Mesh/Archive/2011-06-20

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Agenda

  1. It's been stated before that bone length recognition isn't likely to be in the initial main grid deploy. Why is this, when the lengths look right in the preview window? What has to be done in order for this to appear in-world? (Tiberious)
  2. Any news on CTS-590, adding the override to allow "partial" joint-arrays in collada files ? It seems that several exporters 'optimize`collada files by skipping/excluding joints that are not in use (e.g., in 3dsMax I create boots -> the exporter writes only a partial joint array, ignoring torso/arms/... -> as result these weighted meshed can't be uploaded, 'Upload'-button greys out.) (Marielle Caerndow)
  3. Update on prim cost. We now see streaming cost is prim cost. How will making the object scripted/physical affect the overall cost? Min stand alone prim cost? Any rough formulas would be helpful. (Gearsawe)
  4. ...and, Why is the edit floater final cost 2.5 (and str. cst. 1.5) for meshes with Show Render Info str. cst. < 1, and will it stay that way? [Drongle]
  5. Using a texture with any transparent area on it makes the whole object partially seethrough. Also, it won't react to changing shiny. Is this expected behavior? [Ashasekayi Ra]
  6. Can you please give us an update on recent progress? [Vivienne Daguerre]
  7. Is there anything in particular you need us to test or focus on? [Vivienne Daguerre]
  8. Any progress on the crash when trying to upload mesh in Linux (CTS-627)? Are there any flavors of Linux on which mesh uploads are known to work? [Warin Cascabel]
  9. Can mesh be temp-rez, and if so, how are they costed? [Drongle]
  10. does "working on it" mean, we have a chance to see this in release 1: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CTS-634 (mesh description file)
  11. do we have a documentation area in layman's terms yet? [Eleanora Newell]
  12. Has something changed with the avatar .xml file export recently? ive been trying to import an xml. of my avi into maya but can only use the default mesh obj and unlinked skeleton. From menu: develop > avatar > character tests > appearance to xml [Graf Maxwell]


Meeting Notes

Transcript for Monday June 20, 2011

[12:02] Dain Shan Linden invasion ^^
[12:03] Nyx Linden http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Content_Creation/Mesh_Import_User_Group
[12:04] Charlar Linden sorry, tech issue, brb
[12:04] Nyx Linden first topic: It's been stated before that bone length recognition isn't likely to be in the initial main grid deploy. Why is this, when the lengths look right in the preview window? What has to be done in order for this to appear in-world? (Tiberious)
[12:05] Prep Linden Yup, unfortunately bone rotations and scale won't be in for release 1. As for why it appears to work in the preview window for you, I can't say either way without
[12:05] Prep Linden The good news is that I still have the import bone scale/rotations on my radar for a post 1 release.
[12:06] Charlar Linden ok, next?
[12:06] Charlar Linden #2 Any news on CTS-590, adding the override to allow "partial" joint-arrays in collada files ? It seems that several exporters 'optimize`collada files by skipping/excluding joints that are not in use (e.g., in 3dsMax I create boots -> the exporter writes only a partial joint array, ignoring torso/arms/... -> as result these weighted meshed can't be uploaded, 'Upload'-button greys out.) (Marielle Caerndow)
[12:06] Prep Linden This "partial" flag may longer be needed (positive fallout from another fix :-) ) - so Marielle open up a jira and I'll take a look at it next sprint, or possibly sooner.
[12:07] Prep Linden Label the defect something like "Importing a .dae w/ partial joint arrays should work," and attach an asset or reference a jira that contains an asset for me to work with.
[12:08] Maxwell Graf hey dahlia.
[12:08] Dahlia Trimble hi :)
[12:08] Nyx Linden you guys are quiet today :)
[12:08] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) lol
[12:08] Charlar Linden the next two we'll talk about together:
[12:08] Charlar Linden #3 Update on prim cost. We now see streaming cost is prim cost. How will making the object scripted/physical affect the overall cost? Min stand alone prim cost? Any rough formulas would be helpful. (Gearsawe)
[12:08] Nyx Linden http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Mesh/Calculating-quot-Prim-Equivalency-quot/td-p/937343
[12:08] Drongle McMahon We are too shocked by the "server weight" calculation.
[12:09] Dain Shan Totally
[12:09] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) lol
[12:09] Nyx Linden conveniently I added some information to the forums today (see link above)
[12:09] arton Rotaru should we still go with streaming cost, or is the server updated now?
[12:09] Nyx Linden basically "prim equivalence" is the highest for download, server, and streaming costs. Whichever factor is highest for your linkset, that's what we charge
[12:09] Drongle McMahon But Nyx. That bears no relationship to server burden.
[12:10] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) It says the URL doesn't work.
[12:10] Nyx Linden which part of it? each measure correlates to some area that our systems get loaded
[12:10] Drongle McMahon It's the same panalty for 100 complex scripts as for one simple one.
[12:10] Nyx Linden yep, we're not measuring script time/memory usage with it
[12:10] Charlar Linden Can everyone other than Asha get to the forum link?
[12:11] Dain Shan I can
[12:11] Chodai Yoshikawa yes
[12:11] Aimee Arcana Yup.
[12:11] Maxwell Graf yus
[12:11] Nyx Linden its looking only at a very (very) rough measure of how often messages will get sent out to update clients
[12:11] Gaia Clary i can
[12:11] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) What the deuce
[12:11] Drongle McMahon ?Too rough.
[12:11] Nal (nalates.urriah) yes
[12:11] Ranya Palmer i just got there
[12:11] Nal (nalates.urriah) I made it to the page
[12:11] Charlar Linden asha, can you just try going to the forum - it'll be near the top
[12:11] Nyx Linden we reserve the right to improve our measures in the future :)
[12:11] Mikki Miles works for me
[12:11] Dain Shan Certainly it gives sometimes some weired end results
[12:12] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Sure, I can try
[12:12] Maxwell Graf < Plurked
[12:12] arton Rotaru changing prim counts after main grid release can be probleematic
[12:12] Vivienne Daguerre I really don't think that scripts should add to the prim cost. If you are wanting to put some control on script numbers and memory use, you should find another way to do that. Scripts should not affect prim equivalency.
[12:12] Vivienne Daguerre People will object to this.
[12:12] Chodai Yoshikawa Side note on that Nyx, Do the current numbers inthe EDIT panel represent cost now or is it still streamin cost display?
[12:13] arton Rotaru +1 chodai
[12:13] Nyx Linden scripted and physical objects send out more messages, so they cost more for Server cost. If your object has a higher streaming cost, it won't have an effect
[12:13] Nyx Linden the streaming cost displays should be reaching parity soonish
[12:13] Drongle McMahon I am adamantly opposed. It is not proportionate and you should be using script limnits anyway. Why penalise meshes discriminatey yet again?
[12:13] Ranya Palmer so whats the limit on a physical mesh cost?
[12:13] Vivienne Daguerre will the scripts affect objects made of sculpties and ordinary prims? Will this break existing content?
[12:14] Vivienne Daguerre Or increase the prim count?
[12:14] Gaia Clary can you explain how you will convince people to use mesh objects when you let them pay pay pay... and keep the costst for regular prims/sculpties down at the same time ?
[12:14] Nyx Linden please note the detailed documentation here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh/Costs_and_fees
[12:14] Drongle McMahon Vivienne. In some caes it can double prim coint.
[12:14] Maxwell Graf but its NEW!
[12:14] Nyx Linden I'm pretty clear in which cases the new calculations will be used in the forum post :)
[12:14] Maxwell Graf :D
[12:15] Rusalka Writer You're gonna need a lot more ponies.
[12:15] Nyx Linden more ponies are always needed :)
[12:15] Rusalka Writer One for everyone on SL now.
[12:15] Chodai Yoshikawa Nyx::: Does that mean the EDIT window is the one to look at now over the streaming stats?
[12:16] Drongle McMahon But not a scripted mesh pony....you can't afford it.
[12:16] Rusalka Writer I don't have enough land for an SL pony.
[12:16] Nyx Linden Chodai we should be getting the cost in edit tools to agree with the viewer tools soon
[12:16] Gaia Clary i just think about the difference... i understand what you describe in your forum post.... but wouldnt this lead people to try even harder to get away with sculpties instead of moving to mesh ?
[12:16] Dain Shan You realise that, with this, you put Meshes into a niche?
[12:17] Rusalka Writer A pricey niche.
[12:17] Nyx Linden we're working to set the cost of mesh to be a resonable limit based on where the content is loading our systems (and your systems)
[12:17] Maxwell Graf I am currently a sculpty whore. I would like also to be a mesh whore. Why u no make less cost! D:
[12:17] Drongle McMahon Already in a niche. It just got narrower.
[12:17] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) /me chuckles at Max
[12:17] Rusalka Writer Think I'll be focusing on avatars...
[12:17] TheBlack Box maybe it is not such a bad idea to have mesh in a niche while there is still a lot of dev going on ... i recommend patience
[12:17] Gaia Clary but io do not understand how you can say that....
[12:18] Gaia Clary making mesh more expensive and less resource intensive...
[12:18] Vivienne Daguerre would you prefer me to be a mesh whore or a sculptie whore? I can see that I am going to be using sculpties as much as I can the way things are going, over mesh.
[12:18] Gaia Clary that does not get into my head.
[12:18] Drongle McMahon I made a sculpty building component that was 20 x as may triangles as the mesh equivalent but half the prim cost.
[12:18] Dain Shan Agree with Clary here
[12:18] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Not sure what patience has to do with that issue.
[12:18] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) I use whatever is best suited for the task at hand
[12:19] TheBlack Box Ashasekayi: patience because it will be easier to lower prim-costs for mesh when they are technically more mature ...
[12:20] Drongle McMahon Who, TheBlack?
[12:20] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) There is no guarentee the numbers will be changed after it goes live.
[12:20] Nyx Linden in the interest of keeping things moving along, can we move this conversation to the forum thread for everyone to participate?
[12:20] Dahlia Trimble lower? lol
[12:20] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) I worry that if people can upload really really high res meshes what it will do whenthey wear them all on the avatar in crowded situations. So I am cautiously optimistic
[12:20] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) I haven't seen a Linden state that will even occur.
[12:20] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) if it is too cheap it is sure that will happen
[12:20] Drongle McMahon Who will make the first meshbot?
[12:21] Charlar Linden OK, moving to the next item...
[12:21] Dain Shan Hypatia .. they already can do that. You can make attachments that are Super heavy .. with no downside.
[12:21] Charlar Linden Using a texture with any transparent area on it makes the whole object partially seethrough. Also, it won't react to changing shiny. Is this expected behavior? [Ashasekayi Ra]
[12:21] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) The numbers penalize non-attached mesh more anyway.
[12:21] davep (runitai.linden) Yes, using a transparent texture will make the entire face transparent unless it's an alpha mask (pixels are all transparent or all opaque) and "automatic alpha masks" is enabled.
[12:22] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Hmm... ok. And, this will not change correct?
[12:22] Ranya Palmer is automatic alpha mask a viewer feature?
[12:22] arton Rotaru add more materials Asha
[12:22] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) yes Ranya
[12:23] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Yea, I guess I'll have to do that.
[12:23] Drongle McMahon It needs to be a face feature.
[12:23] davep (runitai.linden) Asha: yes, it's under develop->rendering
[12:24] davep (runitai.linden) it does need to be a face feature, probably will be in "the future"
[12:24] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Alrighty thanks
[12:24] Charlar Linden ok, next item:
[12:24] Charlar Linden Can you please give us an update on recent progress? [Vivienne Daguerre]
[12:24] Nyx Linden been working on making sure the framework for prim equivalency is working. Next up is tweaking the algorithms to make sure they fit our budgets
[12:24] Dahlia Trimble speaking of alpha masking... are all the shaders in the mesh viewer finalized and considered ready for release?
[12:24] davep (runitai.linden) Streaming cost got tuned a bit and tested -- there are still some cases where items can go over budget, but for those most part the costs seem to be trending the right way. The sim should agree with the viewer on the next sim deploy.
[12:26] davep (runitai.linden) Dahlia: yes
[12:26] Tapple Gao hi elanora. can you hear?
[12:26] Dahlia Trimble ty
[12:26] arton Rotaru what about a physics cost shown in the uploader?
[12:26] davep (runitai.linden) (although a huge osx bug just got found and fixed this morning
[12:27] Rusalka Writer Thank you.
[12:27] Nyx Linden we're working on a new layout for build tools to show you physics cost better, we're investigating what to show in the uploader.
[12:27] Chodai Yoshikawa /me ears prick up on the OSX bug being found and wonders what it was
[12:27] arton Rotaru kmthx
[12:27] Tapple Gao osx bug? elenora was unable to login on mac
[12:27] Rusalka Writer I've been crashing as much as I can.
[12:28] Ranya Palmer has the nvidia bug been fixed yet?
[12:28] arton Rotaru crash bug in latest windows build too
[12:28] davep (runitai.linden) keep crashing!
[12:28] davep (runitai.linden) turn on debug gl to crash more!
[12:28] Rusalka Writer Tally ho!
[12:28] davep (runitai.linden) develop->rendering->debug gl
[12:28] Rusalka Writer Writing it down...
[12:28] arton Rotaru all meshes needs UVs now
[12:28] Nyx Linden oh also working on the linux crash, but that's its own topic :)
[12:28] arton Rotaru or viewer crashes
[12:28] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell) when I check shadow, I can't see upload dialog.
[12:28] davep (runitai.linden) arton: e-mail me a .dae that has no UVs and I'll make it work
[12:28] Rusalka Writer As soon as I get out of this conference, I'll get back to crashing.
[12:28] arton Rotaru I jira it already
[12:29] davep (runitai.linden) link?
[12:29] arton Rotaru second
[12:29] Gaia Clary donotrelease : i have sent a jira for this...
[12:29] davep (runitai.linden) DoNot Release: that bug is assigned to me, should get to it this week
[12:29] Ranya Palmer i saw that earlier then i crashed
[12:29] Vivienne Daguerre as have I
[12:29] arton Rotaru https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CTS-648
[12:29] Gaia Clary https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CTS-636
[12:29] Drongle McMahon Davep, can I email you one with no UV or normals? It used to upload OK.
[12:29] Nyx Linden we <3 example assets that are causing problems :)
[12:30] Rusalka Writer I crash on texture upload sometimes. I'll sort that out.
[12:30] Maxwell Graf Ill send you a .rar. of them, then. lol
[12:30] Chodai Yoshikawa when I check shadows the Mac crashes :(((((
[12:30] arton Rotaru I attached example dae's
[12:30] Drongle McMahon Looked funny though.
[12:30] Angel (angel.alphaville) I also uploaded files with 8 materials exported from Maya
[12:30] Rusalka Writer I have shadows on the main grid on the new Search viewer now. That's a pleasant surprise on a Mac.
[12:31] Charlar Linden continuing on...
[12:31] Charlar Linden Is there anything in particular you need us to test or focus on? [Vivienne Daguerre]
[12:31] davep (runitai.linden) upload upload upload
[12:31] davep (runitai.linden) also, please build at or near ground level
[12:31] davep (runitai.linden) and leave your stuff rezzed
[12:31] davep (runitai.linden) so we can find it
[12:31] Python Morales davep, to test physics with terrain?
[12:31] Nyx Linden populate a bunch of content on the regions, the more the better
[12:31] Python Morales ah ust to find
[12:31] Gaia Clary please fix the physics display ;_)
[12:31] davep (runitai.linden) should be fixed :-(
[12:31] Chodai Yoshikawa +1 Gaia
[12:32] arton Rotaru fix the physics engine aswell
[12:32] Drongle McMahon I'm going to fill a region with sculpty pipes.
[12:32] Chodai Yoshikawa but you need shadows to use it...broken on macs in mesh builds
[12:32] arton Rotaru can't drive on mesh/prim roads
[12:32] Nyx Linden Gaia - probably later this week
[12:32] davep (runitai.linden) shouldn't need shadows any more
[12:32] Chodai Yoshikawa ahhh good :)
[12:32] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) shadows are broken for me too
[12:32] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) and I'm not on mac
[12:32] davep (runitai.linden) but could be busted with other mac shader issues
[12:32] Angel (angel.alphaville) please also give them meshes with jumbled materials, I posted a link to one at CTS-603
[12:32] Ranya Palmer shadows made me crash :(
[12:33] Dain Shan Allright
[12:33] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) just ATI, win 7 here
[12:33] Rusalka Writer Shadows sure are purty on main grid.
[12:33] Dain Shan My old 9800GT seems to like the shadows ... So far no crash
[12:33] davep (runitai.linden) yup, working on jumbled materials this week
[12:33] Ranya Palmer Win 7 Nvidia GTX here
[12:34] Charlar Linden next item...
[12:34] Charlar Linden #8 Any progress on the crash when trying to upload mesh in Linux (CTS-627)? Are there any flavors of Linux on which mesh uploads are known to work? [Warin Cascabel]
[12:34] davep (runitai.linden) if you get black screen or crash, try disabling anti-aliasing
[12:34] Nyx Linden just posted an update on the linux crasher recently. Its a versioning issue on libxml2
[12:34] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) okay
[12:34] Nyx Linden if you update libxml2 on your machine to 2.7.2 its reported to be fixed
[12:34] Nyx Linden if we can confirm this, we'll try to bundle a staticly linked version so you don't have to change your system config
[12:35] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) oh now it works
[12:35] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) goes to remove my question then
[12:35] Tapple Gao upload works for me on ubuntu. I can post my config to the jira
[12:35] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) hrm, no
[12:35] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) still no shadows
[12:36] Charlar Linden next item...
[12:36] Nyx Linden Tapple - could you post that it works for you and what version of libxml2 you have on your system please
[12:36] TheBlack Box on ubuntu libxml2 version currently shows up at 2.7.6
[12:36] Tapple Gao how do I test the version of libxml2? the version apt lists?
[12:36] Nyx Linden TheBlackBox - can you upload without crashing?
[12:36] TheBlack Box havent tsted in a while ...
[12:36] Charlar Linden #9 Can mesh be temp-rez, and if so, how are they costed? [Drongle]
[12:37] arton Rotaru good question
[12:37] arton Rotaru temp rezzers will be hip when mesh is live
[12:37] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) okay fixed :)
[12:37] davep (runitai.linden) yes, and they're costed the same as regular mesh
[12:37] davep (runitai.linden) specifically to protect against auto-rezzers
[12:38] arton Rotaru :p
[12:38] Drongle McMahon Against the parcel count, or like other temp-rez prims?
[12:38] davep (runitai.linden) I believe it's against the parcel count
[12:38] arton Rotaru hmhmhmhm
[12:38] Drongle McMahon ha. More anti-mesh discrimination :-(
[12:38] arton Rotaru one more negative for mesh
[12:38] arton Rotaru yeah
[12:39] arton Rotaru to much
[12:39] TheBlack Box just crashed when "Cancel" on mesh-upload .... dont have mesh-assetts to test on the machine atm
[12:39] Dain Shan Thats .... discouraging somehow
[12:39] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Good grief
[12:39] arton Rotaru it#s way to complicated for an user created world
[12:39] Liisa Runo we often set vehicles temp after sitting, so we can travel trough full parcels. This will be a problem with mesh vehicles
[12:40] Drongle McMahon hey, why not cost mesh attachments against parcel count.? That will kill it off completely.
[12:40] Rusalka Writer Lol.
[12:40] arton Rotaru heh
[12:40] Lazy (lazy.spectre) everything except wearing a mesh seems to be a problem:(
[12:40] Maxwell Graf lolz
[12:40] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) /me snirts
[12:40] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) *snorts too
[12:40] Techwolf Lupindo I can see marketplace ads now, "All prims, no mesh!!"
[12:40] Charlar Linden i like snirt
[12:40] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) the wearing a mesh is what concerns me the most, too lol
[12:40] arton Rotaru lol
[12:40] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) lol
[12:40] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) the primcount on a parcel controls land use pretty well
[12:40] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) but nothing liket hat exists for avatars
[12:41] Rusalka Writer Is this where I ask about ARC?
[12:41] Chodai Yoshikawa hmm yes what is the ARC cost for mesh goping to be?
[12:41] Chodai Yoshikawa snap :)
[12:41] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) grin
[12:41] Nyx Linden Going to be updating the ARC algorithm after the first release :)
[12:41] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) but arc is just a number people ignore :P
[12:41] Rusalka Writer The ARC is a number nobody knows exists.
[12:41] arton Rotaru true
[12:42] Dahlia Trimble ARC is a number people use to harass others
[12:42] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) sometimes, yeah... but mostly its just ignored
[12:42] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) A number that many people don't know how to read properly.
[12:42] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) and arc isnt everything, scripts are just as much an issue
[12:42] arton Rotaru can we have ARC for static mesh instead of prim count :p
[12:42] Tapple Gao will avatars be able to use as much mesh as possible?
[12:42] Rusalka Writer Most don't even have its menu displayed.
[12:43] Rusalka Writer Meshzilla!
[12:43] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) most people dont know, dont care about arc
[12:43] Maxwell Graf im cruuushing yor sim! *pinches fingers together*
[12:43] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) :D
[12:43] Charlar Linden Ok, next...
[12:43] Charlar Linden #10 Deferred rendering: not working on ATI in latest builds. Any ETA on a fix? Is there a Jira page for it, I cannot find it. [Hypatia Callisto]
[12:44] davep (runitai.linden) what operating system?
[12:44] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) I removed it
[12:44] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) I realised the problem now
[12:44] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) its win7
[12:44] davep (runitai.linden) ok, nm
[12:44] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) it was the antialiasing being on by default
[12:44] davep (runitai.linden) yeah, I should have it behaving better sometime soon
[12:45] Charlar Linden ok then
[12:45] Charlar Linden Next:
[12:45] davep (runitai.linden) handling GL_OUT_OF_MEMORY is.... tricky
[12:45] Charlar Linden #11 does "working on it" mean, we have a chance to see this in release 1: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CTS-634 (mesh description file)
[12:45] Nyx Linden we save out the upload parameters to a "slm" file which should be 90% of what you're asking for :)
[12:45] davep (runitai.linden) in general, yes
[12:45] Gaia Clary no
[12:45] Gaia Clary lol
[12:45] Nyx Linden yes we know its not human-readable :P
[12:45] Gaia Clary nyx, i am asking for a third party integration ....
[12:45] arton Rotaru decomposed physics meshes won't load by .slm
[12:46] Angel (angel.alphaville) by the way, how can we use these parameters to upload another mesh ?
[12:46] davep (runitai.linden) arton: that's a bug, slm should be working adequately by first release
[12:46] Gaia Clary the and slm reacts quite interesting when some of the input files change...
[12:46] davep (runitai.linden) we really need to document the .slm format
[12:46] arton Rotaru ok cool
[12:46] Nyx Linden the slm should load the input parameters by default on loading the same dae file. We're still working on testing it
[12:46] Angel (angel.alphaville) ok we'll wait :B
[12:47] arton Rotaru it must be enabbled in Debug settings, to use slm
[12:47] Nyx Linden as far as documenting the format and allowing third party tools to generate it, that won't be for release 1.
[12:47] arton Rotaru it's set to False by defaukt
[12:47] arton Rotaru -k, +l
[12:47] Gaia Clary it would realy help to get an XML format for integration purpoases...
[12:47] Gaia Clary well...
[12:48] Nyx Linden noted, but not a priority. we won't block the release to change the slm format to xml :/
[12:48] Gaia Clary sure
[12:48] Gaia Clary no complains if it will come one day ;-) this year
[12:48] Charlar Linden super - ready to move on?
[12:48] Charlar Linden #11 do we have a documentation area in layman's terms yet? [Eleanora Newell]
[12:50] Nyx Linden Jeremy is working on documentation - we have a forum thread for documentation requests :)
[12:51] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell) Please give us the url about it.
[12:51] Nyx Linden searching....just a sec
[12:51] Falcon Linden I was thinking about writing a description of the physics mesh cost algorithm using LaTeX to make the hypercomplex logarithms and exponents look prettier. Does that count? :P
[12:51] Tapple Gao I have documentation for rigging in blender I intend to put on the wiki. maybe will sooner rather than later
[12:52] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) No Falcon :p
[12:52] Falcon Linden oh.
[12:52] Falcon Linden :P
[12:52] Ranya Palmer hehehe
[12:52] Charlar Linden next (and final) item:
[12:52] Nyx Linden http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Mesh/Mesh-Documentation-Requests/
[12:52] Drongle McMahon Falcon, you shouldn'u use 2 differen "H" so it's easier to write/read,
[12:52] Charlar Linden #12 Has something changed with the avatar .xml file export recently? ive been trying to import an xml. of my avi into maya but can only use the default mesh obj and unlinked skeleton. From menu: develop > avatar > character tests > appearance to xml [Graf Maxwell]
[12:52] Nyx Linden not that I'm aware of....
[12:52] Nyx Linden probably nothing recent
[12:53] Maxwell Graf the wiz daxter plugin will no longer function, for me and several others ive spoken to.
[12:53] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Are you using Daxter's tool Max?
[12:53] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) nvm :D
[12:53] Chodai Yoshikawa Nyx :: Page not found on that link
[12:53] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell) Thank you Nyx. But it shows "Page Not Found."
[12:53] Dain Shan +1 on that
[12:53] Drongle McMahon No....sorry, that's two differen "V"s.
[12:53] Maxwell Graf he even worked with me to get it working, and it wouldnt.
[12:54] Nyx Linden sec
[12:54] Nyx Linden http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Mesh/Mesh-Documentation-Requests/m-p/914193/highlight/true#M1403
[12:54] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Are you exporting the XML from the official V2 viewer?
[12:54] Maxwell Graf on that note, if anyone here could help me with SL avi/maya rigging, I would pay well. Xeniversity is full up till about next year. lol
[12:55] Maxwell Graf yes, from v2.
[12:55] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) I haven't had an issue with the ones exported from Phoenix.
[12:55] Maxwell Graf the files from: develop > avatar > character tests > appearance to xml no longer seem to work.
[12:56] Nyx Linden could you get us two versions of the same avatar, one which "works" and one that "doesn't" ?
[12:56] Gaia Clary Maxwell, as Ashe says... phoenix allows to download the avatar as.obj ...
[12:56] Dain Shan Agree i tried that export too and it definately dosent work
[12:56] Maxwell Graf yes, but the obj is not rigged.
[12:56] Maxwell Graf thats my issue.
[12:56] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) No Gaia.. I mean the actual xml file.
[12:56] Gaia Clary oh... ok
[12:57] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) I did it last week without issue. I'll have to do it again later to see if something changed.
[12:57] Nyx Linden could you guys get me some more detail on how its broken?
[12:57] Maxwell Graf using the xml will allow for exporting multiple shapes and gender, not just default female.
[12:57] Nyx Linden (create a jira or forum thread please)
[12:57] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) I can send you a working one Nyx if you like.
[12:57] Dain Shan Well it used to be that way
[12:58] Maxwell Graf thank you asha
[12:58] Nyx Linden Asha - if you could send me two - one working one non, of the same avatar that would be helpful
[12:58] arton Rotaru quick question
[12:58] arton Rotaru Falcon: What's wrong with the physics engine. Prim mesh/prim roads are very bumpy on the latest servers
[12:58] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Hmm... I don't have a non-workng one though. Perhaps, Max could send that?
[12:59] Chodai Yoshikawa surely your Landy can cope with a few bumps Arton? :P
[12:59] Nyx Linden the latest mesh client creates a working xml file for you Asha?
[12:59] arton Rotaru yeah, lol
[12:59] Gaia Clary i wonder... is there a way to import that xml file to blender ?
[12:59] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) I haven't tried that viewer. I'll give it a go later then make a thread with the results
[12:59] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Yes Gaia.
[12:59] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) That how I make my clothes.
[12:59] Chodai Yoshikawa yes Gaia...write some Pyhton :)
[13:00] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) *That's
[13:00] Gaia Clary Asha, what tool do you use ?
[13:00] Maxwell Graf should work the same, though ive had some others tell me they had the same problem this week with the xml to blender.
[13:00] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Wiz Daxter's addon Gaia
[13:00] Gaia Clary ah, ok.
[13:00] Eleanora Newell for those of us who can't script, is there anything already available for what gaia asks?
[13:00] Charlar Linden ok, I think we're wrapped for the week.
[13:01] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Yep... it is on the marketplace
[13:01] Eleanora Newell thanks, ash
[13:01] Maxwell Graf jass 2.7 ships with a file called avatar.blend thats rigged, also.
[13:01] Python Morales maxwell, so which xml is this actually?
[13:01] Falcon Linden Ciao, folks
[13:01] davep (runitai.linden) thanks guys, keep building cool shit
[13:01] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) Adios Lindens
[13:01] Vir Linden bye all
[13:01] Nyx Linden gotta run, thanks for coming everyone :)
[13:01] Charlar Linden thanks everyoone, please visit and comment on the forums on these topics.
[13:01] Nyx Linden upload moar meshes!
[13:01] Charlar Linden Cheers
[13:01] Eleanora Newell thanks, everyone
[13:01] arton Rotaru bye
[13:01] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell) see you next week!
[13:01] Dain Shan Byeee
[13:01] Ranya Palmer bye guys
[13:01] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) The plus is that you don't have to download the obj files one by one.
[13:01] TheBlack Box tc all .. thanks for the OH
[13:02] Maxwell Graf if you enable develop menu, its develop > avatar > character tests > appearance to xml.
[13:02] Maxwell Graf its saves a file to your SL viewer > character folder
[13:02] Maxwell Graf the name of the file will be " avatar_name.xml
[13:02] Asha (ashasekayi.ra) So, it brings in your custom shape along with the skeleton in one shot.
[13:02] Maxwell Graf myes
[13:02] Maxwell Graf or should.
[13:02] Yuzuru (yuzuru.jewell) What is the copyright of except default avatar?
[13:03] Maxwell Graf i imagine you have to have a shape you have made, or one with full perms.
[13:03] Maxwell Graf using the xml is the tricky part, and where im having issues.
[13:03] Υπατία Καλλιστώ (hypatia.callisto) so it works with the old viewer right, learn something new
[13:03] Maxwell Graf you have to have a plugin or script which lets you import the xml.