User:Jack Linden/Office Hour/2009-02-12

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[11:03] Jack Linden: hey everyone!

[11:03] Kevtun Vandyke: Hello Jack :-)

[11:03] Holocluck Henly: heya jack!

[11:03] Equinox Pinion: hi jack

[11:03] Daniel Voyager: Hello Jack :)

[11:04] Jack Linden: Fontte and Talarus, do you guys specially coordinate where you stand?

[11:04] Holocluck Henly was wondering but they do look good

[11:04] Jack Linden: they do.. great avatars

[11:05] Fontte Newbold: He doesn't. I just do it for effect.

[11:05] Kevtun Vandyke: Like statues

[11:05] Holocluck Henly: heheh

[11:05] Jack Linden: good sized turnout today! good stuff

[11:05] Kyrion Yalin: hallo

[11:05] Kyrion Yalin: greetings

[11:05] Magneto Bashly: MOMMMMMMMIIIIIEEEE

[11:06] Bushido Contepomi: LOL! Let's get to the dirt;)

[11:06] Jack Linden: I have a few little updates to go through first if that's okay

[11:06] Holocluck Henly: i think this is my first attendance where no one openly seems ready to kill you for something. It's refreshing Jack

[11:06] Dennis Lagan: i will kill him soon

[11:06] Ciaran Laval: There's 54 minutes to go still

[11:06] Jack Linden: Ssshh holocluck!

[11:06] Holocluck Henly raises an eyebrow

[11:06] xstorm Radek: hi Jack

[11:06] Holocluck Henly: *listens for typed update

[11:07] Jack Linden: So.. the conclusion the land cutting thread is due today, so we've sent around the blog post internally and should push that out onto the blog later on

[11:07] Jack Linden: *to the

[11:07] Ciaran Laval: Are we going to like this conclusion? Or is it a Part Two coming to a sim near you soon type of conclusion?

[11:07] Jack Linden: No surprises there, but we are going to deal with land cutting when it's on a large scale, but we won't be impacting personal use situations

[11:08] Holocluck Henly: no i cant hear you

[11:08] Kevtun Vandyke: I can hear you too

[11:08] Bushido Contepomi: Fantastic work Jack!

[11:08] Holocluck Henly: heya marianne!

[11:08] Marianne McCann: Hiya

[11:08] Holocluck Henly takes off voice. overrated

[11:08] Jack Linden: so that's good. also..

[11:09] Jack Linden: we have a new blog coming next week which is going to be much more conversational

[11:09] Ewan Mureaux: conversational or controversial?

[11:09] Jack Linden: so we'll be keeping up a much higher level of dialogue about land

[11:09] Jack Linden: hehe ewan

[11:09] Kevtun Vandyke grins

[11:09] Holocluck Henly: depends on the conversation

[11:10] Bushido Contepomi: LOL! *Sit's on the edge of his seat

[11:10] Jack Linden: we're going to talk about some of our long term plans and goals and getting you guys to give us early feedback

[11:10] xstorm Radek: it be nice and even better if there was less blog and more inworld content

[11:10] Holocluck Henly: ever go exploring storm?

[11:10] Holocluck Henly: a lot happening east of nautilus

[11:10] Jack Linden: so who has something specific they want to talk about?

[11:10] Magneto Bashly: *Rases hand*

[11:10] Dennis Lagan: Jack, the KB for sim conversions has mysteriously in all silence changed. since some time you only need 3 homesteads instead of 4 to convert to a full SIM. with this you have fooled once again hundreds of "early adopters" who converted to full sims right after your excessive tier increase. (some even specially bought some extra to be able to convert). Many of them would have waited for sure to convert if they would have known this. What will you do about this, can those early adopters contact lindenlab, and get one sim back again for each 4 they converted?

[11:11] Holocluck Henly: I did but it has nothing to do with yaaagh nm

[11:11] Jack Linden: whoosh! let me read that

[11:11] Dennis Lagan: lol

[11:11] Holocluck Henly: I guess it's his turn

[11:11] DJ Flamand: eh???

[11:11] Ciaran Laval: Surely they have to be looking eventually at three to a core or this doesn't make much sense.

[11:12] Jack Linden: right, so you're specifically talking about the conversion from Homesteads to full regions, correct?

[11:12] Jack Linden: Ciaran.. yes

[11:12] Jack Linden: That's what we're looking at

[11:12] Dennis Lagan: yes. there was nothing else at the time people converted

[11:12] Holocluck Henly: no that was the first question. and that the new blogs debut next week

[11:13] Magneto Bashly: *rases hand, and wait for his turn*

[11:13] Holocluck Henly raises his hand too

[11:13] xstorm Radek shakes head

[11:13] DJ Flamand raises both hands and feets and falls down

[11:13] Jack Linden: for Homesteads, which are a different project after the conversion took place, the conversion rules are a little different to reflect the higher cost of that product (particularly the setup fee)

[11:14] Jack Linden: Before the conversion they were all Openspaces at a different fee level

[11:14] Magneto Bashly: *Raises hand, can I go next Please won't take long I promess*

[11:14] Dennis Lagan: surz, but that doesn't take away you fooled people by making them convert before. they would been cheaper of by waiting.

[11:14] DJ Flamand: why wasn't that blogged then...?

[11:14] DJ Flamand: little surprised here

[11:15] Dennis Lagan: not only you i guess DJ. so were we., and many others will be if they hear it

[11:15] Jack Linden: well, i'm not sure we 'fooled' people as such, that definitely wasn't our intent. we're just reflecting the difference in two products with two value levels. I understand what you're saying but we had to treat them different for those that chose to stick with Homesteads instead of drop those for full regions

[11:15] DJ Flamand: yes they will...that's what I meant

[11:16] Jack Linden: Those people had made a choice to accept the higher fees for that product

[11:16] Ciaran Laval: If someone converts three will they get USD$25 credit for the conversion?

[11:16] Dennis Lagan: ok jack, if it was not your intention, what can be done to this? its for sure not a nice thing on top of something that wans't nice to start with

[11:16] Jack Linden: Ciaran, no. Not as it stands now

[11:17] Jack Linden: Dennis, i would suggest you talk to the concierge team.. they can make a call on whether they are able to help at all.

[11:17] Magneto Bashly: *Raises hand* can I address mr.Jack Linden next my ques won't take long at all I swear it won't giggles

[11:17] DJ Flamand: but you have to wait 5-10 business days Dennis ;)

[11:17] Jack Linden: hehe.. go for it Magneto

[11:17] Dennis Lagan: this is not a matter of the concierge team, or you personally, but a general attidude of lindenlab.

[11:18] Magneto Bashly: can you hea me

[11:18] Magneto Bashly: hear

[11:18] Holocluck Henly: no i cant

[11:18] Jack Linden: I can hear your voice yes, but lets keep this in text please

[11:18] Magneto Bashly: oh

[11:18] Holocluck Henly: too lagged. took it off

[11:18] xstorm Radek: text is to keep logs

[11:18] Seany1235 Blinker: hello everyone

[11:19] Jack Linden: yeah and not everyone is comfortable in voice

[11:19] xstorm Radek: some use voice dictation system to type

[11:20] Holocluck Henly: maybe it needs batteries

[11:20] Magneto Bashly: this is the deal, My friend owns a sim, over there is Kev siting on the couch my sl Mommy owns land on that sim, they use a warps systeim on the land kev don't care if i'm there, on her land but the people who run warps don't want me there becuase i'm a chilhd Avtar even tho I do nothing wrong the only time i'm there is when I have to update my mommy store becuase she's not a builder the ques is can they froce me out

[11:20] Jack Linden: for those that are interested, the average Mainland price is continuing it's very slow rise. Dropped alittle over the last few days but still up overall

[11:20] Bushido Contepomi: LOL! Click the lttle talk button (Bottom Right:) Magneto:)

[11:20] Magneto Bashly: simpley becuase of the way I look

[11:20] Magneto Bashly: I think if there more details to this Kev ccan take the floor as he's been dealilng with this issiue

[11:21] Timo Daehlie: it will drop the coming days too

[11:21] Talarus Luan: They can do whatever they want on their own land, yes. (within the ToS, of course)

[11:21] Timo Daehlie: some have a reverse auction atm

[11:21] Jack Linden: Magento, basically it is the landowners choice who they allow on their land. If the landowner wishes to exclude someone, that is their call. It would only be something we would get involved with if there was actual harrassment

[11:21] Jack Linden: *magneto

[11:21] Magneto Bashly: there more to it then that Kev could you explain

[11:22] Ewan Mureaux: on exclusion, the knowledge base state that scripted devices should give a warning, is that still the case/

[11:22] Jack Linden: reverse auction Timo?

[11:22] Timo Daehlie: yes ... start high priced .. lower it each day or hour until all is sold

[11:22] xstorm Radek: sounds like a scam

[11:23] Magneto Bashly: the point is kev don't own the arps system or the lic to it can thoe that he's in patership with tell him if i'm on his land basicy you lose yoru warps

[11:23] Ciaran Laval: It's not a scam

[11:23] Magneto Bashly: do they have that right

[11:23] Jack Linden: Ewan, if that's in the KB then yeah. Otherwise people get hurled about and don't have a chance to steer themselves away

[11:24] Jack Linden: If the warps thing, whatever that is, isn't doing as the landowner wants it to, then the landowner can remove it presumably. but we wouldn't overrule a landowners choice about who is on their land

[11:24] Kevtun Vandyke: It's just that other people are forcing me to drive people out of my sim cause of a combat system that is running there. That is what Magneto means. If I don't do what they wish I will be excluded from their Estate cause they feel child avatars should not be associated with combat. This is something I agree with, but as they don't participate I am still being forced into sending people off from my own region over this.

[11:24] Jack Linden: who oans the land Kevtun?

[11:24] Marianne McCann: /mes ears perk up

[11:24] Jack Linden: *owns

[11:24] Kevtun Vandyke: But the Warps system is a combat system the land runs on, and the residents are mainly there cause of that system so it would hurt my business

[11:25] Kevtun Vandyke: I do

[11:25] Ewan Mureaux: I saw mari punch someone once so kids can be violent

[11:25] Ewan Mureaux: jk

[11:25] Holocluck Henly: :P

[11:25] Talarus Luan: If she hasn't, she probably will soon. :P

[11:25] Stud Grut: i have a question Mr. Jack Linden what should i do about someone importing and distributing my real life information

[11:25] Talarus Luan: File an Abuse Report, Stud

[11:25] Jack Linden: well, then that is a decision you'll have to make as the owner i'm afraid. if you don't like the results of using that system then you'd need to not use it. it;s really between you and whoever provides that combat system for you

[11:25] Ciaran Laval: Disclosure is a TOS offence

[11:26] Jack Linden: we wouldn't get involved

[11:26] xstorm Radek: yes it is

[11:26] Kevtun Vandyke: I understand...that answers my question. Thank you Jack

[11:26] Magneto Bashly: so people are allowed to desc agiant child av's

[11:26] Jack Linden: Stud.. that is a ToS violation so you should abuse report them.

[11:26] Talarus Luan: People are allowed to discriminate over ANY avs for ANY reason, on their own land.

[11:27] Holocluck Henly: yup sad to say but true. cant you just switch avs for the process then back? consider it an RPG change

[11:27] Magneto Bashly: one last ques mr.Jack the only resctions child av's have is when it comes to age play which at one time I dindt' know what that ment but basicy sexuel content is that correct? in my understanding? that's the only resctions we have?

[11:27] Jack Linden: creative thought Holocluck!

[11:28] Stud Grut: thank you i will

[11:28] Holocluck Henly: sure if you PLAY an adult in it then you get away with it

[11:28] Talarus Luan: Yohan!

[11:28] Jack Linden: ageplay is a violation, that's correct.

[11:28] Magneto Bashly: what I ment is

[11:28] Jack Linden: I think the KB has information on that

[11:28] Marianne McCann: If you'd like Magneto, I can go over the specifics of the age play regulations offgroup

[11:28] Magneto Bashly: child av's can do what ever they want as long as it doesn't invloe sexuel activey right

[11:28] Equinox Pinion: there is a rumor going around that the teengrid and the maingrid will be that true?

[11:28] Holocluck Henly: it isnt clear to the general public that ageplay is specifically sexual activities and content with minors and images of minors

[11:29] Holocluck Henly didnt see equinox raise HIS hand

[11:29] Jack Linden: Equinox, it's something we're looking at but there is a lot to be done before that would be possible so nothing is certain yet

[11:29] xstorm Radek: there has been a lot of RP vampire people going in to non RP sims and attacking people and ignoring the TOS and rules of the sim will some one do some thing about them i have seen a company pull out od SL do to that

[11:29] Holocluck Henly: well hope you decide NOT to

[11:29] Holocluck Henly: been there done there everywhre else on the net

[11:29] Equinox Pinion: i hope you will NOT do that

[11:29] Kevtun Vandyke agrees with Equinox

[11:29] Holocluck Henly: i think you'll get an overwhelming no way from the residents

[11:29] Bushido Contepomi: I dress as a Panda Sometimes Magneto, and only have been aproached once, have no fear!

[11:29] Talarus Luan: banhammer the vampires! :P

[11:30] Holocluck Henly raises his hand again

[11:30] Jack Linden: ?

[11:30] Magneto Bashly: am I right to say as a child avtar I can do what ever I want to do as long as it doesn't inv sexuel activey? is my understanding on that right?

[11:30] Talarus Luan: O.o

[11:30] Holocluck Henly: well mag you cant be really in an area where sexual content or activity is going on

[11:30] Ewan Mureaux: as long as it doesn't break any of the TOS and CS I would assume

[11:30] Ciaran Laval: Magneto Marianne is a bit of an expert in that area

[11:30] Holocluck Henly: even if you're not yourself

[11:30] Jack Linden: Magneto, it's probably not the best place to go into that, at this meeting.. but read the KB and talk to the support team

[11:30] Marianne McCann: Jes a bit

[11:30] Jack Linden: They can answer your questions

[11:30] Marianne McCann grins

[11:31] Holocluck Henly: :)

[11:31] Magneto Bashly: kb?

[11:31] Jack Linden: knowledge base

[11:31] Talarus Luan: You're not really a minor in RL, are you? :D

[11:31] Holocluck Henly: kb = knowledge base

[11:31] Dytska Vieria remembers Marianne's "Boogerhead!" sign...

[11:31] Holocluck Henly: heh

[11:32] Jack Linden: who else has a topic for us?

[11:32] Holocluck Henly raises his hand

[11:32] Holocluck Henly: yes

[11:32] Ewan Mureaux too

[11:32] Evil Titler: Ashley McKinley needs a new title! To set it, anyone may say the text on /13. Ashley is not able to change it.

[11:32] Eleonora Porta: @ jack: what has a project managed by educators do, what documents or other have they to produce in order to have a land in teengrid and what time does it take, please?

[11:32] Jack Linden: go for it

[11:32] Evil Titler: DJ Flamand has set a new title for Ashley McKinley! Ashley will have to live with this until the next chance for it to be changed.

[11:32] Holocluck Henly: but i guess theres no ciility here

[11:32] Holocluck Henly: i dont come every week

[11:32] Holocluck Henly: civility even

[11:32] Ciaran Laval: Pathfinder is the education man

[11:33] Talarus Luan: It's not normally expected to ask questions in sequence. :)

[11:33] Holocluck Henly: okay great

[11:33] Jack Linden: Eleonora.. great question. if you look at the main website you should see a link for educators. And there are KB articles that explain it too.

[11:33] Talarus Luan: Rather informal here.

[11:33] Jack Linden: I will ask someone to get in touch to explain it inworld

[11:33] Holocluck Henly: ok. I'll flood over someone else next

[11:33] Magneto Bashly: I will read the KB thanks mr.Jack, one last ques and i'm shuting my mouth lets say i'm minding my own bussness and someone walks up to me and takes there clothing off and I report them could the sim owner get in trouble or just the person who did that bad thing that's a ques that the KB doesn't answer and many sim owners like KEv is concerned about this that's my last ques thanks everyone for listening to me

[11:33] Eleonora Porta: ty

[11:33] Holocluck Henly: no matter your age magneto thats ARable i think if it's intentional

[11:34] Holocluck Henly: i mean your avs age

[11:34] Holocluck Henly: sexual activity is consentual and MATURITY is practicing that

[11:34] Jack Linden: Magneto, we wouldn't normally get involved with abuse situations on a private estate.. that is for the estate owner.

[11:35] xstorm Radek: then AR the owner

[11:35] Brie Janick: lol

[11:35] Holocluck Henly: I've heard of plans for additional continents (at least three more named Gaeta, for example). Wondering whether these too involved special Linden communities like Nautilus or Bay Cities. (more)

[11:35] Holocluck Henly: These may be nice for LL's infusion, but for trying to provide a themed community, a good chunk of both are for sale. Many entrepreneur wannabes auctioned to unrealistic prices and expect people to buy their rollovers (dont ask me why).

[11:35] Magneto Bashly: ~*~ otay ~*~ reason i asked is some sim owns think that if they got reported they woudl lose there sim over soemthing they have no contorl over once again thanks for your time i'm done

[11:35] Holocluck Henly: Is or would Linden Lab look into the possibility of freezing resales of mainland in doubleprim areas to encourage actual settlers and discourage auctions from reaching insane levels?

[11:35] Jack Linden: Holocluck: soo.. current plans..

[11:36] Ewan Mureaux: Jack: I'm concerned about skirting the edges of the advertising rules regarding having an item on land for sale vs having a "for sale sign" which I don't. The worry being that the object becomes recognised asa sign that the land is for sale or rent. Obviously I would like to err on the side of caution. Can you please tell me the process to go through, the checks and measures to verify that I'm not now and never have been an "ad-farmer" so that I may conduct my business safe in the knowledge that there is no grey area and that I am fuly compliant?

[11:36] Holocluck Henly: one at a time ewan

[11:36] Marianne McCann: Jack - can you speak at all about the land swap in Sinica, freeing up the right of way for the SLRR?

[11:36] Holocluck Henly: :)

[11:36] Jack Linden: we're still holding on new Mainland auctions, we only put new land out when we have developments like Nautilus (which has only happened twice)

[11:36] Holocluck Henly: and the prices - 400+ US$ for modest land in Bay City? Never gonna develop.

[11:37] Jack Linden: we have several continents prepped, called Gaeta 2, 3 and so on. they are fairly small and we're not likely to use them any time soon as the auctions are on hold

[11:37] Talarus Luan: Yep. That's Bay City's problem :)

[11:37] Jack Linden: oop let me read, need to catch up..

[11:37] Holocluck Henly: i'm wondering if special restriction in special areas may call for special rules to deter these kinds of investors a tthe auctions

[11:37] Fontte Newbold: Apologies for withholding my input for now. I got coldcalled into a meeting. :)

[11:37] Holocluck Henly: i dont think LL had in mind this when they made all that nice custom stuff and a theme

[11:38] Talarus Luan: Dunno how it could be done any other way than simply selling it at a fixed price. That's kinda the point with auctions.

[11:38] Jack Linden: Ewan, that's a difficult one to answer because it's going to be subjective and we'd need to look at what objects you are using and how they look

[11:38] Ciaran Laval: Not everyone is looking to flip land in Bay City and Nautilus, indeed some are actively working to try and get a boost for saod areas

[11:38] xstorm Radek: with all the main land thats not getting used and just sitting its a shame no one is using mainland like they did at one time

[11:38] Ewan Mureaux: can I schedule a meeting?

[11:38] Holocluck Henly thinks wait where's my answer

[11:39] Jack Linden: So i wouldn't be able to just give an answer. If there is advertising involved, then chances are that we wouldn't allow it. But we'd need to look first

[11:39] Dennis Lagan: speaking about the mainland, one of the sims in the blake sea is group owned, by a group where some USS owners are set as Owner (displayed bold) in that group. I do think thats one step to far. a few weeks ago you told us here they didn't get anything for free, just "added value', but this is cleary a free mainland region. there are many sailing clubs around on the mainland, and they alll pay for the areas where they need to place their starter lines and such. i think you should revoke this rights immediate, or develop a complete system where everyone can have the same possiblities via a trasparant process (not just saying "you can contact me for questions about it," we tried to write you 6 times for 2 months by now with just one response saying you would like to discuss further, but any subsequent attempts were completely ignored, including decline of the notecard. -- if this was not meant to be, whats the estimate amount of months one has to wait?)

[11:39] Holocluck Henly: i dindt ask about the availability of special land in the future i asked what measures may be taken to discourage flippers and encourage actual homesteaders on these mainilands without violating tos

[11:40] Jack Linden: Holocluck, we haven't considered freezing double primmed sales as such, I'm not sure what that would achieve

[11:40] Jack Linden: By the way, I can confirm that we *are* going to add an Infohub to Bay City

[11:40] Jack Linden: As originally planned

[11:40] Holocluck Henly: well it means if someone wanted a quick buck or 600 bucks off the fever of a new land, they would be discouraged from driving the auctions up by not bidding

[11:40] Ciaran Laval: What discourages flippers is land not selling

[11:40] Marianne McCann just got the word on that as well

[11:40] Holocluck Henly: making the way for people who actually want to USE the land to afford it

[11:41] Marianne McCann: (Which is why I've been so quiet. Ims!)

[11:41] Jack Linden: Ewan, yes.. I will ask someone to get in touch

[11:41] Holocluck Henly: yes ciaran but tier is king

[11:41] Holocluck Henly: if they need to hold onto a chunk of extra tier because they cant resell while the new place is fresh and the hot spot then they wont be inclined to bid

[11:41] Holocluck Henly: one would hope

[11:42] Talarus Luan: I think that, in the case of those "special" areas, the market has to be left to tend itself.

[11:42] Jack Linden: Holocluck, I think our view in general is that prices match demand with auctions, but that does mean sometimes people over stretch themselves, and then land recycles for less. over time it tends to settle doen

[11:42] Jack Linden: *down

[11:42] Marianne McCann: Any word on other hubs, Jack, other than Bay City?

[11:43] Holocluck Henly: jack, people paid almost a thou. they have their land for sale since day 1. we know it wont sell. how can this be prevented in the future orr does it take care of itself?

[11:43] Jack Linden: We're going to look at Nautilus to see if there is a suitable spot for one, away from resident owned land

[11:43] Jack Linden: But no otehr definite plans

[11:43] Holocluck Henly: somehow i have little faith on shallow category human nature lol

[11:44] Talarus Luan: People went stupid and overbid themselves speculating on what is really a "small bump" in difference with regular mainland, then they will eat tier until they drop their prices.

[11:44] xstorm Radek: if free accounts was setup so they can not build i bet that will lower island price do to less load on the servers and it make more money coming in to SL and LL

[11:44] Jack Linden: Holocluck, it will take care of itself. Nautilus for example is still quite new

[11:44] Ciaran Laval: Well Nautilus has had the USS and Blake Sea boost, I wouldn't be surprised if something comes to Bay City to boost that.

[11:44] Qie Niangao: The more "special" land there is on the grid, the stupider the stupidly-high-priced land will look in the old spots.

[11:44] Talarus Luan: yep

[11:44] Marianne McCann: Ciaran... like a Western expansion.

[11:45] Marianne McCann winks

[11:45] Holocluck Henly: there is. areas north of bay city have been built

[11:45] Jack Linden: Bay City will expand too, in time. Nautilus is different in that it can't grow which makes land there very finite

[11:45] Holocluck Henly: there's rumors of western expansion yeah

[11:45] Dytska Vieria: What about expanding (completing) areas on the first 3 old continents?

[11:45] Qie Niangao: Lots of Gaeta to be built still, and no cities yet on Jeogeot, etc.

[11:46] Jack Linden: it was always intended that Bay City keep going, we want to add more suburban areas, perhaps more commercial, and so on. more like a real city feel

[11:46] Holocluck Henly: were there plans for cities in all areas? I didnt think of that lol

[11:46] Holocluck Henly: well if people settle there and actually feed into the theme :)

[11:46] Jack Linden: Dytska, we've talked about starting a new City area on one of the older continents yes. Hard to find a good spot for it though

[11:47] xstorm Radek: more citys but the roads on mainland are more then half gone whats the point ?

[11:47] Elanthius Flagstaff: How about right next to my store? That would be very convenient

[11:47] Holocluck Henly: half gone?

[11:47] Jack Linden: I would like a City on each continent, but we'd need a lot more Moles for that hehe

[11:47] Holocluck Henly: gaeta has all its roads in. they go one continent at a time

[11:47] Marianne McCann grins

[11:47] Marianne McCann: I'm shovel ready, Jack.

[11:47] Bushido Contepomi: LOL @ Elanthius:)

[11:47] Ciaran Laval: There are more roads around now, the moles have been busy

[11:47] Jack Linden: xstorm, we've been repairing a lot of road, so there shouldn't be big gaps in the roadways any more

[11:47] Holocluck Henly too lol

[11:48] xstorm Radek: Jack Linden i wish i was a mole but im only a cat

[11:48] Jack Linden: :)

[11:48] Holocluck Henly looks at storm. you want me to do the bunny thing again?

[11:48] Talarus Luan: SO, you were saying earlier that the landcutting policy blog is due out today, or?

[11:48] Jack Linden: Yes today

[11:49] Talarus Luan: Coo

[11:49] Dytska Vieria: No arguing about what Strawman is in the forums!

[11:49] Jack Linden: Then after the new blog goes live, we'l lstart talking about Traffic and Camping bots

[11:49] xstorm Radek: what about putting a blog screen in this room so people can stop in and read inside SL ?

[11:49] Holocluck Henly: my question in there got lost in the thread. how can it be detected if someone cuts up 16sqms temporarily to reconfigure land without trying to sell it. i been there since i am on a diagonal in anilis

[11:49] Ciaran Laval: and the conversational blog is due before the end of next week?

[11:50] Holocluck Henly: mmm camping bots.

[11:50] Jack Linden: xstorm.. ooh.. that's a great idea

[11:50] xstorm Radek: ;-)

[11:50] Elanthius Flagstaff: Agreed Dytska, let's do "begging the question" next time

[11:50] Talarus Luan: If they aren't trying to sell it, they won't be affected

[11:50] Jack Linden: Holocluck, we can see cutting in the land data, and we can watch to see what the intent is

[11:51] Jack Linden: It's not difficult to spot at all

[11:51] Talarus Luan: ..or otherwise trying to harass their neighbors with it.

[11:51] Holocluck Henly: or selling to specific person for 1? LOL done that too to pass parts over

[11:51] Holocluck Henly: ohh

[11:51] Jack Linden: Ciaran, next week the new blog appear

[11:51] Jack Linden: *s

[11:51] Holocluck Henly looks over jack's shoulder

[11:51] Elanthius Flagstaff: Really next week, or, like, submitted to PR next week and then really out the week after

[11:51] Holocluck Henly: it's like my old superuser days with the ISP

[11:52] Jack Linden: really next week. early next week.

[11:52] Jack Linden: next

[11:52] Jack Linden: week

[11:52] Jack Linden: :)

[11:52] Elanthius Flagstaff: LOL

[11:52] Seany1235 Blinker: brb

[11:52] Talarus Luan: Put that on a recording box and have people press it for an answer. :p

[11:52] Jack Linden: I think Blue is going to post something about it tomorrow to the current blog as well, so keep an eye open for that

[11:53] Bushido Contepomi: LOL!

[11:53] Holocluck Henly: I have another issue jack. Someone sold SOME land to my neighbor, then the land parallel to me was abandoned. he could have offered it to me and my neighbor but didnt. its been several months. we dont see this going to auction obviously, but we feel we should have this land at least offered to us

[11:53] Talarus Luan: Thing is, it is always accurate, even if it never comes out! :D

[11:53] Jack Linden: I really can't wait to be honest, it's going to allow us to have much more open conversation about ideas and policies etc

[11:53] Dennis Lagan: jack, why was the rather good looking economic statistics page downgraded to a bunch of links to xls files, making the land sales comparisons and other stuff from month to month much more complex? ( further the page has also been removed from the links on the main residents page of the website, and replaced by a "marketplace" link (, with not a lot of interesting information...

[11:53] Ciaran Laval: Spit it out Jack

[11:53] Holocluck Henly: this land would mean me and my neighbor would own a neat square of land

[11:53] Ciaran Laval: :)

[11:53] Elanthius Flagstaff: Holochuck, if it's small put in a ticket they give away land to people who are neighbours on three sides all the time

[11:54] Talarus Luan: Put in a ticket about it, and ask for it to be added to the auction queue.

[11:54] Holocluck Henly: well together we make two sides

[11:54] Jack Linden: Holocluck if it's abandoned then file a support ticket asking if you can have it

[11:54] Holocluck Henly: then theres the edge of a region

[11:54] Talarus Luan: How big is it?

[11:54] Holocluck Henly: whats 2048-512?

[11:54] Elanthius Flagstaff: ::cough::

[11:54] Holocluck Henly: my math is shut down

[11:54] Talarus Luan: 1536

[11:54] Holocluck Henly: that

[11:55] Holocluck Henly: it mirrors my current piece

[11:55] Jack Linden: Dennis, we're revamping that info because we want to add better data

[11:55] Dytska Vieria: Jack, today I discovered a 1024x1024x100 mega prim in the sim next door (Zale). I don't know how long it has been there. It was AR'ed and gone in a minute (thank you), but is there any way to prevent such huge objects being rezzed on mainland?

[11:55] Talarus Luan: Yeah, put in a ticket and ask if they can put it in the auction queue quicker

[11:55] Holocluck Henly: i'll try that

[11:55] Dennis Lagan: in the meantime you could leave the old in place :) this is a downgrade

[11:55] Talarus Luan: Prevent? no.

[11:55] Elanthius Flagstaff: Yeah but Jack, why take down the old data? It's very disappointing after you would come here and go on and on about improving it and providing more data

[11:56] Jack Linden: Dytska, no current way to prevent them i'm afraid, though we jump on them pretty quickly

[11:56] Holocluck Henly: oh Dy and Jack: we had HELL and I mean HELL because someone had a full sim megaprim in the nEXT region and it crossed over slightly into ours . it was terrible lag most of the time. AR after AR. when it was gone suddenly we could all move

[11:56] Holocluck Henly: so this should be taken seriously when a mega crosses regions

[11:56] Holocluck Henly: it kills us

[11:57] Dytska Vieria: Sometimes, they are so huge you cannot see them

[11:57] Holocluck Henly: oh it was clear on our side

[11:57] Talarus Luan: Hmm. Haven't seen that. Megas don't seem to affect us.

[11:57] Holocluck Henly: traveling the borders i found it

[11:57] xstorm Radek: if a mega prim is crossing over you can AR it and have it removed

[11:57] Jack Linden: Elanthius, hmm yeah, I can see your point. But the old data was either wrong at worst or misleading at best. Almost no-one really understood what it was telling them.

[11:57] Holocluck Henly: well it took a couple months before it was gone and we still dont know if it;s because they left. maybe LL didnt do anything?

[11:58] Holocluck Henly: but it sure did bad stuff in a then little inhabited region

[11:58] Stud Grut: Mr. Jack Linden What are the steps i need to take to reoprt the TOS abuse of the one importing and giving out my personal info and convos not in SL i have never done it before and i just give you the note card this person is spreading around?

[11:58] Talarus Luan: Yeah, it depends. Has it been since the Havok 4 update?

[11:58] Holocluck Henly: yes it has talarus

[11:58] Holocluck Henly: it ended last month

[11:58] Talarus Luan: Weird. Must be some kind of edge case.

[11:58] Jack Linden: Stud, from your Help menu.. file an Abuse Report

[11:59] Holocluck Henly: megas and edges are bad

[11:59] Jack Linden: 'Report Abuse..'

[11:59] Ciaran Laval: Megas can be bad anywhere, they used to get dropped and then there would be reports of people being unable to walk or sit anywhere

[11:59] Holocluck Henly: stud is there any reason you would give out personal info in SL?

[11:59] xstorm Radek: only some mega are bad

[11:59] Jack Linden: so, it's that sad moment when my office hour ends and another meeting beckons. thank you all as always!

[12:00] Bushido Contepomi: Thanks Jack:)

[12:00] Qie Niangao: thanks, Jack.

[12:00] Talarus Luan: I suppose, though I only use them as phantom, myself.

[12:00] Ciaran Laval: Cheers Jack

[12:00] Dennis Lagan: see you next week! byebye :)

[12:00] Holocluck Henly: megas like lasers - can be used for good

[12:00] Kevtun Vandyke: Thank you Jack :-)

[12:00] xstorm Radek: if you take a 600 X 600 and cut it yes thats bad

[12:00] Holocluck Henly: later Jack!

[12:00] Ewan Mureaux: cheers jack, I'll drop you an email as a reminder about my question

[12:00] Jack Linden: here's to the new blog and more chatter. :) take care all