Beta Server Office Hours/Minutes/2015-02-19

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[2015/02/19 15:00]  Inara Breen: Wiki good. not updating bad :-).
[2015/02/19 15:00]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): OK.
[2015/02/19 15:00]  Jenna Felton: /me gigles
[2015/02/19 15:00]  Caleb Linden: caleb bad for not reading the exception announcement
[2015/02/19 15:01]  Caleb Linden: anyways sbug IS on
[2015/02/19 15:01]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Whirly.
[2015/02/19 15:01]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Hai!
[2015/02/19 15:01]  Caleb Linden: hi whirly!
[2015/02/19 15:01]  Jenna Felton: i think Maestro was leading the meeting and working on the page mostly and now he is obducted :)
[2015/02/19 15:01]  Jenna Felton: hi Whirly
[2015/02/19 15:01]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Oh I nearly didn't come. Wiki page said today was cancelled
[2015/02/19 15:01]  Caleb Linden: oh man
[2015/02/19 15:02]  Caleb Linden: my fault
[2015/02/19 15:02]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Rex.
[2015/02/19 15:02]  Jenna Felton: hello Rex
[2015/02/19 15:02]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Rex, you are on time.
[2015/02/19 15:02]  Rex Cronon: hi yuzuru
[2015/02/19 15:02]  Rex Cronon: hi jenna
[2015/02/19 15:03]  Rex Cronon: hi everybody
[2015/02/19 15:03]  Rex Cronon: miracles happen yuzuru;)
[2015/02/19 15:03]  Rex Cronon: lol
[2015/02/19 15:04]  rcdsQueChatLog: State changed.{click me to get the url}
[2015/02/19 15:06]  Jonathan Yap: Are we waiting for Simon to arrive on his skateboard?
[2015/02/19 15:06]  Caleb Linden: so yeah, another quiet week in server land. we deployed the chat server build we tested last week to production. did you guys find anything funky?
[2015/02/19 15:07]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Chat lag is broken
[2015/02/19 15:07]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Hello, Simon.
[2015/02/19 15:07]  Simon Linden: I'm working on adding it back in, Whirly
[2015/02/19 15:07]  Simon Linden: Hello Yuzuru
[2015/02/19 15:07]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Awesome
[2015/02/19 15:07]  Simon Linden: Hi everyone
[2015/02/19 15:07]  Rex Cronon: hi simoin
[2015/02/19 15:07]  Rex Cronon: simon*
[2015/02/19 15:07]  Simon Linden: hey Rex
[2015/02/19 15:08]  Jenna Felton: hello Simon:)
[2015/02/19 15:08]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): My friend found the issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM8y_0M7Xd4
[2015/02/19 15:08]  Rex Cronon: imo u will be very succesfull at adding lag back into the chat:)
[2015/02/19 15:08]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): MouseDown and Sim crossing and MouseeUP
[2015/02/19 15:09]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): mouse up event is not returned.
[2015/02/19 15:09]  Simon Linden: ugh ... I never thought about that but I can imagine control events and crossings getting mixed up
[2015/02/19 15:10]  Rex Cronon: it gets lost in translation:)
[2015/02/19 15:10]  Rex Cronon: i mean tp
[2015/02/19 15:10]  Simon Linden: yes, there's a chunk of time when you're in limbo and your data is going from one region to the next
[2015/02/19 15:10]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Is it the bug of LSL scripter?
[2015/02/19 15:10]  Simon Linden: Once you're in the next region, it really needs to ensure that the control state is correct for what you have on the viewer
[2015/02/19 15:11]  Simon Linden: I don't know, Yuzuru, or if there is a way to work around it
[2015/02/19 15:11]  Jenna Felton: can the control evend be quieed while crosing over the sim bondary?
[2015/02/19 15:11]  Simon Linden: I'd also prefer a jira BUG report that accurately describes what is lost or broken
[2015/02/19 15:12]  Jenna Felton: control event queued or whatever it is pronounced :)
[2015/02/19 15:12]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I didn't heard from him about avoiding it.
[2015/02/19 15:12]  Jenna Felton: although actually bad idea, than the bike will drive and turn and drive until the quiee is empty and i am at the other sim bondary where i not wanted go
[2015/02/19 15:13]  Simon Linden: Perhaps, Jenna ... but there isn't a queue like that now that I'm aware of.   The existing queue is associated with the running script on the server - and that's not up during the TP or crossing
[2015/02/19 15:13]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Whirly, do you know the jira about it?
[2015/02/19 15:14]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): At least his HUD never fell off on region change  ;)
[2015/02/19 15:14]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): I don't no
[2015/02/19 15:14]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Not good with scripting issues though
[2015/02/19 15:14]  Rex Cronon: i think is queue
[2015/02/19 15:14]  Simon Linden: It seems like there should be a step when you arrive in the 2nd region which compares the script control levels, what the viewer has and inserts the right events to the script to get there
[2015/02/19 15:15]  Simon Linden: but I'm just thinking off the top of my head here .. it's speculation
[2015/02/19 15:15]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Thank you, Whirly. I ask him to write the jira about it. But he is Japanese. It is hard for him..
[2015/02/19 15:15]  Rex Cronon: i think there r lindens that r fluent injapanese
[2015/02/19 15:15]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Whers the HUD from?
[2015/02/19 15:16]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I heard it is only from HUD.
[2015/02/19 15:17]  Simon Linden: if he can just write it really simple steps, we'll be able to understand
[2015/02/19 15:17]  Simon Linden: Really simple if it's in Japanese ... I spent a few years in Tokyo but that was long before SL :)
[2015/02/19 15:17]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): only steps?
[2015/02/19 15:18]  Simon Linden: well ... it would be good to know a) the control state as they leave the region  then b) what they press or release   and c) what didn't happen correctly
[2015/02/19 15:19]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): OK, I will ask him. Can I send a demo HUD to you, Simon?
[2015/02/19 15:20]  Simon Linden: ok ... it needs to have open permissions, if you can
[2015/02/19 15:20]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I see.
[2015/02/19 15:21]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I know you have God power :D
[2015/02/19 15:22]  Simon Linden: I try not to abuse my superpowers ;)
[2015/02/19 15:22]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Its OK OK.
[2015/02/19 15:24]  Gibson Firehawk: once in a while when flying over mainland from one region to another...i might run across one that i cant enter and get an "Unable to create pending connection" message....what is usually the cause of that?
[2015/02/19 15:24]  Jenna Felton: I never had that message
[2015/02/19 15:24]  Simon Linden: That's an odd one, Gibson
[2015/02/19 15:24]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Ive seen that
[2015/02/19 15:24]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Not often though
[2015/02/19 15:24]  Gibson Firehawk: the region is visible from the outside so it doesnt appear to be offline...just cant enter it
[2015/02/19 15:25]  Gibson Firehawk: the message shows as a notification that needs dismissed
[2015/02/19 15:25]  Jenna Felton: perhaps its about to restat?
[2015/02/19 15:25]  Jenna Felton: i mean the region
[2015/02/19 15:25]  Simon Linden: There is a block on entering right before a timed restart ... but that should be rare
[2015/02/19 15:26]  Gibson Firehawk: i cant recall for sure but isnt there a specific message on region restart for that case?
[2015/02/19 15:26]  Gibson Firehawk: when trying to do an actual cross and the region is about to be restarted
[2015/02/19 15:26]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): It says something like you cannot enter the region because it is full or about to restart
[2015/02/19 15:27]  Simon Linden: I'd have to check but I think you're right
[2015/02/19 15:27]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): That pending connection thing, it can happen when just trying to walk over a region border too. Usually only one way. Restarting the region fixes it.
[2015/02/19 15:28]  Jenna Felton: I beleive the wiki needs a page that is listing all error messages with explanations :)
[2015/02/19 15:28]  Simon Linden: it sounds like the network is getting blocked or bogged down somehow
[2015/02/19 15:28]  Rex Cronon: i believe only whirly knows all of them error messages;)
[2015/02/19 15:29]  Jenna Felton: at least the whole jiira
[2015/02/19 15:31]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Its in notifications.xml
[2015/02/19 15:31]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): <notification
[2015/02/19 15:32]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Does notifications.xml know all message?
[2015/02/19 15:33]  Simon Linden: It _should_ but it's not required
[2015/02/19 15:33]  Simon Linden: Basically the server sends an alert or message
[2015/02/19 15:33]  Jenna Felton: that means the viewer generates the message
[2015/02/19 15:33]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Oh and...
[2015/02/19 15:33]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): <notification
[2015/02/19 15:33]  Jenna Felton: when it is in this file
[2015/02/19 15:33]  Gibson Firehawk: i dont see it linked to any actual viewer code for firing off that message
[2015/02/19 15:34]  Simon Linden: if the viewer has it in notifications.xml, it uses that - so it's translated properly
[2015/02/19 15:34]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Oh wrong one
[2015/02/19 15:34]  Jenna Felton: ah
[2015/02/19 15:34]  Simon Linden: that way we can add a new one to the server in English, add it also to the viewer code, and either one can go out first
[2015/02/19 15:34]  Simon Linden: (usually it's server first)
[2015/02/19 15:35]  Jenna Felton: ok, that works too :) but needs to update the viewer when you add the new error message.
[2015/02/19 15:35]  Jenna Felton: unless that xml is downloaded on login
[2015/02/19 15:36]  Rex Cronon: why do u need that xml file for the error messages sent by the server?
[2015/02/19 15:37]  Simon Linden: It's in the viewer code, Jenna
[2015/02/19 15:37]  Jonathan Yap: To translate them to other languages Rex
[2015/02/19 15:37]  Gibson Firehawk: the viewer has to know what to say in the notification when it gets the "NoPendingConnection" message
[2015/02/19 15:37]  Simon Linden: For localization, Rex
[2015/02/19 15:37]  Jenna Felton: because you want log in into SL with an outdated viewer when you can not update it and stil see the correct new error messages
[2015/02/19 15:37]  Rex Cronon: if the server gets updated and u still use the old xml file u could get the wrong message
[2015/02/19 15:38]  Margithe: ((forgot >.<))
[2015/02/19 15:38]  Jenna Felton: hello Margithe :)
[2015/02/19 15:38]  Simon Linden: if we want to change the message, we can do it two ways:   update the viewer, or make a new message from the server
[2015/02/19 15:38]  Jonathan Yap: You will never get a wrong message, but you may get a message in English when you are set to another language
[2015/02/19 15:38]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Ah I found it, it is in the sikin/default/xui.
[2015/02/19 15:38]  Jenna Felton: true Jonathan
[2015/02/19 15:38]  Simon Linden: yes,that's it Yuzuru
[2015/02/19 15:39]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): And I found the miss translation..
[2015/02/19 15:40]  Rex Cronon: imo it would be better if there was a page on ll site with error codes and the server sent the error code while the viewer could go to that web page/service and get the localized message
[2015/02/19 15:41]  Jonathan Yap: Rex, that would be much slower and prone to network issues
[2015/02/19 15:42]  Simon Linden: I'm sure there are many ways to do it ... what we have now works ok.   There are much more broken things that need attention
[2015/02/19 15:42]  Margithe: Is there work done on groups still?
[2015/02/19 15:42]  Simon Linden: group chat?
[2015/02/19 15:42]  Margithe: no, joining etc
[2015/02/19 15:43]  Simon Linden: joining the group itself?  I didn't know there were problems there.  Do you mean starting group chat?
[2015/02/19 15:43]  Margithe: No, i mean joining. I'm looking of there's any bug reports open, but i'm not as good with Jira as WHirly :P
[2015/02/19 15:44]  Jenna Felton: i beleive the last what was doing on groups was group ban and new roles
[2015/02/19 15:44]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): The initialising error?
[2015/02/19 15:44]  Jonathan Yap: I fixed one about a year ago, when you were trying to join a group by invitation and your group list was full
[2015/02/19 15:44]  Simon Linden: I haven't seen issues there
[2015/02/19 15:44]  Caleb Linden: or maxing out the group numbers at 42?
[2015/02/19 15:45]  Margithe: When your groups are full, and you get an invite to another, you get a message that you are full and still have the opportunity to join. So, you can go and drop a group or two, and hit the join button. But that doesn't join the group and you have to ask for another invite
[2015/02/19 15:45]  Rex Cronon: jonathat, taking in consideration that the whole sl is based on network connections u could say that it won't make a big difference:)
[2015/02/19 15:45]  Jonathan Yap: Margithe, I fixed that bug
[2015/02/19 15:45]  Margithe: You did? I got it yesterday.
[2015/02/19 15:46]  Jonathan Yap: What viewer are you using?  The fix went into the LL one (I hope!)
[2015/02/19 15:46]  Margithe: maybe my viewer is too old >.<
[2015/02/19 15:46]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Whats the amint of that jonathan?  It may not be in FS yet
[2015/02/19 15:46]  Margithe: Ll viewer gives me a headache, can't use it
[2015/02/19 15:46]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): *maint
[2015/02/19 15:46]  Margithe: Firestorm 4.6.9
[2015/02/19 15:47]  Margithe: /me curls in shame for an old viewer.
[2015/02/19 15:47]  Gibson Firehawk: FS 4.6.9 is like 16 releases behind LL :P
[2015/02/19 15:47]  Jenna Felton: i am using 4.6.7
[2015/02/19 15:47]  Jenna Felton: hehe
[2015/02/19 15:48]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): lol next release soon aaaaand its merged up to LL default release
[2015/02/19 15:48]  Margithe: But ok, if the fix is in the LL viewer, then eventually it will trickle down. I just had that bug like an eon ago and was surprised to see it again
[2015/02/19 15:48]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): & youll hate all the AIS3 bugs  :P
[2015/02/19 15:48]  Jonathan Yap: whirly, do you ahve the jira for that?
[2015/02/19 15:48]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Looking
[2015/02/19 15:49]  Margithe: oh, and a question: when showing metadata, what does gray mean on physics shapes?
[2015/02/19 15:50]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/STORM-2018
[2015/02/19 15:51]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Its in FS http://hg.phoenixviewer.com/phoenix-firestorm-lgpl/rev/fdd10d9f1e7f
[2015/02/19 15:51]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Next release  lol
[2015/02/19 15:51]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): *cough*
[2015/02/19 15:51]  Margithe: that looks closed but not fixed?
[2015/02/19 15:52]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): The storm?
[2015/02/19 15:52]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): Its released
[2015/02/19 15:53]  Margithe: i need a crash course in reading the jiras >.<
[2015/02/19 15:53]  Margithe: anyhow, the gray physics shape... any takers?
[2015/02/19 15:54]  Simon Linden: I'm not familiar with that code, sorry
[2015/02/19 15:55]  nolink (whirly.fizzle): gray physics shape?
[2015/02/19 15:55]  Margithe: when showing metadata
[2015/02/19 15:56]  Margithe: trying to figure out whats wrong with it... works fine to walk on, but vehicles sink it in like it was mud
[2015/02/19 15:56]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Develop - Rendering Metadata - Phisics Shape?
[2015/02/19 15:56]  Rex Cronon: does pathfinding has anyting do to with it?
[2015/02/19 15:56]  Margithe: yeah.
[2015/02/19 15:56]  Margithe: hmmmm.
[2015/02/19 15:56]  Margithe: good question, i will look.
[2015/02/19 15:57]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): I can't find any gray objects on this SIM.
[2015/02/19 15:57]  Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I think it's something to do with the physics
[2015/02/19 15:58]  Margithe: it's not very common.
[2015/02/19 15:58]  Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): density of the object
[2015/02/19 15:58]  Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell): Only I can see green, blue and yellow.
[2015/02/19 15:58]  Jenna Felton: phantom is stil shown as blue, and physic shape none, is shown amlost invisible
[2015/02/19 15:58]  Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): I remember Red implied that it was bad
[2015/02/19 15:58]  Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): or orange
[2015/02/19 15:58]  Margithe: Right. But gray? i can't figure out gray
[2015/02/19 15:58]  Margithe: especially since it seems fine to walk on, but then driving on it is madness
[2015/02/19 15:59]  Margithe: /me sank at first, then had her car flipped upside down
[2015/02/19 15:59]  Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): perhaps it's a 1 sided physics object
[2015/02/19 15:59]  Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): was the surface mesh?
[2015/02/19 15:59]  Margithe: yus
[2015/02/19 15:59]  Elizabeth Jarvinen (polysail): that might be it then