Doc Team/2010-01-20

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[13:02] Torley Linden: lonetorus your eyes hypnotize me... !
[13:02] Torley Linden: You have a watermelon shoe too!
[13:02] Yana Ember: i have a question... dont think its much for this OH but its a problem atm
[13:02] Torley Linden: Hey lonetorus, I actually wanted to ask you, what are some cool geometric architecture places in SL you'd recommend?
[13:02] lonetorus Habilis: torley torrent
[13:03] lonetorus Habilis: uhmm
[13:03] lonetorus Habilis: hi
[13:03] Torley Linden: Please ask Yana!
[13:03] lonetorus Habilis: :D
[13:03] Gnome Inkpen: Oooh those are some mighty fine shoes lonetorus!
[13:03] Marianne McCann: Hiya
[13:03] Arawn Spitteler: Hey, Marrianne
[13:03] Gnome Inkpen: OMG that rocks! They change colors. :D
[13:04] lonetorus Habilis: i belive this is the first time im at office hour here
[13:04] Torley Linden: Yeah so lonetorus some backstory, I was looking at some Euro art and design architecture stuff... and was revisiting some of your work and Akeyo's, and thought you'd be a good person to ask..
[13:04] Marianne McCann: cool
[13:04] lonetorus Habilis: also, been away from sl for about 2 months
[13:04] lonetorus Habilis: only 2nd night back
[13:04] Torley Linden: Ahh okay no worries!
[13:04] Eddi Decosta: Hey Torley long time no see, hehe happy new year :p
[13:05] Kate Linden: welcome back lonetorus :)
[13:05] Torley Linden: Happy New Year! It's never too late!
[13:05] lonetorus Habilis: yes indeed, thank you :D
[13:05] Eddi Decosta: yeap ㋡
[13:05] Torley Linden: And as always if anyone has any cool places they've been in Second Life (I know you always have something, Mari), feel free to share =o)
[13:05] Gnome Inkpen: HAPPEH EASTER everyone!
[13:05] Yana Ember: if one resident is spying on another to get them banned, or making alts to get a reaction and then AR the person they are wishing to get banned, also telling them they have contact with Lindens and is able to perma ban them, is there anything more we can do other than ARs?
[13:05] Eddi Decosta: hi Jeremy ㋡
[13:05] Eddi Decosta has pinged you.
[13:05] Arawn Spitteler: Arawn Spitteler's got a Vid Tut Suggestion for Torley, at http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1435  : ARs are pretty effective
[13:06] Yana Ember: `its been going on for about 2 months now
[13:06] Jeremy Linden: Hullo!
[13:06] Torley Linden: Ah, good question, Yana. ARs help document repeated abuse and each instance does add up, so continuing to report inappropriate behavior is the right thing to do. Sucks to hear it's been continuing. :(
[13:06] Eddi Decosta: what? the animation is for tiny? wow ㋡
[13:06] Arawn Spitteler: A suitable response is what they're usually looking for. Steal their avatars, and do a comedy routine
[13:07] Torley Linden: Oh yeah Arawn, I've seen some people order their picks with Unicode numbering too.
[13:07] Yana Ember: its also in a welcome area
[13:07] Eddi Decosta: yeah, concerning the AR, feature can you add some line of reason for this or?
[13:07] Torley Linden: Caliah Lyon's profile is a good example of that.
[13:07] Buddy Winsmore: Alohas !!
[13:07] lonetorus Habilis: lonetorus Habilis contemplates the feeling of being lost, 2 months away feels like a lifetime in some ways
[13:08] Torley Linden: lonetorus, wow! Well welcome back. :)
[13:08] Arawn Spitteler: Most alter the parcel name, to attest to their friendships, which we should have a different tab for. Those of us who don't, don't tend to realise it can be done.
[13:08] Marianne McCann: Hey Youri
[13:08] Joshua Knave: guten abent
[13:08]
[13:08] Youri Ashton: friendly hello's!
[13:08] Youri Ashton: :p
[13:08] Torley Linden: Nice to have each and all of you with us today!
[13:08] lonetorus Habilis: burnt out on 3d entirely, not had 3ds max open in the same time span
[13:08] Gnome Inkpen: HAPPEh hellos!
[13:08] Buddy Winsmore: Nice to finally meet ye in person torley : )
[13:08] Torley Linden: You too Buddy! =)
[13:09] lonetorus Habilis: now setting up a stream provider business, see how that goes
[13:09] Youri Ashton: hello Torley! nice to see you this week!
[13:09] Torley Linden: Don't miss Kate Linden's profile of Courtney Linden in the "meet a Linden" series... https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/support/blog/2010/01/20/meet-courtney-linden
[13:09] Youri Ashton: hey kate!
[13:09] Torley Linden: And my tips for searching the flogs, er, blogs easier! https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/tnt/blog/2010/01/20/blog-tips-google-for-easier-searching-see-your-recent-activity
[13:09] Youri Ashton: missed you last week :(
[13:09] Kate Linden: Hi Youri
[13:09] Arawn Spitteler: Loading media streams on the internet? Does that require any special connection?
[13:09] Joshua Knave: torley linden ich habe ein poblehm könnten sie mir bitte helfen
[13:09] I have a poblehm they could help me please
[13:09] Buddy Winsmore: it help sif it's fast yh
[13:10] Torley Linden: Please explain, Joshua? (Cool translator!)
[13:10] Buddy Winsmore: helps | if
[13:10] Youri Ashton: and now jeremy rezzes, hey jeremy :p
[13:10] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:10] Jeremy Linden: Hello!
[13:10] Marianne McCann: Hey Jeremy!
[13:10] Marianne McCann has pinged you.
[13:10] Nathan Adored: hello
[13:10] Gnome Inkpen: Hello Jeremy!
[13:10] Gnome Inkpen has pinged you.
[13:10] Nathan Adored: Hello MariAnne
[13:10] Kate Linden: I missed everyone that attends my office hour too. Lot's of writing going on for me. I've been especially busy :)
[13:10] Arawn Spitteler: Oh, I try not to ask lindens for help with my own problems, but always look for a Mentor when stumped
[13:10] Torley Linden: Youri, I was here last week. :)
[13:10] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Sahkolihaa Contepomi waits for everything to rez.
[13:10] Joshua Knave: ich wollte bei linden lab suport anrufen weil ich ein avatar von mir gespert is und weis nicht warum und da sind nur englische mit arbeiter kann aber nur deutsch
[13:10] Marianne McCann: Kate - busy times right now!
[13:10] I wanted to linden lab suport because I got a call from my avatar is gespert and knows not why, and there are only popular with employees but can only German
[13:11] Nathan Adored: Sorry I was late.... hatd some RL stuff to deal with. Did I mis anything of note?
[13:11] Kate Linden: Indeed Marianne!
[13:11] Youri Ashton: almost forgot the time, was playing Fall out 3 :p
[13:11] Arawn Spitteler: Gespert?
[13:11] Joshua Knave: ich kann mich mit den nicht ein logen
[13:11] I can with not a homologous
[13:11] Torley Linden: I wish I could speak German, I'm sorry it's not translating enough for me to understand, Joshua — can anyone speak German?
[13:11] Torley Linden: Nathan, you're just in time! Ha ha ha! Welcome!
[13:12] Youri Ashton: i can try to translate better
[13:12] Nathan Adored:
[13:12] lonetorus Habilis: gespert would be banned or something to that extent
[13:12] Youri Ashton: although im not german myself and dont know the language as good either
[13:12] Ardy Lay: Fury, I am not sure what happens here but there is usually a crowd.
[13:12] Buddy Winsmore: I have a fee one I can rezz it if it's enabled
[13:12] Tillie Ariantho: Torley: he need a german supporter to ask why is other account is locked.
[13:12] Buddy Winsmore: free
[13:12] Tillie Ariantho: is -> his
[13:12] Torley Linden: Thanks Tillie and lonetorus.
[13:12] Youri Ashton: think he is saying that he can not login
[13:12] Tillie Ariantho: my keyboard's bugged.
[13:13] Joshua Knave: ich weis das nicht
[13:13] I did not proof the
[13:13] Arawn Spitteler: His other account might not be logged off, preperly
[13:13] Tillie Ariantho: is there a german phone hotline?
[13:13] Nathan Adored: Nathan Adored has this sudden picture of Tillie's keybaord crawling with tiny insects. heh
[13:13] Youri Ashton: okay, hi joshua. I hope this translator works a little better
[13:13] s translator: okay, hallo joshua. Ich hoffe, diese Übersetzer arbeitet ein wenig besser
[13:13] lonetorus Habilis: yeah looks good
[13:13] Joshua Knave: ja hört sich besser an
[13:13] even feels better
[13:13] Torley Linden: We do have a German # if you're logged into the site in German.
[13:13] Youri Ashton: :)
[13:13] s translator: :)
[13:14] Tillie Ariantho: ah
[13:14] Youri Ashton: okay, could you ask again for the Doc team?
[13:14] s translator: okay, könnten Sie wieder für den Dok-Team zu stellen?
[13:14] Torley Linden: Liqueur! Good to see you!
[13:15] Joshua Knave: wie kann ich fragen warum mein anderer avatar gebannt ist?
[13:15] Youri Ashton: ahhh
[13:15] s translator: ahhh
[13:15] Youri Ashton: i thought you were asking soemthign in that direction
[13:15] s translator: Ich dachte, Sie fragten soemthign in diese Richtung
[13:15] Arawn Spitteler: Is there a banned message, or just not able to log in?
[13:15] Nathan Adored: So, anything specific on the agenda for today, or just.... whatever comes up? ㋡
[13:15] Liqueur Felix: Liqueur Felix waves "Friendly greetings ! " *ping*
[13:15] Cream Rembrandt: hello
[13:15] Torley Linden: Nathan, we're pretty open, so if you have a curiosity about Second Life documentation, tips & tricks, and related stuff, we can prolly help! :D
[13:16] Arawn Spitteler: Arawn Spitteler votes for Evolutionary Foetor
[13:16] Youri Ashton: i think you should fill in a ticket on the official website, then you may find out what is going on with your account joshua
[13:16] s translator: Ich glaube, Sie sollten in ein Ticket auf der offiziellen Webseite zu füllen, dann können Sie herausfinden, was los ist mit Ihrem Konto joshua
[13:16] Marianne McCann: Everytime you say "Friendly Greetings," a watermelon gets its wings. Or something
[13:16] Torley Linden: Hahaha. ^_^
[13:16] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: o_o
[13:16] Buddy Winsmore: =^.^=
[13:16] Kate Linden: lol
[13:16] Youri Ashton: lol
[13:16] s translator: lol
[13:16] Buddy Winsmore: funnehe
[13:16] Nathan Adored: Well, I have one or two things I might bring up.... but I might instad just play it by ear and watch the proceedings
[13:16] Youri Ashton: stop it guys, trying to help joshua
[13:16] s translator: stop it guys, versuchen zu helfen joshua
[13:16] Joshua Knave: ich kann bei den anderen konto kein ticket schreiben da get gar nix mehr
[13:16] Torley Linden: Oh feel free to at any time Nathan!
[13:16] Ardy Lay: Gebührenfrei (Deutschland) 0800.664.5510
[13:16] Joshua Knave: ok mom
[13:17] Yana Ember: youri its not translating for us... you will have to paste it
[13:17] Arawn Spitteler: Run it up the Flag Pole, and see who salutes
[13:17] Nathan Adored: I'm pleased with the fact you added the wiki artical on covenents..... just would love to see someting in there about what sorts of things should not be in covenents, but that some places insist on sticking in there anyway.
[13:17] Youri Ashton: Joshua, I think this page may be what you are looking for: https://secure-web38.secondlife.com/my/account/login.php?type=second-life-member&nextpage= /my/support/index.php?new_ticket=true〈=de-DE
[13:17] s translator: Joshua, ich glaube, diese Seite kann das sein, was Sie suchen: https: / / secure-web38.secondlife.com/my/account/login.php? Type = Second-Life-Member & NEXTPAGE = / my / support / index.php ? new_ticket = true & lang = de-DE
[13:18] Joshua Knave: wen ich da anrufe dan sagen die immer das da keine deutsche mitarbeiter da sind
[13:18] Torley Linden: Nathan, what's an example of that?
[13:18] lonetorus Habilis: torley aparently they dont speak german at german support number
[13:18] Ardy Lay: That would not be good.
[13:18] Youri Ashton: I think you can only ask about your account trough filling in a ticket joshua, none of these Lindens can directly help you out
[13:18] s translator: Ich denke, man kann nur über Ihr Konto Trog Ausfüllen eines Ticket joshua fragen, kann keines dieser Lindens direkt helfen Ihnen aus
[13:18] Torley Linden: Oh my.
[13:18] Gnome Inkpen: Whaaa? No speak German at the German Support center? Fooey!
[13:19] Buddy Winsmore: that's odd…
[13:19] Buddy Winsmore: Live Chat doesn't help?
[13:19] Ardy Lay: I have never called. I use live chat.
[13:19] Youri Ashton: joshua has a banned avitar he said
[13:19] s translator: Joshua hat eine verbotene Avitar sagte er
[13:19] lonetorus Habilis: joshua, du has die nummer 0800.664.5510 angeruft?
[13:19] Youri Ashton: that is why i gave him the link for filling in a ticket
[13:20] s translator: Deshalb habe ich ihm die für das Ausfüllen ein Ticket Link
[13:20] Joshua Knave: ja das get net
[13:20] Buddy Winsmore: I use Live chat all the time too
[13:20] Youri Ashton: usually the only way to try and get it back
[13:20] Joshua Knave: My Account
Are you having a little trouble with your password or security 
[13:20] Arawn Spitteler: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Simone_Linden Would know, whether SL has any German Employees
[13:20] s translator: in der Regel der einzige Weg, um zu versuchen, sie zurück
[13:20] Torley Linden: If you have a banned account, filing a ticket is the right thing to do. There's a ticket type for that which should be in the German section, too.
[13:20] Joshua Knave: das steht immer da
[13:20] lonetorus Habilis: und sie sagst niemand sprechts dutch ?
[13:20] Joshua Knave: My Account
Are you having a little trouble with your password or security 
[13:20] Youri Ashton: joshua: is your account banned or just lost your password?
[13:20] s translator: joshua: Ihr Account gesperrt oder einfach nur Ihr Passwort vergessen?
[13:20] Joshua Knave: und ich weis net was das ist
[13:21] Youri Ashton: ik ben nederlands lone :p
[13:21] s translator: ik ben nederlands Alleinerziehende: p
[13:21] Tillie Ariantho: Joshua: das sagt, daß dein Passwort wohl falsch ist.
[13:21] lonetorus Habilis: danish, same difference, re german ;)
[13:21] Youri Ashton: okay, then you need to reset the password joshua
[13:21] s translator: Okay, dann müssen Sie das Passwort zurücksetzen joshua
[13:21] Torley Linden: Bless you polyglots!
[13:21] Joshua Knave: wie mach ich das ?
[13:22] Youri Ashton: i am sure there should be a button that says something like "reset"
[13:22] s translator: Ich bin sicher, es sollte eine Schaltfläche, dass so etwas sagt, "reset"
[13:22] Nathan Adored: Well, there is tis one sim that.... well, this was a bit of a stink about it in the kid-av community.... ther's this sim that has a thing several paragraphs down into the covenent that says kid-avs aren;t allowed there, and will be ejected on sight. And this is a PG sim. If they want to tell ordinary visitors (not tenents) tht certain sorts of avvies should avoid going there, it should be in a form that someone could conceivably learn of before coming there, since often you can't access the covenent without being ON the sim.... but if the rule is you can't come ON the sim without reading the covenent FIRST...... anything of that nature should be in a welcome center, as posted signs, and anyway, covenents are really meant for paying tenents of the sim anyway, right?
[13:22] Buddy Winsmore: hehe yh talk more than one language is bliss in SL
[13:22] Tillie Ariantho: Joshua: https://secure-web33.secondlife.com/my/account/request.php?lang=de
[13:22] Youri Ashton: sorry doc team for hijacking the OH like this :o
[13:22] s translator: sorry doc-Team für die Entführung der OH wie folgt aus: o
[13:22] Nathan Adored: sorry for the war-and-peace comment there. ㋡
[13:22] Tillie Ariantho: Joshua: Da deinen Namen eingeben, den Code aus der Grafik reintippen dann kriegst Du eine Mail.
[13:23] Buddy Winsmore: if he's stuck somewhere ghosting he won' tbe able to log in either…
[13:23] Joshua Knave: ok
[13:23] Torley Linden: Nathan, ah, before we implemented covenants there was an idea that you should be able to easily see a covenant before teleporting somewhere. Sometimes I see places with welcome areas (for lack of a better term) saying "Realistic humans only past this gate!" and what have you not.
[13:23] Buddy Winsmore: 1) ask the Server Admin to Restart the sim
[13:23] Yana Ember: my friend got ghosted... took 3 week and several tickets to get her out
[13:24] Buddy Winsmore: 2) use live caht to be logged out and be able to log back in
[13:24] Buddy Winsmore: It happend to me more than once actually
[13:24] Marianne McCann: True Torley. Likewise, nto all have "landing points," which is a bit of poor form, I think.
[13:24] Yana Ember: live chat requires a premium account
[13:24] Torley Linden: But unpleasant as it is, Nathan, private estate owners do have the right to determine who can be on their land, including types of avatars, as long as it doesn't otherwise conflict with the Community Standards.
[13:24] Youri Ashton: buddy, he most likely filled in a wrong password, a simple password reset sends a new password to his e-mail account
[13:24] s translator: Kumpel, er höchstwahrscheinlich in ein falsches Passwort, ein einfaches Passwort-Reset gefüllt sendet ein neues Passwort an seine E-Mail-Konto
[13:24] Ardy Lay: He can check his password and account status by logging in to the web site.
[13:24] Torley Linden: Landing point! That's what I was looking for, Mari.
[13:24] Marianne McCann: You're welcome!  :-)
[13:25] Youri Ashton: if he is banned however, he may receive a message for that
[13:25] s translator: wenn er aber verboten ist, kann er eine Nachricht erhalten, dass für
[13:25] Fury Rosewood: i remember there was a sim that would not let furry avatars in
[13:25] Yana Ember: if he cant log into the website then we know whats wrong
[13:25] Fury Rosewood: was some sort of model of a church
[13:25] Nathan Adored: Yeah, that sort of thing wuold be fine by me. It surprises me how many, frex, RP sims don't have such a welcome center that yuo get sent to when you come to the sim from Search, telling youy that,for instance, furries don't exist in tis RP world...
[13:25] Torley Linden: There are various roleplay regions which have a focused theme so they say, "No time travelers!" or "No giant dinosaurs!" etc.
[13:25] Marianne McCann: Fury - likely more than a few of 'em. I recall specifically a German cathedral, as well as many fo the Gorean spots
[13:25] Youri Ashton: hello niky!
[13:25] s translator: Hallo Niky!
[13:25] Nathan Adored: Anyway, it'd make sense to recommend someting liike that in the wiki article on covenents....
[13:25] Niky Zenovka: Niky Zenovka waves
[13:25] Buddy Winsmore: yh true that
[13:25] Niky Zenovka: Hello
[13:25] Fury Rosewood: thats the one Marianne
[13:25] Arawn Spitteler: Some sims don't alow Male Avatars
[13:26] Buddy Winsmore: I alway suse the "visitor" tag
[13:26] Fury Rosewood: actually we started a little protest about it but i found it pointless
[13:26] Torley Linden: Good point Arawn!
[13:26] Fury Rosewood: i just saw them as stupid for doing such
[13:26] Nathan Adored: And that if there IS some sort of restruction on the types of avvies you allow on the sim, that it might be a good idea to palce it in the description of the sim.
[13:26] Torley Linden: Like those isles of lesbians and stuff.
[13:26] Buddy Winsmore: I like to entreview RP sim owners and show them on the web
[13:26] Nathan Adored: the description that typically comes up when someone adds the sim to their Picks.
[13:26] Marianne McCann: Marianne McCann grins
[13:26] Marianne McCann: I remember camming about that one, Fury. I did not bother to try for entrance. I figured if they would not take fur, then they sure werent gonna want the ikes of me underfoot
[13:26] Gnome Inkpen: I hope all sims allow watermelons!
[13:26] Buddy Winsmore: haha
[13:26] Buddy Winsmore: hey they gotta eat : D
[13:27] Buddy Winsmore: !!!
[13:27] Youri Ashton: well, only ladies on a island and you cant touh any should make you really depressed as man :p
[13:27] Fury Rosewood: Fury Rosewood nods
[13:27] Fury Rosewood: its silly
[13:27] Fury Rosewood: its almost as bad as the so called griefers
[13:27] Fury Rosewood: nowadays
[13:27] Arawn Spitteler: God Mode Watermelons can go anywhere. Well, Watermelons Allah-Mode, if you'r Mohammedan
[13:27] Torley Linden: So Nathan, while what we discussed (as long as it doesn't violate CS) is okay in a covenant, certainly, building guidelines for a good experience could be documented more. Of course, certain Residents, from experience, are in a good position to help with that.
[13:28] Youri Ashton: dont mention watermelons buddy! or Torley will pickpocket you to get them!
[13:28] Youri Ashton: :p
[13:28] Buddy Winsmore: rofl
[13:28] Nathan Adored: Anyway, this one particular sim I was talking about..... it is a city cim, with mundane, non-adult stuff in it (PG sim, remember) and the major stink was that they were ejecting ppl even before they could READ the covenent..... that you'd show up, and get ejected the moment you got there.... AS you wre tyrying to read the covenent., Really, really bad move on the part of theone running the sim
[13:28] Marianne McCann: Might be good to provide some "best practice" examples or some such, perhaps.
[13:28] Buddy Winsmore: Watermellon gummy bears!!!
[13:28] Gnome Inkpen: So Arawn, would Waterme Linden be able to go everyWHAR then? :P
[13:28] Torley Linden: I was once rejected from a homeowners' association (in SL) because I couldn't comply with zoning guidelines... but hey... I understand.
[13:28] Youri Ashton: sorry torley, couldnt resist :p
[13:29] Torley Linden: Mari, yeah, maybe like so many other articles we'll put some key points and encourage Residents to fill in vital stuff that's missing.
[13:29] Buddy Winsmore: I still need more group space we shoul dget at least 100!!!
[13:29] Joshua Knave: oh man da sind dan so nachnamen gekommen und ich muste vorname eingeben aber hab das falsch gemacht da get jetzt nix mehr
[13:29] Joshua Knave: Are you having a little trouble with your password or security
question? We can get this straightened out by talking to you. 
[13:29] Torley Linden: *makes a note to blog about covenants...*
[13:30] Nathan Adored: Thjis was literally a case of someone like "They put WHAT in the covenent?!? and popping over ther to see for themselves... and getting ejected the second they got there.
[13:30] Youri Ashton: joshua, you need to remember both first as last name, else it can not give you the password
[13:30] s translator: joshua, müssen Sie sich sowohl an zunächst als Nachname, sonst kann es nicht geben Sie das Kennwort
[13:30] Gnome Inkpen: A region owner once made me leave, because my land was "distracting, out of charecter, blinding, hiteous, and annoying". LOL
[13:30] Ardy Lay: Why is it giving him an English message and a US number to call?
[13:30] Arawn Spitteler: Goreans don't accept Furries, despite my wanting to meet my fellow God-Kings
[13:30] Buddy Winsmore: mmm maybe should exist a covenant guidline from LL
[13:31] Gnome Inkpen: Guess that's what happens when you make everything full bright, glowing, and colored in neon.
[13:31] Gnome Inkpen: :D
[13:31] Youri Ashton: goreans dont accept anyone unless you obay to their laws
[13:31] Buddy Winsmore: so ppl don' tget to nazi when they set them
[13:31] Joshua Knave: ich kann ja beweisen das es mein avatar is ich hab mit den alterüberprüfung gemacht und alles
[13:31] Fury Rosewood: brb have to play with stewie
[13:31] Buddy Winsmore: hehe my land in mainland is right next to a Gorean RP parcel
[13:31] Buddy Winsmore: lulz
[13:32] Yana Ember: i dont get the Gorean thing but... each to their own,
[13:32] Melchizedek Blauvelt: Torley....can I edit your vids to be suitable for disabled veterans, disabled people in general (make them slower, use snapshots, read the text slower etc)?
[13:32] Youri Ashton: name needs to be 100% correct joshua, if it is not, it simply will not be accepted
[13:32] s translator: Name muss 100
[13:32] Marianne McCann: Ya, a lot of the kidsaces are very strict on weapons, nudity and revealing attire (on avvies of any age), language, etc.
[13:32] Nathan Adored: The thing about Goreans is... at least you know going in, by the reputation, that certain kinds of avvies aren't going to exist there....
[13:32] Jonathan Yap: Translator goofed after/on the %
[13:33] Buddy Winsmore: keep a notebook next to the computer and write down all the log in data when ye resgister any account
[13:33] Buddy Winsmore: and details like security question and answer
[13:34] Nathan Adored: Hmmmm..... that 100% correct ont he name thing, would that include cases sensativeness?
[13:34] Youri Ashton: yup
[13:34] Nathan Adored: That is, you gotta have the name capitalised exactly the way it was originally?
[13:34] Joshua Knave: ich kann nicht mehr machen
[13:34] Joshua Knave: My Account
Are you having a little trouble with your password or security 
[13:35] Nathan Adored: Figured as much. :D
[13:35] Joshua Knave: das steht dan immer da
[13:35] Arawn Spitteler: case Sensitivity? Definitely part of the name
[13:35] Youri Ashton: ah, he is on english website
[13:35] Yana Ember: lol
[13:35] Kate Linden: Joshua: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:I_forgot_my_password._What_should_I_do%3F/de
[13:35] Youri Ashton: joshua, left top corner you see "language"
[13:35] s translator: joshua, linken oberen Ecke sehen Sie "Sprache"
[13:35] Youri Ashton: change this to your own language, german
[13:35] s translator: ändern zu Ihrer eigenen Sprache, Deutsch
[13:36] Buddy Winsmore: Be Right Back!! ツ
[13:36] Youri Ashton: you should be able to read it all much better then
[13:36] s translator: Sie sollten in der Lage, das alles viel besser lesen, dann
[13:36] Nathan Adored: Anyway, I do think that it should be stressed that covenents are really meant mostly to tell how tenents (those that rent spaces) are expected to behave themselves, and that any rules on how guests should conduct themselves should be placed with moderation.... and not be excessive and unfair.
[13:36] Knowledge Bear v1.2d: Thank you, sandhya2 Patel! Let me show you the web page where you can find the Knowledge Base.
[13:36] Torley Linden: In summary re: land access, even though it's not "nice" per se, the landowner can eject whoever they want without explaining so.
[13:37] Marianne McCann: Marianne McCann has done that herself
[13:37] Nathan Adored: true, but having mention in there that "WEll, you CAN do that, but... you KNOW doing it the more fair way IS the right thing to do... socially and morally..."
[13:37] Arawn Spitteler: I've been griefed by estate owner, but then she trusted another estate owner, as a land manager
[13:38] Torley Linden: Each case is really different, too, sometimes you just get a time-wasting jerk who can't be reasoned with, and so, you gotta boot them. But each case is different so it's not useful to generalize. =)
[13:38] Youri Ashton: nice avi, tillie!
[13:38] Youri Ashton: really cute!
[13:38] Tillie Ariantho: ^^
[13:38] Nathan Adored: It might also be worth stating that one SHOULD (voluntarily, of course) try to set the bar VERY high before saying certain kinda of avvies shouldn't be there.
[13:38] Arawn Spitteler: It's generally not useful to generalise, but sometimes it might be
[13:39] Joshua Knave: ich bedanke mich aber es kommt trotzdem immer diese eine meldung und so wie ich verstanden habe muss ich da anrufen
[13:39] Buddy Winsmore: back
[13:39] Arawn Spitteler: Arawn Spitteler wonders if Gor has any little trees, walking about
[13:39] Youri Ashton: no problem joshua! hope you can get back on your account!
[13:39] s translator: joshua kein Problem! hoffe, Sie können wieder auf Ihr Konto erhalten!
[13:39] Torley Linden: Nathan, while we can encourage overall friendliness (I'm all for that), we can't scrutinize details of social/moral codes — that's where Resident-to-Resident conflict resolution comes in. For instance, if estate managers have a problem with a covenant's harsh rules, they should take it up with the owner, as they're likely to be friends or business partners, and thus have some influence. It is an intriguing topic.
[13:39] Nathan Adored: i.e. an RP sim that doesn't allow furries should state that, furries wil not be brought into the RP group, but that furries could still look around so long as they don't try to join in in the RP
[13:39] Buddy Winsmore: yh good luck : )
[13:40] Ardy Lay: I don't go to private places and make demands on how they treat people. If I don't like the way they treat me I leave. I haven't had any problems.
[13:40] Marianne McCann: Ya, my thought would be a "suggestions and best practices." Can't tell someone what to do, but might be able to give them tips for making it better all around. Less hassles and drama for them, happier residents on both sides
[13:40] Joshua Knave: ja vielen dank
[13:40] Nathan Adored: Okay, take the "morally and socially" out, but still might be worth adding a comment that "You know it is the right thing to do in most case..." Kind of appeal to their sense of fair play there.
[13:40] Joshua Knave: nochmal
[13:40] Sacha Swindlehurst: i ve only been asked to leave in very few places in 3 years
[13:41] Buddy Winsmore: if yer only visiting should be allowed as visitor , cuz visitors are "invisible" to RP
[13:41] Sacha Swindlehurst: and i go like this 99% of the time
[13:41] Ardy Lay: I accidentally wandered into a combat simulation and they halted fighting so somebody could approach me and ask me to leave. They were polite about it.
[13:41] Torley Linden: Sometimes similar questions come up on SL Answers, and they tend to be social communication issues (or misunderstandings) rather than, say, mechanics. Sometimes UI improvements can assist that, though. Gosh knows how many misunderstandings I've seen just because one IM got missed (!).
[13:41] Youri Ashton: nathan: i think furries shouldnt be a problem at all. although i do say that even they should be dressed to the RP zone, and not run around nakid so to speak.
[13:41] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Sahkolihaa Contepomi has never been asked to leave an area.
[13:42] Buddy Winsmore: well most sims are furry friendly
[13:42] Youri Ashton: furries say a lot that they are suppost to be nakid, or are infact dressed since they have fur, but fur alone does not cover genitals for example
[13:42] Buddy Winsmore: most sci-fi RPs in SL allow furries too
[13:42] Ardy Lay: I can understand how many interruptions may drive them to be more millitant about entry rules.
[13:42] Nathan Adored: Might also be worth placing a comment in there that goes like: You don't want to allow certain avvies. Well, think about why you don't, and if you pull that type of avvie out of the sentance "XYZ isn't allowe dher" and substitute, say, a rel-life minority there, and place yourself in the shoes of that real-life minority and how they'd react to being told they don't belong tere.
[13:43] Youri Ashton: still can be seen as offensice
[13:43] Youri Ashton: offensive*
[13:43] Yana Ember: most furries dont wear genitals
[13:43] Torley Linden: Buddy, I do very much like the crossovers. Like Stargate furries.
[13:43] Buddy Winsmore: a furry not wearing any clothes?
[13:43] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: There are some.
[13:43] Buddy Winsmore: yh
[13:43] Ardy Lay: I suppose so but I don't want people coming to my place and demanding their rightsm which they really don't have.
[13:43] Buddy Winsmore: but that's not offensive
[13:43] Arawn Spitteler: Genitals have to be added, but I haven't the lick self animation
[13:43] Nathan Adored: You know tho, furries do sometimes go to nudist places, and wear furry-style genitals there.
[13:44] Buddy Winsmore: they don't have genitals attached
[13:44] Yana Ember: there are some but they dont go into public areas wearing them
[13:44] Nathan Adored: but te fact that they do sometimes wera them shouldn't reflect on furries in general
[13:44] Torley Linden: Some of this is beyond the scope of our discussion and what the Doc Team can directly help with (it's more of a governance thing), but as shown, definitely on people's minds.
[13:44] Youri Ashton: like ardy and fury, they are dressed. although its ardly noticable though color choises. still that should be okay
[13:44] Buddy Winsmore: yh but usually in day to day occurrences furries don' trun around with theier gens tingling
[13:44] Buddy Winsmore: hahaha
[13:44] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Hey, Que and I are dressed too. :p
[13:45] Arawn Spitteler: Oh, the Doc Issue is the Torley Tut on Covenant Issues
[13:45] Youri Ashton: true Torley, Scott should be asked for that subject
[13:45] Buddy Winsmore: hehe true
[13:45] Youri Ashton: he has his OH tomorrow
[13:45] Torley Linden: The path of equating or closely comparing one's avatar choice to, say, homophobia or racism, is a very very thorny area we shall not get into. :)
[13:45] Yana Ember: whens the gov Office hour?
[13:45] Youri Ashton: lol, agreed
[13:45] Yana Ember: tomorrow
[13:45] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Tomorrow before the open source OH.
[13:45] Arawn Spitteler: Governor doesn't exist
[13:45] Jonathan Yap: I have a doc question: Can the entries in http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_Hours be sorted by time within a day?
[13:45] Youri Ashton: [13:45] GG Office Hours HUD v1.5: Thursday, 1:00 PM: Scott Linden: Real Life Life Government in Second Life
  http://slurl.com/secondlife/Borrowdale/157/155/23
[13:45] Marianne McCann: They're holding Governance OHs again?
[13:45] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: But it's a real-life government in SL OH.
[13:45] Yana Ember: no Scott does the government one
[13:45] Ardy Lay: We live in a PG region on the mainland. Cloting is not required there but exposure is not allowed either.
[13:46] Buddy Winsmore: well as long as the avatar itself is not offensive, I think it's a go
[13:46] Buddy Winsmore: oh kewl
[13:46] Buddy Winsmore: we should elect a SL goverment hehe
[13:46] Yana Ember: i need to take this guys obsession with getting us banned to someone
[13:46] Arawn Spitteler: In SL, being hated for Judaism or Blackness might be part of the game
[13:46] Ardy Lay: Hehe.. we have "PG nude", like Wile E. Cyote.
[13:47] Niky Zenovka: I think the best government is common sense...
[13:47] Youri Ashton: i rather see the person using the avitar behaving to the ToS of the RP zone, or any area they might be, instead of having a discussion about furry vs human
[13:47] Nathan Adored: Anyway, the scuttlebutt I'd heard abot that particular sim (actually, its a SET of sims) from someone that was there.... was that the reason they didn't want to allow kid-avs on atheir PG sim was.... and belive me, this is heresay and I have no idea how true or untrue this might be..... but the scuttlebut was that they believed "There is no reason for anyone to ever be a kid-av in SL. Any that want to be... well, they're all just a bunch of pedos, anyway..." OO And so, that is why they don't want kid-avs on atheir PG sim. Oo
[13:47] Buddy Winsmore: that' s totally agains ToS and shoul dbe reported
[13:47] Youri Ashton: what is buddy?
[13:47] Buddy Winsmore: bigottery
[13:48] Buddy Winsmore: towards any group no matter which
[13:48] Ardy Lay: I have seen places with "minimum avatar height" rules.
[13:48] Arawn Spitteler: We allow Women, why not Bigots?
[13:48] Buddy Winsmore: OMG rofl
[13:48] Nathan Adored: Again, I have no idea how true or untrue that is.... it may be really badly garbled info by someone that majorly mishead it third or fourthhand through the Telephone Game
[13:48] Torley Linden: Usually with policy matters like this, we need to consult with other teams/departments that have ownership and further subject matter knowledge.
[13:48] Buddy Winsmore: cuz biggots don' tallow anyone but themselves
[13:48] Youri Ashton: think i rather stay out of that one :p
[13:49] Torley Linden: And, as I'll often say, we can't act on hearsay in disputes. Substantiation is required.
[13:49] Buddy Winsmore: well bigottery is reportable that's what I wanted to say, but I rather keep out of that theme
[13:49] Nathan Adored: Still if it IS true that their restricting kid-avs fromthe sim based on THAT rationall.... yeah, I'd say it might be time for someone from G-Team to go talk to the wners.
[13:49] Arawn Spitteler: Bigotry is a religious practice, btw, and are entitled to their own builds
[13:49] Torley Linden: So often I hear "Some Linden said that..." and I go, "Which Linden?" and they don't have a name, and finally they fess up to having make it up to give it perceived credibility, when all it does is scare folks. That doesn't help anyone.
[13:49] Buddy Winsmore: hehe
[13:50] Torley Linden: *made it up, same same but different!
[13:50] Arawn Spitteler: Which Linden is a particular choice
[13:50] Gnome Inkpen: Agreed Torley. :)
[13:50] Torley Linden: Heh, sometimes people falsely source Lindens who aren't even real people. Or not at LL anymore.
[13:50] Ardy Lay: I rarely pay attention to statements beginning with "They said....". Define "They" for me and I might consider it.
[13:50] Youri Ashton: i heared last week say something like that to me
[13:50] Torley Linden: Aye, Ardy...
[13:51] Youri Ashton: tried to offend me by using lindens
[13:51] Torley Linden: Gotta chop the slop!
[13:51] Torley Linden: Today's world is confusing enough.
[13:51] Arawn Spitteler: Arawn Spitteler could always teleport Phillip Linden in, to back up his statements, but the guy is always away.
[13:51] Youri Ashton: lol
[13:51] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Sahkolihaa Contepomi is always confused.
[13:51] Youri Ashton: philip is not on
[13:51] Reaper Batista: lol
[13:51] Youri Ashton: or... not on my friends list at least
[13:51] Torley Linden: Anyone else here into NCIS? Think of Gibbs' interrogating style, haha.
[13:51] Gnome Inkpen whispers: OMG I LOVE NCIS
[13:51] Youri Ashton: I am torley!
[13:51] Reaper Batista: i am
[13:52] Gnome Inkpen: :D
[13:52] Youri Ashton: haha, love his style :p
[13:52] Reaper Batista: personally I like House over NCIS tho
[13:52] Youri Ashton: makes you realllly dont wanna be in that room at that time :p
[13:52] Niky Zenovka: Niky Zenovka now has to watch NCIS to understand what the talk is about.
[13:52] Torley Linden: I don't watch House but I can appreciate the good characterization, and the fact Hugh Laurie has a VERY convincing American accent.
[13:52] Reaper Batista: what
[13:52] Peaceful Guardian: LOL
[13:52] Arawn Spitteler: See, he's on my side
[13:52] Reaper Batista: the
[13:52] Reaper Batista: heck
[13:52] Nathan Adored: <--- much more of a space-opera type
[13:53] Peaceful Guardian: used to love blackadder
[13:53] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Blackadder!
[13:53] Gnome Inkpen: When I first found out Hugh Laurie is british. I thought it was a prank.
[13:53] Reaper Batista: im
[13:53] Torley Linden: I like Rowan Atkinson lots.
[13:53] Reaper Batista: in jello?
[13:53] Youri Ashton: the actor playing Gibbs is btw in a movie now
[13:53] Reaper Batista: Reaper Batista begins to eat his way out
[13:53] Niky Zenovka: Niky Zenovka likes Big Bang Theory....
[13:53] Torley Linden: Hahaha Gnome, same here! Same reaction with finding out, who is that guy who played Spike on Buffy... James Marsters!
[13:53] Youri Ashton: forgot the name tho
[13:53] Torley Linden: I was like "He's really an American? No way."
[13:53] Gnome Inkpen: LOL :D
[13:54] Torley Linden: Big Bang Theory was recommended to me for sheer geeky fun but I haven't seen more than a few clips.
[13:54] Gnome Inkpen: Some accents are so convincing!
[13:54] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Sahkolihaa Contepomi gets too many people around him when he speaks on voice.
[13:54] Peaceful Guardian: Like Lucy Lawless?
[13:54] Gnome Inkpen: Big Bang Theory is lotza geekatoid fun!
[13:54] Yana Ember: leanord from big bang played the kid in national lampoons christmas vacation
[13:54] Torley Linden: Someday we'll have automatic accent "translators" for voices along with voice-changers and we'll laugh at more primitive times.
[13:54] Youri Ashton: i get lots of recommendations, hardly do anything with them due lack of time
[13:55] Reaper Batista: LOL @ jeremy linden
[13:55] Reaper Batista has pinged you.
[13:55] Jeremy Linden: LOL @ me? :-O
[13:55] Reaper Batista: for the lovely jellol
[13:55] Jeremy Linden: Aha!
[13:55] Gnome Inkpen: I gotta say though, Abby on NCIS, is one of my fav charecters.
[13:55] Reaper Batista: lol
[13:55] Torley Linden: Abby is hawt.
[13:55] Jeremy Linden: A lifelike replica if ever there was.
[13:55] Gnome Inkpen: I agree Torley!
[13:55] Torley Linden: I can appreciate Abby's enthusiasm.
[13:55] Torley Linden: ^_^
[13:55] Youri Ashton: abby looks great indeed!
[13:55] Torley Linden: I've seen a few Abby lookalikes in SL...
[13:55] Gnome Inkpen: Abby reminds me of you, Torley.
[13:55] Reaper Batista: abby is awesome
[13:55] Nathan Adored: So, wer'e going to have a wiki article on.... actors accents? :D
[13:56] Reaper Batista: although odd XD
[13:56] Torley Linden: Awe.
[13:56] Nathan Adored: (That's a joke, folks... I'm just being silly)
[13:56] Youri Ashton: same for me torley, love her character in the movie, and she looks just great, specially in that halloween episode :p
[13:56] Gnome Inkpen: She's so energetic, and so emotionally filled (if that's the word I;m looking for)
[13:56] Gnome Inkpen: I'm*
[13:56] Marianne McCann: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Category:Accents
[13:56] Niky Zenovka: Will have to go.... unfortunatelly... take care everyone... *muah* - byes...
[13:56] Torley Linden: Nathan, well while we can't include all the specifics you requested, I'm certainly going to blog about covenants in general soon and put a call out for tips from successful estate owners and such. It'll show up on http://secondlife.com/tnt =)
[13:57] Torley Linden: Take care Niky!
[13:57] Reaper Batista: XD jeremy why the random jello tho.....although i guess its better than being stuck in a cage
[13:57] Reaper Batista has pinged you.
[13:57] Niky Zenovka: 3.2.1.poof
[13:57] Gnome Inkpen: Can't wait for that article Torley. :D
[13:57] Nathan Adored: There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or edit this page.
[13:57] Nathan Adored: heh
[13:57] Jeremy Linden: Aha, Reaper... That's what Jon Linden looks like!
[13:57] Marianne McCann: I still think they ate Jon
[13:57] Torley Linden: It's related to http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/SLetiquette which we can't endorse.
[13:57] Reaper Batista: LOL
[13:57] Torley Linden: But various people have best practices!
[13:58] Reaper Batista: you should endorse emerald :P
[13:58] Reaper Batista: Reaper Batista runs
[13:58] Nathan Adored: Torley: Fine my me, just as long as some stuff in there about treating vistirors failrly, I'm happy. :D
[13:58] Arawn Spitteler: Emerald? Don't the Lindens all use Restrained Life Viewer?
[13:58] Reaper Batista: no
[13:58] Torley Linden: Arawn, HOW DID YOU KNOW.
[13:59] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: O_O
[13:59] Nathan Adored: oO
[13:59] Torley Linden: J/K.
[13:59] Reaper Batista: they all use the newbie viewer
[13:59] Reaper Batista: the one that gets 10FPS?
[13:59] Nathan Adored: I figure most Lindens probably use the SL viewer
[13:59] Reaper Batista: lol
[13:59] Reaper Batista: XD JK JK
[13:59] Torley Linden: I've used most of the 3rd-party ones.
[13:59] Reaper Batista: yeah but I have to say Emerald is the best
[13:59] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: Sahkolihaa Contepomi uses Open Metaverse Viewer.
[13:59] Arawn Spitteler: Arawn Spitteler's been to Vineland at noon on Thursdays
[13:59] Reaper Batista: It does wonders on four cores
[13:59] Fury Rosewood: i honestly prefer snowglobe
[13:59] Nathan Adored: I've heard it SAID that there might even be some sort of unwritten company policy that they do.... but... who knows...
[13:59] Torley Linden: Linden Lab's 3rd-Party Viewer Registry is still in the works, exciting stuff, so stay tuned... :)
[14:00] Youri Ashton: i see kate typing, but i dont see her txt appear
[14:00] Yana Ember: Emerald crashes more than the Linden one for me... i just like the forced ground sit
[14:00] Reaper Batista: lol
[14:00] Torley Linden: But now I must go to a meeting, alas!
[14:00] Reaper Batista: awwwww
[14:00] Sahkolihaa Contepomi: See you Torley. :P
[14:00] Torley Linden: It's been good hanging out with y'all, thanks for being with Doc Team. ^_^
[14:00] Arawn Spitteler: I think it's called, "Eating your own Dog Food."

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