User:Lotte Linden/Sprechstunde 08.01.2008 Teil 2

[10:40] Jean Linden: how has VAT effected everyone?

[10:40] Robby Pomeray: sure

[10:40] Monalisa Robbiani: does it effect only germany?

[10:40] Lexus Ling: on me, no, i havend land only shops ;)

[10:40] Jean Linden: it's hard to get a sense of it from here

[10:40] Robby Pomeray: i wasn't effected at all, Jean

[10:40] Eski Howlett: vat?

[10:40] Monalisa Robbiani: affect even

[10:41] Miefmupfel Willis: I was not effected. the owner of the sim I "live" pays the vat

[10:41] Prospero Linden is Online

[10:41] You: mona, VAT applies to all europeans

[10:41] Monalisa Robbiani: ok

[10:41] Jean Linden: I always mix up effect and affect :P

[10:41] Monalisa Robbiani: didt know that

[10:41] Monalisa Robbiani grins

[10:41] Sunnivah Jiutai: not all, i'm swiss and i'm not affected

[10:41] Swapps Swenson: If we start with the monthly Question-List , we will have a very good start for a communication between LL and the german Community. Please remember: This will be a very important part for communication and respecting the Community

[10:41] You: that have to pay VAT in their home countries ;)

[10:42] January Lightfoot: VAT is actaully bad,,,

[10:42] Melina Mendes: VAT is a big disadvantage for us europeans

[10:42] Sunnivah Jiutai: it's only for countries that r in the european union

[10:42] Monalisa Robbiani: move:)

[10:42] Stari Novi: very bad

[10:42] Jahna Bing: yes lots of frinds leave sl , they cant hold that high prices

[10:42] January Lightfoot: we lose a lot of money and it´s a nightmare to do the tax thing for us

[10:42] You: ty for the clarification, sunni :)

[10:42] Tonia Brockholst: i pay VAT on my premium account .. so it did affect me as well ...

[10:43] Jean Linden: I got to tell the head of unit for VAT that it hurts innovation and thereby hurts GDP

[10:43] Monalisa Robbiani: how much is it?

[10:43] Robby Pomeray: i do know some ppl though, that have sold their sims, cause of the VAT

[10:43] January Lightfoot: but maybe it´s the only way to go

[10:43] Jean Linden: he gave me that one :)

[10:43] Lexus Ling: the VAT is the biges Crap that LL resolve, a european player have a market place backside from the VAT paying

[10:43] January Lightfoot: sooner or later this thing must be directly connected with real economy

[10:43] Swapps Swenson: What means GDP ?

[10:43] January Lightfoot: so we need VAT

[10:43] Monalisa Robbiani: BIP

[10:43] Monalisa Robbiani: BSP oder so

[10:43] Robby Pomeray: BSP

[10:43] Monalisa Robbiani: brutooinslandsprodkut

[10:44] Jean Linden: gross domestic product - ach so

[10:44] Jean Linden: brutoooinslandsprodkut

[10:44] Melina Mendes: Jean, i am wondering, why you did not increase the price for land and prem account for all by ... let me say 10 percent ... and vat would be included for all... it would have been more fair

[10:44] Monalisa Robbiani: did you know that SL has a GDP like bangladesh:P

[10:44] torchia Auer: warum gibt e skeine rechnugn für die moantliche tiers

[10:44] Nicole Linden is Online

[10:44] Melina Mendes: torchia, es gibt eine

[10:45] torchia Auer: echt

[10:45] torchia Auer: ich bekomme keine

[10:45] Melina Mendes: du kannst sie auf der websiete unter accoun t statement laden

[10:45] Lexus Ling: Torchia, auf der SL HP in deinem Account Provil ganz unten rechts

[10:45] Jean Linden: melina - interesting question - because those that did not have to pay VAT, I would think would argue that they were being unfairly taxed

[10:46] Head Replacement: I kept asking Glenn about invoices but somehow it seems to be hard to write them

[10:46] Melina Mendes: jean, that is right, but now the resident are divided into two types ... vat and non-vat

[10:47] JaneD DeCuir: i would said its the best offort if lindens takes the ip of any resident to find their country to scale the vat

[10:47] Jean Linden: head - I've heard that that is key in all this, that businesses need invoices

[10:47] JaneD DeCuir: ripe dot net is helpful for that

[10:47] Head Replacement: Glenn heard so, too from many sides ;-)

[10:47] Jean Linden: yeah, we're trying :)

[10:47] Head Replacement: but it seems to be some software/process issue

[10:47] JaneD DeCuir: ripe ncc

[10:47] Jean Linden: exactly actually

[10:48] Head Replacement: for quite some time now though ;-)

[10:48] JaneD DeCuir: you can find the provider there..

[10:48] Jean Linden: I know :( it's never ceases to amaze me how much longer things take than you ever expect

[10:49] Jean Linden: But I will call for it again as well

[10:50] torchia Auer: j have a ask in the linden blog is sayd to the first quartal of the year eventualy the sim price tiers go mucher then now?

[10:50] JaneD DeCuir: why they dont reduce them?

[10:50] Jean Linden: so I haven't been able to see - but what did you guys think of the WDR spot?

[10:50] Lastchancer Nomura is Online

[10:50] Monalisa Robbiani: i oculdnt see it_:(

[10:50] Head Replacement: I wonder if VAT is really that unfair given the price of dollar vs. EUR btw ;-)

[10:50] Monalisa Robbiani: is it online somewhere?

[10:50] Swapps Swenson: *g* good that you asking about that

[10:50] Prospero Linden is Online

[10:50] Robby Pomeray: didn't watch it

[10:50] Head Replacement: I saw it this morning

[10:51] JaneD DeCuir: it is unfair..

[10:51] Djorg Sands: did someone see the spot?

[10:51] JaneD DeCuir: no

[10:51] Lisa82 Amat: nö

[10:51] Jahna Bing: no

[10:51] Monalisa Robbiani: in some countries ISP are more expensive

[10:51] Melina Mendes: lol HEAD, exchange rate EUR/USD is good .... NOW ;)

[10:51] Lisa82 Amat: Vielleicht eine kurze erklärung?

[10:51] Tonia Brockholst: just heard the radio-spot for the docu

[10:51] Head Replacement: Meline: of course only NOW :)

[10:51] Jean Linden: swapps, you have a discussion going online yes?

[10:52] Swapps Swenson: its the same thing as the internet started in the past. Normal. I am not wondering about that

[10:52] Head Replacement: I think the majority in this discussion said that parents need to care more about their children

[10:52] Swapps Swenson: Sure , we have an thread about that

[10:52] Tonia Brockholst: but .. tao .. that also a lot more had to be done with AV

[10:53] Tonia Brockholst: from LL

[10:53] Head Replacement: of course this might also help if it works.. (although some press will always find some teen which has been in there and experiencing bad things)

[10:54] Sunnivah Jiutai: so sry but i have to go. thx to Lotte and Jean and to all the rest ofcourse :)

[10:54] Miefmupfel Willis: bye sunni :))

[10:54] Head Replacement: but of course it will hopefully block the majority

[10:54] Jean Linden: can someone send me the link - I haven't been able to actually read it yet

[10:54] Jean Linden: I just heard about it [10:54] January Lightfoot: me to ;)

[10:54] Silvio Interflug: the wdr spot was a fake! a 13 years old girl makes professional xxx-biz in sl .... *GIGGLES* :)

[10:54] Swapps Swenson: http://www.slinfo.de/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=138754#138754

[10:54] Head Replacement: there are 2 threads right now on slinfo, one on slinside I think

[10:55] Swapps Swenson: ist the discussion-Thread

[10:55] Silvio Interflug: http://slinside.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=300&func=view&id=89853&catid=1

[10:55] Miefmupfel Willis: it was no fake. believe me.

[10:55] Jean Linden: any overarching sentiments I would know about?

[10:55] Swapps Swenson: There is no Media-Link to a stream at this time

[10:55] Eski Howlett: an ugly guy thinking i was a teen tried to blackmail me

[10:56] Miefmupfel Willis: swapps, I try to get a tape....

[10:56] JaneD DeCuir: how did linden to resolve the vat issue?

[10:56] Swapps Swenson: @ Jean, nothing you hab thinking about too much :)

[10:56] Silvio Interflug: und selbst wenn real, ist die erziehungsberechtigte schuld. wie kommt denn das fräulein tochter an nen paypal account?

[10:56] Swapps Swenson: -hab +have

[10:56] Miefmupfel Willis: right, silvio

[10:57] JaneD DeCuir: ne sauerei das ist, silvio

[10:57] Swapps Swenson: its only take affect about the VAT-Discussion

[10:57] January Lightfoot: right

[10:57] Silvio Interflug: ich glaub das schadet sl auch nicht

[10:57] Melina Mendes: if parents dont know, what their children are doing in the internet, they have a real problem ...

[10:57] Silvio Interflug: ebay ist ja auch nicht weg vom fenster wegen betrügern ;)

[10:57] Tonia Brockholst: naja ... aber ein bisschen schwerer könnte es seitens linden lab duchaus gemacht werden, einen acc zu erstellen ....

[10:57] JaneD DeCuir: lol

[10:57] Tonia Brockholst: zumindestens auch auf dem open grid ...

[10:57] Djorg Sands: i think mny parents have this real problem

[10:57] Swapps Swenson: ....as i said ... the same internet-Using-Discussion. Nothing special

[10:57] Head Replacement: Würde das nicht auch viele andere von SL abhalten?

[10:57] Silvio Interflug: sure @ swapps

[10:57] Tonia Brockholst: wenn man schon diese ganze prozedur beim teengrid durchgehen muss ...

[10:58] Head Replacement: Denn ich erinner mich noch was für ein Problem es damals war, als man noch eine Kreidtkarte brauchte

[10:58] January Lightfoot: this bad media will probaly stay as it is, our job needs to be to put up good news the media can tell about

[10:58] Jean Linden: Sendungen vergissen immer die Eltern

[10:58] Monalisa Robbiani: logins have to be open, if any sort of a 3d web is being intended

[10:58] JaneD DeCuir: mostly jean

[10:58] Jean Linden: january's right

[10:58] Monalisa Robbiani: i dont want SL to become a restricted, adult only, XXX adult check thing

[10:58] Head Replacement: I wonder if the age verification as planned is not enough if flagging a parcel is mandatory

[10:59] Monalisa Robbiani: are there any plans to merge the teen grid with the main grid?

[10:59] Jean Linden: and please let our pr agency know about events and such

[10:59] Head Replacement: and I agree we also need more good news in the media

[10:59] Head Replacement: how do you reach that PR agency?

[10:59] JaneD DeCuir: if the age verification would fundtion properly monalisa

[10:59] Head Replacement: do they do office hours? :)

[10:59] Swapps Swenson: *chatlog saved*

[10:59] January Lightfoot: and it just poves it works out, the internet had the same problems, and some ppl will actually log into sl just to check out what t

[10:59] Silvio Interflug: tv to be afraid of sl ;)

[10:59] Monalisa Robbiani: it does work:)

[10:59] Jean Linden: send it to secondlifedeutschland@lewispr.com

[10:59] JaneD DeCuir: no

[11:00] January Lightfoot: to get an own opinion...

[11:01] Jean Linden: lotte - I didn't mean to take over yoru office hours :(

[11:01] January Lightfoot: In the moment the public topics like soccer (we just got a field;.)

[11:01] January Lightfoot: or sprot or information of all kinds is set right

[11:01] Head Replacement: afaik the german blogger scene did not actually take over that WDR story

[11:01] January Lightfoot: the media can report

[11:02] You: Jean, that's fine :) I'm sure everyone, including me, appreciated the opportunity tosee you here

[11:02] JaneD DeCuir: propably wdr made it for odds

[11:03] January Lightfoot: actual i see more problem in that some huge companies leave, this is hurting the PR synergies more

[11:04] January Lightfoot: stupid to say, but even bad news are news, and the most imnportant is to bring SL into the public conciousnes

[11:04] January Lightfoot: MOST JUST DON`T KNOW

[11:04] Tonia Brockholst: i don´t think these companies leave because of some bad media ...

[11:04] JaneD DeCuir: thats what they want

[11:04] January Lightfoot: about beeing virtual

[11:04] Lexus Ling: i thing, some SL reports in the new can be faked making for negativ press over SL from other VR Worlds

[11:04] Monalisa Robbiani: its a law of history.. what gets the most resistance will turn out a big invention everyone will use

[11:04] January Lightfoot: right toni, sry i said it wrong

[11:05] January Lightfoot: they just jumped into the train.

[11:05] Mandy81 Auer: GUTEN ABEND ZUSAMMEN

[11:05] Monalisa Robbiani: also the web had bad news, or TV. so it really looks good for SL

[11:05] Tonia Brockholst: did you ever visit the plus-island ... eine ausgeburt an unkreativität .. und TOT

[11:05] You: hey mandy :)

[11:06] January Lightfoot: what would help, if LL would spend some money in advertising/PR in new media and rl

[11:06] Mandy81 Auer: HI LOTTE PROSIT NEUJAHR SCHÖNES NEUES

[11:06] Tonia Brockholst: sorry .. dunno the english words to that ..

[11:06] You: gleichfalls, Mandy :D

[11:06] JaneD DeCuir: sl is sl, whatever it needs is to resolve problems which affect sl

[11:06] Jean Linden: january - we have been, but maybe we need more interesting ways...

[11:06] Mandy81 Auer: heut englisch spezial ?

[11:06] Jean Linden: I think we've been doing it very traditionally

[11:07] JaneD DeCuir: that means?

[11:07] You: ja, wir haben heute Jean linden zu gast :)

[11:07] January Lightfoot: f.ex. the rl office we ran in the rl berlin shopping mall, we had TONS of ppl, askingWHAT IS THIS?

[11:07] Mandy81 Auer: Lotte welches thema habt ihr heute besprochen

[11:07] Jahna Bing: what you thing about a spot on tv by ll in europ

[11:07] January Lightfoot: and i had not a single one i spoke to

[11:07] You: es wird aber spater eine eine übersetzung in den deutschen foren geben

[11:08] January Lightfoot: who said at the end something negative

[11:08] You: pläne für's nächste jahr für die deutsche community

[11:08] Mandy81 Auer: schön

[11:08] Silvio Interflug: re, mist

[11:08] Mandy81 Auer: schad das ich kein englisch versteh :-(

[11:08] Monalisa Robbiani: wb silvio

[11:08] Jean Linden: oh nein!

[11:08] Monalisa Robbiani: hi mandy:)

[11:08] Mandy81 Auer: hi monaaaaaa

[11:09] Jean Linden: Mandy!

[11:09] Tonia Brockholst: ein fernsehspot ^^ .. there´s a tv-commercial in europe for SL ???

[11:09] Jean Linden: Ich haette versuchen koennen

[11:09] Monalisa Robbiani: realy there is??

[11:09] January Lightfoot: YES , TV or any kind of spot, showing the positive sides and the potential woukld help a LOT

[11:09] Jahna Bing: no i asked fro

[11:09] Jean Linden: okay ,naechstest mal

[11:09] Jahna Bing: for

[11:09] Lexus Ling: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*

[11:09] Lexus Ling: Silvio

[11:10] Robby Pomeray: Hi Mandy

[11:10] Lexus Ling: $$..:: bin wieder da. und danke an second life airline für den flug ::..$$

[11:10] Mandy81 Auer: hi robby

[11:10] Jean Linden: probiere ich auf Deutsch

[11:10] Silvio Interflug: hehe

[11:10] Jean Linden: herzlichen Dank Lotte :)

[11:10] Monalisa Robbiani: 0.o

[11:10] Mandy81 Auer: wurscht hatte eh keine zeit musste big brother schaun

[11:10] You: herzlichen dank an dich und alle anderen, die heute da waren :)

[11:10] Silvio Interflug: danke jean und lotte

[11:11] You: wir haben die region voll bekommen, alle hüte ab - danke für eue überwältigendes interesse

[11:11] Robby Pomeray: Danke Jean und Lotte

[11:11] Mandy81 Auer: hoffe es gibt das interview auf deutsch bei dir dann zu sehen was heute besprochen wurde

[11:11] You: und die guten ideen, die wir gehört haben :)

[11:11] Monalisa Robbiani: wow guck mal auf die karte

[11:11] Lexus Ling: Jean, eine frage habe ich noch ;) Hast du was dagegen, wenn man dir Notecards schickt, mit SL Theman für 2008 ?

[11:11] Seraina Benelli: vielen dank auch von mir

[11:11] January Lightfoot: i know, CNN is bringing up a lot, but i think the americans might be more used to stuff like this.

[11:11] Lexus Ling: oder soll man das an lotte schicken ?

[11:11] Mandy81 Auer: SILVIO hoffe es gibt das interview auf deutsch bei dir dann zu sehen was heute besprochen wurde

[11:12] Tonia Brockholst: hmmm .. but CNN is not seen so much by germans (i guess)

[11:12] Monalisa Robbiani: reactions to SL are also more positive on US tv, or at least neutral

[11:12] Tonia Brockholst: *watched

[11:12] Jahna Bing: yes

[11:12] JaneD DeCuir: are you shure monalisa?

[11:12] January Lightfoot: in europe there might be a bigegr response

[11:12] Eski Howlett: arte!

[11:12] Monalisa Robbiani: quite

[11:12] Monalisa Robbiani: i saw documentaries, news

[11:12] Jean Linden: Und herzlichen Dank zum alle!!!

[11:13] JaneD DeCuir: us tv you said

[11:13] Jean Linden: und alle euer Fragen

[11:13] Lexus Ling: in german or english ? ;) :D

[11:13] Jean Linden: und auch email jean@lindenlab.com

[11:14] JaneD DeCuir: ein besseres support system zum beispiel

[11:14] Lexus Ling: my english is very bad

[11:14] Jean Linden: Und bitte verzeihe mir, ich bekomme viele email und kann nicht immer zuruck schnell schreiben

[11:14] JaneD DeCuir: thats why we need more contact in german to linden lab