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[13:00] Zha Ewry: Ahh. Blue Kitteh
[13:00] Saijanai Kuhn: grey kitty
[13:00] Ardy Lay: With brown hair.....
[13:01] Morgaine Dinova: Maybe they're using Opensim today
[13:01] Ardy Lay: Hehe
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[13:01] Zha Ewry: Nah, it would be crshin every 30 seconds, if they are using trunk. Tho, neb seems on the trail of that
[13:01] Ardy Lay: Maybe it's "cause trouble today because our exploit gets fixed tomorrow".
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[13:02] Rex Cronon: greetings everybody
[13:02] Morgaine Dinova: Wow, ton of system errors came up here
[13:02] Ardy Lay: Rex
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[13:02] Rex Cronon: ?
[13:03] Zha Ewry: Ooh. Zero on line, promising
[13:03] Latif Khalifa: ah pending downloads falling dow, i guess soon no more gray ;)
[13:03] Saijanai Kuhn: zero inc
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[13:03] Morgaine Dinova: You're still grey to me Latif, but not cloud
[13:03] GG Office: Hours HUD v1.5: 1:00 PM: Lexie Linden: Community Translation
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Localization Central/207/27/30 (Started 3 minutes ago)
[13:03] GG Office: Hours HUD v1.5: 1:00 PM: Zero Linden: Geeky-techy-nerdo office hours!
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Grasmere/163/111/27 (Started 3 minutes ago)
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[13:04] Latif Khalifa: its down to 370 downloads... used to be over 500, its slowly getting stuff
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[13:04] Moon Metty: hi Zero!
[13:04] Rex Cronon: when u sai incoming. i almost have the tendency to duck. u see, i am thinking that a bomb is going to land:)
[13:04] Morgaine Dinova: I'm the only cloud here, from my viewer's PoV. But I did a rebake and my cloud went away for everyone else.
[13:04] Tillie Ariantho: Hullos! :)
[13:04] Saijanai Kuhn: Good Morning Teacher
[13:04] Widget Whiteberry: morning all
[13:04] Rex Cronon: hi
[13:05] Zero Linden: hello hello hello
[13:05] GG Office: Hours HUD v1.5: 1:00 PM: Lexie Linden: Community Translation
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Localization Central/207/27/30 (Started 5 minutes ago)
[13:05] GG Office: Hours HUD v1.5: 1:00 PM: Zero Linden: Geeky-techy-nerdo office hours!
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Grasmere/163/111/27 (Started 5 minutes ago)
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[13:05] Rex Cronon: hello zero
[13:05] Zha Ewry: Early Afternoon, Zero
[13:05] Morgaine Dinova: There hasn'been any teaching from Zero for a year. Perhaps it would be good to change the run.
[13:05] Morgaine Dinova: Hiya Zero
[13:05] Zero Linden: Indeed - change is afoot
[13:05] Widget Whiteberry: oops!
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[13:05] Mojito Sorbet: Plenty of room over here on the wall, Widget.
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[13:05] Zero Linden: smiles
[13:05] Widget Whiteberry: smiles
[13:06] Tegg Bode: Changing our feet?
[13:06] Zero Linden: I've had a Mojito cupcake -- and it was great
[13:06] Katiri Hynes: That sounds delicious.
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[13:06] Zha Ewry: Heh. Given the ankles on the current mesh, yes please.
[13:06] Zero Linden: from Bad*ss Cupcakes in Cambridge
[13:06] Moon Metty: mmmyum
[13:06] Zero Linden: well worth it!
[13:06] Mojito Sorbet: If I could figure how to make what my name describes, I would get rich
[13:07] Morgaine Dinova: Cupcake was a version of the Android SDK, wasn't it? 1.5?
[13:07] Zha Ewry: Crushed ice, rum, sugar cane, mint, and purreei it and freeze it Mojito?
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[13:07] Zero Linden: Whereas if I had Zero Lindens..... I'd be poor!
[13:07] Mojito Sorbet: See, the rum bit interferes with the freeze bit
[13:07] Morgaine Dinova: "Failed to find clothing in database" --- system notification
[13:07] Zero Linden: bah... physics!
[13:07] Zero Linden: It's a virtual world - we don't need no stinkin' physics!
[13:07] Zha Ewry: You just need a more serious freezer ;)
[13:08] Moon Metty: well, at least you're grey, your hair is a sphere and your sitting animation didn't load, it's a start
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[13:08] Katiri Hynes: We have Havok! who needs physics.
[13:08] Mojito Sorbet: Ill just uncheck the "Physical" checkbox on my kitchen then
[13:08] Latif Khalifa: lol Moon
[13:08] Moon Metty: :)
[13:08] Zero Linden: I'm going to wait another two minutes here.....
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[13:08] Zero Linden: And then get serious
[13:09] Moon Metty: :)
[13:09] Zero Linden: rummages around for his serious hat
[13:09] Zha Ewry: And finally gets a sit loaded
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[13:09] Zha Ewry: And shoes
[13:09] Moon Metty: ahhh nice hat
[13:09] Zero Linden: thank you
[13:10] Zha Ewry: I think we need a more serious oven. Zero's bake is very slow.
[13:10] Ardy Lay: Hmm... Can alcohol be used to seed a snow generator? Freeze a shell of water around supercooler rum droplets?
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[13:10] Mojito Sorbet: The important part of a mojito is actually the peppermint. The rum part can be faked
[13:11] Widget Whiteberry: takes notes
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[13:11] Zero Linden: Welcome all to another installment of Zero's Geeky office hours
[13:11] Latif Khalifa: lol
[13:11] Saijanai Kuhn: blame the HUD for the phrasing
[13:11] Zero Linden: As has always been - these meetings are public and transcripts float about the internet, often landing in our wiki
[13:11] Zero Linden: So - speak freely and openly!
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[13:12] Ardy Lay: -- and on the record. :-)
[13:12] Morgaine Dinova: listens freely and openly
[13:12] Rex Cronon: interesting hat
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[13:12] Zero Linden: So - first and foremost
[13:13] Zero Linden: We should applaud the creation of VWRAP
[13:13] Zero Linden: For those that somehow missed the news, the IETF has formally sanctioned the creation of a working group
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[13:13] Zero Linden: in the area of virtual world interoperatbility protocols
[13:13] Saijanai Kuhn: we/ve been sanctioned??? Eep.
[13:13] Zero Linden: the group is named Virtual World Region Agent Protocol
[13:13] Mojito Sorbet: Dont think about the Eiger.
[13:14] Zero Linden: or VWRAP
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[13:14] Zero Linden: it has a charter, and two co-chairs: Barry Leiba and Joshusa Bell
[13:14] Zero Linden: the later is my collegue at Linden Lab
[13:14] Morgaine Dinova: This is the IETF announcement that made us official -- [1]
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[13:15] Zero Linden: This is ending of the beginning -- or perhaps the ending of the prelude, and the start of a long road
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[13:16] Zero Linden: but for us I think is significant -
[13:16] Zero Linden: remember that it was two years ago, here, that we first met to formally talk about opening protocols --
[13:16] Zero Linden: --- where we first explored the concepts of Agent domain and Region domain
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[13:17] Zero Linden: where we identified and named the parts and pieces and areas that will need to be tackled
[13:17] Tillie Ariantho: So we are starting right where we left 2007, but now officially? :P
[13:17] Zero Linden: Well - I think that the fundimental concepts that we've been exploring are now clearly enough seen to be actually part of the NAME of the group
[13:18] Morgaine Dinova: That *might* need to be tackled. It was the start of an idea, which is now being filled out in VWRAP. And the two-domain model may change, if there is rough consensus in the IETF workgroup.
[13:18] Zero Linden: means that we've come quite a ways, even if it hasn't been as far in code as all of us would like
[13:18] Saijanai Kuhn: except that the economy and the VW business community have changed in many ways since then
[13:18] Zero Linden: Well - no matter - none of this is putting a damper on my enthusiasm or excitement that we've hit this point!
[13:19] Mojito Sorbet: If you take long enough trying to be perfect, you get passed by the people who settle for "good enough".
[13:19] Zero Linden: BUT - given this change, I want to talk about changes for me
[13:19] Zero Linden: and for this meeting
[13:20] Zero Linden: I'll take me first:
[13:20] Morgaine Dinova: Zero: indeed, there's *LOTS* of enthusiasm. And great progress too --- for example, with Joshua's help we've made more progress on asset service models in multi-world deployments than in the previous 2 years of AWG. So yep, great things are happening!
[13:21] Zero Linden: As most of you have noted, my direct role in the standards and protocols efforts has been minimal or absent --
[13:21] Zero Linden: largely taken over by Infinity Linden at first, and now Josh Linden
[13:21] Zero Linden: as well
[13:21] Morgaine Dinova: Yep, noticed
[13:21] Zero Linden: Internally, I've been filling the role of "Systems Architect" since January -- and have been deeply involved in many internal architectural
[13:21] Zero Linden: designs, retrofits, emergency patches, and project designs
[13:22] Zero Linden: Recently, two things have changed a bit
[13:23] Zero Linden: 1) We Hired Lisa Dusseault to be our second Systems Architect
[13:23] Zero Linden: she has a long history of archetural design, especially involving new protocols and standards - but also involving clear, customer focused systems
[13:24] Zero Linden: 2) I've begun to focus internally more on the next set of internal architectures
[13:24] Zero Linden: that will propell SL over the next three to five years
[13:24] Zero Linden: (and hopefully beyond)
[13:25] Zero Linden: My next few months will be very heads down and working on some larger things
[13:25] Zero Linden: And so ---
[13:25] Zero Linden: that brings me back to this meeting
[13:26] Roberto Salubrius:
[13:26] Zero Linden: This meeting was originally part of a Linden Lab initiaitive to get employees in front of residents
[13:26] Zero Linden: We were to try holding "office hours" and talk about what we do
[13:27] Zero Linden: I started this aimed at the technical side of SL, and the systems that run it
[13:27] Zero Linden: folks seemed to like it! -- thanks!
[13:27] Zero Linden: Later, when I took a major turn on developing initial designs of interoperability, this meeting changed as
[13:28] Zero Linden: we spun up the AWG - and mostly became a weekly discussion of future protocols
[13:28] Morgaine Dinova: Yep, we loved the technical discussions, Zero. They were excellent :-)
[13:28] Zero Linden: and - over the Summer 2008, and meeting of actual implementors
[13:28] Zero Linden: Now that
[13:28] Zero Linden: the locus of that work has moved to the IETF and the VWRAP working group
[13:29] Zero Linden: this forum is no longer the right venue for that discussion
[13:29] Morgaine Dinova: Agreed
[13:29] Zero Linden: Indeed, the IETF already has establish forums (e-mail, the face-to-face meetings, jabber channel)
[13:29] Zero Linden: and I know that the VWRAP group is considering how to have a forum in virtual space too
[13:30] Roberto Salubrius: IETF ?
[13:30] Latif Khalifa: Roberto: [2]
[13:30] Zero Linden: (I'm being poked to remind folks that IETF forums are subject to the "NOTE WELL" policy: [3] )
[13:31] Morgaine Dinova: Roberto: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ogpx (eventually there might be a dedicated VWRAP mailing list too)
[13:31] Roberto Salubrius: thx
[13:31] Zero Linden: SO - I hearby declare the end of an era in these office hours
[13:31] Zha Ewry: The current thinking is we'll stayo n the OGPX mailing list, with a VWRAP tag.. and There is a TRAC here..
[13:32] Morgaine Dinova: kk Zha
[13:32] Zero Linden: I'd like to move these back to their original purpose: time for me to personally connect with residents and talk about the work I'm doing
[13:32] Zha Ewry: [4]
[13:32] Zero Linden: However, given that I'm in the early planning stages of new work, I'm going to take a haitus
[13:32] Saijanai Kuhn: zero, the internal architecture of SL would be server to server? Or would it include client/server?
[13:32] Zero Linden: (or at least more formally that the one I've been on for the last few months)
[13:33] Zero Linden: and will fire these back up, when I've got projects underway
[13:33] Zero Linden: and am able to talk about them
[13:33] Zero Linden: Saijanai -- I meant internal to LL for now
[13:33] Zero Linden: My design work continues to encompass both server to server and client to server
[13:33] Saijanai Kuhn: OK. Because any client/server issues still enter into the VWRAP discussion
[13:34] Zero Linden: but, of course, some of that work will have to be harmony with the VWRAP work
[13:34] Tillie Ariantho: You mean internal like all the secret projects on the way? Many Office Hours are pretty fruitless right now as no one is talking about .. stuff.
[13:34] Zero Linden: Right - but the VWRAP / LL interaction is now Infinity's and Josh's turf
[13:34] Zero Linden: Exactly - and since I can't talk about my "stuff" right now - I'm not going to hold office hours
[13:35] Tillie Ariantho: ;)
[13:35] Zero Linden: BUT - I do expect to be able to talk about that stuff within a few months
[13:35] Zero Linden: The issue now is getting our plans settled and agreed to -- at present my work is in abstract proposal stage
[13:35] Tillie Ariantho: You mean when the client shown at the SLCC is being released? ,)
[13:36] Mojito Sorbet: Redoing the layout of the viewer GUI is not exactly great architectural redesign
[13:36] Mojito Sorbet: I think Zero is talking about deeper stuff
[13:36] Tillie Ariantho: As no Linden is talking about any work right now (so it seems to me), it is more than just a GUI revamp.
[13:36] Tegg Bode: Yeah got nothing to talk about untill more info about stuff 2.0 is released, I think this is the longest we have been derived of new stuff in last 2 years
[13:36] Zero Linden: No no -
[13:37] Roberto Salubrius: ok so if I get it correctly, stop using the office hours to discuss the open protocol, that will be discussed offworld on a mailing list/forums/IRC/wherever, Zero will be off this for a while doing some mumbo jumbo for LL, and the inden involvement will be by Lisa and the other linden ?
[13:37] Zero Linden: my work is on deeper issues - like -- how do we make a data storage system that is architected to handle 1B accounts with an everr changing schema?
[13:37] Tillie Ariantho: And fixing groups for 1B accounts? :)
[13:38] Zero Linden: Or - how do we create simulators that can deliver information feeds about themselevs at a variety of resolutions and latencies
[13:38] Python Morales: Zero, ok - how?-)
[13:38] Zha Ewry: For the time being, the AWgroupies will continue providing a venue as well
[13:38] Python Morales: (yah i know let's wait ome moths)
[13:38] Zero Linden: Well, Tillie - Groups would be one of the biggest challenges
[13:38] Rex Cronon: lots of those r just bots
[13:38] Roberto Salubrius: Zero I have a question is LL multibrancing... 1 new internal branch for LL itself and 2- an externa branch to cater for the open community ?
[13:38] Zero Linden: our Groups are, as you well know, very unlike groups in other systems (Facebook, say)
[13:38] Zha Ewry: Although there will be some focus on VWRAP focused iscussion
[13:39] Tegg Bode: 18 accounts sounds a bit excessive, 5 is plenty for me
[13:39] Mojito Sorbet: 1B, not 18
[13:39] Zero Linden: Python - if I *knew* how right now - I'd be building it!
[13:39] Tillie Ariantho: "would be" sounds to me like "too hard to do, so we push that back as far as possible" :D
[13:39] Zero Linden: No - LL isn't "multibranching", at least not in how I think you mean it
[13:40] Roberto Salubrius: thank you.
[13:40] Zero Linden: we do have branches -- for example, Snowglobe is a branch distinct and long lived from the main viewer
[13:40] Roberto Salubrius: no I meant branching protocols
[13:40] Zero Linden: BUT, they are serving the same system
[13:40] Zero Linden: Ah - no - no branching protocols ----
[13:40] Zero Linden: but work to support VWRAP and eventual efforts will mean supporting multiple protocols at the same time
[13:41] Latif Khalifa: Zero, is this new development model of working behind closed doors, like it's currently done for viewer02, a new permanent LL policy, or a one-off event?
[13:41] Tegg Bode: Yes butit seems to me Snowglobe is the replacement for 1.24 and just a predecessor for the 2010 Megaviewer
[13:41] Zero Linden: "we have a world here to run" while we're changing the gague of the tracks, retooling the wheels and switching the engine technology!
[13:42] Morgaine Dinova: Will there be a migration of SL entirely over to TCP as was done with map textures, *PRIOR* to VWRAP being a viable protocol?
[13:42] Mojito Sorbet: Frankly, nothing I have seen in the snippets about the new viewer are worth anyting like the secrecy that surrounds it
[13:42] Roberto Salubrius: ok I was talking a few days ago with a friend that maybe LL was going to keep an open world with standarized protocols, and a LL world ( second life ) with internal , or protected protocols, it was speculation, but given that it seems so many people are working on somewhat "secret" things we where wondering if things where heading on that direction.
[13:42] Zero Linden: Latif - even in LL in the past, any project goes through a phase where it is just a proposal, and early design and you don't want to say anything, becuase there isn't enough meat on it to really discuss it -- and we all know what happend out in the world with such info
[13:42] Zero Linden: then later, you work on it -- and usually, some aspect of it is something you want to hold back "for the reveal"
[13:43] Zero Linden: of course you make the trade off between things that need early developer input or coordination
[13:43] Zero Linden: vs. those things that will just be "wow"
[13:43] Zero Linden: what has changed at LL isn't this -- it is the time scale and scope
[13:43] Zero Linden: When I arrived at LL, one of my first choosen major projects took a month -- a whole month of engineering
[13:44] Zero Linden: This was considered insanely long!
[13:44] Latif Khalifa: Zero, I remember you discussing the message liberation way before it was implemented, it was exciting architectual change.... I see no adverse effect of discussing suchh thing in the futurem. My question is does LL see such adverse effect since it seems to be changing its policy?
[13:44] Zero Linden: My design period, and "quite period to the residents" was no more than three weeks!
[13:44] Techwolf Lupindo: whispers: How much time is now taken up in meetings?
[13:44] Techwolf Lupindo: How much time is now taken up in meetings?
[13:44] Zero Linden: Latif - no, i don't think so
[13:45] Zero Linden: once we have decided how to proceed, and, subject to "hold backs", I will reveal what I'm working on long before it is deployed
[13:45] Zero Linden: I like that question -
[13:45] Zero Linden: I just counted on my calendar for this week: 6.5 hours in meetings
[13:45] Latif Khalifa: ok, very nice to hear... i am looking forward to hearing more about the technical issues and the architecture of Second Life
[13:46] Zero Linden: 2 hours of which are manger/employee meetings (one each way)
[13:46] Zero Linden: I think that is representative for me
[13:46] Zero Linden: and about right
[13:46] Zero Linden: I'm looking forward to sharing them --- It was very gratifing to talk about message liberation as it started, and then as it was underway
[13:47] Tillie Ariantho: Sometimes it is better to discuss stuff with the community instead of just releasing it. Like the changes to the chat --> Communicate and the redo of the radial menu, which completely sucks now. ^^
[13:47] Zero Linden: Tillie - I'm sure we won't always make that call correctly
[13:47] Zero Linden: there are just SO many things being done now
[13:47] Tillie Ariantho: Yah, and we are waiting for them inpatiently. :D
[13:48] Tegg Bode: It would be nice just to know what LL are planning on acheiving in the next months, particularly as the competition heats up, many of us are exploring other new VW's kicking off and wondering whether we should consider the considerable effort of moving our eggs into another basket, because we aren't sure LL is going to rise to the challenge. anothe basket
[13:48] Tillie Ariantho: 's looking for her snapshot bugs list... again. :P
[13:48] Zero Linden: There is quite a lot of work these days in engineering to look at improving our "velocity" --
[13:48] Zero Linden: It is something all engineers are very aware of, and something we are actively working on from many angles
[13:49] Roberto Salubrius: sorry what do you mean by velocity and on what context ?
[13:49] Moon Metty: Andrew and Simon hardly have time to code, because of all the meetings
[13:49] Zero Linden: oh - "velocity" is a measure of how fast an engineering team completes tasks
[13:49] Roberto Salubrius: thank you
[13:50] Tillie Ariantho: If it would help I would say: cancel all the office hourse for all Lindens till the client 2.0 is out. ^^
[13:50] Tillie Ariantho: hours
[13:50] Morgaine Dinova: Velocity is a vector, not just a scalar. You've gotta be sure that the arrow isn't pointing backwards too ;-)
[13:50] Zero Linden: One aspect of such work are that some teams are declaring "heads down" days where no meetings or even e-mails are allowed
[13:50] Latif Khalifa: Tillie, i don' think they meant publuc office hours...
[13:50] Tegg Bode: Well at leat till they can talk about it anyway
[13:50] Roberto Salubrius: lol morgaine
[13:50] Tillie Ariantho: Latif: ah. ,)
[13:50] Tillie Ariantho: Tegg: yap.
[13:50] Zero Linden: checks to make sure engineers are un-writing code....
[13:50] Latif Khalifa: lol
[13:51] Moon Metty: lol
[13:51] Zha Ewry: Actually *some* code *shoult* be unwritten
[13:51] Latif Khalifa: haha
[13:51] Morgaine Dinova: Hehe
[13:51] Zero Linden: I'm *so* not going there!
[13:51] Roberto Salubrius: simplicity... it makes a code good...
[13:51] Leasha Clip: um.. if the back-end process is de-bugging, is the front end process called "bugging?"
[13:51] Tillie Ariantho: inventory needs to get completely unwritten and redone from scratch. :P As snapshots and groups.
[13:52] Zha Ewry: I assure you it includes code I've written and designed. ;-)
[13:52] Tillie Ariantho: Zha. :P
[13:53] Moon Metty: so if just providing information is the aim, maybe a webpage is more appropriate?
[13:53] Moon Metty: instead of an office hour?
[13:53] Tillie Ariantho: Or the blog.
[13:53] Latif Khalifa: it's so impersonal, the web pages ;)
[13:53] Zero Linden: Moon - sometimes discussion works well -
[13:53] Zero Linden: people can ask questions
[13:53] Tillie Ariantho: I'd really read a weekly update about what's going on technically.
[13:53] Zero Linden: and it is more personal!
[13:53] Roberto Salubrius: the mailing list... seems more suitable or the wiki steer away from the blogrum please !
[13:53] Mojito Sorbet: I was in a group that did a study. Number of bugs is proportional to number of lines of code, times a factor based on programming language.
[13:54] Moon Metty: i like to call it brainstorming :)
[13:54] Tillie Ariantho: So I can complain BEFORE the release. :P
[13:54] Latif Khalifa: also, having an OH Lindens risk getting a good idea from time to time ;)
[13:54] Mojito Sorbet: The more time Lindens spend NOT looking at what else is out there (like Emerald, etc), the more they risk being left behind
[13:54] Tillie Ariantho: Latif: I guess some do not want to hear my ranting about snapshots broken anymore. ^^
[13:54] Tegg Bode: Or too many "good ideas"
[13:55] Tillie Ariantho: Like Nyx and Bigpapi. ;)
[13:55] Zero Linden: Here's to having too many good ideas!
[13:55] Moon Metty: hehe
[13:55] Zero Linden: And, on that note
[13:55] Roberto Salubrius: the issue is balance... too much overloads too little keeps you craving...
[13:55] Zero Linden: I'm going to call this to a close
[13:55] Tegg Bode: Hey we got you for 4 more minutes
[13:56] Latif Khalifa: how will you let us know when you tech office hours are going to resume Zero?
[13:56] Zero Linden: almost the top of the hour, and while I have no meeting coming up... I've got --- gasp --- real systems design to be doing!
[13:56] Tillie Ariantho: And you started late!
[13:56] Zero Linden: Keep an eye on the wiki page -
[13:56] Zero Linden: and I'll let the usual susepcts know!
[13:56] Tillie Ariantho: Which one? ,)
[13:56] Zero Linden: Zha just said AW Groupies will still be there
[13:57] Zero Linden: and the VWRAP folks will know
[13:57] Zero Linden: and I'll be sure to let Torely konw
[13:57] Latif Khalifa: Ok. thanks for your time Zero, looking forward for some techno speak soon I hope :)
[13:57] Moon Metty: :)
[13:57] Moon Metty: see you soon Zero
[13:57] Zero Linden: Thanks all - it has been fun ! And I'm looking forward to starting up again!
[13:57] Zero Linden: laters
[13:57] Morgaine Dinova: Yep, look forward to when you come out of stealth mode, Zero :-)
[13:57] Tegg Bode: Will miss you Office hours are getting scarce considering the number of Lindens is growing :/
[13:58] Ardy Lay: Thanks Zero.
[13:58] Rex Cronon: bye 0
[13:58] Roberto Salubrius: next time add some food and drinks for the meetings
[13:58] Latif Khalifa: haha roberto :)
[13:58] Moon Metty: yeah lol
[13:58] Moon Metty: stingy Lindens
[13:58] Tillie Ariantho: Looking forward to the first office hours after his 'hiatus'. :P
[13:59] Zha Ewry: That ought to be interesting
[13:59] Zha Ewry: In the mean time, at least every other AWGroupies, I'm going to be trying to focus on "hot topics from the VWRAP mailing list"
[13:59] Rex Cronon: not even donuts available;)
[13:59] Zha Ewry: Hopefully with less sturm and drung than we had today
[14:00] Zha Ewry: *Drang
[14:00] Zha Ewry: Sheeesh
[14:00] Latif Khalifa: oh i missed a good one today then ;)
[14:00] Tegg Bode: I'll be dissapointed if all this secrecy is unwarranted for something like just a GUI upgrade, I'm expecting something significan like Avatar mesh or Megasims or similar bug features
[14:00] Latif Khalifa: is there a transcript?