Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2014-04-04

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A[22:04:13] Caleb Linden: hi all.
A[22:04:26] Rex Cronon: hi caleb
A[22:04:29] Lucia Nightfire: rex has to make that regionsayto on aditi now, heh
A[22:04:46] Yuzuru Jewell: Hello, everyone.
A[22:04:47] Rex Cronon: lol
A[22:04:47] Whirly Fizzle: Heya caleb
A[22:04:59] Rex Cronon: hi yuzuru
A[22:05:04] Simon Linden: Hello everyone
A[22:05:13] Rex Cronon: hi simon
A[22:05:18] Whirly Fizzle: Heya Simon
A[22:05:28] Caleb Linden: i want to keep the first part short, http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Server_Beta_User_Group
A[22:05:43] Caleb Linden: last weeks Magnum RC is on the main channel now
A[22:06:11] Caleb Linden: and the RC channels all have the inventory update
A[22:06:43] Caleb Linden: which I think will need the Sunshine RC Viewer to use the new feature
A[22:07:36] Caleb Linden: That's all I got for this week. As some of you may have noticed during the RC roll, there were some regions that got rolled twice.
A[22:08:11] Lucia Nightfire: ya
A[22:08:17] Caleb Linden: And it turned out that it was just a human error of triggering it twice
A[22:08:26] Caleb Linden: phew
A[22:09:04] Caleb Linden: baker, simon you guys have any updates on your projects?
A[22:09:05] Lucia Nightfire: I know what you're thinking
A[22:09:13] Lucia Nightfire: did he only roll 1 time or 2
A[22:09:23] Lucia Nightfire: I'll spare teh rest of teh dialog, heh
A[22:10:04] Caleb Linden: effectively the batch of regions to be rolled got picked twice
A[22:12:40] Simon Linden: I've been working away at the group chat this week
A[22:13:06] Simon Linden: If anyone wants to help out, join the "Group Chat Chat" and "Group Chat Test" groups here
A[22:13:12] Simon Linden: Send me an IM if you can't find it
A[22:13:15] TankMaster Finesmith: 'Arent there more important bugs to work on?'
A[22:13:21] TankMaster Finesmith: oh wait, no, no theres not :P
A[22:13:31] Simon Linden: yeah, probably Tankmaster, but this one is fun :P
A[22:13:35] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
A[22:13:49] TankMaster Finesmith: and if it brakes, whats the worse that can happen, right? :D
A[22:14:12] Simon Linden: I _think_ we're pretty close to a deploy and test on the mail grid, but I though that last week too
A[22:14:28] TankMaster Finesmith: i see baker is running away
A[22:14:40] Simon Linden: The test last week was really good ... it helped point out some existing bugs in the system which I think I fixed this week
A[22:14:56] Bakabake Resident: baker is on the testing viewer
A[22:15:05] Jenna Felton: i could not find the group "Group Chat Chat"
A[22:15:07] Caleb Linden: which viewer should we use?
A[22:15:14] Simon Linden: Any viewer is good
A[22:15:23] Whirly Fizzle: secondlife:///app/group/fa943583-23f5-3242-da23-52024f1e05c4/about
A[22:15:23] Simon Linden: I'll invite you Jenna - anyone else?
A[22:15:25] TankMaster Finesmith: /me uses the DUI viewer
A[22:15:33] Simon Linden: or just click on WHirly's link
A[22:15:34] katydid62 Resident: secondlife:///app/group/fa943583-23f5-3242-da23-52024f1e05c4/about
A[22:15:39] Whirly Fizzle: :D
A[22:15:45] Whirly Fizzle: You guys needs that :P
A[22:15:47] katydid62 Resident: open that in local and it will link you
A[22:16:06] Jenna Felton: thank you :)
A[22:18:38] Simon Linden: The chat system gets the most stress if people are changing regions ... it often fails to deliver to your old region, but then finds you on the new one
A[22:18:46] Simon Linden: so region crossings or TPs help the test
A[22:19:17] TankMaster Finesmith: sounds like its time for chat messages to migrate to HTTP and bypass the region...
A[22:19:38] Simon Linden: it's 3:18 SLT now ... let's start in a second making lots of group chat messages and come back here in a few minutes ... maybe 3:22 or so
A[22:19:40] Simon Linden: Sound good?
A[22:20:07] TankMaster Finesmith: we need to go somewhere?
A[22:20:18] Rex Cronon: so we need to move back and forth across sim border?
A[22:20:35] Fenix Eldritch: Any preference for which test group to use? Both?
A[22:21:02] Simon Linden: Both is best, I think
A[22:21:16] Rex Cronon: can't type in both at same time
A[22:21:37] Simon Linden: I lost that text we had last week that failed ... if anyone has a copy of that, please let me know
A[22:21:54] Simon Linden: That isn't fixed but the error should be handled better in the code
A[22:22:38] Rex Cronon: let me find it. i hope
O[22:23:02] Zenith Subchair final p/e1a51880-d7b5-4c00-800d-91664f5b84c0: Hi Inara Breen! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
A[22:23:23] Simon Linden: That odd up arrow seemed to be the problem
A[22:24:06] Lucia Nightfire: Rex started that, Whirls posted that the arrow was teh prob
A[22:24:13] Simon Linden: ok, that seems good, thanks!
A[22:24:24] Inara Breen: No noticeable viewer freeze swapping between group chat sessions this time
A[22:24:36] Simon Linden: RIght, I remember that too, Lucia. I was going on the "Whirly is always right" train of thought
A[22:24:45] Rex Cronon: ùð§®2Œ1f�Gzïç÷kf©Ï�«²‡ø�Y�Wpl;²�’�Þb*
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A[22:25:04] Lucia Nightfire: �
A[22:25:15] Inara Breen: ... and no sooner do I type that than the viewer freezes on switching fro chat to group chat
A[22:25:46] Simon Linden: I just got that too
A[22:25:46] Lucia Nightfire: if I minimize my screeen for a period of time I wonder if my groups will all auto close like last OH, heh
A[22:25:55] Rex Cronon: it still gives the same error
A[22:26:03] Yuzuru Jewell: Wait Cursor shows for 5 sec.
A[22:26:32] Simon Linden: ok thanks that's enough!
A[22:27:02] Simon Linden: great, thanks everyone
A[22:27:08] TankMaster Finesmith: so who posted the most lines? :P
A[22:27:22] Simon Linden: I'm going to poke into the logs and see if anything looks scary ...
A[22:27:30] Rex Cronon: the great group spam festival has ended:)
A[22:27:37] Jenna Felton: Whirly, how did you managed post in two groups at same time?
A[22:27:42] Nalates Urriah: Seems once a huge block builds up the freeze happens on switch. I just had an almost 20 second mini freeze and then it took several second for my posts to show up in the chat stream.
A[22:27:44] Whirly Fizzle: Chat lag lol
A[22:27:44] TankMaster Finesmith: hax
A[22:27:55] Fenix Eldritch: Same here, Nal
A[22:28:10] Whirly Fizzle: lol my fingerws hurt now
A[22:28:14] Caleb Linden: testing chat lag
A[22:28:35] Lucia Nightfire: theres a light at teh end of that carpel tunnel
A[22:28:47] Lucia Nightfire: all I had, sorry
A[22:29:02] Whirly Fizzle: hehe
A[22:29:15] Jenna Felton: i started receive the group messages after i was going to post into the group. before that moment i got no group messages. Is this viewer-specific )i use firestorm)
A[22:29:15] Nalates Urriah: I had some lag on each switch to the other group. The longer I waited to switch the longer the mini freeze.
A[22:29:16] Jodi Nikolaidis: that went much better than the last test ..I actually managed to see my posts among th eflood of spam .. seems very responsive .
A[22:29:33] Whirly Fizzle: I didn't have any of that strange fasiling to post after changing regions this time
A[22:29:41] Whirly Fizzle: *failing
A[22:29:57] Baker Linden: FINALLY! Took forever, but now I have a fix for the broken "invite to group" right click menu bug
A[22:30:06] Baker Linden: I think that was the last of the big bugs to fix
A[22:30:30] Jenna Felton: hope that was not april fool Baker :)
A[22:30:52] Caleb Linden: april fools week
A[22:30:52] Jenna Felton: is good to hear
A[22:31:04] Simon Linden: I did get failures to post from that funky text that Rex posted
A[22:31:21] TankMaster Finesmith: oh?
A[22:31:28] Caleb Linden: what did you post rex?
A[22:31:40] Lucia Nightfire: �
A[22:31:43] Rex Cronon: there is something that might need testing. what happens if one or more members r in a sim that is griefed:)
A[22:31:50] Rex Cronon: ùð§®2Œ1f�Gzïç÷kf©Ï�«²‡ø�Y�Wpl;²�’�Þb*
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A[22:31:56] Jenna Felton: that is great than, Baker :)
A[22:32:07] Rex Cronon: that string doesn't work 4 me when trying to post to group chat
A[22:32:22] Whirly Fizzle: Yeah posting � in a group spits an error right away
A[22:32:29] Jenna Felton: Rex you should not post your SL password into open chat
A[22:32:54] Baker Linden: why? Does the password show? I usually get ***
A[22:32:55] Rex Cronon: that is not a pass. that is segment of a png file:)
A[22:32:55] Baker Linden: hunter2
A[22:32:57] Lucia Nightfire: thats nto his password
A[22:33:00] Baker Linden: yeah, that shows up as **** for me
A[22:33:11] Simon Linden: yes ... internally it's better behaved now. The message parser still doesn't like that text, but it catches the error better, makes a log entry and keeps going
A[22:33:11] Lucia Nightfire: its one of his gobals obfuscation names
A[22:33:16] Lucia Nightfire: heh
A[22:33:26] Jenna Felton: :)
A[22:33:40] Rex Cronon: hmm. i think it could be lucia:)
A[22:33:58] Lucia Nightfire: oh I've seen you obfuscation thing before, heh
A[22:34:41] Rex Cronon: in the latest version u can also use all those fuky characters:)
A[22:35:18] Lucia Nightfire: unnecessary, heh
A[22:35:26] TankMaster Finesmith: oh, simon.. i had a thought the other day for chat group messages...
A[22:35:30] Rex Cronon: depends:)
A[22:35:50] TankMaster Finesmith: you know that message you get when a message takes to long to get posted?
A[22:36:02] TankMaster Finesmith: is that coming from the server itself?
A[22:37:10] Whirly Fizzle: Hmm FS's message there is different to V3's isn't it?
A[22:37:45] TankMaster Finesmith: just the wording and alert type, not the trigger
A[22:37:56] Whirly Fizzle: ahh right
A[22:38:01] Simon Linden: I'm not exactly sure where that message comes from ... hmm
A[22:38:38] TankMaster Finesmith: my though was to send that message only when the server actually drops the message, would help reduce the amount of system messages being sent overall
A[22:38:45] Simon Linden: I'm going to take a guess and say the simulator, but that's a guess ... does anyone remember the exact wording? I can search for it. and find out how it's triggered
A[22:38:48] TankMaster Finesmith: if it is in fact coming from the server
A[22:39:02] Jenna Felton: The message feels as if the viewer complains about message not being delivered in time
A[22:39:03] Whirly Fizzle: [15:32] [Second Life: The message sent to Group Chat Test is still being processed.
If the message does not appear in the next few minutes, it may have been dropped by the server.] But I think v3 is different
A[22:39:19] TankMaster Finesmith: thats not it, worlly
A[22:39:37] TankMaster Finesmith: thats what the user sees in FS only
A[22:39:52] Baker Linden: I have to leave SBUG early today, trying to fix another bug real quick. Have a great weekend everyone!
A[22:39:59] Rex Cronon: tc baker
A[22:40:06] Yuzuru Jewell: Thank you, Baker.
A[22:40:06] Caleb Linden: ciao baker
A[22:40:07] TankMaster Finesmith: the message you see isnt what the server sends, if it is the server
A[22:40:14] TankMaster Finesmith: tc baker
A[22:40:34] TankMaster Finesmith: i know its an error message, if that helps, simon
A[22:40:39] Lucia Nightfire: [15:40:24] Second Life: The message sent to Group Chat Test is still being processed.
If the message does not appear in the next few minutes, it may have been dropped by the server.
A[22:40:45] Lucia Nightfire: gah
A[22:40:47] Lucia Nightfire: nvm
A[22:41:00] Whirly Fizzle: "Unable to send your message to the chat session with [RECIPIENT]". I think on V3
A[22:41:00] TankMaster Finesmith: lucka, thats only FS, not V3
A[22:41:05] Lucia Nightfire: ya
A[22:41:07] Lucia Nightfire: I forgot
A[22:41:20] Lucia Nightfire: right after you said that, heh
A[22:41:47] Lucia Nightfire: someone on v3 post that arrow in group chat
A[22:41:50] Simon Linden: ah "message_session_event" in the viewer
A[22:42:08] Simon Linden: Thanks Whirly
A[22:42:37] Yuzuru Jewell: ↑?
A[22:42:55] Lucia Nightfire: Tank you're bad with names like I am with 2 out of 3 words, lol
A[22:43:00] Nalates Urriah: � yes �
A[22:43:22] Simon Linden: interesting ... that character seems ok
A[22:43:24] TankMaster Finesmith: V3's wording is a bit misleading to :P you get that message before you see your post sometimes :P
A[22:43:35] Rex Cronon: those weird chars can be posted in groug chat using tpv viewers?
A[22:43:41] Lucia Nightfire: no
A[22:43:46] Nalates Urriah: I get an error when use � in group
A[22:43:59] Whirly Fizzle: Guys try this arrow in the groups, seems different �
A[22:44:09] Whirly Fizzle: That fails for me
A[22:44:14] Lucia Nightfire: yeah, people are using short arrows
A[22:44:26] katydid62 Resident: that did fail
A[22:44:27] Nalates Urriah: �
A[22:44:35] Simon Linden: yeah ���� fails
A[22:44:40] Yuzuru Jewell: �
A[22:44:42] Jenna Felton: i thought h have to scroll up and find an important message
A[22:44:48] Lucia Nightfire: I don't have my unicode converter
A[22:44:58] Lucia Nightfire: don't know what U+# that is
A[22:45:00] Nalates Urriah: I get an error with Whirly's arrow....
A[22:45:07] Lucia Nightfire: guess I could search it
A[22:45:10] katydid62 Resident: �����
A[22:45:12] Rex Cronon: can u post char 0x00 in group chat?
A[22:45:21] katydid62 Resident: whirly's arrow fails the other doesn't
A[22:45:30] Simon Linden: I hope not, Rex
A[22:45:30] TankMaster Finesmith: copy paste...
A[22:45:43] Nalates Urriah: ╓ you can do alt-###
A[22:45:54] Fenix Eldritch: "Unable to send your message to the chat session with Group Chat Chat.
Error making request, please try again later."
A[22:46:32] Simon Linden: Did you just get that error?
A[22:46:36] Fenix Eldritch: Yup
A[22:46:42] Jenna Felton: yes i can not send "�����" into group, but "↑↑↑↑↑" works fine
A[22:46:46] Nalates Urriah: That error messages should read "Error making request, DON'T TRY THAT AGAIN"
A[22:46:55] Lucia Nightfire: are you on v3?
A[22:46:58] Fenix Eldritch: Yes
A[22:47:00] TankMaster Finesmith: but at any rate, simon, if you do find that that message is getting triggered from the server, can you look into making it's delay longer? that way theres less messages getting sent from the server?
A[22:47:24] Fenix Eldritch: I'm on Second Life 3.7.4 (288138) Mar 15 2014 16:28:23 (Second Life Release)
A[22:47:47] Whirly Fizzle: Yeah that fail message can be quite spammy and 9/10 times your post does actually post.,.... usually right after the error lol
A[22:48:00] Jenna Felton: How comes that some messages can not be sent? Are they sent unescaped?
A[22:48:40] Jenna Felton: (escaped via escape url function)
A[22:48:44] Whirly Fizzle: And also, why do posts complaining about the chat lag ALWAYS post immediately? :P
A[22:48:44] katydid62 Resident: yea usually you can figure out when the message will actually post by when you get the message that it won't post
A[22:48:53] Simon Linden: The message parser is failing in the chat server, Jenna. It's probably not escaped properly, or there's some failure along the way with the encoding
A[22:49:20] Yuzuru Jewell: ↑
A[22:49:34] Jenna Felton: this sounds somehow dangerous, i feel somehow here can be a way to make an exploit
A[22:49:36] Jodi Nikolaidis: how often does your Beta Grids inventory sync with main grid Inv ? just on password change ?
A[22:49:50] Jenna Felton: but thank you Simon :)
A[22:49:52] Whirly Fizzle: Its broken atm
A[22:50:18] Jodi Nikolaidis: inv sync whirls ?
A[22:50:19] Whirly Fizzle: Password change isn't giving a sync & new password isn't recognised on aditi
A[22:50:26] Lucia Nightfire: do sent messages have a timestamp sent with them? would be nice as an option to know how lon gthe delay between tx & rx was
A[22:51:28] Whirly Fizzle: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-5563 ( My Password and Inventory don't update on Beta Grid (aditi)
)
A[22:51:53] Jodi Nikolaidis: hmm .. have things here that I know o have acquired since last pw change ..and of course a boat load of things in no longer have on Main .
A[22:51:55] Simon Linden: I thought Maestro looked into that recently and got it fixed
A[22:52:05] Whirly Fizzle: OOOh! Cool. Ill try again.
A[22:52:14] Rex Cronon: hmm. if u lindens still offer prize $L for bugs than how much will i get for finding this bug where group chat doesn't accept some special characters:)
A[22:52:27] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
A[22:52:29] Lucia Nightfire: thats for crashes Rex
A[22:52:37] TankMaster Finesmith: i think thats only for security related bugs
A[22:52:37] Lucia Nightfire: not all
A[22:52:42] Lucia Nightfire: server crashes
A[22:52:46] Lucia Nightfire: and
A[22:52:55] Rex Cronon: i had to try;)
A[22:53:03] Lucia Nightfire: I have yet to be paid for the few server crashers I exposeed
A[22:53:07] Simon Linden: I haven't been involved with the payouts but I think it's just the big ones like that ... security issues
O[22:53:24] BadCharTest/eb66b7b7-7ddb-4c5a-95ad-bfeb9837ae29: Hello, Avatar!
A[22:53:34] Whirly Fizzle: I think mits only "exploits" they pay for. Not just normal ways to crash a region
A[22:53:36] Simon Linden: I'm not sure who manages that program now
A[22:53:38] Whirly Fizzle: *its#
A[22:53:40] Jodi Nikolaidis: lolz ..if there was a Bounty on findign bugs Whirly woild eb a Lindenaire many times over .
A[22:53:51] Whirly Fizzle: I did get one bounty!
A[22:53:56] TankMaster Finesmith: "i found a typo in a sentence, can i get $10,000L for reporting it?"
A[22:54:09] Simon Linden: "no" :P
A[22:54:13] TankMaster Finesmith: lol
A[22:54:38] Simon Linden: well, you can - but only on the beta grid
A[22:54:42] Lucia Nightfire: I found a bug that will crash everyone in the region and its still active event hough I reported it early last year
A[22:54:53] Whirly Fizzle: It was a good one though. Was a way to get free L$ lol. So I got to keep my "free L$" plus a 10k bounty. I was pleased :D Thats the only one I ever got a bounty for. They fixed it literally within 20 mins of being reported
O[22:55:06] BadCharTest/eb66b7b7-7ddb-4c5a-95ad-bfeb9837ae29: Touch me to get an IM with this char: �
A[22:55:14] Jodi Nikolaidis: ooohh.. I have 10,371 L$ here .. TIME to SHOP!!.. havent had a L$ balance as big as that in years .
A[22:55:34] Whirly Fizzle: lol marketplace doesn't work on Aditi anymore.
A[22:55:41] TankMaster Finesmith: i need 8,378L on the beta grid to have $300,000 total :P
A[22:55:44] Jenna Felton: the character � is with no problem sent via chat and instant message
A[22:56:21] Rex Cronon: so, there is another character in that string that borks the parser?
A[22:56:22] Simon Linden: yes Jenna - those paths won't go through the group chat server, which seems to have the problem with that text
A[22:56:46] Simon Linden: I saw the same problem with that text you pasted earlier:
A[22:56:55] Simon Linden: ùð§®2Œ1f�Gzïç÷kf©Ï�«²‡ø�Y�Wpl;²�’�Þb*
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A[22:56:55] Jodi Nikolaidis: ok im off to change my pw and see id this sync is working .. or do I have to wait 24 hrs for it to take effect ?
A[22:57:00] Lucia Nightfire: what abotu obj IM, did taht ever get updated to handle all non-illegal unicode?
A[22:57:09] Lucia Nightfire: I haven't tested in a while
A[22:57:13] Simon Linden: I think that's done overnight, Jodi
A[22:57:17] Rex Cronon: i think u need 24 hours
A[22:57:46] Nalates Urriah: I would say at least 24. More is better.
A[22:57:48] Lucia Nightfire: you just need to do it before 00:00 - 02:00 PDT
A[22:58:26] Simon Linden: right, the copy job runs early morning SL time when usage is lowest
A[22:58:42] Whirly Fizzle: The password should sync straight away though?
A[22:58:47] Lucia Nightfire: I switched mine in like 4 hours last time, heh
A[22:58:57] Whirly Fizzle: I mean new password should work on Aditi right away?