User talk:Gordon Wendt

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Question2.JPG I saw you were playing with Template:LSL Generic/request, it's a generic LSL template that can be used with functions, events and constants; not just functions. -- Strife Onizuka 13:57, 8 June 2008 (PDT)

  • I tweaked the generic one to create a notice for the request page (since it's a single use item I didn't create a new template I just copied over my tweaked css to it) just to clarify to people that non of the functions on that page are active and are just proposed functions. Gordon Wendt 14:01, 8 June 2008 (PDT)

Employee Category

Question2.JPGHeyas :-) Re: added Category:Linden Lab Employees not sure why this wasn't added before:
Char Linden removed the Category from Dusty's userpage some time ago. I don't know why, as there was no comment anywhere. --Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 14:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I don't feel like pre-emptively removing it again just because it's been removed before since he is a LL employee but if it's removed again then it's removed again. GW (T|C) -- 16:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
It's possible that some Lindens are really contractors and aren't employees. -- Strife (talk|contribs) 17:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Linking localized versions

Question2.JPG Heyas Gordon! :-)
Sorry for just undo-ing your change, though the German header shouldn't be in the English article. Furthest would be to have the English header {{Help|noMultiLang=*}} in there, though I think that LL doesn't want to have that one either. I hope we won't have to deal with this situation for long and that the Help Portal is soon merged into KB articles.
As of linking localized versions: I put together a list that's readable for a bot like Wiki, though I'm not able to fully deploy it, since it contains lots of LLO articles, which I'm not able to edit. I'll poke for some Linden help on this one, am meeting with Noelle on Wednesday and am hoping that the issue is resolved till the end of the week. I'd ask you to not create redirects until then, since it would then make it harder to do the linking in an automatted way. It's an ugly situation and I hoped that the KB wouldn't be announced on the blog until it's resolved... though well :-/ ...
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 03:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there a way to do header linking like we currently do with articles that have a articlename/es, articlename/de, etc.... article in the general help header, like the german version of the article seems to have done? There has to be a better way to do this. GW (T|C) -- 23:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure if I understood it (please correct me when I'm wrong), but when you're talking about the language bar:
That started as a work-around for the problem that the English articles happened to be outside of the Wiki. Instead of using the established templates for interwiki linking, we had to create something that is
  • includable in all translated versions of an article in order to represent the right links without the need of updating each translated page
  • linking into the parature KB
additionally, it seemed benefitting to also use this for documentation purposes. So I made Template:Kbl10n and the related subpages. It allows to wrap information in different styles, like language bar, table or other more exotic styles, like I need them to configure the Wiki bot for link fixes. E.g., when you look at the code of User:Zai Lynch/Sandbox/Temp, you'll notice that it only includes templates and that these are displaying the infos in the way I need them to create such a file. Same with this overview page. The language headers are the same template, just in another mode.
This approach was needed at the time it was made, but turned obsolete now. By now, we can use Template:Multi-lang and create redirects from <English name>/<ISO 639-1 code> to the localized page. Seems still more cumbersome than just adding links like [[de:German Name]] to the English page (etc), but offers other benefits that I wouldn't want to miss (like an update notification feature etc. ... "Just" need to properly document it and tell doc team how to use it).
To cut a long story short, Template:Multi-lang supports what we need to have localized articletitles while still having all benefits of a template over a stray link. If the Kbl10n templates will be replaced by multi-lang, or if they'll just wrap the info to then include multi-lang, is still to be decided by the localization team.
However, regardless of the way that's choosen, all English KB articles should point to their localized counterparts very soon. Like I said, I'm hoping to have it sorted till the end of the week. At least all localized pages are pointing to the Wiki version of the KB now (in the headers).
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 00:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Also, the German version of the article has a help header so that needs to be dealt with, I'll assume that this is an unwritten LL rule not just you asserting your preference as an unwritten rule, if there aren't going to be help headers on KB articles then it needs to be made into a written rule and it needs to be applied to all languages of an article either with the header or without, I think with is better in the long run even if that means a lot of work, checking and implementing this could be done automatically with a bot. GW (T|C) -- 23:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh it's not my preference to seperate KB and Help Portal. It's exactly the opposit. I'd love to have them as close together as posible, since I feel somehow connected to it's creation and would like to see it bloom. The reason why the localized KBs got these, is historical again. The localized KBs were (and are) imported piece by piece, rather than having a complete bulk to cover all topics of SL. Therefor it seemed reasonable to connect localized KBs with localized portals, to have a greater resource of topics covered. So we merged categories. In order to still be able to distinguish KB articles from HP articles, KB articles end with (KB) in the title. Well most do... there are only a few which don't, since we might step away from that again in order to provide easier linkability (closing bracket in the end is not parsed correctly in most cases) and in order to sync it with the English counterpart. However, the localized KBs are using the same categories as the localized Help Portals. The KB pages also got merged in the Help Header. The English KB however has it's own categories now and doesn't share any content with the HP. I should have specified it better when I wrote it: It seems to me that it's an unwritten policy by the documentation team, to have the English KB articles not contain a Help header. However, we might back that up via the KB2Wiki mailing list. Though the localized KBs, which are under the hood of the localization team, got these currently merged. If this will stay the way it is, is an open question, and I actually doubt that it will stay. I know Noelle wants to have KB categories translated and we're currently waiting for this issue beeing resolved before work starts on it. As you see, there is much flow at the moment, since the situation is just changing very fast with the KB2Wiki import. At the moment, the header should stay at the localized version, since it is also a KB header, not just a "Help Portal"-header anymore.
The Kbl10n template used in that article and providing the actual linking tho, is independant from the Help Header. --Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 00:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Ich habe ein Ticket als Typ „Knowledge Base Suggestions" eingereicht, es handelt sich hierbei jedoch um ein Problem für Support. Warum leiten Sie mein Ticket nicht weiter? was the article I was thinking of btw, I took the liberty of removing the help header per your unwritten rule although that breaks any ability to find the English version of the article, rules are rules apparently, especially when I can catch you on the fact that they don't make any sense :) GW (T|C) -- 00:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I thought so and I hope it makes somehow sense by reading the above. :-)
Am putting the header back in place.
--Zai signature.png (talk|contribs) 00:42, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Please keep me up to date on this if you can, if you guys figure out a better way to organize and link these articles it would be nice to know. GW (T|C) -- 06:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)