a bigger network routing issue, we can contact various folks and work with them. Have you also done a traceroute?<br>
Lyndsey Forager: its really very you torly<br>
Vermus Dryke: I thought it was excessive lag<br>
Gumby Roffo: sweet<br>
Daedalus Young: I think I've seen a similar issue on jira<br>
Vermus Dryke: not yet<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I'd love to know what sort of deal LL has with Time Warner Interactive. Clearly something, as it appears all sims seem to be hosted through them, according to my Peerguardian. :D<br>
skribe Forti: woohoo! my fps has gone up to 4.5<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hmmm Psyra, I wonder if that's because of intermediary AOL servers... or something like that.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: http://www.dirtflake.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/snakes_on_a_plane.png<br>
Gumby Roffo: LOL looks like I loaned you some<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' But TWI doesn't host our servers directly.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Heh. :><br>
skribe Forti: I earned these I did!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hahaha what a funny picture, that snakes on a plane!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: When I move sims, I notice that TWI stays the samy, just the port changes.<br>
Neo Rebus: I've got lots of network-related problems, but they're at my stupid ISP (I hate AT&T broadband) which resets about every other connection I try to make.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ports from about 13000 through 18000<br>
skribe Forti: clever<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I have a number of problems I can chalk up to my ISP.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: perhaps it's a gateway.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' The other day I was suffering from grievous packet loss, it was totally heinous.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Snapback is the builder's worst enemy. :(<br>
Vermus Dryke: Which priority would you suggest I enter the issue in, Torley?<br>
Neo Rebus: torley, do you think i'd get anywhere with submitting a jira request (not a bug) asking for the client to be more resilient to failed connection attempts? i get really tired of losing script or notecard edits and not being able to upload snapshots because the client's connection gets reset :(<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Vermus: For now I'd suggest "Major" but if many people are having this then we can escalate it (and that's often an important step with issue, to determine how many people are affected like you, and it helps you feel less alone too).<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Neo: There is already a related meta-issue for that I believe...<br>
Vermus Dryke: ok, thanks<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' or a direct one, sec...<br>
Gumby Roffo: Ok seems friends is over again<br>
Vivienne Graves: How about a JIRA request to allow logout and relog without the need to quit and start a new client session? THat would be a useful feature<br>
Gumby Roffo: nup its back<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Vivienne: Surprisingly that is much harder than it seems.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol, quiet<br>
Randal Kline: is Quiet Snapshots to Disk working for anyone at the moment? not working correctly here<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hmmm...<br>
Daedalus Young: it's working for me<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: That's the control-tilde one?<br>
Lyndsey Forager: me too, no problem here<br>
Vivienne Graves: It only works if you use the shortcut instead of 'take snapshot'<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Seems okie to me. c.c<br>
Laetizia Coronet: Randal I set that once in the old client (not a debug) and it's still working<br>
Daedalus Young: interestingly, I saw someone else comment one Torley's blog with the same issue<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I had an idea once for visitors to come into sl<br>
Wolfie Rankin: I think sometimes it's better to show people than describe a thing<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ah -- Provide better feedback when the server connection is lost, https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-702<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: A picture is worth a thousand words?<br>
skribe Forti: sltours.com, wolfie<br>
Wolfie Rankin: no<br>
Lyndsey Forager: and then some<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yes, I often find pictures or video bug reports to be very handy.<br>
Gumby Roffo: Ahhhh I''m at dial up speed<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' =)<br>
skribe Forti: sorry...sltourguides.com<br>
Lyndsey Forager: does sl even work at dial up speed?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: an avatar which has no name, and no inventory and can't do anything but observe<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yeah it really sucks when you're disconnected and you don't notice it until you find you can only turn in circles, not walk, and then you see the mini-map is red.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Yes it does, but things take a loooong time to load.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: it would be very handy for people to visit<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: If you drop your Network Bandwidth slider to minimum? That's juuuuust about 56k modem speed.<br>
Neo Rebus: that's not the issue i'm looking for, i'm just looking to have it try re-attempting a connection to the server when the first attempt fails, when trying to upload a new asset.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' We officially can't recommend Second Life for dial-up but there is a pioneer, Shebang Sunshine, who ages ago, was the first to do it.<br>
Gumby Roffo: I have a 1.5mb link<br>
skribe Forti: why bother when it's just as much work to create an av of their own?<br>
Wolfie Rankin: Kath from our island only just went to broadband<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Neo: Hm — there is a related bug too where you get disconnected if you spend several minutes in the file browser when trying to upload something.<br>
Gumby Roffo: but my computer thinke other wise<br>
Gumby Roffo: thinks<br>
Wolfie Rankin: she's been in sl for a year<br>
Lyndsey Forager: i would be lost without broadband now<br>
Rails Bailey: tried a hammer gum<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Neo, what you describe I don't recall being in the Issue Tracker. I'd search if you haven't already, but feel free to enter that one otherwise. :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I remember the day I got broadband... everything changed.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: ah, remember when the internet was 28.8<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I don't have the fastest broadband, but it's workable.<br>
Wolfie Rankin: broadband in australia sucks though<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Is anyone here running Second Life on less than 1 GB of RAM?<br>
Lyndsey Forager: awwwww<br>
Wolfie Rankin: they charge a lot for very little<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I reemmber when the Internet was 300 baud.... then 1200.... then 2400... then 5600.... then 14.4k... then 28.8k.... then 56k... :D<br>
skribe Forti: yep...what wolfie said<br>
Lyndsey Forager: I have 2gb ram<br>
Rails Bailey: yep<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I remember upgrading from 1200 baud to 14.4k to 56k...<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I was running it on 768 megs for a while.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I remember two competing 56k technologies!<br>
Daedalus Young: Ah, Quiet Snapshots not working is talked about here: http://torley.com/olb-10-debug-options-you-should-know-about/<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' And sometimes when I'd dial in, I'd only get 48,000kbps.<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I run it on a 400mb disk<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I should remember those companies.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Thanks Daedalus, I'll check that too when I reply to my blog comments.<br>
skribe Forti: torley: we call them the 'good ol' days" =)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hahah skribe.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ah, nostalgia.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: he he, i must be getting only<br>
skribe Forti: pre-spam<br>
Daedalus Young: well, nothing new since last comment now<br>
Lyndsey Forager: 28 and feeling my age<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Wolfie Rankin: computers have a long long way to go, they're still far too clunky<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: One started with a U...<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' When a 10 MB (MegaByte, not even GigaByte) hard drive cost US$5,000!<br>
Rails Bailey: pup<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Wolfie: Yeah, it's amazing how far they've come, and how far they've got to go.<br>
Neo Rebus: okay, VWR-2186 entered for network resilience.<br>
skribe Forti: I think my 20M hdd for the A500 cost more than the computer - about $1000<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Thanks Neo.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I remember getting a 512 KB RAM upgrade for my Amiga, to boost it to 1 MB total. X_X<br>
Wolfie Rankin: computers will start getting really good once they don't use fans, wont be larger than a novel, don't need a keyboard and use very little power<br>
Neo Rebus: yeah, I remember the 5MB Corvus hard drive that was as big as the apple II and cost more.<br>
Randal Kline: Daedalus: it works with Ctrl ` but not on the Snapshot tab<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Thanks for the lamp, Lyndsey.<br>
Gumby Roffo: OK<br>
Lyndsey Forager: he he, i made it for my garden<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Randal: Ah yeah that sounds familiar as a bug to me.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: your welcome<br>
Daedalus Young: ah I see Randal<br>
Daedalus Young: I do use the shortcut<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Wolfie: What sort of input devices do you forsee? :)<br>
Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...<br>
Connected<br>
Daedalus Young: and only the Snapshot menu when posting to Snapzilla<br>
Randal Kline: yup<br>
Gumby Roffo: Tor, this has been a good first for me , TY all for the interesting Input. I must Crash :-)<br>
FRAN'Z magik D00HICK3Y!: 2153 bytes free<br>
<3: Usage: Face your target and Say '/hug [person's name]' or '/1hug [person's name]'<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Holy Crashin' Torleys, Batguano!<br>
Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...<br>
Connected<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I apologize, I crashed and missed that!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol, gumby<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I was trying to take a snapshot... and then, crash!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' X_X<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ahh yesh..... the big brands.... Hayes, US Robotics, Symax, Packard Bell, aaaaaand ..... there was one more, can't remember the brand name. :D<br>
Daedalus Young: hmm, well Randal, I just took a Snapshot with Ctrl-` and one through the Snapshot menu<br>
Lyndsey Forager: good to know its not just us mere mortals that crash<br>
Daedalus Young: but I didn't see or hear the whirr-click<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Xoom? no, wasn't that.<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol<br>
Gumby Roffo: Night all , Cheers Tor<br>
Neo Rebus: Psyra - Supra?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I think the whirr-click happens in Snapshot tool when trying to send a postcard?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: That's it;<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Cya!<br>
Randal Kline: Torley: think u went too far off when taking the snapshot<br>
Evangeline Wind: night gum hugs<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' OK... I just tried to send a postcard...<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: ironically, that's the brand I ALWAYS went with, and it was the one I forgot.<br>
skribe Forti: ciao, mate<br>
Neo Rebus: i just bought a supra modem for work :) we still use 'em for sending pages.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ah Supra, another brand I haven't heard in awhile!<br>
Randal Kline: as long as its the Snapshot button, the sound will be heard<br>
Lyndsey Forager: lol, i have been right round the seats now :)<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Invisible peeeeerrch.<br>
Daedalus Young: hm, I'll have to test more<br>
Daedalus Young: is it on jira already?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' That sounds almost like a lolcats thing.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I take it you found the mystery of the full parcel? Ooor just removed something? :D<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yes Psyra, it was a bug... that wasn't counting parcel prims correctly after they were taken.<br>
Neo Rebus: that bug is still around?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Aha. Those meddling kids were no help whatsoever.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Daedalus, I don't know off-hand if it is.<br>
skribe Forti: wow, I just got email from Mr Idris Umar's secretary offering me money because someone died in a russian airbus<br>
Daedalus Young: hm, Google says no<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Neo: It's a different one with similar symptoms... but we haven't found a solid repro yet.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yeah I use Google to search the Issue Tracker too. ;)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' And the wiki... ahhh Google.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' skribe: He lies!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I'd like to have Marissa Mayer in Second Life.<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: I get emails all the time from people emigrating to the US and needing college tuition.... or something like that.<br>
skribe Forti: she<br>
Daedalus Young: yes, it's faster and feels like you have more control over the search words<br>
Laetizia Coronet: I got to run off people, thanks Tor for hosting, bye everyone!<br>
Randal Kline: skribe: dont fall for it<br>
Daedalus Young: bye Laetizia<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' They're prolly faking their gender too. ;)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Bye Laetizia!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Hahahaha.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' :D<br>
Randal Kline: lol<br>
Laetizia Coronet: lol... bye<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' That's great, live soundbites.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' The world sure is in for some fun.<br>
Neo Rebus: btw, torley, love the hair :) (now that the crowds have thinned enough that I can actually find your avie)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Ah how the time flies too — I must be going myself but hope you'll all be well... until the next time!<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' And thanks a lot Neo!<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: "Life is short, never pass up fun"<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I made it shiny too... hehe... :)<br>
Lyndsey Forager: hello, me crashed<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Yes, FUN FUN FUN.<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' Welcome back Lyndsey... I was just going.<br>
Daedalus Young: hi<br>
Evangeline Wind: take care torley and everyone<br>
Daedalus Young: and bye<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Have a g'day. :><br>
Vivienne Graves: 'bye, Torley...<br>
Lyndsey Forager: see ya torley, dont work too hard<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' I won't be having a 2 PM PDT office hour later today because of other work committments but I should resume that next week as usual.<br>
Randal Kline: Psyra: u tried updating your sound's driver?<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: You're not in this afternoon I hear?<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' *nods*<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ah. :><br>
'''Torley Linden:''' G'day all and see ya l8r!<br>
Neo Rebus: thanks for the time, Torley :)<br>
Psyra Extraordinaire: Ah well, I have things I SHOULD be doing anyways. ;D<br>
Lyndsey Forager: see ya<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' You're welcome!<br>
Lyndsey Forager: :)<br>
'''Torley Linden:''' T'cares... *poof*


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