User:Which Linden/Office Hours/2009 Mar 5

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  • [11:05] Saijanai Kuhn: Hey O Potted One
  • [11:05] Which Linden: Hi there mr slouchy
  • [11:05] Saijanai Kuhn: jpw gpes tje wpr;d
  • [11:05] Which Linden: I should probably get couches that have a more upright AO if I'm going to make fun of my guests :-)
  • [11:05] Saijanai Kuhn: er... how goes the world?
  • [11:05] Which Linden: OK!
  • [11:06] Saijanai Kuhn: good.
  • [11:06] Which Linden: What's up with you?
  • [11:06] Saijanai Kuhn: Eh coming off of a flu so my sleeping schedule's messed up. Trying to learn too much stuff and not enough income
  • [11:07] Saijanai Kuhn: but, if I learn iPHone programming properly, thinking of proting pyogp oto objtive c
  • [11:08] Which Linden: oh! cool, well, maybe it'd save some effort to use a python packaging program to make an executable out of pyogp?
  • [11:08] Saijanai Kuhn: not too much. The only libraries available are the ObjC ones, and most of pyogp is just calling socket libraries anyway
  • [11:09] Which Linden: right well and also all the code to parse the messages
  • [11:09] Which Linden: and template
  • [11:09] Saijanai Kuhn: also, I can add it as a plugin to Colloquy
  • [11:09] Which Linden: ha ha that would be hilarious
  • [11:09] Saijanai Kuhn: the irc client which has an iphone version
  • [11:10] Which Linden: my experience, btw, is the objc is pretty hard, so I wouldn't embark upon that project
  • [11:10] Saijanai Kuhn: its the only "real" iphone app I run actually, since you have to have the source code to get it to run on the emulator in teh SDK
  • [11:10] Saijanai Kuhn: eh, I've been meaning to learn it for 10 years or so anyway ;-)
  • [11:12] Object: Hello,: Avatar!
  • [11:12] Saijanai Kuhn: I've learned more OOP and prcedural languages than I want to think about so I'm not afeeared of OBjC
  • [11:12] Saijanai Kuhn: C# bothers me more
  • [11:13] Which Linden: yeah the thing about objc that bothers me is a) that it's compiled and b) that you often have to do tedious stuff because there's no reflection
  • [11:13] Which Linden: like, if you want to make an object serializable you have to make like three functions that each enumerate the type and name of each member
  • [11:14] Saijanai Kuhn: well not sure if 2.0 changes hat in any way. There's a fun little thing called f-script which lets you add a smalltalk interpeter to any ObjC app
  • [11:15] Which Linden: ha ha cool
  • [11:15] Saijanai Kuhn: adds a copy of menus at runtime and lets you inspect and manipulate teh ObjC class hierchy while the app is running
  • [11:16] Saijanai Kuhn: couple* of menus at runtime
  • [11:17] Which Linden: nice
  • [11:17] Saijanai Kuhn: so how is the LLnet transition going
  • [11:17] Which Linden: I am not sure.... I think we're going slower now.... no news is good news?
  • [11:17] Saijanai Kuhn: I guess
  • [11:18] Saijanai Kuhn: better than the monty python credits for version 1.25.xx
  • [11:18] Saijanai Kuhn: we have just rolled back the rollback. We have cancelled that and are doing it again. We just cancelled THAT and are doing it again...
  • [11:19] Which Linden: "LLNet got bit by a moose"?
  • [11:19] Which Linden: Those responsible for cancelling the cancel have been cancelled
  • [11:19] Saijanai Kuhn: the people resospible for rolling bqck the rolling restart have just been sacked
  • [11:19] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah
  • [11:19] Saijanai Kuhn: I think I counted 14 messages like that for 1.25
  • [11:20] Saijanai Kuhn: and then they really DID bring out something else
  • [11:21] Which Linden: So how do you like my nice new fancy media texture?
  • [11:22] Saijanai Kuhn: you mean this grey sign here?
  • [11:22] Which Linden: yeah
  • [11:22] Which Linden: gotta hit play in your media bar to see it
  • [11:22] Saijanai Kuhn: kool
  • [11:23] Saijanai Kuhn: wondering if you should only update at spaces instead of each char
  • [11:24] Saijanai Kuhn: someone did a drawing board like this. Tracks the mouse in SL, and draws the image on the webpage and updates
  • [11:24] Which Linden: I think it's updated at a fixed time interval
  • [11:24] Saijanai Kuhn: ah, OK
  • [11:25] Which Linden: oh cool, yeah, the mouse tracking would be really a key feature
  • [11:25] Which Linden: isn't uv click detection coming in some server update?
  • [11:26] Saijanai Kuhn: too slow and clunky though the feedback is only from the webs9de. Guess you could make a hybrid that draws with temp objects then copies it to the web side
  • [11:26] Saijanai Kuhn: oh its already here
  • [11:27] Saijanai Kuhn: but you have scripts disabled Its 600 buttons on one prim using the new touch tracking
  • [11:27] Saijanai Kuhn: gave you 600 buttons one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc.
  • [11:27] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 83 On Side : 2
  • [11:27] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 73 On Side : 2
  • [11:28] Saijanai Kuhn: will track sculptyies the same way
  • [11:28] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 95 On Side : 2
  • [11:28] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 74 On Side : 2
  • [11:28] Which Linden: ha ha nice
  • [11:28] Saijanai Kuhn: chnce it to a sculpty
  • [11:28] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 36 On Side : 2
  • [11:28] Saijanai Kuhn: change* it
  • [11:29] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 51 On Side : 0
  • [11:29] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 69 On Side : 0
  • [11:29] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 54 On Side : 0
  • [11:29] Which Linden: very nice
  • [11:29] Saijanai Kuhn: definitely many uses for it
  • [11:30] Which Linden: yeah totally, saves us from that old paradigm of one-prim-per-button
  • [11:30] Which Linden: it's like touchscreen technology but for sl
  • [11:30] Saijanai Kuhn: I've seen people use screen textures and make up complete interactive tutorials for the SL interface using it
  • [11:30] Saijanai Kuhn: complete with tbs and functional buttons, etc
  • [11:31] Saijanai Kuhn: tabs*
  • [11:31] Which Linden: and of course you could use it for navigating a web page if necessary
  • [11:31] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah
  • [11:33] 600 buttons: one one prim-full perms/ Creative Commons/GPL/etc: Touched Square : 41 On Side : 0
  • [11:33] Which Linden: well that's good that's finally out!
  • [11:33] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah. Next up will be the http-in calls
  • [11:33] Which Linden: yeah! looking forward to that
  • [11:34] Saijanai Kuhn: I told you I faked a login Agent DOmain on a prim using the http-in calls right?
  • [11:35] Which Linden: that will probably have unintended knock-on side effects for a while until we iron it out
  • [11:35] Which Linden: sai: yeah, AD on a prim
  • [11:35] Which Linden: I remember that
  • [11:35] Which Linden: I also recall someone (Was it you?) who had a bot-on-a-prim?
  • [11:35] Saijanai Kuhn: Day Oh, I think
  • [11:35] Saijanai Kuhn: she was using it to rez map textures inworld for awhile
  • [11:36] Saijanai Kuhn: then you and/or Donovan patched the security hole
  • [11:37] Saijanai Kuhn: Its been a trip watching the Republican party in teh US self-destuct
  • [11:38] Which Linden: it sure has
  • [11:38] Saijanai Kuhn: Rush Limbaugh is now head of hte party
  • [11:38] Which Linden: you know, people predicted that they would melt down, and I kinda didn't believe it; but now, here we are and there hs is
  • [11:38] Saijanai Kuhn: well every 100 years or so I guess parties change their names
  • [11:39] Saijanai Kuhn: first there was the Mason party then the Anti-Mason party
  • [11:39] Which Linden: really? I thinik there were still democrats and republicans 150 years ago
  • [11:39] Saijanai Kuhn: though not sure if masons were an official party
  • [11:40] Saijanai Kuhn: but the anti-masons was the first counter-party abou 1800 I think
  • [11:40] Which Linden: when you combine a mason and an anti-mason do you get a huge explosion of political energy?
  • [11:41] Saijanai Kuhn: the original conspiracy theory, and apparently it was real.
  • [11:41] Saijanai Kuhn: seems like. destroyed the rep of hte masons in teh USA for proably 150 years
  • [11:42] Saijanai Kuhn: you stil have all those illuminatus conspiracy theories floating around 200 years later
  • [11:43] Which Linden: ha ha true
  • [11:43] Which Linden: all those fnords
  • [11:44] Which Linden: hopefully there will be a real opposition party someday
  • [11:44] Saijanai Kuhn: eyah, well, they'll just get taken over is all
  • [11:44] Which Linden: by whom, just some random new folks with ideas?
  • [11:45] Saijanai Kuhn: there's like a 5-10 yera window when a new party is ful of reformers, than all the old guard switches names
  • [11:45] Saijanai Kuhn: was into 3rd party politics back in the day. Intense stuff
  • [11:46] Which Linden: like green party stuff or a historical interest?
  • [11:46] Saijanai Kuhn: natural law party actually
  • [11:46] Saijanai Kuhn: then we merged with the perot faction of hte reform party to fight Pat Buchanan
  • [11:46] Saijanai Kuhn: didn't work
  • [11:46] Which Linden: never heard of natural law party I'm afraid
  • [11:47] Saijanai Kuhn: ran a candidate in 35-45 states in three elections. He never got many votes
  • [11:48] Saijanai Kuhn: but the party dissolved after Bush was semi-elected. Turns out that every political party in Florida could be accused of throwing that election cause they all got more voges than the diff between gore and bush
  • [11:48] Saijanai Kuhn: more votes*
  • [11:48] Which Linden: Meanwhile, in iceland, a nation the size of a city, they have 4 or more political parties
  • [11:49] Saijanai Kuhn: Washington warned against political parties but no-one paid any attention to him
  • [11:51] Which Linden: Well, a lot of the founding fathers said a lot of things that we didn't listen to, and that worked out
  • [11:51] Saijanai Kuhn: or didn't as the case may be ;-)
  • [11:51] Which Linden: It's not like they were infallible oracles
  • [11:51] Saijanai Kuhn: true
  • [11:52] Which Linden: Together they wrote some good stuff but it's hard to say that their individual efforts were quite as long-lived and thoughtful
  • [11:52] Which Linden: Like the Beatles
  • [11:52] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah. Did you hear there's a Beatles reunion next month?
  • [11:52] Saijanai Kuhn: all 2 of them
  • [11:53] Leena Pizzaro: hello
  • [11:53] Saijanai Kuhn: howdy Leena
  • [11:53] Which Linden: Hi leena
  • [11:54] Leena Pizzaro: im fine ty
  • [11:54] Leena Pizzaro: do i disturb you
  • [11:55] Which Linden: Nope we're just chattin'
  • [11:55] Which Linden: I didn't have a technical topic for today
  • [11:56] Saijanai Kuhn: I'm surprised I'm still awake actually
  • [11:56] Saijanai Kuhn:  :-/
  • [11:56] Which Linden: Been a long week
  • [11:56] Which Linden: You should take a nap
  • [11:56] Which Linden: Zen fire zee missiles!
  • [11:56] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah, was going to if you hadbn't showed up but you did
  • [11:57] Saijanai Kuhn: have you seen the chatter on the mmox mailing list? Gotten pretty busy
  • [11:58] Which Linden: I can't keep up with that
  • [11:58] Which Linden: sooo much traffic
  • [11:58] Saijanai Kuhn: yeah. Hoping to have a metanomics type deal to merge the RL meeting with SL, Ope3nSIm and croquet
  • [11:58] proserpina Zackerly: holzz
  • [11:58] Which Linden: is there like a google groups interface I could use? that might make it easier
  • [11:58] Which Linden: hi proserpina
  • [11:58] proserpina Zackerly:  ???
  • [11:58] proserpina Zackerly: holz
  • [11:58] proserpina Zackerly: holz
  • [11:58] Saijanai Kuhn: not a clue Which, sorry
  • [11:59] proserpina Zackerly:  ???
  • [11:59] Saijanai Kuhn: welcome to Second LIfe prosperpina
  • [11:59] Leena Pizzaro: what are you chatting about
  • [12:00] Saijanai Kuhn: ah, which is one of hte engineer/programmers for Second LIfe and he often holds technical talks. Today, we were just chatting though
  • [12:00] Leena Pizzaro: i distube you
  • [12:00] Which Linden: I hang out here from 11-12 on thursdays
  • [12:01] Saijanai Kuhn: its a public meeting, Leena. Anyone is welcome
  • [12:01] Which Linden: Yeah, feel free to come around to the inside of this bamboo
  • [12:01] Saijanai Kuhn: I keep hearing Japanese announcements in the background but can't quite understand them
  • [12:02] Saijanai Kuhn: of course, I might not anyway
  • [12:03] Saijanai Kuhn: gave you New Library, Info International (124, 239, 34).
  • [12:03] Which Linden: I have been wondering about those sounds
  • [12:03] Saijanai Kuhn: that's a landmark to the info island library help desk I give it to all the newbies
  • [12:03] Which Linden: Very nice
  • [12:03] Saijanai Kuhn: it sounds like a Toko subway or airport or soemthing
  • [12:03] Saijanai Kuhn: Tokyo
  • [12:04] Saijanai Kuhn: mgikht be a recording from an anime
  • [12:04] Which Linden: I think the sounds are coming from people testing gestures on OI public
  • [12:04] Leena Pizzaro: whats there at the library
  • [12:04] Saijanai Kuhn: hopefuly a librarian who is able to answer questions
  • [12:04] Leena Pizzaro:  :)
  • [12:04] Saijanai Kuhn: plus bunches of exhibits and museums and so on
  • [12:05] Which Linden: hm maybe the sounds are coming from this black edifice next door
  • [12:05] Leena Pizzaro: why cant i see you which?
  • [12:05] Leena Pizzaro: W
  • [12:05] Saijanai Kuhn: he's the potted plant
  • [12:06] Leena Pizzaro: oh
  • [12:06] Saijanai Kuhn:  ;-)
  • [12:06] Which Linden: I blend in well
  • [12:06] Which Linden: ok well I should go-- nice hanging with you sai
  • [12:06] Which Linden: nice to meet you llena
  • [12:06] Leena Pizzaro: i just saw a talking Linden and he is a potted plant
  • [12:06] Which Linden: *leena
  • [12:06] Saijanai Kuhn: Take care Which. Nice meeting you leena
  • [12:07] Leena Pizzaro: i dissappointed
  • [12:07] Which Linden:  :-)
  • [12:07] Leena Pizzaro:  :)