User:Torley Linden/Office Hours/2007-10-05

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Torley Linden: Hello! :D
Torley Linden: And I am here!
Wolfie Waves hugs his Linden detector
Wolfie Waves: Hehe
Gumby Roffo: G'DAY MATE !!
Lyndsey Forager: Hiyas Torley
Torley Linden: Glad to see you here already!
DJ Jenns: heh Hi Torley
Torley Linden: GOOOOODAY!
Wolfie Waves: Hey Torley :)
Lyndsey Forager: hope you had a lovely time
Torley Linden: Chase, I just replied to your email, thanks!
Torley Linden is still playing vacation catchup.
Torley Linden: I sure did, thanks for well-wishing! How've you all been?
DJ Jenns: fun fun fun :-)
Wolfie Waves: Have a nice holiday, Torley? :)
Lyndsey Forager: did you go somewhere nice torley?
DJ Jenns: Lost...Completely Lost without our weekly Torley fix
DJ Jenns: lol
Lyndsey Forager: absolutly
Randal Kline: productive vacation?
Torley Linden: Yes I went to Whidbey Island in the USA and it was very tranquil and peaceful.
Gumby Roffo: Good but I got my days mixed up so have missed a few meetings
Torley Linden: Productive insofar as "being able to relax and rejuvenate".
Angsty Rossini: Nooo "productive" and "vacation" do not go together!!!
Torley Linden: Awww! Well I'm glad to be back.
Chase Marellan: Tranquil and peaceful sounds wonderful. :)
Lyndsey Forager: he he
Lyndsey Forager: glad to have you back
Chase Marellan: definitely!
Torley Linden: Thanks much!
Wolfie Waves: I bet Torley planned his holiday specially to avoid all the complaints about VAT :p
Lyndsey Forager: torley, have you not got a change of clothes since you were on slnn
Gumby Roffo: wolfie mk2
Wolfie Waves giggles
Lyndsey Forager: he he
Torley Linden: So what's new and exciting? Feel free to bring up topics, I've been playing with a simple sculptie maker called PloppSL.
Wolfie Waves: I know I would
Torley Linden: Wolfie: I'm not involved in that area (billing & such) of Linden Lab so I don't know! =)
Wolfie Rankin: Another Wolfie?
Torley Linden: Oh yeah I should get more suits eh...
DJ Jenns: WEll Torley - Us Europeans have been going absolutely mental about the whole VAT thing
Wolfie Waves: Hehe :p
Torley Linden: Oh two Wolfies!
Lyndsey Forager: I think the most exciting thing that happened when you were away torley was dj jenns event - and the massive amount he raised
Torley Linden: Yeah, sucks to hear about it... you know what they say about death and taxes... :\
DJ Jenns blushes lol
Lyndsey Forager: he he
Torley Linden: I'm glad to hear that went well Lyndsey!
Angsty Rossini: one seat left Wolfie:)
Randal Kline: been trying to play around with terrain sculptor, but the satellite maps arent updated
Torley Linden: Which terrain sculptor is this?
Gumby Roffo: always one seat left
Angsty Rossini: oh
DJ Jenns: I was pleasantly surprised - made $800 for the spinal unit - much much more than i ever expected to raise from SL
Torley Linden: The seats do go up to 10 maximum here...
Wolfie Waves: I just worried that LL is going to get in trouble as your supposed to include VAT, not add it on. But meh, I'm not fussed
Torley Linden: Awww congrats DJ, for a good cause.
Lyndsey Forager: he he
DJ Jenns: yeah and its also a great sign for how strong the currency is
Randal Kline: http://spinmass.blogspot.com/2007/08/terrain-sculptor-maps-sims-and-creates.html
Wolfie Waves changes the subject to WindLight :p Neeed to know then I get to drool over it :p
Torley Linden: *checks* Spinmass, I know that name.
Angsty Rossini: Hi Eva :)
Lyndsey Forager: i cant wait to see you with a humungous cheque
Evangeline Wind: hi :)
Torley Linden: WindLight is still in heavy bug-crunching mode as we prep for a First Look re-release. That may sound vague but there are lots of specific bugs...
Torley Linden: and we completely reworked the Graphics Preferences too.
Torley Linden: It's a lot simpler now.
Lyndsey Forager: woah first look windlight, thats gonna be fun
Wolfie Waves: Weeee! ^.^
Wolfie Rankin: ABC sim is back online
Gumby Roffo: excellent
Torley Linden: We reduced 3 tabs into 1 and made it more easy to set Low, Med, High, Ultra, etc. settings WITH THE CLICK OF A BUTTON... you can still do things the old way via Custom mode if you want that level od detail.
Evangeline Wind: hi torley, hi everyone :)
Torley Linden: I will keep doing my project updates, I must.
Torley Linden: Hey Evangeline!
Torley Linden: OH GOSH I gotta show this Terrain Sculptor to my wife, she'd dig it, she does a lot of that in SL... thanks for the tip!
Lyndsey Forager: Torly, do you get in trouble if you crash a sim, 'cas i have crashed 2 by accident playing with the beta havock
Wolfie Waves: Can I still try to bribe you, Torley for a copy of the internal build on the WL client? ;)
Wolfie Waves: Hehehe
Prospero Frobozz: Howdy all
Lyndsey Forager: hiya prospero
Phli Foxchase: Hi Prospero
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: Not unless you do it maliciously and intentionally, and often, repeatedly. So don't worry if it was by accident, and if it's a reproducible bug we don't know about, BE SURE TO LET US KNOW so we can fix those crashes. =)
Gumby Roffo: G'day pros
Torley Linden: Heya Prospero!
Lyndsey Forager: Phewwwwww
Wolfie Rankin: The Melbourne Laneways build was shown on TV a few hours ago
Evangeline Wind: hi gum hugs
Torley Linden: Wolfie: You can try but I will put up much resistant.
Gumby Roffo: HUggles Eva
Torley Linden: Resistance I mean. =)
Igel Hawks: Hiya @all
Torley Linden: Oooh I haven't seen that yet Wolfie.
Wolfie Waves: Hehe, I'll give ya L$30K :p
Wolfie Waves: Lol
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Prospero Frobozz has no voice, doesn't understand why....
Angsty Rossini: which channel Wolfie?
Randal Kline: wolfie: you might want to encrypt that msg :)
DJ Jenns: How is everyone finding Havok4 ? I thought it was great fun
Prospero Frobozz: I enjoyed playing griefer :)
DJ Jenns: even found a giant game of Ker-Plunk!
Lyndsey Forager: its so much fun, i loved bouncing 1500 balls about like in a ball pit
Prospero Frobozz: Even found a couple of bits of unexpected behavior.
Wolfie Rankin: ABC of course
Chase Marellan: I hadn't had time to play with it, but a giant Ker-Plunk game makes it worth it. LM? :)
Torley Linden: Oh, yeah, I turned off voice on my parcel awhile ago!
Prospero Frobozz: Oh! Cool, it all makes sense now.
Torley Linden: Hehe. I
DJ Jenns: It was in a sandbox im afraid so might now be there
Torley Linden: I was going to say that I was testing various settings...
Chase Marellan: ah, too bad. :(
Torley Linden: we should have more documentation for the voice stuff...
Torley Linden: I liked multiplying twisted tori on Havok4... it's a lot more resilient to that sort of activity.
Prospero Frobozz: I had *thought* that a little "no voice" icon showed up in the top bar when voice was turned off... I looked for that.
Prospero Frobozz: I mostly played around with embedding objects and trying to get them to launch each other. I discovered that if you embed a little sphere in a big cube, it launches father than if you embed a cube.
Torley Linden: Prospero: Confusing thing is, it's the opposite... there's a voice-enabled icon that shows up, but no disabled equivalent. Meanwhile, most of the other menu icons are "NO" ones.
Prospero Frobozz: Also, if you drop a big object on a little object, the little object gets stuck embedded.
Torley Linden: Intriguing Prospero... hmmm.
DJ Jenns: How did you find your show the other week with SLCN Torley ?
Prospero Frobozz: Torlay : Aaaaahhh! That's what I was thinking. Yeah, backwards for one thing violates the principle of least surprise :)
DJ Jenns: Slimmie says your fantastic :D
Torley Linden: DJ: I had a lot of fun on it, thanks for asking. Not nearly enough time, I know Paisley had a lot of questions she wanted to ask me but we didn't get it to...
Wolfie Waves: Oh yeah, speaking of Havok4, I had fun in a totally empty sim that I was lucky to find on the beta grid, I tried my shift + drag on a large physical link set which usually instantly crashed a Havok1 sim but it didn't dent the Havok4 sim ^.^ So I decided to go overboard and used up the whole sims 15,000 prim allocation with compacted ubercolliding physical prims. I was suprised that time dillation only dropped on average to 0.50
Patchouli Woollahra: zomg, it's a Torley!
Torley Linden: Prospero: Brent and Benjamin Linden have some strong feelings on making that more consistent. ^_^
Prospero Frobozz is working in another window, so may be slow to respond.
Torley Linden: ZOMG indeed!
Wolfie Waves: Was amazed and almost fell off my chair I was that happy hehe
Torley Linden: Heyas Patch.
Patchouli Woollahra: and how was sabbatical?
Torley Linden has been looking for more good men's clothing recently so if you have recommendations, I'm all ears.
Lyndsey Forager: hiya patchouli
Wolfie Waves: Finally no more griefers can bring down or even cause too much trouble with physical attacks
Chase Marellan: Hi, Patch!
Torley Linden: Haha, when I think "sabbatical", I think of professors!
DJ Jenns: without a doubt
Evangeline Wind: hi g2
Patchouli Woollahra: try asking Carl Metropolitan, Torley.
DJ Jenns: ::FORM:: are stunning
Prospero Frobozz: Torlye : good period costumes at, I think, SF designs?
Torley Linden: But seriously, it was very well, thanks...
Patchouli Woollahra: he's always snappily dressed.
Good2 Go: hiya all
Torley Linden: Hmmm... SF Designs. *makes a note*
Chase Marellan: Definitely SF Designs.
Patchouli Woollahra: while you were gone, everything basically went to hell in the comms department.
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: I'm actually looking for good navy costumes circa the Napoleonic Wars era, like Horatio Hornblower.
Torley Linden: How so Patch?
Prospero Frobozz: Torley : they had some pirate costumes there :)
Torley Linden: ARRRR.
Patchouli Woollahra: we were ambushed by Very Antagonizing Taxes for EU residents.
Prospero Frobozz: Innisfree (192, 54, 537)
Patchouli Woollahra: aka VAT.
DJ Jenns gave you FORM New Main Shop @ Someplace Else - Achlya (141, 14, 73).
Lyndsey Forager: Ohhhhh pirates me 'arties
Torley Linden: Thanks for the landmark, DJ.
Torley Linden: Oh yes Patch, I'm aware of that.
Judi Newall gave you Whittlesea Commons, Caledon SteamSkyCity (203, 113, 23).
Landmark is missing from database.
Torley Linden: Thanks Judi!
Judi Newall: Whittlesea in Caledon for clothes of that era
Patchouli Woollahra: It's been in the news, =sigh=
Lyndsey Forager: vat stinks
Torley Linden: Hrm... it says "Landmark is missing from database." Judi. Does that landmark actually open for you?
Patchouli Woollahra: Very Antagonising Tax indeed.
Chase Marellan gave you ! sf design formal and su, Lotus (247, 206, 142).
Torley Linden: Got those, thanks Chase.
Judi Newall: Oh damn That's been happening a lot! LOL
Torley Linden: I always thought it sounded suspiciously cheerful that it'd be called "Value Added"... X_X
Patchouli Woollahra: Value Abducted more like.
Judi Newall: Actually it did for once
Lyndsey Forager: but, is it right that we now pay vat and calafornia taxes? surley the vat man knows we arnt in two places
Prospero Frobozz: George Orwell would be proud... just as he'd be proud of all the public cameras in the UK :)
Prospero Frobozz: Lyndsey : I'm pretty sure that you don't pay CA sales taxes.
Judi Newall gave you Whittlesea Commons, Caledon SteamSkyCity (203, 113, 23).
Judi Newall: George Orwell was too odd to care
Torley Linden: "Too odd to care"? Hehe.
Lyndsey Forager hardly notices cctv anymore
Patchouli Woollahra: And there's at least one other matter that popped up today. but it's too sensitive to mention in a public crowd I believe.
Torley Linden likes some dystopian movies, like Equilibrium.
Patchouli Woollahra: may I IM you about it Torley?
Torley Linden: Sure Patch. =)
Judi Newall: Yep family of a friend 'even odd as a child' :)
Rock Pond Pose ball: llStopAnimation: Script trying to stop animations but agent not found
Torley Linden: Just know that since it's my office hour I may be slow/unable to reply to IMs at times!
Gumby Roffo: did you get a chance to visit Burning life Torley?
Torley Linden: I did! Went with my wife yesterday.
DJ Jenns: Have they got all the problems ironed out over at Burning Life ?
Gumby Roffo: ahh bugger I had pulled my build by then
Torley Linden: Took her on piggyback, trekked across the landscape...
Judi Newall: Torley you once mentioned a way to move the camera view, a program by one of the other Lindens I think but I can't remember the ref?
Wolfie Waves wonders what Torley's wife is like. "Is she as bouncy as you are?" :)
Torley Linden: I didn't see more recent problems but my understanding the land is going to be reclaimed soon.
Lyndsey Forager: lol torley, sunds cool
Torley Linden: Judi, perhaps Client menu > Joystick Flycam? There are a number of ways to "move the camera".
Prospero Frobozz: Judi : Natural Selection Studies has a great video camera tutorial.
Gumby Roffo: yes it was to be handed back today
Gumby Roffo: well the 5th
Prospero Frobozz: http://naturalselectionstudios.com/?p=129
DJ Jenns: that would be an awesome feature
DJ Jenns: scriptable camera views
Torley Linden is a fan of those Natural Selection Studios vids.
Judi Newall: OK TY folks
Prospero Frobozz: scriptable camera views would be hard since the camera is done entirely client side :)
DJ Jenns: yeah but would still be nice
Yuu Nakamichi: So flycam is only implemeted in winodws right now?
Wolfie Waves: It's a shame you can't grant camera control permissions to a script that you are not sat on, such as a remote controlled car.... or my MALP hehe
Prospero Frobozz: I think that some of the open source folks (the sldev mailing list) are talking about cliend-side scripting.
Lyndsey Forager: you can still dream
DJ Jenns: totally
Torley Linden: Yuu: Flycam is in Mac too I think, it shouldn't be platform-limited.
Prospero Frobozz: One year, it would be nice to imagine being able to write client side scripts on the server :)
DJ Jenns: its getting really bad with SL lately since im working so much lmao
Yuu Nakamichi: I think there's a patch for the Mac on the JIRA
Torley Linden: Ooh what other exciting uses are there for that, Prospero?
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Prospero Frobozz: Torley : better custom dialog boxes is one obvious thing I can think of.
DJ Jenns: when it goes down for upgrades i have a screenshot on the desktop and just pretend im still logged on
Patchouli Woollahra gave you New Linden rules???.
DJ Jenns: lmfao
Elborath Gelfand: I haven't got around to viewing your inventory tips yet, so this may be covered but if not is it possible to choose where you put stuff when you take it into your inventory?
Lyndsey Forager: lol
Prospero Frobozz: I suspect artsy types could come up with all sorts of great ideas.
Conover's Flight-Helper 6.2.5.2 (WEAR ME!): Flight-helper is ready and operational.
Elborath Gelfand: like 'save as' does in Microsoft?
Yuu Nakamichi: Has anyone here tried flycam on a mac?
Lyndsey Forager: nope, i havent been on a mac since i was in school
Prospero Frobozz: Elborath : I know that sometimes you can drag things from an object's inventory into your inventory, and thus place it where you want.
Yuu Nakamichi: A friend of mine would like to use it on a mac but has problems
Yuu Nakamichi: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2516
Torley Linden: Elborath, there are some rules to that... if you have an object in a folder in inventory, rez it, and then take it, it should show up in that same folder.
Randal Kline: Torley: Has anyone reported the "Movement Controls" bug yet? View->Movement Controls. Once ticked, you can't untick from the menu bar.
Lyndsey Forager: i have enough fun getting vista to behave without trying out macs
Elborath Gelfand: yesw - that happens I know but when you initially take something it would be helpful to put it where it is going to end up
Yuu Nakamichi: what's vista?
Yuu Nakamichi: laughs out loud
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
DJ Jenns: lol
Wolfie Waves: LOL
Lyndsey Forager: vista is a bad word, booo, hissss
Torley Linden: Randal: I haven't checked the Issue Tracker re: that but it definitely reproduces for me here too!
Torley Linden: Randal, is that still a problem in the latest Release Candidate?
DJ Jenns: mmm Vista is amazing
DJ Jenns: really
DJ Jenns: I love it
Lyndsey Forager: h ehe hehe
Elborath Gelfand: saves all that opening of new window and re-arranging
Randal Kline: in every downloadable versions so far for me
Taiyaki : Hot strong coffee!!
Lyndsey Forager: if vista was a good as it is pretty, it would be wonderfull
Torley Linden: OK... yeah that should definitely be noted on the Issue Tracker then, Randal, and brought up at Benjamin's UI bug triages.
Patchouli Woollahra gave you Taiyaki Platter.
Patchouli Woollahra: ... ... I am going to kill myself for this.
Wolfie Rankin: I have an upgrade for vista, it's called XP
Torley Linden: Clear bug, that.
DJ Jenns: Im actually in two minds - if all i need windows on my pc for is gaming then i might just get a 360 and put linux fulltime on here
Torley Linden: I'm not moving to Vista yet, I still have things dependent on XP...
Judi Newall gave you Info International, Info International (123, 239, 34).
Prospero Frobozz: DJ : that's what I do :)
Prospero Frobozz: Although my xbox 360 got the red ring of death last night :(
Gumby Roffo: LOL yes SL for one
DJ Jenns: I was just waiting for the update to my favourite game next month
Good2 Go: what is it 6 months support on xp ectended to 18 months
DJ Jenns: but that looks like its going to be awful so im depressed :(
Prospero Frobozz: My friend in Michegan and I were going to start doing Halo 3 collaborative, and then the 360 went belly up.
Prospero Frobozz: DJ, what game?
Yuu Nakamichi is very much into Ubuntu with Beryl
DJ Jenns: PES 2008
DJ Jenns: (pro evolution soccer)
DJ Jenns: <<big big fan
Prospero Frobozz ran nothing but Linux on his computers for the last 10 years, until he got a MacBook Pro a couple of months ago. Still is mostly Linux.
Torley Linden: I really have been enjoying the Halo 3 ads a lot.
Yuu Nakamichi: ^.^
Lyndsey Forager: lol, pro evil
Patchouli Woollahra has been watching Paprika.
Patchouli Woollahra: which is almost SL-esque in its WTF.
Prospero Frobozz: I even convinced my wife to run Linux on her machine :)
Yuu Nakamichi: The Linux client is much faster for me.
Patchouli Woollahra: also: the electronica on it is quite quirky.
Prospero Frobozz: Yuu : depends a lot on the video drivers.
Wolfie Waves: I hope that when Havok4 is live and stable on the main grid that region prim limits and physical link set limits are increased as I know the current limits are there are mainly due to memory issure with Havok1
Yuu Nakamichi: Prospero: yes.
Prospero Frobozz: The nvidia proprietary video drivers are reallyw ell done, but I'm grouchy that they don't release programming information and that there are no open source drivers.
Patchouli Woollahra: I'm not totally sure, Wolfie.
Yuu Nakamichi: they are .)
Torley Linden: Thanks for the link to the Paprika main theme, Patch, it's crazy! Those modulated vocals, but very very catchy.
Wolfie Rankin: we're wondering, when does the Amiga version of sl come out
Torley Linden: Haha I used to be on Amigas a lot.
Patchouli Woollahra: each added prim also costs more bandwidth.
Prospero Frobozz: I'm told that the intel video drivers are faster on Windows than Linux, alas. Too bad, because that's the only place where there's good open source support.
Wolfie Waves: Yeah, as each prim is streamed
Patchouli Woollahra: each sim is rigged to pour out only so much bandwidth into the grid.
Prospero Frobozz: I was a HUGE Amiga fanatic back in the day.
Chase Marellan sold Amaigas in high school.
Prospero Frobozz: At one point, I think I had 5 of them.
Lyndsey Forager: he he, torley lindens office hour, sponsored by amiga, in association with second life
Prospero Frobozz: Sold off my last Amiga a few years ago... it was an A3000 with a 68060 accelerator and a Picasso II
Chase Marellan: hahahahah
Patchouli Woollahra used an
Patchouli Woollahra: I miss my Amigas.
Prospero Frobozz remembers thinking a 50MHz CPU was *really* fast
DJ Jenns: awww
Tammy Nowotny: hello
DJ Jenns: AMIIIIIGA
DJ Jenns: lol
Patchouli Woollahra fell in love with Lightwave 4.0 and hasn't looked back.
Phli Foxchase: Torley, I know that's a different topic but how can we go to zntr islands ?
Prospero Frobozz: Yeah, I miss the Amiga too, but I've become enough of a Linux fanatic that I don't feel the pain :)
Wolfie Waves: I heard a rumor that SL will be coming to the PS3 but I highly doubt that
DJ Jenns: Skidmarks and DeluxePaint III
Patchouli Woollahra: checkerboard spheres. we need to have more checkerboard spheres.
Prospero Frobozz: Wolfie : I'd be surprised if that happened!
Lyndsey Forager: deluxpaint, zomg
Patchouli Woollahra: Wolfie: it would be a homebrew.
Prospero Frobozz: On the other hand, if you can run Linux on the PS3, maybey.
Elborath Gelfand: excuse me
Patchouli Woollahra: SL support in PS3 would conflict with their ideas for Home.
DJ Jenns: Wolfie you probably are thinking of the PS3 application thats somewhat similar to this
Torley Linden: Phli: Sadly you can't go there, they're Linden-only.
Patchouli Woollahra: Honestly though, Sony is loony. no offence.
Phli Foxchase: :/
Torley Linden: Part of our inworld offices.
DJ Jenns: Well
DJ Jenns: I thought so too
Torley Linden: I liked much software that had the words "construction kit" in it.
Gumby Roffo: Home has been put on pause
Torley Linden: What happened to Sony Home?
Patchouli Woollahra: I have never seen a Linden throw a TV set with a running moving down a flight of stairs.
DJ Jenns: But with all the money being forked out by Microsoft on Hardware failures
Wolfie Waves: Hehe, I'd say Sony is a little more than loony :p
Lyndsey Forager: nice hair tammy, very funkilicious
DJ Jenns: Im starting to wonder
DJ Jenns: Blu-ray is picking up in popularity
Prospero Frobozz: DJ : Yeah! Red Ring of Death.... grrrr....
DJ Jenns: and price-falls are imminent
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Randal Kline: Latest news I hope - Project Outback gone belly up - http://www.sloz.info/2007/10/05/project-outback-bites-the-dust/
Patchouli Woollahra: damn shame.
Patchouli Woollahra: "Outback is NOT a watermelon"
Patchouli Woollahra: I think that killed it.
Prospero Frobozz isn't happy about either HD-DVD format because of all the DRM crap. "I resisted getting a DVD player for several years because of all the region coding nonsense, because of unskippable tracks, and because of CSS."
Torley Linden: IMHO Sony needs a cooler head, I'm a big fan of Nintendo's Reggie Fils-Aime. :)
Patchouli Woollahra: Torley: they make John McCain look like a corpse.
Patchouli Woollahra: WOAAAARGHH!
Torley Linden: HAHAAHAHA.
DJ Jenns: I think Nintendo has just shown that you cant exclude anyone from gaming anymore
Torley Linden: When I hear a scream like that I think of the "Dean Scream".
Torley Linden: I really like Nintendo's approach.
Tammy Nowotny: actually he does look like he's ha;lf dead
Torley Linden: How they come across about being accessible...
DJ Jenns: and instead of targeting the hardcore gamers - they've proved the casual gamer is much more popular
Tammy Nowotny: I may have a sample of Dean somewhgeere
Patchouli Woollahra: let's not upload it.
Prospero Frobozz: The Wii is really neat becasue it truly *is* innovative. The PS3 and Xbox360 talk about "innovative," but really they mean "faster CPU, faster graphics"
Prospero Frobozz: The Wii really did something *different*
Patchouli Woollahra: the /b/-tard griefers will do a Dean spammer.
DJ Jenns: yeah innovative in "technology"
Good2 Go: the amount of tv articles about old folks homes with wii bowling is amazing
Chase Marellan: I agree on that. I'd love to have Wii control for SL. :)
Good2 Go: but thats in tv lnad
Patchouli Woollahra has been experiencing some interesting divergent gameplay in WoW of late.
DJ Jenns: The wii was innovative in removing the one thing casual gamers and non-gamers hate
Torley Linden: I found it a bit off how the PS3's controller looks very similar to previous ones and lacked DualShock from the get-go.
Patchouli Woollahra: they just opened up a new event called "Beerfest"
DJ Jenns: difficult learning curves
DJ Jenns: christ - your dog could play the Wii
Lyndsey Forager: torey, when are you bringing ravi to meet us all, shou sound like such a nice girlie
DJ Jenns: lolol
Chase Marellan: :)
Torley Linden: All the Wii jokes about breaking your TV screen are are pretty crazy.
Lyndsey Forager: lolol, dog, wii, not in the house
Gumby Roffo: hehehe
DJ Jenns: Yeah they were Torley - but thats all sorted now
Wolfie Rankin: Take care Torley, I'll have to go
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: She sure is, I wouldn't have it any other way... she's come to some of my Office Hours before... during the day she's usually found working in the NMC regions. =) After work we hang out at various places.
Torley Linden: Have a good one Wolfie!
DJ Jenns: and - Nintendo are going to start including silicon covers for the Wii
Patchouli Woollahra is waiting for No More Heroes.
Lyndsey Forager: see ya woolfie r
Wolfie Rankin: night all
DJ Jenns: Night wolfie
Chase Marellan: 'Night, Wolfie!
Evangeline Wind: night everyone see ya :) take care
Patchouli Woollahra: formerly known as Heroes until some crazy guy pointed out that there's a serial on tv named that way.
Prospero Frobozz: I was at a party where we were playing wii, and the *batteries* flew out and hit the window at one point.
Wolfie Waves waves to Wolfie
Torley Linden: Hehe, I like Heroes on NBC.
Prospero Frobozz: The controller was held on with the wrist cord.
Torley Linden: That is frightening, Prospero!
DJ Jenns: damn
Patchouli Woollahra: Prospero: Wii is frightening.
Torley Linden: "Battery by battery!"
DJ Jenns: lolol
Lyndsey Forager: lololz
Prospero Frobozz: Heroes! Heroes rules. My wife and I are watching it on DVD... we're about 10 episodes in.
DJ Jenns: but to be fair
Prospero Frobozz: (at least) First season, so nobody say anything that spoils!
DJ Jenns: you shouldnt be swinging the controller *that* hard
Prospero Frobozz: Yeah, but in the fury of the moment....
Torley Linden: Oh gosh, too cool Prospero, I'm eager for Season 2!
Prospero Frobozz: You know, the tennis ball is coming, and you're trying to hit it!
DJ Jenns: but again - try playing Wii Tennis and see how difficult that actually is!
DJ Jenns: you start gentle
DJ Jenns: and by the end
Lyndsey Forager: W H A M
Lyndsey Forager: lololol
DJ Jenns: its a furious smash to finish your opponent
DJ Jenns: lol
Wolfie Waves: Followed by a smashed telly
Torley Linden: Brings a whole new light to "getting into the game" eh?
Gumby Roffo: what with batteries?
Patchouli Woollahra: hehe....
Lyndsey Forager: woops, there goes the plasma
Chase Marellan: At least you get some exercise. :)
Patchouli Woollahra: How old is your brain.
Torley Linden: I am really liking some of these new, thin TVs...
Patchouli Woollahra: does anyone know what a Wolpertinger is?
DJ Jenns: definatly - but its a nice bridge between imagination and gaming
Torley Linden: Brain Age looks wicked, I haven't played it yet.
Torley Linden: What the heck is a Wolpertinger?
DJ Jenns: Torley - Have you seen the new OLED tv's ?
Patchouli Woollahra: It's a cryptozoological puzzle, Torley.
Torley Linden: No, DJ, but OLED... that word brings to mine the Optimus OLED keyboards.
DJ Jenns: yes
Torley Linden: I like cryptozoology but I haven't heard of that yet — always nice to learn something new.
DJ Jenns: I'll get you the youtube link
Tammy Nowotny: this is probably agood time to buy new TVs, since the old standard is about to be killed off, maybe
Patchouli Woollahra: What it is, is a bunny.
Good2 Go: torley I d/l SLRun1CPU is it still worth runninh this?
Patchouli Woollahra: a vorpal bunny.
DJ Jenns: OLED tv's boast a contrast ratio of 1,000,000:1
Patchouli Woollahra: with antlers. and wings.
nimrod Yaffle: Guys exame the box in Moar's hand
Torley Linden: Pardon Good2? Can you please explain more?
Moar Vendetta: hi everyone
Wolfie Waves: Hehe speaking of smashed plasma screens, I have this great hign rez image of a smashed LCD screen that I put up on my dads plasma telle in the front room. When he walked in and saw it he almost fainted lol
Moar Vendetta: nimrod invited me
Good2 Go: there is a prog called SLRun1CPU
Moar Vendetta: [6:33] nimrod Yaffle: come crash this place [6:34] nimrod Yaffle: DO IT MOAR
Gumby Roffo: yes and they are bound to be cheaper than Plasma or LCD
Moar Vendetta shouts: [6:33] nimrod Yaffle: come crash this place [6:34] nimrod Yaffle: DO IT MOAR
Lyndsey Forager: he eh, that sounds cool wolfie
Good2 Go: I think I read about it on youtr site
Moar Vendetta: what is this about?
Torley Linden: OK, simmer down, simmer down. =)
DJ Jenns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ufs9Wx0VXQ
Patchouli Woollahra: SL's client is currently still best run on a single core...
nimrod Yaffle: No, actually I told you to come so you would get banned :)
Dizzy Banjo: oops ;)
Torley Linden: Moar: You're at my Linden Office Hour.
nimrod Yaffle: You just crashed the sandbox
Moar Vendetta: no
Moar Vendetta: [6:33] nimrod Yaffle: come crash this place [6:34] nimrod Yaffle: DO IT MOAR
Dizzy Banjo: hi all
Patchouli Woollahra: though technically, the SLVoice could bew put on a separate core if you have the right program to do it.
Good2 Go: allegedly sl is not opt 4 2 proc
Moar Vendetta: you asked me to attack this place?
Torley Linden: More info is here... http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden
nimrod Yaffle: lawl moar w/e, torley can read chatlogs
Good2 Go: this makes it work on 1
Torley Linden: And please, don't crash this region.
Torley Linden: =)
Torley Linden: We're having a good time here!
Lyndsey Forager: errrrrr, whats going on?
Moar Vendetta: omg
Moar Vendetta: i wouldnt anyway
Chase Marellan: Hey dizzy
Damani Roadster 0.50 - watermelon: You are not the owner...
DJ Jenns: or we'll send the lads round with baseball bats
Moar Vendetta: anyway
DJ Jenns: lol
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Prospero Frobozz: If you want to crash regions, go to the beta.
Torley Linden: Haha, that sounds like a kind of Mafia...
Moar Vendetta: Nimron shold be disiplined for asking people to attack this place
Moar Vendetta: that is all
Torley Linden: Oh good suggestion Prospero... yeah help find new crashes in Havok4.
DJ Jenns: that was the idea lolol
DJ Jenns: Now now
DJ Jenns: no point in reporting
Marianne McCann: ooh, busy today!
Yuu Nakamichi: Havok4 is eating my inventory :)
nimrod Yaffle: Haha whatever moar, I said to come here, I never said crash. you just crashed the sandbox with your one shot crash gun
Moar Vendetta: silly silly guy
DJ Jenns: the humiliation was enough :-)
Thomas Shikami: I already have a crash for Havok 4 using physics and sent to Dan
Lyndsey Forager: Hiya Mariranne
Patchouli Woollahra: Let's get Tarded!
Patchouli Woollahra: duhhhh.
Moar Vendetta: once again nimron, allow me to repeat
Moar Vendetta: [6:33] nimrod Yaffle: come crash this place [6:34] nimrod Yaffle: DO IT MOAR
Dizzy Banjo: lol patch
Marianne McCann: Hiya
DJ Jenns: Hi there Marianne
Torley Linden: Great, thanks Thomas!
Torley Linden: Heya Mari!
Multi Chair Crate v1.0.42 (TORLEY MOD) whispers: Maximum number of chairs reached, please rez another Multi Chair table.
Torley Linden: We're pretty fast-paced today.
nimrod Yaffle: [6:34] Moar Vendetta: I LOVE NIMROD
nimrod Yaffle: see?
DJ Jenns: Did you get the youtube link torley ?
Patchouli Woollahra: it's unscripted, but it has the ability to scare people silly.
Wolfie Waves: Lol, if I can't crash a Havok4 sim using all it's 15,000 prims set to physical and all uber colliding what it and only have TD drop by half without crashing then I doub physics can crash it at all :p
Patchouli Woollahra: watch.
Thomas Shikami: the odd thing is, it's the same device, that freezes a Havok 1
Patchouli Woollahra: alt-click on Torley's face.
Torley Linden: DJ: I've saved it for later unless it's urgent?
nimrod Yaffle: Wolfie, 10 hollow spheres all at the same position set to physical crashes it :(
Torley Linden: ;)
DJ Jenns: no no
DJ Jenns: just making sure you got it hehe
Torley Linden: Ah OK.
Patchouli Woollahra: nimrod: that's deepd think wreaking havok I beleave.
DJ Jenns: 26 inch tv thats 11mm thick :-)
Marianne McCann: Hi DJ
Tammy Nowotny: that's where I know his name from... I have seen him on a Ban list somewhere
Patchouli Woollahra: continues astaring at Torley's face.
Torley Linden: I like how cheap LCDs are getting.
Igel Hawks: Hi DJ
Patchouli Woollahra: at this point, most people freak out.
Torley Linden: Patch, I really like that beanie, that looks so fun.
Thomas Shikami: Hey!
Torley Linden: My eyes are vintage 2004 from HoseQueen McLean.
DJ Jenns: hI igel
Thomas Shikami: Don't share names on ban lists, please
Lyndsey Forager: velly vewlly cool p[atch
Francy Boozehound: $ciao a tutti
Amras Alder: Gotta run, just a quick hello and WB, Torley
Patchouli Woollahra: Kyro Krillian is a reformed /b/tard. most of the ones who survive these days are.
Wolfie Waves: Tasty Juice... Drink it then convert it to pee.
Igel Hawks: Ciao
Torley Linden: Thanks Amras, have a good one!
Torley Linden: =)
Torley Linden: Ew, I don't think I needed to hear that.
Francy Boozehound: ci sono italiani
Tammy Nowotny: hey I am on the Second Life Investors Bank ban list, myself
Wolfie Waves: Crap sorry, I caught a gestures trigger button >.<
Patchouli Woollahra: how about "Fish Heads", torley?
Prospero Frobozz: What is a b/tard?
Torley Linden: What kinda creature are you, Patch?
Marianne McCann giggles
Patchouli Woollahra: Fish Heads, Fish Heads Roly Poly Fish Heads.
Francy Boozehound: nessuno parla italiano???
DJ Jenns: I found it quite amusing they started distributing the grief scripts openly now
Torley Linden: "Fish Heads", is that a meme? I've heard that one before.
Patchouli Woollahra: bunch of annoyances Prospero.
Dizzy Banjo: its bound to be feline related knowing patch...
Torley Linden: Francy: I'm sorry I don't speak Italian, it's times like this I wish I did though.
Yuu Nakamichi: heh. Hi Francy :)
Thomas Shikami: ohh, who is this second life investors bank?
Patchouli Woollahra: Torley: it's a song about fish heads by Barnes and Barnes.
Torley Linden: Good to see ya too, Dizzy!
Dizzy Banjo: hi :)
DJ Jenns: I shall soon be learning a little bit of Italian torley :-)
Patchouli Woollahra: also: this is actually a bunny Tardimal
Francy Boozehound: aiutatemi
Ryder Dryke: hello ya all!
Patchouli Woollahra: also: BoozeHound?
Tammy Nowotny: it's some guy who owns ad farms and used to have a casino
Dizzy Banjo: tardimal
Dizzy Banjo: lmao
DJ Jenns: thanks to SL i've got a gig over xmas and new year Djing in the Italian Alps :-)
Patchouli Woollahra: what kind of name is that O_o
Marianne McCann: cool, DJ
Thomas Shikami: okay, nothing of value lost then
Tammy Nowotny: I made him a lowball offer for a piece of land and he freaked
Torley Linden: Oooh nice, travel, DJ.
DJ Jenns: yeah apart from the stress trying to get my first passport
DJ Jenns: takes up to 6 weeks
DJ Jenns: and i have...7 weeks until the gig
Lyndsey Forager: no pressure
DJ Jenns: not at all!
DJ Jenns: lol
Marianne McCann: I once booked one of my RL speakin' things through SL, but only within the states
Patchouli Woollahra has a conference to attend in 67 hours... joy.
Patchouli Woollahra: zomg, darter frog Tardimal!
Torley Linden: What kind of conference?
DJ Jenns: right
Torley Linden: Haha Jurin nice matching frog!
Torley Linden: What fun avatars!
Jurin Juran: : )
Patchouli Woollahra: let durrrr invasion commence... hyuk hyuk hyuk... durrr...
Torley Linden: Prospero's surrounded!
DJ Jenns: Im about to love and leave you all for a game or two - Torley - pleasure to see you back :D see you next week all
Dizzy Banjo: ok.. thats it .. im changing to monkey form
Patchouli Woollahra: Torley: something about virtual identity at Dr. Dobbs Island.
Lyndsey Forager: patch and jurin, you look so cute
Patchouli Woollahra: I'm ashamed to say this, but I'm winging blind here.
Torley Linden: Have a good one DJ, and nice to see you too!
Marianne McCann will be good and not toss on the triceratops
Tammy Nowotny: I thought that wasn't till noon
Prospero Frobozz can't keep up with the conversation....
Patchouli Woollahra: also: at least two of us love ReBoot.
Marianne McCann: Cool, Patch!
Prospero Frobozz: :)
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Marianne McCann: Alphanumeric, Patch!
Thomas Shikami: heh
Torley Linden: Those silly tongues really crack me up, Patch and Jurin.
Jurin Juran gave you Tardimal Alligator.
Torley Linden: Thanks, an alligator eh? I hope to try this on soon.
Patchouli Woollahra: yay to sculpties!
Thomas Shikami: I've seen that bunny in a Mental Mentors notice texture
Good2 Go: ok guys me scootin thanks
Patchouli Woollahra: That was me, Thomas.
Thomas Shikami: nice to meet you in world
Lyndsey Forager: The reason dj jenns is going to italy is so amazing, after being heard dj'ing in sl, he has been asked to dj, rl in italty
Torley Linden: Whoa Ryder you're glowing bright!
Jurin Juran gave you Tardimal Rabbit.
Igel Hawks: LOL
Ryder Dryke: hehe yes - i used to be a demon but i was seduced by the light side :)
Torley Linden: Oooh backstory.
Torley Linden: ZOMG particles!
Thomas Shikami: ohh, that's similar to me
Lyndsey Forager: BLIND im blind
Prospero Frobozz: OK, who went supernova?
Wolfie Waves: It burns!
Marianne McCann laughs
Dizzy Banjo: i feel like ive been nuked
Patchouli Woollahra: btw, has anyone been to World of Warcraft this week?
Prospero Frobozz hasn't been to WoW at all....
Marianne McCann: What's a World of Warcraft, Patch?
Prospero Frobozz: "But I'm tempted now that I have a Mac.... must.... resist....
Yuu Nakamichi: laughs out loud
Lyndsey Forager: me neither prospero
Wolfie Waves: I can't stand WoW
Patchouli Woollahra got a Wolpertinger there. that's where she first heard of them.
Thomas Shikami: I visited WoW once, just 15 minutes using a test account my brother registered
Patchouli Woollahra: the one I have is wierd.
Gumby Roffo: about as much fun as hipihi
Dizzy Banjo: i forced myself to uninstall WoW about 2 years ago
Thomas Shikami: You cannot build there, so it's not interesting at all
Patchouli Woollahra: only me, my teammates and drunkards can see it.
Marianne McCann gets the feeling this is not a big .WoW crowd
Patchouli Woollahra: Thomas: I put it to you, that shocking as it sounds, not everyone wants a Build tool in their menus.
Lyndsey Forager: i think any only world is only good if you have fun and have time to learn its neauances
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Torley Linden: I haven't played World of Warcraft yet myself, just heard of it...
Patchouli Woollahra: it's like EverCrack Concentrated.
Dizzy Banjo: its worth doing as a comparison
Thomas Shikami: Well, for me, it's the scripting, that is so interesting
Patchouli Woollahra: they fixed a lot of common errors and problems with MMOs.
Wolfie Waves: Ohhh, second episode of the new Stargate Atlantis season is on tonight =^.^=
Wolfie Waves: Can't wait
Ryder Dryke: i only heared of people beeing additected with WoW so i didnt touch it
Dizzy Banjo: to compare the quality of partially client side worlds
Patchouli Woollahra is waiting for the next few instalments of Afterworld.
Dizzy Banjo: vs fully streaming etc
Torley Linden: I haven't seen Stargate in awhile... I used to follow SG-1 closely.
Tammy Nowotny: MMOs? what's an MMO?
Thomas Shikami: though, scripting
Marianne McCann: Now how could anybuggy be addicted to a virtual world?
Thomas Shikami: I haven't seen any scripting tutorials yet
Torley Linden: Second Life drew me in at first because of exploration; I started building stuff later.
Lyndsey Forager: lol, marianne
Wolfie Waves: You should follow Atlantis too
Wolfie Waves: It's great
Patchouli Woollahra: "I'm Robert Schumacher. I used to sell technology to people, back when there was technology... and people to sell it to."
Marianne McCann smiles
Wolfie Waves: I love it
Wolfie Waves: Love both SG-1 and Altantis hehe
Ryder Dryke: yeah building and scripting is much fun here in this world
Patchouli Woollahra: if you can get it, you should try Afterworld as well, Wolfie.
Dizzy Banjo: EVE is an interesting comparison economically
Lyndsey Forager: like none of us have ever been on sl for nearly 24 hours or more in one sitting? me looks side to side AND blushes
Patchouli Woollahra: people backstab each other there so often, I can't go to the toilet when I'm not in a station.
Marianne McCann: Patch - you mentioned the thing about the virtual identity stuff
Patchouli Woollahra: go on.
Tammy Nowotny: yr RL self played SL before you became a LInden, Torley?
Torley Linden: Tammy, yes, I used to be Torley Torgeson...
Thomas Shikami: I've been in SL more than 24h in one session, I guess
Patchouli Woollahra: Tammy: actually, I think he picked it up partly in depression.
Marianne McCann: I'm doin an art show in Livingtree dis weekend about virtual kids
Torley Linden: I'm on a Resident alt too, after work hours.
Randal Kline: anyone has any info about survivor in sl?
Torley Linden: I haven't heard of Survivor in SL, awhile back I think there was Big Brother in SL.
Patchouli Woollahra: losing your ability to enjoy hearing is devasting to most musicians.
Tammy Nowotny: so, the other Torkey still exists?
Patchouli Woollahra: I thought BB:SL was a joke.
Thomas Shikami: yes, there you're right
Dizzy Banjo: earlier this week i thought of a good analogy re : identity in SL vs RL
Dizzy Banjo: its very similar to the film Spirited Away
Thomas Shikami: the other Torley was renamed twice, Once to the lastname Linden, then back some years later
Patchouli Woollahra: I'm a bit comfy with the dicihtomy between my real life self and my SL fursonas.
Patchouli Woollahra: Dizzy: You did.
Dizzy Banjo: you can easily forget your real identity..
Torley Linden: Thomas: Actually, Torgeson --> Linden but then I started a new account, Torley Olmstead.
Dizzy Banjo: and then it can be difficult to get back
Patchouli Woollahra: my reply went on the endge of sardonical and fell over the waterfall.
Thomas Shikami: huh?
Torley Linden: Just to clarify that. =o)
Tammy Nowotny: oh OK, I see...
Torley Linden: I wasn't renamed twice.
Thomas Shikami: but your Torley Linden you use currently is a new account
Torley Linden: No, it's not a new account. :)
Marianne McCann: Dat's a pretty goon comparison, Dizzy
Thomas Shikami: ???
Torley Linden: Check my birthdate.
Patchouli Woollahra: he's been in there a loong time, folks.
Thomas Shikami: that's doesn't match the name2key databases
Patchouli Woollahra: name2key kinda sucks.
Torley Linden: Maybe I defy the laws of UUIDs? Hahaha.
Chase Marellan: I don't forget my real identity, but sometimes I forget that RL isn't SL. :) I've been known to look at the Peace river and think, "How did they get the Linden water to look so choppy?" :)
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Patchouli Woollahra: this is the reason why renaming residents in SL is a bad idea.
Thomas Shikami: seems so
Randal Kline: italian website - http://www.isola.rai.it/simple/0,,130-1074597,00.html
Lyndsey Forager: funny though, torley is one of thesoe poeple who really dosent need a surname in sl
Dizzy Banjo: hahaha chase
Patchouli Woollahra: it tends to crack any assumption that we never change our names.
Wolfie Waves: POKE!
Wolfie Waves: Lol, stop trying to find out Torleys alt, you just want to be able to POKE! him for help and other things while he's off duty :p
Wolfie Waves: Hehe
Torley Linden: LOL Chase. I've often recently been comparing RL atmospheres to WindLight for inspiration.
Thomas Shikami: also your inventory in your tutorials reveal, that you got a new key somehow
Patchouli Woollahra: Lyndsey: ditto.
Patchouli Woollahra: I've had people ask for me by first name whom I've never met before.
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: First-name basis? ;) That's fun too.
Marianne McCann: It's true, Lyndsey. Like Prince or Madonna
Torley Linden: Thomas: I haven't paid that close attention to my key, but that's odd. =)
Ryder Dryke: oh when will we see windlight again, torley?
Thomas Shikami: le'ts check
Lyndsey Forager: lol, you are a 1 name does it all kia avatar
mumu Waechter: fuck
Torley Linden: But yeah when I am on my Resident alt, it is for pleasure purposes, altho inextricably, I end up coming across bugs and usability issues etc. I end up reporting later at work, but I take brief notes.
Marianne McCann gave you Why A Kid photgraphic exhibit.
Torley Linden: Ryder: Within a few weeks I hope, I'm doing project updates @ the link in my profile. =)
Dizzy Banjo: who wants some banana ?
Torley Linden: I really appreciate the eager-ness for WindLight, it's so inspiring.
Marianne McCann: I 'spect it's hard to be able to take the hat off a bit, cuz folks know ya so well
Torley Linden: And so great to have each and all of you here with me today here.
Bananas : That was yummy, Dizzy Banjo!
Thomas Shikami: name2key Torley Torgeson
Lyndsey Forager: i think mumu does dizzy
Name2Key: Torley Torgeson not found
Patchouli Woollahra: Everyone wants it, even the people for whom it would run mostly in software mode for.
Thomas Shikami: ohh, my fault for assumptions
Marianne McCann: Ya, want dat Windlight!
Prospero Frobozz: name2key -- is that a hud you have on?
Prospero Frobozz: name2key Prospero Frobozz
Thomas Shikami: yes
Prospero Frobozz: Doesn't work for me :)
Torley Linden: Yeah, even the fallback mode looks better than the current lighting.
Thomas Shikami: name2key Prospero Frobozz
Name2Key: Prospero Frobozz's key is b604223f-5698-4cec-937b-8f6cafe51ad7
Prospero Frobozz: I wrote a little pyramid that does that for me.
Patchouli Woollahra: let's be careful about that though.
Prospero Frobozz feels all exposed now.
Thomas Shikami: name2key Torley Olmstead
Name2Key: Torley Olmstead's key is 50e4cac6-6bbf-4923-9479-d4124e0f8b82
Patchouli Woollahra: There is unfortunately this odd tendency for people in SL to complain about improvements to the system.
Tammy Nowotny: I figured the rule against renamingis jiust to keep people from straining he sytsem by constanrttly changing it
Marianne McCann: Torley - there's been some discussion about dat on the forums. Any hance on seein some fallback shots, for comparison?
Prospero Frobozz: Patch : yeah.
Lyndsey Forager: torley, your profile pic, you look like a private eye
Torley Linden: Marianne: I've taken some on my Flickr photostream and marked them as such... I can do some more tho. =)
Patchouli Woollahra: people are whinging about Subscribe-O-Matic for instance.
Torley Linden: Hehe Lyndsey, that's what I'm going for!
Torley Linden: *makes a note to take more fallback shots*
Lyndsey Forager: cool
Marianne McCann: cool. I only saw the one comparison, but I was lookin on Snapz
Thomas Shikami: btw, my account was renamed, too
Chase Marellan: What is Subscribe-O-Matic?
Thomas Shikami: I started as Thomas Playahead
Patchouli Woollahra: it's a idea.
Torley Linden: Everything that goes to my Flickr photostream should also appear on Snapz, it's very nice and convenient.
Patchouli Woollahra: apparently someone thought getting over the 25-group limit rocked.
Marianne McCann: I'll hafta double check
Yuu Nakamichi: hm..Torley, I wonder is there a way to pipe rss into sl at the moment?
Patchouli Woollahra: so he built an external system that does everything except group roles, group land and chat.
Lyndsey Forager: i think people will always use their whole group allowance
Patchouli Woollahra: Yuu: someone attenpted to do so, but it's relatively hacky.
Dizzy Banjo: there are rss > sl things around
Dizzy Banjo: i think..
Patchouli Woollahra: it's more of a JPEG pic in a QT media on a prim.
Thomas Shikami: Yuu, there is. If you have a webserver, you can parse the rss off world and put them nicely parsed for LSL to the LSL script then
Yuu Nakamichi: I would love to be able to use rss instead of group notices
Torley Linden: Yuu: I've seen some clever things done via gateways and scripting, AM Radio made a radio that streams an RSS weather feed...
Marianne McCann: Definitely Lyndsey. If I could, I know I'd have at least 35. So many I wanna be in but have declined
Yuu Nakamichi: i'm always the group limit :/
Torley Linden: Some useful suggestions here, thanks guys!
Patchouli Woollahra: A lot of Archetcture Working Group people think so too.
Gumby Roffo: Speaking about groups , there has been alot of forum chat about group liabilities just being noticed
Tammy Nowotny: oooh did they raise the limit?
Chase Marellan: I'll be building an SL-based RSS reader soon.
Marianne McCann: AM Radio has dat really pretty field, huh?
Chase Marellan: but it will have the parsing in a web server
Patchouli Woollahra: one of the mulib ideas that's being bounced on is "RSS for group feeds"
Yuu Nakamichi: Chase: COol :))
Patchouli Woollahra: three times.
Thomas Shikami: They cannot raise it yet, as all group keys have to fit into a single UDP packet with the old historic MTU
Thomas Shikami: 576
Yuu Nakamichi: I'll be happy to test it for you :))
Igel Hawks: :-))
Chase Marellan: :)
Tammy Nowotny: there is a device called SecondView which displays RSS on a big screen, as you all know
Chase Marellan: and a HUD, I think.
Patchouli Woollahra: so this is why Subscribe-O-Matic and other similar group replacement sysrems seem to be a future necessity.
Patchouli Woollahra: we don't need everything from a group for certain purposes.
Patchouli Woollahra: group titles for instance.
Patchouli Woollahra: group chat.
Chase Marellan: I agree
Thomas Shikami: though I get over the group limit using alternative accounts
Peter Lameth: lol love the tigger av
Torley Linden: I really like AM Radio's field, yes.
Patchouli Woollahra: group chat has been badly abused.
Torley Linden: It's like living in a painting...
Patchouli Woollahra: I've hadto slam and ban severalresidents from NCi public channels of late.
Tammy Nowotny: I do that too... but my alt has trouble selling the stuff I make because things are always being set to No-Copy etc. inadvertantly
Wolfie Waves: Hey Pete :)
Patchouli Woollahra: Random Spammer: FREE <insert annoyance here> THERE WHERE DISCOUNT BLAH BLAH LOCATION SLURL
Lyndsey Forager: so, did you miss the internet while you were away torley, or did you not really notice
Marianne McCann: Ya, Torley. I saw it on Snapz an *hadda* go an talke piccies. Did a great "Wizard of Oz" shot
Thomas Shikami: I wonder what the effect of a bot, that monitors group chat and just ejects everyone who chats into the group
Patchouli Woollahra: Patchouli: GTFO of my channel.
Torley Linden: Lyndsey: It was strange, but I got along fine, my wife and I were so engaged in nature...
Torley Linden: we found a lot of other things to do. :)
Lyndsey Forager: he he, glad to hear it torley
Marianne McCann giggles
Igel Hawks: hehe
Igel Hawks smiles and nods
Johnothan Tobias: heh
Dizzy Banjo: how do you find being away from musical instruments Torley ?
Patchouli Woollahra: now if you'll excuse me, there's a Mentor session on at SL Volunteer HI.
Gumby Roffo: mm nine months to build a cot, that should be easy
Thomas Shikami: though, making a channel into a moderated help request feeature could really help
Tammy Nowotny: if no one but the bot ehars it, then has anyone been annopyed by the group chat?
Marianne McCann: Have fun, Patch!
Patchouli Woollahra: I'm sure he must have bought a banjuo with him.
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Torley Linden: BTW, WindLight has this really awesome new feature, we're calling it "Avatar Impostors". Basically, in BIG CROWDS your framerate will rapidly increase... because avatars are drawn like sprites, so they update less smoothly but it's a big performance gain.
Chase Marellan: see ya patch!
Thomas Shikami: yes, that's the idea. Residents can start a group chat, and moderators will read it and they can answer
Patchouli Woollahra: or a Didgeridoo.
Torley Linden: WindLight has a lot of performance optimizations under-the-hood.
Patchouli Woollahra: or an Oud.
Chase Marellan: very cool
Dizzy Banjo: cya patch
Yuu Nakamichi: Torley: neat!
Marianne McCann: Dat sounds interesting
Torley Linden: I just noticed how smooth it was here... I zoom out a bit so we're at a distance and my framerate jumps to 35 FPS.
Prospero Frobozz: Folks, it's been virtual. Gotta take off.
Tammy Nowotny: hpow does that work when the crowd of avis s are dancing?
Torley Linden: That should make a substantial difference at really busy and social events, I'm hoping.
Thomas Shikami: can I download windlight somewhere?
Yuu Nakamichi: See ya Prospero
Prospero Frobozz waves at everybody
Tammy Nowotny: or doing other activities involcving movement?
Phli Foxchase: Bye ^Prospero
Torley Linden: Tammy: They're still animated, albeit choppier.
Torley Linden: Have a good one Prospero!
Gumby Roffo: Later Prospero
Marianne McCann: I can haz windlight?
Chase Marellan: bye prospero
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Yuu Nakamichi: yeah, is somebody rolling a windows build for windlight at the mo?
Torley Linden: Not yet Mari, I sure wish you and everyone could... hehe... stay tuned... I'm so anxious too.
Gumby Roffo: Right I better bounce as well
Yuu Nakamichi: :)
Torley Linden: WindLight is currently internal-only at Linden Lab...
Thomas Shikami: source would be enough, too
Tammy Nowotny: in other words no worse than they wd be under the current systen, and it wd be more stable that way.
Tammy Nowotny: sounds good to me
Yuu Nakamichi: ah, I thought the source was public
Johnothan Tobias: so are most of the Lindens using it at this point?
Torley Linden: Tammy: Yes, that's right. I do notice some odd graphical fringing but I'll ask our devs to check it out.
Marianne McCann: I ain't never seen a SL feature so wanted
Gumby Roffo: Catch you next time all
Gumby Roffo: night Torley
Chase Marellan: night gumby
Marianne McCann: Bye Bye!!
Torley Linden: Johnothan: I'd say only some are using it really regularly since there are other builds like Havok4, but the WindLight Team is definitely using it a lot.
Torley Linden: Have a good one Gumby!
Torley Linden: I'm using WindLight regularly because I'm Product Manager on the Team, gotta practice what you preach, so to speak. =)
Marianne McCann nods
Torley Linden: I'd be so lame if I didn't actually use it, hahaha. :O
Johnothan Tobias: i agree heh
Yuu Nakamichi: Andrew Linden is going to have a look at the beta today?
Dizzy Banjo: it would be great to see some vids of windlight.. do you do your tutorials in it ?
Torley Linden: It's always nice to incrementally upgrade and notice improvements... well, new bugs come with that too, but that's part of the territory.
Lyndsey Forager: i knowi just cant wait, but i know it will be worth it
Marianne McCann: Well, everyone of us in Livingtree is dyin' for WL
Torley Linden: Yuu: Yeah, that's what I've heard.
Yuu Nakamichi saw the post on potentially taking the beta grid down over the weekend
Yuu Nakamichi: cause havok4 eats inventories :)
Torley Linden: Andrew was going to make a blog post but then that problem came up.
Lyndsey Forager: its down just now i think, i tried to log on earlier
Yuu Nakamichi: right.
Torley Linden: Time rolls on tho...
Yuu Nakamichi: I like the performance of havok4 :)
Marianne McCann: My inventory dun often all load (like now, which is 1k down), so I've kinda learned to live with it
Torley Linden: it's so exciting that Havok4 is actually within the grasp of Residents to try.
Torley Linden: I know it's been so mythical for so long...
Yuu Nakamichi nods
Torley Linden: and there's been so much anticipation...
Yuu Nakamichi: laughs out loud
Lyndsey Forager: windlight has become the stuff of legend
Torley Linden: there's a great book by the way, I highly recommend it, called Stumbling On Happiness, about how people temporally perceive what will (or what they think will) make them happy.
Yuu Nakamichi: ..in much shorter time period?
Yuu Nakamichi: :))
Marianne McCann: I 'spect it an Havok4 will be major. Flexi an local lighting major.
Torley Linden: Yeah, WindLight was out there for awhile too, and now it's pulled back in... gosh... I'm so excited.
Lyndsey Forager: sl does look so pretty these days
Torley Linden: A lot of what I read in Stumbling On Happiness could apply to anticipation of new Second Life stuff.
Johnothan Tobias: seems like a great deal of improvements are happening atm.. personally I am eager for them all
Yuu Nakamichi: mono?
Ryder Dryke: i was amazed by the windlight client ... but only when over water ... under water it was very strange
Lyndsey Forager: like a wee girlie at christmas
Torley Linden: Ryder, yes, some bugs with that earlier... a LOT has changed, since.
Dizzy Banjo: maybe after stabilitiy lockdown, windlight and havok becoming integrated, and the grid expansion.. we can work up audio in SL ;)
Torley Linden: Mono, I don't know about — Zero and Babbage Linden could tell you more.
Marianne McCann: Well, I can't say I was stumbling on nuttin with voice, but it dun work for me anyways, so no biggie
Torley Linden: Dizzy: Yeah, I'm hoping... we can expand into further sensory realms... rich sound...
Dizzy Banjo: they equally mythical "html on a prim" could enable that perhaps..
Dizzy Banjo: the*
Wolfie Waves: Yeah, better audio codecs would be nice :p
Lyndsey Forager: i really really like voice, its so cool at the end of dj jenns events when everyone is talking all excited about his performance
Torley Linden: I find it kind of odd even that being underwater muffles sound but it's not altogether convincing, I'm used to hearing bubbles and gurgles from popular games out there.
Yuu Nakamichi: voice on linux is imminent?
Yuu Nakamichi: (I heard)
Torley Linden: Awww Lyndsey, that's a great use for voice — I haven't heard much of using voice chat at an audio event before.
Torley Linden: Yuu: Yes, that's what I last heard, that we're still going forward with that.
Johnothan Tobias: do you guys expect voice to ever really catch on and be the "norm" of chatting in sl? I rarely see anyone using it.
Yuu Nakamichi: Can't wait :))
Lyndsey Forager: people are very good at only using voice when the performance is finished
Chase Marellan: I use it only for small meetings
Chase Marellan: never for soclializing
Torley Linden: Johnothan: Depending where you are, I see people using it often, esp. in Welcome Areas/Infohubs and many other crowds... the probability of someone using voice at certain events is higher too.
Dizzy Banjo: i have a very interesting event using voice for alternate audio purposes coming up soon, id like you all to come
Torley Linden: Oooh Dizzy, I am curious.
JayR Cela: torley / can i speak with you later please
Jurin Juran: i've seen it used as the sole means of communication for standup comedy shows
Lyndsey Forager: funny though, when i am using voice i forget to read the screen
Marianne McCann: Johnothan - I tink of it for business, for some others, but I dun tink it will ever be fully embraced
Yuu Nakamichi: Let me know, Dizzy :)
Dizzy Banjo: :) ill keep u informed
Yuu Nakamichi: I'm all eras :)
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Marianne McCann: But I tink it's fine to have for those who want it. It's a tool, you can use it or no.
Torley Linden: Voice exists as an option for additional communication. One thing I don't like about voice is, no transcript, so it's hard to catch up if you missed something at a meeting... of course, people tend to talk faster than type. What a trade-off, eh?
Johnothan Tobias: i agree Marianne.. not for a good while anyway
Marianne McCann: I dun always understand the antagonism to it. Jes dun use it if you dun wanna
Dizzy Banjo: if you want to hear about it.. or want to discuss alternate unsual uses of audio in SL.. join the "metamusic" group
Torley Linden: People always have fears about "new things", in hindsight it tends to look less dramatic...
Wolfie Waves: Though I like voice, the novelty is wearing off and if voice does become used more than typing then that isn't really that fair on those unlicky residents that happen to be deaf
Torley Linden: Kewl Dizzy, thanks for the heads-up.
Yuu Nakamichi: I think Joe said they are implementing a recording feature for, like 5 minutes recall
Marianne McCann: An ya, Torley, I'd love some "underwater" audio like dat. More atmospheric sound
Thomas Shikami: it's also difficult to report underage, when they use voice. Well you clearly hear it, but cannot be prooved
Yuu Nakamichi: so you can listen to whatever you missed stepping out for a minute
Torley Linden: I'd like to be in a cave and HEAR REVERB FOR CRYING OUT LOUD... hee hee.
Dizzy Banjo: haha
JayR Cela: no new features
Ryder Dryke: i read something about "writing in notecards per script" ... will that be possible sometimes?
Johnothan Tobias: i didnt think about that Thomas
Yuu Nakamichi: Yes :)
Marianne McCann: Heh... I'd have a lot less troubles with people tinking I'm underage IRL with it
Johnothan Tobias: good point tho
Marianne McCann laughs
JayR Cela: fix what is broken first
Chase Marellan: if we have underwater sounds, I'd like to be able to make an "inside" area where sound is the same as aboveground.
Torley Linden: Ryder: No, I don't think that will be... AFAIK that's been asked for a long time... you may want to check some old Town Hall transcripts for why we decided not to do that.
Yuu Nakamichi: At Bizarre Berry's Cave :)
Torley Linden: Lots of history behind it. =)
Torley Linden: Hehe, Bizarre Berry truely has some wacked-out stuff!
Yuu Nakamichi: Yes .)
Thomas Shikami: you don't need to write to notecards, there are alternatives
Torley Linden: I should ask and learn, what are the alternatives?
Marianne McCann: I love Berry's stuff... an the cave
Ryder Dryke: yes i would like to know too
Silent Hush: what if the there was more sound/voice options for things like reverb echo and so on?
Chase Marellan: me too
Marianne McCann: The cave was a small influence on the one in Livingtree, f'r sure
Thomas Shikami: you can use a dedicated script that is for storage only, using link messages to store and retrieve lines
Chase Marellan: but there's no persistence there
Tammy Nowotny: not much goes on underwater anyway... it seems like it might be most effective to have a whole routine for changing the audio if you are underwater or not
Thomas Shikami: and there is that nice silo.php from Zero Linden, you can use on off world storage
JayR Cela: if this platform is to survive tnen ne features should be placed on the back burner\
Tammy Nowotny: *cost effective
Chase Marellan: absolytely not, JayR.
Ryder Dryke: hm you need a webserver and so on ... this is nothing for beginner scripters
Marianne McCann: I tink yer partially right, JayR
Chase Marellan: it would become stagnant and boring and that would be the end of it. We need stability AND new features, contradictory as that sounds
Thomas Shikami: there is a service provided by http://w-hat.com too
Marianne McCann: But without innovation, the platform dies, too
Dizzy Banjo: agreed chase
Torley Linden: Silent: That would be some considerable work but I think it would be nice to make use of advanced sound as many games do.
Johnothan Tobias: JayR i agree that the bugs and current problems need to be fixed, but also agree that feature staleness is not the answer
Ryder Dryke: ah thanks for the info, i'll check that out
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Torley Linden: Cool, thanks Thomas!
JayR Cela: the platform is unstabe
Marianne McCann: You need the right balance
JayR Cela: unstable
Torley Linden: Some new features are regarded as fixes in a way because they address older problems more directly.
Thomas Shikami: if you need persistence though, you can use the name and description field of linked prims
Silent Hush: THats the thing it can only be stable on so many different types of systems
Torley Linden: Often, it's a matter of perspective.
Silent Hush: Kinda hard to acomadate every system setup
Ryder Dryke: thomas: i did - but its quite limited
JayR Cela: the platform is unique
Johnothan Tobias: like Torely said, WINDLIGHT has lots of optimizations.. so with windlight comes less lag.. like he said before.. which is definately a plus
Marianne McCann: Silent - I'm still waiting for SL to run on my Mac SE-30
Marianne McCann laughs
Chase Marellan: Thomas: if somebody examines the object, description gets truncated to 255 char.
Lyndsey Forager: i think there is always innovation with the content in sl, and that can have as big and effect on the community as upgrades
Silent Hush: ]
Johnothan Tobias: almost like a 2 in 1 deal there
Silent Hush: hehe
Dizzy Banjo: i think "fixes" could also be applied to areas of the user experience or interface which could be better though.. if more audio was available.. people would use it differently in builds.. thus making the experience of everything in SL more intuitive.. things would speak to you instead of throwing notecards at you
Torley Linden: Yes, I'll repeatedly enunciate and clarify that WindLight is NOT just "pretty", it contains a lot of code cleanup we've been wanting to do for a long time, and are now doing it.
Thomas Shikami: writing to notecards is difficult, because, assets are write once storage buckets. It's similar to a content addressive filesystem with the lack of hashes for data
Thomas Shikami: once you write an asset, it's read only
Dizzy Banjo: for instance.. the orientation experience could be completely changed and made far more friendly if no reading was involved
Marianne McCann: Torley - I always tink of WL as "fixing" the kinda plain skies
Torley Linden: Dizzy: I agree with that, and it's difficult for some people to imagine how that might be, but I like looking for alternative routes... usability is something I'm involved a lot in, too.
Yuu Nakamichi: Jonothan: good point. new features improve user experience
Ryder Dryke: yeah i read that in some wiki :(
Thomas Shikami: so, if writing to a notecard, it would mean, a new asset bucket has to be created each time you change a line using the script
Marianne McCann: Oh, dat reminds me - any chance of moon phases in WL, Torley?
Tammy Nowotny: I saw Pathfinder's recent talk at the Harvard B School... he showed the same scene with different Windlight settings... it was impressive
Torley Linden: WindLight sure does include that Mari, but it's really a blanket project for environmental/atmospheric enhancements in general.
Torley Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden/Project_updates for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
Johnothan Tobias: Torley, do you know an estimation on how many developer hours have went into windlight since the revamp of it has started?
Yuu Nakamichi: Is there a resource on the wiki with all error messages the viewer might thorw at you?
Lyndsey Forager: woah tilie, how did you get that cool star in your tag
Yuu Nakamichi: That's something I would like to have handy sometimes :))
Wolfie Waves: Is that nasty thing from the old WindLight client fixed in the new one. Where when you fly up high you can see the sky looking like a flat texture, then you pass through it and there is just nothing
Yuu Nakamichi: looking at a fancy errro messgae, and being able to tell what subsystem is repsosible
Torley Linden: Johnothan: No I don't, but I do know that WindLight work includes previous development at Windward Mark (Google for 'em) before Linden Lab acquired their fine team, and they became Lindens. :o)
Torley Linden: Wolfie: Yes, that and many, many more changes.
Wolfie Waves: Cooll
Torley Linden: There's been so many changes across WindLight builds in the last strength of months, from drastic to subtle... it makes my head spin. :o)
Tammy Nowotny: (although error messages are frequently misleading... often times they implicate an innocent bystander.)
Yuu Nakamichi: I would know what causes my problem, and perhaps do something to alleviate it, plus I would be able to report bugs better
Ryder Dryke: need to run ... see you, and have fun!
Torley Linden: Take care Ryder! =)
Ryder Dryke: *winks*
Marianne McCann smiles
Marianne McCann: Great, Torley. I look forward to having proper moon faces
Thomas Shikami: the problem with me, I don't hit any bugs
Torley Linden: Hehe I would like that too.
Wolfie Waves: So what happens now? If you fly high enough can you get into space? even then it's noon it become dark with stars and the sub looks like, well, the sun from space? That would be sweet for space stations
Thomas Shikami: Once, the system and I come to understand each other, it runs smooth
Thomas Shikami: and even if there are bugs, they hide
Yuu Nakamichi: Some of the error messages are just too cryptic :))
Tammy Nowotny: I thought the full moon wasa joke... an allusion to the movie "The Truman Shopw" where the moon is always full
Torley Linden: Wolfie: If you fly high enough the skydome will still wrap around you, you won't go up into black space... eventually we DO want to do more astral bodies in a future phase.
Thomas Shikami: you can be envy, because I don't hit any bugs then
Lyndsey Forager: well, im sorry to have to go, but i must go back to work
Yuu Nakamichi: or you see them only once, under special circumstances :))
Thomas Shikami: running on a flawless system
Lyndsey Forager: nice seeing you all
JayR Cela: byeee all you folks
Marianne McCann: Dat'd be cool, Torley. Maybe a linden "star map" even
Torley Linden: Yeah, or even something ambitious... like letting Resident-run regions have their own starfield and # of suns etc.
Torley Linden: I've always liked the fact that Tattooine has two suns!
Dizzy Banjo: lol
Tammy Nowotny: or instead of private islands, we cd have private planets
Johnothan Tobias: ooh that would be sweet
Torley Linden: Tammy: Haha, I like The Truman Show LOTS.
Torley Linden is a big Jim Carrey and Philip Glass fan.
Yuu Nakamichi: hehe
Dizzy Banjo hears the luke theme...
Marianne McCann: Awesome!
Marianne McCann: Now *dat* wouldbe wicked
Tammy Nowotny: :D
Chase Marellan: agreed
Thomas Shikami: ^^
Thomas Shikami: Jim Carrey
Yuu Nakamichi: you're the lead on windlight :)
Wolfie Waves: Don't forget, those planets would have to have Stargates on them :p
Torley Linden: Haha "Luke Theme", I used to play that on piano. I have a remix of Star wars called "Techno Jedi Master". =)
Dizzy Banjo: hahah
Torley Linden: Haha yes, Stargates, for long-range stellar travel.
Marianne McCann: I know dat when Windlight was out, it was one of my more creative periods, photo shooting wise
Chase Marellan: I'd love to hear that, Torley
Torley Linden: :D :D
Marianne McCann: Knowing dat there's gonna be more options jes makes it exciting to me
Torley Linden: More creativity is on the way...
Torley Linden: MO' EXCITEMENT!!!!
Marianne McCann: So many more possibilities
Wolfie Waves: POKE!
Wolfie Waves: Torley, I have to go for a while now, but before I go, I'll POKE! you to poke your other Linden friends to hurry up with llTeleportAgent() hehe :p
Torley Linden: I'd like to thank each and all of you for coming to my office hour. My apologies, I've got to get to other work, lots of vacation catchup to do... thanks for visiting and chatting with me! Always a great array of topics. :o)
Johnothan Tobias: the other optimizations that will come with it excite me.. i mean it's beautiful, but seems like it will be so much more than just that
Phli Foxchase: Take care Torley
Marianne McCann: Have a good one!
Chase Marellan: Thanks, Torley, always a pleasure.
Torley Linden: I gotta go too Wolfie, have a good one! And yeah, that was promised back in 1.8 but hasn't been done yet, I know Jonathan Linden did some work on it, you may wanna IM him to send your encouragement.
Marianne McCann: I gots to run along too
Dizzy Banjo: thanks Torley and eveyone :)
Wolfie Waves: Hehe, I will do
Phli Foxchase: and don't forget the windlight project upadets ;-)
Torley Linden: Take care all... Phli, Mari, Chase, everyone! (Sorry I can't get friendships on this acct. but send them to Torley Olmstead, my Resident alt... ;) )
Wolfie Waves: Buy guys ^.^
Tammy Nowotny: cya Torley. n ice meeting you in person
Johnothan Tobias: Thanks for your time Torley
Chase Marellan: Bye Marieanne, Dizzy
Wolfie Waves tailwaves
Torley Linden: I'll keep updating, promise!
Chase Marellan: Everyone!
Wolfie Waves: Mice seeing you all again
Wolfie Waves: Nice^
Torley Linden: Ta!

2 PM

Torley Linden shouts: HELLO!
Al Sonic: Ya hadn't loaded on me yet.
McPhenius Swain: incoming :)
McPhenius Swain: Hi T
Dimitrio Lewis: hey Torley :)
Torley Linden: All rezzing in now!
Al Sonic: Welcome back!
Torley Linden: Wheeee!
Squirrel Wood: Hello Torley ^^
Yashoo91 Bade: Hey Torley!
Lilbit Bonetto shouts: hi
Torley Linden: Hey hey everyone... Al, McPhenius, Dimi, Squirrel, Yashoo91, Lilbit, all... :D
Torley Linden waits for seats to show up so I can sit and stuff. =D
Squirrel Wood: Magnificent video you posted today ^^
JetZep Zabelin: hi =)
Yashoo91 Bade: How are you today Torley?
Torley Linden: Why thanks so much!
Chaley May: hi Torley
Torley Linden: I had fun with that video... I do with all of them... I like continuing to make 'em!
Torley Linden: Doing fab, how about yourself Yashoo91?
Torley Linden: Hey JetZep, Chaley!
McPhenius Swain: Yep, great tutorials :)
McPhenius Swain: and the enthusiasm is a plus behind them
Torley Linden: Any suggestions for future ones? :D
Yashoo91 Bade: I'm doing great. Thanks! Had a fun time talking to you on Email =]
Torley Linden: Hehe yeah I really get energized making them.
Torley Linden: =^_^=
Lily Francis: Hey Torley =)
Squirrel Wood: Did you do a video on making videos yet?
Torley Linden: I've been catching up on work, today's performance review day at Linden Lab!
Torley Linden: There's also a scavenger hunt going on, I'm just one clue off...
Dimitrio Lewis: oh oh oh!... do a video on how to become a millionaire using second life :)
Torley Linden: No Squirrel, not yet, but I did write down steps on my wiki FAQ...
Torley Linden: Hahah Dimi, that's bound to cause tears for some...
Torley Linden: ;)
Squirrel Wood: ^^
Yashoo91 Bade: Hehe I agree Torley!
Yashoo91 Bade: The key to getting rich on sl is to become amazing. And all you have to do is build!
Torley Linden dances in his seat.
Torley Linden: Hahaha. "BECOME AMAZING".
Yashoo91 Bade: If you have an Imagination.
Torley Linden: There are lots of opportunities out there...
Yashoo91 Bade: Then your fine in sl.
Torley Linden: for example, a lot of documentation could use work, there's L$ to be made in proofreading and writing guides.
Yashoo91 Bade: Honestly yashoo don't need money in sl ^^
Torley Linden: That's how I made early L$.
Yashoo91 Bade: Hm...
Yashoo91 Bade: Good suggestion!
Torley Linden: There's always, always going to be a shortage of educational materials.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: hi everyone
Torley Linden: Heya Handmadeandroid, neat name.
Yashoo91 Bade: Yeah.
McPhenius Swain: Hi HMA
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: thanks
Yashoo91 Bade: I might start teaching the newbies of sl
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: :)
Kitto Flora: How about foreign language manual translation?
Yashoo91 Bade: I'm a good teacher so said by a few Ive trained
Torley Linden: Part of why I got into video tutorials was because I kept getting asked the same questions over and over and wanted to do something more colorful than just writing notecards, and show an "over-the-shoulder" view of how I see SL.
Al Sonic: Hi HandyAndy!
Al Sonic: ;D
Torley Linden: Yes, I think there's a lot of richness in internationalzation, Kitto.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: they are very good
Torley Linden: Look for where there's demand... connect people with their cravings. =)
Yashoo91 Bade: =]
Torley Linden: It's great to be here with all of ya today... !
Yashoo91 Bade: Same here Torley
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: yay
Yashoo91 Bade: I'm loving the Av you have today!
Torley Linden: Why thanks, I'm kind of a detective, this look was very much inspired by Harrison Ford.
Yashoo91 Bade: Loving the tie to
Torley Linden: ;)
Torley Linden: Yeah, incidentally the tie, I didn't expect it to be in watermelon-ish colors.
Yashoo91 Bade: Hehe.
Torley Linden: But I bought the suit and saw it, and I was like, "OMG THAT'S SO FOR ME!"
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: you need to be chased out a cave by a giant watermelon
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: like raiders..
Yashoo91 Bade: It looks good in the watermelon colors you so love so much =]
Torley Linden: HAHAHAAHH.
Torley Linden: "IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!"
Torley Linden: That's such a funny idea.
Yashoo91 Bade: Yeah Torleuy
Yashoo91 Bade: You should have your own watermelon museum
Squirrel's Fortune Cookie: Here's some wisdom for you:
Squirrel's Fortune Cookie: The best laid schemes o'mice and men gang aft a-gley.
Yashoo91 Bade: So when you become old you can look back and say "I love my watermelon fantacy" =]
Amethyst Summers: hallo Torley
Torley Linden: I think I have enough gifts that people gave me to merit that.
Torley Linden: Hahahaha.
Yashoo91 Bade: And gosh I can type today
Torley Linden: I already love my watermelon fantasy!
McPhenius Swain: lol
Torley Linden: It was an obsession that came to life, Second Life!
Yashoo91 Bade: That's great Torley!
Torley Linden: In doing so, I can concentrate better on other things!
Dimitrio Lewis: like building a hat collection? :)
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: im a honey dew man myself
Torley Linden: I like hats too.
Yashoo91 Bade: Melon snow. Ha! I love that song!
Torley Linden: Nice ride, At0m0. :)
At0m0 Beerbaum: yowch, lag
At0m0 Beerbaum: thanks
Torley Linden: I had a lot of fun with Melon snow.
Torley Linden: What fun to sing.
Yashoo91 Bade: I was laughing so hard cause it was amazing
Yashoo91 Bade: And so planned out.
Torley Linden: Hahaha part of my motions were spontaneous and improvised...
Yashoo91 Bade: Hehe.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: im either in lag or everyones torley-struck
Yashoo91 Bade: So how your wife in rl Torley? Does she think your amazing aswell as we do?
McPhenius Swain: very interesting question....
Yashoo91 Bade: Yes ^^
McPhenius Swain wonders "if" any LL employees are married in RL
Torley Linden: She sure does, otherwise we wouldn't be together I think. =o)
McPhenius Swain: both with LL I mean
Torley Linden: She's really supportive.
Yashoo91 Bade: Hehe. Well
Yashoo91 Bade: I do have a story behind sl for me
Torley Linden: And yes McPhenius but I shant discuss their personal lives unless they choose to share that.
Yashoo91 Bade: I told Torley
McPhenius Swain: right, wasn't asking (just a thought)
Torley Linden: No worries!
Torley Linden: I appreciate well-placed curiosity.
Torley Linden: Love makes the world go round, so they say.
Yashoo91 Bade: Teehee.
At0m0 Beerbaum: hey can I make a suggestion or is it better to use jira?
Yashoo91 Bade: IT does!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: did you used to dj torley?
Yashoo91 Bade: It really does =]
Torley Linden: At0m0: What kind of suggestion?
Torley Linden: I did to some extent, I did more live performance on synths.
At0m0 Beerbaum: I had an idea for the moon
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: nice
At0m0 Beerbaum: have realtime phases according to an internal almanac
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: ive been into electronic music for years
Al Sonic: JIRA's always a handy place to set out explanations and gather support.
Torley Linden: Generally speaking, best to put feature suggestions on JIRA so they don't get lost... WindLight Team is planning for more advanced astral bodies but JIRA also helps because other Residents can weigh in and support your idea too.
Torley Linden: Like Al said.
Torley Linden: Right on, Handmadeandroid!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: richie hawtin is my fave dj
Torley Linden: OH REALLY!?!?!?!
Torley Linden: I like some of his works VERY VERY MUCH!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: yeah
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i saw him last year
Torley Linden: "The Tunnel" and his remix of Yello's "Oh Yeah" RULE.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: we have the best sound system (so they say) in the county at the moment in my city
Torley Linden: I must've watched that "The Tunnel" video like dozens of times.
Torley Linden: Ooooh nice.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: his new stuff is pretty cool
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i like the stuff he did with aquaviva, from within
Kitto Flora: The moon and sun are locked at 180 degrees from each other, so there are never 'phases'. Also no eclipses - so SL must be transparent.
McPhenius Swain: I DJ'd back in the mid-80s at a skating rink when mixing was just starting
At0m0 Beerbaum: So torley, are you an other lindens pumped about the new havok4 engine?
Al Sonic: Hahah, funny observation.
Creepie Flores: oi hi
Torley Linden: I'm definitely excited that Havok4 is coming to fruition at last.
At0m0 Beerbaum: yeah
Torley Linden: I know some of how hard Andrew and others have worked on it...
Simon Kline likes the new engine
At0m0 Beerbaum: it should curb sim crashing a lot
Torley Linden: and that it's available for you to play with TODAY, that means, no more "vaporware". ;)
Amethyst Summers: how will havok4 make SL better Torley?
At0m0 Beerbaum: a friend of mine did a stress test on one of the beta sims
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: you should check his new website, i really like the direction the sounds taking, very minimal, but funky,
McPhenius Swain: Chadrick said in his office earlier today that G-Team was unable to crash one of the sims
McPhenius Swain: during a test
At0m0 Beerbaum: and the sim didnt even wince
Torley Linden: Oh I will, Handmadeandroid.
Al Sonic: It could even curb opinions that LindenLab is failing to get anything done around there...
Torley Linden: Yeah, they let loose with their griefer tools. ;)
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: mnus
McPhenius Swain: That is welcomed news
Kitto Flora was trying stuff on Havok4 earlier
Torley Linden: What's always important to remember is that the same things Residents hate are the same things Lindens hate... it's bad for all of us, sim crashing.
Torley Linden: I can't think of anyone who likes crashes or lag.
McPhenius Swain: yep and even though some residents complain, little do they know what goes on behind the scenes to make it a better place
At0m0 Beerbaum: yeah I can imagine, having to stop what you're doing, and go over and fix the sim
Torley Linden: Yeah, so I feel strongly about sharing more about behind-the-scenes stuff.
Al Sonic: Heh... 'cept for organized griefing groups...
Torley Linden: It costs people's emotions and money.
McPhenius Swain: wow, almost sounding like RL there :)
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i think sl is a fantastic concept
Torley Linden: Lotta time wasted of course whenever there are problems.
At0m0 Beerbaum: and since most griefers are kinda dumb and use physics to crash sims, havok 4 is going to be a bane to their existence
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i always ask griefers why they are doing it, then the slag off sl, but i point out to them without it, the minor bit of attention they manage to get for themselves would not exist, kinda chicken and egg
At0m0 Beerbaum: and since the sims wont crash under heavy load, it'll allow the sim owners or parcel owners to delete the objects and lindens wont have to fix the mess as much
Torley Linden: Yeah, there's some cyclical-ness... and sometimes downright psychological wrongness.
McPhenius Swain: yes and most just love the attention
Torley Linden: That is just how it goes.
Torley Linden: Yup, attention whoring!
McPhenius Swain: best to ignore
Dimitrio Lewis: Griefing was getting pretty bad a couple of weeks ago, but it looks like it's on the decline.
Al Sonic: Yea I'll second that, McPhenius.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: they all say the same thing as if its a persona they adopt
McPhenius Swain: 9/11 was horrible in SL
Torley Linden: Yeah, I remember there being a big spate of those ugly sound cubes in recent weeks...
McPhenius Swain: lately, I have seen ones now that shout out remarks mimicking other AVs names in constant spam
Kitto Flora: Theres always been some on the net who get a kick out of 'beating the system'. The winners are those who maye their system unbeatable.
At0m0 Beerbaum: yeah I got hit by that
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: im suprised there isnt a linden police force, like people who just go round cleaning that stuff up quickly
Torley Linden: Sad but true!
McPhenius Swain: There is Hand.. Governance works on that
Kitto Flora: Handmade: There used to be...
Squirrel Wood: humm... why not make it so that if there is 10+ sound sources within 10m of each other just don't play the sounds?
Chaley May: Why dont LL use all the millions of people who would work for free and can easily deal with griefers?
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i have a photo of some, and it was inciting racial hatred
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
At0m0 Beerbaum: though funny enough, a griefer attacked the sim I was in yesterday, except he apologized when I told him he failed and cleaned up his stuff and left, that was the oddest thing to date.
JetZep Zabelin: they send blue popups spammed so u cant even copy & paste their name into search or even type it
Torley Linden: There are some parallels between RL law enforcement and how Linden Lab Governance does things, but there are a lot of things that aren't and can't be similar...
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Torley Linden: Chaley: Because that's very much prone to corruption.
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
McPhenius Swain: Chaley, the abuse of power would go to alot of people
Torley Linden: This, of course, is a classic topic that's come up 100s of times.
Torley Linden: It's always "Why doesn't Linden Lab..."
Torley Linden: followed by the usual flowchart. =)
Squirrel Wood: Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion! <= defective AO
McPhenius Swain: Also, AOL tried that with volunteers, doing employees jobs
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i meant the term police loosley, maybe caretakers would have been apropriate
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
McPhenius Swain: and a judge ordered alot of restitution
Torley Linden: But of course if you're new, it's understandable if you're not familiar with that pattern of conversation.
Chaley May: People would still earn their right to kick people.. and those kicked can appeal if its corrupt
Torley Linden: We can't give special powers to any Residents over others because that is clearly unfair. We can give people better tools to deal with their land and griefers, however.
At0m0 Beerbaum: yeah
Torley Linden: Appealing would eat up a lot of resources.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: true
Torley Linden: We had sort of a similar system experiment LONG ago, and alas, it didn't scale.
McPhenius Swain: and time
Torley Linden: Always think of the resources that are needed, that is what's needed for actionable and practical results.
McPhenius Swain: It is funny appeals came up, I was just chatting with a friend in governance about that 5 minutes ago
Chaley May: more resources than having the Lindens deal with the griefing themselves?
At0m0 Beerbaum: that's why I find things like banlink a bad, because it empowers certain residents over others, that they can control you
Torley Linden: It's of course easy to say something but when you look at the actual process, considerably more difficult.
McPhenius Swain: time, money, manpower...
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: yes
At0m0 Beerbaum: isnt that why spying is also against the ToS?
Al Sonic looks back and wonders if he seriously bent the direction of conversation.
Torley Linden: That's why I personally don't talk about it so much anymore because I've had the same discussion over and over and it's become redundant... some of my older views on this are in the forum archives. :)
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: no worries lol
Chaley May: if griefers become wiped out instantly by letting citizens do it there would be little to worry about
Torley Linden: Eventually people are going to have the power to run their own grids... and then they can do as they please, pretty much.
McPhenius Swain: a new video... "top 10 questions asked over and over" :)
Torley Linden: Haha McPhenius, well I enjoy putting together FAQs and stuff... for that very purpose.
Chaley May: We can evade VAT?
McPhenius Swain: and they are great!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: lol
Kitto Flora: Yes
Kitto Flora: Move to USA
Torley Linden: And certainly no offense to those who bring up such topics, but it's good to be acquainted with history and what's already come before.
Torley Linden: =^_^=
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: <O_o>
McPhenius Swain: alas, read the KB, Wiki, etc
Chaley May: I cant move to USA
Torley Linden: By understanding history better we can avoid making the same mistakes in the future.
Disa Paine: griefers are also citizens, what if they get jobs as "police" to do their griefing
Torley Linden: I'm not a lawyer or tax-person so I can't give further advice there, alas.
Disa Paine: leave it to lindens
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: apoopgises for having a dumb idea*
At0m0 Beerbaum: okay guys, here's the thing, the best way to curb griefing is to ignore it
Harold Merryman: Hi there, isn't that Lily Francis?
Al Sonic: Hm, I wonder if you can evade it by switching the owner to an American... though that just keeps sounding more legally awkward...
At0m0 Beerbaum: and not react to them, they thrive one that
Chaley May: Disa they would quickly be seen as griefers by being reported too
At0m0 Beerbaum: on that*
McPhenius Swain: right on At0m0
Torley Linden: It's not necessarily a dumb idea Handmadeandroid, but some ideas just aren't feasible to be carried out when thought about and followed up on. =)
Torley Linden: Don't give attention to attention whores!
At0m0 Beerbaum: you can take out all the measures to stop them, but in the end you end up screwing over everyone else, get a lot of false positives, and the problem is still present
Torley Linden: :p
Chaley May: I find most griefers dont want attention anymore
JetZep Zabelin: thats what actually works
Chaley May: they look at you.. do their thing and disappear
Torley Linden: Yeah, it doesn't make sense to punish many people who do good stuff... you know how it is in some paranoid countries, unfortunately.
Chaley May: not like they stay laughing in you face
At0m0 Beerbaum: remember what your parents said about bullies.
Kitto Flora: Al: If you have an agent in USA that you trust to handle your money and goods, that may help you avoid VAT
Torley Linden: Chaley: They're likely on group IM laughing about it between themselves.
Chaley May: Then still we arent the ones giving them attention
At0m0 Beerbaum: it does happen in SL though with certain groups who deem themselves as security forces though, and half the time they go after people for personal reasons.
Dimitrio Lewis: the ISPs should bear some responsibility for their users, if it's possible to determine the ISP
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: :|
Chaley May: we can ignore and they will do it
At0m0 Beerbaum: or they laugh about it outside of SL
Torley Linden: Yup At0m0, whether it's SL or RL or whatever, there are people who find it difficult to avoid conflict, even in reasonably calm situations.
Torley Linden: Especially when emotions are heated...
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: they make the conflict too, as they thrive on that energy
Disa Paine: I find ban lines and no build more of a nuisance than griefers. come across it more often
Chaley May: Give Griefers a griefer grid they can try proove they are ok people there
Kitto Flora: ban line, no build, no script entry - a BIG complication for SL.
Kitto Flora: Torley done crashed?
At0m0 Beerbaum: let them loose on the beta grid, tons of testing potential there, see how they crash the sims, and fix any exploits
Torley Linden: Apologies, I crashed.
Torley Linden: I am back. :)
Dimitrio Lewis: wb!
McPhenius Swain: wb
Torley Linden: What'd I miss?
JetZep Zabelin: wb Torley
McPhenius Swain: Torley for President
At0m0 Beerbaum: not much
McPhenius Swain: we voted, you won
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: we managed to change the subject to melons
McPhenius Swain: acceptance speech?
Torley Linden: Oh really!
At0m0 Beerbaum: I just said we should bring back the cornfields
Rockin Randall: hi all
Torley Linden: *blush*
At0m0 Beerbaum: :P
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: yes
Torley Linden: Uh... WORLD PEACE!
Al Sonic: XD
McPhenius Swain: and no grief!
JetZep Zabelin: hehe
Torley Linden: That cornfield was an interesting experiment...
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: a united melon drop
Torley Linden: I remember rummaging around...
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: with wee parachutes on them
Torley Linden: I like watermelons because they are tasty, nutritious, well-colored, and can feed many.
Kitto Flora: The griefers have been on the Beta-Havak4 grid, and crashed sims, and made many unusable.
At0m0 Beerbaum: and on the beta grid if people are crashing sims, have them crash all the sims they want in the beta grid, will make useful debugging data
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: they were exspensive when i visited america
McPhenius Swain: and spitting seeds are fun
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: 8$
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Kitto Flora gets hiccups from watermelon
Rockin Randall: no voice here?
JetZep Zabelin: u can wipe your face with em as u eat too
Torley Linden: No voice here, sorry.
Rockin Randall: why not?
At0m0 Beerbaum: well I say crashing the beta grid is a good thing. it helps in the debugging process, because developers will have to see how it was taken down, and how to prevent it.
Chaley May: i hate voice
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: me too
JetZep Zabelin: voice is good when working with other builders
Dimitrio Lewis: there's a new season of watermelons in the supermarkets here, and they're like three times the size of the last batch, for the same price :)
JetZep Zabelin: too hard to type all the time
Rockin Randall: I am missing fingers.... so typing is hard. voice works for me
At0m0 Beerbaum: better than exploiting the technology oncei t hits the main live grid
Chaley May: Voice is good when you can talk
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: maybe its the fallout
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: martian melons
Torley Linden: Aw sorry to hear that Rockin. My office hours up to this point have been text, but I'm open to experimenting with voice in the future.
Torley Linden: I like to talk a lot.
Disa Paine: voice brings RL into SL, not good, ruins the illusions
Kitto Flora: I like voice. So far I have had *one* useful conversation in SL
Rockin Randall: office hourse?
At0m0 Beerbaum: ow ow ow
At0m0 Beerbaum is sore
Torley Linden: People of course have different takes on it...
At0m0 Beerbaum: fixed my car irl yesterday, and I used muscles I havent used in a while
Torley Linden: More info via http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Torley_Linden , Rockin. :D
Rockin Randall: what are your offices hour for?
Torley Linden: See that page please!
Torley Linden: Explains it in detail.
Torley Linden: We're certainly a colorful gathering of characters here.
Disa Paine: :)
At0m0 Beerbaum: I know one glitch in the beta grid that will crash a sim is rezzing a vehicle.
Torley Linden: I like to hang out and chat when I can, basically.
Kitto Flora: ...eclectic discussion and fun...
At0m0 Beerbaum: but that may have been fixed
Torley Linden: Hmmm I wonder if that's already a known bug on the Issue Tracker, At0m0?
At0m0 Beerbaum: probably
Torley Linden: I haven't looked all that closely at Havok4 bugs, but I've made a note to talk to Sidewinder (Program Manager) and ask him about better ways to classify issues...
At0m0 Beerbaum: it might have been an issue with collision detection
Daedalus Young: hello!
McPhenius Swain: Hey Dae
Rockin Randall: thanks torley
Kitto Flora: How you do that At0m0? I rezzed many vehicles. No crashes.
At0m0 Beerbaum: it was a red car
At0m0 Beerbaum: maybe it was a 1 time thing
Disa Paine: do you know if havok4 will roll out to the combat sims first? it will be well stressed on Rausche
At0m0 Beerbaum: when it getst o a stable point, enable it on "crash me"
At0m0 Beerbaum: of course that's dan linden's territory there
Torley Linden: Hmmm... well, we're planning to do a gradual launch of Havok4... and watch for stability...
At0m0 Beerbaum: so his call
At0m0 Beerbaum: like you did with voice
At0m0 Beerbaum: I also like the 1024 sky limit
Torley Linden: I suggested that we let some Estate Owners opt-in, if they wish to test it at their own consent.
Torley Linden: But that isn't necessarily going to be the way it happens. We'll see.
Simon Kline: geeat idea
Kitto Flora: One preset problem with mixing H1 and H4 sims is that scripts die on crossing the border
At0m0 Beerbaum: *unrelated* yay, bungie is breaking away from microsoft, linux ports again!
Simon Kline: it's much nicer to deal with phyical objects now, when you rez one that intersects another it doesn't fall through like it used to
Torley Linden: Yeah, we were also thinking of ways to message when different simulator versions are in use... and someone region-crosses.
Torley Linden: Really At0m0?
Torley Linden: I remember when Bungie was a Mac-only company.
At0m0 Beerbaum: also, how's the voice on linux progress coming along
At0m0 Beerbaum: yah
At0m0 Beerbaum: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=84829
Torley Linden: Hehe Simon, yeah, and then future generations will never know how broken some of this stuff was.
Torley Linden: I'm not sure of details of voice on Linux (there may be more info on Issue Tracker) but last I heard, we still want to do it.
Simon Kline: so true!!
Torley Linden: Tofu Linden (Linux guru) would know more.
At0m0 Beerbaum: is vivox the only solution for voice?
Torley Linden: For inworld voice currently, yes... some people still use TeamSpeak or Skype outside, tho.
Torley Linden: Inworld = spatialized, 3D voice chat.
Simon Kline: the new brower version is nice too.. 1.18.3.5 ... i love the new add to groups on the pie menu
Torley Linden: Ah yes, I remember hearing when that got added...
Torley Linden: all these bits and pieces.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: 1's and zeros
At0m0 Beerbaum: I have yet to upgrade to that
Torley Linden: I have multiple viewers, I have like 10 viewer shortcuts on my desktop.
Simon Kline: so much niceer to right click the person you want to invite... more.. Group Invite
Torley Linden: All sorts of different flavors.
At0m0 Beerbaum: torley, I was looking at this, though if linux users used it, it would separate them from everyone else
At0m0 Beerbaum: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/
Simon Kline: oh nice torley!
Multi Gadget v1.52.0 by Timeless Prototype
Torley Linden: *looks*
Simon Kline: what's the yummiest browser?
Torley Linden: "Mumble", that word reminds me of the Happy Feet character. I love that movie.
At0m0 Beerbaum: yeah lol
McPhenius Swain: Little one is hollaring upstairs, I have to run... take care everyone :)
Daedalus Young: bye
Torley Linden: Have a good one McPhenius!
At0m0 Beerbaum: One suggestion I have for the future though is LL should look into opensource technologies so they can make smoother ports between platforms
Torley Linden: We have an Open Source Team intent on things like that...
At0m0 Beerbaum: yeah
Torley Linden: for some of our libraries already, I believe we've been transitioning towards non-proprietary, OS tech.
Torley Linden: I like cross-platform friendliness too.
At0m0 Beerbaum: but from what I understand the main issue with vivox is that they dont want to support linux at all
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i was reading an article about how the server technology is being boosted for this kind of platform
At0m0 Beerbaum: (yet they probably use it for their server software ;P)
Squirrel Wood: not supporting linux is a bad oversight
At0m0 Beerbaum: the most horrid aspect of technology has been platform lock-in, maing interoperability on the application level horrible
Torley Linden: I find it really cool how Linux has continued to grow... such a positively disruptive force in some ways.
At0m0 Beerbaum: yeah
Torley Linden: So many distros and varieties too, amazing.
At0m0 Beerbaum: it's allowed a testbed for many applications that now rival proprietary ones
At0m0 Beerbaum: which forced microsoft to actually fix internet explorer
Kitto Flora: They fixed it?
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: lol
Torley Linden: Hehe, I'm a big fan of Firefox.
At0m0 Beerbaum: well 7 is better than 6
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: me too
At0m0 Beerbaum: but I still use firefox
Torley Linden: That's a good sort of positive competitive pressure.
Daedalus Young: I'm using Opera for several years now
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: they had tabbed browsing long before IE
Torley Linden: Sometimes companies aren't motivated to do anything unless they have a threat, which is kinda sad... I like companies that keep innovating, even if not prodded.
Daedalus Young: before FF had their tabs and mouse gestures :)
Dimitrio Lewis: competition is a powerful motivator
At0m0 Beerbaum: if microsoft didnt have linux around, we'd probably be stuck on internet explorer 6 and netscape...
Torley Linden: I use Opera at times.
Squirrel Wood: get IETab for firefox and you'll never look back at IE
At0m0 Beerbaum: er
Torley Linden: I like vertical tabs in Firefox a lot.
At0m0 Beerbaum: yeah I know there's a flaw in that statement, fill in the gaps
At0m0 Beerbaum: :P
Torley Linden: I'm fairly light on extensions.
Torley Linden: I remember using Netscape Navigator! Or Mosaic, even.
Daedalus Young: I'm on a Mac, so unless I want to use an old, buggy, vulnerable browser, I won't use IE at all
Torley Linden: I even tried the text browser, Lynx.
Dimitrio Lewis: my biggest motivation has been when scripts get stolen (not in SL), and I'm forced to write a much better version than the old one
At0m0 Beerbaum: one thing that should be fixed in the future with the SL viewer is the ram it needs, my system when it had 1 gb of ram cried when it ran SL
Squirrel Wood: ietab is a handy add-in as it allows you to switch browser engines for each tab in firefox so you can switch to the IE render engine if a website demands it
Torley Linden: Where else do scripts get stolen, Dimi?
At0m0 Beerbaum: on 2 gb I can at least run other apps
Dimitrio Lewis: it happened on IRC a couple times.. trusted the wrong people :p
Torley Linden: At0m0: No doubt, SL is a RAM hog... you can also reduce graphics card memory in Preferences tho, and that should reduce total RAM usage.
Dimitrio Lewis: but I was like 17
Torley Linden: 2 GB wasn't cutting it for me, I was trying to run SL, Photoshop, and Firefox... it was quite a tense environment, watching my page file rise.
At0m0 Beerbaum: but shouldnt that only affect the videocard's vram?
Torley Linden: At0m0: No, it doesn't just affect that... I forget the exact details but it uses system RAM too...
Torley Linden: Someone like Steve Linden, one of our senior graphics devs, would know way more about it.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: pshop and sl dont get along
Torley Linden: Which is kind of a shame, because Photoshop is popular with content creators.
Disa Paine: 2 pcs, problem solved :)
Torley Linden: GIMP is a fair alternative tho...
Disa Paine: i use 3
Kitto Flora: I can run gimp and SL at same time, and firefox
Torley Linden: Well to some degree, Disa... I prefer to have one really good multi-core PC so I don't have to jump back and forth... even with Synergy or screen-sharing apps, some things aren't totally integrated.
Squirrel Wood: Never had problems running Photoshop and SL together
Boots Mission: hello torley, guys. good top see you again torley, as usual , you have drawn a crowd. hehe
Niky Zenovka: I use GIMP and SL all the time.. :-)
Torley Linden: Hehe hey Boots!
Daedalus Young: I just had Gimp, SL, Opera, Toast and BitTorrent running at the same time, no problems :)
Torley Linden: What BitTorrent client do you use, Daed?
Torley Linden: I used to use Azureus but, heck, it was a RAM hog, I switched to uTorrent.
Daedalus Young: the standard one from bittorrent.com
Torley Linden: Ahs, I didn't know there was even a "standard one".
Squirrel Wood: I'm on Vuze (which is basically azureus)
Torley Linden: I couldn't figure out what was so beneficial about Vuze, but I do use Joost for Internet TV stuff.
Torley Linden: The app is pretty slick-designed.
Vox Repine: azureus wins, if that's all you're running on the machine
Daedalus Young: I didn't know either, but it was the first to come up when I searched BitTorrent OSX
Squirrel Wood: azureus is at 115mb in RAM here
Torley Linden: :O
Torley Linden: See, that sounds hoggish.
At0m0 Beerbaum: SL is currently using 640mb of ram
Squirrel Wood: Its not
Vox Repine: of course, if you're just leaching, it's not a problem leaving up for only you're download
At0m0 Beerbaum: mine is
Squirrel Wood: firefox uses more. lots more.
Niky Zenovka: 695MB here
At0m0 Beerbaum: my firefox = using 10 mb
Torley Linden: Firefox routinely uses up 400-500 MB for me after extended usage.
At0m0 Beerbaum: and I've been running it for 4 days straight
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: its a miracle that someone put all these crystals together and got this happening in the first place
At0m0 Beerbaum: there are some things you can do to minimize its usage
Torley Linden: Hahaha.
Torley Linden: It's amazing what DOES work, eh?
At0m0 Beerbaum: I forget what I did
Torley Linden: Sometimes when you stop and think about it...
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: yes
Torley Linden: How we're all connected and talking right now.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: how we forget
Squirrel Wood: Torley.. http://www.blackflip.org/ ^^
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: this our forfathers only dreamed of
Torley Linden: Mhm!
Torley Linden: *looks at the URL*
Torley Linden: Ooh nice music on there, Squirrel.
Daedalus Young: it's a good thing to remember just before posting "just fix sl!" on the blog once in a while
Torley Linden: Yes, Daed... of course if we could "Just fix it", we would... =)
Squirrel Wood: It's a nice game... over 2000 puzzles to solve by now
Torley Linden: Wow. I'll check that out closer.
Daedalus Young: well, with every new version, just look at the bugfixes in the notes
Torley Linden: Yup Daed, all those incremental changes, those specific details.
Torley Linden never takes those for granted.
Torley Linden: ;)
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i just got reason4
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: amazing software
Torley Linden: THERE'S A REASON 4?
Torley Linden goes to look.
Vox Repine: arr
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: yup
Torley Linden: Last I was making music it was still at version 2.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: with polyphonic synth
Vox Repine: i'm still reeling from the combinator
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: new sequencer
Torley Linden is also fond of Ableton Live.
Vox Repine: oooh
Vox Repine: what kind of synthesis?
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: tempo control
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: analogue
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: aparently
Torley Linden: Ableton Live has great pitch-time manipulation... very good for taking disparate clips and matching tempo and key.
Vox Repine: ja
Vox Repine: in real time
JetZep Zabelin: hey Torley I like how the music in your tut vid had a sample of rezzing an object in the rhythm
Torley Linden: JetZep: Thanks, I don't think that was quite intentional tho... ;)
Torley Linden: but I'm glad it sounded out that way, was it at a specific point you noticed?
JetZep Zabelin: lol u should do it more often
Torley Linden: I know I use a combo of the IM + Teleport sound for the intro and exit.
JetZep Zabelin: it was an older one
Torley Linden: Ahs.
Torley Linden: Hmmm.
Torley Linden: It got so quiet. :)
Vox Repine: let's talk about the scavenger hunt then :)
Boots Mission: haha, must be IMs
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: everyones watching the reason4 trailer
Daedalus Young: hehe
Torley Linden: Sure, what do you wanna know? :D
JetZep Zabelin: me i can get chatty sometimes but I try not to clutter chat
Al Sonic: I was looking at the puzzle game. Haven't figured out how it works yet.
Vox Repine: anything, i just found hint 2
JetZep Zabelin: lol
Vox Repine: though i've heard nothing about the hunt
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: how often are the sirnames rotated ?
Torley Linden: Ahhh, well the scavenger hunt is just for Lindens today... it's part of our performance review fun. ;)
Vox Repine: oh i see!
Dimitrio Lewis: performance review? is that like the weakest link? :)
Vox Repine: we've been wondering about the box in natoma, just saw it got updated
Torley Linden: I'm not sure exactly Handmadeandroid but if a server has a particular problem, then it gets taken out and the region gets rotated onto another sim... or sometimes prolonged crashes can do that.
Kitto Flora: Forcing Lindens to visit SL?
Torley Linden: Ahhh Vox. Hehe.
Torley Linden: Dimi: Every quarter, all Lindens have to report back on the work they did, and goals for the next quarter.
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i meant when you get an account, the secondnames
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: :)
Vox Repine: and a game to keep the day fun?
Torley Linden: We provide 10 pieces of "love" (nice things said by other Lindens to us, like if we go the extra mile while working) and 10 JIRA tasks we're especially proud of.
Torley Linden: OHHH Handmadeandroid, good question, I think the Second Life last names right now are broken. :( Jack Linden is working on getting that fixed...
Torley Linden: Vox: Yup, last time there were waffles, apparently.
Vox Repine: num o.o
Dimitrio Lewis: it sounds pretty efficient :)
Torley Linden: Yeah, it's a lot more efficient than the OLD way...
Torley Linden: where I wrote A LONG ESSAY...
Torley Linden: it was many pages long...
Torley Linden: hahaha.
Torley Linden: so this is an easier glance, while still providing links to further details as people need them.
Kitto Flora gets RLd
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: can i have that big empty island at the top of mainland cos ive got a cool name :)
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: lol
Torley Linden: "People" specifically referring to our managers. :)
Torley Linden: Which one Handmadeandroid?
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: corsica reg_4
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i think
Torley Linden: Oooh, ah yes the new Corsica content, ain't it a beauty!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: some of it
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: lol
Vox Repine: who gets do design the continents?
Torley Linden: I like visiting fertile new land, before anyone's really moved in.
JetZep Zabelin: Torley there has to be a sim named after you too!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: some folk put massive prims between there boundries
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: kind of a shame
Torley Linden: Haha that might get confusing, or I wonder what people would build in it... it could be an honor tho.
Dimitrio Lewis: have you seen my youtube vid called New Continent 3D?
Vox Repine: it'd be a shame if it wasn't themed
Torley Linden: Hm, well if they're "megaprims" which exceed 10^3 m, then they can be removed. Actually, generally obstructing other people's parcels is against the Community Standards.
Torley Linden: Not yet Dimi, where's that at?
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: really?
Dimitrio Lewis: I'll find the url :)
JetZep Zabelin: just make that governor linden buy part of it lol
Al Sonic: 0.o Blackflip seems hit with lag.
Daedalus Young: well there's a region named Rosedale, so why no Torley region :P
Torley Linden: Haha. *blush*
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: there was one called android recenly went lol
Al Sonic: Oh c'mon...hehe.
Torley Linden: Yeah Rosedale and the ones near it are named for some proninent Linden Lab investors.
Squirrel Wood: A Torley Region would have to be green and pink.
Daedalus Young: there -is- a Wong Island, but that's no mainland
JetZep Zabelin: green water and pink land
Torley Linden: HAHA Wong Island? I gotta see that...
Torley Linden: I wonder what's on it. X_X
Disa Paine: you could call a sim Watermelon
Torley Linden: It sounds familiar tho.
Torley Linden: OH here's trivia...
Infiner Morigi: wow i was just looking for the textures lol
Torley Linden: There IS a region called Subak, which is Korean for "watermelon"!
Torley Linden: Heya Infiner!
Torley Linden: Welcome to my office!
Fawkes Hifeng: can somone help me with some money?
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: the japanese sims are neat
Infiner Morigi: Heya Torley :D Just watched your tutorial, very good inventory tips
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: very nice builds there
Torley Linden: Thanks very much Infiner.
Torley Linden: Sorry Fawkes, I've got no L$ to give but I can suggest what I did to make L$. ;)
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: baba is a good place to start if you want to explore japanese sl
Torley Linden: *makes a note*
Daedalus Young: you gambled your first L$, that's no fair :P
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: and theres many things you cant buy here
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: lol
Torley Linden: Hehehe.
Torley Linden: Some things are priceless. For everything else, there's...
Disa Paine: Torley, I have to go, thank you for your time and for SL
Torley Linden: ;)
Vixens Populated Male AO: Couldn't find animation Champion!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: i built a school for a buisness , not age play , but a scale model for my first lindens monsaratti school
Torley Linden: You're welcome Disa!
Torley Linden: Thanks for visiting me.
JetZep Zabelin: kewl Torley give us more time than he said =)
Disa Paine: have fun all
Fawkes Hifeng: then just please help me with a small amount i beg you please
Vox Repine: adioses
Daedalus Young: my first L$ came from YadNi's money tree :)
Torley Linden: Alas, I must be going too... off to continue more work and finish that scavenger hunt. ;) Let me emphasize I really appreciate spending time with each and all of you...
Torley Linden: thanks for being here with me today!
Dimitrio Lewis: This was recorded near the at the year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9tpUP65d54
At0m0 Beerbaum: later
Vox Repine: bye torley!
Daedalus Young: thanks for having us here
Dimitrio Lewis: err, the beginning of the year
JetZep Zabelin: aww i spoke too soon
Torley Linden: Thanks Dimi, will have a look.
JetZep Zabelin: lol
Torley Linden: =^_^=
Al Sonic: Yep, Goodbye then.
Dimitrio Lewis: nice chatting :)
Torley Linden: JetZep: I will have more office hours!
Handmadeandroid Zenovka: lovely to finally meet you toley :D
Torley Linden: TO BE CONTINUED . . .
Al Sonic: Have another happy day!
JetZep Zabelin: bye Torley thx =)
Torley Linden: Bye for now and nice to meet you too! Ta ta and YAYZERAMA!!!!
Torley Linden: *waves and smiles*