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[14:00] Becky Pippen: Hi Jeremy, Hi Jon [14:00] WidgetHUD v1.1: Becky Pippen has pinged you. [14:00] Jon Linden: good afternoon! [14:00] Becky Pippen: no, joseef, I'm not [14:02] You: Hello Nikhita. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours! [14:02] Nikhita Temin: =D [14:02] Nikhita Temin: I love your couches [14:02] Nikhita Temin: thank you [14:02] Nikhita Temin: hello [14:03] You: There's no reason for anyone to be uncomfortable at our office hours, that's for sure :-) [14:03] Jon Linden: they're the result of a long but entertaining shopping trip! [14:04] Nikhita Temin: yay [14:04] You: Oh, damn. [14:05] You: My away message is still up :-P [14:05] Nikhita Temin: oh I see [14:05] Nikhita Temin: that's better [14:05] Jon Linden: hello Arawn, hello Redrose! [14:05] Nikhita Temin: they even have.... omg, a horse!! [14:06] Nikhita Temin: yay [14:06] You: Welcome back Arawn. Hi Redrose. Nice horse! [14:06] Nikhita Temin: <3 <3 <3 [14:06] You: Or... was-a-horse. [14:06] Jon Linden: ok, i was going to ask if the horse had disappeared for anyone else [14:06] Arawn Spitteler's mother has been hogging the computer, lately: Occassionaly, I might get in. [14:07] Nikhita Temin: bye horsie [14:07] You: Heheh. [14:07] Arawn Spitteler: I don't see the horse, but still see the animation [14:07] Nikhita Temin fishes a sugarcube from her pocket to see if it will return [14:07] You: So, first thing first... does anyone have any documentation concerns today? Questions? Comments? Concerns? Donations? [14:08] Redrose Alter: Holy Moly Arawn, I can't get out of riding mode :) [14:08] Arawn Spitteler: I was just trying to look up, how to copy [14:08] Arawn Spitteler: Try the couches [14:08] Redrose Alter: If I am interupting a meeting guys, I do apologise. [14:08] Arawn Spitteler: I don't know why you'd still be animated, unless there's an AO Hud [14:08] You: No worries! This meeting is open to everyone. [14:09] Jon Linden: it's pretty much what office hours are for, or at least this one [14:09] You: Redrose, have you tried "World > Stop All Animations"? [14:10] Jon Linden: depending on which version of the viewer you're using, it might also be in Tools > Stop All Animations [14:10] You: Oh, doh. I'm on the RC viewer. [14:11] Jon Linden: well, one of us has to stay on the bleeding edge [14:12] Object: Hello, Avatar! [14:12] Jon Linden: but anyway, folks -- what Jeremy said. questions? concerns? comments? on documentation or related matters? [14:12] WidgetHUD v1.1: Jon Linden has pinged you. [14:13] Nikhita Temin: hmm [14:13] Nikhita Temin: I like the documentation [14:13] Nikhita Temin: its helpful [14:13] Jon Linden: that's always good to hear! [14:13] Jon Linden: is there anything not in there you'd like to see? something that could be more helpful? [14:13] You: Is there any one feature you like that isn't in other online help systems you've used? [14:15] You: Or do you find that you understand our use of language better than some other manuals or online help? :-P [14:16] Nikhita Temin: I'm sorry. I never really thought too hard on this, but I think it is nicely laid out and easy to navigate to what I am looking for. [14:17] Jon Linden: success! [14:17] You: That's a perfectly valid answer! And helpful to us, too :-) [14:17] Nikhita Temin: yay [14:17] Becky Pippen: wow, it sounds like you guys have done such a good job that you can take the rest of the month off [14:17] You: Hahahah. [14:17] Nikhita Temin: yeah [14:17] Jon Linden: i'll tell the rest of the Lab; they'll understand [14:17] Nikhita Temin smiles [14:18] Jon Linden: i have a question about the Second Life Showcase [14:18] Jon Linden: basically whether any of you use it, and if you've found it helpful/interesting [14:18] Becky Pippen: I visited every place on it... then it wasn't novel any longer [14:19] You: Even now that Torley has so many of his video tutorials there? [14:19] Nikhita Temin: its now the RC viewer? [14:19] Jon Linden: speaking of which, that group liabilities one definitely needs to go into the KB (we have an article for it that I can embed it into) [14:19] You: Heh. It's on the website. Here, I'll get the link. [14:20] You: Here we go: http://secondlife.com/showcase/ [14:20] Jon Linden: becky, how long did it take you to visit every place there? [14:20] Becky Pippen: hmmm... not sure, but I do spend an hour or so every day just visiting new places [14:21] Nikhita Temin: okay [14:21] Jon Linden: Becky Pippen, SL Explorer [14:21] Becky Pippen: :-) [14:21] Nikhita Temin: this looks really nice [14:22] Becky Pippen: only 13,865 more regions to explore [14:22] You: Toda [14:22] You: er, Today. [14:22] Jon Linden: heheh [14:23] You: Hmm.... Do you think there's anything we could do to make people more excited about documentation? Something to get people involved, using the KB, and having fun? :-) [14:24] Nikhita Temin: thank you I will use this show case, it looks fun. [14:24] Jon Linden: i still like the KB Quiz Show idea, but agree that we should wait until our various cleanup efforts are complete first [14:24] You: Indeed. [14:24] Becky Pippen: yes! A KB Quiz Show! [14:25] Jon Linden: also, we need to round up some prizes [14:25] Becky Pippen: I can donate a prize or two if that's acceptable [14:25] You: "The L$64,000 Question" :-P [14:25] Jon Linden: i'd be in favor of a donated prize or two [14:26] You: Ok, maybe that's a little much. But we've got some fun ideas for prizes :-) [14:26] You: And I've got nothing against donated prizes, either. [14:26] Nikhita Temin: yes games like that would be nice, I am never good at quiz shows though =p [14:26] Jon Linden: more on this idea when we're closer to cleanup completion [14:26] Overlord HUD [script:;aS]: Script run-time error [14:26] Overlord HUD [script:;aS]: Math Error [14:27] You: Well, it's something to talk about. The style and technical reviews aren't exactly exciting social events :-) [14:27] You: Hi haon. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours. [14:27] haon Arado: thank you jeremy [14:27] WidgetHUD v1.1: haon Arado has pinged you. [14:27] Jon Linden: agreed [14:27] Nikhita Temin: hi again haon [14:28] haon Arado: hey nikhita :D [14:28] You: Feel free to have a seat, ask some questions, perform some antics, or just listen in! [14:28] haon Arado: i have a comment [14:28] Nikhita Temin: did you ever get to see him? [14:28] You: Sure, fire away. [14:29] Jon Linden: fire away [14:29] haon Arado: i was making an environmental preset the other day and i named the same name as the default preset foggy, both presets exist but i am only able to view the preset that i created [14:30] You: Hmm.... so the original "foggy" is just gone, for you? [14:30] Arawn Spitteler suspects there's a workaround, if you know the .diddly [14:30] Arawn Spitteler: foggy might have a more complete name [14:30] haon Arado: yah its still there in my presets but im unable to view it, it just converts me to the one i created [14:31] Time Minder: You have been online for 6 hours. [14:31] Becky Pippen: you might check if it's related to http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-4907 [14:31] You: I'm pinging the old WindLight team as we speak... I worked pretty closely with them on WindLight, but I don't recall this issue. [14:32] haon Arado: the original foggy is capitalzed the preset i made is not [14:33] You: Processing... [14:33] You: Ok.... [14:34] You: So the answer I'm getting for now.. and not one I would feel comfortable putting in the KB, is that you should open up the WindLight presets XML file and rename the duplicate preset. [14:34] haon Arado: ooooooook [14:34] haon Arado: :D thank you [14:35] You: I'm going to try to find the right file for you, just to be sure. [14:35] Jon Linden: looks to me like it's in \Program Files\SecondLife\app_settings\windlight\skies [14:35] You: It looks like... what Jon said. [14:35] haon Arado: i got it [14:36] haon Arado: yah im there i will rename it now [14:36] haon Arado: this is strange [14:36] haon Arado: it isn't showing the one i created [14:36] Arawn Spitteler: So there should probably be an easier way, to change file names [14:36] haon Arado: sl deleted it when i logged [14:36] Nikhita Temin: my own weather forecast just said.. expect sunshine, until night. [14:37] haon Arado: wonder if it debugged itself [14:37] You: The day SL can debug itself, I think a lot of very unlikely other things will happen as well. [14:37] haon Arado: well i saved the file [14:37] haon Arado: yesterday [14:37] haon Arado: and today its gone [14:37] Arawn Spitteler will ask Barny Boomslang for a Winged Pig Avatar [14:38] Jon Linden: at this point i must admit we're sailing into territory i don't know much about re: treatment of user-created environment presets [14:39] You: I know a bit about WindLight presets, but it's been awhile since I played with them. [14:39] You: After all, someone had to write the documentation for it! [14:39] haon Arado: well sl fixed the problem by deleting the file, maybe it recognised that there was a duplicate [14:39] You: Maybe, but I don't know, personally. I find that speculating on how something like that works can often lead to some misconceptions. [14:40] Jon Linden: i would advise attending an office hour being held by somebody more technical who might be able to shed some light on it [14:40] You: (Pun intended?) [14:40] haon Arado: indeed im not going to come to any conclusions [14:40] Nikhita Temin giggles [14:40] Arawn Spitteler: If you try Foggy, do you get yours or the Default Foggy? [14:40] Jon Linden: i can take no official stance on the planned nature of said possible pun [14:41] haon Arado: its the default [14:41] Becky Pippen: lol Jon [14:41] You: Problem solved. Mystery created. [14:41] haon Arado: LOL [14:41] Arawn Spitteler: Well, you might have the problem again, when your inventory si returned [14:41] Jon Linden: maybe -- and this is just a guess -- the viewer doesn't pay attention to whether or not preset names are capitalized, and when there's one that's essentially (to it) a duplicate name, Only One Can Live [14:42] Jon Linden: <-- not a developer [14:42] haon Arado: it lived during my log in period [14:42] haon Arado: but when i logged back in again sl destroyed it [14:42] Jon Linden: i got nothin' [14:43] Jon Linden: i wonder if there's someone who worked on WindLight who has office hours [14:43] Jon Linden: there must be [14:43] You: Yeah. You can probably find them at the... RC office hours? Bridie's. [14:43] haon Arado: would need someone who was actually part of the development of windlight to say why sl did that, doesn't consern me to much though [14:43] Oborin Gaffer: Hi [14:43] Arawn Spitteler: After that Marathon, he might think all questions answered [14:43] haon Arado: hey oborin [14:44] Arawn Spitteler: Hi, Oborin [14:44] Nikhita Temin: hi oborin [14:44] Oborin Gaffer: how are u guys doing? [14:44] haon Arado: good ty [14:44] Jon Linden: welcome to Documentation Office Hours, Oborin [14:44] You: Hello, Oborin. [14:44] Nikhita Temin: we are investigating some of the deep mysteries that are in SL [14:44] Jon Linden: jeremy usually beats me to the greeting [14:44] WidgetHUD v1.1: Jon Linden has pinged you. [14:45] Jeremy Linden is failing to channel Torley properly today. [14:45] Oborin Gaffer: sounds cool lol [14:45] You: Only 400wpm! [14:45] You: :-P [14:45] Jon Linden: heh [14:45] Oborin Gaffer: brb [14:46] Arawn Spitteler: We need a Friendly Greetings Gesture [14:46] Arawn Spitteler: Complete with Bell [14:46] You: I think someone should make a YouTube video that cuts together all the times Torley has actually said "Friendly Greetings" on video. [14:46] haon Arado: thank you everyone for shedding some light on this mystery [14:46] Jon Linden: that would be a long video [14:46] haon Arado: that would be hilarious [14:46] Nikhita Temin: haha [14:46] Jon Linden: haon, you're welcome [14:47] haon Arado: cya all [14:47] You: Have fun, and good luck! [14:47] You: Hello, Almagest. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours. [14:47] Almagest Alter: hi [14:48] Almagest Alter: but my question is different from the topic [14:48] Jon Linden: how different? [14:48] You: We can take a shot at it, but like the sign says... we can't guarantee results if it's not about (or in) the documentation. [14:48] Nikhita Temin: hi Almagest [14:49] Almagest Alter: hi [14:49] Nikhita Temin: oooh you're all glowy [14:49] Soap Clawtooth is rezzing and apologises for standing on anyone/thing. [14:49] You: So, I guess that means "Go for it," Almagest :-) [14:50] You: Hello, sempresereno. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours. [14:50] Almagest Alter: it not a simlp problem [14:50] Soap Clawtooth: Hey jeremy :) [14:50] WidgetHUD v1.1: Soap Clawtooth has pinged you. [14:50] You: And hello to Soap, too. [14:51] Oborin Gaffer: i have a question [14:51] Oborin Gaffer: why cant i access the sandboxes on orientation island? [14:51] Oborin Gaffer: yes [14:51] Oborin Gaffer: they are just big grey squares and i cant go there [14:51] Nikhita Temin: h i Soap [14:51] You: Right now? [14:52] Soap Clawtooth: Hi nikhita :) [14:52] You: Well, unless you're talking about public Orientation Island, you should be aware that once you leave OI, you can never go back... [14:52] Oborin Gaffer: idk whats going on... [14:52] Arawn Spitteler: Orientation Island? Once allowed to leave, you can't go home again. [14:52] Oborin Gaffer: :( [14:52] Oborin Gaffer: lol [14:52] You: However, there is a public orientation island literally right next door to this office. [14:53] Arawn Spitteler: Did yoou get a picture of that dragon? [14:53] You: If you fly South, you'll find it on its own island. [14:53] Arawn Spitteler: It's not the same OI, though, but an older one. [14:53] You: Yeah. [14:53] Oborin Gaffer: idk why i cant access the sandbox tho, am i the only one? [14:53] Arawn Spitteler: Sandbox, on OI? [14:54] Oborin Gaffer: might be on help island [14:54] You: Ah. Help Island is another one you can't go back to once you leave... but there is also a public version of Help Island right near here. [14:54] Oborin Gaffer: ah [14:54] Soap Clawtooth: I think he means HIP. [14:55] You: It is to the west for Public Orientation Island. [14:55] Oborin Gaffer: i go to the sandbox there every day but now i cant [14:55] Arawn Spitteler: They've shortened the return time, though [14:55] Oborin Gaffer: yeah its HIP, should have said that [14:55] You: Yeah, Help Island Public. [14:55] You: Hm... looks ok on my map... [14:55] Soap Clawtooth: It appears fine to me. [14:55] Oborin Gaffer: its grey here [14:55] Arawn Spitteler: HIP has no people [14:55] Soap Clawtooth: Yes. I had noticed that. [14:55] Jon Linden: there seem to be a lot of other sandboxes turning up in search [14:55] Arawn Spitteler: Map shows it there but empty [14:56] You: Jon, can you hold down the fort for a minute? I want to see this. [14:56] Arawn Spitteler: Have you tried HIP2? [14:56] Oborin Gaffer: tried both [14:57] You: Visually, it looks like it's down. [14:57] Soap Clawtooth: And here he is :) [14:57] You: I'll let the Support team know. [14:57] Oborin Gaffer: Yeah i know [14:57] Oborin Gaffer: Alright [14:57] Arawn Spitteler: Mentors should've mentioned something, long since. [14:58] Soap Clawtooth: Sorry I was late by the way, lol. I only remembered last minute where I was supposed to be. [14:58] Jon Linden: that's no problem; we're here every week at the same time [14:58] Jon Linden: feel free to stop by next week! [14:58] Oborin Gaffer: well im off, thanks for ur help. cya guys [14:58] Soap Clawtooth: I shall. [14:58] Jon Linden: speaking of which, hello, Svetlana [14:58] You: Enjoy, Oborin. [14:58] Arawn Spitteler: I just sent email to a friend on HIP2, and she's suddenly not on line. [14:59] Soap Clawtooth: oh btw... did Torley forward you my email? [14:59] You: Aha! I think so, Soap. [14:59] Soap Clawtooth nods. [14:59] Soap Clawtooth: T'would be a good idea, i think. [14:59] You: I've had it in my to-do list for a few months now... I just need to get to a point where I have time to work on it :-) [15:00] Soap Clawtooth: chuckle. [15:00] Jon Linden: and speaking of time, we have gotten to the end of our hour [15:00] Soap Clawtooth: I had a further idea for it...that 'login screen' that shows the beach scene when you start up Second life. [15:00] Soap Clawtooth: Why not use it? Pick out 'interesting' places to visit as 'picks of the week' and showcase them on that for new folk to see? [15:01] Jon Linden: i've got to run, folks -- some things to take care of before the work week ends [15:01] You: That sounds like fun! [15:01] Soap Clawtooth: Cya jon :) [15:01] Becky Pippen: Bye Jon [15:01] You: The showcase, not the work. [15:01] Jon Linden: have an excellent weekend! [15:01] Nikhita Temin: bye have a nice weekend [15:01] Jon Linden: heh [15:01] You: Though the work is probably fun too. [15:01] Soap Clawtooth: It could include a small summary of the sim and a slurl. [15:01] Soap Clawtooth: Clicking on the slurl would ideally log you in and take you straight there... [15:02] You: Geat idea! [15:02] You: er, great [15:02] Soap Clawtooth: Seems that most noobs never make it past the orientation stations for at least a few days. [15:02] Soap Clawtooth: A popular question in OIP is 'is this it?' [15:03] Arawn Spitteler heard the majority don't make it past the first few miniutes [15:03] Soap Clawtooth: lol! [15:03] Marlena Petrov: tee hee!! [15:03] Marlena Petrov: i was never a noob:) [15:03] Soap Clawtooth: So I think using the login screen as a showcase provides some good-helpful pointers of just what sort of places you could go to. [15:04] Soap Clawtooth: IE: The Lost Gardens of Apollo or Greenies Home rezzable would be clear favrouites. [15:04] Soap Clawtooth: favourites* [15:04] Becky Pippen: Bye all, have a *wonderful* weekend! [15:04] Nikhita Temin: bye bye [15:04] Soap Clawtooth: Cya becky :) [15:04] Marlena Petrov: byee becky [15:04] You: Heh. I hear you. The Boston Lab has been forming a Linden tour group on Mondays and visiting various sims. There are some really cool ones out there. [15:04] Marlena Petrov: oh, and Hi, y'all [15:04] You: Bye Becky! [15:05] Soap Clawtooth: Yeah there are! [15:05] You: Hi Marlena. We're kind of after-hours at Documentation Office Hours now. [15:05] Soap Clawtooth: lol. [15:05] Marlena Petrov: wel ill just sit and sip coffee...anyone want acup?? [15:05] You: Just don't spill any on the sofa! ;-) [15:05] Soap Clawtooth: lol. [15:05] Marlena Petrov: lol!! [15:05] Marlena Petrov: never:) [15:05] Soap Clawtooth: Aric wont want to come in hear and steam clean it. [15:05] Soap Clawtooth: here* [15:06] Marlena Petrov: giggle!! [15:06] Arawn Spitteler: We can't leave a stain, until you enable object rez [15:06] Marlena Petrov: im one of the owners of 50s-60s retro dacne club... [15:06] Nikhita Temin: no coffee for me thanks, I don't want to discolor my teeth [15:06] Marlena Petrov: lmao!!! [15:06] Soap Clawtooth: lol. [15:06] Marlena Petrov purrrrrrrs [15:06] You: I used to know someone who made bling teeth. [15:07] Marlena Petrov: omg!! [15:07] Soap Clawtooth: oh dear god. [15:07] Marlena Petrov: nooooo [15:07] Soap Clawtooth: own up, jeremy. It was you! :P [15:07] WidgetHUD v1.1: Soap Clawtooth has pinged you. [15:07] Nikhita Temin: their smile must have really been dazzling. [15:07] You: Me? Ohh no, I'm not much for bling. [15:07] Marlena Petrov: blindely dazzling:) [15:07] Soap Clawtooth: Its why i liked the latest RC. [15:08] Marlena Petrov: oh i love RC10 [15:08] Soap Clawtooth: MUTE = Happiness.