Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2011-09-08

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This meeting was held on September 08th, 2011

Agenda

  • It's September. Christmas is right around the corner. Is your shopping done yet?
  • Whats the current status on pivots for mesh? [Motor Loon]

Updates

Upcoming Stuff

  • andrew's script performance tweaks

Transcript of Oskar Linden's Beta Server Office Hour for September 08th, 2011:

  • [14:59] Jacky Scharf: Gooooood evening ladies and gentlemen. ㋡
  • [14:59] Oskar Linden: hi everyone
  • [14:59] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:00] Fancy Greeter: Coyot Linden has arrived!
  • [15:00] Homeless: hi Oskar
  • [15:00] Fancy Greeter: Maestro Linden has arrived!
  • [15:00] Oskar Linden: we'll wait a bit and let people rez
  • [15:01] Motor Loon: so... all day eh? °͜°
  • [15:01] Nalates Urriah: small crowd...
  • [15:01] WolfPup Lowenhar: thx just got here my self and still loading
  • [15:01] Oskar Linden: how was everyone's week?
  • [15:01] Homeless: should be loaded by next thursday
  • [15:01] Lares Carter: very busy week :/
  • [15:01] Talia Malaspina: Holy farking shiite! Hello
  • [15:01] Motor Loon: ey Maestro... could you give me a footrub since you're in here anyway?
  • [15:01] Nalates Urriah: Hot in SoCal
  • [15:02] Oskar Linden: Seattle finally got summer
  • [15:02] Oskar Linden: it's been nice
  • [15:02] Jacky ScharfJacky Scharf .oO( Coyot wants to swim away? He needs water? )
  • [15:02] Nalates Urriah: It rained and then got hot. Ugh! Not SoCal weather
  • [15:02] Motor LoonMotor Loon remembers "summer" from vacations to countries NOT Denmark...
  • [15:02] Oskar Linden: ahh summer
  • [15:03] Motor Loon: worst summer in over 40 years here °͜°
  • [15:03] Oskar Linden: i need to get my car finished soon so I can start cruising
  • [15:03] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:03] Oskar Linden: Seattle office had ice cream today
  • [15:03] Nalates Urriah: yum
  • [15:03] Motor Loon: what flavor?
  • [15:03] WolfPup Lowenhar: lucky folks there in Seattle
  • [15:03] Oskar Linden: vanilla bean dipped in chocolate
  • [15:04] Motor Loon: mmmmh....
  • [15:04] Motor LoonMotor Loon drools a little...
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: alright
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: let's get this party started
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
  • [15:04] Rex Cronon: greetings
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: there is the agenda
  • [15:04] Coyot Linden: In soviet union, party finds you
  • [15:04] Oskar Linden: I had hoped to have a special linden guest today
  • [15:05] Motor Loon: pretty big agenda... we'll be here a while
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: well I mean of course all lindens are special
  • [15:05] Nalates Urriah: :) right
  • [15:05] Coyot Linden: "special"
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: but a new linden you have not met yet
  • [15:05] Motor Loon: shortbus will be here in 5
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: he had a meeting he couldn't get out of
  • [15:05] Latif Khalifa: falcon is pretty "special" :P
  • [15:05] Oskar Linden: so next week we'll have Gez Linden here
  • [15:05] Nalates Urriah: He knew he was gona get hazed
  • [15:05] Motor Loon: cool name
  • [15:06] Rex Cronon: geez?
  • [15:06] Homeless: all Lindens are special but some are more special than others?
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: he's just gonna talk about some cool new things we're working on
  • [15:06] Rex Cronon: oh gez
  • [15:06] Motor Loon: hehe
  • [15:06] Motor Loon: we'll have fun with that name
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: he's a sharp guy. I like his projects
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: but that's all I can say
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: ;-)
  • [15:06] Nalates Urriah: Is his middle name 'these'
  • [15:06] Oskar Linden: and now that I have fueled your curiosity I will evade further questions and jump into the agenda
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: thankfully this week has been fairly tame
  • [15:07] Motor Loon: soo.. next week = early xmas presents?
  • [15:07] Coyot Linden: It is only Sept. for heaven's sake
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: we've had so many crazy weeks this year it's nice when we can have a week when things just seem to go the way they're supposed to
  • [15:07] Motor Loon: never too early for presents
  • [15:07] Oskar Linden: right coyot?
  • [15:07] Coyot Linden: RIGHT
  • [15:07] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: sometimes this place feels like NASA Mission Control
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: and every week is a moon landing
  • [15:08] Motor Loon: True that
  • [15:08] TankMaster Finesmith: wouldnt that be something... weekly moon landings...
  • [15:08] Coyot Linden: Grand Central. Next deploy leaving the station at noon.
  • [15:08] Homeless: and no Apollo 13's
  • [15:08] Motor Loon: sometimes the rockets even explode on liftoff °͜°
  • [15:08] Oskar Linden: the velocity is great for SL, but managing it is quite a process
  • [15:09] Oskar Linden: The BlueSteel code got promoted this week
  • [15:09] Coyot Linden: Sometimes you're the windshield...
  • [15:09] Oskar Linden: this was a lot of the prim and parcel rezzing fixes
  • [15:09] Homeless: Morris should be made into a lunar landscape
  • [15:10] Oskar Linden: maestro do you have any details on the changes now that they've shipped and are live
  • [15:11] Maestro Linden: Yep, so the promoted bluesteel code had a sim crasher caused by a nasty LSL script that the compiler would hang on
  • [15:11] Homeless: and replace the moon with the earth in the sky
  • [15:11] Maestro Linden: also there were fixes to several longstanding issues with object entry rules, particularly around region boundaries
  • [15:11] Motor Loon: thats a good one to fix, thank you °͜°
  • [15:12] Maestro Linden: for example, it was possible to rez an object across a region boundary using a script, even if parcels on both sides disallowed object entry and object rez
  • [15:12] WolfPup Lowenhar: hey Tank Master
  • [15:12] TankMaster Finesmith: howdy
  • [15:12] Nalates Urriah: Was that the Meeroos problem?
  • [15:12] Maestro Linden: yep
  • [15:12] Maestro Linden: are you familiar with ATM skimmers?
  • [15:12] Nalates Urriah: Yes
  • [15:13] Maestro Linden: fake card readers that get attached to RL ATMs
  • [15:13] Motor Loon: ooh yes... damn clever criminals
  • [15:13] Maestro Linden: it was like that with some popular vendors, such as meeroo food vendors
  • [15:13] Latif Khalifa: yeah i found those fake transparent vendors on my sim too
  • [15:13] Maestro Linden: transparent objects would enter vendors' parcels and try to trick people to give money to them
  • [15:13] Flip Idlemind: Someone mentioned (and I've seen) that vehicles (that you're sitting on) can no longer move onto parcels without enough prims to support them. Is that a still-unresolved bug, or expected behavior now?
  • [15:13] Maestro Linden: with the fixes, it'll be harder to get those items in a parcel if object entry and build are disabled
  • [15:14] Maestro Linden: that's a bug, FLIP
  • [15:14] Motor Loon: That should be in the works atleast Flip
  • [15:14] Maestro Linden: the vehicle should be ok as long as the avatar sits on it
  • [15:14] Homeless: would autoreturn get rid of those objects?
  • [15:14] Motor Loon: I was asking about that last week I think it was
  • [15:14] Maestro Linden: it should only be returned once the last passenger stands up
  • [15:14] Latif Khalifa: well you can still sit on the fake vender and edit move it over into a parcel
  • [15:14] Motor Loon: highly annoying bug btw
  • [15:15] Latif Khalifa: so if one parcel on the sim is rez, all parcels on the sims are rez
  • [15:15] Maestro Linden: that's also fixed in certain cases, Latif
  • [15:15] Motor Loon: autoreturn can also sort those cases real easy
  • [15:16] Oskar Linden: we did not have a new code candidate ready for BlueSteel
  • [15:16] Oskar Linden: so BlueSteel matches trunk
  • [15:16] Latif Khalifa: I always had the problem with that. I want my store to be rez with autoreturn so people can unpack, but if I do that then can rez there, sit, and move anywhere else
  • [15:16] Jacky Scharf: What's the full name of these vendors?
  • [15:17] Maestro Linden: I imagine they take on unlimited kinds of names
  • [15:17] Motor Loon: they'd name them like your vendors jacky
  • [15:17] Jacky Scharf: Damned.
  • [15:17] Motor Loon: when was the "edit freezes physical objects" fix in for deploys?
  • [15:17] Jacky Scharf: Ok, thx.
  • [15:17] Maestro Linden: ah, that's in the pipeline as well, Motor. that branch might see RC next week.
  • [15:17] Motor Loon: thats a God fix too
  • [15:17] Motor Loon: I luv' it
  • [15:17] Motor Loon: I luv' Lindens
  • [15:17] Latif Khalifa: yeah
  • [15:18] Rex Cronon: u could have your vendors change name randomly:)
  • [15:18] Oskar Linden: a god fix?
  • [15:18] Maestro Linden: so that branch also has some other stuff..
  • [15:18] Maestro Linden: meshy parameters will be scriptable
  • [15:18] Motor Loon: Looking forward to that
  • [15:18] Motor Loon: yaay
  • [15:18] Talia Malaspina: Wheeeeeee!!
  • [15:18] Maestro Linden: like the physics material properties (gravity etc) for an object,
  • [15:18] Motor Loon: more than just the "shape" ?
  • [15:18] Motor Loon: ah
  • [15:18] Motor Loon: goodie
  • [15:19] Oskar Linden: that's cool
  • [15:19] Maestro Linden: and also a new prim params flag, PRIM_PHYSICS_SHAPE_TYPE
  • [15:19] Motor Loon: thats the ubercool one
  • [15:19] Motor Loon: I need that one for my big boat project °͜°
  • [15:19] Maestro Linden: which, as it turns out, isn't really any worse than llSetPos() on a child prim in linkset, or setting PRIM_TYPE
  • [15:19] Maestro Linden: also there's a new function, llGetMassMKS()
  • [15:19] Maestro Linden: which returns the mass in kg
  • [15:20] Motor Loon: oh... nice
  • [15:20] Maestro Linden: we decided that llGetMass() really returns in units of 100kg
  • [15:20] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden wants PRIM_PHYSICS_RELATIVISTIC
  • [15:20] Maestro Linden: so llGetMassMKS() is basically just a scaled version of llGetMass() =P
  • [15:20] Oskar Linden: nice
  • [15:20] Maestro Linden: hm let's see, there's also supposed to be a fix for SVC-6955
  • [15:20] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-6955] Attempt to rez object failed, item is not returned, missing from database https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6955
  • [15:20] Latif Khalifa: PRIM_PHYSICS_DISABLE_PE? :p
  • [15:21] Maestro Linden: and SVC-7169
  • [15:21] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7169] Folders are Texture Category Folders https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7169
  • [15:21] Motor Loon: haha
  • [15:21] Homeless: I'm looking forward to PRIM_PHYSICS_LIQUID
  • [15:21] Maestro Linden: and SCR-53
  • [15:21] Flame of Jira: [#SCR-53] llSensorRepeat not triggering no_sensor unless a sensor event handler is present https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SCR-53
  • [15:21] Motor Loon: You guys have been busy °͜°
  • [15:21] Latif Khalifa: SVC-7169 is really nasty I hope it gets promoted the next week
  • [15:21] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7169] Folders are Texture Category Folders https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7169
  • [15:21] Maestro Linden: oh and, llCastRay() is enabled there
  • [15:21] Oskar Linden: cast ray
  • [15:22] Maestro Linden: (not to be confused with llCastrate())
  • [15:22] Oskar Linden: o.O
  • [15:22] Motor Loon: lol
  • [15:22] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
  • [15:22] Coyot Linden: See this is why I make those jokes
  • [15:22] Talia Malaspina: Noooo!
  • [15:22] Coyot Linden: Cause if I don't someone else will. :P
  • [15:22] ATechwolf FoxclawATechwolf Foxclaw hides
  • [15:22] Rex Cronon: if u make lazers with it...
  • [15:22] Maestro Linden: ok, so that's one project
  • [15:22] ATechwolf Foxclaw: Me like balls.
  • [15:22] Oskar Linden: set AVATAR_GENDER 0;
  • [15:23] Maestro Linden: another project is some "mesh maint-server", which has some mesh bugfixes
  • [15:23] Nalates Urriah: CastRay is enabled where?
  • [15:23] Motor LoonMotor Loon almost wanna do grouphugs for all the fixes there
  • [15:23] Oskar Linden: we can group hug
  • [15:23] Motor Loon: yaay
  • [15:23] Oskar Linden: can we all fit in that tub?
  • [15:23] Talia Malaspina: What's worse, plywood balls or a cardboard box?
  • [15:23] Maestro Linden: which ahs a fix for SVC-7201, SVC-7231 ..
  • [15:23] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7201] receiving messages from Ozimal bunnies about not being allowed on my sim https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7231
  • [15:23] Flame of Jira: [#SVC-7231] Vehicles can no longer enter parcels with not enough prims to support the vehicle even when *not* crossing a sim boundry https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7231
  • [15:24] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:24] Maestro Linden: hmm and some other misc. changes
  • [15:24] Motor Loon: ah yes, 7231 that was the one
  • [15:24] Flip Idlemind: Aha, that's the one was talking about
  • [15:24] Maestro Linden: a lot of it's related to parcel resource bugs
  • [15:24] Coyot Linden: It's just part and parcel of what we do.
  • [15:25] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:26] Maestro Linden: Hm, that's about all we have
  • [15:26] Motor Loon: do we have aditi sandboxes with water anywhere btw?
  • [15:26] Rex Cronon: rausch has some water
  • [15:26] Maestro Linden: Maybe you can rez boats near Murray?
  • [15:26] Motor Loon: okies
  • [15:26] Maestro Linden: or in that kapor/rosedale lake
  • [15:26] Maestro Linden: Mnemosyne looks aquatic
  • [15:27] Motor Loon: neat
  • [15:27] Oskar Linden: we can make a water sandbox I guess
  • [15:27] Motor Loon: mabye just half water would be excellent
  • [15:27] Coyot Linden: The top half?
  • [15:27] Rex Cronon: put a big lake at sandbox weapons testing:)
  • [15:27] Motor Loon: yeah °͜°
  • [15:27] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
  • [15:28] Oskar Linden: there we go
  • [15:28] Coyot Linden: tsunami!!!!!
  • [15:28] Motor Loon: dont have to be deeper than the bottom
  • [15:28] Talia Malaspina: Noooo!
  • [15:28] Coyot LindenCoyot Linden is glad he is on higher ground
  • [15:28] Homeless: just like Venice!
  • [15:28] Motor Loon: just ... with less piss in the water
  • [15:28] Coyot Linden: except not as smelly ;)
  • [15:28] Motor Loon: °͜°
  • [15:28] Latif Khalifa: true that lol
  • [15:29] Rex Cronon: need a motorboat?
  • [15:29] Homeless: could make the water cloudy and green
  • [15:29] Oskar Linden: who has a boat we can finish this meeting in
  • [15:29] Motor Loon: I have my mesh boat .. not quite finished though
  • [15:29] Coyot Linden: The whole world is a boat sailing through space.
  • [15:30] Talia Malaspina: Mesh boat...doesn't sound entirely sea worthy.
  • [15:30] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:30] Homeless: I'm also a boatless resident
  • [15:30] Coyot Linden: haha
  • [15:30] Motor LoonMotor Loon points impatiently to the agenda while jumping up and down trying to hold his breath...
  • [15:30] Oskar Linden: hah
  • [15:30] Oskar Linden shouts: I'm CAPTAIN
  • [15:31] Oskar Linden: no one wants on the boat huh?
  • [15:31] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
  • [15:31] Motor Loon: well, I didnt put a beer cooler on it yet... probably why
  • [15:31] Oskar Linden: anyways
  • [15:31] Grid Crash Protection Box: Flip Idlemind, you are no longer protected from the vagaries of the Grid - beware!
  • [15:31] ATechwolf Foxclaw: What boat? All I see are some prims.
  • [15:32] Motor Loon: shame on you
  • [15:32] Oskar Linden: i see a huge boat
  • [15:32] Talia Malaspina: We're gonna need a bigger boat.
  • [15:32] Rex Cronon: mesh?
  • [15:32] Oskar Linden: it is a mesh boat
  • [15:32] Oskar Linden: it's a nice one
  • [15:32] TankMaster Finesmith: not much of a boat if you fall throat hte consol
  • [15:33] Oskar Linden: ther ereally isn't too much to announce this week
  • [15:33] Oskar Linden: no new projects on the RC's
  • [15:33] Flip Idlemind: Not even the super secret stuff?
  • [15:34] Lares Carter: is there a changelog available for the 240something server for magnum?
  • [15:34] Oskar Linden: next week
  • [15:34] Oskar Linden: maybe
  • [15:34] Flip Idlemind: You know if there's nothing else to talk about, you automatically have to reveal secret projects
  • [15:34] Oskar Linden: :-)
  • [15:34] Oskar Linden: hmm
  • [15:34] Oskar Linden: ok
  • [15:34] Latif Khalifa: promote LeTigre next week :D That inv-folder-as-system-folder is really bugging me ;)
  • [15:34] Oskar Linden: we've got this new ********** project
  • [15:34] Motor Loon: sounds secret °͜°
  • [15:34] Oskar Linden: it will take your ******** and ******** the ******** when you ********
  • [15:35] Motor LoonMotor Loon starts up the enigma decoder
  • [15:35] Maestro Linden: actually, there is 1 thing that isn't secret in that secret project
  • [15:35] Oskar Linden: it's amazing to see a ********** really ************ and **********
  • [15:35] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:35] Maestro Linden: llGenerateKey(), which generates a random UUID
  • [15:35] Coyot Linden: Damn. I totally read that as llGenerateKelly()
  • [15:35] Latif Khalifa: lol
  • [15:36] Motor Loon: either very usefull
  • [15:36] Motor LoonMotor Loon grins
  • [15:36] Talia Malaspina: Only if Kelly knows how to clean my bathroom.
  • [15:36] Latif Khalifa: llCloneLinden(string firstName) :P
  • [15:36] Oskar Linden: what params would it take?
  • [15:36] Oskar Linden: it would have a sleep time of 8 hours though
  • [15:36] Oskar Linden: hah
  • [15:36] Latif Khalifa: lol
  • [15:36] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
  • [15:37] TankMaster Finesmith: only 8?
  • [15:37] Flip Idlemind: Oh speaking of first names, what about getting someone's key by their name, like llRequestAgentKey() or something
  • [15:37] Flip Idlemind: Im sure Im not the first person to propose it, but I was just reminded of it
  • [15:37] Talia Malaspina: Yes, please, that would be very handy sometimes.
  • [15:37] Oskar Linden: llRequestAgentKey(key)
  • [15:37] Motor Loon: haha
  • [15:38] Oskar Linden: that could work
  • [15:38] Motor Loon: sounds tricky to implement °͜°
  • [15:38] Oskar Linden: alright. well as far as the agenda goes I am out of updates
  • [15:38] Talia Malaspina: There are third-party web sites that provide the service now, but their data is incomplete, and using them depends on THEIR continued existance.
  • [15:38] Oskar Linden: if you want to hound coyot or maestro with questions feel free
  • [15:38] Motor Loon: oh oh oh
  • [15:38] Motor Loon: mesh pivots?
  • [15:38] Motor Loon: no?
  • [15:38] Motor Loon: yes?
  • [15:38] Motor Loon: no?
  • [15:39] Maestro Linden: maybe later?
  • [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: maybe
  • [15:39] Motor Loon: sighs
  • [15:39] Motor Loon: aww
  • [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: perhaps
  • [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: if they fell like it
  • [15:39] Motor Loon: I think yes
  • [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: and have time
  • [15:39] Motor Loon: yes is good
  • [15:39] TankMaster Finesmith: :D
  • [15:39] Flip Idlemind: As long as it's picky about requiring your full name I don't see it being much harder than llRequestAgentData(their_key, DATA_NAME)
  • [15:39] Coyot Linden: time is finite, work is not
  • [15:39] Motor Loon: I'll trade with sparkleponys
  • [15:39] Flip Idlemind: But I may not see everything
  • [15:39] Oskar Linden: next week I'll be wearing my pony avatar
  • [15:40] Coyot Linden: pwny
  • [15:40] Motor Loon: I'll bring carrots and promose to pet you then
  • [15:40] Flip Idlemind: Viewer 2
  • [15:40] Motor Loon: ...in a very manly almost non sexual way ofcourse
  • [15:40] Rex Cronon: we already have a page with our key. u could make a nother page with our name, and have one point to the other:)
  • [15:40] Oskar Linden: thanks motor
  • [15:40] Motor Loon: yw
  • [15:41] Flip Idlemind: Who loves how my whole av is Viewer 2-colored
  • [15:41] Motor Loon: "So, we got mesh - do you Linden have a sense of how it's being used yet, or too early for that still? Are you happy with it?"
  • [15:41] Oskar Linden: it's a little too early
  • [15:41] Oskar Linden: but I have seen some good uses
  • [15:41] TankMaster Finesmith: v2 has colors? i thought it was just shades of gray :P
  • [15:41] Coyot Linden: Rubber ducks
  • [15:41] Motor Loon: haven't seen SUPER many products on marketplace yet
  • [15:41] Motor Loon: but lots of viewer still dont support it ofcourse
  • [15:42] Motor Loon: viewers
  • [15:42] Flip Idlemind: I picked up the freebie Mesh Kitty av from the MOTD and I ♥ it...only problem is most people can't see me correctly in it T_T
  • [15:42] TankMaster Finesmith: Firestorm is mesh capable now, that should help some
  • [15:42] Flip Idlemind: Firestorm
  • [15:42] Maestro Linden: I got a mesh suit
  • [15:42] Flip Idlemind: Now I'm Firestorm-colored :D
  • [15:42] Maestro Linden: which looks a lot better than the suit i'm wearing now
  • [15:42] Motor Loon: Firestorm does now... just not uploads yet
  • [15:43] Flip Idlemind: Blame the Havok corporation for that
  • [15:43] Talia Malaspina: Is the FS upload shortcomming a technical or legal issue?
  • [15:43] Opensource Obscure: wrt mesh-capable viewers , Kirstens is no more. project freezed-closed for now.
  • [15:43] Motor Loon: Kirstens support it all... just saw today its being discontinued though ;-(
  • [15:43] Oskar Linden: this is a nice boat motor
  • [15:43] TankMaster Finesmith: licencing issue
  • [15:43] Talia Malaspina: ok
  • [15:43] Motor Loon: Thank you Oskar
  • [15:43] TankMaster Finesmith: the lib LL uses is closed sorce
  • [15:43] TankMaster Finesmith: theres work being done on an open source version, but its not ready yet
  • [15:44] Talia Malaspina: NIfty. Thank you.
  • [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: kirstian's is using the leaked LL lib
  • [15:44] Motor Loon: I had really been whining ALOT about mesh and espicially the PE accounting... but now... after playing with it on a big project for a weeks time... I kinda have changed my views on it
  • [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: thats why his can upload
  • [15:44] Flip Idlemind: I'm, like...thinking more clearly than usual right now...we should have all the meetings on a boat
  • [15:44] Oskar Linden: why is that motor?
  • [15:44] Latif Khalifa: You can get v1 ui viewers with mesh too now. Astra/Singularity adn Cool VL Viewer
  • [15:44] Motor Loon: why I was whining or why I changed my mind?
  • [15:44] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:44] Oskar Linden: yes
  • [15:44] Oskar Linden: :-)
  • [15:44] Motor Loon: hehe
  • [15:44] Flip Idlemind: Singularity
  • [15:44] Flip Idlemind: Now I'm Singularity-colored
  • [15:44] TankMaster Finesmith: singularity doesn't yet support mesh
  • [15:45] Motor Loon: Was whining because it seems everything got to be way high PE compared to doing things with sculpties
  • [15:45] posJump: Hello, Avatar!
  • [15:45] Avatar: Hello, posJump!
  • [15:45] Motor Loon: Changed my mind, because it really IS possible to get it to a decent level even with the new accounting... its all a tradeoff though ofcourse
  • [15:45] Latif Khalifa: PE will be the reason mesh ins't used much for rezzed objects
  • [15:45] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:46] Motor Loon: There are minus's and plus's
  • [15:46] Flip Idlemind: Kurt30 Tester sure likes to make an entrance...over and over <.<
  • [15:46] Motor Loon: I took this whole boat... scaled it way down... ended up with a 7 PE object or so... totally amazing
  • [15:46] Oskar Linden: he's indecisive
  • [15:46] Latif Khalifa: Motor 1:1 scale to PE ratio simpkly kills mesh
  • [15:46] Maestro Linden: there are some pretty good looking mesh vehicles out there, which aren't all that high in PE
  • [15:46] TankMaster Finesmith: probbaly on v3 with a nvidia card and crashing :P
  • [15:46] Latif Khalifa: for anything that is bigger than a chair
  • [15:46] Motor Loon: the LODs is really the killer
  • [15:46] Flip Idlemind: Hah, "crashing"? What's that?
  • [15:46] Motor Loon: for high PE's
  • [15:46] posJump 0: Hello, Avatar!
  • [15:46] Avatar: Hello, posJump 0!
  • [15:47] Motor Loon: You want good LOD, you pay the price
  • [15:47] Motor Loon: Problem with that
  • [15:47] Motor Loon: is
  • [15:47] Latif Khalifa: you don't pay the price. you go back to prims and sculpts, and mesh doesn't get used
  • [15:47] Motor Loon: creators might start to not care about people with lowend systems
  • [15:47] Motor Loon: Had those thoughts myself
  • [15:48] Oskar Linden: yeah you get that already
  • [15:48] Oskar Linden: it's a hard balance though
  • [15:48] Motor Loon: yep
  • [15:48] TankMaster Finesmith: nice jeep, maestro
  • [15:48] Motor Loon: Been going back and forth at lot to figure out what kind of min. system my products should require
  • [15:49] Motor Loon: because supporting 1990 hardware with mesh objects... does make them too high PE
  • [15:49] Flip Idlemind: Idk if anyone's aware but I make puzzle cubes...big ones
  • [15:49] Oskar Linden: orly?
  • [15:49] Flip Idlemind: However I'm limited to how big because of how many prims you can link
  • [15:49] Latif Khalifa: one really sad thing about PE is that it encourages inefficient content and physics
  • [15:49] Flip Idlemind: I was really hoping I could, somehow, make a mesh-cube with .5 PE
  • [15:49] Flip Idlemind: Which I did, BUT
  • [15:49] Motor Loon: it could go pretty damn big though eh?
  • [15:49] Flip Idlemind: If it's scripted
  • [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Apparently the minimum PE is the actual number of prims
  • [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Made me sad
  • [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Oh well
  • [15:50] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:50] Flip Idlemind: scramble
  • [15:50] Motor Loon: neat
  • [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Biggest I have is 7x7x7
  • [15:50] Latif KhalifaLatif Khalifa blames falkon for "brilliant" idea of linking PE and scale 1:1
  • [15:50] Flip Idlemind: Beyond that it's too many prims to link
  • [15:50] Motor Loon: that sounds odd though... 7x7x7.... with 64m linking rules?
  • [15:51] Latif Khalifa: i would like to know which other linden came up with equally brilliant "streaming cost" for prims. i bet it's runtai
  • [15:51] Latif Khalifa: those tw really need adult supervision ;)
  • [15:51] Opensource Obscure: (( not related but .. I can reproduce SVC-5271 here - those interested may try on Agni and comment))
  • [15:51] Flip Idlemind: 7x7x7 cube is 219 prims :O
  • [15:51] Oskar Linden: ok latif I get the idea
  • [15:51] Motor Loon: aah you also have more cubes then
  • [15:52] Latif Khalifa: oskar, i know, but with head-in-sand mode it might be difficult to hear, so repeating is needed :P
  • [15:52] Oskar Linden: we've got 98 more minutes. anything else you guys want to discuss
  • [15:52] Motor Loon: I thought you just meant making the same one bigger °͜°
  • [15:52] Oskar Linden: oops
  • [15:52] Oskar Linden: 8
  • [15:52] Oskar Linden: hah
  • [15:52] Oskar Linden: not 98
  • [15:52] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
  • [15:52] Lares Carter: are there any problems with Magnum you know about, Oskar?
  • [15:53] Oskar Linden: not that I know of
  • [15:53] Oskar Linden: why?
  • [15:53] Motor Loon: Is it totally out of the question that PE accounting will be made less tough down the road?
  • [15:53] Talia Malaspina: Was this a scheduled meeting? I happened in here by chance.
  • [15:53] Lares Carter: SkyBeam, which is on Magnum was behaving really weird, failing TPs from there and neighbouring regions not showing up.
  • [15:53] Flip Idlemind: Thursdays at 3pm SLT
  • [15:53] Talia Malaspina: Thank you! :)
  • [15:54] Maestro Linden: hm those sound like they might be netowrk issues..
  • [15:54] Oskar Linden: thanks for stopping by talia
  • [15:54] Flip Idlemind: So, I mentioned this last week, and admittedly it fits the "nice to have" priority, but out of curiosity can anyone think of a reason why this wouldn't be a good idea:
  • [15:54] Flip Idlemind: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-7244
  • [15:54] Talia Malaspina: Thanks for letting me listen in. :)
  • [15:54] Oskar Linden: sure
  • [15:54] Motor Loon: That would be nice Flip
  • [15:55] Oskar Linden: you're welcome anytime
  • [15:55] Flip Idlemind: I want it, selfishly, for my restart countdown thingy that I put in my viewer
  • [15:55] TankMaster Finesmith: would it be possible to block entry to a region with say less than a minuet to restart?
  • [15:55] Flip Idlemind: But I think it would benefit others too
  • [15:55] TankMaster Finesmith: aside from estate owners
  • [15:55] Motor Loon: Actually now that you've heard the secret password Talia, you are a member of the club and must attend every time °͜°
  • [15:55] Latif Khalifa: region should just disable teleport in in the last 30 seconds anyway :P
  • [15:55] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
  • [15:55] Motor Loon: hehe
  • [15:56] Talia Malaspina: Then I want to know the secret handshake too! heehe
  • [15:56] Oskar Linden: disabling tp out too?
  • [15:56] Oskar Linden: :-)
  • [15:56] TankMaster Finesmith: hehe
  • [15:56] Motor Loon: Thats not until the 3rd visit Talia
  • [15:56] Latif Khalifa: Oskar, perhaps tp out with a small payment :P
  • [15:56] TankMaster Finesmith: no, just TP them to the corn field
  • [15:56] Talia Malaspina: heehe!
  • [15:56] Talia Malaspina: ok
  • [15:56] Oskar Linden: monetize restarts!
  • [15:56] Oskar Linden: latif is thinking like a linden
  • [15:56] Motor Loon: haha
  • [15:56] Motor Loon: not bad at all
  • [15:56] Flip Idlemind: Viewer 2
  • [15:56] TankMaster Finesmith: premium only users can TP out :D
  • [15:56] Homeless: eject everyone to an infohub when 5 sec left
  • [15:56] Latif Khalifa: monetizing is good.
  • [15:56] Motor Loon: whole new kind of "camping"
  • [15:57] Rex Cronon: u lindens must be contagious:)
  • [15:57] Latif Khalifa: PE isn't monetizing, is just silly
  • [15:57] Motor Loon: well, we adapt... we always do
  • [15:57] Fancy Greeter: Kurt30 Tester has arrived!
  • [15:57] Motor Loon: might cry a little first though
  • [15:57] Motor Loon: ;-)=
  • [15:58] Talia Malaspina: Is there an official "How to make mesh outfits/avatars" tutorial, or do we need to just skim the web for the generosity of smart users?
  • [15:58] Latif Khalifa: But I really want to switch big linksents to new physics. No need to collide 30 prims, 3 would do fine. But then my PE doubles, and if you can make any sense of that you're much smarter than me
  • [15:59] Latif Khalifa: you reduce the sim load, make content more efficient, and get penalized
  • [15:59] Oskar Linden: alright everyone. thanks for coming out today
  • [15:59] Talia Malaspina: Thank you! :)
  • [15:59] Opensource Obscure: bye everybody
  • [15:59] Motor Loon: yeah, if you link regular prims & sculpties with mesh you do
  • [15:59] Oskar Linden: I hope to have a guest linden next week
  • [15:59] Rex Cronon: tc oskar
  • [15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: thx for coming, oskar, maesreo, cuote
  • [15:59] Coyot Linden: yw
  • [15:59] Rex Cronon: tc everybody
  • [15:59] Motor Loon: okies... back to work
  • [15:59] Motor Loon: tc all
  • [15:59] Maestro Linden: thanks for coming!
  • [15:59] Latif Khalifa: have fun peeps
  • [15:59] Motor Loon: groooouphuuug
  • [15:59] Lares Carter: thanks for the meeting
  • [15:59] Rex Cronon: have a nice day all
  • [15:59] Oskar Linden: have a good weekend and I'll see ya around
  • [15:59] Coyot Linden: You know, Guest would be an ossm linden name
  • [15:59] TankMaster Finesmith: coyot*
  • [16:00] Flip Idlemind: Oh, I do have a last minute question. I'm in a certain group and, anytime I send a notice, I get spammed with messages that say "Unable to IM across parent estates"
  • [16:00] Talia Malaspina: Bring enough guest lindens for the entire class!
  • [16:00] Latif Khalifa: and promote Le Tigre the next week :D
  • [16:00] Flip Idlemind: Any idea why? (Unless you're all on your way out)
  • [16:00] Motor Loon: hold ya breath... derezzing the boat - dont like to litter °͜°
  • [16:00] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina holds breath
  • [16:00] Talia MalaspinaTalia Malaspina eeps.
  • [16:00] Maestro Linden: Hm, there's probably a group member who's limited to a private estate..
  • [16:00] Talia Malaspina: Noooo!
  • [16:00] Talia Malaspina: OoOo BAx boots are waterproof??
  • [16:00] [aR] Mesh Expedition Station Wagon (Safari) v1.0.7: You aren't the owner.
  • [16:00] Maestro Linden: which normally can't happen, because they wouldn't be able to join the group then
  • [16:01] Flip Idlemind: Sounds like a reasonable theory
  • [16:01] Flip Idlemind: What I think is, people joined it before the whole merge thing
  • [16:01] Oskar Linden: *waves*
  • [16:01] TankMaster Finesmith: c-ya oskar