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Greetings Kireji!  I have started a discussion on entry level info on SL wiki pages at Strife's talk page[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User_talk:Strife_Onizuka#Entry_level_information_on_LSL_wiki_pages].  Thank you for the page you sent me for reference, you are right, it was very helpful!  [[User:Toady Nakamura|Toady Nakamura]] 09:50, 7 December 2012 (PST)
 
Greetings Kireji!  I have started a discussion on entry level info on SL wiki pages at Strife's talk page[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User_talk:Strife_Onizuka#Entry_level_information_on_LSL_wiki_pages].  Thank you for the page you sent me for reference, you are right, it was very helpful!  [[User:Toady Nakamura|Toady Nakamura]] 09:50, 7 December 2012 (PST)
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== Introduction Of Errors ==
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Kireji, I'm new to contributing to the Wiki, but I got here because a new scripter on a scripting group was confused that a sample you had corrupted (Gun Script) would not even compile. I then noticed a second sample edited by you (llAgentList) that would not even compile.  I corrected both, and you then had the temerity to edit the latter and introduce a bug, showing you didn't even bother to test your changes. I can see no excuse for such careless random editing. The first requirement for a contributor of worth is surely a meticulous care and attention to detail. I notice others complaining about your over-activity. Is it perhaps time to back off a bit? [[User:Omei Qunhua|Omei Qunhua]] 11:42, 9 December 2012 (PST)

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Examples

It can't be said enough. Thank you for writing examples! -- Strife (talk|contribs) 19:53, 3 October 2012 (PDT)

You're welcome! -- Kireji Haiku (talk|contribs) 14:53, 5 October 2012 (PDT)

Warning!

I like the idea of the Warning boxes but I think "Warning" is a bit strong. Maybe "Pro Tip!" instead? This is also big change, so I've made a thread about it on SL Universe. -- Strife (talk|contribs) 14:37, 5 October 2012 (PDT)

what about that yellow exclamation mark thing I saw being used on the KB pages? -- Kireji Haiku (talk|contribs) 14:53, 5 October 2012 (PDT)
Like the one in the Hint examples? I think there may be several. I like the layout of Warning, just not the title text. I don't want to get in the way of progress so in the mean time lets use "Template:LSL Tip" which for now is a redirect to "Template:Warning" and then see where the thread goes. It gives us the option to redesign the layout later without having to edit every article. -- Strife (talk|contribs) 15:47, 5 October 2012 (PDT)
What about KBcaution? Could use that one. -- Kireji Haiku (talk|contribs) 03:23, 6 October 2012 (PDT)

Please DO NOT EDIT MY USER PAGES

If there's anything on any of my user pages you want to discuss, ASK!

That's what talk pages are for >.<

I will undo ALL your edits, and if I have to do it again I will be seriously pissed.

 fredgandt 23:56, 1 November 2012 (PDT)

Fred, as I said a few days ago, no offence intended - neither expressed nor implied. You're making this something it never was nor should have been. I could not find any information on the editing guidelines for this wiki about user pages being off limits. Maybe I missed that info? And yes, I have read them before editing the wiki. It said something about the userpages being something like an expanded profile, but nothing about them being off limits to anybody else. That wouldn't be the point of a wiki anyway, right? As you said on Strife's page, wikipedia may have such rules. However this wiki does not and if said rules do apply here too, you or whoever feels that way should maybe make sure that the rules of this wiki are more clear to non-wikipedia users like me. This is the first time people start jumping me because of edits on their userpages. I've been editing pages of Kelly Linden for example before and nobody seemed to have a problem with that. I do not have any questions about your pages, I (still) have the impression that the scripts on your userpages could use an update. Not functionality wise, no - but readability wise. If you're not really keen on learning all type values of constants by heart, I still do believe that: <lsl> llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast(LINK_ROOT,

       [PRIM_PHANTOM, TRUE,
       PRIM_SIZE, <1.0, 1.0, 0.02>,
       PRIM_ROTATION, ZERO_ROTATION,
       PRIM_TYPE, PRIM_TYPE_BOX, PRIM_HOLE_DEFAULT, <0.0, 1.0, 0.0>, 0.0, ZERO_VECTOR, <0.95, 0.95, 0.0>, ZERO_VECTOR,
       PRIM_TEXTURE, ALL_SIDES, "5748decc-f629-461c-9a36-a35a221fe21f", <1.0, 1.0, 0.0>, ZERO_VECTOR, 0.0,
       PRIM_TEXTURE, 0, "ecf785e7-4cf6-9f95-6292-40061bdddeed", <0.7, 0.7, 0.0>, ZERO_VECTOR, 0.0,
       PRIM_COLOR, ALL_SIDES, <0.6745, 0.6745, 0.7255>, 1.0,
       PRIM_BUMP_SHINY, ALL_SIDES, PRIM_SHINY_HIGH, PRIM_BUMP_NONE,
       PRIM_BUMP_SHINY, 0, PRIM_SHINY_HIGH, PRIM_BUMP_BRIGHT,
       PRIM_FULLBRIGHT, ALL_SIDES, FALSE,
       PRIM_FULLBRIGHT, 0, TRUE,
       PRIM_FULLBRIGHT, 5, TRUE,
       PRIM_GLOW, ALL_SIDES, 0.012,
   PRIM_LINK_TARGET, 2,
       PRIM_POSITION, <0.0,0.0,0.01>,
       PRIM_SIZE, <0.16, 0.91, 0.91>,
       PRIM_ROTATION,<0.0, 0.707107, 0.0, 0.707107>,
       PRIM_TYPE, PRIM_TYPE_PRISM, PRIM_HOLE_DEFAULT, <0.0, 1.0, 0.0>, 0.0, ZERO_VECTOR, <0.5, 1.0, 0.0>,
       PRIM_TEXTURE, ALL_SIDES, "e97cf410-8e61-7005-ec06-629eba4cd1fb", <1.0, 1.0, 0.0>, ZERO_VECTOR, 0.0,
       PRIM_COLOR, ALL_SIDES, <1.0, 1.0, 1.0>, 1.0,
       PRIM_BUMP_SHINY, ALL_SIDES, PRIM_SHINY_MEDIUM, PRIM_BUMP_NONE]);

</lsl> is a lot more readable and cleaner code than: <lsl> llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast(1, [

   5,1,7,<1.0, 1.0, 0.02>,
   8,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0>,
   9,0,0,<0.0, 1.0, 0.0>,0.0,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,<0.95, 0.95, 0.0>,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,
   17,0,"ecf785e7-4cf6-9f95-6292-40061bdddeed",<0.7, 0.7, 0.0>,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,0.0,
   17,1,"5748decc-f629-461c-9a36-a35a221fe21f",<1.0, 1.0, 0.0>,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,0.0,
   17,2,"5748decc-f629-461c-9a36-a35a221fe21f",<1.0, 1.0, 0.0>,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,0.0,
   17,3,"5748decc-f629-461c-9a36-a35a221fe21f",<1.0, 1.0, 0.0>,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,0.0,
   17,4,"5748decc-f629-461c-9a36-a35a221fe21f",<1.0, 1.0, 0.0>,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,0.0,
   17,5,"5748decc-f629-461c-9a36-a35a221fe21f",<1.0, 1.0, 0.0>,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,0.0,
   18,-1,<0.6745, 0.6745, 0.7255>,1.0,
   19,0,3,1,
   19,1,3,0,
   19,2,3,0,
   19,3,3,0,
   19,4,3,0,
   19,5,3,0,
   20,0,1,
   20,1,0,
   20,2,0,
   20,3,0,
   20,4,0,
   20,5,1,
   25,-1,0.012]);

llSetLinkPrimitiveParamsFast(2, [

   6, <0.0,0.0,0.01>, 7,<0.16, 0.91, 0.91>,
   8,<0.0, 0.707107, 0.0, 0.707107>,
   9,3,0,<0.0, 1.0, 0.0>,0.0,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,<0.5, 1.0, 0.0>,
   17,-1,"e97cf410-8e61-7005-ec06-629eba4cd1fb",<1.0, 1.0, 0.0>,<0.0, 0.0, 0.0>,0.0,
   18,-1,<1.0, 1.0, 1.0>,1.0,
   19,-1,2,0]);

</lsl> because constants actually mean something and it's easier to look up a constant's value than figuring out where which constant should have been in the first place, especially when code is not formatted. I don't understand why you don't leave edits like these which I made. If you don't want to be held responsible for the tipjar script edits, that's fine and I get it. But rolling back all edits no matter what just to prove a point is not helping anybody here. Neither me, nor you and especially not people who cannot script ... yet. I hope we can move on now? I'm tired of having to justify myself for edits I made on other people's pages, if nobody really cares about the edits anyway but about unwritten rules which are nowhere to be found. -- Kireji Haiku 12:05, 5 November 2012 (PST)

You removed my note to you

Previously I wrote here "Thanks for the fix to the recording tip jar script which I snagged off a different page of this wiki and had planned to fix like you just did! However, do me a huge favor and don't change every com_channel "0" on my scripts examples to "PUBLIC_CHANNEL". You are most likely correct that it is the "right" way to do it, however ALL_THOSE_CAPS scare the living daylights out of entry level scriptors which is who I'm trying to help with all the basic scripts and examples. Most particularly please do not change the ones on my talk page or my sandbox, which are works in progress? Thanks again for getting to the tipjar script before I did. Toady Nakamura 12:07, 30 October 2012 (PDT)"

Please note that I asked you not to edit my user pages. You didn't reply so I came over to see if you were active, and I see now Fred Gandt asking you to not edit other people's user pages. Also it is usually not done to remove correspondence from Wiki-talk pages without talking to the sender. It makes it look like you're trying to hide a consistent pattern of behavior. I'm sure you're an awesome scriptor, but it's not up to you to rearrange pages that people are using for various purposes - particularly without asking the page owner. In case you didn't know, Wikiformat saves every change; you can erase these on your actual talk page, but they still show in the history - which cannot be changed. Toady Nakamura 08:54, 4 November 2012 (PST)
Hi, I removed your note. I didn't forget and would have gotten to my edits on your page. I assume it's all fixed now? I have a fulltime job and other things to take care of, I'm not that fast to react here. I'll do it eventually though whenever I find the time. I'm not hiding anything, I wanted the to move on, cause I'm not here for a fight. -- Kireji Haiku 12:05, 5 November 2012 (PST)

Reversions explained

Hi again: I had to revert the changes you made to my user pages. Sorry, but you stripped off all the teaching notes and reversed the logic of one script. The point of those pages is that they help students who are taking inworld LSL classes to have online references to things that are taught in the classes. I was notified that the pages no longer matched the notes by a confused student and it's wasted over an hour of my Sunday morning to revert and repair. Recognizing there are many ways to script the exact same thing and that various scriptors have their own opinions which is best, I have appended your versions to the bottoms of the pages, as here User:Toady_Nakamura/Two_States_Light and here User:Toady_Nakamura/Touch_Toggle_Light. Now, for future... if you wish to rewrite other scripts on my user pages, would you be so kind to add them, instead of wiping out what is already there? I have provided those two as format references to show how easy it is for you to add your contributions to the bottom instead of replacing with your version. Also please do not use colored Warning or Tip boxes on my user pages. I will remove any that I find. If you want to decorate your own pages, please feel free, but please do not add images to mine. In all the years I've edited this wiki and others it would never occur to me to make any change to a user's page other than their talk pages. There's tons of work needed out in the actual commonspace of the Wiki itself. Please don't change user page stuff. Toady Nakamura 09:54, 4 November 2012 (PST)

See the replies above. -- Kireji Haiku 12:05, 5 November 2012 (PST)

Entry level info discussion

Greetings Kireji! I have started a discussion on entry level info on SL wiki pages at Strife's talk page[1]. Thank you for the page you sent me for reference, you are right, it was very helpful! Toady Nakamura 09:50, 7 December 2012 (PST)

Introduction Of Errors

Kireji, I'm new to contributing to the Wiki, but I got here because a new scripter on a scripting group was confused that a sample you had corrupted (Gun Script) would not even compile. I then noticed a second sample edited by you (llAgentList) that would not even compile. I corrected both, and you then had the temerity to edit the latter and introduce a bug, showing you didn't even bother to test your changes. I can see no excuse for such careless random editing. The first requirement for a contributor of worth is surely a meticulous care and attention to detail. I notice others complaining about your over-activity. Is it perhaps time to back off a bit? Omei Qunhua 11:42, 9 December 2012 (PST)