Doc Team/2010-05-12

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[13:03] Youri Ashton: hey jeremy
[13:03] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:03] Jeremy Linden: Hello!
[13:03] Nathan Adored: HellloJeremy
[13:03] Nathan Adored has pinged you.
[13:03] KirstenLee Cinquetti: elloo
[13:03] Dawny Daviau: Hiya jeremy
[13:03] Dawny Daviau has pinged you.
[13:03] Daniel Voyager: hey Jeremy
[13:03] Daniel Voyager has pinged you.
[13:04] Jeremy Linden: How is everyone this week?
[13:04] Nathan Adored: fine so far
[13:04] Aargle Zymurgy: doing dandy
[13:04] Youri Ashton: good here jeremy, how about yourself?
[13:04] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:04] Dawny Daviau: Peachy
[13:04] Aargle Zymurgy: do I hear a "hunky dory?"
[13:04] Jeremy Linden: Pretty good! I had to miss last week because I was at a big technical writer conference in Dallas :-)
[13:05] Youri Ashton: wasnt here most of last week :p
[13:05] Nathan Adored: I missed last week because of..... somthing else going on on another grid. Or was that the week before?
[13:05] Youri Ashton: i been playing guildwars most of the time :p
[13:05] Jeremy Linden: Guild Wars is fun!
[13:05] Youri Ashton: so all alone this week jeremy?
[13:05] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:05] Youri Ashton: sure is!
[13:05] Jeremy Linden: I dunno! I might be, if Kate or Jon don't show up.
[13:05] Youri Ashton: working on my assasin
[13:06] Youri Ashton: that means torley surely wont show?
[13:06] Jeremy Linden: Torley isn't officially on Doc Team anymore. He moved over to a new team that got formed in the Lab :-/
[13:06] Youri Ashton: omg, to bad to hear him leaving this team
[13:07] Nathan Adored: /me wonders what a Community Translator is, and what sorts of theings you can Translate a Community into. :D
[13:07] Youri Ashton: lol
[13:07] Youri Ashton: its a volunteer team helping LL translate the viewer mostly from english to other langauges
[13:07] Jeremy Linden: Hmm... I imagine that would be translators from the community :-P
[13:07] Nathan Adored: Torley is off the Office Hours? oO
[13:07] Jeremy Linden: I think he'll still be showing up frequently. He's really busy today, though.
[13:07] Nathan Adored: I know, I just.... like having goofy fun with language. (giggles)
[13:08] Jeremy Linden: +1!
[13:08] Youri Ashton: well wish him the best jeremy! we sure will miss him!
[13:08] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:08] Nathan Adored: One of the things that makes it fun being a kid-av: the ability to invoke goofy puns and wacky language-manglings on people. heh
[13:08] Youri Ashton: so euhm.. what topic did you have for us jeremy?
[13:08] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:08] Jeremy Linden: I think that extends to many Lindens as well, Nathan.
[13:09] Nathan Adored:
[13:09] Jeremy Linden: Topic? Hmm... Has anyone had any interesting experiences (good or bad) with the wiki or help in the viewer lately?
[13:10] KirstenLee Cinquetti: viewer 2.0 help, will it be updated to reflect the changes upcoming in 2.0.2
[13:10] Jeremy Linden: Presumably, KristenLee. We're trying our best to stay on top of all the changes coming through!
[13:10] Aargle Zymurgy: I'm still anxious for the viewer to give more warnings about linking and unlinking. I have too many customers make a hash of everything they own because they think they have to link objects in order to move them as a group
[13:10] Youri Ashton: havnt been really looking at the wiki lately myself, but i do notice it could be handy to make it easier to navigate
[13:11] Youri Ashton: a lot of info you can only get by taking very longg routes around
[13:11] Youri Ashton: so that needs to be taken care of
[13:11] Jeremy Linden: That's a constant problem, Youri. Lately, I've been grouping pages together using navboxes, like this: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_2_Quick_Start_Guide
[13:11] KirstenLee Cinquetti: there's some fairly big changes afoot, snapshots
[13:11] KirstenLee Cinquetti: for instance
[13:12] Youri Ashton: for example, looking up my name, you will get all kinds of OH logs but not my actual page
[13:12] Youri Ashton: neither if you touch my name
[13:12] Youri Ashton: as just a example
[13:13] Jeremy Linden: Interesting. Is that a result of a Google search on the wiki?
[13:13] Jeremy Linden: When I search for "Youri Ashton", your user page is the first search result.
[13:13] Youri Ashton: search result on my name: http://www.google.com/cse?cx=004599080153867122396:yq7nhvunuvi&ie=UTF-8&q=youri+ashton&sa=Search
[13:14] KirstenLee Cinquetti: same here
[13:14] Youri Ashton: what it suppost to give: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Youri_Ashton
[13:14] Youri Ashton: its now in first link i see
[13:14] Youri Ashton: but it was actually not even listed at all
[13:14] KirstenLee Cinquetti: google has been having a few changes lately of its own ^^
[13:14] Youri Ashton: its the same with lots of other items
[13:14] Youri Ashton: simple hard to reach or hard to find at all
[13:15] Youri Ashton: not just profiles on residents
[13:15] Jeremy Linden: What kind of improvements would you like to see in order to improve that experience?
[13:15] Nathan Adored: So, is the wiki users attached to their SL user account?
[13:15] Aargle Zymurgy: ugh... I think my sim needs resetting
[13:15] Youri Ashton: office hours are infact also hard to find, a simple plain page that needs to be linked to main page, not hard to find
[13:15] Nathan Adored: or is it independant, passwordwise?
[13:16] Aargle Zymurgy: gotta run. thanks for your time, Jeremy!
[13:16] Aargle Zymurgy has pinged you.
[13:16] Youri Ashton: no nathan
[13:16] Youri Ashton: you can create your own page of your own SL name on sl wiki
[13:16] Nathan Adored: so I'd have to create a new account on the wiki
[13:16] Youri Ashton: only you will be allowed to touch it so to say
[13:16] Jeremy Linden: If you have a Second Life account, you can use that username and password to log into the wiki.
[13:17] Nathan Adored: oh, so I don't have to create a seperate password on the wiki? I just plug in my SL credentials and awayh we go?
[13:17] KirstenLee Cinquetti: its case sensitive too i believe
[13:17] Jeremy Linden: For all practical purposes, yes. I'm not familiar with the back-end details that make it work, though :-)
[13:17] Youri Ashton: well you could take it into the team as a note :p
[13:18] Jeremy Linden: Same goes for the blog and public Jira as well. Your Second Life account credentials should get you into almost every Second Life service.
[13:18] Nathan Adored: (tests it) Yup, it accepted my SL password. kewl
[13:18] KirstenLee Cinquetti: oh.. the jira being updated soon yes?
[13:18] Jeremy Linden: I haven't heard, KristenLee. Was there an announcement?
[13:19] Youri Ashton: to make a new page with your name: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Nathan_Adored
[13:19] Youri Ashton: as example
[13:19] Youri Ashton: hi visa
[13:19] Youri Ashton: vista*
[13:19] KirstenLee Cinquetti: well i got an email from alexa about clearing out pre 1.22 issues before an update
[13:19] KirstenLee Cinquetti: think its version 4.0 upgrade or something
[13:19] KirstenLee Cinquetti: don't quote me on that tho it was early this morning pre -coffee
[13:20] Youri Ashton: think you should IM her and ask what she is trying to tell you, Alexa is from the bug triage team
[13:20] Nathan Adored: Yup, guess I need to insert an extended guide to what makes me me there. :D
[13:20] Jeremy Linden: Heh. Unfortunately, I don't interact with the public Jira very much myself. I can try to look into it, though.
[13:20] Youri Ashton: unless jeremy has another suggestion :p
[13:20] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:20] Youri Ashton: eep
[13:20] KirstenLee Cinquetti: would be nice to know what new features the upgrade might have
[13:21] Youri Ashton: big thing infront of my cam!
[13:21] Jeremy Linden: Whoa, massive avatar.
[13:21] KirstenLee Cinquetti: or if it makes the handy tutorial vids obsolete
[13:21] Nathan Adored: Hello Vista Questi, do you have a younger brother Win7 Questi and an older brother WinXP Questi? :D
[13:21] Youri Ashton: oh hi laurent!
[13:21] Laurent Bechir: hello
[13:21] Youri Ashton: dont pluck my feathers please!
[13:21] Vista Questi: oh thanks for asking but im a totally linuxed bunny, actualy .
[13:22] Nathan Adored:
[13:22] Vista Questi: off on a quest for new vistas! that's how i arrived here, that and my human had a vondess for the 'v' thing. hee hee
[13:22] Laurent Bechir: I think I'm going to stay where I am ;))
[13:22] Nathan Adored: :D
[13:23] Nathan Adored: Really neat av, anyway.
[13:23] Jeremy Linden: Incoming Kate!
[13:23] Vista Questi: aww thanks, i get that alot. pls don't let my beauty interrupt the discussion tho'.! L)
[13:23] Jeremy Linden: Ha. I'm so used to seeing Laurent as a tiny bunny that the giant ape is messing with me :-P
[13:23] Kate Linden: Hi :)
[13:23] Dawny Daviau: Hiya Kate
[13:24] Laurent Bechir: :)
[13:24] Kate Linden: /me is still rezzing
[13:24] Vista Questi: that ape s freakin' amazing!
[13:24] Vista Questi: anyone sharing pictures, yet?
[13:24] Nathan Adored: is there an Empire State Building for him to climb? :D
[13:24] Laurent Bechir: let me know If I'm provoking some lag so I change avatar
[13:24] Kate Linden: What's the topic on the table?
[13:25] Vista Questi: he'd might like to yiff it, if this is the sl i know of. lol
[13:25] Nathan Adored: lol
[13:25] KirstenLee Cinquetti: was just asking a few odds n sods about jira
[13:25] KirstenLee Cinquetti: impending upgrade
[13:26] Jeremy Linden: /me is trying to ping Alexa internally, but she seems to be away from her desk.
[13:26] Drew Dwi: Yoz's office hour is the best place to ask about that
[13:26] KirstenLee Cinquetti: ahh np i got another Q tho
[13:26] Laurent Bechir: any mac user here ? I've read a bench about Mac being very late behind Windows concerning OpenGL. Dos it impact Second Life ?
[13:26] KirstenLee Cinquetti: when you post a bug
[13:26] KirstenLee Cinquetti: and it gets a reference
[13:27] KirstenLee Cinquetti: usually DEV-some number
[13:27] KirstenLee Cinquetti: you can search that
[13:27] Youri Ashton: ugh... trying to make a photo and i crash >.>
[13:27] s translator: ぐふ...と私はクラッシュ>写真をしようとして。>を
[13:27] KirstenLee Cinquetti: what about EXT-
[13:27] Youri Ashton: hey kate!
[13:27] s translator: ちょっとケイト!
[13:27] Kate Linden: Hi Youri
[13:27] KirstenLee Cinquetti: bugs assigned EXT-some number
[13:27] KirstenLee Cinquetti: is that external?
[13:27] Youri Ashton: sorry to hear about torley not being in this team any more kate :o
[13:28] s translator: ごめんトーリーこのチーム内の任意のケイトの詳細されていない聞いて:oを
[13:28] Niky Zenovka: Hello and sorry if I stepped on someone. Testing a text viewer on mobile.
[13:28] Laurent Bechir: why is it so ?
[13:28] Jeremy Linden: To my knowledge, EXT is a somewhat restricted bug type. Only Lindens and approved testers can access EXT Jira items.
[13:29] Nathan Adored: what is EXT?
[13:29] KirstenLee Cinquetti: ahh so if assigned EXT will any feed back be sent back to the un-restricted original report or is it then in the lap of the gods
[13:30] Laurent Bechir: Jeremy : is this why Torley doesn't come ?
[13:30] Laurent Bechir has pinged you.
[13:30] Youri Ashton: jeremy said earlier he was not with the doc team any more
[13:30] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:30] Jeremy Linden: /me reads back.
[13:30] Kate Linden: Kirsten good question. I've not used EXT JIRA other than as Kate so I have no first hand knowledge. I'll ask!
[13:30] KirstenLee Cinquetti: just like to track and follow progress on some issues
[13:31] Laurent Bechir: ok he is doing something else I guess
[13:31] Jeremy Linden: I may have mis-represented his motivations. I think he still wants to come, but he's really busy today and can't make it just this one time.
[13:31] Youri Ashton: hmm.. new info of that aircraft crash in Libia
[13:31] Nathan Adored: Ah, so he's not gone, just not.... official? :D
[13:32] Jeremy Linden: Something like that :-)
[13:32] Drew Dwi: speaking of jira, any plans to update the videos on the front page? they are from 2008 and have outdated info :X
[13:32] Kate Linden: /me looks
[13:32] Youri Ashton: ask alexa i guess
[13:32] Youri Ashton: hey arawn
[13:33] Jeremy Linden: It sounds like we are in fact updating Jira. Alexa's been trying to clean up all the obsolete issues in there so we can get a fresh start.
[13:33] Youri Ashton: i been urging her indeed to clean it up
[13:33] Arawn Spitteler: Is that why I've been seeing Such and such is closed?
[13:34] Youri Ashton: lots of mess on there and it is infact used to spam messages
[13:34] Kate Linden: I'll watch the videos after this meeting and see if the content is still accurate. If it's not, I'll see what we can do to get them updated
[13:34] Drew Dwi: anything marked for viewers older than 1.22 are being closed
[13:34] Drew Dwi: if they don't affect 1.23 / 2.0.1
[13:35] Youri Ashton: a lot of old stuff can be archived as well, pretty much useless stuff not used any more. does need to stay on there just in case we find a similar bug
[13:35] Drew Dwi: Kate - the how to file a bug video is 15 mins too >.> thats like 10 minutes longer than most residents patience is when filing a bug
[13:35] Laurent Bechir: is there a way to keep teleport history when changing computer when going on SL ? I have made a feature request to be able to choose the preferences folder to be able to use dropbox, but I don't know if it is the best
[13:35] Kate Linden: Good point
[13:36] Kate Linden: Have any of you seen Torley's latest blog post on TNT about Inventory Links?
[13:36] Kate Linden: http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/tnt/blog/2010/05/11/inventory-links-explained-demystified-hot-questions-answered-etc
[13:36] Kate Linden: He's made a video tutorial and a new KB article
[13:36] Arawn Spitteler: New Bug Filers don't know how to look up, whether the bug is already thee.
[13:36] Vista Questi: i dunno . .some things are NOT bugs, so u dont wana easy entry point for that.
[13:36] Youri Ashton: if you copy your folders to that new computer, then yes it should be working
[13:36] Jeremy Linden: Hmm... Interesting suggestion, Laurent. I've bene using Google Chrome lately, and I like the way it synchronizes most settings and bookmarks between computers.
[13:36] KirstenLee Cinquetti: Opera does that too
[13:36] Youri Ashton: the tp history is part of the temp files
[13:37] Drew Dwi: most things are not bugs just people frustrated who wound up at JIRA instead of support >.>
[13:37] Laurent Bechir: and they are not in the preferences folder ?
[13:37] Youri Ashton: a lot actually go to jira instead of support as well
[13:38] Youri Ashton: so your point is?
[13:38] Arawn Spitteler: /me figures it's a bug, if "expected behaviour" is counter intuitive.
[13:38] Arawn Spitteler: WEB-814 is still outstanding?
[13:38] Youri Ashton: think we should go back to sl wiki :)
[13:38] Youri Ashton: this is not bug triage :p
[13:39] KirstenLee Cinquetti: I was just a bit frustrated that I posted a bug , but because it relates to an EXT I can't track it back to what it actually relates too :)
[13:39] Arawn Spitteler: EXT?
[13:39] Kate Linden: Kirsten, think of it as being similar to a pjira bug report linking to a DEV JIRA..same thing.
[13:40] Jeremy Linden: /me nods.
[13:40] Jeremy Linden: EXT is only different from internal JIRA numbers because some Residents need to be able to file them.
[13:41] Youri Ashton: internal jira's usually end up being worked on before the new ones
[13:41] Laurent Bechir: Here is the link to my JIRA for those who are interested : http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-19459
[13:42] Youri Ashton: think you should go to bug triage or poke Nyx Linden
[13:42] Kate Linden: Does anyone have questions about Inventory Links?
[13:43] Youri Ashton: not that i know of atm kate
[13:43] Arawn Spitteler: What's an Inventory Link?
[13:43] Drew Dwi: do you know what happends to them when you go back to 1.23? do they just not exist?
[13:44] Kate Linden: Arawn, in Viewer 2 we introducted inventory links where you have the ability to add a no copy item in your inventory to another outfit. What happens is you are actually creating a link to that original.
[13:44] Jeremy Linden: Your links aren't destroyed when you go back to 1.23, but you won't be able to access them, and sometimes some strange things can happen with your outfits when you switch back to Viewer 2.
[13:44] Kate Linden: Important things to know about Inventory Links are that if you add an item to multiple outfits , any changes made to the original also appear in the item it's linked to.
[13:44] Drew Dwi: yea, I noticed when I log back into 2.0 i'm wearing something completely different
[13:45] Arawn Spitteler: Oh, using a no copy item in two outfits? I didn't know we couldn't
[13:45] Kate Linden: An analogy... think of a web page and I give you my URL. If I change my web page content, the URL goes to the changed page.
[13:45] Kate Linden: er well that wasn't well said
[13:45] Kate Linden: lol
[13:46] Kate Linden: The URL goes to the same page with the latest changes
[13:46] Arawn Spitteler: That might be confusing, since the changed page has a new UUID
[13:46] Jeremy Linden: Or for you web geeks... you're wearing clothing and attachments "by reference" rather than a separate instance for each outfit :-P
[13:46] Laurent Bechir: Jeremy : I know people who had this problem. But wasn't it solved ? I thought it was
[13:46] Laurent Bechir has pinged you.
[13:46] Kate Linden: So key things to remember
[13:47] Jeremy Linden: Laurent, I'm not 100% sure. I know some folks on the avatar team were working on it, but I haven't used 1.23 in a long time now!
[13:47] Kate Linden: If you are wearing an outfit with a linked item, dropping the item rather than detaching will break the link.
[13:47] Kate Linden: Take it back to inventory by detaching instead.
[13:47] Nathan Adored: I have never really understood why someone makes a garment nocopy anyway, unless they'd also made it trans....
[13:47] Laurent Bechir: "by references" means links to the original object ?
[13:48] Kate Linden: Here is the KB article: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Inventory_links
[13:48] Jeremy Linden: Yes. There is really only one object, but it can appear to be in many places. Anything that affects the object affects it in all your outfits.
[13:48] Kate Linden: I encourage you to read it and also share your knowledge about inventory links with other Residents who ask :)
[13:49] Arawn Spitteler: The old problem of, how do we look something up, if we don't know what it's called?
[13:50] Youri Ashton: think i rather use real copies, i dont buy only "copy/mod" items for no reason :p
[13:50] Jeremy Linden: That works too, Youri. It does increase the size of your inventory, though. The more stuff you have, the longer it takes to load :-)
[13:50] Laurent Bechir: usually the object is in the creator folder. So if he change the object, people who have bought will have it changed ?
[13:51] Kate Linden: You can tell if your item in inventory is a copy or a linked item. It will say (linked) in italics next to the item. You can also search for the original from your inventory or the gear menu on My Appearance
[13:51] Jeremy Linden: No, Laurent. Links must be created starting at an item you already own.
[13:52] Youri Ashton: jeremy, i really couldnt care less :p
[13:52] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:52] Youri Ashton: as you know, my avitars always get modded sooner or later, so i always have copies and modified items :)
[13:52] Jeremy Linden: So, if you have a favorite pair of shoes, you can use links to say: "Wear this pair of shoes with this outfit, even though there is only one copy and it is in a different folder."
[13:53] Laurent Bechir: ok. you were talking on the new 2.0 feature, my outfits
[13:53] Youri Ashton: i rather have it all in the same folder, that option "replace all" isnt that just for looks :p
[13:53] Jeremy Linden: Yes, My Outfits uses links.
[13:53] Kate Linden: I use replace all frequently.
[13:54] Kate Linden: I especially like having outfits ready to roll in My Appearance.
[13:54] Laurent Bechir: Youri : My outfits from 2.0 avoid this problem of having all in a single folder
[13:54] Jeremy Linden: +1 Kate
[13:54] Youri Ashton: not all outfits in the same folder, i meant per folder 1 outfit
[13:55] Jeremy Linden: I like having a few different looks, but I only have one messenger bag and one pair of shoes!
[13:55] Laurent Bechir: it's what I mean too :)
[13:55] Dawny Daviau: did i hear someone saying 'shoes'? :P
[13:55] Jeremy Linden: Maybe :-O
[13:56] Arawn Spitteler: /me tries to imagine Mrs. Marcos's Inventory
[13:56] Youri Ashton: down dawny, back in your seat :p
[13:56] Youri Ashton: was just a example :p
[13:56] Dawny Daviau: hehehehe
[13:56] Laurent Bechir: Youri : one outfit folder full of links to different clothes in different folders. easier and less copies
[13:57] Jeremy Linden: Yes, exactly :-)
[13:57] Youri Ashton: unless you like to modify things to your likings
[13:58] Youri Ashton: then you basically mod the orriginal, and not a save copy
[13:59] Laurent Bechir: Youri : in that way, yes
[13:59] Youri Ashton: i never use 100% orriginal outfits
[13:59] Kate Linden: It was great to see everyone this week. I've moved my own office hour to Tuesdays - info is in my profile. Hope to see you there. :) I need to scoot.
[13:59] Youri Ashton: i always mod things, so i can not use links
[13:59] Youri Ashton: thanks for this OH jeremy and kate!
[13:59] Youri Ashton has pinged you.
[13:59] Dawny Daviau: /me says Bye Bye !
[13:59] Dawny Daviau: Kate
[14:00] Kate Linden: *waves*
[14:00] Dawny Daviau: See you jeremy
[14:00] Dawny Daviau has pinged you.
[14:00] Jeremy Linden: Thanks for coming!
[14:00] Nathan Adored: what sort of things go on at Kate Linden's meetings?
[14:00] Dawny Daviau: hope i can get home
[14:00] Youri Ashton: bye bye all!
[14:00] Dawny Daviau: [POSTED 1:38 PM PDT] We are aware of some issues with teleporting between regions and are working on a solution. If a teleport fails, please try it again. Please check this blog for updates.
[14:00] Dawny Daviau: /me says Bye Bye !
[14:00] Dawny Daviau: all!
[14:00] Laurent Bechir: I also find outfits tab makes it easier to find my outfits. less clutter
[14:00] Zinger Zsun: i'd like to ask the same
[14:00] Vista Questi: katie things, obviously! lol

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