WindLight/Office Hours/2008-04-10

[11:46] Flying Saucer: Greetings, Pastrami Linden! [11:46] Michael Linden is Online [11:46] Abacus Mimistrobell is Online [11:46] Bao Linden is Online [11:46] Steve Linden is Online [11:46] Adeel Cave is Online [11:46] Pathfinder Linden is Online [11:46] Hamilton Linden is Online [11:46] Betsy Linden is Online [11:46] Colton Linden is Online [11:46] Jeska Linden is Online [11:46] Kona Linden is Online [11:46] Rowan Linden is Online [11:46] Q Linden is Online [11:46] Frolic Mills is Online [11:46] Soft Linden is Online [11:46] Data Linden is Online [11:46] Bridie Linden is Online [11:46] Torley Linden is Online [11:46] Sidewinder Linden is Online [11:46] George Linden is Online [11:46] Qarl Linden is Online [11:46] Matthew Linden is Online [11:46] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [11:46] Connected [11:46] Entering god mode, level 200 [11:46] CeCe Demonia: few months [11:47] Miran Devine: a few weeks for me [11:47] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [11:47] Connected [11:48] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Undulosa/105/210/43 [11:48] Tiny Body: Unknown animation state 'Init' [11:48] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [11:48] Connected [11:48] Cyn Linden is Online [11:48] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/LindenWorld%20B/134/134/23 [11:48] Ambergris Baphomet: mine are mod. both system and prim/flexi [11:48] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [11:48] Kooky Jetaime: Granted 19.1 should be able to handle all this [11:48] Connected [11:49] Ford Roffo: I have no lighting [11:49] Cummere Mayo: hey pastrami [11:49] Kooky Jetaime: Pastrami- We're full! [11:49] Wrestling Hulka: Hey Pastrami! [11:49] Ford Roffo: we've been full [11:49] Cummere Mayo: can you up the agents please pastrami? [11:49] Wrestling Hulka: CUBE!! [11:49] Kooky Jetaime: I think we need to move to Pooley Stage [11:49] Kevin Susenko: I only get a 5fps gain by turning everything down xD [11:49] Wrestling Hulka: nice avatar cube :D [11:49] Ford Roffo: any action on the over under 115 total avs [11:49] Bao Linden is Offline [11:49] Karine Koba: this should be fun [11:49] Qarl Linden is Offline [11:49] Ford Roffo: at Pooley [11:49] Chief Blackhawk: yes please [11:50] Ford Roffo: what'll it be? [11:50] Zena Juran: I just found the right setting to turn Wrestling off.... lol [11:50] Ford Roffo: how many L? [11:50] Miansha Beaumont: bling off [11:50] Kooky Jetaime: We've been full for near 5 minutes [11:50] Kooky Jetaime: moving to Pooley might be necessary [11:50] Shirley Marquez: I actually find that Medium with some customization works better... [11:50] Ford Roffo: I say if we move we end up with 115 total avatars [11:50] Ford Roffo: who wants a pieca that?? [11:50] Ford Roffo: $$$$$ [11:50] Ford Roffo: haha [11:50] Shirley Marquez: Medium, then turn down draw distance, and then try turning off basic shaders [11:51] Ambergris Baphomet: I do not care - I just want skirts back plse :) [11:51] Ford Roffo: I'd take some OVER personally [11:51] Shirley Marquez: the last helps on some video cards and not others [11:51] Cerulean Capalini claps for amber [11:51] Kooky Jetaime: My video card maker is still on nvidia 169 [11:51] Shirley Marquez: Amber, is it system skirts that have been disappearing for you, or prim skirts? [11:51] Soft Linden is Offline [11:51] Ford Roffo: -CHEERS- randomly [11:51] Ambergris Baphomet: system [11:52] Shirley Marquez: I've never seen that one, but I've heard reports [11:52] Loli Tumim: I "LL be right backkk [11:52] Ambergris Baphomet: I am protesting by showing my slightly sexy undies. I AM wearing my system skirt [11:52] Matthew Linden is Offline [11:52] Cerulean Capalini: I took pictures of it if needed at any point in time for system skirt issues [11:52] Wrestling Hulka: Going to Advance > Rendering > Types > Volume turns off all the prims - should ease the pain of your older graphics cards during this session . [11:52] Ambergris Baphomet: it is invis [11:52] Cummere Mayo: hey um can you fix your voice so youre not echoeing please? [11:52] Iexo Bethune: Finally back. [11:52] Karine Koba: awww damn jojo crashed [11:52] Ambergris Baphomet: oh we are on voice? [11:52] Iexo Bethune: Ah, so that's why I was able to get in. xD [11:52] Sidewinder Linden is Offline [11:52] Soft Linden is Online [11:52] Iexo Bethune: 'Cause Jojo crashed. xD [11:53] Abby Callisto: ummmms [11:53] Kooky Jetaime: This better not be on voice [11:53] Abby Callisto: yur like sqyuishing me [11:53] Time Dilation: Drew Dzieciol is currently experiencing time at a slower rate than you. [11:53] Abby Callisto: hehe [11:53] Kooky Jetaime: 63 agents on voice [11:53] Stephan Gaudio: lol [11:53] Stephan Gaudio: sorry [11:53] Kooky Jetaime: that would be bad [11:53] Andromeda Hird: Syn [11:53] Iexo Bethune: You'd think they'd increase the server capacity in places where they do this crap, at least for the time they're doing it. [11:53] Cummere Mayo: i doubt it will be too many dont have full vc support [11:53] SynsualSyn Sawson: Rebel Hope ROCKS!!! [11:53] You: I think we're going to bump up the limit here [11:53] Kooky Jetaime: Pastrami [11:53] Sandor Balczo: are we supposed to use voice? [11:53] Iexo Bethune: SL being as large as it is, clearly, 50 avatars just isn't enough [11:54] Kooky Jetaime: your taking the server with ya [11:54] Kevin Susenko: Iexo: they did, but only from 40 to 60 :P [11:54] Kooky Jetaime: Move to Pooley Stage [11:54] Shirley Marquez: wow, the limit is up to 100 now! [11:54] Michael Timeless: Can you tell them how to not echo [11:54] Ambergris Baphomet: Petron, sorry I cannot move my camera or click IMs - barely hanging on here as it is [11:54] Daten Thielt: no voice is never used for meetings as not everyone uses it [11:54] Ollipeist Balogh: There are 68 of us here now. [11:54] Andromeda Hird: Syn you are sitting on my face [11:54] Kooky Jetaime: you can have 160 people without changing any sim settings [11:54] Kevin Susenko: and now 100 [11:54] Ford Roffo: what about the CMP area where ... forgot who spoke a week back [11:54] Celierra Darling: How did people see the limits? [11:54] Iexo Bethune: Well, I couldn't get in, so... [11:54] Cerulean Capalini: amber...If I hold on I'll fight the skirt fight lol [11:54] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Brampton/106/152/26 [11:55] Soft Linden is Offline [11:56] Enus Linden is Online [11:56] Bao Linden is Online [11:57] Kooky Jetaime: Rex - I think Pastrami is looking into it [11:57] Kitty Barnett: the more the... err... angrier? [11:57] Will Trevellion: ooops sorry [11:57] Tiny Body: Unknown animation state 'Taking Off' [11:57] Doctor Gascoigne: Pastrami is behind me [11:57] Zena Juran: I hope I don't have to try to TP at this point :-( [11:58] You shout: hey all- let's move to Pooley [11:58] Will Trevellion: hmm [11:58] Jade Atlantis: Im here, rezing [11:58] Kooky Jetaime: Fly :) [11:58] Rex Cronon: or maybe put repeaters? [11:58] Natalya Debevec: can I walk there? ;) [11:58] Kooky Jetaime: Follow me to Pooley STage! [11:58] Petronilla Whitfield: Where? [11:58] AlwaysIcey Mapholisto: Got a link? I don't know where anything is here :P [11:58] Rails Bailey: bugger I just arrived [11:58] Zena Juran: WHERE"S POOLEY? [11:58] Kooky Jetaime: tHIS WAY [11:58] Cube Linden: Back, and to the left [11:58] Micalia Elytis: umm..home i can't see anything ;x [11:58] JC Anvil: Exactly. Where's Pooley [11:58] Rex Cronon: i can't see u kooky [11:58] Sue Linden is Online [11:58] Jade Atlantis: I need a Link I cant see crap yet [11:58] Media Hax: Why do you guys always do this .. schedule these meet ups at place that cant handle crowd [11:59] Gwynn Blackburn: /find kooky [11:59] Kooky Jetaime shouts: its at the corner of this sim! [11:59] Cummere Mayo shouts: link please pastrami? [11:59] Will Trevellion: we are all slow flying and no rezzing [11:59] Zena Juran: I CAN"T STAND UP [11:59] Second Life: Your object 'Object' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Governor Linden from parcel 'Brampton Linden Stage' at Brampton 109.732, 149.617 due to parcel auto return. [11:59] Abby Callisto: OWWWWWW HELPPPPP [11:59] Abby Callisto: GET OFF MEEEEE [11:59] Karine Koba: low prims attachements should be required too... [11:59] Rex Cronon: NS? [11:59] Mari Moonbeam: where to go? [11:59] Ambergris Baphomet: Somone TP me t o Pooley - or post SLurl plse :) [11:59] Abby Callisto: DUNDAS GET OFF MEEEE [11:59] Will Trevellion: pretty pathetic [11:59] Rex Cronon: north-south? [11:59] Jesse Linden is Online [11:59] Runitai Linden is Online [12:00] Cerulean Capalini: wow...that was one flight against the "wind" lol [12:00] Drew Dzieciol: no [12:00] Kitty Barnett: no room on my lap, Drew, sorry :p [12:00] Media Hax: i expect not, we would cover to much ground [12:01] Ambergris Baphomet: ty hon :) [12:01] Wrestling Hulka: *makes some soup while waiting for the meeting to start* [12:01] Jesse Linden is Offline [12:01] Kooky Jetaime: I'm trying to bring peeps :) [12:01] Eddy Ofarrel: erm... Pending Downloads doesn't look too good... lol [12:01] Arawn Spitteler notes Pastrami is here in avatar, if not in spirit. [12:01] Shirley Marquez: thank you, Mari -- that was one ugly sim crossing :P [12:01] Dirk Talamasca kisses Amber [12:02] Zena Juran: Oh.. was that a sim I just crossed? [12:02] Ambergris Baphomet nuzzles Dirk [12:02] Ambergris Baphomet: Wewtwewt! :D [12:02] Cummere Mayo: hello arawn [12:02] Kooky Jetaime: yes [12:02] Kooky Jetaime: this stage sits on 4 sim corners [12:02] Ambergris Baphomet: why "Pastrami"? I get urge to eat sandwich everytime I see that name ;) [12:02] Kooky Jetaime: Just as long as our linden leaders remember to shout [12:02] Ambergris Baphomet giggles [12:02] Mari Moonbeam: and my lap- four people [12:03] You shout: gimme one sec everyone [12:03] Iexo Bethune: Horsey! [12:03] Shirley Marquez: omg, my viewer is up to 1.3 GIGABYTES [12:03] Kooky Jetaime: If you are outside of the pooley sim, try and teleport people over here from the stage [12:03] Shirley Marquez: I think I'm going to have to relog, otherwise it will crash soon [12:03] Kitty Barnett: but look at the pretty sky :o [12:03] Kooky Jetaime: the pooley sim is full at the moment [12:03] Rex Cronon: i hope i won't sit on anybody [12:03] Zena Juran: my hard drive is churning Shirley.... lol [12:03] Gwynn Blackburn: Is this where the meeting has moved to? [12:03] Cerulean Capalini: if you do we forgive you lol [12:03] Kooky Jetaime: I'm at 1.2GB [12:03] Ollipeist Balogh: Less than 500MB on Nicholaz BE-v [12:03] Kooky Jetaime: so hopefully I can hold out [12:03] Ambergris Baphomet: Dirk where are you so I can sit on you? [12:03] Kloacen Dagger: Am I sitting on anyone? Just give me a shove if I am. [12:03] Rex Cronon: pastrami is here so this must be the place [12:03] Kooky Jetaime: quit bragging Olli :) [12:04] Kooky Jetaime: Thats why 1.19 sucks [12:04] Dirk Talamasca: LOL [12:04] Kevin Susenko: I'm at 417mb out of 4gb [12:04] Dirk Talamasca: I am right next to you Amber [12:04] Ambergris Baphomet: lol [12:04] Drew Dzieciol: lol @ Nicholaz [12:04] Ford Roffo: madness [12:04] Arawn Spitteler: Unable to create requested object? I wasn't trying to rez anything [12:04] AlwaysIcey Mapholisto: sorry if I landed on you. The lag is bad :S [12:04] Ollipeist Balogh: Sorry. Couldn't resist. Just to prove that it is _possible_ to have a good viewer. [12:04] Kooky Jetaime: Nickolaz Viewer Rocks, its a sad sad day that we've lost his development on it! [12:04] Shirley Marquez: it's probably trying to rez one of your attachments [12:04] Ford Roffo: will this be in voice????? [12:04] Arawn Spitteler: Hi, Commere, Kooky, et al [12:05] Ford Roffo: or streamed??? [12:05] SynsualSyn Sawson: its oki hun I can share my seat with ya [12:05] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Pooley/239/10/50 [12:05] Umbra Lunardi: Here he is [12:05] Zen Linden is Online [12:05] Umbra Lunardi: Hello Pastrami! [12:05] You: Meeting has moved to Pooley Stage [12:05] You: behind us [12:05] You: see blog [12:06] Midori Akami: Over the hill to the north. [12:06] Data Linden is Offline [12:06] Will Trevellion: ok upwards and onwards [12:06] Unable to create requested object. The request timed out. Please try again. [12:06] Mortus Allen: Could you drop me a land mark? [12:06] Bridie Linden is Offline [12:06] Blue Linden: hi ^_^ [12:06] Karine Koba: ah I see you now [12:06] Jade Atlantis: *mews* [12:07] Karine Koba: I sat on someone before rezzing [12:07] Karine Koba: roflmao [12:07] Dirk Talamasca: ^5's Blue [12:07] Cerulean Capalini: turn them off...its gets really bad with so many people and names [12:07] Zen Linden is Offline [12:07] Sandor Balczo: yay [12:07] Jade Atlantis: hahah Doc [12:07] Nenad Maertens: yay [12:07] Zen Linden is Online [12:07] Jade Atlantis: I cant hardly move, to get off stage area [12:07] Marianne McCann: Hi Ambergris - an thankoo! [12:07] Jezzie McCellan: Doc where are you [12:08] Sandor Balczo: one question: is this being streamed or voiced/ [12:08] Bridie Linden is Online [12:08] Ambergris Baphomet: Wewtwewt! :D [12:08] Second Life: Your object 'Object' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Governor Linden from parcel 'Pooley Stage' at Pooley 238.581, 13.6669 due to parcel auto return. [12:08] Doctor Gascoigne: up top with Blue [12:08] Sandor Balczo: I am using voice in private [12:08] Jezzie McCellan: suck up [12:08] Frolic Mills is Offline [12:08] FaithHopeLove Destiny: sorry! [12:08] Cummere Mayo: hi jezzie! [12:08] Jezzie McCellan: hi cummere [12:08] Celierra Darling: Hey Blue! :) [12:08] Ford Roffo: IS THIS GOING TO BE VOICE OR STREAM?? [12:08] Mari Moonbeam: 12:08 [12:08] You shout: OKAY! [12:08] Kevin Susenko: I think it's just going to be text Ford. [12:08] Jezzie McCellan: hi Blue [12:08] Rex Cronon: i hope is not voice [12:09] You shout: HELLO ALL! [12:09] Daten Thielt: NEITHER PROBOBALY CHAT BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE USES VOICE ! [12:09] Ford Roffo: text? [12:09] Marianne McCann: Hi Blue above me. Thanks again for the Lobstah Trap [12:09] Ford Roffo: ugh [12:09] Kooky Jetaime: Hopefully chat! [12:09] Cerulean Capalini: I feel like I have a group seat cushion today LOL. Just don't squish me [12:09] Dithean Ringo: hello [12:09] Marianne McCann giggles [12:09] Ambergris Baphomet: Hewwo :D [12:09] Zena Juran: Hello Pastrami :-) [12:09] Ford Roffo: some can't access voice?? [12:09] Unmitigated Gall: well.. that was an ugly crash [12:09] StopAllAnimations: Stopping 1 animations [12:09] You shout: so, [12:09] Karine Koba: voice is not a good idea really [12:09] Micalia Elytis apologizes if she's standing on anyone [12:09] StopAllAnimations: Done [12:09] Sue Linden is Offline [12:09] You shout: I've posted to the blog the new lcoation [12:10] Second Life: Your object 'Object' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Governor Linden from parcel 'Pooley Stage' at Pooley 238.366, 13.6648 due to parcel auto return. [12:10] Frolic Mills is Online [12:10] Wrestling Hulka: ty pasta man [12:10] SynsualSyn Sawson: who is taking pictures? [12:10] You shout: alright, firslty, WELCOME ALL!! [12:10] Shy Robbiani: doesn't matter, using 1.19.1 I cant see you anyway [12:10] Ambergris Baphomet: lol [12:10] You shout: Here are some guidelines: [12:10] Bao Linden is Offline [12:11] pointside Sunbelter: /Am I ruthed and is my hair up my butt, anyone [12:11] Iexo Bethune: Let's keep the chatter down so we can hear the Lindens. [12:11] You shout: THis will be done via chat [12:11] Ford Roffo: ty [12:11] Linden Village Networked Kiosk: Thank you! Your notecard will be delivered to you soon! [12:11] Jade Atlantis: lollol [12:11] Iexo Bethune: If you need to talk to someone, take it to IMs. [12:11] Bridget Beresford: LMAO Michael...how the heck did this happen? [12:11] Pathfinder Linden is Offline [12:11] You shout: so everyone can participate [12:11] You shout: and I can log it [12:11] Bridget Beresford: hhehhe [12:11] You shout: secondly, hopefully all can see the agenda sign behind me [12:11] Jade Atlantis: its gonna be one heck of a log, [12:12] Second Life: Your object 'Object' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Governor Linden from parcel 'Pooley Stage' at Pooley 238.081, 13.237 due to parcel auto return. [12:12] Conover's Flight-Helper 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and operational. [12:12] Dahlia Eilde waves to Micalia [12:12] Ford Roffo: 84 people here [12:12] Sascha Vandyke shouts: doesn't rez [12:12] You shout: we're beginning a bit late, as all great meetings do :) [12:12] Ollipeist Balogh: Sign just poofed. [12:12] Gwynn Blackburn: I saw the agenda sign but now it's gone... [12:12] Eddy Ofarrel: the sign just dissappeared [12:12] Micalia Elytis waves to Dah and Nic since she saw him earlier [12:12] Wrestling Hulka: Epic meeting here :) [12:12] Jade Atlantis: the sign just keeps Flickering Pastrami [12:12] Roxanne Hynes shouts: Everyone should detach as much as you can so we don't all lag to death here, and let the lindens talk lol [12:12] Petronilla Whitfield: Agenda gone [12:12] Shirley Marquez: did it get autoreturned, Pastrami? [12:12] Harmony Linden is Online [12:12] Unmitigated Gall: i hope we open the floor soon [12:12] Ford Roffo: it's back [12:12] You shout: yeah I've set it not to - having someone help me out [12:13] SynsualSyn Sawson: I am not taking off my cltohe4s [12:13] Iexo Bethune: EVeryone please, if you have something to say to someone else, take it to IMs. Keep the chatter down so we can all hear the Lindens. [12:13] SynsualSyn Sawson: clothes* [12:13] You shout: let me try something [12:13] Tiny Body: Unknown animation state 'Taking Off' [12:13] Wrestling Hulka: just attach it to your avatar and stand very still :) [12:13] Marianne McCann: seeeeriously, Mister Hulka [12:13] Mari Moonbeam: I hear no voice [12:14] Jade Atlantis: omg he is so adorable ha [12:14] Dirk Talamasca: 700 regions down right now.. Don't try anything funny [12:14] Karine Koba shouts: voice is not a good idea and will you damn take chats to IMs [12:14] You: okay, sign should remain soon [12:14] Mari Moonbeam: IM case more lag [12:14] Abby Callisto sits very still and very quiet [12:14] You shout: so, this will be chat, [12:14] You shout: and until we ge tto the open forum [12:14] Arawn Spitteler seems to be in seascale, t the moment [12:14] You shout: I'd ask you keep the chat to a minimum [12:14] Bridie Linden is Offline [12:14] You shout: in addition [12:15] You shout: I'll be turning on a big red sign [12:15] You shout: when I'm ready for IMs [12:15] Cyn Linden is Offline [12:15] Betsy Linden is Offline [12:15] Cerulean Capalini: that was a first..ran out of memory & sl aborted then crashed. [12:16] You shout: so, without further ado [12:16] Harleen Gretzky: me too smartheap error [12:16] You: firstly I'd like to go over some basics of what the viewer does [12:16] Bridie Linden is Online [12:16] Wrestling Hulka: *two finger claps* [12:16] You shout: oh, and please don't IM me now :) [12:17] You shout: the first thing I'd like to express to all is the difference between the network/server side and the viewer side [12:17] Hamilton Linden is Offline [12:17] Karine Koba shouts: shhhhhhhhhhh people shush damnit [12:17] Second Life: Your object 'Object' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Governor Linden from parcel 'Pooley Stage' at Pooley 238.038, 13.6027 due to parcel auto return. [12:17] Ford Roffo: ty [12:17] You shout: some of this might be basic to you, but to some, not so much [12:18] You shout: SL processes most of tis data on servers- like a mail server or a web host [12:18] Zen Linden shouts: f [12:18] You shout: and then trasmits that data to you on your viewer [12:18] You shout: the best way to always think of this [12:18] You shout: is like the Matrix :) [12:19] You shout: imagine you strip away everything you see, and replace it with information and numbers [12:19] Wrestling Hulka: windlight is like the red pill [12:19] Runitai Linden is Offline [12:19] Hauke Schnyder: you are 3Mtr away from me [12:19] You shout: for example, my cute little avatar [12:19] You shout: would be a series of instructions and data [12:19] You shout: all of that comes from the server [12:20] You shout: so, script behavior, people's locations, your attachments [12:20] Second Life: Your object 'Object' has been returned to your inventory lost and found folder by Governor Linden from parcel 'Pooley Stage' at Pooley 236.901, 12.4189 due to parcel auto return. [12:20] You shout: all of that comes as data, without any visuals attached [12:20] You shout: now, the viewer has a very "dumb" job [12:20] You shout: it takes all the data and paints over it, so to speak [12:20] You shout: like going from green Matrix data mode to the real world view ;) [12:21] You shout: so, why am I going over all this? [12:21] You shout: we work on the viewer- [12:21] You shout: which means, we are almost entirely separate, data-wise, from those numbers and infoirmation [12:21] You shout: not entirely, and obviously we *work* with everyone in tandem [12:22] You shout: but when a new viewer is released, the first thing to ask yourself is, [12:22] You: if I strip away the "paint" [12:22] You shout: the 3d drawings on top of what's happening [12:22] You shout: is that where my bug is? [12:22] Asset server didn't respond in a timely fashion. Object returned to sim. [12:22] You shout: and that's a great litmus test to tell if it's viewer related or otherwise [12:23] You shout: the viewer has a slew of its own issues, don't get me wrong ;) [12:23] You shout: but many basic concerns with the viewer aren't actually the viewer at all [12:23] You: or at least not the 3d component of it [12:23] Abby Callisto: ... [12:24] You shout: much of ti has to do with the communication from you, to the server, back out to others [12:24] JoJo863 Nightfire: ao on [12:24] You shout: so problems with IMs, [12:24] You shout: inventory loss, etc. [12:24] Rowan Nadezda: HUD's Come off when logging in [12:24] You shout: when you think about it as a "data or paint?" question [12:24] You shout: fall in the data category [12:24] Helaz Saarinen: as usal lol [12:24] You shout: sometimes it's hard to tell the difference [12:24] You shout: but that's a good first step [12:24] Q Linden is Offline [12:25] You shout: take away: "We paint the data" [12:25] Runitai Linden is Online [12:25] You shout: that's what the viewer mostly does [12:25] Qarl Linden is Online [12:25] Qarl Linden is Offline [12:25] Rowan Nadezda: I'm having issues with Hud's coming off on login, some AO's not working, as well as walking when trying to use a hugger, or falling when trying to use a hugger. [12:25] Unmitigated Gall: another GD crash [12:25] You shout: guys, please keep chatter down for now. Thanks :) [12:25] Iexo Bethune: Anyone who chatters out of turn has cooties! [12:25] You shout: so, this obviously leaves a vast swath of other problems [12:25] You shout: and for those, [12:26] Rowan Nadezda: Sorry just got here. [12:26] BigPapi Linden is Online [12:26] You shout: there is a *GREAT* new wiki article up: [12:26] JoJo863 Nightfire: 0.o [12:26] Adeel Cave is Offline [12:27] You shout: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Service_Disruptions [12:27] Durl Linden is Online [12:27] You shout: someone check to make sure you guys can see that, plz [12:27] Abby Callisto: its not coming up for me [12:27] Cheesyface Wuramunga: 'Scuse me, but what's this talk about? [12:27] lobo123p Boa: lol [12:27] lobo123p Boa: i never see a linden [12:27] lobo123p Boa: HUAHAHAH AH AH AH AA HUA [12:27] Ford Roffo: SHUT UP YOU RUDE IDIOTS! [12:27] Abby Callisto: there, it popped up now, ty [12:28] You shout: okay [12:28] Echo Linden is Online [12:28] Daten Thielt: Working pastrami [12:28] Shadow Pidgeon shouts: got it [12:28] lobo123p Boa: the lindens or the residents? [12:28] lobo123p Boa: HUAHAHAH AH AH AH AA HUA [12:28] Fos Dagger: I got it up. [12:28] Zen Linden shouts: Please refrain from talking. [12:28] Helaz Saarinen shouts: oki works [12:28] Cheesyface Wuramunga shouts: EVERYONE SHUT IT AND LET THE MAN TALK! [12:28] Walden Mannonen: It works, Pastrami, okay. I'm shutting up now [12:28] You shout: so, this wiki is a great reference for what goes wrong with server, network, and data side of things [12:29] Anime Emoticon V2.8: Confused [12:29] You shout: now, this information doesn't make any of this more palatable, I know, BUT... [12:29] Sandor Balczo: CAN'T WE BAN THE IDIOTS? [12:29] You shout: before commenting or being concerned that you have a viewer problem [12:29] You shout: consult this wiki and think of the "data vs. paint" analogy [12:29] You shout: it will just make yuor concerns and comments easier to place [12:30] Unmitigated Gall: take voice private please [12:30] You shout: both for you guys and for us [12:30] You shout: so, that's it: viewer vs. the rest [12:30] You shout: next topic: [12:30] You shout: Drivers [12:30] You shout: we communciate it again and again [12:30] nomo Munz: holaaaaaa [12:30] nomo Munz: donde estas [12:30] Wrestling Hulka: don't drink and drive? [12:30] You shout: on the viewer side, we are unfortunately beholden to the graphcis cards manufacturers [12:31] nomo Munz: quieres venir donde estoy yo? [12:31] You shout: when they're not, well, not so much :) [12:31] You shout: when drivers are good, it works well [12:31] Sascha Vandyke: te calleras [12:31] You shout: but as a general rule, and behavior, [12:31] You shout: we see a lot of issues cleared up the moment people download the latest drivers for thei rmachine [12:31] Michael Linden is Offline [12:31] You shout: for some machines this is impossible, [12:31] You shout: like old notebooks [12:31] Durl Linden is Offline [12:32] You shout: but, this is another one of those Viewer 101 things we wish everyone did: [12:32] You shout: make SURE you have the latest from your manufacturers [12:32] You shout: if you don't know where to get them, [12:32] You shout: just search for "drivers" on our blog and you'll see references for ATI, Nvidia, and INtel [12:33] You shout: and if yuo still don't know what I'm talking about ;), IM a Linden or do some googling-it's a fundemental step in maintaining your PC [12:33] You shout: next topic: [12:33] Daten Thielt: DONT FORGEt US MENTORS ARE HERE TO HELP! [12:33] nomo Munz: esto que es??? [12:33] You shout: yes, thank YOU! [12:33] You shout: many people are concerned that the new viewers exclude older cards [12:33] pointside Sunbelter: /Aura we can hear you on the phone [12:34] Karine Koba: shush people shush damn [12:34] You shout: or that we have pushed forward the base that we require [12:34] You shout: we did raise the min. reqt's slightly, BUT [12:34] You shout: in the code, that didn't happen [12:34] You shout: it's more of an attempt to get new users onto better hardware [12:34] Qarl Linden is Online [12:34] Colton Linden is Online [12:34] Qarl Linden is Offline [12:34] You shout: At the LOW setting [12:35] You shout: practically every old card should run as fast or faster [12:35] You shout: LOW [12:35] You shout: for those who don't know [12:35] You: is in reference to the Graphics Quality/Performance slider [12:35] Aura Jaecies: sorry, didn't realize the mic aws on [12:36] You shout: is in reference to the Graphics Quality/Performance slider [12:36] Flight Band: All Go [12:36] You shout: to get to this, go to Edit [12:36] You shout: Preferences [12:36] You shout: then Graphics [12:36] You shout: by pulling that slider to LOW [12:36] BigPapi Linden is Offline [12:36] Q Linden is Online [12:36] You shout: you are ensuring you're back to basics [12:36] You shout: this is also a GREAT technique for anyone who thinks the new viewer is now slower, etc. [12:37] You shout: there is a 99.9% chance yuo WILL be faster at LOW [12:37] You shout: LOW is close to equal to the old viewer [12:37] You shout: but with settings like draw distance set VERY low [12:37] JoJo863 Nightfire: ao off [12:37] You shout: to understand what is happening here, click the "CUstom" check box to the right of the slider [12:38] Wrestling Hulka: Low turns of Glow and makes old computers Flow. [12:38] Ford Roffo: SHHH [12:38] You shout: that slider is actually controliing the many variables exposed when you click "Custom" [12:38] You shout: it's a basic version of going through and clickign yourself [12:38] You shout: so a great first approach, [12:39] You shout: then, try bumping it up one step at a time- to Medium, then High, etc. [12:39] You shout: is start at Low, no matter what card you have [12:39] You shout: but, I knwo what some of your are concerned about! [12:39] Rowan Linden is Offline [12:39] You shout: great performance with Low, but poor detail and draw distance, etc. [12:39] You shout: this is where Custom comes in [12:39] Unmitigated Gall: OMG, this could be on a webpage Pastrami.. OPEN THE FLOOR TO QUESTIONS PLEASE, IM ON MY THIRD CRASH, sorry to be rude, But I thought this was to get input from us, your user base? [12:39] You shout: the BEST practice to do is, [12:40] You shout: Unmitigated, some people do not know this yet, please be patient [12:40] You shout: start at Low, turn on Custom, then try each setting individually [12:40] BigPapi Linden is Online [12:40] You shout: this way yuo can get the features you want but scale back the ones you don't [12:40] Blu Heron: Will this be posted on a web page?...would be very helpful resource [12:41] You shout: we've tried to make things as clear as possible with the titles, but you'll have to become a bit of a graphics head if you want to tweak for the way you want! [12:41] Anime Emoticon V2.8: Confused [12:41] You shout: Yes, Blu- it's in multiple places and Torley will be making a tutorial soon [12:41] You shout: I will blog about it too [12:41] Sandor Balczo shouts: IT IS WORKING FOR ME, THANKS! [12:41] Blu Heron: great!!!...thanks much! [12:41] You shout: so, that's the "bottom up" approach to twekaing the viewer [12:42] You shout: and again, know what at Low, every card just as before is supported, and 99% likely you will have a faster experience than 1.18, no matter the card [12:42] CG Linden is Online [12:42] You shout: it's just up to to you to then find the sweet spot with features/speed that you like [12:42] You shout: next topic: [12:42] Alan Beresford: wow, many peaoples have questions.. [12:42] You shout: quick one [12:42] You shout: Zen has just discovered, [12:43] Universal Infinity has no questions really - just a quick suggestion. [12:43] You shout: that if you're on an ATI card [12:43] Enus Linden is Offline [12:43] You shout: and you're in 16-bit color mode in windows [12:43] You shout: you WILL crash [12:43] You shout: we know this in Windows for a fact [12:43] You shout: so, if you're crashign CONSTANTLY with an ATI [12:44] You: on startup [12:44] You shout: on startup [12:44] You shout: ensure you're in 32-bit color mode [12:44] Karine Koba crashed after changing my settings to low... laughs [12:44] Alan Beresford: i crash today many times [12:44] Flight Band: All Go [12:44] Ford Roffo: 115 people exactly ;) [12:44] Christian1981 Auer: i can not english repeat in german [12:44] You shout: google this- don't want to take up too much more time on how to do this [12:44] You: next topic: [12:44] Runitai Linden is Offline [12:44] Alan Beresford: and the joystick option is very hard to configurate [12:44] You shout: lighting on avatars [12:44] You shout: next topic [12:45] StopAllAnimations: Stopping 1 animations [12:45] StopAllAnimations: Done [12:45] Runitai Linden is Online [12:45] You shout: I'm going to use a photo or two to describe: [12:45] Daten Thielt shouts: IF YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO PUT IT TO 32 BIT RIGHT CLICK YOU DESKTOP AND GO INTO PROPERTIES, CLICK SETTINGS AND CHANGE THE TAB TO SAY 32 BIT THEN APPLY [12:45] Aminom Marvin shouts: One suggestion is to have a quick graphics setup tutorial upon first start. Something to help new users understand just what the graphics settings do. SL has daunting complexity for new users, and making the first log-in experience easy is essential to maintain that initial experience. [12:46] Karine Koba: wait your damn turn to speak damnit [12:46] Frolic Mills is Offline [12:46] AlwaysIcey Mapholisto: If I'm stepping on you, I'm sorry. I'm lagging somewhat when I move (like most everyone else) [12:46] SynsualSyn Sawson: weee what language [12:46] Flaran Riggles gave you Note to Pastrami re Invisible Skirts. [12:47] You shout: http://www.gulker.com/blog/wp-content/2007/01/long_shadows_long_day.jpg [12:47] BigPapi Linden is Offline [12:47] You shout: everyone go there [12:47] Alan Beresford: many tutorials in Secondlife tell the people what to do with the options [12:47] SynsualSyn Sawson: or cuss ya out [12:47] SynsualSyn Sawson: .you can step on me I wont whinee [12:47] Karine Koba: shhhhh [12:48] You shout: so, let me explain about avatar lighting [12:48] Walden Mannonen: okay, seeing shadows cast by a fence [12:48] You shout: in that photo [12:48] You shout: as you see in that photo, most lighting has two components: direct, and ambient [12:48] Runitai Linden is Offline [12:48] You shout: darn, my messages are not coming in order :\ [12:48] Iexo Bethune: Cut the chatter people, take it to IMs. [12:48] You shout: I'll try my best [12:49] You shout: in that photo, the yellowish parts, where the sun hits, is direct light [12:49] Karine Koba: yes chat lag is bad people SHUSH [12:49] You shout: the blue parts, in the shadows, [12:49] You shout: that's all ambient light [12:49] Dahlia Eilde: Karine every time you yell at someone you just make more noise, let the presenter handle it. [12:49] Q Linden is Offline [12:50] Karine Koba: damnit [12:50] SynsualSyn Sawson: no kidding [12:50] You shout: so here for example: [12:50] You shout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Cloudy_day_Halgrimmskirkja_Reykjavik_2005.JPG/450px-Cloudy_day_Halgrimmskirkja_Reykjavik_2005.JPG [12:50] Mari Moonbeam: third crash [12:50] You shout: there is no direct light [12:50] You shout: since it's overcast [12:50] Rex Cronon: i thought i was the only one that crashed [12:51] You shout: in computer graphcis we have the same thing- direct light and ambient light [12:51] Colton Linden is Offline [12:51] You shout: in the old SL viewer, [12:51] You shout: there was something like 90% ambient light [12:51] You shout: and very little direct from the sun [12:51] SynsualSyn Sawson: OK I m pout of here due to RUDE DISRESPECTFUL PEOPLE [12:51] BigPapi Linden is Online [12:51] You shout: so all avatar skins appeared reltively flat and uniform [12:52] Alan Beresford: i think , u can play with the lights in sl, must have the right textures and the right light specs [12:52] SynsualSyn Sawson: [12:50] Cummere Mayo: will you kindly STOP spaming the chat. youre one of the worst ones here. [12:50] SynsualSyn Sawson: I am NOT spamming [12:51] SynsualSyn Sawson: I said two things [12:52] SynsualSyn Sawson: not to mentiont eh cusiing at people [12:52] You shout: with the new viewer, we now have the option to direct all of this [12:52] Karine Koba: ok just leave bye [12:52] You shout: by default, avatars are appearing darker or shadowed [12:52] Kitty Barnett: (if you don't want to see other people's chat... set yourself "Busy" and only Linden chat makes it through) [12:52] You shout: not because anything different or special is being done *for avatars* [12:52] Alan Beresford: aha [12:53] You shout: but because we now handle direct light correctly [12:53] You shout: to undo this, for example [12:53] Karine Koba: oh ty kitty [12:53] You shout: go to World [12:53] You shout: Environment Settings [12:53] Detour Sideways shouts: pastrami so why do attaments and clothing which are exactly the same color, appear different? [12:53] You shout: Envrionment Editor [12:53] Runitai Linden is Online [12:53] You shout: Advanced Sky [12:53] You shout: Lighting [12:54] 0mega Pixel: the seats are broken [12:54] You shout: oh yeah, sorry, make sure you're in Midday first :) [12:54] You shout: World->Env Settings->Midday [12:54] You shout: now, in that Lighting tab [12:54] You shout: put your Sun/Moon Color to zero [12:55] You shout: using the "I" slider [12:55] You shout: and in the Ambient next to it [12:55] You shout: put your "I" at 0.7 [12:55] Colton Linden is Online [12:55] livinglight Yiyuan: colors are showing differently for me aswell [12:55] You shout: now you're in a much flatter lit world again [12:56] Alan Beresford: i think clothe an d attachments dont have the same lighting [12:56] Daten Thielt: if you do not have atmophiric shaders enabled you will not see a difference [12:56] Alan Beresford: is that right? [12:56] Mia Linden is Online [12:56] You shout: you WILL see a difference, even at Low [12:56] You shout: so now it's similar to an overcast day- but a bright one [12:56] Matthew Linden is Online [12:56] You shout: Sun/Moon is direct light [12:57] You shout: Ambient is, well, Ambient :) [12:57] You shout: so, heading into tnto the future [12:57] You shout: two things will likely occur- [12:57] You shout: we will soon make WindLight settings estate-settable and tradeable [12:57] Michael Linden is Online [12:57] You shout: so some people might like this flatter, old school look [12:58] You shout: but for those who want to get direct light in their scenes [12:58] You shout: avatar skins will probably start being designed brighter and with the new lighting model in mind [12:58] You shout: in order to get SL to hollywood special effects-level graphics [12:58] You shout: having both (direct and ambient) is crucial [12:59] You shout: now, we just have sunny days- [12:59] You shout: but using these sliders [12:59] You shout: you can dictate how much of each you want [12:59] Bridget Beresford: My goodness....all talk about new things and the last week has been pure hell! [12:59] You shout: and get it closer to overcast lighting [12:59] You shout: next topic: [12:59] Ghost Menjou: 3 questions here. [12:59] Iexo Bethune: People, please take it to IMs, we don't want to hear your chatter, we want to hear the Lindens. [12:59] You shout: Sunrise, Sunset- [12:59] You shout: I'll keep this one brief- [12:59] Ghost Menjou shouts: Will the UI be modifyable by an easy setting in prefferences(Color) . [13:00] Steve Linden is Offline [13:00] You shout: some people like the dramatic sunsets and sunrises [13:00] You shout: some hate them [13:00] Conover's Flight-Helper 6.3.3 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and operational. [13:00] Petronilla Whitfield: How do we get back to the way it looked before you had us change the settings? [13:00] BigPapi Linden is Offline [13:00] Brad Linden is Online [13:00] You shout: oh, Petronilla- good question [13:00] You shout: easisest way- set it back to Midday [13:00] You shout: in World-Env. Settings [13:00] You shout: anyway, re: Sunsets and Sunrise- [13:01] Everett Linden is Online [13:01] You shout: some like, some hate [13:01] You shout: but once we let estate owners decide, all of that goes away [13:01] You shout: a market will emerge, undoubtedly, for new skies [13:01] You shout: I picked colors I felt would be appealing to new users and old- [13:01] You shout: since midday gives you balance as it is [13:01] Detour Sideways: no there is no fast way to get the old sunset again which was a nice light to build in [13:01] 0mega Pixel shouts: could we include custom sky textures? [13:01] You shout: but, once you all start trading skies [13:01] Zena Juran: Hoooo! [13:02] You shout: we might hold a contest to make a new default day set [13:02] Zena Juran: Hoooo! [13:02] Zena Juran: Hoooo! [13:02] You shout: :) [13:02] Zena Juran: Hoooo! [13:02] You shout: so, point is- you can change the lighting now [13:02] Wrestling Hulka: I vote for Plaid sky day :D [13:02] You shout: and soon ensure everyone at your sim will see what you want [13:02] You shout: last issue: [13:02] You shout: Invisible Skirts [13:02] You shout: I'm letting Zen handle this one [13:02] Reggie Eames: Yes! [13:02] Wrestling Hulka: HOT [13:03] Tim Alvarado: bling off [13:03] Zen Linden shouts: Invisible skirts were not a rendering issue, unfortunately, it appeared to be a networking issues [13:03] Aminom Marvin: best feature ever [13:03] Tidd Kidd: euww aminom [13:03] BigPapi Linden is Online [13:03] George Linden is Offline [13:03] Zen Linden shouts: I was able to occasionally repro it under heavy packet loss conditions [13:03] Iexo Bethune: Cut the chatter please, people. [13:03] Zen Linden shouts: on both the viewer before and windlight [13:04] Rex Cronon: the network skirt thief? [13:04] Christian1981 Auer: translating in german please [13:05] Kurz Linden is Online [13:05] Zen Linden: if you're on a connection with a lot of packet loss (i.e. information not getting to and from the server), you may see this much more often [13:05] Tim Alvarado: bling off [13:05] Zen Linden shouts: if you're on a connection with a lot of packet loss (i.e. information not getting to and from the server), you may see this much more often [13:05] 0mega Pixel: http://www.google.com/translate_t [13:06] Zen Linden shouts: like on a wireless laptop far from the router [13:06] Faye Kirax shouts: Packets Lost: 466/20828 (2.2%) [13:06] You shout: yeah, this goes back to the "data vs. paint" analogy- this happens to be a data issue, so we don't paint it :( [13:07] Cerulean Capalini: I crashed a 4th time & was hear just for the skirt issues. Did we come up with a solution as to what we can do [13:07] Iexo Bethune: Keep the chatter in IMs, we DON'T want to hear it people./ [13:08] Zen Linden shouts: unfortunately, fixing it would require a retooling in some of the architecture of how we transfer data from the client to the server and back again. For use an unreliable protocol, UDP, and though we try to do things to make it reliable, we haven't caught every corner case [13:08] You shout: Okay, all of this was pretty basic, I know- so now we're ready for the next phase- before we begin, a few points first: [13:08] livinglight Yiyuan: sorry, didnt mean to bump into you all :/ [13:08] Whispering Hush shouts: thanks zen HOW MUCH MEMORY DO WE NEED? [13:08] Zen Linden shouts: not a memory problem [13:08] Iexo Bethune: Shut up, Hush! [13:08] You shout: I am HOPING I will be able to receive all the IMs [13:08] Whispering Hush shouts: THEN WHY ARE WE ALL RUNNING OUT? [13:09] Michael Timeless: Ok then what GPU and CPU are you using in YOUR LAB [13:09] Zen Linden shouts: The memory leak is another issue [13:09] Whispering Hush shouts: PLEASE MAKE MEMORY LEAKS A PRIORITY [13:09] Roxanne Hynes shouts: PLEASE PEOPLE LET PASTRAMI AND ZEN SPEAK - SOON ASK QUESTIONS IN IM TO THEM........ [13:09] Sumie Kawashima: Whisp, he was talking about the "Invisible Skirt" issue ;-) [13:09] livinglight Yiyuan: memory leaks are cauing alot of problums! [13:09] Wrestling Hulka: I call the memory leak a "Remember the Real LIfe" feature. [13:09] Zen Linden shouts: What we're hunting down presently looks like a leak in one of our libraries. We're presently experimenting with some heap profilers, but it may be a bit of a slog to narrow it down [13:10] You shout: and WE KNOW it's major [13:10] Ollipeist Balogh: UDP is exactly that - UNRELIABVLE! [13:10] Bao Linden is Online [13:10] You shout: okay [13:10] You shout: do NOT send me the same IM multiple times. And keep it clean! :) [13:10] You shout: GO! [13:10] Torley Linden is Offline [13:11] Levy Flanagan: What about teleporting problems that affect one avatar on a routine basis but another avatar whom lives on some parcel has no problems with teleporting. [13:11] You shout: Wow! [13:11] Wrestling Hulka: poor Pastrami :( [13:11] Mari Moonbeam: crash 5 [13:11] Karine Koba: lol [13:11] xvxRUBYxvx Praga: crash [13:11] You shout: noisy bunch, aren't ya? :) [13:11] Andromeda Hird: crash 5 [13:11] You shout: here we go [13:11] Karine Koba: you love it pastrami! [13:12] You shout: I FEEEEED OFF IT [13:12] You shout: and away we go: [13:12] Gwynn Blackburn: Thanks for taking the time to answer these questions Pastrami. [13:12] Unmitigated Gall: Just tired of being ignored by Linden Labs Pastrami [13:12] You shout: one other thing [13:12] Brad Linden is Offline [13:12] You shout: as we answer these [13:12] Monaxy Subagja: is anyone aware of the problem with created textured clothes, which when be put into a box or given to someone, will "lose" the origin clothes type icon (all went as shirt icon) since the 1.19 viewer? [13:12] You shout: please only chime in, ONLY, if it is related to the current issue [13:12] You shout: otherwise we'll never finish [13:13] You shout: Wrestling Hulka: When we MUTE other avatars there are functions that mute their Voice, Sounds, Text, and Particles. Is there any plans in the future to also Mute an avatar's lighting and GLOW? [13:13] Whispering Hush shouts: if we crash we get a free yell on relog k [13:13] Wrestling Hulka calls for a 24 Hour Townhall meeting. [13:13] Abby Callisto: lolllll [13:13] Adeel Cave is Online [13:13] You shout: Runitai, care to answer? [13:14] Runitai Linden: if you have avatar impostors on, muting an avatar will replace them wtith a grey silhouette of themselves [13:14] Rex Cronon: we have to im pastrami the questions? [13:14] Karine Koba: oh good to know [13:14] Karine Koba: yes rex [13:14] OggyWolf Rosewood shouts: How do we turn impostors off! [13:15] Cerulean Capalini: nice demo [13:15] Eddy Ofarrel: is that just using the standard mute option then Runitai? as in there isn't a seperate one for that? [13:15] Runitai Linden shouts: right, just the standard mute option [13:15] Zen Linden: / [13:15] Brad Linden is Online [13:16] Kooky Jetaime: ((OggyWolf - Graphics Preferences)) [13:16] Levy Flanagan: graphisc preferences in edit >>> Preferences hon will allow you to turn the impostor off [13:16] Arawn Spitteler has to turn Avatar Mute Off, to see anyone. [13:16] Arawn Spitteler: Avatar Imposters is impossible [13:16] Wrestling Hulka shouts: TY Runitai [13:16] You shout: Cummere Mayo: Patrami, i have to go, but i have a two part question. 1) why release a viewer that by bug traiges and feedback y'all knew wasnt ready, for release and has cause trouble for 2/3 the population, and 2) why are you dcontinuing to push move viewers that take away options many of us wanted and used? [13:17] You shout: 1) we only have one way to test stability and enhancements [13:17] You shout: we test it internally [13:17] Tidd Kidd: yes, like flashing IM tabs, removing that was a horror story [13:17] Kurz Linden is Offline [13:17] You shout: then wider [13:17] You shout: then wider [13:17] lufpleh Obstreperous: agrees with Arwan, if you have avatar impostors on often all you see is prim hair and shoes, invisible avtars [13:17] You shout: it has to get into your hadsn for a wide enough base for us to improve it [13:17] You shout: ^hands [13:17] Ollipeist Balogh: Internal checks will _NEVER_ find the problems with UDP - you're internal network is too reliable. [13:17] You shout: we will have the *exact* same hardware [13:18] You shout: and yet it will be fine on our machines [13:18] OggyWolf Rosewood shouts: I go to graphics within my pref tab, and all I got is Quality and Performance slider.... as for hardware options... all I got is gamma how the heck do I turn imposters off if I dont have that option! [13:18] Karine Koba: I'm disapointed I was hoping to get answers to my questions. we must have got like 5min of time for that and I'm told that I'm not on topic. [13:18] Karine Koba: see ya later [13:18] Dahlia Eilde shouts: what is with the flurry of stale transactions? And I dont are if his is on the agenda or not since this is an open forum I will take stability over a market of painted skies ANY day [13:18] Whispering Hush shouts: publish your damn internal machine specs [13:19] Eddy Ofarrel: tick Custom next to the quality and performance slider OggyWolf [13:19] You shout: 2) [13:19] Gellan Glenelg: Oggy: Edit, Preferences, Graphics, check "Custom".. look bottom left [13:19] BigPapi Linden: Hush: care to tone it down a bit? [13:19] Ford Roffo: spend money and upgrade .... easy [13:19] Michael Linden is Offline [13:19] Celierra Darling shouts: FYI - the visual muting that Runitai was talking about is probably in 1.20 only, not 1.19 yet... (at least, it's in the 1.20 release notes, not 1.19) [13:19] Ford Roffo: no problems [13:19] Nicolas Sinatra shouts: Amen to that, when can we see some fixes for the stale transaction issues? [13:19] You shout: I agree some things people like get borked [13:19] Sumie Kawashima: Hey, Thats MY Hush you're talking to! [13:19] You shout: the UI teams do their work [13:19] OggyWolf Rosewood shouts: thank you guys ^_^ I get more help from the crowd x3 [13:19] You shout: some good enw stuff gets introduced [13:19] Dahlia Eilde: yah Ford you just send us all that upgrade cheque then will ya? [13:19] You shout: ^new [13:20] You shout: but some goes away- they're always takign surveys and balancing [13:20] Unmitigated Gall: \you dont just bork things, u put people out of business Pastrami!! [13:20] Ford Roffo: then play something you can afford [13:20] Echo Linden is Offline [13:20] Ford Roffo: -shrug- [13:20] Aimee Trescothick: who do the surveys go to? [13:20] You shout: it's tough- most changes recieve 50% glowing praise [13:20] You shout: 50% disapproval [13:20] Mari Moonbeam: 50 % failure rate [13:20] Kitty Barnett blinks... what surveys? [13:20] Dahlia Eilde: Ford i could afford it without a paintedsky tyvm. [13:20] You shout: I'm honestly not sure- [13:20] You shout: it's not my team :\ [13:20] Ford Roffo: i just went out and got a HP gaming lappy cause old dell coundnt handle upgrade [13:20] You shout: I knowz the pixels :) [13:20] Cummere Mayo: I have to agree with unmitigated on that one pastrami. especially when at the bug triage meetings and the release meetings cg hsoted, consnesus was DONT release 1.19.4 yet [13:20] Ford Roffo: sl is free for cgrists sakes [13:21] Cummere Mayo: anywyas i have to go bye all [13:21] You shout: Cummere- [13:21] Aimee Trescothick: I know the UI team do anonymous testing with novice users, but they also need to do the same with experienced users [13:21] Michael Timeless: I don't know about most, but when my system crashes the crash logger cannot send to the server, how do you record your data? [13:21] Aimee Trescothick: or wejust end up with dumbed down software [13:21] You shout: our crashes and fps were higher on all our test machines [13:21] You shout: sorry [13:21] You shout: better [13:21] You shout: always make that mistake [13:21] You shout: crahses were LOWER [13:21] Master Rabeni: is anyone aware of the problem with created textured clothes, which when be put into a box or given to someone, will "lose" the origin clothes type icon (all went as shirt icon) since the 1.19 viewer? [13:21] You shout: fps higher [13:21] You: Master IM me [13:21] You shout: Master IM me [13:21] You shout: anyway, Cummere- [13:21] Master Rabeni: i did [13:22] You shout: it's a test base issue [13:22] You shout: we have on the order of 500 machines [13:22] Dahlia Eilde: Speaking of affording it. The stale transactons have to stop, it's hurting business owners. Do you know ho much money is lost in YOUR linden economy every time you put a hold on transactions on a saturday afternoon? [13:22] Master Rabeni: boy waht a nice bunch of people [13:22] You shout: we get it very stable [13:23] Celierra Darling: (Dahlia - wrong people to be complaining to, they can maybe pass it on but they don't work on that part of the system) [13:23] You shout: then we HAVE to go wider to gather the data to keep improving [13:23] Sumie Kawashima shrugs, I just go out and play ball if it's nice - we all spend too much time inside with this stuff anyways [13:23] You shout: most of us are now on crahs hunting [13:23] You shout: ^crash [13:23] Dahlia Eilde: getting 15 log in failures before actually geting grid access isn't stable. [13:23] pointside Sunbelter: /But your 500 machines are on the same network though right??????? [13:23] You shout: Kokoro Fasching: Is it possible to get a dianostic system, a lite client, that just tests connectivity between the client and the Linden Lab servers on all the required ports, espcially the upload ports? I have gotten many residents that are unable to upload due to port blockages, sometimes at client level, often at ISP level. Need to have Win/Mac/*nix test client. [13:23] Nicolas Sinatra shouts: and then crashing multiple times soon after isn't either. [13:24] Ilana Debevec shouts: SLURLS ARE BROKE! Everytime I tried to click on it, tried to launch a new copy of the client :) [13:24] Gwynn Blackburn shouts: People, PLEASE IM PASTRAMI with your questions! [13:24] You shout: Kokoro- a good idea [13:24] Ford Roffo: Crashing's ok, it's just draws out the sl experience a little longer :) [13:24] You shout: but we don't have anything like that [13:24] Unmitigated Gall: Ilana, I got that issue last night on 1.20... I had to uninstall all versions of SL and reload just 1.19.4 [13:24] Dahlia Eilde shouts: Why? So he can tell us they are off-topic? [13:25] Dirk Talamasca: There must be 50 ways to crash your viewer.. (everybody sing) [13:25] You shout: Karine Koba: Unless I zoom with my camera or that I’m close enough to avatars, i don’t seven see their movements when they walk or type, I have used different driver versions and got the same problem. same for my friends. [13:25] Dahlia Eilde: lol zing [13:25] Abby Callisto: lol@dirk [13:25] Kokoro Fasching shouts: Pastrami - It seems that with the current issues between the data and the paint models, that would be needed.. any plans to work on something like that? [13:25] Sumie Kawashima: You all DO know that there are different teams working on different parts of SL? THe Linden's here might not be on that team. [13:25] You shout: Karine, [13:25] You shout: your issue is almost certainly impostors- [13:25] You shout: do this [13:25] Zero Linden is Online [13:25] You shout: go to graphics in preferences [13:26] You shout: click on Custom [13:26] Everett Linden is Online [13:26] You shout: and move your avatar detail slider to Mid or High [13:26] You shout: if that doesn't work, [13:26] You shout: turn off Avatar Impostors in Avatar Rendering [13:27] You shout: "Tiff Trommler: my only comment...you should cool down on the new features for the viewer, and work on stability....everyone I know crashes a LOT!!! Also getting these smart heap mem errors a lot. and my friends are all getting VERY angry." [13:27] You shout: yes I agree! [13:27] JaneD DeCuir: nice avatar pastrami [13:27] OggyWolf Rosewood shouts: Thanks for the help crowd! Keep on rocking SL and enjoy your crashing x3 Free Tibet! [13:27] Nicolas Sinatra: Yes Tiff! [13:27] You shout: viewer features are slowing way down as we focus on crahses, memory leaks, and stability [13:27] Michael Linden is Online [13:27] Zen Linden shouts: Tiff: We are and we agree. I'm not working on windlight tradable assets until our crash rate is down substantially. [13:28] You shout: it comes in waves- [13:28] You shout: enhance, fix, enhance, fix [13:28] Nicolas Sinatra: indeed [13:28] Cold Spitteler: i dont crash, but it doesnt help when it takes 5 min to rez to move [13:28] You shout: we're in a BIG fix pattern right now [13:28] Ford Roffo: crashing gives you time to eat, pee, feed your pets, do household chores etc.. why all the complaints [13:28] Aimee Trescothick: are the crash buster actively working to pull in all the crash fixes Nicholaz et al have contributed? [13:28] Ford Roffo: it's only temporary [13:28] Nicolas Sinatra: Ford, seriously.. take your nose somewhere else, I bet it'll smell better. [13:28] Unmitigated Gall: Roll back media settings to those prior to the lame implementaition of "Web on a Prim" [13:28] Worsethe Dayafter: @ford - cos' tier, like rust, never sleeps? [13:29] livinglight Yiyuan: i crash alot, but it's how my charactor is looking with the new lighting which keeps me from roaming sl anymore :( [13:29] You shout: livinglight Yiyuan: the new sl -windlight lighting system for faces, skins, clothing and even hair has left clothing made and sold in sl looking drained of color. it was easy to use a face light to make your face show pretty (removing all shadows) but now the new lighting drains the color of your face. i dont know what to do anymore, the new lighting system is effecting myself and everyone who buys clothes all around secondlife, many clothes are not looking the way they are suposed to anymore, and my question is what will sl do about changing everyone's viewers to have a light that is skin, hair and clothing friendly again? [13:11] livinglight Yiyuan: it's tough to tell everyone to change there lighting, it would be better to have it set so that we could have stable lighting and just add color if we like, and not the other way around [13:29] You shout: livinglight- see my comments above about changing direct and ambient light [13:29] You shout: once it's estate settable, all the power will be yours [13:29] JaneD DeCuir: in a few words: its always a step back if you want to make a step forward, some know and some doesnt know how difficult sl is, have you thinked about different viewers for different locations around the world? im not a tech junkie but perhaps it would be a possibility to solve this endless crashes we have always. [13:29] livinglight Yiyuan: i did, but it's tough to tell people who are new how to do this. they just dont understand much of this:/ [13:30] 4Chan Ring of Epic: Runitai Linden a45d005f-142a-4535-9140-5bf8f85d8c52 [13:30] You shout: livinglight, that's why estate-settable will fix it [13:30] JaneD DeCuir: and the new server 2 is much faster then the old [13:30] DR Dahlgren shouts: Whats with the new Release Candidate 1.2 Are you really going to force Dazzle on us.. PLEASE SAY NO!! [13:30] Matthew Linden is Offline [13:30] You: Dithean Ringo: Graphics Card: Quadro FX 700/AGP/SSE2 OpenGL Version: 2.1.2 I had a great experience with RC 1.19.1 (4) but since it became the main viewer, I can't see ripples on the water or glow. I just see giant white splodges. Same with RC 1.20 What has changed and how do I get it back? [13:30] You shout: Dithean Ringo: Graphics Card: Quadro FX 700/AGP/SSE2 OpenGL Version: 2.1.2 I had a great experience with RC 1.19.1 (4) but since it became the main viewer, I can't see ripples on the water or glow. I just see giant white splodges. Same with RC 1.20 What has changed and how do I get it back? [13:30] Amaterasu Cinquetti shouts: what about mainland though? [13:30] livinglight Yiyuan: that sounds wonderfull, i look forward to this. thanks alot for listening!! ^_^ [13:30] You shout: Runitai? [13:31] JaneD DeCuir: boah, 5 lindens... [13:31] JaneD DeCuir: just my 2 cents.. [13:31] 4Chan Ring of Epic: Pastrami Linden 6e02af19-df6f-4c8d-9c0f-e8684e91ec63 [13:31] JaneD DeCuir: *laugh [13:31] BigPapi Linden: File a bug report, that sounds like a driver bug that's getting triggered by some trivial change since 1.19.4 [13:31] BigPapi Linden shouts: File a bug report, that sounds like a driver bug that's getting triggered by some trivial change since 1.19.4 [13:31] Dithean Ringo: ah ok *^_^* thank you [13:31] Runitai Linden shouts: We primarily test on GeForce cards [13:31] JaneD DeCuir: and ATI? [13:31] Runitai Linden shouts: and Quadros use different drivers [13:32] Abby Callisto: I use GeForce [13:32] 4Chan Ring of Epic: No resident named "BigPapi Linden" found in the w-hat name2key database [13:32] BigPapi Linden: Yes and ATI's [13:32] Dithean Ringo shouts: thank you - I'll do that [13:32] JaneD DeCuir: ati is better [13:32] JaneD DeCuir: for me... [13:32] Unmitigated Gall: Guys, 1.2 is causeing big issues with 1.19.4... Please fix that [13:32] You shout: Gwynn Blackburn: So the answer to the invisible skirt issue is... what? [13:22] Gwynn Blackburn: Sorry to bother you, but I crashed. You didn't answer my question yet, I hope? [13:32] You shout: Gwynn [13:32] Shirley Marquez: the Omega drivers let you run the GeForce drivers on Quadro cards -- could be worth a try if all else fails [13:32] JaneD DeCuir: why you have disabled the uuid reading? [13:32] Amaterasu Cinquetti: we can tell (on ati) that is why so many users with those cards have issues *sighs* [13:32] AlwaysIcey Mapholisto shouts: Then why is someone on an 8800 GT having seriuos lag. The example given is "If you use the scroll bars without a video card support, how jittery everything gets" [13:32] You shout: answer is, it's been preliminarily linked to netowkr issues- [13:33] Aimee Trescothick: to be pedantic it's 1.19.1 (4) btw to avoid confusion [13:33] JaneD DeCuir: ati has finer driver adjustments then nvidia [13:33] Arius Questi shouts: grrr, out of memory again, can't even make through meeting, 2 times now [13:33] You shout: so get on a fiexd landline connection [13:33] You shout: ^fixed [13:33] You shout: or a good wireless [13:33] Detour Sideways: so why do skirts work fine in the non WL viewer? [13:33] Iexo Bethune: ATIs are crap anyway. I use GeForce. xD [13:33] Cerulean Capalini: what if we can't? I live in the middle of the country and havd the best dsl. Worked till windlight. Hasn't worked since. I can do nothing? [13:33] Kokoro Fasching shouts: To cut down on memory leak, and stablize client, zoom in on Pastrami tight [13:33] Detour Sideways: and why arent network issues effecting other items? [13:33] Linden Village Networked Kiosk: Thank you! Your notecard will be delivered to you soon! [13:33] JaneD DeCuir: ati is better [13:33] Kooky Jetaime: I'm at 1.8GB, and about to lose it. [13:33] Zen Linden shouts: Detour: i saw the same issue on 1.18 [13:33] Seraph Linden is Online [13:33] JaneD DeCuir: anyway [13:33] Runitai Linden shouts: let's not have a debate over ATI vs. Nvidia, both are fine [13:33] 4Chan Ring of Epic: Cogsworth Linden e1e76ea5-6746-4bdc-8b1c-a9b82c15270c [13:34] Master Rabeni: sorry [13:34] JaneD DeCuir: nvidias are a bit faster in slow resolution settings [13:34] Glenn Linden is Online [13:34] JaneD DeCuir: watch the reviev at thg.com [13:34] You shout: Unmitigated Gall: This is so frustrating!!! THREE IMPORTANT ISSUES: 1) Your mandatory client upgrades are killing schools and teachers, they have budget and hardware issues that you guys seem completely oblivious to. 2) You have redone the Media tools, and broke them terrible. Media tools that used to work flawlessly for group presentations are now completly dead, thanks to the Web on a prim crapola!!! 3) The JIRA is being ignored, important issues are going uncommented on and ignored. [13:34] Master Rabeni: crashed again. twice now since being here. [13:35] Green Linden is Online [13:35] Jeremy Linden is Online [13:35] Master Rabeni: did they answer the question yet? [13:35] Rex Cronon: i crased at least 4 times:( [13:35] You shout: 1) 1.19.0 is the latest mandatory- but we will keep it so for a long time [13:35] Iexo Bethune: At least yours don't get closed for no good reason almost immediately after they're posted, Gall. [13:35] Cerulean Capalini realises she's screwed & stuck on pants. Has no packet loss, no skirt, & has no network issues on her end. Leaves to cry in her unused sl closet [13:35] JaneD DeCuir: any computer is different, that the problem [13:35] Kitty Hirsch shouts: i just downloaded Dazzle right after the "meltdown" it works perfect! i had the same result when 1.19.4 was in the Beta stage..when it became standard it lagged SO bad...wil that happen whe Dazzle (1.20.1) becomes madatory [13:35] Master Rabeni: sad. really sad. it is terrible. :( [13:35] Shirley Marquez: Gall has a point -- the new media parcel code broke some existing content. One example I know about is the CSI:NY toolbar [13:35] DR Dahlgren shouts: NO DAZZLE !!!! [13:35] Ace Altstatter: are you guys all on the beta? [13:35] You shout: mandatory downloads are bad when yuo have a slow connection [13:35] JaneD DeCuir: windlight was more pretty then dazzle [13:36] You shout: I agree [13:36] You shout: but, we have to get people on to recent code [13:36] Kitty Hirsch shouts: i have wireless in the next room [13:36] You shout: it makes debugging and improvement MUCH better [13:36] Shirley Marquez: JaneD, the new Dazzle RC also has WindLight [13:36] DR Dahlgren: D