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Transcript of [[User:Zero_Linden|Zero Linden]]'s office hours:

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| [13:01]  
| colspan="2"|''Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn starts loud applause''
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| [13:02]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Dia Liberation was amazingly flawless
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| [13:02]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello Zero ^^
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| [13:02]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello Zero
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:03]  
| Bridie&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ok to sit in?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:03]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Zha hello to you 2
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:03]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello, oh liberator of messages
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| [13:03]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello hello
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| [13:03]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Have any messages actually flown obver the new tooling yet>
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| [13:03]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello Bridie
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:03]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the power of procedural textures ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:03]  
| Bridie&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello Zero, Kooky, Squirrel
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:04]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hey Bridie
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:04]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So we meet again ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:04]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh - hey there Bridie - welcome, sitting in?
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| [13:04]  
| Bridie&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, if you don't mind!
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| [13:04]  
| Bridie&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:04]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|not at all
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| [13:04]  
| Bridie&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I may get called away, but would love to 'listen'
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| [13:05]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sorry I'm late, got griefed at a class.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:05]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello again Wyn
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:05]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:05]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|S'okay - it's a slow summer day...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:06]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I've found that all over the grid - I hold an event that two months ago would have had 20 people attend, and now I get like six
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| [13:06]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Wasn't the abuse report option on the pie menu?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:06]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|still is
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:06]  
| colspan="2"|''Zha&nbsp;Ewry nods. Lots of folks off on vacatoins, away from school, busy, RL stuff''
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| [13:07]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The office hours I've attended earlier were busy.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:07]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Not for this griefer.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:07]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|its there
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| [13:08]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah - if you are a land manager, and have rights to eject, looks like it got lost!
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| [13:08]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bother!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:08]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh well. german press (and probably others too) brought reports of the big companies "leaving" SL for greener pastures because 40k players online at peak times for them is "not enough"...
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| [13:08]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Roflol..new LL policy, if its your problem, deal with it yourself?
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| [13:08]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So it is suppose to be there and isn't now? It's not just because I'm on the first look voice?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:08]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hehehe
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:08]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|might be ....
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:09]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm on first look (why isn't it named "first hear"?)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:09]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:09]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|haha.. do you want me to tp home and look?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:09]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|because you get to look at the communicate window first? ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:09]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no no - not now
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:09]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|squirrel - your mic. is open and somewhat noisy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:10]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|humm.. I have push to talk set
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:10]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hello everybody
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:10]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|actually for a person I don't have a report abuse button
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| [13:10]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|of course - I should just disable speech - since this isn't a voice based office hours
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| [13:10]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|though - I think I'll schedule one in the future - just as an experiment
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| [13:10]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Robin was talking about that earlier as well.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:11]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I've never actually used voice for more than a few seconds. WOuld be interesting
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:11]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|okay - it is 10 after - let's start
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:11]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So ---- Olé!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:11]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the Message System is Liberated
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| [13:11]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Bravo Encore Encore
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:11]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|btw zero is the transcript from thursday available on wiki?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:11]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Have any liberated bits moved yet?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:12]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Or is it still all on the old message pipes?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:12]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|whoops, I crashed jira.
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| [13:12]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Of course, judging from the internal e-mail I'm getting about it - it may take a month or so before we get in the swing of it and can really avoid most of the requireed viewer updates
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| [13:12]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|something is different. The group IM bug almost went away completely
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:12]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Rex - sorry, I'm behind on transcripts
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| [13:12]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|will try to get them all done soon
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:12]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and there was no Thursday - I was on vacation
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:12]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so obviously it is available...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:13]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Or rather, the kids were on vacation, I was working on as an usher!
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| [13:13]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oh, am i lucky, or what? just when i couldn't make it, there was no office hours:)
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| [13:14]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is everybody using speach?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:14]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nope
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:14]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is there an agenda for today, or is it just a let's pat Zero on the Back Day?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:14]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Not using it to talk, just listen.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:14]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no no - hell with back pats
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| [13:14]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|(but thank you just the same)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:15]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no agenda - so, what's on folks' minds?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:15]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Megaprims.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:15]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i have a problem zero
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:15]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I was VERY impressed. It was completely smooth for me, and the IM bug just disappeared until peak hours and was very rare even thn
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| [13:15]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks, Saj. Go fort it Rex
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:16]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|when i rezz some of my things they are deleted right away, at least when i am at SWT(sandbox-weapons testing)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:16]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hmmm..... as in deleted and returned, or just "poof"?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:16]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|pooof
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:16]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well, there used to be sandbox specific code in the system (which, of course, private sandboxes couldn't use)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:17]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but I thought we took all of that out months ago
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:17]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Last I knew the sandboxes are 5 hour returns.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:17]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oh, and it happened at rausch too
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:17]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I've seen the behavior recently. Eventually things how uup in the trash though
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:17]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|could it be due to packet loss ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:17]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|things show up
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:17]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Otherwise - things should be the same in a sandbox region
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:18]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well, there have been a bunch of changes to mitigate inventory loss
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:18]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|those are things that i scripted and build myself, so i don't really care if they get deleted
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:18]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and some of them do involve being more careful with the protocol, and if things don't look hunky-dory, returning the objects
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:18]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i just want to know way the go "poof" without any messages or warnings or errors
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:18]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|why*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:19]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So it is possible, I believe, if you are in a high lag area, for stuff to start to rez and then fail - disappearing
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| [13:19]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes is true lag
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:19]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|to poof a prim without warning/errors/no trash is llDie();
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:19]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well - when things start to fail, I think we get paranoid about sending more messages... but that is a bit of a hunch - it is more likely that the loss mitigation code is just 1st generation
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:19]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Kooky - it should end up somewhere.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:19]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|when u say protocol, u mean http? none of those scripted objects used http
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| [13:20]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|llDie is a direct kill, it goes into the Ether
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:20]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|by design as far as I know
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:20]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no no - I mean the protocols we use between viewr / sim / dataserver / asset server for rezing an object
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| [13:20]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|though I read Rex wrong when I said that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:20]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|realize that rezing an object is a rather complex dance:
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:20]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|viewer says: "put this inventory item here"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:20]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sim checks that you can put something there
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:20]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sim gets details from inventory DB
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:21]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sim checks all perms
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:21]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oh, i can see it, i gives me a message that is alive than it goes poof
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:21]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sim has to go get asset from asset store
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:21]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it gives*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:21]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sim starts to instantiate the item in world
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:21]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sim may have to remove from inveontory if no-copy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:21]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sim tells viewers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:21]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|etc....
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:22]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Rex - if the script starts executing, enough to say "i'm here" - then we are beyond the code I'm talking about
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:22]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|all of this happens before the scripts get scheduled
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:22]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sounds like a self-destruct is built into it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:23]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so - if after talking to you it disappears
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:23]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is it a temp object mayhaps?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:23]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|there are two options
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:23]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well, several
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:23]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|my self-destruct tells me when it happens. so is not my script that kills it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:23]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Drop it on noscript land and see if it poofs would be a good simple one
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:23]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The "user error" scenarios: it did execute llDie(), or is temp-on-rez, or was set "sandbox" and moved to far, etc...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:24]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is not a temp object
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:24]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And the system ones: It is there, but the viewer lost the update... you're just not seeing it
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:24]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if its yours, drop it on the ground in noscript land then open the script and set it to not running
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:24]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and unless it moves, you won't get an update
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:24]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|take it and edit it whever and follow the code
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:24]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|OR - the system moved it somehow
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:24]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|also if its copyable, you have a version you can rez on demand to see if it still poofers
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:25]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|when the object suddenly vanishes the coordinates 0,0,0 of the sim may be worth checking
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:25]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it is my own code. i went through it just to make sure.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:25]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|First things I'd do is rez it, watch it go poof, teleport to another sim more than two sims away, wait 1 min. then TP back
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:26]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|then see if it is there - if so, then this is a viewer update bug - and could easily be UDP packet loss or mis-ordering
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:27]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|cold somebody have found a way to mimic an object and make the sim delete it?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:27]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|could*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:28]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|not likely - the permission checks are on the sim, so they'd have to figure out a way to get your session key, by packet sniffing your stream
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:28]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so, someone on your local network, perhaps....
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:28]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|another common "reason" for objects going "poof"... you edit its z-position to be 25m and type 225 or 255 instead...... object goes out of select range and "vanishes"
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:29]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but in general, no, we don't trust viewers or objects enough for there to be many opportunities for spoofing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:30]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You can't trust the viewer
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:30]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|actually is defence weapon. when somebody starts rezzing hundreds of physical rotating prims(that are ment to crash the sim), i rezz my thing, and i pushes those physical thing out of the sim:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:30]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|After all who knows where it' sbeen?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:31]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|That seems to be adding owod to the fire Rex
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:31]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|wood
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:31]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|uh oh - now there's physics involved? Yikes - all bets are off... :-)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:32]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|my thing is not physical, just looks for moving things, and gives them a "hard" shove:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:32]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Is it that bad? When you add physics? I mean, the objects may be in motion, but
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:32]  
| colspan="2"|''Zero&nbsp;Linden imagnies that owood is sort of like el-wire''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:32]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But aren't they in sim, in the same way as non moving objects?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:32]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|... physical objects getting given a shove still doesn't help matters, it just adds to the collisions
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:32]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and if your in nopush land
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:32]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Zha - it just means that there is more opportunity for the position of the object to get messed with, and that there
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:33]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|are more object updates, and hence packet loss and re-ordering
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:33]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|has anybody here seen what happens to a sim if there are hundreds/thousands of physical objects faling/colliding/rotating?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:33]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|especially if there are 100s of new objects - some of those object updates aren't going to get through
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:33]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yep
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:33]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I killed my home with 50 physical boxes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:33]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|your best bet with griefers is still to report them so they can be taken care of accordingly ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:33]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|random shoving sin't gonna do a thing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:33]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Rex - as grid monkey I've seen my share!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:34]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|actually it works, if an objecs is sent outside the sim it goes poof:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:34]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it will add more lag as the server is handling added physics interactions of getting shoved / movement / gravity
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:34]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hrm... only if its an solo island
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:34]  
| colspan="2"|''Zha&nbsp;Ewry nods''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:34]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|since physical objects can go across boundrys I thought
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:34]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The extra chances to lose stuff makes sense
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:34]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Tho.. Not rex
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:34]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Rex's object, if it isn't moving
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:35]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|my thing is not physical
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:35]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|But.. If the sim is in pain (which it presumabbly is) then.. it all gets messier
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:35]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yours isn't but what your shoving is
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:35]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|well - unless it is phantom, it is still in the physics engine
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:35]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and considering physicals can go 4096 up
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:35]  
| peach&nbsp;Dagger:
| style="white-space:normal;"|rex did i see you at the sand box
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:35]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You're in a sandbox where griefing/anti griefing objects are normal
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:35]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|each phsical thing that gets deleted reduces load
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:36]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and if it is scripted to push, then even if it is phantom (is that possible) it is injecting energy into the physics simulation, which always, er, stirs things up
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:36]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but you can't delete them by shoving them offworld as easilly as you think
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:36]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|most "griefers" alts can be removed from a sim on entering if the sim has a central hub where everybody is forced to arrive. just needs a tiny little script for the removal ^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:36]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if I shot a bullet from my gun right now, it'll keep sailing until it hits something, even across sim lines
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:36]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|swt is surround by water, so anything that gets out, is deleted
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:37]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I've gotten "Can't enter" messages from neighboring sims
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:37]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|proper bullets set the die_on_sim_edge setting so they auto-die when leaving the sim
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:37]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So - since we're on the subject of technical ways of handling griefers - tell me what your throughs are
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:37]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok, so they arn't proper :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:37]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sqwuirrel - I don't understand the central- telehub idea
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:37]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and whats die_on_sim_edge?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:37]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|The probem with this place is that people don't speak
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:37]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ive just been to the help island
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:38]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|has a list of keys, user sent home if a know key
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:38]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Theres 20 people there doing nothing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:38]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|When everyone arrives in one spot you can do an age check and send anyone younger or older than a given number of days home
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:38]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Heya Tree.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:38]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Terney - welcome to my office hours, please sit and join us
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:38]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yep
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:38]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah - you mean at a privatly run sandbox
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:38]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Terry there are plenty of places where people know how to speak. Try the second life library great conversations
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:38]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And since most griefer alts are less than three or so days old it works quite well
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:38]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hello folks...zero good to see you made it back from vacation safe!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:38]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Dark City / Toxia / Others do the age check thing
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:38]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ive just signed up today you see.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:38]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hi tree
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:39]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hey rex and wyn :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:39]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|see squirrel, people wanna let you ahve the ring all to yerself :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:39]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|terney try NCI, a nice place fore new people
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:39]  
| colspan="2"|''Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith smiles.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:39]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|zha good to see you
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:39]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hello tree
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:39]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ok, no worries Ill leave
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:39]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:39]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You dont have to leave.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:40]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i didn't meant to tell u to go
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:40]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|All are welcome...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:40]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Ah right
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:40]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it does get a bit techy, just be warned, but your welcome :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:40]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Im quite the geek myself haha
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:40]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Minus the scipting knowledge
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:40]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So, squirrel, die on sim edge, what ya talking about?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:40]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|r*
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:40]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Then you're in the geeky place to be.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:40]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|These are my office hours - as you may or may not know, anyone with the last name Linden works for the company Linden Lab that runs SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:41]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm here to meet with residetns and discuss technical design of SL
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:41]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|You can set objects to die at the edge of the sim.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:41]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|where/how? not finding anything on the wiki
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:41]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|So they don't go wandering from sim to sim.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:41]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Aero, at some point before you leave, I'd like to ask a quick (maybe) question about an API design
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:41]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|reference to STATUS_DIE_AT_EDGE: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetStatus
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:41]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*Zero
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:41]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah, thanks
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:41]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oh, I was wondering btw, not sure if its the right time to ask, is SL been written for dual core yet if at all?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:42]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Saij, so noted
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:42]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I run it dual core..
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:42]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it runs just fine for me.. now if we can get it running dual monitor...zero :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:42]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes, but unless its written for dual core, it jusr uses one core
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:42]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|= Half speed
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:42]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|It seems to run ballanced, but slow, on my dual G5 Mac
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:42]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Terney, I run 35% on my system
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:42]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|u can get the code terney and chage it:)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:43]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|its not even using one core to its max :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:43]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Teney - there is an experimental option - turn on debug menus, then Client menu > Rendering > Run Multiple Threads
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:43]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I can surf, watch a dvd and SL at the saem time :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:43]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Alright, no worries. I just got a newish comp and its lagging quite a bit sometimes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:43]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that moves the texture decode to a second thread and hence core
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:43]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|lag can be one of three things, processor lag, video lag, sim lag, or communication lag
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:43]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|make that 4
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:43]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|since texture decode is a MAJOR CPU drain, that is help
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:43]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Its the time it takes to update things
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:43]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yeah
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:43]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Still could be 1 of the four
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:43]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Dual monitor? I can stretch my window across two monotiros, can't you?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:44]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|will have to investigate
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:44]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Nope.. SL only works on my primary
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:44]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|There's a thread about setting your video card VRAM to 1/2 itsw max due to how SL handles textures
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:44]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|if I drag it to the second monitor, the scren don't update
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:44]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|zero did you get my posting on yoru blog about cookies?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:44]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Kooky - alas, second monitors and OpenGL aren't well supported across all video drivers -
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:44]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|at least I'm not on ati :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:45]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and at least I can still use my other window.. I put a game on yesterday, I lose use of my second monitor when its on
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:45]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm sorry Tree, no - I don't see it on the Wiki discussion page
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:45]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|posting on my blog?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:45]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hmm I think it was on a wiki, it was the link you gave me just before you left
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:46]  
| colspan="2"|''Squirrel's&nbsp;Fortune Cookie: Here's some wisdom for you:''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:46]  
| colspan="2"|''Squirrel's&nbsp;Fortune Cookie: Cleanliness is next to impossible.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:46]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|i put up a use case
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:46]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Saij. - what was your question?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:46]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zero_Linden/Office_Hours/Discussion
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:46]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Guess the squirrel got her cookies
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:46]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah, ,thanks Zero. I've been contemplating the issue with SCulpties animations being cached on the client. ..
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:47]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|any hope of higher rez sculpties?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:47]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|All the options that have been discussed so far have been for single prims
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:47]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|^^
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:47]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Saij - as in the sculptie animation hack with making it be the media texture?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:47]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|LOL @ Squirrel's cookies
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:47]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I came up with a little hack that might work for multiple prims
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:47]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Oooooooohhhhhhhhh
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:47]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes my post is right there, llHTTPRequest
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:47]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I stuck a preliminary API at the bottom of Qarl's jira about media streaming
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:48]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ah - I was looking for the keyword cookies in the title
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:48]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|oh sorry about that :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:48]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1336
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:48]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|it has nothing to do with QT and sculpties directly, it was just a coneventient place to put a brainstormed API and refer people
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:48]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|my question is: can it work?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:49]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Thanks Squirrel
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:49]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the idea is to collate all the sculpt maps for a single prim and store it server side and get a reference handle back. Repeat for all prims. Then supply those references in a single call and get a collated reference
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:49]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Saijanai - I doubt it - expecting anything in LSL ot be able to keep up with frame updates is hopeful
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:50]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'm afraid that I haven't made myself at all clear
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:50]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|secondly - we don't have ANY media support on the sims
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:50]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|there is no Quicktime code on the sim
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:50]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|even less clear and getting colder :-(
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:50]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Why use Quicktime?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:50]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Jw
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:50]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|right so you couldnt possibly render the qt info to a surface
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:50]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|quicktime works :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:50]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|because the client doesnt know what it is
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:50]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Teney- that is what we use for handling streaming media
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:50]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|as I said, this was a convenient place to stick the code it has NOTHING TO DO WITH QT
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:50]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|because who wants to reinvent that wheel!
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:50]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sorry
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:51]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Alright
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:51]  
| colspan="2"|''Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime raises his hand''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:51]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Sorry about that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:51]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so higher rez sculpties?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:51]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I reinvent wheels all the tiem
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:51]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|nudge nudge
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:51]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the idea is that Qarl wants to cache the textures for sculpt maps o n the client side as do all sculpty makers that want animation
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:51]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|too bad tgas can't be multiframed, like gifs......
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:51]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Saijanai - what would a sculptie animation be other than an animation stream of some form?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:51]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|pngs can be multiframes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:52]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|my idea was just to allow caching to be a two stage process: cache one sculpty's animation textures then combine it with another's
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:52]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Why couldn't you play a sculpti anim similar to playing a regular animation
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:52]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|thats what most folks do
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:52]  
| Squirrel&nbsp;Wood:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Mayhaps animated sculpties could use textures in the same way as the normal texture animation where you basically break the texture into several tiles ?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:52]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|a texture animation where each frame is a 64x64 square of pixels on a larger texture
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:52]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Kooky - i believe that is what happens now
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:52]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|ok,
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:52]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Saijanai - AH that kind of animation - all in one frame
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:52]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'll shut up, don't know what I'm talking about..don't play with sculpties :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:53]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|the point isn't how the server sends the info to hte client, but how the client can specify multiple prims for animation
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:53]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or rather how a script can
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:53]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|right now, there's no way to start multiple animations with one call
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:53]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|right so you could rez and map sculpties via script?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:53]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|but in that case, what you are really asking is to do sculptie map animation the same we we do other texture animations -
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:53]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|of course, that is ALL done viewer side
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:54]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|yes, but allow multiple prims to use the same map, but in a different way
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:54]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|intead of m frames, you have m frames of n sculpties
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:54]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|each row of tiles is a frame. Each column of the tiles is for a different culpty
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:54]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Yes - I see - it is possible, though I wonder how general the technique is ...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:54]  
| colspan="2"|''Zha&nbsp;Ewry thinks not too general''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:55]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|quite general. The best sculpty animations are already using multiple sculpties
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:55]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sounds pretty specialized
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:55]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and if there wouldn't be a more general structure for manaing animation sets - of regular textures too...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:55]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Is this about improving the graphics of the avatars etc? Because I think its like more of a priority to make the game run smoothly first
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:55]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I saw a horse drawing a haywagon the other day. Each leg was its own animation
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:55]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|No
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:55]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|of course... at this point we're getting dangerously close to SMIL or some such
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:55]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|this is regarding one specific type of prim
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:55]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Alright
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:56]  
| colspan="2"|''Zero&nbsp;Linden thinkgs game? what game?''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:56]  
| colspan="2"|''Zero&nbsp;Linden smiles''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:56]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|its a relatively simple API. only a few calls: createanimationcache(sculpty, [map_list}, blah);
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:56]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|with a animatinHandle = at the front
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:56]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Saijanai- there are no simple APIs! Changes to LSL are forever and we need to think very carefully about each and everyone
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:56]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|so....higher rez sculpties?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:56]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Maybe we need some simple apis :)
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:57]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|animation handles, or any kind of handle, introduces a resource concept that then has to be managed
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:57]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|and LSL isn't so good at that
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:57]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|then after you've gotten several handles for several sculpties, animationcache = (createanimationhandle( [handle1, handle2,...]);.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:57]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|when do they get cleaned up?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:57]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|multiple references?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:57]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|llstartANimation(animationcache);
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:57]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|etc?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:57]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|good question.
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:57]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|than either lsl has to change, or mono has to take over
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:57]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Hard question
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:57]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|state changes erase references to listen handles
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:57]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Dangling reds are messy
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:58]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|*refs
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:58]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Remember that a sim can have thousands of scripts, so we try to avoid things with unbounded memory use
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:58]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And ref counting is costly
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:58]  
| colspan="2"|''Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime isn't holding his breath on any updates.''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:58]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|that might not make sense for sculpties, but the other side of the question is: are multiprim animations simply not allowed except viea the current kludge?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:58]  
| colspan="2"|''Zero&nbsp;Linden contemplates dangling reds.....''
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:58]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|hey...we just had some major updates! messaging??
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:58]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Updates such as: Havoc 4, Mono
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:58]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|what kludge?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:58]  
| Zha&nbsp;Ewry:
| style="white-space:normal;"|And mono may help slightly on rersource use.. but not that much, as data space, is already half of script space
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:59]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Saijanai- yes - right now there hasn't been much time to think about the kind of coordination and resource managment that such a facitlity would require
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:59]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|start one sculpty. Start the next start the next, change the map, change the map, change the map...
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:59]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|This convos confusing me ;) So I htink its time I take my leave. Anywhere good for a new person to go?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:59]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|mind you - people would love such things not just for textures and sculptie maps, but also things like prim parameter changes
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:59]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|second life library is a great place
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFFFFF;"
| [13:59]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|sculpties are stopgap anyway right?
|- style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#F0F0F0;"
| [13:59]  
| Bridie&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I've gotta run - thanks all, Zero for letting me sit in.
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| [13:59]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|whitness the lotus
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| [13:59]  
| Terney&nbsp;McMillan:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Alright thanks
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| [13:59]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|all those opening and closing of leaves
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| [13:59]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bye bye birdie
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| [13:59]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bridie
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| [13:59]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I mean, we will enventually have access to real nurbs and stuff right?
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| [14:00]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|is done thtough very complex scripting that would really be more like an animation
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| [14:00]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Go everywhere :)
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| [14:00]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Tree - who knows maybe in 5 years?
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| [14:00]  
| Rex&nbsp;Cronon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bye bridie
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| [14:00]  
| Kooky&nbsp;Jetaime:
| style="white-space:normal;"|or 10
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| [14:00]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|Well all -
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| [14:00]  
| Tree&nbsp;Kyomoon:
| style="white-space:normal;"|no way, I say a year
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| [14:00]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I guess it was not at all asimple question...
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| [14:00]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|alas, it is 2pm and I have another meeting .... so I must big a quick adieu
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| [14:00]  
| Wyn&nbsp;Galbraith:
| style="white-space:normal;"|bye bye Bridie, Bridie bye bye
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| [14:00]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|laters all!
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| [14:00]  
| Saijanai&nbsp;Kuhn:
| style="white-space:normal;"|take care Zero
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| [14:00]  
| Zero&nbsp;Linden:
| style="white-space:normal;"|I'll be here thursday this week
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