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Transfer

2010-04-15T00:38:23Z

Blue Linden:

{{Help |Glossary=*}}This word has several meaning :
* When a Teen Transfers from Teen Grid to Main Grid.
** [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:What_happens_to_my_Teen_Second_Life_account_when_I_turn_18%3F Turning 18]
* Transfer is a permission.
** [[Permissions Explained]]
** [[Help:Permissions]]

Teen Second Life

2010-04-15T00:37:21Z

Blue Linden: /* What happens when a teen turns 18? */

{{Help|Community=*}}
Thank you for your interest in Teen Second Life (TSL). We hope the following set of questions and answers helps you discover the most powerful 3D virtual world platform available for teens on the internet.

==What's allowed in the Teen Second Life?==
The Teen Second Life was created to provide a safe place for education projects for those 13-17 years old. Unlike main Second Life, in the Teen Second Life, Linden Lab significantly restricts entry, purchase of land, and activities to those that support the education projects in Teen Second Life.

Linden Lab only allows adults (anyone 18 and older) in the Teen Second Life who have had a background check completed, and who are either educators responsible for an education project in the Teen Second Life, developers assisting in the development of projects in the Teen Second Life, or the person responsible for managing activities on business islands in the Teen Second Life.

Adults and businesses in Teen Second Life do not have any access to the Teen Second Life Mainland (Teen Second Life); that area is reserved exclusively for Teens.

==How many Teens are there in the Teen Second Life?==
The Teen Second Life has about 1.5% of the registrations for Second Life. Since most teens enter the Teen Second Life from a relationship with an educational program, the participation rate may be higher than in the main Second Life grid.

==I have a Teen audience. Can I bring them into Second Life?==
Teens are not allowed in Second Life, but they are welcome in Teen Second Life. You can use the [[RegAPI|Registration API]], create your island in Teen Second Life, and bring teens onto this island through your own website. You can form groups that include teens and IM and exchange objects with teens who come in through your RegAPI. However, in this case, the Teens will NOT be able to leave your island and visit other spaces, including the Teen Second Life "mainland" (Teen Second Life). In this "closed island" model, you can form groups, IM your teens, and exchange objects with them; but all these activities are limited to your island. If teens want to participate in Teen Second Life, they'll have to create a separate account (teen.secondlife.com).

==As a business, what can I do in the Teen Second Life?==
At this time, we do allow businesses to purchase islands in Teen Second Life and create educational content with which the Teen Second Life members can interact. We do restrict the ability of Teens to communicate with Adults, and we do not allow any selling or other commercial activity.

You cannot sell in the Teen Second Life, and you can't exchange L$ with teens. If your island is not a "closed island" you cannot exchange items with Teens.

==What's a "Closed" island?==
A closed island is where you bring Teens in from your website to a specific island, and they cannot leave that island. This is described in the questions "I have a Teen audience. Can I bring them into Second Life?" Since you, not Linden Lab, has the relationship with the teens, you can exchange objects and communications with them.

==What's an "Open" island?==
As estate owner, you can set your estate to open or closed. Open islands have certain strict requirements. With the "open" island model, teens register through Linden Lab for Teen Second Life, and can access your island as part of the Teen Second Life.

* Advise Linden Lab in advance that you intend to have an open island.
* Set up single point of entry
* Set up notecard spammer to announce presence of Approved Adults
* All adults must be members of Approved Adult group and wear tag at all times
o A Linden invites all staff on open estates in Approved Adult group before estate is set to "open."
* In the open island model, you cannot exchange items, IM, or form groups with teens on your island or in Teen Second Life. You will be able to use chat.

==How do I communicate with Teens?==
Teens will find you if you build in the Teen Second Life. It's small, and they're curious. You can use external publications to communicate with them. However, due to US laws and Linden Lab policy, you can't advertise to, publish in the Teen Second Life blogs, or communicate with Teens directly in any way in the Teen Second Life. You cannot form Groups in Teen Second Life or IM teens (unless you have a "closed island -see #4).

==How do I promote my TG project?==
Teen area is small and any newly arrived land gets checked out quickly. Teens will promote it - if they find it appealing and valuable. You can work with Teen interns or volunteers associated with your project to have them promote your site or events though the Teen Second Life forums and via their friends and groups. You can also use external publications and channels to communicate with teens.

Unlike the Main Grid, there's no event list to publicize your events.

==Can I leave my island?==
No. Due to our access policies, adults are limited to the land they own or are building on in the Teen Second Life.

==How do I track traffic to my Teen Second Life project?==
Firstly, you must factor the relatively small size of the Teen Second Life and that many of the teens are involved because of a specific project, so you should expect results in the hundreds to thousands, not the hundreds of thousands in the main Second Life.

Your developer can help you develop tools to track the measures you want - hours spent on your land, number of visitors, amount of interaction with items, etc.

==What happens when a teen turns 18?==
For more information on transferring from teen to the main grid click [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:What_happens_to_my_Teen_Second_Life_account_when_I_turn_18%3F HERE]

==How do I buy land in the Teen Second Life?==
Land costs the same as the Main Grid; there is an education/non-profit discount. For current pricing, see [http://secondlife.com/community/land-islands.php "Pricing"]. To purchase land in the Teen Second Life, use our special order form for [https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=4827 Educational, non-profit, and Teen Second Life Orders].

When ordering a Teen Grid estate, you should create an alt account and place order with that account. This account will be the estate owner and will be transformed when background check is in.

The estate must be purchased by the final owner of the estate, not by a developer - because of permissions and other issues, an estate cannot be transferred in the Teen Second Life. In addition, if you are building for an educational or non-profit organization, if a developer buys it, they'll be billed the full rate rather than the education rate.

==How do I create a project in the Teen Second Life?==
Linden Lab does not do content creation. We recommend you use a developer listed in the [http://secondlife.com/solution_providers/listings.php?category= Teen Second Life Directory] who has prior experience creating projects in the Teen Second Life.

==What does it cost to have a project developed in the Teen Second Life?==
Costs vary depending on the scope of the project.

==How is a developer approved for the TG?==
The developer must be brought in by an education project who contacts Linden Lab to request approval for the developer. The developer then must have a background check for every employee who is working in the Teen Second Life. The Estate owner is responsible for managing this, so there is a single point of contact with Linden Lab.

==How do I get a background check?==
You can request one online at [https://www.ascertainsi.com/secondlife/bgConsent.asp ascertainsi.com]. Or, contact :
Ascertain Screening and Investigations, LLC
110 North High Street, Suite 201
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
614.858.0100
Dee Igo -- [Digo@Ascertainsi.com]
There is a fee, which must be paid by the developer. It's about $40 in the US and $70 outside the US (fees subject to change).

==How do I get instructors approved for the Teen Second Life?==
If your instructors are members of bona-fide educational institutions, they've already been background checked by the institution, and we can substitute verification from the institution for background checks by our agency. Otherwise, each instructor needs a background check.

==Once I'm approved, how do I access the Teen Second Life?==
Linden Lab will create a Teen Second Life account for you and notify you of access. To have your alt account moved into Teen Second Life, file a Support Ticket, providing the alt account name and the Teen Estate/region name. We'll move your account there and provide you with appropriate access. You also must join the Teen Second Life developer's mailing list; you'll be provided with that information when your Teen Second Life account is created.

In addition, you and the developer will be provided with the Social Contract for adult presence and behavior in the Teen Second Life. The Estate owner will mange arrangements with Linden Lab to bring the Alt account you've created for this project into the Teen Second Life (If you're the Estate owner, do this by filing a Support Ticket).

==If my account is moved to the Teen Second Life, can I still operate in the Main Grid?==
You will keep an account for Main Grid access and will create an alternate account for Teen Second Life access. Accounts do not travel back and forth.

==How do I get listed in the Teen Second Life Directory?==
Linden Lab automatically will list any Developer who is already in the Directory; if you are not already in the Directory, you need to submit a Directory entry. Teens may submit a Teen Second Life Directory listing at any time.

==Is building different in Teen Second Life?==
If you attempt to bring over any objects built on the Main Grid that are scripted to give objects, these will need to be recreated on the Teen Second Life. Building tools operate the same as on Main Grid.

==Can I transfer inventory or objects from the Main Grid?==
No; the Teen Second Life is completely separate, and Linden Lab cannot transfer inventory, objects or other content. For items like scripts, you can copy them out of Second Life, and paste them into objects or notecards created in the Teen Second Life. You have one chance to bring inventory into Teen Second Life when you create your alt account before it is moved to Teen Second Life, by transferring inventory from your regular Second Life account.

==Can I bring TG objects to the Main Grid?==
When your account transfers to the [[Main Grid]] on your 18th birthday, all your inventory will be transfered with you. Otherwise: No.

==How else is the TG different?==
Search is limited to your specific Estate in the Teen Second Life; you can only search for items, people, groups and events that are on your Estate.

==Can I bring Teens or instructors into the TG with a special name?==
Yes, you can use the [[RegAPI|Registration API]] to create accounts from your website for Teens to enter your island in the Teen Second Life. You can also request a [[Custom_Name_Program|Custom Last name]] and use the RegAPI to create accounts with that custom last name. Or you can use the RegAPI on a private website to register your instructors or other approved adults with a special last name.

Another resource you should reference is the [http://www.simteach.com/wiki/index.php?title=Second_Life:_Educators_Working_with_Teens "Working with Teens" Simteach wiki's page].

We look forward to seeing you inworld.

Community Gateway

2010-03-30T15:48:39Z

Blue Linden: /* English */

{{Help|Glossary=*|Community=*}}
A '''Community Gateway''' (CG) is a starting point for new [[Resident]]s of SL which is '''not''' maintained by Linden Lab, but by an established community in SL. These gateways offer their own orientation path to give Residents an easy start.

== Community Gateway Members ==
This list shows the members of the Linden Lab Community Gateway program sorted by language.

===Chinese - 中文===

{| border="1"
|+ Chinese speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:3Immersions.jpg]]
| 3Immersions || 三境中国第二人生作为一个综合性社区，为使用中文的第二人生玩家提供全面务服。社区内有宜人的风景，民族特色的建筑，开放式的学习区和交流区。公司专注于 Second Life相关的开发与服务，并为第二人生中文用户提供汉化客户端。此外，三境公司还专门为中文用户提供一个公平、公正、公开、便捷的交易平台(www.3jlife.com)，帮助中文用户完成林登币、虚拟物品及虚拟地产交易等一系列商务活动。交易网站上设有论坛，以便中文用户相互交流经验和技术。 || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lenovo/169/207/2 Lenovo]
|-
|}

===Dutch - Nederlands===

{| border="1"
|+ Dutch speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name/Web !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[File:NederlandseGateway.jpg]]
| [http://www.nederlandsegateway.nl De Nederlandse Gateway] || Ondernemen in 3Dimensies. Leer, onderneem, verzamel freebies, vraag hulp. De plek waar alle Nederlandse communities samenkomen. Ontdek Second Life met behulp van links naar alle Nederlandse hotspots in Second Life. Wij wensen u veel plezier met het begin van uw tweede leven.|| [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Zakelijk%20Nederland/95/95/22 Zakelijk Nederland]
|-
! [[File:0031Virtueel.jpg]]
| [http://www.0031virtueel.nl 0031 Virtueel.nl] || Welkom bij 0031 Virtueel, onze community is een geweldige plaats voor nieuwe en oudere Nederlandse SL gebruikers. Je kan bij ons onder andere leren hoe SL® werkt, vrienden maken, feesten op z'n hollands en veel meer.. Bekijk ook onze website met veel handige info! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/0031%20welcome%20island/64/57/24 0031 welcome island]
|-
! [[File:BeNeLux Logo NL.jpg]]
| http://www.zoha-islands.com BeNeLux Community Gateway] || NIEUW IN SL®? MAAK JE START HIER! Zodra je onze Nederlandstalige oriëntatie cursus hebt gevolgd kan je in onze Welcome Area andere SL gebruikers ontmoeten die je graag te woord zullen staan in je eigen taal om je wegwijs te maken in SL. Hier kan je eveneens vele FREEBIES voor je avatar vinden. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/ZoHa%20Islands%20N/206/147/26 ZoHa Islands N]
|-
|}

===English===

{| border="1"
|+ English speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:AvatarIsland.jpg]]
| [http://www.cyberextruder.com/ Avatar Island] || Make Avatar Island your first stop in Second Life. On Avatar Island you’ll find all you need to create and accessorize your avatar before heading out into SL. You can even use a photo of yourself (or anyone else!) to make a truly unique avatar! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Avatar%20Island%20University/128/128/37 Avatar Island University]
|-
! [[Image:88.jpg]]
| [http://www.betabusinesspark.com Beta Business Park] || Beta Business Park (B2P) is a community of businesses and the people who own, operate, and work at them. This business-to-people community offers a different way to use Second Life. B2P provides a coherent territory dedicated to businesses and their clients, allowing easy connections between people, as well as convenient shared costs of common facilities. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beta%20Technologies/196/60/30/?img=https%3A//s3.amazonaws.com/community-gateways/logo_url/88.jpg&title=Beta%20Business%20Park&msg=Beta%20Business%20Park%20%28B2P%29%20is%20a%20community%20of%20businesses%20and%20the%20people%20who%20own%2C%20operate%2C%20and%20work%20at%20them.%20This%20business-to-people%20community%20offers%20a%20different%20way%20to%20use%20Second%20Life.%20B2P%20provides%20a%20coherent%20territory%20dedicated%20to%20businesses%20and%20their%20clients%2C%20allowing%20easy%20connections%20between%20people%2C%20as%20well%20as%20convenient%20shared%20costs%20of%20common%20facilities. Beta Technologies]
|-
! [[Image:DCCommunity.jpg]]
| D.C.District Community || Immerse your first day in Second Life in this scenic gateway, born in the heart of SL’s biggest fashion district. Here amongst tutorials, enjoy fashions created by the top designers in Second Life. ||[http://slurl.com/secondlife/DC%20District%20Style/135/242/32 DC District Style]
|-
! [[Image:DestinationOrientation.jpg]]
| Destination Orientation || To indoctrinate new residents of Second Life with a solid foundation in the fundamentals of a virtual world.
To demonstrate to residents that Second Life is a community built with user created content
To share knowledge and skills that will help others to build and create.
To foster the idea that everyone is an important part of this community.
To inspire residents through our example to be a part of this community.
To exchange resources and knowledge with others in a cooperative, collaborative environment. ||[http://slurl.com/secondlife/Serendipity%20Mall/129/128/100 Destination Orientation]
|-
! [[Image:DublinVL1.jpg]]
| Dublin Virtually LIVE! || Dublin is known for its warmth, community, and events. Drop by The Blarney Stone for a pint and a chat with the regulars. Catch a live show; shop; sightsee - real Dubliners say, "It's just like being there!" Visit our web at www.Dublinvl.com. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Dublin/234/146/25 Dublin]
|-
! [[File:LanguageLab L.jpg]]
| [http://www.languagelab.com Languagelab.com] || Practice English in Second Life. Highly qualified instructors, great results. Students from 50 + countries, established in 2005. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Languagelab/104/173/36 Languagelab]
|-
! [[Image:London England UK.jpg]]
| London England UK || Welcome to London England. A friendly community gateway based in the beautiful surroundings of Hyde Park London. Our programme will teach new residents how to use Second Life, offer assistance every step of the way and provide entertaining free items to help you get started. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/London%20England%20UK/139/137/22 London England UK]
|-
! [[Image:NewBerlin.jpg]]
| newBERLIN (English) || The virtual true to scale copy of the capital offers all you need to have a good time: events, clubs, sightseeing, shopping, sports and art as well as a personal assistant, jobs, a school... FOR FREE! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Berlin%20newBERLIN%203/174/108/32 Berlin newBERLIN 3]
|-
! [[File:NonProfitCommons logo.jpg]]
| Nonprofit Commons || The Nonprofit Commons, managed by TechSoup Global, is a virtual community of practice for nonprofits to explore the opportunities and benefits of Second Life. We welcome all who wish to join us as partners, collaborators or supporters. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aloft%20Nonprofit%20Commons/92/65/24 Aloft Nonprofit Commons]
|-
! [[File:RockcliffeU.jpg]]
| Rockcliffe University Consortium || The Rockcliffe Community provides support to organizations interested in making the move to virtual reality. We provide turnkey solutions, training, forums, research and networking opportunities. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rockcliffe%20I/15/175/23 Rockcliffe I]
|-
! [[Image:SolaceBeach.jpg]]
| [http://www.solacebeach.com/ Solace Beach Estates] || Set sail for our Pirate and Tiki themed islands. Hunt for sunken treasure, explore the pirate ship, visit the amusement park, and begin your Second Life in our friendly, helpful community. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Solace%20Cove/47/187/40 Solace Cove]
|-
! [[Image:SSGalaxy.jpg]]
| Gateway to the SS Galaxy || You are invited to be part of a vibrant and active sea-faring community, onboard the original full-scale, full-service cruise liner – the SS Galaxy! The Captain and crew warmly welcome you! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Galaxy%20Quest/128/24/22 Galaxy Quest]
|-
! [[Image:CaledonNCI.jpg]]
| Steampunk Victorian Caledon || Steampunk Victorian Caledon: Warm, civil, friendly! Free small starter residences for do-it-yourselfers and the community-minded alike! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Caledon%20Oxbridge/92/198/28 Caledon Oxbridge]
|-
! [[Image:FaeryCrossinglogo.jpg]]
| The Faery Crossing || A place for those drawn to travel a Faery path, to dance and sing under stars and sun. We offer markets and warm, safe homes in dark forests, meadows, and tropical lands. Merriment scheduled weekly! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aetheria/184/51/514 Aetheria]
|-
! [[Image:VirtualAbility.jpg]]
| Virtual Ability || We provide a community of support for people with disabilities or chronic illnesses, their family and caregivers. Our training is open to anyone, and ideal if you learn best by self-paced detailed instruction. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/virtual%20ability/168/98/22 Virtual Ability]
|-
! [[File:CGLogo SaintLeo.jpg]]
| [http://www.saintleo.com Virtual Campus @ Saint Leo University] || Start your Second Life back in college! Join the community and attend weekly music events, contest, prizes, and freebies! Also, learn about our online accredited degrees and virtual classes. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Saint%20Leo%20University/20/217/24 Saint Leo University]
|}

===French - Français===

{| border="1"
|+ French speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[File:BeNeLux Logo F.jpg]]
| [http://www.zoha-islands.com BeNeLux Community Gateway] || NOUVEAU SUR SL®? COMMENCEZ VOTRE VIE ICI! Après avoir fait le parcours d'orientation vous pouvez rencontrer d'autres résidents dans notre Zone de Bienvenue: ils se feront un plaisir de répondre à vos questions dans votre langue pour vous aider à prendre un bon départ sur SL. Vous trouverez aussi de nombreux FREEBIES pour votre avatar. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/ZoHa%20Islands%20N/206/147/26 ZoHa Islands N]
|-
! [[File:BourbonWelcome.jpg]]
| [http://bourbon-island.com/ Bourbon Welcome] || Bourbon Welcome est un espace francophone d’accueil. La meilleure façon de commencer votre seconde vie. Une équipe dynamique. Les outils pour vous aider. Apprenez facilement à découvrir, travailler, créer. Shopping gratuit, jeux, évènements culturels, créations, bons plans, clubbing. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bourbon%20Welcome/172/134/22 Bourbon Welcome]
|-
! [[Image:France3D.jpg]]
| [http://www.france3d.org FRANCE3D] || Bienvenue sur notre parcours d’orientation pour débutants sur Second Life. France3D, le point de départ idéal de votre seconde vie : shopping, jeux, discos, ski & snowboard, business, art & création, bons plans, évènements culturels. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/FRANCE3D%20Sentu%20Novio/56/166/23 Sentu Novio]
|-
! [[File:CG L FranceAdmicile.jpg]]
| [http://www.france-admicile.com France Admicile] || Venez rencontrer et discuter avec de nombreux francophones qui vous aideront à bien débuter votre seconde vie. S'amuser, découvrir, trouver un job sur votre seconde vie, se relooker... grâce à France Admicile. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/France%20Admicile/149/101/40 France Admicile]
|-
! [[Image:FrancePittoresque.jpg]]
| [http://www.france-pittoresque.net France Pittoresque] || Île francophone d'accueil, discussion, aide et détente sur Second Life depuis mars 2007, idéale pour vos premiers pas (tutoriaux, vêtements gratuits, etc.). Un groupe de plusieurs milliers de membres. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seychelles/48/89/21 Seychelles]
|-
|}

===German - Deutsch===

{| border="1"
|+ German speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:Apfelland.jpg]]
| Apfelland || Das Apfelland ist das Deutschland in Second Life mit einem umfangreichen Kunst-, Kultur-, Bildungs- und Live-Veranstaltungsprogramm. Erfülle Dir hier auf einem eigenen Grundstück Deinen Traum vom zweiten Leben. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Apfelland/127/134/25 Apfelland]
|-
! [[File:CommunityFrankfurtVirtuell L.jpg]]
| [http://www.virtuelles-frankfurt.de Community Virtuelles Frankfurt] || HIER kannst du kostenlos deinen Second Life Zugang einrichten und dein Avatar erstellen. Erlebe das virtuelle Frankfurt in Germanyin3D. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Frankfurt%20Main/153/154/32 Frankfurt Main]
|-
! [[Image:Koeln3D.jpg]]
| [[Köln 3D]] || Mit dem Virtuellen Köln und dem Virtuellen Kölner Dom findet ihr auch in Second Life die liebenswerte Rheinmetropole! Mit ausführlichem SL-Einführungs-Tutorial in deutscher Sprache. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Virtuelles%20Koeln/60/108/38 Virtuelles Koeln]
|-
! [[Image:MuenchenVirtuell.jpg]]
| München virtuell || “München virtuell” ist das einzigartige Modell der Münchner Innenstadt. Über 200 Gebäude, Sehenswürdigkeiten, Lokale, Galerien, Clubs und Shops. Ein einzigartiges Erlebnis und eine freundliche Community. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Munich%20City/233/104/41 Munich City]
|-
! [[Image:Nederlandsegateway.jpg]]
| Nederlandse Gateway || Met uw bedrijf in Second Life?
Zaken doen (en geld verdienen) in de virtuele wereld? Dat kan. U heeft erover gehoord, u heeft erover gelezen, u wilt het ook. En daar gaan wij u bij helpen ! Virtuateq biedt bedrijven in Nederland de mogelijkheid om zich te presenteren in Second Life. Wij hebben een eiland speciaal ingericht voor Nederlandse ondernemers. Bij ons kunt u een kavel huren en zelf uw bedrijf neerzetten of u kunt ons vragen om u te helpen. Second Life is hot! Second Life is booming business. Second Life is de kans om uw concurrent voor te zijn. Wij helpen u graag verder. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Zakelijk%20Nederland/95/96/22 Nederlandse Gateway]
|-
! [[Image:NewBerlin.jpg]]
| newBERLIN || Die virtuelle Metropole im Maßstab 1:1. Hier tanzt der Berliner Bär! Events, Clubs, Sightseeing, Shopping, Sport & Kultur. Leichter Einstieg: Persönliche Helfer, Jobs, eine Schule und... ALLES GRATIS! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/New%20Berlin/193/184/31 New Berlin]
|-
! [[Image:SwissProjects.jpg]]
| swiss tutorial || Das umfassende schweizer Tutorial zu Second Life; interaktiv, auf deutsch. Folge einem Lernpfad attraktiver und abwechslungsreicher Übungen, und informiere dich parallel dazu im Web über alles um SL.|| [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Swiss%20Projects/141/141/35/?img=http%3A//swiss-projects.ch/images/SwissTutorialPicture350x200.jpg&title=Swiss%20Tutorial&msg=Herzlich%20Willkommen%20beim%20Swiss%20Tutorial Swiss Projects]
|-
|}

===Italian - Italiano===

{| border="1"
|+ Italian speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:ISNVirtualWorlds.jpg]]
| Italian Community || La Community Italiana offre numerose attrattive: sport virtuali, eventi e contest, musica dal vivo e DJ internazionali, sfilate, giochi e servizi dedicati agli utenti. Entrate nell’Isola di Orientamento Italiana per i tutorial. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Italy%20Orientation/46/140/26 Italy Orientation]
|-
! [[Image:ITLand.jpg]]
| ITLAND || ITLAND è un punto di riferimento per la community italiana di Second Life. Qui trovi un ambiente elegante ed amichevole in cui incontrare persone, svolgere attività e sviluppare il tuo business. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/ITLAND/128/128/29 ITLAND]
|-
|}

===Japanese - 日本語===

{| border="1"
|+ Japanese speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:MagSLNet.jpg]]
| MagSL NET || 日本最大コミュニティのマグスルなら、やりたいこといろいろ見つかります。初心者にもわかりやすい日本語チュートリアル、クレジットカードのいらないリンデンドル販売、大小さまざまな土地のレンタル、ショッピングにコンサート、レーシングサーキットなど、たくさんのコミュニティで皆様をお待ちしています。 || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/mirai/18/226/26/ mirai]
|-
! [[Image:Metabirds250 50 2.jpg]]
| Metabirds || メタバーズには、クリエーターショップやビジネス街、文化的でお洒落な人達が数多く入居する住宅街など、美しくワクワクする街が広がっています。まずは、遊び心一杯のチュートリアルで操作方法を学んで、広大なセカンドライフの世界を体験してみましょう。初めての方でも安心して楽しめるように「ビギナーセンター」では、毎晩２２～２３時の間、スタッフがお待ちしてみなさんのセカンドライフに関する質問にお答えしています。 || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Metabirds%20Sea%201/164/11/21 Metabirds Sea 1]
|-
! [[Image:MobileFactory.jpg]]
| Mobile Factory || モバイルファクトリーが提供するセカンドライフ初心者向け登録方法には以下の特徴がございますのでご注意ください。特徴１ : 登録が簡単すぎる！（約3分で完了！）特徴２ : すぐに友達を作れるコミュニケーションツール「Wassr」をプレゼント！特徴３ : セカンドライフの通貨「リンデンドル」がもらえるキャンペーン随時開催！特徴4 : 日本人が多い || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/MobileFactory/128/86/2 MobileFactory]
|-
! [[Image:VirtualWalker.jpg]]
| Virtual Walker || 東京ウォーカーのバーチャル版、バーチャルウォーカーは登録者10万人以上の日本最大のセカンドライフポータルです。日本語による簡単登録、操作ガイドの他、毎日スタッフがセカンドライフ内で活動し、イベントも行われています。ウェブサイトと雑誌連動型の企画など、安心で楽しい日本人セカンドライフコミュニティの登録はこちらからどうぞ！ || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Walker%20Orientation/119/102/44 Walker Orientation]
|-
|}

===Korean - 한국어===

{| border="1"
|+ Korean speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:SeraKorea.jpg]]
| Sera Korea || 세컨드라이프 대한민국 공식 파트너! 세라코리아(www.serakorea.com)로 오세요.- 상시 거주하는 공식 도우미 아바타(멘토)가 도움을 드려요. - 체계적인 매뉴얼을 통해 다양한 재미를 즐길 수 있어요. - 쇼핑몰, 영화, 카페 등 다양한 공간을 무료로 제공합니다. 지금 바로 세라코리아를 통해 세컨드라이프에 가입하세요. 세라코리아에서 세컨드라이프 국내 사용자들과 함께 친목, 정보 등을 공유할 수 있는 기회를 마련하세요. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sera%20Korea%2014/80/187/246 Sera Korea 14]
|-
|}

===Polish - Polski ===

{| border="1"
|+ Polish speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:PolishCommunity.jpg]]
| Polish Community || Polish Community to ludzie.To Ty to Ja. To nowe możliwości realizacyjne tego co lubisz i kim jesteś. To współnota polskiego społeczeństwa. Nie zwlekaj i daj poznać się innym już dziś. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Polish%20Community%20WyspaStartowa/200/29/36 Polish Community WyspaStartowa]
|-
|}

===Portuguese ===

{| border="1"
|+ Portuguese speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:94.jpg.png]]
| Copacabana Brasil || Venha para nossa comunidade brasileira no Second Life.
Aqui você fará novos amigos e terá um ambiente totalmente customizado para o seu idioma. Fale com nossos "mentores" eles estaram sempre dispostos a ajudar. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Copacabana%20Brasil/105/16/24 Copacabana Brasil]
|-
! [[Image:G.A.M..jpg]]
| G.A.M. Grupo de Apoio Mentor || Queremos proporcionar um grupo de pessoas preparadas, que seja capaz de ajudar a todos os residentes Inworld, dando orientação e suporte a usuários para que possam usufruir de uma boa experiência SL. Os agentes estão habilitados a orientar, guiar e ensinar os moradores lado a lado, mostrando como o Second Life foi criado para divertimento e prazer, para engrandecer e crescer como seres humanos num local que vincula todos os povos, raças e culturas. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sunset%20Place/199/42/21 G.A.M. Grupo de Apoio Mentor]
|-
! [[Image:CGIlha Brasil.jpg]]
| Ilha Brasil || Primeira ilha Brasileira do Second life, um lugar de gente bonita alegre e com o tempero Brasileiro, venha ja fazer parte da comunidade que mais cresce no second life, ILHA BRASIL a numero 1 dos Brasileiros no Second life !!!! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Brasil/222/117/27 Ilha Brasil]
|-
! [[Image:PortalBrasil.jpg]]
| Portal Brasil || O Portal Brasil é cuidadosamente planejado para receber os novos brasileiros cadastrados com a atenção de residentes experientes que ensinarão todos os movimentos básicos e dicas importantes para que você possa desfrutar experiências fantásticas inworld.

Venha descobrir todos os segredos de uma segunda vida com a qualidade.

Aguardamos você! Seja bem vindo! || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Portal%20Brasil/225/35/23 Portal Brasil]
|-
|}

===Russian - Русский===

{| border="1"
|+ Russian speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:MoscowIsland.jpg]]
| Moscow Island || Moscow Island - сообщество русскоговорящих резидентов Second Life. Виртуальная копия Красной Площади, Мавзолея, Кремля. Развлекательные мероприятия в клубах, магазины и аренда земли. 6 островов. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Moscow%20Island/235/175/22 Moscow Island]
|-
|}

===Spanish - Español===

{| border="1"
|+ Spanish speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:MundoSL.jpg]]
| MundoSL || Conecta directamente con los hispanohablantes. Nuestros orientadores y video tutoriales te ayudaran a aprender las claves y tecnicas de este mundo para que evoluciones en el lo antes posible. Foros de ayuda y noticias en http://www.mundosl.com|| [http://slurl.com/secondlife/SecondMind%20I/101/138/241 SecondMind I]
|-
! [[File:AlterSpain logo.jpg]]
| AlterSpain || Entra en Second Life de la mano de AlterSpain y nace en la Isla ñ, la primera isla de ayuda en español enlazada en la web de SecondLife.com. Visita nuestros foros de ayuda en español en http://www.alterspain.com || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Alterspain/171/91/23 Alterspain]
|-
! [[Image:VirtualSpain Logo.jpg]]
| Virtual Spain || Comunidad de usuarios hispanohablantes dedicada desde 2006 a proveer a los nuevos usuarios de Second Life® de recursos in-world, clases online, herramientas web y foros de consulta para aprovechar el potencial del mundo virtual. Todo en http://www.virtual-spain.es. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Virtual%20Spain/70/30/27 Virtual Spain]
|-
|}

===Turkish - Türkçe===

{| border="1"
|+ Turkish speaking Communities
! Logo !! CG Name !! Description !! SLurl
|-
! [[Image:Bosphorus.jpg]]
| Virtual Bosphorus || Virtual Bosphorus, Türk kültür ve tarihini tanıtan bir adadır.Adada iki müze bulunmaktadır.Biri Türkiye Cumhuriyeti kurucusu olan "Mustafa Kemal Atatürk" diğeri "Osmanlı Müzesi" dir. || [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bosphorus/26/242/36 Bosphorus]
|-
|}

== Related Links ==
=== CG Additional Information ===
* [[Community Gateway Criteria]]
* [[Community Gateway Public Relations Links]]
* [http://secondlifegrid.net/technology-programs/custom-virtual-world SL Community Programs]
* [http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/12/09/gateways-into-second-life-by-glenn-linden/ 2008-12-09 Blog post about expanding the CG program]
* [[:Category:Community Gateway]] - More details about the Community Gateway members. Here the Gateway owners can provide additional information about their activities, events and news from their communities.

=== CG Related Resources ===
* [[Best practices for building an Orientation Island|Best practices for building an Orientation Island]]
* [[Building community]] - A project that is just about to start - but will be great for best practices sharing in regard to building up communities and managing them.
* [[Localization Portal]] - Translation projects for [[Knowledge Base]], Second Life viewer as well as this wiki.

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User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/June 3rd, 2009

2009-11-03T22:14:57Z

Blue Linden:

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks for coming everyone :D

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: :)

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: :(

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Hey Blue!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Hey Gayathi... Hey, wait a minute!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hi Mari!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Marianne McCann smiles

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: /sorry, everyone, I do not have a bear.

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I have been challenging people all week to come to my office hour....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: last week a number of protesters showed up after blondin's and we went into extra innings'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth wouldn't miss it for the world.

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: Blue did you ever find out if that metric is publically available

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: which metric?

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: the % oof 18 to 20 years olds to the total residents

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blue, Nika Talaj told us that we were to talk about the future of the SL Forums today... is that right?

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: eh... blues looking slighty green today

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I was hoping to Oryx!

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and that is very important as well

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Just around hte gills

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah, right sorry Thinder...I didn't get a response to that mail yet

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: wonder if it's my viewer

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: iz okay

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the metrics guys might be crazy busy

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so who else here did I IM to say COME TO MY OFFICE HOUR!

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Chris Norse: You invited me in the blog

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: this is a great sized group by the way....

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: well I had to im colossus to not pull my stuff on xstreet

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: not me... sorry I didnt come much recently though

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: glad you made it Chris

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Mike Denneny: btw blue

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Mike Denneny: Ill be in the HQ

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, it's been a while Rinoa :)

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: can we keep both the forums and the wiki

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Mike Denneny: in san fransisco

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: the only living part of the forums is the content creation part

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: I cant help it... work ends at 10 pm for me

'''<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well I had told people that we are looking at transitioning to new "Discussion Thread" system in the new Clearspace blog'''

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: oof

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: How well did that go over Blue?

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Oryx just handed me a notecard with a TON of quotes from people that don't like the idea

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Thunder, I beg to differ. Resident Answers is vital.

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: yeah thats not a sfunctional as the forums

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: ok Oryx

'''<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: first I should point out that I'm not talking about the SL Answers feature that's in beta now'''

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Woo!

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Right. That's a different topic.

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I will agree with that it still validates my point

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's something else...similar, but not what we want to use for forums

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the Disucssion threads are as seen here.....

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Can you describe what you envision for forums, Blue?

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/1315

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, that link is to a single thread

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so imagine that as the most basic element of any forum.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: on that basic level it's nice because it's threaded

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so it's easier to follow the various conversations that break out in a single forum thread

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's something that people have been asking for on the current forums for years and years

'''<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Fundamental difference I see: Can anyone create threads in this new world order?'''

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's the plan Mal, eventually

'''<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but what about the abilty to post pics scripts, links sigs and files?'''

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Thunder, you can see that there are all sorts of formatting options in the Discussion thread.....people are posting ferret pictures already

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives giggles

'''<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Will you port all existing Forum content over for reference? There are years worth of info there.'''

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: ok!

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden doesnt get the joke with the ferrets, btw.

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: agreed

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge will explain ferrets later

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, I'm not sure where that came from, but lolferrets certainly lighten the mood of that serious thread

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: oryx, the idea is to keep the old forums frozen, and availalbe

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: we wont be porting that information over.

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Soen Eber: and if people do decide to go somewhere else, will the information in the forums be copywrit?

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: lolferrets is smater than lolcats

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Oryx....what Gayathri said

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: so can we

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: when we ported the blogs to new setup, some info was lost....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: How easy will the old Forums be to find?

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we would hate to lose info that's in the current forums

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: so can we port the info over ourselevs

'''<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: What categories will the new forums have?'''

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Chris Norse: But what about losing the community that has built up in the old forums?

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hopefully pretty easy....they'll be searchable

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Right now even the Blog is buried and not easily noticable

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: like the stickys and the relevant discussions most of the sculpty tool makers talk there

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Nika, all the same categories I believe....and if people have new categories Ll should consider them

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: lolferrets

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chris....i would hope that people would continue posting

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blue, I sent you a link to a suggested forum format that we all came up with

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay thanks....let me look

'''<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chris...what do you think the best way to preserve community would be.....moving everyone at once, or moving threads one at a time?'''

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I think a catch all thread would be good too like on zomglolbbq on sluniverse

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Soen Eber: How about starting with the content creation forums? You're going to have a higher skillset there anyways, they can be good pathfinders

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sorry I didn't see the link Oryx....

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: i was just about to say, sorry, Oryx, missed any link.

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddhpv2fg_2f4cqj9g7&hl=en

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: It was in the Notecard. *blush*

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh sorry lol

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: can everyone see that?

'''<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: One category that was missing from the proposed categories was "General Discussion", which folks ardently wished for but we figured it was a lost cause :)'''

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's great thank you!

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: yyup

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: Hello all,

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Thanks, Oryx, this is really helpful.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Everyone at once would be the best way to do it. Or better yet, don't mess with what is not broken.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: came to add my vote to keep the Resident Forums

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: oof

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: The category list in the link was part of a proposal Qie Niangao and myself made to Robin many moons ago.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: that would be my preference :(

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i like that as well

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, we can pretty much replicate the existing functionality and subjects of the existing forums.....

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Was Nika and Qie who did it, really

'''<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: There were other elements to that proposal, such as BBCode to support script formatting :)'''

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the new software should allow for a number of improvements as well.....

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I'm sorry for coming in late Blue, but you're still considering that yahoo format?

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: a sidebar question is everyone who is currently banned from the forums still banned from the new one

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Gayathri...do you know if new Discussions support BBCode?

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's html isnt it?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: (Yahoo Answers is a different day/topic, Honeybear)

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and I heard a rumor that Prokofy is banned from the jira?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: How's you?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: ok, thanks

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks for coming HoneyBear :) We are talking about discussion threads

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, are the generalities set in stone?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: as long as they dont add marquee or blinking text I'm happy with whatever improvements

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: the rumor is likely not a rumor ^^

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: sorry, what's BBCode?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: But... But... Blink is my favorite tag!

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the basic functions are there Mal, but we have a lot of flexibility

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge loves blink marquee tags lol

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel blinks

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe....BBCode is the formatting language for old blogs

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: RInoa - it' will be a new feature "Blinging text"

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: blinging

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: haha

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Um ... blink marquee tags are the "gesture spam" of forums

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden sadly has not used the Old Blogs much. :)

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: O.o

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: bling.... omg no :p

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Yes, depends on how the HTML is done as to whether it would be easy to quote a script and edit it.

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: what no bing?

'''<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, I mean: Is it for certain this is the platform that will, for certain, be migrated to, because the migration itself is guarenteed to take place?'''

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: text with flashy particals?

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: shiny text?

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Gayathri - oh, do stop by. We don't bite.

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: but it does support html, and has a wysiwyg editor for posting.

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Well, maybe Weston or Crazod...

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: shiny sculptie text

'''<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well Mal, that's the plan...'''

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: just make sure people dont write paragraphs with it

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: need to be very very very very very careful about allowing html on public forums...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Just checking.

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Sorry, but does bling text really matter? Function is more important that form..

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Outside the box, whatnot.

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i know what you mean Squirrel

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: I'm sorry for coming late as well, and apologise if i'm repeating, but we really need to be sure to keep an archive from the current forums - *all* the content

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: blue have you seen google wave?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you check the threads here... https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/1315

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki><nowiki>Soen Eber: BBCode allows you to type [i]text[/i] to get italicized text, for example</nowiki>

'''<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: That could work. Will there be a beta in which we can participate?'''

''Missed that question...we're in an Alpha of sorts with current Discussion threads....look for the JOIN THE DISCUSSION buttons on blog posts - blue''

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: that would be awesome

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can click REPLY and see the formatting tools

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: thats a given about the HTML... I can do a lot with HTML

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Squirrel - yea, our devs freaked when we first heard they could, but Clearspace has a pretty strong way of keeping htm code clean.

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm just waiting for griefy image uploads lol

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: I sense a borken spamming ao

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki><nowiki>Squirrel Wood: [16:22] Rizzy's HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.3.0: Could not find animation 'look_everyone_landing11'.</nowiki>

'''<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Ah, speaking of griefy images.... who's going to be moderating this new forum?'''

''<nowiki>For discussion on Mods, skip ahead to [16:38] </nowiki>-blue''

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: beta for these forum threads Nika?

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: someone will upload goatse you know this

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I know Thunder @_@

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: oh god :(

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Blue: yes

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chris Norse: The current forusm have been pretty self regulating with regards to posted images.

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Thunderclap - would not be th' first time

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: to fix our ao, either put in the missing animations OR edit them out of the config notecard and reload it.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: For the entire forum structure, as intended.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Chris Norse: The community doesn't put up with that kind of crap.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Ya, can post images to the current ones. Aside from some issues with one member postin dead animals an vomit stuff, it's been largely respected

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, there are a number of discussions in progress....you should be able to see several

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: sadly there is always some idiot pushing

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: *puzzled* you mean, the comments areas on the existing blogs?

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: A moderator would be awfully nice. :)

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: I know I was really busy when I had the moderator job

'''<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Maybe just a voting system like on slashdot, so idiots will gradually be pushed "off the island"'''

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: thankless job for sure

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: here's a pic from existing blog

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: http://screencast.com/t/aIQWdpGW4Q

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: why is there an afk cloud in front of me?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: ur better off than i - i see no one at all

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can see the JOIN THE DISCUSSION button....

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I would be voted off pretty quicky Soen.

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Ah, yes, I've done that, as you know :)

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: /btw, which I love

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: and this is the format they'll be in?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: (the button, I mean. :) )

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there will also be a tab called Discussion that list all the threads in a category

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: But how do we see, for example, all the newest posts?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: ok

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Seon, that's a great point and one I wanted to mention

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Soen Eber: well they don't really get voted off Chris, its just you need to manually click on a + button to view their comment instead of having it show automatically

'''<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i brought it up at previous office hour talking about Moderation but worth mentioning again'''

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: (I hear an open mic)

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the vote button or the mute button

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i had a few people at last hour who loved the idea of muting people in blogs

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and some who hated it

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I like it as an option, Blue, though I will admit to only ever having used it once

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: nika, that's not yet enabled in the communities, but if you go to the Answers community, you'll see examples of widgets that show you all the current discussions.

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: it makes for cooler neves for me at tiems i can tell you

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure if Vote/Mute are options built in, but in some cases we may be able to create our own features...

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Sorry if I'm missing something but this looks just like the Blog to me?

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's the same software Oryx.....

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/answers

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: why not use a more advanced php forum layout

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: ah okay

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are a number of features including Forum tools and wiki tools

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: you can see 'popular questions', that can just as easily be 'popular discussions'

'''<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I am, I have to admit, rather puzzled here. Are you saying there will be a blog called "Forum", which will have sub-blogs formatted exactly as they current ones are? And therefore, no way to see the most current posts across the entire forum? And no way to search an individual area, such as scripting?'''

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the Thread tools have the "SL Answers" option

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: as well as options for 'new discussions', etc.

'''<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Nika, it's possible to create widgets that could do all the things you mention'''

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: I don't think you're going to get a positive reaction to anything Answers related today, Gayathri. *smile*

'''<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right now we are using threaded discussions to compliment blog posts'''

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Ah, ok.

'''<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but it's possible to create a very seperate Forum section, with different UI, different features etc'''

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Sorry, apparently I am missing something about SL Answers, Oryx.

'''<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's very very early in the process now :0'''

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Please yes, Blue!

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: :)

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Interesting. Is there any possibility of reformatting the section so that things are all more condensed?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Marianne McCann founded the "Answers" section confusing and a little hard to manage, and is glad to hear that the forums will be a somewhat different system

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: let me find an example.....

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: what Blue is saying.

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: possible

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: maybe this has been covered- and i apologize for the redundancy- but why cant the current forum be brought up todate software wise?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Blue, you keep saying widgets can be created, but the discussion forums have been a feted swamp when it comes to development andLinden love...

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: agrees with Soen

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I tried answers as well but it wasnt as functional as the forum

'''<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: this does not look like it would be easy to locate information'''

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and while the forum is old it is still good

'''<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I think that we have to work on making things easier to find'''

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: It doesn't, Honey. How's the search engine here, Blue?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge nods

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: (amar, no, they will be moving to the new clearspace software)

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Search is essential for the content forums, finding scripts, finding texturing tips, etc

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right now there are a couple things we need to change.....the sub channels don't act as aggregates for example

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i HATE that ;p

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: agreed Soen

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: will you be able to serach for something (say "door opening"), eg in both Scripting Tips and Script Library, for example?

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: (Thanks Nika)

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: yeah - what Soen said again ;-)

'''<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, no disrespect, but working on making things easier to find should be in place before any move'''

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: The current forums are a wealth of information

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: absolutely

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Here's a page from the company that makes the software

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: http://www.jivesoftware.com/customers

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: which is why so many of us came here...

'''<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Blue, that's the first feature that's on the list'''

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can see what dozens of their customers do with it

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: I hate that one too. Need aggregates

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: I read the Blogs *less* now since you went to the new software

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Honeybear, yeah....I agree....the forums are hugely valuable, not because of the software but because of what people have contributed

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: I can never find anything

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: What's the process going to be for getting to the new forums? Are you going to prototype the exact forum incarnation, and beta it? Or just jump to a clearspace blog and modify it as you go?

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Same here, Valentino, re: Blogs

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the easier it is to search that information the better

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: I used to use the 'latest' on the SL homepage to find stuff

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Valentino, Sorry to say, but I have to admit that too.

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I learned 90% of what I know from those forums and truly, 100% of SL history

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: hmmm

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we don't have plans to remove search or make it any harder to find things than it is now

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: me too - same as HB

'''<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Oryx, plan is definately to beta it'''

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: actually I like the blogs I am worried that it will decrease the use of the forums making it even harder for those who want to to get involved in sl

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: hence why blue was asking about 'does it make sense to beta with one group'

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we would like to start building up new forums without removing information or search......

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: good concern Thunderclap

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: (My feeling is yes, it does, to beta with one group and get as much feedback and features up as we can)

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well the long term plan, as with the blog part of the equation, is to create better communication tools

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: to let people get MORE involved

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Soen Eber: If search is crippled here, I can pretty much guarentee most of the content creation discussion will move to private boards. I'm a software developer r/l, and spend an hour a day on average searching. Its just that vital.

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: agreed we want that

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and to start integrating with the client

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Oooh I would LOVE to help beta!

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: what is the current time frame for development Blue?

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: agrees with Soen again

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and there are no functional private boards

'''<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so that for example, your inworld profile would be reflected on the blog/forums'''

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Likewise, Oryx

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: oh geez

'''<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: is that *really* necessary?'''

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agreed- with HB-

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: dont want that really

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, it's an option....not maditory

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but Soen, what do you mean?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I more or less leave my inworld persona behind at the door to the forum

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I am banned from sluniverse because their cabal hates me and decided to persoanlly attack me and I filed a suit against cristano

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I kninda like that idea

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: dont want what, Amaranthim, HoneyBear?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: no

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: not me

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: "if search is crippled" soen?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: no inworld profiles showing in the *forum*

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: thats the best private one

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: They don't want their inwolrd profiles to be hooked to the forum

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you mean in existing forums?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i prefer to be met and gotten to know bit b bit int e fourms

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: client intergration is something I see as vital... I really want to see more done here... perhapes we can even expand on profiles

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Ry Lock: inworld profile in forum Gayathri

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: and i have more than two or three posts under m belt

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Alexander9 Carver: hello blue!

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hi Alexander :)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Panda attack!

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: yea, search on the forums will be important.

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth sees no difference between the two, but I suspect I'm in a minority.

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ookay quick vote......

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel actually likes the idea of inworld profiles in the forums

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Blue, what I mean is 90 % of what people do when creating stuff is "borrow liberally" from other people's efforts that they freely conribute - the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing that many people in the science fields keep saying

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: at leats you didnt sit on me again alexander

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: no integrating the profiel into the new forum - does not please me

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Alexander9 Carver: vote 4 what?

'''<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Who hates the idea of profile being the same inworld and forum'''

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: new forums

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Aye

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: ae

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Nay

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I dont

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Nay

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Don't care

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: and aye to

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: nay

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Soen Eber: By crippled, I mean, unable to find material at least as well as you can now

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: nay

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Alexander9 Carver: i want new forums

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I am the same both places

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah right Soen....yes....we shouldn't remove any search functionality, we should only imrpove upon it

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i am me regardless- but

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but I do want the forum decorum linked to your account like everything else

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: no problem... wouldnt mine new profiles though

'''<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hmm....the group is pretty well split on the idea'''

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Alexander9 Carver: o hi mike denney. i didnt see u there

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we'll have to talk more about that in detail for sure

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: There are things in my current inworld profile i don't necessarily need some yokel seeing

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, have a radio button default to off?

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: hi everyone, sorry if I'm running into anyone

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: (you did say "who HATES" the idea, right? So a Nay vote means we do like it?)

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I am fairly high profile for "careers" and I don't need more IMs :(

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's an option *nods

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: I like profiles in forums. I like connecting what a person says on forums to who they are inworld. It gives me a frame of reference, puts their views in context with their inworld interests.

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: hey!

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: Gordon

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: in world i am a merchant. Forums i may socialise or be a content creator or help others -

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Chris Norse: But the idea of a forum ban meaning an inworld ban, I am totally against.

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or it might be I should say thehe

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i have nothing i wont share in either - but prefer the people get to knw me as i write

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: HB - it would seem, to me, that the inworld profile is another place that needs some severe retooling, no?

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and can we get single log in right now I have to log in 4 different places outside the client

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay Chris, let's stop on that a second.,....

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agreed with that Chris

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: HI NEW PEOPLE THANKS FOR COMING

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I am most concerned about the usability, such as the ability to quickly scan thread titles, search well, collaborate on scripts.

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I'm not new. :P

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: agreed Nika

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FORUMS and just starting 2nd half of the hour

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I'm still pushing for resident forum ops but I honestly doubt that'll ever happen

'''<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: where i want to talk about MODERATION'''

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Honeybear, last I checked forums are protected from ANYONE. Have to at least have an account.

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: agreed Nika

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: no mid inning stretch

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: ooo

'''<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chris says that it's bad to have people banned from inworld if they are banned from forums'''

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: although LL has asked for mods several times and gotten some good names

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: yes, most of those looking for jobs lol

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: a big stick is always good

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: this has always been the policy at the lab

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: hi Ciaran, long time no see

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I disagree

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I believe it's a bad idea

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Haha Gordon!

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the idea being that behavior in forums is representative of behavior inworld

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: reword that Blue

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Evil Titler v2: Riseon Kosten needs a new title! To set it, anyone may say the text on /68.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hey Doc

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: currently, if you are banned in world, you are also banned from blogs.secondlife.com (logging in and posting)

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Slow down for a sec guys, let the man speak.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Forum ban != inworld ban

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: banned for SL banned from forums or the other way around

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Evil Titler v2 whispers: Riseon Kosten has removed the Evil Titler.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Well, it makes sense if you can ban people from the grid if they get banned from one region/estate. Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: if you had done that back in 2005 a certain individual wouldnt have to be banned from the jira

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: both ways

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I would be very surprised if LL ever abandoned that policy, though it is widely resented.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: But

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: sounds good to me

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: ok shhh let Blue talk

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Feline Slade: It's a bad idea. People who are contributors to the forums now might feel the need not to contribute for fear of losing inworld assets to a ban.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you are suspended from forums, you can get suspension inworld as well

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I argue, I jump in with both feet in the forums. Inworld, I am always a perfect gentleman. It is the basis of our INworld Forum group. Inworld we show respect.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: how about punative damages

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's meant as a deterrent....

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: What Qie and I proposed was an appeals process.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: I good place to learn about resident moderation is to take a good look a slashdot.org. They do have a history page discribing the plues and pitfalls of user moderation.

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Thunderlap, if it's the individual I'm thinking of he was banned from the JIRA just recently

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Chris Norse: If you mean deterrent to debate, then you might be right.

'''<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: QUICK VOTE....how many people think inworld suspension for forum violation does NOT act as a deterrent'''

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I DO NOT

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i agree. I think decorum is imprtantyes anbd he was banned from the old forums in 205

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: I DO NOT

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i think it wd act as a detterent

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: but also a deterrent to speak ones mind

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but have never been banned in world

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I suppose if someone did something so horrific that you simply didn't want them on the service at all, no matter where it happened, then yeah, but those circumstances are pretty rare.

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: It's a deterrent yes

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Chris Norse: It only acts to deter free debate

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I think it would act as a deterrant, but should be reserved for only the worst of the worst

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I think it acts as a deterrent, but it is oppressive

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: you need to ask the reverse too, though, Blue

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so those who say Do Not, think that we should stop removing people from inworld when we remove them from forums

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: depends on the criteria of banning surely?????

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: it's a detterent but not muchof onebecaus of lts

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: there is a certain form of expected behavior in a community it amazes me MORE people do not KNOW this

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Chris, you don't get free debate here anyway

'''<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: again, it looks a bit like we are split down the middle'''

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: You want free... Well...

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: I agree with Mari there

'''<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: this is a great crowd :D'''

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: It is a deterrant

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Yeah, there's not much left for free.

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i disgaree cheis being on second citizen until its death in 2007 I disagree

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: ook- i can think of one person in paticular whose conduct i wd have banned from the forums

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: suspension would be a deterrent

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo just discovers once and identify an object now in chat. "Just click on it like any other name in chat and a popup saying who and where the object owner is.

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: but wha the does inworld is beside the point

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Chris Norse: We get fairly free debate.

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: there is no freedom of speech with a TOS attached

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i dont like that kind of control

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: But inworld, he's fine Amara

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: blue, can you review why someone currently gets banned in the forums? (I actually dont know the policy)

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: it shouldnt be draconian

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Agreed Amaranthim

'''<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: However an inworld ban for forum behaviour should only apply if forum behaviour causes inworld harm'''

''Ah, that's an interesting variation on the theme...what would be an example of "inworld harm"? Loss of business due to libel? Would it have to be measurable? Good topic for future office hour. -blue''

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: agreed Ciaran

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: inworld = separate from forum

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: and hi

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: only the worst cases in forum violations should have an inworld ban

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes Gayathri, support handles them the same way as inworld ban

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: you shoudl come on the forums more often, Blue ;-)

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Hi HoneyBear

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: think PN

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: /nods

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel groans

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well okay, that's a good point for future discussion.....I think we'll come back to that again.

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and 4chan

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: how can you ask that question Blue without stating what the criteria is?

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: people should agree to disagree and not act like 4 year olds full stop its a community it has standards COMMUNITY STANDARDS

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: I thnk your chair if full Blue. :-)

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Soen Eber: I wonder if forum banning should be a side issue - what else needs to be discussed in the remaining 18 minutes?

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I might support it for disclosure violations, but not expressing opinions.

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: otherwise Forum bans would be enough... being different mediums people act differently between them

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I agree, Soen

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: My problem with far reaching bans is Lindens tend to shoot first and let God sort it out

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: The forum is a venue. Just like this office here. If someone misbehaves here, do you boot them out of the region, or completely off the grid?

'''<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: another point I wanted to pass by you guys was 3rd party moderation.....LL hiring a group to moderate for us'''

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: h hey

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but doc people wnat to act like 4yrs becaus ethat s what some people think is fun

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: thats where the peopl are!

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: hah

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: Dances how do you know this

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Soen: we need to make it VERY CLEAR that we need to keep the forums. In some way.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: you would know that how

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Marianne McCann wrinkles her nose

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, very crowded now....need ....bigger.....chair!

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: Guys - i'll give up my perch for someone else - it's way past bed-time here. I just wanted to add my support for the resident forums. G'night all

'''<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, surely you can get enough resident volunteers to moderate those forums'''

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Not XStreet forums, not SLU.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Agreed Chris, or deliberately trying to undermine an inworld business but just for getting in a huff with someone it's just stifling discussion

'''<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Soen Eber: 3rd party moderators. Wonderful, someone both the users and the Lindens can agree to hate.'''

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I used to mod for AOL...it was all resident based

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chris Norse: NC soft went to 3rd party moderation, didn't notice much of a difference.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol SOen :D

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: most people have no idea what the Gteam has to do on an average night

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: or who they are

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I have yet to a linden do something completely boneheaded without justication

''note from Blue - This is true...my completely boneheaded moves are ALWAYS justifiable ;)''

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: so how could you deduce what they decide

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Blue, are you outsourceing moderation now in the blogs? Will you for the forums?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki><nowiki>Gordon Wendt: [expletive deleted] test viewers</nowiki>

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: lol...then you've been fortunate Thunder

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: And why outsource mods?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: in theory 3rd party moderators wouldn't be much of a difference at all...wanted to see if anyone hated the idea.....

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: 3rd party moderation: Depends on the 3rd party, but a company with no VW/MMO experience would likely screw things up worse.

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: g'night all

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: interesting idea can we keep the xstreet forums live

'''<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so far nobody has told me they hate it violently'''

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: gn Valentino ;)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: nite Valentino :)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I hate the idea of 3rd party moderators

''there's one - blue''

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I'm not sure on that Blue. I mean, it does help s far as relieving pressure on LLs workforce, but I wonder if they'd be aware/sensitive to the history and mores of the forums and SL users?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I agree Gordon

''there's two - blue''

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Gordon, hi :)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: agreed with talarus as well look at soe matrix boards

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Agreed Mari

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Agree, mari

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Inara Pey: I hate it violently, Blue

''three -blue''

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: We need someone who knows SL

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I think it requires someone who knows SL, knows the players

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: why not 3rd party mods.....if the policy is the same, what makes non-lindens worse choice?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Marianne, are curent mods as you describe?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Not some schumck who can barely login to the interwebz

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and is will to be a fair mod

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, it's the people. It's all about the people.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Lack of experience

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Mal - current mods? Where?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, they'd be well versed in forums

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Why not use resident volunteers?

'''<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, a third party has no idea of the culture in the forums, no vibe of the community, they will be resented and they have no contextual sense to anything said, use res-mods, pick a small group at first, use rotating groups if that'll work better and have a few lindens who oversight them'''

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: its not rocket science its parameters

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: power to em, mal

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Marianne, well... Lindens.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: I would have no problem with forum outsourcing as long as banning or suspension decisions were via ll and followed a fair procedure

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: power blue

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: that type of system works well enough with volunteers

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Why not just give demigod powers to some forum regulars in exchange for a slight tier bump?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: no one trusts resident volunteers with any major roles

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: the moderators in question would to have a repore with the frequent users of the Forums... experiance asside

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: ever

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Soen

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: even people from within wd be resented at first

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well Gordon, a moderation company would have experience with trolling etc etc

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: until the proved fairness

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: There's never going to be compensation.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Whoever is a moderator, they will not be senior Lindens like Blue here, so what does it matter whether they're a Linden or not?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Gordon, people have been volunteering for YEARS. No response.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Mal - those few who have done scarce moderation in the forums over the last ±2 years have been fairly well versed, yes

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Doc, we all trusted Strife didn't we?

'''<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: is knowing SL-specific trolling critical to the position?'''

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Not necessarily, Blue.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Soen, anyone who would want the power should not have it.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, if you train your volunteers, they'd have the same experience

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: we really hate the idea of non-residents modding us

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blue YES

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, as far as I'm concerned the moderation company are trolls and you can quote me to the G-Team on taht

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Any idiot can set up a "community management" company.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah...resident moderation has not been well received by the forum folks

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: strife is hated by the SLuniverse cabal as well. He is an excellent mod

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: and sadl no matter waht

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: why would you use the word IDIOT

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: there will be calls of favoritsim

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: thats not even a point

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>laser Bumblefoot: yo

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I don't think it is so much the "resident" part as the "moderation" part.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: I adore Strife.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Gordon, you mean the existing support folks? cause we don't have 3rd party mods yet

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, why not? Because they want to (forum equivalent) run around naked on fire?

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Third party mods can be more suspiiable to playing politics with no oversight. Unliess there is a apeall to any moderation to LL, third pary mods are soso, if there is a apeal process that LL acually listen too, third pary mods would be good. Too many times i've seen mods/admin go on power trip simply becuase they didnt' like someone.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Strife burned himself out. or herself, I forget which.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I, sadly, am the lone moderator on blogs @_@

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: poor you Blue

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: my condolences

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: I was going to say, I think Blue is the only moderator

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I don't know Talarus, I really think moderation is necessary

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i know

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Strife was fab. Millie and Cybin are not bad neither

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I am not disagreeing.

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Many of us here know exactly why

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: If there is 3rd party moderation, there DOES need to be an appeals process that involves Lindens.

'''<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: OKAY QUICK VOTE......3rd party mods GOOD or EVIL'''

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: EVIL

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Neutral.

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: So that no-one bans Carl Metropolitan again :)

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Depends

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Riseon Kosten: evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: neutral

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: good. :) I dont want blue to keep doing it

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: depends

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Lawrful neutral

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: Depends

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: UNDECIDED

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: just talking forums here Nika ;p

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith patpat's Blue

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Soen Eber: neutral to evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Neutral, but then I think most mods are evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Bradley Bracken: evi;l

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: rofl

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: the strange question is why is Linden Lab averse so often to the idea of people setting up in positions of authority when they have claimed to aim for "Your World, Your Imagination"

'''<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay...looks like we're leaning Chaotic Evil on this one'''

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Sin Toshi: neutral...depends on quality of moderation

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Marianne wins internets.

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: LOL

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, speaking into the future on that one, the whole idea of a 3rd party provider makes them seem olike trolls even though we don't know (officially) who they are yet

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Woot dungeons and dragons geeks

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Marianne McCann curtsies

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Blue, if you set youself as top mod that one can apeal to from lower mods, vote yes, if one can NOT apeal any moderator moderation, vote NO.

''I would prefer to see an Ombudsman role, personally....not sure how likely that is -blue''

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: In theory, neutral. In practice, well, experience says "ZOMG! NO!"

'''<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we have about 15 minutes left and I want to hit on a big topic here......MODERATION POLICY.....let me give a tiny intro to the topic first'''

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I have seen to much stupidity to think 3d party moad will work

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: Mods should be SLers' super secret alts - so no one knows who to hate

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Nika Talaj listens closely

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: lol

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: the question is... are forums supposed to be a resident to resident tool or a Linden Lab tool?

'''<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm an interim blog marm....we are hiring a Communications Manager to do this officially, but I'll be proposing a unified Moderation Policy for Blogs, Jira, Forums'''

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: If 3rd party mods come in I will happily give them as hard a time as possible until I am forum banned and will urge as many others who will listen to do teh same

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Trinity, why not both?

'''<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and that includes things like "do people get banned from inworld" etc etc'''

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, can you speak to whether the last comm. manager left willingly or was pushed? or is that confidential?

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki><nowiki>Oryx Tempel: [16:48] ChatBrat Pippita: Mods should be SLers' super secret alts - so no one knows who to hate [AGREED]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge waggs finger at Gordon

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Malarathi, if its resident to resident, then Linden Lab doesn't need to worry about it

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Wait ... will Jira participants lose the ability to close bugs, etc.?

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: please let Blue speak

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i really don't know Gordon

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: ok, fair enough

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Katt wouldn't drink the kool-aid.

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Who was last comm manager?

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: that's another job you'll never get anyone familiar with SL to do

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i came into work and catherine said HI BLUE....Blue...you're my favorite do you know that? lol

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: misc-2727 needs to be re-opened.

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: unless they were insane

''I guess that's me ;D -blue''

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: LET BLUE TALK

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I said, sure I'll help with blogs, but only if Gayathri protects me lol

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Poor Blue. Catherine is very persuasive

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Linden Lab doesn't hire 3rd party people to hopto your land to resolve disputes

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives giggles

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: they delegate that to land owners

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: One of my favorites too *flitters eyelashes*

'''<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: SO.....moderation....i am going to propose that it's the same for jira, blogs, forums'''

'''<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: consistency is critical'''

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: no but LL has outsourced first tier systems work for sims which from whwat I've heard is working well

'''<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I am not sure the Jira can share policy with the other two ... different community and needs'''

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: so if someone is banned from the forum, they cannot post in the jira??

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: that makes it easier for support or anyone else having to do the jorb.

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the level of moderation is what I'm concerned with here.....

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: hiya, sorry I was late, playing with my bike

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Trinity, it's useful because we can talk about... Well.. Stuff. It's useful to LL because they know what stuff we're interested in.

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah that's what I'm wondeering Nika

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, things are apparently changing on the wiki with the kb changes

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: so if someone is banned from the forum, they cannot post in the jira??

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I say let who ever did the adult move be the comm manamger they are already hated

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Oh bad idea

'''<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Chris Norse: But one thing to realize, so much of SL touches RL. To call things off topic, just because they merge.....is over moderations.'''

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Blue, consistency is nice. With subsection for each one, each area has its own quirks of edge cases.

'''<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: does anyone think that one of those three, say Jira, should be stricter?'''

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Malarthi, Linden Lab has its blogs and the associated specific formums... the rest of it is resident to resident

'''<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or perhaps that one should be fully un-moderated?'''

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: *thinks* I wouldn't strain to put the same policy for Jira

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: They're different areas Blue

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or do they all need a similar level of oversight?

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Fully unmoderated.

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: i think blogs and forum can share same policy

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Chris Norse: That sounds good.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agreed with chirs re the topic thing

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Similar policies

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: jira should be different

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blogs need administration, not moderation.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I think moderation on the JIRA works fine, if people get out of line Alexa or Rob act on it and they do a good job on it

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Sorry

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: Inara your chair is eating you

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Not blogs

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Jira

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth sighs

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: the cries of off topic have alwas annoyed the crap out of me

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Venue-specific rules should apply.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: (Actually, the current forums are largely unmoderated and doing well, I am kinda shocked)

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: wiki is generally find although I've had my issues with the g-team on taht

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Malarthi, what's the difference between administration and moderation

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Yes they are Nika

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: *fine

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: ?

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Agreed with HB. Jira needs to be stricter, as a tech resources. Others should be very hands off

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe yes, i am too Nika lol

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agrees with Nika

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: However, there can be some rules which are sacrosanct over all venues.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: we take cae of our own retty much

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Mostly things like the CS

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: blogs need moderation

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay, let's do some quick votes and then we can open this up for some freestyle discussion.....

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blogs need administration not moderation

'''<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: JIRA MODERATION SHOULD BE STRICTER.......YES or NO?'''

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Gayathri, things that we can't do that need to be done compose administration. Things that affect interpersonal relations are moderation. To me, at least.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: blogs need moderation

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: Nika on content creation and resident answers are alive and its in content creatoins best interest to keep it civil

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: YES

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: NO

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: YES

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: NO

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blogs need moderation Oryx.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: YES

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hi Trinny :)

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: moderation implies cesorship

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agrees with Orxy

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol mal

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: hi

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, assuming that the proposed wiki changes go through that's going to be an interesting test case on resident's being given certain abilities if they are trusted and useful

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: YES, my fist jira bug report got trash by jira trolls.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: You're being censored Amaranthim.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Different, not stricter

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Everywhere.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: censorship isnt evil if done correctly

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Fact of life.

''Looks like STRICTER is up by a nose -blue''

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....next quick vote.....

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: censorship implies freedom of speech its a business you have no freedom get over it

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: JIra doesn't need moderation, it needs to be more user friendly and really needs a entry-level version of itself

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: to some degree sure

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: I almost left the bug/opensource/etc/ community because of it.

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I agree on blog comments too, I wish they'd moderate those better

'''<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: FORUMS SHOULD NOT BE MODERATED AT ALL......TRUE or FALSE'''

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: but not stomped on when one disagrees

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Chris Norse: True

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Taking down pictures of Goatse is censorship. Everyone appreciates that.

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Riseon Kosten: TRUE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: false

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i vehementaly disagree doc

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: True

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Blue that is a silly question

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: the illusion of freedom of speech is an illusion

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i dont like to see things shut down because one or more do nt agree

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: fals

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: true

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Sin Toshi: true

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: try it unmoderated

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: False

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Depends on the forum.

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, it's been proposed here Trinity....

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Soen Eber: only for spammers and uberblantent trolls

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: TRUE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I think you're trying to overgeneralize

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: We're been running unmoderated for months

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Fury Rosewood: moderated by those who deserve the power

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: yes, but completely without any control will obviosuly lead to madness

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Grey area. Try unmoderated if you like 4chan. :-)

'''<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: looks like most people are leaning towards moderation'''

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Proposal: Forum cornfield :D

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay one more....

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I mean FALSE! Read it wrong

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: secod citizen shwed that to fail dramatcially

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Moderation is not about power.

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: we DO need some mods though, Honey

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I agree

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Moderation is a nasty job.

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: due to people like P

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: yeah

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: HoneyBear, and how long is the "let this one die" thread now?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Mute takes care of P

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Sin Toshi: just add an ignore feature to the forum and open the throttle

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: why is that an issue?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: We have Mods Cybin pops in

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: MODERATE and CONSIDERATE moderation it very light-handed and desrireable in the forums

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: these are such loose questionsoffering no basis for an informed answer

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: It's a pain in the tail, and no one appreciates it.

'''<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: IS LIGHT MODERATION ALWAYS BETTER THAN HEAVY MODERATION @#*& YES or &*^$# NO'''

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: there is a purpose for the cornfield

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Yes!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Very light, yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: LIGHT, YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Feline Slade: Yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Soen Eber: YES DEFINATELY

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Light moderation is ideal.

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay that one was easy lol

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Riseon Kosten: @#*& YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Middle path.

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: pie

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Fair moderation, I would say.

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: define light?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: chaotic good

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Simply someone who can step in and handle things when requested

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Fury Rosewood: yes fair moderation

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: UNDECIDED

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right Talarus

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: light =pie

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: light=oh please stop

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: pecan pie?

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: I would agree with light moderation, but also if needed, heavy with specific people

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: then no

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Sometimes, you have to be the heavy.

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: fair moderation is a win

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: but fair

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: choclate pie

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Bradley Bracken: Yes

'''<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, we seriously have been fine, but we do need someone who can stop the ugly when it gets tooooo ugly'''

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: There are times when one person in a really bad mood, do we punished them forevr for just that one rant?

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Flan

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: agreed HOney

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: agreed HoneyBear

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I have seen very little that mute wouldn't moderate

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: like afformention jira person

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: I also agree with Honeybear

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: The forums have been unmoderated for months, and really, there have been few issues that weren't resolved by the community

'''<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: So it's almost 5 and I don't want to keep anyone that has to be somewhere so THANK YOU FOR COMING.....but I'll stick around for a bit and we can keep going'''

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Soen Eber: it could even be semi-moderated - voting buttons would only page a mod, instead of actually doing something -

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: The necessity is, to borrow from elemental ideals, water.

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Chris there are certain threads that should have been locked ages ago

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: define too ugly?

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because this is a good group....this kind of feedback is always very helpful to me

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: HB - they have not been unmoderated, but very lightly modded

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Vicious personal attacks Driftwood

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i like the soen suggestin revoting on stuff fo rmoderation

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Agreed Mari

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: tenshi?

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I usually disagreed with them being locked.

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Blue, it needs to be stated clearly how these various resources affect or don't affect one's inworld account

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: someone mentioned resident court of appeals........i don't think setting up resident court is do-able....

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I've sen Strife, Millie, and Cybin close a thread or two, in severe cases

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: shopping cart disco

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: How is spam taken care of on the forums now?

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: extremely lightly Mari ;)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, did you see my comments before about the JIRA changes that are being worked on and how that may be a good test for resident semi-controlled systems?

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I think a Linden court of appeals makes more sense.

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but i think a moderation policy should have an Ombudsman

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: lol....we yell them down Tech

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I don't think a Resident court would be fair

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: nods.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I agree put it in the cornfield

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah...sorry I missed that one

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Unless you get Judge Judy

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Personally, I would love to have threads which give the thread starter control of when to lock them. That can be useful.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Nika, will people trust a Linden court more than a resident court?

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what kind of self-control Gordon?

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: "its time for the Peoples court

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Yes.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: oh, that would be nice Talarus

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: If LL has any openings for ombudsmen, let me know so I can update the resume

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i don't think they would trust resident any more than Linden

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: The Second People's Court

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: being able to lock my own thread....awesome

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Does Judge Judy even HAVE an email address, let alone an avatar?

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: blue: on the tech side, how are the stress tests doing? ppl have found lots of chinks in the usability

''A couple yes ....[http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-982 http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-982] -blue''

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: yes

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: That's a good idea Talarus

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Perfect example of a thread that should have been locked: http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=321832

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: maybe Linden Lab could have rndom Jury Duy

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: to the first on

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: The Lindens are the only ones who can lift a suspension or ban, therefore one must be able to appeal to them.

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: *random

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: You ask your question or make your point, and once it turns into "just ignore this and let it die", you can close it.

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ahhh, interesting Talarus....

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: That's why Judge Judy would be fair

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Yes, agreed

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Jury Duty... eeek lag

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: let thread creator lock thread

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: thats what lolcats are for

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: YES~!

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: kara, stress tests on what in particular?

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, definitely

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: she doesn't understand technology

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: the new clearspace blogs, or on current forums?

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: It's a feature in the latest vBulletin, though, so you will hate it, Blue. :P

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i would assume that's not out of the question.....

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah really

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Oh thread creator = ability to lock thread is great

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I think she does she says she doesn't

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Talarus

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: actually it sounds okay to me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: There have been a couple of instances where my threads got derailed badly and I just wanted them stopped

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: why cant we use an updated vbulletin?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Nikole Veeper: Hey Eeryone

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Btw, is there any way to get the forums to display properlly on a wide screen monitor? The current narrow colume make it hard to read at times.

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Is that possible for the creator to lock their thread?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: and there Thunder, is the burning question

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: on the blog software, there was an earlier post about a stress test going on

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: well- while i agree with tht- the lock thing- i can see the Undead Thread wd have died an early death

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Alexa Linden knows more than she's announced so far but I gather with the KB2Wiki transfer some articles may be switching to a revision control system where kb article revisions would have to be vetted before changes were published, I gather that the power to do that and a few other housekeeping tasks are being considered being given to a small but expanding group of residents who help out on the wiki. I know Zai Lynch, and Strife Onizuka were at least asked for names that they'd recommend so I'm guessing they're names are on teh list

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, why CAN'T we stay with the existing forums, but upgraded?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: hear hear Honey!

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: that is truly the preference among the regulars

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: tht was mhy original quesiton when i arrived

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: keep but update

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki><nowiki>Kara Spengler: [of course, that could have just been a joke about the fact that the AC thread was probably going to get really big really fast]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Gordon, that sounds rumory to me @_@

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: The first part is true

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Because "that's not in our plans", HoneyBear. :-/

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: HoneyBear, I'm not sure when the decision was made....

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Was at Torley's office hours thing this morning

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: There will be resi mods for the wiki

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, come on....decisions can be reversed *koff...homesteads*

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blue, can it be unmade?

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Gordon - sounds better than that "Apple buying LL" rumor I heard today

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Malarthi, one sec and I'll give you the blog link and the wiki link where the convo asking for names took place

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I think the idea had been to find a system with more control over the ability for LL to create requested features

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: But as best I can tell resi mods can't create other resi mods

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: The new software is rather buggy, I've had more firefox crashes with that than anything else

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Nikole Veeper: we

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: ..and everyone knows, once LL makes their plans, nothing but nothing will change significantly. >.>

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: But we love the forums as they are :(

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: apple buying ll would be good sort of

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: from what I can tell, clearspace allows for a lot more upgradability

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge agrees

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I know HoneyBear.....

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: Whatever else you do, please limit the length of forum posts. I like informaton, not novels. :s

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Gordon, I'm staying out of this one. I'm tossing ideas from the sidelines.

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: It just feels like so much is being taken from us, the residents

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki><nowiki>Inara Pey: [17:01] Ciaran Laval: The new software is rather buggy, I've had more firefox crashes with that than anything else - ditto</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: the sad thing is though we can move en masse

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Limiting post length is kinda silly.

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but so does vbulletin thats was slu uses

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Hey now, sometimes I gotta write a novel

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: we wd lose the influx of new blood

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: There is a Jira for the bugs wrt Firefox and the current blog

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: and most of the residents of the fourms

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: do not feel welcome at slu anyway

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Limit to 3 characters, please.

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i would like to think that LL isn't going to do anything to reduce the fuction of the forums.....but moving always sucks

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Well, beyond a certain limit, it gets to be a technical issue.

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Soen Eber: well there are a lot of tested forum platforms that allow flexibility, why go with something that's untested?

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: I can't stand the Jira

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Every post can consist of "LOL"

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Mal

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: aol

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blog post: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/support/blog/2009/05/26/announcing-the-knowledge-base-wiki-pilot

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: 140

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: aok*

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Recommendations for wiki superusers thread

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zai_Lynch/Talkpage_Archive_03#Recommendations_for_wiki_superusers

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Nika, apparently having various firefox extensions running will cause it to crash.

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I was wrong btw, it was torley not alexa

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: ie the calab hates everyone

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I've beenpracticing the art of 140 character messages ;P

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: so much change Blue, and it just doesn't feel good for us

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: I can't reply at all with opera on the new blog

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: don't know how I got those mixed up

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: but Ihavent gotten a list of WHAT extensions from Jive

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: nika, do you have that Jira number

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: I like change ^ ^

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Uhh.. Blue.. going from vBulletin to Clearspace or whatever that blog discussion thing is most DEFINITELY "loss of functionality".

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Rinoa, how much time do you spend in the forum? ㋡

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: just depends on the change

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: I've got the links in my log Gordon, can I get back to you?

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge believes rinoa is insane, no one likes change

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Malarthi, np

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Thunderclap, only thing that's constant.

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Change is good.

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe, Second Life is always changing, which definitely can make you nervous....

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's a very dynamic system

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: no much on SL's forum.. but I do use a lot of forums

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: A large number of the people here today use the forums on a very consistent, daily basis

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: especially pennies nickles and dimes

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: we moderate ourselves

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but the very important things that meant so much to me when i started 6 years ago as a resident have not changed

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: we help others

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: the wiki link is Torley asking Zai for names and Strife adding in as well, the blog link is teh announcement and keeps being updated as things move

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Yea if don't like our neighbor just wait a few months... it all changes

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: SL residents HELP EACH OTHER

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: JIRA: WEB-982 i believe

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are PASSIONATE

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are insanely CREATIVE

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and they're often super silly

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki><nowiki>Jira Issue Finder [WEB-982]: Problems for blogs.secondlife.com</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki><nowiki>Jira Issue Finder [WEB-982]: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:53:56 -0800 (PST)</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki><nowiki>Jira Issue Finder [WEB-982]: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-982</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki><nowiki>Jira Issue Finder [WEB-982]: The blog hung after posting, twice. Firefox/Mac. Just get a blank page back with "Done" in the status line. </nowiki>I think the fancy Javascript is probably responsible. It looks nifty to have turn right into a smiley, and so on, but it doesn't really provide significant benefits. Simplify simplify simplify. Additional problems: the frame vanished from around the comments, had to force reload to get it back. More appended in comments.

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: hehe

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: yes, this is true, but putting us into that format, doesn't look helpful

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: except every few years LL tris to kill the forum

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: They like PIE

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I love you Blue

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: and will make us less passionate

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: none of that has changed one bit

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, have you been blogging your travels for all 6 years?

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: But the Cake is a Lie!

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Yeah, but a lot of that is going away with the adult content policy. People can't get to the gulag to help one another.

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: I can say for certain, the cake is NOT a lie.

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: great, thank you for Jira link

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: wyn I have a shirt that says that

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Blue the changes are why we are looking at the negative here not positives

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: oh sod off with adult content... this is about the forums

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: yw

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: no Gordon I haven't

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: in fact, I had cake today. :)

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Well, the Lindens haven't always tried to kill the forums, sometimes they just hope they'll die on their own...

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Nika Talaj makes a note to walk down the street to Jive and get them to move on their Firefox issues.

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, if you missed them I dropped in the blog and wiki links above

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: LOL

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Then Blue shouldn't segue, Oryx. :P

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: although you may want to wait to check them later

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: But Oryx? It's the quest way to a Godwin ever!

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks very much Gordon :)

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: maybe your cake but THE cake is always a lie thats rule 22

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel whips off her pants and waves them in salute

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: that's gonna get you sent to the adult continent Oryx

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Add 1 to 22 = 23

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: (that was a Forum joke)

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: anyway when it comes to upgrades I would still want to see more linkage to the SL world ... forums just seem somewhere else when I'm here... they could so easily be intergrated into the profiles at least

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: O.o! Forum joke! All the Lindens in the room, cover your eyes!

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh, by the way....have I mentioned that I LURVE my office hour?

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: But we have to keep trying till we run out of cake

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I don't WANT my SL profile in the forums.....grrrrrr

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks very much for coming you guys, it's always really interesting

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Dances, at least the science gets done.

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Blue - don't lurve it too much, or the blue chair goes to Zindra

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Yeah

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: make blonden the new commdirector

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: actually this is WAAAAY better than Blondin's. Poor Blondin.

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe....well, i hadn't heard anyone hating on the idea before now HoneyBear....and we'll keep talking about options

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith ponders looking at HoneyBear's profile "Is it naughty?"

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: hes hated already

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: either though a forum upgrade or someone who knows greasemonkey what I'd kill for is quick link parsing for JIRA issues in the forums

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: but the neat guns keep breaking

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I don't think you can redesignate Grasmere as "Adult"

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: pay me enough to stay home and I'll become commdirector

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: NO, Thunderclap! He's been a boon to Bay City, an we dun wanna let him go!

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Mari

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: When will the new Forums be ready for beta, Blue?

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: lol

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: And can we sign up?

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Two Weeks (tm)

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Can I get back to you with that? :)

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: Blue - you should come hang out in the forums for awhile- get a good feel fo it

''Only been reading them for 6 years now ;D -blue''

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, have you been trying out the answers system at all yet?

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: "we're working on it"

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: so u know what it is we are defending

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden doesnt promise dates unless I know for sure.

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Meh. Blondin brought it on himself.

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Two Weeks™

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Lol! Can't blame a girl for trying, Gaya!

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Why not just go with an opensource forum technology and wait for the users tocontribute needed improvements?

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki><nowiki>Marianne McCann: [RESOLVED][UPDATED]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Nika, we're kind of playing with the Discussion format now.....but we won't have any actual date for a bit I don't think

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Do the forums have polls?

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Keep working on it for a couple of years

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what Gayathri said :D

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Ciaran

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Techwolf, yes

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: Blue: this is a nice time for it .... as soon as I can make the mental leap to there finally being *two* Linden OH that are not during the east coast work day :)

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: Ive seen polish people on it

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: o.O

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha Kara.....mine and Blondins?

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki><nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: <---polish</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: yeah, I wish they didn't overlap

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki><nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth is sad he's going to miss Blue's office hours starting in a couple weeks >.<</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Blondin needs a better time. Overlapping Michael and Bloo dun help me none

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: POlish people are so shiney :D

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: the secondlife forums, a more wretched hive of scum and villany you will never find, we must be cautious

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Need to get Blondin to start a half hour earlier, or you start a half hour lter

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Nika Talaj works on her plot to contribute enough ideas to the Forum beta that they'll never launch.

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: later

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Gordon

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: hey!

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: Gordon tell us how you really feel LOL

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: take care Talarus

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: LOL Talarus

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: you need to make blionden have 2 hours

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: or Nika

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: good work Nika lol

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: got confsued

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oops....nm

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: That should have read *later

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Inara Pey: Thank you, Obi-Wan Wendt! ;)

User:Blue Linden/Office Hours/Wednesday

2009-08-18T20:54:27Z

Blue Linden:

{{hCalendar event/Office Hours
|mode={{{mode|}}}
|Resident=Blue Linden
|weekday=Wednesday
|start=4pm {{SLT}}
|end=5pm {{SLT}}
|description=
Topics:
* Oh you know...stuff and things. Lately we talk about blogs and communication tools quite a bit.
* [[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts|Transcripts of Office Hours Past]]
''Protesters Welcome!''
|location=[http://slurl.com/secondlife/Grasmere/67/156/23?title=Linden%20Village Visit Blue's Office (chair)]
}}

Dashboard

2009-07-06T19:27:09Z

Blue Linden: /* 525 FAQ */

== 525 FAQ ==

'''Q''' - Beta, huh? What exactly does that mean?

'''A''' - This is a not-quite-finished redesign of the Second Life website. The beta testing process will help us sort out a few bugs, finalize a few launch features, and of course, we'd like to give you the ability to send us your feedback.

'''Q''' - Why are you redesigning the website?

'''A''' -The new site works as part of a system that allows more cross-functionality with Second Life, XStreet, the blogs, and the web as a whole. This is the foundation that will allow us to provide you with a more integrated experience.

'''Q''' - How long is beta testing going to take?

'''A''' - Expect to see the site launch in mid-July.

'''Q''' - Who can participate in the beta? Everyone?

'''A''' - Currently Beta is limited...not everyone will see the beta banner on the current site.
[[File:Beta_Banner.jpg]]

If you'd like to participate, click the banner when you see it on the front of the Second Life website.

'''Q''' - Why does it look so different from the Second Life viewer?

'''A''' - We are striving to provide consistency across both the viewer and the website. [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/06/12/viewer-2009 Viewer 2.0] will feature a similar design sense as well as better grouping of tools to make it both easier to use and easier on the eye.

'''Q''' - Why did you choose these specific elements?

'''A''' - We collected the most often used and functional aspects of the website on the Dashboard so you can see which of your friends are online, what your last purchase was, and how much L$ you currently have, as well as the latest blog posts, video tutorials, and grid status reports. Over time you can expect new widgets and functionality.

'''Q''' - If this is "My Dashboard" shouldn't I be able to customize it?

'''A''' - You should...and you will! Initially, however, some features will be limited; the layout and widgets aren't currently customizable. Eventually, you'll be able to prioritize the feeds and tools that are most important to you.

'''Q''' - I run a business in SL and depend on the website to track transactions. Is this change going to affect me?

'''A''' - All the functionality you depend on is still there, including Transaction (L$) and Account (USD$) Histories. You'll also find convenient reporting on your groups, parcels, and estates, as well as quick links to all your XStreet business.

'''Q''' - There are tools for Merchants and Landlords, what about educators, solution providers, promoters and the host of other business people inworld?

'''A''' - Over time, we'll expand the collection of widgets available, and provide the ability to bring content directly from the web to allow you to fully tailor your experience to your needs.

'''Q''' - Why does the map on My Dashboard work better than the one inworld?

'''A''' - It really does work wonderfully, doesn't it? That's the map upgrade Philip created for [[Snowglobe]]. It'll be the default map inworld as well, someday.

'''Q''' - I have some suggestions that would make this better, do you want to hear them?

'''A''' - We sure do! Click the "Please send us your feedback" to let us know what you think! If you have additional feedback, please email blue@lindenlab.com

'''Q''' - I think I found a bug, how do I report it?

'''A''' - Thanks for helping! Please Create a pJira task in the project: [http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/DASH SL Dashboard Beta] and describe the problem, including any info you believe to be relevant, like the make and model of your browser.

'''Q''' - I think I'm done playing around with My Dashboard, and would like to return to the "old" look and feel of the Second Life website. How do I do that?

'''A''' - To return to the look and feel of the Second Life website that you're used to, log out of secondlife.com and log back in again.

Second Life 6th Birthday

2009-06-29T17:08:01Z

Blue Linden:

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==Watching Philip's Speech==
Philip Linden will provide some closing remarks at the Second Life 6th Birthday celebration on June 29 at 11 am SLT with a speech from the SL6B main stage. There is limited seating available, so if you are unable to access the stage you have a couple other options.

To watch on the web, head your browser to http://www.treet.tv/live.

You can also get a free Treet TV for your home from [https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1479491 XStreet], or visit Treet's [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Northpoint/211/142/32 Northpoint Studio] in Second Life and pick one up there. Deed the TV to your land and away you go. The SL6B opening remarks will be on the Live channel.

There will also be some Treet TV monitors set up in SL6B Android and SL6B Futurist, and SB6B Hologram for your watching pleasure.

SL6B Main Stage:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/34/228/46

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Void/231/224/46

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Hologram/29/27/46

Overflow Locations:

Android Stage, http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Android/127/127/29

Futurist Stage, http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Futurist/13/121/24

Synchronity Amphitheater http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Hologram/198/105/40

PLEASE NOTE: This is NOT your last chance to see SL6B. The gates will be open for another week for your exploration!!

==Happy Birthday Everyone!==

June 23, 2009— marks 6 FULL years of Second Life. To celebrate 6, and our passage into year 7, your fellow Residents have been busy for months, planning a 20-Region party around the theme "The Future of Virtual Worlds". Come by after 10 am SLT, as they turn on the lights and throw open the doors. Philip Linden will start the event at 10 with a talk at the main stage. And the exhibitors have a lot to show you. See what they think the future will be like! They've created a burned-up meteor called Dallier's Hope with hundreds of exhibits awaiting your exploration, from the hilarious to the deeply thought-provoking. http://tr.im/SL6Bexhibits

Hundreds of events are planned as well: great music, panel discussions, demonstrations, tours, treasure hunts and more. http://tr.im/SL6Bevents

The party runs through June 30, with a closing speech by Philip on June 29 at 11 am SLT. Mankind Tracer, Resident Choice Award Winner will kick off the exhibition on the 23rd. Internationally renowned band SpaceJunky will close the event with a 2 hour concert.

We hope to see you pop in at one of the points below.

The Paradox Main Landing Point & Cloning Station

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox126/127/194

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox128/98/187

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox104/128/188

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox128/152/187

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox151/128/188

If it's too crowded there, here are some other good starting points:

[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Cryo/14/207/42 Cryo Information Station]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Titan/128/247/41 Titan Information Station]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/98/25/23 Volunteer Headquarters]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/1/178/56 Main Stage]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Android/127/127/29 Android Stage]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Futurist/13/121/24 Futurist Stage]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Hologram/198/105/40 Nexus Amphitheater]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Cryo/70/143/23 Linden Time Capsule]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Callisto/123/133/32 Machinima Podism]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Nucleus/125/128/23 Observation Tower]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Integer/124/133/22 SL6B Birthday Cake]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Polaris/126/84/23 The Last Rainmaker]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/148/142/21 UFO Crash Site]

==About The Theme==

We are LIVE from Dallier's Hope, 800 Light Years away we are spiraling through outer space on a Meteor disovered by Space Explorer Ghorman Dallier in 2499 while searching for new worlds to inhabit! Although we're too far away from the sun to see it and any flora has to be kept in an AEC (Artificial Environment Chamber.) we still know how to throw a party!

The future is open to all sorts of interpretation, and to encompass the future, we looked to the past. In the beginning of Second Life, pioneering residents looked over this vast, empty landscape that was full of potential and promise. Everything was new to everyone, the concept of virtual worlds, the way we would adapt to custom content, how we would use the tools provided to us and incorporate our own vision was all still yet to be discovered. It all began with an great open space, and the inspiration provided by the seemingly simple idea "Your World, Your Imagination."

Six years later that world is merely a memory as time has moved at warp speed with the advancements of technology and adaptability of the platform. A few hundred users quickly became over a million. It has become a staple in education and commerce on a global scale. Never could have those early residents of that vast open world predict how Second Life would evolve.

With that in mind, we took our Exhibitors far away from the green grasses and sandy beaches of their Second Life Grid and sent them into the stratosphere as the first colony of Dallier's Hope. A vast, open landscape waiting to be developed by the first new residents of the future of Virtual Worlds. What becomes of this great "Rock" remains entirely up to them, how they adapt and harness the power of their imagination to make something from next to nothing as they share their personal visions of what they believe the future holds.

==Exhibitor Directory==
http://tr.im/SL6Bexhibits

==Events Calendar==
http://tr.im/SL6Bevents

==Event Blog==
Read the Dallier's Hope Messenger for the latest news from "The Rock". http://dalliershope.wordpress.com/

==Event Policies==

===Maturity Rating===
In order to ensure a comfortable experience for every Resident, the whole of the event will be accessible to general audiences. The Second Life 6th Birthday Celebration takes place on the main Second Life Grid and is for Adults 18 years and older. The following guidelines are in effect, and are the same PG guidelines we followed last year:

"PG Areas are designated to be free from sexually explicit language or behavior, swearing and other forms of aggressive language, violent behavior and/or imagery, including horror. Gambling for Linden Dollars is also prohibited." This is taken from the Knowledgebase Article found [https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=3954 here].

Linden Lab and the Resident Organizers reserve the right to determine when an edge case is no longer appropriate.

Exhibitors may provide landmarks to Mature regions, provided they are properly marked as Mature.

===Exhibit Policies===

* No megaprims are allowed at Linden-Sponsored Events.
* No sales or soliciting of donations- freebies are okay as are landmarks to external areas.
* No hate-oriented material.
* No copyright or trademark infringement (includes real life or virtual name brands, logos, sounds or graphics that aren't owned by exhibitor.)
* Prim limits are according to plot size requested and will be enforced.
* 1 Exhibit per resident/group
* Landmarks, Web content or Links provided must be relevant to the exhibit or exhibitor.
* We expect every exhibitor and attendee to adhere to the standard Second Life Terms of Service.
* Opt-in (clickable) notecard givers are acceptable. Notecard givers that spam an avatar upon arrival are NOT permitted.

==Important Dates==
* May 6- Applications open
* May 20- Applications closed
* May 21- Applications review begins
* June 3- Accepted Exhibitors notified (date revised!)
* June 5- Building may begin (date revised!)
* June 12- Applications re-opened
* June 15- Applications re-closed
* June 20- Wave one Exhibitors complete exhibition builds
* June 21- Tech Rehearsal, Infrastructure builds completed
* June 22- Wave 2 Exhibitors complete exhibition builds.
* June 22- 11:59pm SLT, regions close for maintenance in preparation for opening ceremonies.
* June 23- Gates open to the Public for the opening ceremonies at 10am SLT. Scripts and build disabled throughout estates for duration of ceremonies to discourage instances of lag and disruption. They will be turned back on after the opening speech.
* June 29- Official closing ceremony
* June 30- Final day of Entertainment
* July 6- Gates close

==Performer Information==
If you would like to DJ at SL6b, please use [http://tr.im/sl6bDJ this form] to tell us about yourself and your availability! Live performers may IM Glimmer Silverstar for information.

==Builder Information==

===Builder Policy===

*Zero Tolerance for Drama. The volunteer staff of Second Life 6th Birthday are here to help you with reasonable requests for assistance with your build. They are not being paid to be abused, called names, or manipulated for your personal ends. Please be courteous to these fellow residents who are giving their time for the community. '''Any builders habitually harassing staff will be removed from the event.
'''

*You will need to set all items to SECOND LIFE BIRTHDAY EXHIBITORS Group or they will auto return after 1 minute.

*If you do not receive an invitation to the Second Life Birthday Exhibitors group in a timely fashion, please leave a message in the general SECOND LIFE BIRTHDAY group requesting help from an Exhibitor Assistant. The Exhibitor Assistants are here to help get you acclimated, as well as make sure you and your building team have invites.

*Your Exhibitor Assistant will also remind you of the policies and protocols and inform you who your Region Coordinator is in the instance you need help with other, more elaborate issues. The Exhibitor Assistants will be able to answer all of your questions.

*By building at SL6B you are agreeing to keep your displays PG. Of course, that means things like Nudity or violence are not acceptable. Linden Lab reserves the right to determine the limits of nudity or violence, and may ask you to adjust your entries accordingly.

*Selling is prohibited, however, freebies are fine. Additionally, displays should have actual content, not just look like advertisements. This is a non-commercial zone intended to showcase the best ideas, solutions, craftsmanship and community that Second Life residents have to offer.

*Donation Solicitations in any form be it verbally or by Kiosk are prohibited. While we appreciate the efforts residents make to inform, educate and encourage support of charitable causes, this Linden Sponsored Event cannot be used as a vehicle for the procurement of donations for charity. Allowance of such can be misconstrued as a public endorsement and involves a bunch of legalese. While within your exhibit you may provide external links and landmarks to locations that provide an avenue for donations to be made, they may not be made directly from the event fairgrounds in any respect. It is impossible for us to verify the legitimacy of every organization participating.

*Megaprims are prohibited at Linden-Sponsored events.

*SECOND LIFE BIRTHDAY & SECOND LIFE BIRTHDAY EXHIBITORS are groups designed solely for the purpose of streamlining information between staff and the community. In either of those groups, questions can be asked, group invitations may be requested by exhibitors for their team, but idle chat is discouraged. For exhibitors who would like to discuss their exhibits, speak with other exhibitors, share ideas and tips or play games (Yes they even play games - currently the riddle is discerning the meaning of Dallier's Hope!) you can join SL6B Exhibitors if you don't mind general discussion. Remember that is a community channel and discussion should be expected if you join!

*If you have needs that an Exhibitor Assistant cannot take care of - such as terraform issues or land options customization, please refer to your Sim Coordinator for further assistance with such tasks. A list of Sim Coordinators are as follows:

TOXIC MENGES
Aeon
Quantum
Virtuocity
Cryo

TRINITY SERPENTINE
Titan
Void
Uplink
Velocity

POID MAHOVLICH
Atomic
Dimension
Polaris
Callisto

KIT MAITLAND
Nano
Nucleus
Hologram
Portal

JEWELKICKER SPEARMANN
Futurist
Android

*Each plot allows you the standard allotment of prims. Please don't exceed your allotment under any circumstances!

*If you requested a booth space, a booth has been provided for you. If it does not meet your needs, you may have it deleted, but please respect the view of your neighbors when designing your own booths.

*Your display may include a notecard and LM to another location. You may not sell your work here.

*You must be a member of the Second Life Birthday Exhibitors group in order to access The Rock. An effort has been made to group all exhibits by content type. Exhibitor Assistants will have a list available to direct you to your assigned spaces. DO NOT CONTACT YOUR SIM COORDINATOR FOR A GROUP INVITE! They are extremely busy working on other things in an effort to ensure you have the most positive experience possible.

*If you cannot use your space, please IM the group and request help from a Exhibitor Assistant. The Exhibitor Assistant will provide this information to your sim Coordinator.

*Exhibitors have 7 days to claim their land by putting a prim on. June 11th is the last day to claim your land. We will give your land to anther exhibitor on June 12th, if you have not claimed it.

*Please do not ask for an invitation to the group if you are not an exhibitor or assisting an exhibitor. The assistants will be screening all request against a database of applicant names. If you have not been referred by a current exhibitor or have not placed an application that has been received an acceptance letter via email or in-world notecard, you will not be granted access.

==Event Staff==
If you are thinking of volunteering to work at SL6B, read this: The Second Life Birthday Production Team will be a no-drama zone. It's goal-oriented, get-'er-done work, all accomplished behind the scenes. While it's very fun and satisfying, it is no place for a big ego or someone who needs to be the center of attention or in control. It's collaborative. "Team" is a big word around here; be prepared to work with others and be good at reaching a goal, even if it's not the road you might have chosen if working alone!

Administration, Project Management
* Linden Lab Liaison, Dusty Linden
* Phaylen Fairchild

Estate/Build Out/Exhibits
* Event Design, Phaylen Fairchild
* Lead Architect, Prad Prathivi
* Lead Scripter, Brunswick Warburten
* Hunt Scripter, Gypsy Paz
* Estate Comms, Buckaroo Mu
* Sim Coordinators
**Toxic Menges
**Poid Mahovlich
**Kit Maitland
**Trinity Serpentine
*GUS(Galaxies United Security Bot) Builder
**Allatu Augustus
*GUS (Galazies United Securities Bot) Programmer
**Narz Hax
*Exhibitor Orientation
**Kitty Tandino
**Ginger Marseille
**APinkSwan Beauchamp
**Odessa Dagostino
**Diana Renoir
**CallieDel Boa
**Joslyn Bonetto
**Menolly Riederer
**Shi Streeter
**Moira Seelowe
*Official Baker
**Vivianne OFlynn
*Infrastructure Builders
**Phaylen Fairchild
**Allatu Augustus
**Poid Mahovlich
*Infrastructure Contributors
**Kazuhiro Aridian
**GutterBlood Spoonhammer
**Mantis Oh
**Scope Cleaver
**Cube Republic
**Hern Worsley
**Brunswick Warburten
**Spiral Walcher
*Moderators
**Poid Mahovlich
**Doctor Gascoigne
**Marianne Levasseur
**Rails Bailey
**Skye Galileo
**Arian Writer
**Drakon Cortes
**Shawn Masters
**Jezzie McCellan
**Chaos Mohr
**Toxic Menges

Entertainment
* Live Performance Stage, Glimmer Silverstar
* DJ Stages, Jewelkicker Spearmann
** Gage Goodliffe

Publicity
*Baz Ceawlin
*Katier Reitveld
*Catherine Linden
*Blondin Linden

Community Services
*Mentor Coordinator
**Doctor Gascoigne

==Event Group==
If you would like to keep informed, please join the group "Second Life Birthday" in-world. That will be our primary means of internal communication with the community. Externally, please keep watching the blog for news updates, and this wiki as an information repository.

==Announcing SL6B, June 23 — June 29, 2009==

On June 23, 2009, Second Life turns 6 years old. Hey! This is your second half-decade! Now you're *so* much more sophisticated than 5, but still hovering near the oven, anxious to devour the cake, and wondering what 6 has in store for you. Or, for that matter, what about 7? 10? 15? Where do the years go, anyway?

Since you're never content with things as they are, the event this year is a challenge to Residents: show how you intend to make things in 5, 10 or 100 years. The Birthday theme this year is '''The Future of Virtual Worlds''' and we're betting you have some pretty awesome visions to share of the future you're building here. How will Virtual Worlds work? How will they look? How will they be part of everyday life? How will we learn, socialize and evolve in them? How will they affect your beliefs, and be affected by your actions?

[[Image:SL6BFINALLOGOcr.jpg]]

Once again, Linden Lab has set aside 20 regions for the Birthday celebration, and Residents are building their particular future to share with you. The event infrastructure is nearly complete, and it looks great. It's a little dark, and a little shiny. It's a little inspiring, and a little dystopian. It's decidedly 3- dimensional. Think in light. Think in concept. Look up. Look under. Look in and listen closely.

Applications to build an exhibit are now closed. We will be reviewing all submitted applications next, and hope to have announcements going out to accepted exhibitors by June 1. Exhibitors will have a full 2 or 3 weeks on-site to build. The event will open June 23, and officially run for a week, (though we will keep the gates open for a week beyond that so that plenty of people can come by for a visit).

==Watching Philip's Speech==
Philip Linden will be opening the Second Life 6th Birthday celebration June 23 at 10 am SLT with a speech from the SL6B main stage. There is limited seating available, so if you are unable to access the stage you have a couple other options.

To watch on the web, head your browser to http://www.treet.tv/live.

You can also get a free Treet TV for your home from [https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1479491 XStreet], or visit Treet's [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Northpoint/211/142/32 Northpoint Studio] in Second Life and pick one up there. Deed the TV to your land and away you go. The SL6B opening remarks will be on the Live channel.

There will also be some Treet TV monitors set up in SL6B Android and SL6B Futurist for your watching pleasure. Grab some coffee and donuts, and bring enough for the rest of the crowd!

SL6B Main Stage:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/34/228/46

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Void/231/224/46

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Hologram/29/27/46

==Historical Links==
{{SLB nav}}

[[Image:Sl6bphoto3.jpg‎]]

Second Life 6th Birthday

2009-06-29T17:07:39Z

Blue Linden:

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[10:05:56 AM] dustylinden: ==Watching Philip's Speech==
Philip Linden will provide some closing remarks at the Second Life 6th Birthday celebration on June 29 at 11 am SLT with a speech from the SL6B main stage. There is limited seating available, so if you are unable to access the stage you have a couple other options.

To watch on the web, head your browser to http://www.treet.tv/live.

You can also get a free Treet TV for your home from [https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1479491 XStreet], or visit Treet's [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Northpoint/211/142/32 Northpoint Studio] in Second Life and pick one up there. Deed the TV to your land and away you go. The SL6B opening remarks will be on the Live channel.

There will also be some Treet TV monitors set up in SL6B Android and SL6B Futurist, and SB6B Hologram for your watching pleasure.

SL6B Main Stage:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/34/228/46

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Void/231/224/46

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Hologram/29/27/46

Overflow Locations:

Android Stage, http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Android/127/127/29

Futurist Stage, http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Futurist/13/121/24

Synchronity Amphitheater http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Hologram/198/105/40

PLEASE NOTE: This is NOT your last chance to see SL6B. The gates will be open for another week for your exploration!!

==Happy Birthday Everyone!==

June 23, 2009— marks 6 FULL years of Second Life. To celebrate 6, and our passage into year 7, your fellow Residents have been busy for months, planning a 20-Region party around the theme "The Future of Virtual Worlds". Come by after 10 am SLT, as they turn on the lights and throw open the doors. Philip Linden will start the event at 10 with a talk at the main stage. And the exhibitors have a lot to show you. See what they think the future will be like! They've created a burned-up meteor called Dallier's Hope with hundreds of exhibits awaiting your exploration, from the hilarious to the deeply thought-provoking. http://tr.im/SL6Bexhibits

Hundreds of events are planned as well: great music, panel discussions, demonstrations, tours, treasure hunts and more. http://tr.im/SL6Bevents

The party runs through June 30, with a closing speech by Philip on June 29 at 11 am SLT. Mankind Tracer, Resident Choice Award Winner will kick off the exhibition on the 23rd. Internationally renowned band SpaceJunky will close the event with a 2 hour concert.

We hope to see you pop in at one of the points below.

The Paradox Main Landing Point & Cloning Station

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox126/127/194

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox128/98/187

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox104/128/188

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox128/152/187

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20The%20Paradox151/128/188

If it's too crowded there, here are some other good starting points:

[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Cryo/14/207/42 Cryo Information Station]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Titan/128/247/41 Titan Information Station]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/98/25/23 Volunteer Headquarters]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/1/178/56 Main Stage]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Android/127/127/29 Android Stage]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Futurist/13/121/24 Futurist Stage]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Hologram/198/105/40 Nexus Amphitheater]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Cryo/70/143/23 Linden Time Capsule]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Callisto/123/133/32 Machinima Podism]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Nucleus/125/128/23 Observation Tower]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Integer/124/133/22 SL6B Birthday Cake]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Polaris/126/84/23 The Last Rainmaker]
[http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/148/142/21 UFO Crash Site]

==About The Theme==

We are LIVE from Dallier's Hope, 800 Light Years away we are spiraling through outer space on a Meteor disovered by Space Explorer Ghorman Dallier in 2499 while searching for new worlds to inhabit! Although we're too far away from the sun to see it and any flora has to be kept in an AEC (Artificial Environment Chamber.) we still know how to throw a party!

The future is open to all sorts of interpretation, and to encompass the future, we looked to the past. In the beginning of Second Life, pioneering residents looked over this vast, empty landscape that was full of potential and promise. Everything was new to everyone, the concept of virtual worlds, the way we would adapt to custom content, how we would use the tools provided to us and incorporate our own vision was all still yet to be discovered. It all began with an great open space, and the inspiration provided by the seemingly simple idea "Your World, Your Imagination."

Six years later that world is merely a memory as time has moved at warp speed with the advancements of technology and adaptability of the platform. A few hundred users quickly became over a million. It has become a staple in education and commerce on a global scale. Never could have those early residents of that vast open world predict how Second Life would evolve.

With that in mind, we took our Exhibitors far away from the green grasses and sandy beaches of their Second Life Grid and sent them into the stratosphere as the first colony of Dallier's Hope. A vast, open landscape waiting to be developed by the first new residents of the future of Virtual Worlds. What becomes of this great "Rock" remains entirely up to them, how they adapt and harness the power of their imagination to make something from next to nothing as they share their personal visions of what they believe the future holds.

==Exhibitor Directory==
http://tr.im/SL6Bexhibits

==Events Calendar==
http://tr.im/SL6Bevents

==Event Blog==
Read the Dallier's Hope Messenger for the latest news from "The Rock". http://dalliershope.wordpress.com/

==Event Policies==

===Maturity Rating===
In order to ensure a comfortable experience for every Resident, the whole of the event will be accessible to general audiences. The Second Life 6th Birthday Celebration takes place on the main Second Life Grid and is for Adults 18 years and older. The following guidelines are in effect, and are the same PG guidelines we followed last year:

"PG Areas are designated to be free from sexually explicit language or behavior, swearing and other forms of aggressive language, violent behavior and/or imagery, including horror. Gambling for Linden Dollars is also prohibited." This is taken from the Knowledgebase Article found [https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=3954 here].

Linden Lab and the Resident Organizers reserve the right to determine when an edge case is no longer appropriate.

Exhibitors may provide landmarks to Mature regions, provided they are properly marked as Mature.

===Exhibit Policies===

* No megaprims are allowed at Linden-Sponsored Events.
* No sales or soliciting of donations- freebies are okay as are landmarks to external areas.
* No hate-oriented material.
* No copyright or trademark infringement (includes real life or virtual name brands, logos, sounds or graphics that aren't owned by exhibitor.)
* Prim limits are according to plot size requested and will be enforced.
* 1 Exhibit per resident/group
* Landmarks, Web content or Links provided must be relevant to the exhibit or exhibitor.
* We expect every exhibitor and attendee to adhere to the standard Second Life Terms of Service.
* Opt-in (clickable) notecard givers are acceptable. Notecard givers that spam an avatar upon arrival are NOT permitted.

==Important Dates==
* May 6- Applications open
* May 20- Applications closed
* May 21- Applications review begins
* June 3- Accepted Exhibitors notified (date revised!)
* June 5- Building may begin (date revised!)
* June 12- Applications re-opened
* June 15- Applications re-closed
* June 20- Wave one Exhibitors complete exhibition builds
* June 21- Tech Rehearsal, Infrastructure builds completed
* June 22- Wave 2 Exhibitors complete exhibition builds.
* June 22- 11:59pm SLT, regions close for maintenance in preparation for opening ceremonies.
* June 23- Gates open to the Public for the opening ceremonies at 10am SLT. Scripts and build disabled throughout estates for duration of ceremonies to discourage instances of lag and disruption. They will be turned back on after the opening speech.
* June 29- Official closing ceremony
* June 30- Final day of Entertainment
* July 6- Gates close

==Performer Information==
If you would like to DJ at SL6b, please use [http://tr.im/sl6bDJ this form] to tell us about yourself and your availability! Live performers may IM Glimmer Silverstar for information.

==Builder Information==

===Builder Policy===

*Zero Tolerance for Drama. The volunteer staff of Second Life 6th Birthday are here to help you with reasonable requests for assistance with your build. They are not being paid to be abused, called names, or manipulated for your personal ends. Please be courteous to these fellow residents who are giving their time for the community. '''Any builders habitually harassing staff will be removed from the event.
'''

*You will need to set all items to SECOND LIFE BIRTHDAY EXHIBITORS Group or they will auto return after 1 minute.

*If you do not receive an invitation to the Second Life Birthday Exhibitors group in a timely fashion, please leave a message in the general SECOND LIFE BIRTHDAY group requesting help from an Exhibitor Assistant. The Exhibitor Assistants are here to help get you acclimated, as well as make sure you and your building team have invites.

*Your Exhibitor Assistant will also remind you of the policies and protocols and inform you who your Region Coordinator is in the instance you need help with other, more elaborate issues. The Exhibitor Assistants will be able to answer all of your questions.

*By building at SL6B you are agreeing to keep your displays PG. Of course, that means things like Nudity or violence are not acceptable. Linden Lab reserves the right to determine the limits of nudity or violence, and may ask you to adjust your entries accordingly.

*Selling is prohibited, however, freebies are fine. Additionally, displays should have actual content, not just look like advertisements. This is a non-commercial zone intended to showcase the best ideas, solutions, craftsmanship and community that Second Life residents have to offer.

*Donation Solicitations in any form be it verbally or by Kiosk are prohibited. While we appreciate the efforts residents make to inform, educate and encourage support of charitable causes, this Linden Sponsored Event cannot be used as a vehicle for the procurement of donations for charity. Allowance of such can be misconstrued as a public endorsement and involves a bunch of legalese. While within your exhibit you may provide external links and landmarks to locations that provide an avenue for donations to be made, they may not be made directly from the event fairgrounds in any respect. It is impossible for us to verify the legitimacy of every organization participating.

*Megaprims are prohibited at Linden-Sponsored events.

*SECOND LIFE BIRTHDAY & SECOND LIFE BIRTHDAY EXHIBITORS are groups designed solely for the purpose of streamlining information between staff and the community. In either of those groups, questions can be asked, group invitations may be requested by exhibitors for their team, but idle chat is discouraged. For exhibitors who would like to discuss their exhibits, speak with other exhibitors, share ideas and tips or play games (Yes they even play games - currently the riddle is discerning the meaning of Dallier's Hope!) you can join SL6B Exhibitors if you don't mind general discussion. Remember that is a community channel and discussion should be expected if you join!

*If you have needs that an Exhibitor Assistant cannot take care of - such as terraform issues or land options customization, please refer to your Sim Coordinator for further assistance with such tasks. A list of Sim Coordinators are as follows:

TOXIC MENGES
Aeon
Quantum
Virtuocity
Cryo

TRINITY SERPENTINE
Titan
Void
Uplink
Velocity

POID MAHOVLICH
Atomic
Dimension
Polaris
Callisto

KIT MAITLAND
Nano
Nucleus
Hologram
Portal

JEWELKICKER SPEARMANN
Futurist
Android

*Each plot allows you the standard allotment of prims. Please don't exceed your allotment under any circumstances!

*If you requested a booth space, a booth has been provided for you. If it does not meet your needs, you may have it deleted, but please respect the view of your neighbors when designing your own booths.

*Your display may include a notecard and LM to another location. You may not sell your work here.

*You must be a member of the Second Life Birthday Exhibitors group in order to access The Rock. An effort has been made to group all exhibits by content type. Exhibitor Assistants will have a list available to direct you to your assigned spaces. DO NOT CONTACT YOUR SIM COORDINATOR FOR A GROUP INVITE! They are extremely busy working on other things in an effort to ensure you have the most positive experience possible.

*If you cannot use your space, please IM the group and request help from a Exhibitor Assistant. The Exhibitor Assistant will provide this information to your sim Coordinator.

*Exhibitors have 7 days to claim their land by putting a prim on. June 11th is the last day to claim your land. We will give your land to anther exhibitor on June 12th, if you have not claimed it.

*Please do not ask for an invitation to the group if you are not an exhibitor or assisting an exhibitor. The assistants will be screening all request against a database of applicant names. If you have not been referred by a current exhibitor or have not placed an application that has been received an acceptance letter via email or in-world notecard, you will not be granted access.

==Event Staff==
If you are thinking of volunteering to work at SL6B, read this: The Second Life Birthday Production Team will be a no-drama zone. It's goal-oriented, get-'er-done work, all accomplished behind the scenes. While it's very fun and satisfying, it is no place for a big ego or someone who needs to be the center of attention or in control. It's collaborative. "Team" is a big word around here; be prepared to work with others and be good at reaching a goal, even if it's not the road you might have chosen if working alone!

Administration, Project Management
* Linden Lab Liaison, Dusty Linden
* Phaylen Fairchild

Estate/Build Out/Exhibits
* Event Design, Phaylen Fairchild
* Lead Architect, Prad Prathivi
* Lead Scripter, Brunswick Warburten
* Hunt Scripter, Gypsy Paz
* Estate Comms, Buckaroo Mu
* Sim Coordinators
**Toxic Menges
**Poid Mahovlich
**Kit Maitland
**Trinity Serpentine
*GUS(Galaxies United Security Bot) Builder
**Allatu Augustus
*GUS (Galazies United Securities Bot) Programmer
**Narz Hax
*Exhibitor Orientation
**Kitty Tandino
**Ginger Marseille
**APinkSwan Beauchamp
**Odessa Dagostino
**Diana Renoir
**CallieDel Boa
**Joslyn Bonetto
**Menolly Riederer
**Shi Streeter
**Moira Seelowe
*Official Baker
**Vivianne OFlynn
*Infrastructure Builders
**Phaylen Fairchild
**Allatu Augustus
**Poid Mahovlich
*Infrastructure Contributors
**Kazuhiro Aridian
**GutterBlood Spoonhammer
**Mantis Oh
**Scope Cleaver
**Cube Republic
**Hern Worsley
**Brunswick Warburten
**Spiral Walcher
*Moderators
**Poid Mahovlich
**Doctor Gascoigne
**Marianne Levasseur
**Rails Bailey
**Skye Galileo
**Arian Writer
**Drakon Cortes
**Shawn Masters
**Jezzie McCellan
**Chaos Mohr
**Toxic Menges

Entertainment
* Live Performance Stage, Glimmer Silverstar
* DJ Stages, Jewelkicker Spearmann
** Gage Goodliffe

Publicity
*Baz Ceawlin
*Katier Reitveld
*Catherine Linden
*Blondin Linden

Community Services
*Mentor Coordinator
**Doctor Gascoigne

==Event Group==
If you would like to keep informed, please join the group "Second Life Birthday" in-world. That will be our primary means of internal communication with the community. Externally, please keep watching the blog for news updates, and this wiki as an information repository.

==Announcing SL6B, June 23 — June 29, 2009==

On June 23, 2009, Second Life turns 6 years old. Hey! This is your second half-decade! Now you're *so* much more sophisticated than 5, but still hovering near the oven, anxious to devour the cake, and wondering what 6 has in store for you. Or, for that matter, what about 7? 10? 15? Where do the years go, anyway?

Since you're never content with things as they are, the event this year is a challenge to Residents: show how you intend to make things in 5, 10 or 100 years. The Birthday theme this year is '''The Future of Virtual Worlds''' and we're betting you have some pretty awesome visions to share of the future you're building here. How will Virtual Worlds work? How will they look? How will they be part of everyday life? How will we learn, socialize and evolve in them? How will they affect your beliefs, and be affected by your actions?

[[Image:SL6BFINALLOGOcr.jpg]]

Once again, Linden Lab has set aside 20 regions for the Birthday celebration, and Residents are building their particular future to share with you. The event infrastructure is nearly complete, and it looks great. It's a little dark, and a little shiny. It's a little inspiring, and a little dystopian. It's decidedly 3- dimensional. Think in light. Think in concept. Look up. Look under. Look in and listen closely.

Applications to build an exhibit are now closed. We will be reviewing all submitted applications next, and hope to have announcements going out to accepted exhibitors by June 1. Exhibitors will have a full 2 or 3 weeks on-site to build. The event will open June 23, and officially run for a week, (though we will keep the gates open for a week beyond that so that plenty of people can come by for a visit).

==Watching Philip's Speech==
Philip Linden will be opening the Second Life 6th Birthday celebration June 23 at 10 am SLT with a speech from the SL6B main stage. There is limited seating available, so if you are unable to access the stage you have a couple other options.

To watch on the web, head your browser to http://www.treet.tv/live.

You can also get a free Treet TV for your home from [https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1479491 XStreet], or visit Treet's [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Northpoint/211/142/32 Northpoint Studio] in Second Life and pick one up there. Deed the TV to your land and away you go. The SL6B opening remarks will be on the Live channel.

There will also be some Treet TV monitors set up in SL6B Android and SL6B Futurist for your watching pleasure. Grab some coffee and donuts, and bring enough for the rest of the crowd!

SL6B Main Stage:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Uplink/34/228/46

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Void/231/224/46

http://slurl.com/secondlife/SL6B%20Hologram/29/27/46

==Historical Links==
{{SLB nav}}

[[Image:Sl6bphoto3.jpg‎]]

Trademark

2009-06-26T17:55:41Z

Blue Linden: Created page with 'If you’re looking for information on trademarked material and other intellectual property in Second Life, please visit the [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Intellectual_Propert...'

If you’re looking for information on trademarked material and other intellectual property in Second Life, please visit the [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Intellectual_Property Intellectual Property] page.

For information on companies and brands in Second Life, see the [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Brands Brands] page.

User talk:Blue Linden

2009-06-26T05:00:57Z

Blue Linden: /* userpage deletion AND protection */

== AR unknown user / object ==
Hey Blue! I'm trying to build up some kind of ''Mentors FAQ'' over [[User:Zai_Lynch/wmsk|here]] and am looking for help with one question: In case a particle source (or something else a resident isn't able to locate or knows who's responsible for it) disturbs the peace, I heard it would be common to AR a Linden of the Governance Team instead of the unfindable object / unknown user and state out that it is about an unknown source and not that particular Linden. I couldn't find anything about it in the [https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=3989 this knowledge base article]. I didn't wanted to publish wrong information at that page so I'd feel better with a confirmation of yours before I'm going to write it down =) Furthermore I'd like to know who's in the GTeam. Since [[Linden_Roles|this page]] says it would be only Daniel Linden... THX in advance and friendly greetings, --[[User:Zai Lynch|Zai Lynch]] 20:27, 12 March 2008 (PDT)

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Hi Zai :) Yes, I often let people know that it's okay to use a Linden name on an Abuse Report if, for one of several reasons, it's not possible to enter a resident's name. The support team will know that I am not, for example, orbiting new residents in the Welcome Area so please feel free to use my name. This will help me reach my goal of being the most oft reported Linden :) -Blue
: Hehe, kewl. Yeah people were making jokes that we would need someone called ''Griefer Linden'' for that purpose but ok, I'll add your name to the FAQ so you'll become able to reach that goal ^^. THX for the info! c u --[[User:Zai Lynch|Zai Lynch]] 20:50, 13 March 2008 (PDT)

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That's a great idea xD But we already have a griefer Linden...his name is Bub.
:I only use your name when you've annoyed me :P I often use Teagan Linden, and at the bottom of my Reports I always put "Blame Teagan!" hehe
:[[User:Meghan Dench|Meghan Dench]] 12:38, 2 August 2008 (PDT)

== VTeam ==
Heyas Blue! =) 
Based on [http://vteamblog.com/2008/10/24/monthly-mentor-meeting-10am-pdt-102408/ your anouncement at the M³] I removed the [[:Category:VTeam|VTeam category]] from your userpage to update the category. It hurt though ;_; 
Don't forget us hmkay? (o.O) Greetz, [[Image:Zai_signature.png|45px]] '''[[User:Zai Lynch|Lynch]]''' ([[User talk:Zai Lynch|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Zai Lynch|contribs]]) 16:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

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How could I forget you guys? :)
xoBlue

== Wound up ==

You seem to be a bit touchy about the March 25th, 2009 transcript. I'm probably reading too much into this, I think you should work on something else for a few days, this project seems to have gotten you really stressed. -- '''[[User:Strife_Onizuka|Strife]]''' ([[User talk:Strife_Onizuka|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Strife_Onizuka|contribs]]) 01:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

@_@ Huh?[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 20:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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:[https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&offset=20090608231305&limit=2&user=Blue+Linden You deleted the transcript and then locked it]. Deleting the transcript of a meeting... a little odd but it was a public meeting too and then to lock it so it couldn't be recreated? It suggests (screams) that someone is not in a happy place. I'm just saying that it might be a little less stressful with a bit of perspective that only time can give. Or I've totally misread the situation. I can understand you wouldn't want people getting confused by old information but there are better ways than deleting it; the act of deletion can be seen as suspicious behavior. A message at the top saying something to the effect "Portions of this discussion may no longer be accurate, please review later meeting notes." would communicate that it was no longer valid without the need to delete it. Heck you could even annotate the old meeting notes, striking out (putting a line through) content that was no longer true. -- '''[[User:Strife_Onizuka|Strife]]''' ([[User talk:Strife_Onizuka|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Strife_Onizuka|contribs]]) 22:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Ahhh I see what you're saying! I'm not actually touchy or wound up or stressed or in a not-happy-place or in the midst of a darkly sinister cover-up :) I just thought that I was getting more "OMG blue, I heard the grids were going to merge!" IMs than usual, so figured it wouldn't hurt to simply close that page with a correction. But I can see how that could look suspicious to the conspiratorially minded, so I'll restore it and put the disclaimer at the top. thanks for the suggestion. [[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 20:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

== userpage deletion AND protection ==

o.O [[User:Linuxtrek Umaga|why?]] *puzzled* --[[File:Zai_signature.png|45px|link=User:Zai Lynch]] ([[User talk:Zai Lynch|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Zai Lynch|contribs]]) 01:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I was showing people how that works. 'tis a TEST page after all, no?

[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 01:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:No, it's not. It's the userpage of [[User:Linuxtrek Umaga]] (who appears to work for your website host Cascadeo and therefor tested stuff at his userpage). The [[test]] page is redirecting to his userpage. I'd understand when you'd kill that one. You access it via https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Test&redirect=no
:--[[File:Zai_signature.png|45px|link=User:Zai Lynch]] ([[User talk:Zai Lynch|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Zai Lynch|contribs]]) 01:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
::So just deletion. I'd not understand a protection of [[test]], since it might become a valuable article, maybe leading to QA tests or something. Sorry, I don't want to appear smart-alecky. It's always hard for me to transfer this kind of stuff in a written environment without sounding snobby or so. And there's always an alarm clock ringing in my head when I spot a deletion or protection.
::I think, the best way for deletion and protection tests would be @ [[User:Blue Linden/Sandbox]].
::[[File:Zai_signature.png|45px|link=User:Zai Lynch]] ([[User talk:Zai Lynch|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Zai Lynch|contribs]]) 01:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

OY...wrong page! I was supposed to be poking at MY test page: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Test2

Time to go home I think ^_^; [[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 02:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

:Don't forget to unlock it ^^ -- '''[[User:Strife_Onizuka|Strife]]''' ([[User talk:Strife_Onizuka|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Strife_Onizuka|contribs]]) 02:35, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay...back to normal I believe. Thanks as always for the wiki-fu you two :) [[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 05:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Blue Linden

2009-06-26T02:04:41Z

Blue Linden:

User talk:Blue Linden

2009-06-26T01:39:16Z

Blue Linden:

User talk:Blue Linden

2009-06-26T01:37:48Z

Blue Linden:

Test2

2009-06-25T16:42:14Z

Blue Linden: Created page with 'Testing, too'

Testing, too

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/March 25th, 2009

2009-06-24T20:57:47Z

Blue Linden:

I've been getting more IMs than usual from people who are telling me that they heard that the grids are going to merge. Just so you know, there are NO PLANS to merge the grids. Honest to goodness. None. If people come to you with rumors to this effect, you can stand up and assuredly state "YOU SIR, ARE GRAVELY MISINFORMED. LINDEN LAB HAS NO PLANS TO MERGE THE GRIDS. BLUE TOLD ME SO."

I'd appreciate it :)

[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 20:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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''After a short discussion with the nice folks of SLViews, and a few threads in the Resident Answers forum....oh and about ONE MILLION emails and IMs over the years....I present to you, gentle reader, this transcript of a discussion that took place at my office hour on March 25th in this, the 2009th year since life spontaneously appeared on Earth. ''

''This transcript is edited very lightly for clarity. ''

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hiya Blue

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu salutes

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: heya ㋡

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: hello Sir!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Heyas Blue :)

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: how are youse guys doin, there?

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: fit as a fiddle :)

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype is fine and dandy

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki><nowiki>Blue Linden: <---Joe Pesci voice</nowiki>

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: tops

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: hello

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki><nowiki>Timeless Prototype: <--- Texan (fake) voice :D</nowiki>

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Sgt. Maj. Shu eports i!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: good good!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: youse yuots

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Pickle, Dimitrio

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: hi

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: Hello Timeless

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we're here!

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol Chaves, try another seat?

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehehe

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: ello

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi holla *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi xstorm

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Patty1

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi hi :-)

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol Toy, awesome

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so before we officially start, I thought I'd tell folks that I'm considering making text transcript of today's topic

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi Blue

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: howdy blue

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so if you don't want to be on record, let me know before you leave so i can edit you out

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: great thinking

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty Toy

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: since people are always asking me about this topic and it's easy to throw a URL at them and run ;)

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Welcommmme!!!

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: how dare them

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you were stopping by the office hour today to go on Eureka Field Trip, you're outa luck

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: aw

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's an old-skool "talk about controversial things" office hour :D

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: its ok :-)

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: next week we'll hit the road again hehe

'''<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: So welcome folks....it's just after 4 and I'll start pretty much on time in case this turns into a long conversation'''

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: let me start by saying that every 6-8 months for the last few years a Linden will say publicly something to the effect of....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: "we think it would be cool to let teens more broadly participate in SL"'''

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi holo

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and my inbox is full for the next 6-8 weeks'''

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette nods

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dont take strange things from strangers storm sorry

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heya blue LTNS

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hey Holodoc ㋡

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: methinks they are already here ;-)

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: lol

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: run Forest Run!!

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: im a old man neko that i can see

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I want to make it clear right up front, and you can call me a liar if you'd like...you wouldn't be the first....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are NO PLANS TO MERGE THE GRIDS'''

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: honest....it's not on the high priority list'''

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: really

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: tank you!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but I'm happy to talk about why i think we should do it

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BloodyBugger, hangn...

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: because you've never been in an online community or game with kids and teens?

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: What does that mean? No plans to bring minors into SL at all?'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Or a physical merge?

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right....we'd LIKE to do it, but it's a big project. We are not in a position to make it happen yet, and haven't even started the necessary conversations'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: they already here

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah they are

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: hiya holocluck :-)

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: hey Blue

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: hello morph!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe that's usually my argument when people say they don't want teens on the main grid.

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Sure

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: its gonna take a LOT of planning to be

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes teens are here....they are sneaky

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: im sure some younger then that

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: teens have uber energy and very creative

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: So they do wish to, it's more a matter of implementation.

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: no theyre obvious. they want sex and to throw lots of giant cubes everywhere

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I run into a few at Oxbridge or NCI

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heeh

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: primarily the teens on Teen Second Life are the “good teens”....they are the ones who are being honest....

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well...the ones without MG alts are anyway

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes but they are free to do the teen thing socially which annoy us adults instinctively

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: ahh

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: it make scense to just have everyone together

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: so what is the main sticking point to merging the grids do you think?

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: anyone fully opposed to the idea that someday LL may let teens access main grid?

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: it has to be profit based to survive

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: 1000%

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: hi everyone

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but why?

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: why not have teens and adults together like they are in WoW

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or anywhere online really....

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Ive never had a problem with it but Im a minority specially being a child av

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: cos of the sexxors

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: what difference does it make! They are here anyway

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are the sexxors, that's true

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: this is not WoW at all

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: ☆*¨¨*:•Xstorm!!!•:*¨¨*☆

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: just been there done that. they grate on us, they collect people like a game. they a/s/l they cant spell out words. they beg for things like we're their mommy. its been in every game and social community i have been in

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: lol

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: somethuing your not tellin us X

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they curse and do adult stuff because they are fascinated with what they type. and of course flood chat for the same reason

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well again Holodoc, the teens we're talking about are folks like Katharine Berry who wrote AjaxLife

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are smart, creative, polite....

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: for the most part

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes but thats not typical

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: but not all are so ideal

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of the ones who aren't are here already ;p

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: we all were teens, we know what we did and now that we arent its suddenly annoying hehehe

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but they are well suited in a teen environment where this is a natural if not accepted trend - except the adult stuff of course

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: and there is danger to them here

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: clarissa there is danger to them in the street when they go for food or cinema

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: when the "good" teens turn 18 and come here they say "OMG blue...i thought these were the adults"

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so we joke there are 2 grids...the mature grid

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the adult one

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC) blue

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: many of the teen people are better and nicer then some of the 22 year olds

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre right - they are usually referring to the college kids LOL

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because of course adults have earned the right to be asshats

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: i agree storm

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: :)

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they havent which is why so many are yelling at blondin as we speak

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: adults have many more years to hone asshattery

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: heheh

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: the problem is that there are to many bad older people in SL

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: teens are like adults, percentage of impressive ones, and a lot of...others. but running into adults here, they lack life experience to defend themselves from the worst types.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....so let's just say "teens annoy Holodoc"

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's fair

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i broke it down in my blog a couple weeks back :) if they were mature and knew how to have adult content on mature land they wouldnt be facing relocation

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: i do not idealise teens OR write them all off.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: most of the teens are creative

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehe

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but to Xstorm's point...

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: bad adults

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: can't say most teens are creative, any more so than you could say most adults are...they're just people. shouldn't idealise

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are everywhere online right?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: are there more here?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: concentration of effort, blue

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: teens annoy anyone who has been in a mixed cybercultural place. it's often the big problem for adults beside the psycho adult stalkers

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: one stop shopping

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: more here than many realize

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: my business partner was a teen and he was very mature but got moved to the teen grid

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: more than, say, myspace?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i am not talking about the minority who are well mannered etc

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i have seen 20 year old act like verry rude brats and have verry little to do with helping people and more to do with hate and griefing

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and by well mannered i dont exclude young at heart

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol yes x

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell agrees with the cluck

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: oh myspace i dont have teens allowed on my profile. there are settings

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay...let's take a step back....how many adults online are a threat to kids....ballpark guess

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: May I ask why LL would like to move teens in? That seems to be the thing missing from most Linden posts.

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'll get to that Clarissa...happy to say why I think it's the right thing to do

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: 5%, 10%?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i have no idea

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: very few

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: less

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: 10%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: no no

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: there was a questionnaire done

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: .1%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: id say less

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: No way to guess, accurately. Blue. LL should discuss it with an agency like PROTECT. org

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: who makes internet safety their full time concern.

''Excellent suggestion!''

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: 40%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: Blue, have you seen the report from Berkman Center?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: threat?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the news has made it seeem we are buried in sexual stalkers and child molesters

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: people who actively seek kids to do bad things? no no no not that much

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But I'd say even one bad adult is too much. (and okay)

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i agree Toy.....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I've watched many studies and listened to some serious fear mongering

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well it helps when theres some underground racket most of us dont know about that enss up on a youtube report

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: there's the flip side too, griefing an adult by making a false AR

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/pubrelease/isttf/

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: interesting reading

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: fear mongering? I'd say prudence instead

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks Yuu!

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: my best friends in SL are "kids"

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i also recommend reading the NYT article....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/technology/internet/14cyberweb.html?_r=3&hp

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Holocluck, I like kids too, no one's saying kids are 'bad'

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: yw. they mostly contend that children are threatened by their peers, more than anything

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: right

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: basically stating that there's no little evidence to support the idea that the Paedogeddon is upon us

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yep

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: remember if some one is rude and acts wrong infront of young people they in time will be as bad as the adult in the end

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: hey scope :)

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: prudence doesnt sell the news.... fear mongering does

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol pedogeddon.

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Scope Cleaver: Greetings

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: funny word.

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you might've heard the stat "1 in 5 teens are propositioned online"

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Chaves Shu salutes

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i hate to say it though this generation of kids in the western world have been dumped at young ages without supervision at the computer to do whatever with mixed company

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we are as much a victim of them

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: the teens come to sl to make real friends

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: maybe more because that IS common versus a genuine perv after them

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: that I agree with, Holo

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what they don't say is that it's to a very great extent by 1) their peers and 2) by adults they know in RL

''oops, that's what Yuu just said...guess I missed it ^_^;''

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: we do not keep young people from us we keep us from young people

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats just it

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay well, if it isn't an issue, why then segregate them at all. Let the grid stay as-is.

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and this doesnt negate that enough goes on offline

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: teachers step parents the usual gang

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: yeah, it's the real life props that are harmful

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: sorry

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I'll argue that the threat has been very much confused in the media and that there will be a lot of hysteria around any discussion of grid merge....

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we can disagree on the details, that's fair

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: hysteria is a strong word. i'd say concerns

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....you're probably right Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: a BIT of hystera and a lot of concern ㋡

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: WEll, i think there that LL got to do something about those ''kids'''i mean... its not bad that peope are joining but...

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: the hysteria around grid merge to the public is for different reasons

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol ok

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and mind you *I* lead a PG life in SL

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heh! many of us do

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: agree holocluck

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: yes Holo

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: so do I, holo... but then Im only 9 years old hehehe

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, with AO content changes coming to the viewer, it will be possible to "lock" teens out of your sim

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype shouts: hi Opensource!

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: see? the kids agree with me

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: not 100% of course....fake IDs will always exist

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well also annother consern, most people (thats what i believe) think that people like me in Uniforms are Kids... what is soo not true...

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Toy

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: but if they are safe, and if there is so little danger, why age verify, or lock teens out, etc. why move adult content.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: media do not understand that the problem is not the internet based part but the laws that let the ones that have broken the laws out and to get close to people to do it again

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats true of anything blue. that cant be stopped

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: clarissa let me explain it... because adult content isnt about kids seeing it. its about being forced to see it without consent

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa, I'd like to avoid discussing "Why AO?" as it's a totally different topic that could take up an hour easily

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and I'm not on that team hehe

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: forced? but you have to teleport

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay Blue

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Fair enough

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: im sure the teen grid has some over the age requirement

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Tabeamarie Helendale: Hi Blue

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly points to blondin's office hour where it is being discussed right now

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: the only way we as a people can stop this is by making new laws to screen people getting in to SL

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are discussions happening you can attend I believe.....Cyn just posted about it a few min ago

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hi Marie ㋡

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: got it cluck I"m not dense ;) The topic came up, though, about how safe the net is for teens :p

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Hello Blue, it's good to meet you :)

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i agree and feel there should be better screening for all sites with mature content intended for 18+

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hi Walden, thanks for coming by ㋡

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: and yes if a bad adult wish to get in to the teen grid i bet they can

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, I agree holo....it's a tough problem

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: true clarissa but its as safe as their PARENTS allow it to be for them

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Most parents aren't even home

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But anyway...

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's impossible to do ID checks in some countries due to national laws, for example

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: thats right

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, having parents watching their kids is the best solution, always

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Scope!

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: true

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Scope Cleaver: Greetings Timeless

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Great to see everyone here :) heh

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i ran teen grid for 3 years and could count on one hand the number of times a parent contacted me about their teen in SL :(

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: you dont want to end up like disney - in toontown online i cant talk to friends about a vacation because they have filters in place to catch anyone discussing where they are from and suspend them for three days. we dont need that here

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha...

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: oh good point holocluck

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: it is time that when some one joins we add new rules to the TOS

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, chat filters either completely prevent chat, or they don't work at all...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Hmm also that Child-porn issue in SL...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, will predated avs be grandfathered in?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes the parent is responsible for the kid but they always look at the site that let them in. LL doesnt need that headache

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: some dont even read the TOS

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because as we know, any @$$ can get around a filter

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: predated?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: thing is holocluck *I* don't want to have to act as all those kids' parent, basically turning all of SL into a babysitter.

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: to make it so any one that joins must be held by state laws and TOS rules

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue predated from when kids come in

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: teens have had access to the internet for many years, so there should be data out there for how many people have been affected negatively by a lack of content control

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chaves, Child-porn is illegal and disallowed...that won't change

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes in toonotown ditto the age so we have to get around numbers like won too tree just to explain what our tasks are to eachother.

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Or will they have to age verify too

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well, still people in SL dress up like kids and F**K

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: 'm right away

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol holocluck

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the SL rules arent really hard to obey.... heck oner 5 years for me and no AR that I know of

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, and they can be removed for it, Chaves

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Opensource Obscure: Dimitrio, I think Linden Lab sponsored a study about that. or something similar, I'm looking now

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: frankly i dont know how age verification works here. i answered questions and they said ok you're good

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as with RL, you can't prevent people from breaking the rules, only respond

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: you can AR the age play people you know

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well i reported allot of people, but still seems like LL is too busy with eating Donuts sometime

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: So - not sure about the grandfathering yet, Blue?

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure what you mean Clarissa, I'm sorry

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly played the slots in vegas at 16. looked mature for my age and acted well behaved. how hard was that

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: donuts mmmmmm

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: chaves has a good point, i.e. what happens when those same people get hold of real kids.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Chaves for one child av you find tasking part in sexual activities in SL I can find 50 who dont

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: in fact if y ou do not AR the Age Play you in fact are just as bad as them

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: more things on the internet the sl teens can get into that could do more harm..chat rooms xxx sites list goes on

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: actually Chaves, age reports get highest priority, but still....support folks need proof

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if there is no proof, they can't act of course

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue: Will existing accounts be considered age verified, or will they also have to age verify once the kids come in.

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: for example...

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: get a screen shot

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: As everyone in SL legally should be over 18 currently

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: is it because they suspect someone is young or because they see a kid av and figure its a teen?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: get real log text

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: i was flying in my helicopter for fun... exidently crashed into a skybox...

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah....sorry yes, if an account is age verified, it will should not have to verify again

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: versus actual sexual invovlement

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: and found 5 ''kid'' AV having Sexual activities with Adult Avatars..

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: AR it

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: that must be illegal right?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: holocluck a ped will use a cartoon if they can't get a live kid, is my best guess, and I used ot work with child protection agencies.

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as to there being a higher risk to teens after merge than there would be now, I'd say there should be NO way to specifically identify an account as a minor

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: you wont find teens wanting to be seen as a kid in SL.... they want to be dults!!! :)

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: no scarlet letter as it were

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Even, if they say its on PRIVATE territory?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm pretty sure most lindens would agree

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, that's true Toy

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: I verified one of my avs, can I not just get the rest of my avs verified by association?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue - no I meant existing no payment info people, but who legally agreed to SL they are over 18. Since everyone shouldbe over 18 here already, will existing NPIOF people have to age verify later, or only ones who join after teen day.

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes they will usually be macho boys and top heavy girls. in fact the boys might want to be the women to get off on themselves

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: ok what the heck is wrong with this pic !!! some one asking when they read the damn TOS and must know to AR that type of stuff

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure Timeless

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I think Blondin said they would be Timeless

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: took that simple step to do one of my other avs timeless.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa, i doubt it....credit card is not proof of age

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, preds have a way of getting info, it happens to adults here, too, and by hte time they realise the person is bad, it's too late.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: teens have cards ;p

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: WEll, i dont mind if people dress up like kids in SL... Sometimes People like to ''act'' like The Sims Game... and let 'm ''grow up''.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty Toy, ty Holo

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: chaves yes as long as it is PG

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I think your argument on peds getting info is true anywhere online Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue so everyone will have to age verify once kids come in....even if they are payment info already?

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Blue, do you cover technical issues with the age verification system? I have one...

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes it is Blue

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: if your gonna be a child av in SL you have to live under special rules

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as such, LL should provide more info on protecting oneself

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But until now it can't happen in SL

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it can clarissa

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: computer realign matrix

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: teens ARE on main grid

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there's a point beyond which nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I agree with that part Blue. They should have a mandatory safety class for minors if they integrate them here.

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>xstorm Radek bang head on desk

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: in SL, online, on the streets

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes htey are but peds don't come looking, as it would be a needle in a haystack now

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Toy, i think your right in some ways, well even like me, i like to wear uniforms... but not everyone allows that... but what about the Chicl Avatars?

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: child*

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Of course, kids are just less equipped emotionally, less life experience.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well again, i don't think it makes sense to label teens

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats the term i would use exactly about them clarissa

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so it wouldn't be any easier

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: thats true...

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: it's easier to keep the grids separate if possible

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and there are very few teens on TSL currently, compared to main grid

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Label teens, no, but they'd know they're here...one way to know is to try it but it seems a risky experiment.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so we're not talking about a significant increase in the ration of adults to teens

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Exactly, which is why currently peds wouldn't come shopping here, pardon the expression.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: you might consider using TSL as a beta grid for new features?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Didn't follow that last one

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'd argue they would Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: There are millions of adults, if you brough teens in, high ratio

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Also, i do not agree with the Age lowering from last year... the teens who joind are mostly griefers... as far as i know...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: kids are very reactive they'll tell you if something doesnt work :)

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'd think they'd join the star wars RP groups

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: you will find that a very high number of child avs in SL arent interested going to adult places... I often go t o concerts on M land but check first if lids are allowed

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: They would what, Blue? Sorry

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: age lowering Chaves?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Yes, earlier in SL you had to be 18 if im right to join SL...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: toy yes but they aer RL adults, different thing

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: now its lowered to 15...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: if im sure..

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: It's still 18 isn't it?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are groups here on main grid that are constantly losing members to support....lol Star Wars groups

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i hate to say this but there has been kids on hobo island and even when the hobo group on the island hides them and not AR them there still are people that AR underage people on the Adult grid

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: SL hasn't changed the age requirement Chaves

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Not following about Star Wars, sorry

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: most of them are older than the average SLer too. i like their taste in cartoons and toys

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well it was something about that in the blog... earlier2008

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: or it were plans...

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sorry clarissa....the point i was making was that I assume that someone looking for teens would check the main grid

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dont know hobo island only hobo town. is there a nudist colony or something with hobo in the name?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I like Holocluck's suggestion a bit back, about using teen grid to test some of this

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: sorry, if im not right.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes if there arent enough teens to warrant keeping TSL open combine its purpose

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: np Chaves, and no plans to change that

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Why would they...currently not supposed to be any here. Although yes, possible.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: 13 and 18 are legal distinctions not LL's

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: it seems there are to many people now days in SL that try to hide the fact that there are teens on the adult grid then trying to AR then

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Also, that US Federal investigation on SL... what happened about that?

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But nothing like, if currently here, imagine later, when it's publicised teens are everywhere here.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: clarissa, that's assuming people honestly think that teens would never lie about their age

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I'm saying they will go where it's easiest, most of them

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and if so, wouldn't they then try to get into teen grid?

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: my friend's kids will sometimes sit with her when she cmes in. but she goes to special places like 7Days bakery or my fishing place

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: If this were the only place on hte 'net, yes

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'd argue that's MySpace or Facebook ;p

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes they are probably thre for now. lol

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: one thing that really annoys me Blue is.......

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: there*

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but again, i think that we can disagree about the degree of the threat

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I can see we do

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we do agree that there will always be one though

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: For me one kid hurt is too many

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and we should work to mitigate it as best anyone can

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: myspace gets as bad a rap as here. all anyone has to do is check through the preferences and set it. it can be as safe or dangerous or spamridden as aanyone wants.

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its just that my friends stopped posting blogs there lol

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: It seems LL are set on this idea, so I can only hope they consult experts, and formulate a *mandatory* internet safety class

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: one of the choices for a AR is age-play..... it should be Sexual AgePlay.... anyone here who doesnt giver thier RL age is age-playing

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's true Holodoc, i shouldn't say those two places are exceptional in that respect

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: agreed Toy

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: well when people say ageplay they mean R rated

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: lol, he said Holodoc...

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: seems facebook naturally attracts adults because it is nofrills

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but any place can be a problem without parental controls

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: do you think that Adults are not just as bad as the young teen ? well take a look at all the silly people playing around as vampires and biting every one in SL

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i am sure we will give it the serious discusssion necessary

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and hopefully continued discussion with you guys

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the ongoing discussions about AO are a good indicator that we would

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol xstorm

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oddly, I haven't been approached by vampires

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Kill the vampires!

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Implementing consumer ideas will have to be seen

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: perhaps my big ol pointy choppers are too threatening to them

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES*:)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I usually see hte most naked avs/spampires in freebie malls or sandboxes. Places new people go.

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre already dead

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so....anyone want to hear my list of reasons WHY we need to merge grids?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol yes I'd say so Blue

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes was just going to ask that

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: yes please

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Id like to hear them

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i went to cordova once. never again

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Opensource Obscure: sorry for the offtopic, please answer me in IM - i'm experiencing a bug right now and I want to properly document it - anyone here is seeing this place like it appears in this photo? http://www.sluniverse.com/snapshots/355216.jpg

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the biggest one is that it's weird that we don't let parents hang out with their own kids

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: what started the rumours about LL wanting to join TG to MG (acknowledge that you've said it's not happening)? But I seem to recall some kind of misleading signals, but I can't put my finger on it...

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i see the only reason they would consider it is for financial reasons

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: befor i AR some one for not reporting some thing *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: LL keeping families apart is weird....I know some people who won't let their kids into TSL because they can't keep an eye on them there

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: opensource i see all the things here and most of hte people

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: parents can still be with the kids at the computer when they come into TSL

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, couldn't parents go into teen grid though, where the kid already are?

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they probably see more than we imagine

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: similarly i think it's terrible that our 18th birthday present for teens is "HAPPY BIRTHDAY now gtfo"

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Lol, Blue... SL should be more Secured... and under 18 kid cant just walk into an Sex-shop/store in RL, but why CAN he do it in SL?

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Be easy to vouch for them, being their own family.

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we take them away from their friends and the community they built

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: no they can not under the TOS

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Could change that, x

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: luckily that won't be the case when AO continent is in place

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its sort of like menudo for geeks

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue but isn't taht like leaving the nest IRL

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: different topic tho ;)

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: the teens already are in this grid

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: a person of a older age can not be at the computer with the kid

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: school, going to college, leaving home

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well kinda Clarissa...but you can always come home from school on the weekend

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can never go back to TSL

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes but eventually all will join them here

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: see well they can be in toontown and stick to premade chat so no one talks about geogrpahy or math homework and gets suspended

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: IMHO, TG suffers from "well we get kicked from TG one day, so why invest time in it", making it boring and enticing underage kids to come to MG

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: not without a background check and and island....which has never happened

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: true clarissa, but it's heartbreaking for them

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Parents/family could be vetted

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is it?

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i've had many teens cry on my shoulder and i feel terrible

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh yes

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: some really cuss me out

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but if you add the beta idea they may be intrigued that they can see stuff before the adults do

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: they get lonely I spect, Blue

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: cant you give them a grace period?

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: vetting family is tough....some very difficult issues with that

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is there

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: May I ask what

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, we let them say goodbye Holodoc

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Blue, if SL ''locks'' Adult Content Sims/regions/parcels with a code... or something else... then the Teens and the Adulds can live togheter in SL... like they already do in RL... but if SL gets more ''security'' then it shouln'd be a problem... eh?

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa....here's an example

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: why isnt there a group or outreach program here for them to start with made by and run by former TSLers?

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: Blue tell them how teen grid can not get lindens from there own family in the Adult grid

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: their goodbyes arent forever after all

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Adults* Doom... crapy spelling...

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: one parent snuck onto the teen grid once because their kid was being harassed.....they made RL threats against the other teen

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Holocluck good idea. A welcome committee sort of

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: shades of myspace! sorry i had to sa that

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes clarissa

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Oh. Little League parent syndroms

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: syndrome*

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah lol

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Ew, what if that happens in SL

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: "leave my kid alone" - "but all I did was tell them to stop firebombing my store"

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: being summoned people... good meeting... good luck

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it also means teens can't tell who is a problem....currently ANY adult gets reported immediately by teens....no questions asked

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: bye Walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: tc Walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: girl killed herself last yr when someone stalked her and made like a boy interested in her all because they thought she was talking about theri kid

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: we get a few new rezzies at NCI that have graduated TG

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: so segregation works to stop problems happening?

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: later walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah it will change if LL merges grids....something we have to consider

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes - Megan, holocluck. happened on Myspace

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: make them welcome

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh yeah, that was bad Holodock

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *doc

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: We have some former TSL here. what are your opinions about all this? dont be shy its a discussion. no enemies

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We do? Yes would love to hear their perspectives

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: segregation didn't stop the problem, no, but teens reported it very quickly

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Seems to work better...can know who's who easier

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so that brings up another point.....

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what precautions need to be taken before merge is possible

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: crap just lost inventory

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: AO continent, although not being done specifically for grid merge, would make it easier

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: did crap lose or you lost

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes precautions, good topic

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol Holocluck

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but what about the Little League Parent

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Blue, if a Report is beeing in action... i think a PICTURE/snapshot is needed...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre bad peoples regardless

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they wanna go to someone else's parent is one thing

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'd agree with Chaves that it becomes a reporting issue

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: dont attack kids

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so perhaps new abuse categories?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: like what?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: People often to Report, but they dont sent Snapshoyts...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: this is not the old days when we did a AR and yelled Blue

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: yes...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we shouldnt entertain this if it isnt going to be pursued.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: new Report Cetegories...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: LOL

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ahhhh the good old days hehehe

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Some people are worried about false ARs.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hmmm higher penalty for adult caught bullying someone they know is a kid

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: also set Snapshot sending ALWAYS on...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you mean did an AR and yelled AT Blue

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes that would be good

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: so Reports CANT be false...

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heh

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the report system as it is can be tweaked.....raising priority for Age reports lowers response time for example

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Would be good except I'd still be afraid to be around real kids at least at first - instead of bumping, and bombing, false ARing?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: did a AR years back do to a underage and had to use the code blue

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or raising penalty for griefing newbs in welcome area

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true but how to weed out false ones

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: griefing welcome areas...is bad...or sandboxes...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Well i think the Report priority should be Taken seriously directly...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: maybe less so if they were guarded?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: or or or burning welcome areas !!! ;)

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i have had many circmstances where i would have liked to AR someone because they blatantly acted like a teen trying to hang out here. but how do you do that? maybe a suspected minor category where someone runs a check

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: in Murray (region) where i usualy hangout are quiet allot spam and harrasements going on...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i think same problems exist with kids....support needs proof to act to keep people from using reports as a tool for abuse

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is it possible at all to hire people, economy is so bad it would be cheap, to guard areas which are open to public/kids?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: thanks blue I agree

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, holodoc.....sounding or acting like a teen doesn't help

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: When people Report stuff then it looks more like LL nor Lindens even LIKE to re-act..

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: no the underage person told us they was 10 years old

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: again...two grids, the mature grid and the adult grid lol

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i got good at telling how a kid acting grown up behaves

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if ONLY it were possible to send people to the immature grid

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I bet LL coiuld hire people for min. wage or even less in some countries, to stand and guard areas...and witness abuses. A lot of people would jump at basically being paid to play SL. lol

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: this is gonna take a huge amount of staff at LL to work these cases, is the total cost of ownership of a grid merge really worth it?

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: wow there would be so much room

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if they tell you, that counts x.....

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if it's in voice, report anyway

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: im for that one blue *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: ha yes can LL create an immature grid :)

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BTW, you know directly if an AV is an child, due his behavour, acting, way of chatting...

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there's usually evidence elsewhere

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I think a lot of these changes result in the sims being named M and PG instead of Mature and Immature

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you are almost positive Chaves, but dont have evidence you can report and explain why you think it

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well cost of server resources and bandwidth and staff versus legal more ARs adults leaving,

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i had a 89 % AR record

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Mature and Griefer. How about that? Think it'd work? :)

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: mature and cornfield :D

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: gheheh...

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: LOL

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i know that 6 of them seem silly

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: silly... brb

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well also in holland (where i usualy should be) residents REquest for more Police forcements on the streets...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: children of the cornfield

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: but it was a way to get things fix

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: why doesnt SL do something like that too...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: basically, I think that after 3 years running teen grid I have a lot of faith in those kids

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: more lindens INWORLD...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of them are really super creative.....they made all my best avatars, after all

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue the kids in there now who are willing to forego lack of the funzors stuff in SL are likely the creme de la creme

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of the ones I've met are polite overall

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Smart, and creative, and hard working. Not only in for funz

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: a combining of the MG and TG would bring more Lindens Inworld

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the really bad ones are no worse than the worst adult

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Chaves Shu nods...

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I agree on that, personality types same ratio kids or adults

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: maybe less bad as suggested earlier because they haven't had as much practice being jerks ;p

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: there are "good ones" whose social ways are grating to most adults

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its a cultural thing

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol I think it's more a question of dedication

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Well mostly an AV doesnt tell directly if the person behind the screen is a Child nor Adult...

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, some care very very much about SL

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true holocluck not all people like kids especially.

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they "get it" they are the always on generation

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: oh gee please do not let the idiots that i have had ban back in to SL even if they are 40 years old now

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: Hiro Pendragon was suggesting "inside" and "outside" - a concept that would make private 3D region truly private, is this something that can be implemented?

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I do, they are hte future but it isn't an issue of me personally :)

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Same as males who use FEMALE AV's in SL...

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue I agree, they grew up on computers and will make some awesome things

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i dunno timeless.....you mean a setting to take your sim out of SL's contiguous space?

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: no Blue

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: xstorm lol

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: basically draw a box in space in your parcel

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah parcel privacy....door locks that actually work hehe

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: if you're in it, you see everything, if you're out of that box, you don't see what's inside

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right....i suppose it would be

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Someone said they found a private island that was not able to be cammed into

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: how pretty would mainland be with that?

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and i would love it if it blocked water...so you could have an underwater space that was private AND dry ;p

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: you can keep underage people off your land now

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Good idea Blue

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: x yes if you haev private land you can do more, most ppl rent tho

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm the least technical linden....so I don't know how possible that stuff is

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yeh there iss an age verify setting

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: just go to about land and set it

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sometimes being the dumb one at the lab pays off though ;)

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true but that would keep almost everyone out

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: hee

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha, Well i wish the PRIM counts on SL's vehicles wanst a big problem eighter... then Cars Airplanes, Boats would be nicer...

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i don't have to be grid monkey EVER

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yeah but like go get yourself age verified.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: holocluck I read thru the existing way and it's a mess

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: better to be a mole just nort around me

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chaves, I saw someone with massive wearable vehicle that required a whole crew to rez all the many parts

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Was one reason I went premium

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dunno i had no trouble

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: was cool

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i cant even remember what i did

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the existing age verification has been in beta since first became a part of SL.... was a very poor one... the new way will have several alternatives

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i set snurky this past month

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but of course that's veering off topic a bit....lol I guess we're done with the topic then?

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: we kill moles and rats

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha, i made a nearly scaled Boeing 777 Airliner...

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: No Blue

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: did anyone have anything to add before we go complete mad?

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: tut tut x

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We haven't heard from the ex teen gridders here

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We'd like to

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: but got plans for anything betters, anyway lets get back to the topic

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: cluck and I at least

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah....one of the most famouse x teen gridders ;)

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: brb thirsty

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well if its like ebay was when i set up bank debiting at first, they will send a postcard to a billing address for filling out and returning. or enter a code on the poscard

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I"ll scroll when I get back

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: any ex-teen gridders want to pitch in? or have I acted as official TSL rep?

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I was way to old for TG when it was started hehehe

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: Daniel and Dimitrio are so quiet

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i think he's afk ㋡

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: lol

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: wait...Dimi?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i was talking about Daniel

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: my little brother... plays SL-Teen... well he likes it... aslong stuff doesnt get messed up...

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we bored them lol

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theres one i dont see today forgot his name. he likes to be snoopy

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol, speaking of sleeping, it's time for me to sleep, nite all

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: see that's the way to deal with teens who bug you Holodoc....bore them to death. They can't take it

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: night timeless!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: okiedoo Timeless

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: was nice to meet ya today

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heheh!!!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: sleep wel!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki><nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Oyasuminasai <Good Night> (^_^)</nowiki>

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: likewise Chaves

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty all

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: ^_^ :) Well, I think as being a FormerTGer, I think the grids should just remain the same. I was a famous TG Documentarian over there, 95 days ago.

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: take care timeless thanks for joining us ㋡

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: yw Blue

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: :)

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Weltrusten! (sleep well in Dutch)

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's true....the teen grid was Daniel's oyster

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: hmm...

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: yeah! I was famous over there

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: I transfered last December

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: well only recently i learned that there was 2 grids

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: definitely much harder to be famous here hehe

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: yep

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: what you did not show him how to do shoes ? OMG!

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehehe

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: his bear collection is earning him some fame here too. or at least on flickr :P

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BRB, got called by my Serge...

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielvoyager/

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Im not famous but known by many :)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Daniel is in the running to beat Torley as SL Flickr champion lol

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: bear collection. :)

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: And thanks to blue i have 2 seconds of infamy

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#SL_News - Indeed, Blue.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell needs more bearssss

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Daniel's been around a long time :)

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: Torley no longer has time any more

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>xstorm Radek gave you MM SVN Unsitter v1.00.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: he'smaking vidtuts for the rest of the internet

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I missed seeing you Blue at the Lindern tour I gave for Path on Monday :)

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>You decline Raglan Galaxy - Planet surface from A group member named Josephine Planer.

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we gonna go on more trips?

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh really Toy

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they get up too early for me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: if Daniel ever wish to see some one clean out 6 sims and rebuild them to scale he can watch me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, coming up on 5....thank you all very much for coming to office hour

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ya, he asked me to give a tour of Oxbridge to a group of Lindens

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: did any former gridders give their opinions? or want to?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'll post transcript on the wiki office hour page

== Headline text ==

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/March 25th, 2009

2009-06-24T20:56:59Z

Blue Linden:

I've been getting more IMs than usual from people who are telling me that they heard that the grids are going to merge. Just so you know, there are NO PLANS to merge the grids. Honest to goodness. None. If people come to you with rumors to this effect, you can stand up and assuredly state YOU SIR, ARE GRAVELY MISINFORMED. LINDEN LAB HAS NO PLANS TO MERGE THE GRIDS. BLUE TOLD ME SO.

I'd appreciate it :)
[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 20:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

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''After a short discussion with the nice folks of SLViews, and a few threads in the Resident Answers forum....oh and about ONE MILLION emails and IMs over the years....I present to you, gentle reader, this transcript of a discussion that took place at my office hour on March 25th in this, the 2009th year since life spontaneously appeared on Earth. ''

''This transcript is edited very lightly for clarity. ''

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hiya Blue

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu salutes

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: heya ㋡

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: hello Sir!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Heyas Blue :)

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: how are youse guys doin, there?

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: fit as a fiddle :)

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype is fine and dandy

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki><nowiki>Blue Linden: <---Joe Pesci voice</nowiki>

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: tops

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: hello

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki><nowiki>Timeless Prototype: <--- Texan (fake) voice :D</nowiki>

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Sgt. Maj. Shu eports i!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: good good!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: youse yuots

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Pickle, Dimitrio

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: hi

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: Hello Timeless

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we're here!

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol Chaves, try another seat?

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehehe

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: ello

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi holla *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi xstorm

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Patty1

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi hi :-)

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol Toy, awesome

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so before we officially start, I thought I'd tell folks that I'm considering making text transcript of today's topic

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi Blue

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: howdy blue

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so if you don't want to be on record, let me know before you leave so i can edit you out

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: great thinking

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty Toy

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: since people are always asking me about this topic and it's easy to throw a URL at them and run ;)

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Welcommmme!!!

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: how dare them

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you were stopping by the office hour today to go on Eureka Field Trip, you're outa luck

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: aw

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's an old-skool "talk about controversial things" office hour :D

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: its ok :-)

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: next week we'll hit the road again hehe

'''<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: So welcome folks....it's just after 4 and I'll start pretty much on time in case this turns into a long conversation'''

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: let me start by saying that every 6-8 months for the last few years a Linden will say publicly something to the effect of....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: "we think it would be cool to let teens more broadly participate in SL"'''

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi holo

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and my inbox is full for the next 6-8 weeks'''

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette nods

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dont take strange things from strangers storm sorry

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heya blue LTNS

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hey Holodoc ㋡

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: methinks they are already here ;-)

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: lol

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: run Forest Run!!

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: im a old man neko that i can see

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I want to make it clear right up front, and you can call me a liar if you'd like...you wouldn't be the first....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are NO PLANS TO MERGE THE GRIDS'''

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: honest....it's not on the high priority list'''

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: really

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: tank you!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but I'm happy to talk about why i think we should do it

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BloodyBugger, hangn...

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: because you've never been in an online community or game with kids and teens?

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: What does that mean? No plans to bring minors into SL at all?'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Or a physical merge?

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right....we'd LIKE to do it, but it's a big project. We are not in a position to make it happen yet, and haven't even started the necessary conversations'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: they already here

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah they are

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: hiya holocluck :-)

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: hey Blue

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: hello morph!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe that's usually my argument when people say they don't want teens on the main grid.

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Sure

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: its gonna take a LOT of planning to be

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes teens are here....they are sneaky

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: im sure some younger then that

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: teens have uber energy and very creative

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: So they do wish to, it's more a matter of implementation.

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: no theyre obvious. they want sex and to throw lots of giant cubes everywhere

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I run into a few at Oxbridge or NCI

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heeh

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: primarily the teens on Teen Second Life are the “good teens”....they are the ones who are being honest....

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well...the ones without MG alts are anyway

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes but they are free to do the teen thing socially which annoy us adults instinctively

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: ahh

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: it make scense to just have everyone together

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: so what is the main sticking point to merging the grids do you think?

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: anyone fully opposed to the idea that someday LL may let teens access main grid?

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: it has to be profit based to survive

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: 1000%

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: hi everyone

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but why?

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: why not have teens and adults together like they are in WoW

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or anywhere online really....

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Ive never had a problem with it but Im a minority specially being a child av

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: cos of the sexxors

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: what difference does it make! They are here anyway

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are the sexxors, that's true

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: this is not WoW at all

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: ☆*¨¨*:•Xstorm!!!•:*¨¨*☆

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: just been there done that. they grate on us, they collect people like a game. they a/s/l they cant spell out words. they beg for things like we're their mommy. its been in every game and social community i have been in

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: lol

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: somethuing your not tellin us X

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they curse and do adult stuff because they are fascinated with what they type. and of course flood chat for the same reason

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well again Holodoc, the teens we're talking about are folks like Katharine Berry who wrote AjaxLife

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are smart, creative, polite....

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: for the most part

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes but thats not typical

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: but not all are so ideal

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of the ones who aren't are here already ;p

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: we all were teens, we know what we did and now that we arent its suddenly annoying hehehe

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but they are well suited in a teen environment where this is a natural if not accepted trend - except the adult stuff of course

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: and there is danger to them here

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: clarissa there is danger to them in the street when they go for food or cinema

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: when the "good" teens turn 18 and come here they say "OMG blue...i thought these were the adults"

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so we joke there are 2 grids...the mature grid

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the adult one

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC) blue

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: many of the teen people are better and nicer then some of the 22 year olds

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre right - they are usually referring to the college kids LOL

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because of course adults have earned the right to be asshats

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: i agree storm

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: :)

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they havent which is why so many are yelling at blondin as we speak

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: adults have many more years to hone asshattery

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: heheh

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: the problem is that there are to many bad older people in SL

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: teens are like adults, percentage of impressive ones, and a lot of...others. but running into adults here, they lack life experience to defend themselves from the worst types.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....so let's just say "teens annoy Holodoc"

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's fair

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i broke it down in my blog a couple weeks back :) if they were mature and knew how to have adult content on mature land they wouldnt be facing relocation

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: i do not idealise teens OR write them all off.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: most of the teens are creative

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehe

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but to Xstorm's point...

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: bad adults

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: can't say most teens are creative, any more so than you could say most adults are...they're just people. shouldn't idealise

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are everywhere online right?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: are there more here?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: concentration of effort, blue

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: teens annoy anyone who has been in a mixed cybercultural place. it's often the big problem for adults beside the psycho adult stalkers

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: one stop shopping

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: more here than many realize

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: my business partner was a teen and he was very mature but got moved to the teen grid

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: more than, say, myspace?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i am not talking about the minority who are well mannered etc

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i have seen 20 year old act like verry rude brats and have verry little to do with helping people and more to do with hate and griefing

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and by well mannered i dont exclude young at heart

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol yes x

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell agrees with the cluck

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: oh myspace i dont have teens allowed on my profile. there are settings

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay...let's take a step back....how many adults online are a threat to kids....ballpark guess

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: May I ask why LL would like to move teens in? That seems to be the thing missing from most Linden posts.

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'll get to that Clarissa...happy to say why I think it's the right thing to do

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: 5%, 10%?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i have no idea

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: very few

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: less

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: 10%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: no no

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: there was a questionnaire done

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: .1%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: id say less

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: No way to guess, accurately. Blue. LL should discuss it with an agency like PROTECT. org

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: who makes internet safety their full time concern.

''Excellent suggestion!''

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: 40%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: Blue, have you seen the report from Berkman Center?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: threat?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the news has made it seeem we are buried in sexual stalkers and child molesters

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: people who actively seek kids to do bad things? no no no not that much

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But I'd say even one bad adult is too much. (and okay)

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i agree Toy.....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I've watched many studies and listened to some serious fear mongering

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well it helps when theres some underground racket most of us dont know about that enss up on a youtube report

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: there's the flip side too, griefing an adult by making a false AR

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/pubrelease/isttf/

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: interesting reading

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: fear mongering? I'd say prudence instead

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks Yuu!

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: my best friends in SL are "kids"

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i also recommend reading the NYT article....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/technology/internet/14cyberweb.html?_r=3&hp

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Holocluck, I like kids too, no one's saying kids are 'bad'

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: yw. they mostly contend that children are threatened by their peers, more than anything

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: right

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: basically stating that there's no little evidence to support the idea that the Paedogeddon is upon us

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yep

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: remember if some one is rude and acts wrong infront of young people they in time will be as bad as the adult in the end

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: hey scope :)

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: prudence doesnt sell the news.... fear mongering does

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol pedogeddon.

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Scope Cleaver: Greetings

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: funny word.

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you might've heard the stat "1 in 5 teens are propositioned online"

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Chaves Shu salutes

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i hate to say it though this generation of kids in the western world have been dumped at young ages without supervision at the computer to do whatever with mixed company

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we are as much a victim of them

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: the teens come to sl to make real friends

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: maybe more because that IS common versus a genuine perv after them

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: that I agree with, Holo

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what they don't say is that it's to a very great extent by 1) their peers and 2) by adults they know in RL

''oops, that's what Yuu just said...guess I missed it ^_^;''

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: we do not keep young people from us we keep us from young people

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats just it

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay well, if it isn't an issue, why then segregate them at all. Let the grid stay as-is.

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and this doesnt negate that enough goes on offline

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: teachers step parents the usual gang

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: yeah, it's the real life props that are harmful

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: sorry

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I'll argue that the threat has been very much confused in the media and that there will be a lot of hysteria around any discussion of grid merge....

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we can disagree on the details, that's fair

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: hysteria is a strong word. i'd say concerns

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....you're probably right Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: a BIT of hystera and a lot of concern ㋡

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: WEll, i think there that LL got to do something about those ''kids'''i mean... its not bad that peope are joining but...

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: the hysteria around grid merge to the public is for different reasons

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol ok

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and mind you *I* lead a PG life in SL

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heh! many of us do

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: agree holocluck

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: yes Holo

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: so do I, holo... but then Im only 9 years old hehehe

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, with AO content changes coming to the viewer, it will be possible to "lock" teens out of your sim

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype shouts: hi Opensource!

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: see? the kids agree with me

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: not 100% of course....fake IDs will always exist

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well also annother consern, most people (thats what i believe) think that people like me in Uniforms are Kids... what is soo not true...

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Toy

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: but if they are safe, and if there is so little danger, why age verify, or lock teens out, etc. why move adult content.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: media do not understand that the problem is not the internet based part but the laws that let the ones that have broken the laws out and to get close to people to do it again

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats true of anything blue. that cant be stopped

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: clarissa let me explain it... because adult content isnt about kids seeing it. its about being forced to see it without consent

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa, I'd like to avoid discussing "Why AO?" as it's a totally different topic that could take up an hour easily

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and I'm not on that team hehe

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: forced? but you have to teleport

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay Blue

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Fair enough

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: im sure the teen grid has some over the age requirement

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Tabeamarie Helendale: Hi Blue

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly points to blondin's office hour where it is being discussed right now

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: the only way we as a people can stop this is by making new laws to screen people getting in to SL

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are discussions happening you can attend I believe.....Cyn just posted about it a few min ago

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hi Marie ㋡

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: got it cluck I"m not dense ;) The topic came up, though, about how safe the net is for teens :p

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Hello Blue, it's good to meet you :)

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i agree and feel there should be better screening for all sites with mature content intended for 18+

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hi Walden, thanks for coming by ㋡

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: and yes if a bad adult wish to get in to the teen grid i bet they can

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, I agree holo....it's a tough problem

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: true clarissa but its as safe as their PARENTS allow it to be for them

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Most parents aren't even home

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But anyway...

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's impossible to do ID checks in some countries due to national laws, for example

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: thats right

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, having parents watching their kids is the best solution, always

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Scope!

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: true

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Scope Cleaver: Greetings Timeless

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Great to see everyone here :) heh

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i ran teen grid for 3 years and could count on one hand the number of times a parent contacted me about their teen in SL :(

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: you dont want to end up like disney - in toontown online i cant talk to friends about a vacation because they have filters in place to catch anyone discussing where they are from and suspend them for three days. we dont need that here

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha...

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: oh good point holocluck

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: it is time that when some one joins we add new rules to the TOS

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, chat filters either completely prevent chat, or they don't work at all...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Hmm also that Child-porn issue in SL...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, will predated avs be grandfathered in?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes the parent is responsible for the kid but they always look at the site that let them in. LL doesnt need that headache

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: some dont even read the TOS

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because as we know, any @$$ can get around a filter

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: predated?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: thing is holocluck *I* don't want to have to act as all those kids' parent, basically turning all of SL into a babysitter.

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: to make it so any one that joins must be held by state laws and TOS rules

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue predated from when kids come in

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: teens have had access to the internet for many years, so there should be data out there for how many people have been affected negatively by a lack of content control

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chaves, Child-porn is illegal and disallowed...that won't change

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes in toonotown ditto the age so we have to get around numbers like won too tree just to explain what our tasks are to eachother.

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Or will they have to age verify too

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well, still people in SL dress up like kids and F**K

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: 'm right away

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol holocluck

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the SL rules arent really hard to obey.... heck oner 5 years for me and no AR that I know of

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, and they can be removed for it, Chaves

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Opensource Obscure: Dimitrio, I think Linden Lab sponsored a study about that. or something similar, I'm looking now

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: frankly i dont know how age verification works here. i answered questions and they said ok you're good

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as with RL, you can't prevent people from breaking the rules, only respond

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: you can AR the age play people you know

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well i reported allot of people, but still seems like LL is too busy with eating Donuts sometime

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: So - not sure about the grandfathering yet, Blue?

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure what you mean Clarissa, I'm sorry

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly played the slots in vegas at 16. looked mature for my age and acted well behaved. how hard was that

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: donuts mmmmmm

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: chaves has a good point, i.e. what happens when those same people get hold of real kids.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Chaves for one child av you find tasking part in sexual activities in SL I can find 50 who dont

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: in fact if y ou do not AR the Age Play you in fact are just as bad as them

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: more things on the internet the sl teens can get into that could do more harm..chat rooms xxx sites list goes on

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: actually Chaves, age reports get highest priority, but still....support folks need proof

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if there is no proof, they can't act of course

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue: Will existing accounts be considered age verified, or will they also have to age verify once the kids come in.

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: for example...

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: get a screen shot

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: As everyone in SL legally should be over 18 currently

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: is it because they suspect someone is young or because they see a kid av and figure its a teen?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: get real log text

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: i was flying in my helicopter for fun... exidently crashed into a skybox...

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah....sorry yes, if an account is age verified, it will should not have to verify again

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: versus actual sexual invovlement

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: and found 5 ''kid'' AV having Sexual activities with Adult Avatars..

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: AR it

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: that must be illegal right?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: holocluck a ped will use a cartoon if they can't get a live kid, is my best guess, and I used ot work with child protection agencies.

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as to there being a higher risk to teens after merge than there would be now, I'd say there should be NO way to specifically identify an account as a minor

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: you wont find teens wanting to be seen as a kid in SL.... they want to be dults!!! :)

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: no scarlet letter as it were

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Even, if they say its on PRIVATE territory?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm pretty sure most lindens would agree

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, that's true Toy

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: I verified one of my avs, can I not just get the rest of my avs verified by association?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue - no I meant existing no payment info people, but who legally agreed to SL they are over 18. Since everyone shouldbe over 18 here already, will existing NPIOF people have to age verify later, or only ones who join after teen day.

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes they will usually be macho boys and top heavy girls. in fact the boys might want to be the women to get off on themselves

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: ok what the heck is wrong with this pic !!! some one asking when they read the damn TOS and must know to AR that type of stuff

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure Timeless

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I think Blondin said they would be Timeless

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: took that simple step to do one of my other avs timeless.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa, i doubt it....credit card is not proof of age

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, preds have a way of getting info, it happens to adults here, too, and by hte time they realise the person is bad, it's too late.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: teens have cards ;p

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: WEll, i dont mind if people dress up like kids in SL... Sometimes People like to ''act'' like The Sims Game... and let 'm ''grow up''.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty Toy, ty Holo

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: chaves yes as long as it is PG

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I think your argument on peds getting info is true anywhere online Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue so everyone will have to age verify once kids come in....even if they are payment info already?

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Blue, do you cover technical issues with the age verification system? I have one...

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes it is Blue

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: if your gonna be a child av in SL you have to live under special rules

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as such, LL should provide more info on protecting oneself

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But until now it can't happen in SL

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it can clarissa

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: computer realign matrix

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: teens ARE on main grid

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there's a point beyond which nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I agree with that part Blue. They should have a mandatory safety class for minors if they integrate them here.

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>xstorm Radek bang head on desk

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: in SL, online, on the streets

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes htey are but peds don't come looking, as it would be a needle in a haystack now

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Toy, i think your right in some ways, well even like me, i like to wear uniforms... but not everyone allows that... but what about the Chicl Avatars?

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: child*

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Of course, kids are just less equipped emotionally, less life experience.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well again, i don't think it makes sense to label teens

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats the term i would use exactly about them clarissa

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so it wouldn't be any easier

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: thats true...

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: it's easier to keep the grids separate if possible

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and there are very few teens on TSL currently, compared to main grid

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Label teens, no, but they'd know they're here...one way to know is to try it but it seems a risky experiment.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so we're not talking about a significant increase in the ration of adults to teens

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Exactly, which is why currently peds wouldn't come shopping here, pardon the expression.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: you might consider using TSL as a beta grid for new features?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Didn't follow that last one

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'd argue they would Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: There are millions of adults, if you brough teens in, high ratio

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Also, i do not agree with the Age lowering from last year... the teens who joind are mostly griefers... as far as i know...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: kids are very reactive they'll tell you if something doesnt work :)

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'd think they'd join the star wars RP groups

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: you will find that a very high number of child avs in SL arent interested going to adult places... I often go t o concerts on M land but check first if lids are allowed

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: They would what, Blue? Sorry

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: age lowering Chaves?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Yes, earlier in SL you had to be 18 if im right to join SL...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: toy yes but they aer RL adults, different thing

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: now its lowered to 15...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: if im sure..

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: It's still 18 isn't it?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are groups here on main grid that are constantly losing members to support....lol Star Wars groups

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i hate to say this but there has been kids on hobo island and even when the hobo group on the island hides them and not AR them there still are people that AR underage people on the Adult grid

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: SL hasn't changed the age requirement Chaves

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Not following about Star Wars, sorry

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: most of them are older than the average SLer too. i like their taste in cartoons and toys

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well it was something about that in the blog... earlier2008

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: or it were plans...

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sorry clarissa....the point i was making was that I assume that someone looking for teens would check the main grid

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dont know hobo island only hobo town. is there a nudist colony or something with hobo in the name?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I like Holocluck's suggestion a bit back, about using teen grid to test some of this

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: sorry, if im not right.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes if there arent enough teens to warrant keeping TSL open combine its purpose

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: np Chaves, and no plans to change that

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Why would they...currently not supposed to be any here. Although yes, possible.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: 13 and 18 are legal distinctions not LL's

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: it seems there are to many people now days in SL that try to hide the fact that there are teens on the adult grid then trying to AR then

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Also, that US Federal investigation on SL... what happened about that?

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But nothing like, if currently here, imagine later, when it's publicised teens are everywhere here.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: clarissa, that's assuming people honestly think that teens would never lie about their age

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I'm saying they will go where it's easiest, most of them

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and if so, wouldn't they then try to get into teen grid?

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: my friend's kids will sometimes sit with her when she cmes in. but she goes to special places like 7Days bakery or my fishing place

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: If this were the only place on hte 'net, yes

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'd argue that's MySpace or Facebook ;p

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes they are probably thre for now. lol

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: one thing that really annoys me Blue is.......

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: there*

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but again, i think that we can disagree about the degree of the threat

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I can see we do

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we do agree that there will always be one though

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: For me one kid hurt is too many

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and we should work to mitigate it as best anyone can

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: myspace gets as bad a rap as here. all anyone has to do is check through the preferences and set it. it can be as safe or dangerous or spamridden as aanyone wants.

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its just that my friends stopped posting blogs there lol

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: It seems LL are set on this idea, so I can only hope they consult experts, and formulate a *mandatory* internet safety class

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: one of the choices for a AR is age-play..... it should be Sexual AgePlay.... anyone here who doesnt giver thier RL age is age-playing

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's true Holodoc, i shouldn't say those two places are exceptional in that respect

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: agreed Toy

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: well when people say ageplay they mean R rated

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: lol, he said Holodoc...

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: seems facebook naturally attracts adults because it is nofrills

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but any place can be a problem without parental controls

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: do you think that Adults are not just as bad as the young teen ? well take a look at all the silly people playing around as vampires and biting every one in SL

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i am sure we will give it the serious discusssion necessary

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and hopefully continued discussion with you guys

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the ongoing discussions about AO are a good indicator that we would

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol xstorm

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oddly, I haven't been approached by vampires

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Kill the vampires!

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Implementing consumer ideas will have to be seen

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: perhaps my big ol pointy choppers are too threatening to them

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES*:)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I usually see hte most naked avs/spampires in freebie malls or sandboxes. Places new people go.

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre already dead

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so....anyone want to hear my list of reasons WHY we need to merge grids?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol yes I'd say so Blue

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes was just going to ask that

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: yes please

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Id like to hear them

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i went to cordova once. never again

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Opensource Obscure: sorry for the offtopic, please answer me in IM - i'm experiencing a bug right now and I want to properly document it - anyone here is seeing this place like it appears in this photo? http://www.sluniverse.com/snapshots/355216.jpg

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the biggest one is that it's weird that we don't let parents hang out with their own kids

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: what started the rumours about LL wanting to join TG to MG (acknowledge that you've said it's not happening)? But I seem to recall some kind of misleading signals, but I can't put my finger on it...

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i see the only reason they would consider it is for financial reasons

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: befor i AR some one for not reporting some thing *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: LL keeping families apart is weird....I know some people who won't let their kids into TSL because they can't keep an eye on them there

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: opensource i see all the things here and most of hte people

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: parents can still be with the kids at the computer when they come into TSL

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, couldn't parents go into teen grid though, where the kid already are?

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they probably see more than we imagine

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: similarly i think it's terrible that our 18th birthday present for teens is "HAPPY BIRTHDAY now gtfo"

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Lol, Blue... SL should be more Secured... and under 18 kid cant just walk into an Sex-shop/store in RL, but why CAN he do it in SL?

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Be easy to vouch for them, being their own family.

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we take them away from their friends and the community they built

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: no they can not under the TOS

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Could change that, x

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: luckily that won't be the case when AO continent is in place

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its sort of like menudo for geeks

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue but isn't taht like leaving the nest IRL

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: different topic tho ;)

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: the teens already are in this grid

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: a person of a older age can not be at the computer with the kid

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: school, going to college, leaving home

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well kinda Clarissa...but you can always come home from school on the weekend

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can never go back to TSL

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes but eventually all will join them here

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: see well they can be in toontown and stick to premade chat so no one talks about geogrpahy or math homework and gets suspended

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: IMHO, TG suffers from "well we get kicked from TG one day, so why invest time in it", making it boring and enticing underage kids to come to MG

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: not without a background check and and island....which has never happened

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: true clarissa, but it's heartbreaking for them

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Parents/family could be vetted

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is it?

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i've had many teens cry on my shoulder and i feel terrible

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh yes

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: some really cuss me out

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but if you add the beta idea they may be intrigued that they can see stuff before the adults do

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: they get lonely I spect, Blue

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: cant you give them a grace period?

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: vetting family is tough....some very difficult issues with that

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is there

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: May I ask what

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, we let them say goodbye Holodoc

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Blue, if SL ''locks'' Adult Content Sims/regions/parcels with a code... or something else... then the Teens and the Adulds can live togheter in SL... like they already do in RL... but if SL gets more ''security'' then it shouln'd be a problem... eh?

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa....here's an example

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: why isnt there a group or outreach program here for them to start with made by and run by former TSLers?

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: Blue tell them how teen grid can not get lindens from there own family in the Adult grid

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: their goodbyes arent forever after all

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Adults* Doom... crapy spelling...

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: one parent snuck onto the teen grid once because their kid was being harassed.....they made RL threats against the other teen

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Holocluck good idea. A welcome committee sort of

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: shades of myspace! sorry i had to sa that

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes clarissa

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Oh. Little League parent syndroms

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: syndrome*

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah lol

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Ew, what if that happens in SL

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: "leave my kid alone" - "but all I did was tell them to stop firebombing my store"

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: being summoned people... good meeting... good luck

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it also means teens can't tell who is a problem....currently ANY adult gets reported immediately by teens....no questions asked

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: bye Walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: tc Walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: girl killed herself last yr when someone stalked her and made like a boy interested in her all because they thought she was talking about theri kid

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: we get a few new rezzies at NCI that have graduated TG

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: so segregation works to stop problems happening?

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: later walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah it will change if LL merges grids....something we have to consider

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes - Megan, holocluck. happened on Myspace

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: make them welcome

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh yeah, that was bad Holodock

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *doc

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: We have some former TSL here. what are your opinions about all this? dont be shy its a discussion. no enemies

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We do? Yes would love to hear their perspectives

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: segregation didn't stop the problem, no, but teens reported it very quickly

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Seems to work better...can know who's who easier

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so that brings up another point.....

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what precautions need to be taken before merge is possible

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: crap just lost inventory

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: AO continent, although not being done specifically for grid merge, would make it easier

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: did crap lose or you lost

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes precautions, good topic

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol Holocluck

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but what about the Little League Parent

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Blue, if a Report is beeing in action... i think a PICTURE/snapshot is needed...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre bad peoples regardless

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they wanna go to someone else's parent is one thing

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'd agree with Chaves that it becomes a reporting issue

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: dont attack kids

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so perhaps new abuse categories?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: like what?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: People often to Report, but they dont sent Snapshoyts...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: this is not the old days when we did a AR and yelled Blue

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: yes...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we shouldnt entertain this if it isnt going to be pursued.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: new Report Cetegories...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: LOL

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ahhhh the good old days hehehe

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Some people are worried about false ARs.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hmmm higher penalty for adult caught bullying someone they know is a kid

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: also set Snapshot sending ALWAYS on...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you mean did an AR and yelled AT Blue

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes that would be good

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: so Reports CANT be false...

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heh

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the report system as it is can be tweaked.....raising priority for Age reports lowers response time for example

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Would be good except I'd still be afraid to be around real kids at least at first - instead of bumping, and bombing, false ARing?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: did a AR years back do to a underage and had to use the code blue

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or raising penalty for griefing newbs in welcome area

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true but how to weed out false ones

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: griefing welcome areas...is bad...or sandboxes...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Well i think the Report priority should be Taken seriously directly...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: maybe less so if they were guarded?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: or or or burning welcome areas !!! ;)

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i have had many circmstances where i would have liked to AR someone because they blatantly acted like a teen trying to hang out here. but how do you do that? maybe a suspected minor category where someone runs a check

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: in Murray (region) where i usualy hangout are quiet allot spam and harrasements going on...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i think same problems exist with kids....support needs proof to act to keep people from using reports as a tool for abuse

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is it possible at all to hire people, economy is so bad it would be cheap, to guard areas which are open to public/kids?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: thanks blue I agree

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, holodoc.....sounding or acting like a teen doesn't help

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: When people Report stuff then it looks more like LL nor Lindens even LIKE to re-act..

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: no the underage person told us they was 10 years old

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: again...two grids, the mature grid and the adult grid lol

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i got good at telling how a kid acting grown up behaves

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if ONLY it were possible to send people to the immature grid

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I bet LL coiuld hire people for min. wage or even less in some countries, to stand and guard areas...and witness abuses. A lot of people would jump at basically being paid to play SL. lol

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: this is gonna take a huge amount of staff at LL to work these cases, is the total cost of ownership of a grid merge really worth it?

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: wow there would be so much room

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if they tell you, that counts x.....

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if it's in voice, report anyway

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: im for that one blue *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: ha yes can LL create an immature grid :)

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BTW, you know directly if an AV is an child, due his behavour, acting, way of chatting...

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there's usually evidence elsewhere

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I think a lot of these changes result in the sims being named M and PG instead of Mature and Immature

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you are almost positive Chaves, but dont have evidence you can report and explain why you think it

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well cost of server resources and bandwidth and staff versus legal more ARs adults leaving,

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i had a 89 % AR record

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Mature and Griefer. How about that? Think it'd work? :)

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: mature and cornfield :D

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: gheheh...

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: LOL

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i know that 6 of them seem silly

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: silly... brb

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well also in holland (where i usualy should be) residents REquest for more Police forcements on the streets...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: children of the cornfield

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: but it was a way to get things fix

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: why doesnt SL do something like that too...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: basically, I think that after 3 years running teen grid I have a lot of faith in those kids

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: more lindens INWORLD...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of them are really super creative.....they made all my best avatars, after all

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue the kids in there now who are willing to forego lack of the funzors stuff in SL are likely the creme de la creme

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of the ones I've met are polite overall

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Smart, and creative, and hard working. Not only in for funz

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: a combining of the MG and TG would bring more Lindens Inworld

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the really bad ones are no worse than the worst adult

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Chaves Shu nods...

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I agree on that, personality types same ratio kids or adults

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: maybe less bad as suggested earlier because they haven't had as much practice being jerks ;p

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: there are "good ones" whose social ways are grating to most adults

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its a cultural thing

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol I think it's more a question of dedication

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Well mostly an AV doesnt tell directly if the person behind the screen is a Child nor Adult...

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, some care very very much about SL

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true holocluck not all people like kids especially.

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they "get it" they are the always on generation

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: oh gee please do not let the idiots that i have had ban back in to SL even if they are 40 years old now

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: Hiro Pendragon was suggesting "inside" and "outside" - a concept that would make private 3D region truly private, is this something that can be implemented?

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I do, they are hte future but it isn't an issue of me personally :)

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Same as males who use FEMALE AV's in SL...

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue I agree, they grew up on computers and will make some awesome things

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i dunno timeless.....you mean a setting to take your sim out of SL's contiguous space?

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: no Blue

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: xstorm lol

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: basically draw a box in space in your parcel

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah parcel privacy....door locks that actually work hehe

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: if you're in it, you see everything, if you're out of that box, you don't see what's inside

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right....i suppose it would be

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Someone said they found a private island that was not able to be cammed into

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: how pretty would mainland be with that?

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and i would love it if it blocked water...so you could have an underwater space that was private AND dry ;p

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: you can keep underage people off your land now

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Good idea Blue

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: x yes if you haev private land you can do more, most ppl rent tho

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm the least technical linden....so I don't know how possible that stuff is

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yeh there iss an age verify setting

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: just go to about land and set it

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sometimes being the dumb one at the lab pays off though ;)

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true but that would keep almost everyone out

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: hee

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha, Well i wish the PRIM counts on SL's vehicles wanst a big problem eighter... then Cars Airplanes, Boats would be nicer...

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i don't have to be grid monkey EVER

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yeah but like go get yourself age verified.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: holocluck I read thru the existing way and it's a mess

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: better to be a mole just nort around me

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chaves, I saw someone with massive wearable vehicle that required a whole crew to rez all the many parts

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Was one reason I went premium

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dunno i had no trouble

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: was cool

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i cant even remember what i did

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the existing age verification has been in beta since first became a part of SL.... was a very poor one... the new way will have several alternatives

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i set snurky this past month

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but of course that's veering off topic a bit....lol I guess we're done with the topic then?

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: we kill moles and rats

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha, i made a nearly scaled Boeing 777 Airliner...

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: No Blue

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: did anyone have anything to add before we go complete mad?

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: tut tut x

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We haven't heard from the ex teen gridders here

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We'd like to

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: but got plans for anything betters, anyway lets get back to the topic

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: cluck and I at least

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah....one of the most famouse x teen gridders ;)

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: brb thirsty

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well if its like ebay was when i set up bank debiting at first, they will send a postcard to a billing address for filling out and returning. or enter a code on the poscard

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I"ll scroll when I get back

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: any ex-teen gridders want to pitch in? or have I acted as official TSL rep?

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I was way to old for TG when it was started hehehe

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: Daniel and Dimitrio are so quiet

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i think he's afk ㋡

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: lol

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: wait...Dimi?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i was talking about Daniel

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: my little brother... plays SL-Teen... well he likes it... aslong stuff doesnt get messed up...

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we bored them lol

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theres one i dont see today forgot his name. he likes to be snoopy

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol, speaking of sleeping, it's time for me to sleep, nite all

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: see that's the way to deal with teens who bug you Holodoc....bore them to death. They can't take it

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: night timeless!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: okiedoo Timeless

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: was nice to meet ya today

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heheh!!!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: sleep wel!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki><nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Oyasuminasai <Good Night> (^_^)</nowiki>

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: likewise Chaves

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty all

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: ^_^ :) Well, I think as being a FormerTGer, I think the grids should just remain the same. I was a famous TG Documentarian over there, 95 days ago.

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: take care timeless thanks for joining us ㋡

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: yw Blue

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: :)

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Weltrusten! (sleep well in Dutch)

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's true....the teen grid was Daniel's oyster

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: hmm...

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: yeah! I was famous over there

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: I transfered last December

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: well only recently i learned that there was 2 grids

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: definitely much harder to be famous here hehe

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: yep

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: what you did not show him how to do shoes ? OMG!

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehehe

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: his bear collection is earning him some fame here too. or at least on flickr :P

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BRB, got called by my Serge...

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielvoyager/

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Im not famous but known by many :)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Daniel is in the running to beat Torley as SL Flickr champion lol

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: bear collection. :)

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: And thanks to blue i have 2 seconds of infamy

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#SL_News - Indeed, Blue.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell needs more bearssss

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Daniel's been around a long time :)

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: Torley no longer has time any more

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>xstorm Radek gave you MM SVN Unsitter v1.00.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: he'smaking vidtuts for the rest of the internet

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I missed seeing you Blue at the Lindern tour I gave for Path on Monday :)

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>You decline Raglan Galaxy - Planet surface from A group member named Josephine Planer.

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we gonna go on more trips?

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh really Toy

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they get up too early for me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: if Daniel ever wish to see some one clean out 6 sims and rebuild them to scale he can watch me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, coming up on 5....thank you all very much for coming to office hour

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ya, he asked me to give a tour of Oxbridge to a group of Lindens

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: did any former gridders give their opinions? or want to?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'll post transcript on the wiki office hour page

Dashboard

2009-06-24T20:47:59Z

Blue Linden:

== 525 FAQ ==

'''Q''' - Beta, huh? What exactly does that mean?

'''A''' - This is a not-quite-finished redesign of the Second Life website. The beta testing process will help us sort out a few bugs, finalize a few launch features, and of course, we'd like to give you the ability to send us your feedback.

'''Q''' - Why are you redesigning the website?

'''A''' -The new site works as part of a system that allows more cross-functionality with Second Life, XStreet, the blogs, and the web as a whole. This is the foundation that will allow us to provide you with a more integrated experience.

'''Q''' - How long is beta testing going to take?

'''A''' - Expect to see the site launch in mid-July.

'''Q''' - Who can participate in the beta? Everyone?

'''A''' - Currently Beta is limited...not everyone will see the beta banner on the current site.
[[File:Beta_Banner.jpg]]

If you'd like to participate, click the banner when you see it on the front of the Second Life website.

'''Q''' - Why does it look so different from the Second Life viewer?

'''A''' - We are striving to provide consistency across both the viewer and the website. [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/06/12/viewer-2009 Viewer 2.0] will feature a similar design sense as well as better grouping of tools to make it both easier to use and easier on the eye.

'''Q''' - Why did you choose these specific elements?

'''A''' - We collected the most often used and functional aspects of the website on the Dashboard so you can see which of your friends are online, what your last purchase was, and how much L$ you currently have, as well as the latest blog posts, video tutorials, and grid status reports. Over time you can expect new widgets and functionality.

'''Q''' - If this is "My Dashboard" shouldn't I be able to customize it?

'''A''' - You should...and you will! Initially, however, some features will be limited; the layout and widgets aren't currently customizable. Eventually, you'll be able to prioritize the feeds and tools that are most important to you.

'''Q''' - I run a business in SL and depend on the website to track transactions. Is this change going to affect me?

'''A''' - All the functionality you depend on is still there, including Transaction (L$) and Account (USD$) Histories. You'll also find convenient reporting on your groups, parcels, and estates, as well as quick links to all your XStreet business.

'''Q''' - There are tools for Merchants and Landlords, what about educators, solution providers, promoters and the host of other business people inworld?

'''A''' - Over time, we'll expand the collection of widgets available, and provide the ability to bring content directly from the web to allow you to fully tailor your experience to your needs.

'''Q''' - Why does the map on My Dashboard work better than the one inworld?

'''A''' - It really does work wonderfully, doesn't it? That's the map upgrade Philip created for [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe Snowglobe]. It'll be the default map inworld as well, someday.

'''Q''' - I have some suggestions that would make this better, do you want to hear them?

'''A''' - We sure do! Click the "Please send us your feedback" to let us know what you think! If you have additional feedback, please email blue@lindenlab.com

'''Q''' - I think I found a bug, how do I report it?

'''A''' - Fantastic! Please Create a pJira task in the project: [http://jira.secondlife.com/secure/BrowseProject.jspa SL Dashboard Beta] and describe the problem, including any info you believe to be relevant, like the make and model of your browser.

'''Q''' - I think I'm done playing around with My Dashboard, and would like to return to the "old" look and feel of the Second Life website. How do I do that?

'''A''' - To return to the look and feel of the Second Life website that you're used to, log out of secondlife.com and log back in again.

Dashboard

2009-06-24T20:46:46Z

Blue Linden:

== 525 FAQ ==

'''Q''' - Beta, huh? What exactly does that mean?

'''A''' - This is a not-quite-finished redesign of the Second Life website. The beta testing process will help us sort out a few bugs, finalize a few launch features, and of course, we'd like to give you the ability to send us your feedback.

'''Q''' - Why are you redesigning the website?

'''A''' -The new site works as part of a system that allows more cross-functionality with Second Life, XStreet, the blogs, and the web as a whole. This is the foundation that will allow us to provide you with a more integrated experience.

'''Q''' - How long is beta testing going to take?

'''A''' - Expect to see the site launch in mid-July.

'''Q''' - Who can participate in the beta? Everyone?

'''A''' - Currently Beta is limited...not everyone will see the beta banner on the current site.
[[File:Beta_Banner.jpg]]

If you'd like to participate, click the banner when you see it on the front of the Second Life website.

'''Q''' - Why does it look so different from the Second Life viewer?

'''A''' - We are striving to provide consistency across both the viewer and the website. [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/06/12/viewer-2009 Viewer 2.0] will feature a similar design sense as well as better grouping of tools to make it both easier to use and easier on the eye.

'''Q''' - Why did you choose these specific elements?

'''A''' - We collected the most often used and functional aspects of the website on the Dashboard so you can see which of your friends are online, what your last purchase was, and how much L$ you currently have, as well as the latest blog posts, video tutorials, and grid status reports. Over time you can expect new widgets and functionality.

'''Q''' - If this is "My Dashboard" shouldn't I be able to customize it?

'''A''' - You should...and you will! Initially, however, some features will be limited; the layout and widgets aren't currently customizable. Eventually, you'll be able to prioritize the feeds and tools that are most important to you.

'''Q''' - I run a business in SL and depend on the website to track transactions. Is this change going to affect me?

'''A''' - All the functionality you depend on is still there, including Transaction (L$) and Account (USD$) Histories. You'll also find convenient reporting on your groups, parcels, and estates, as well as quick links to all your XStreet business.

'''Q''' - There are tools for Merchants and Landlords, what about educators, solution providers, promoters and the host of other business people inworld?

'''A''' - Over time, we'll expand the collection of widgets available, and provide the ability to bring content directly from the web to allow you to fully tailor your experience to your needs.

'''Q''' - Why does the map on My Dashboard work better than the one inworld?

'''A''' - It really does work wonderfully, doesn't it? That's the map upgrade Philip created for [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe Snowglobe]. It'll be the default map inworld as well, someday.

'''Q''' - I have some suggestions that would make this better, do you want to hear them?

'''A''' - We sure do! Click the "Please send us your feedback" to let us know what you think! If you have additional feedback, please email blue@lindenlab.com

'''Q''' - I think I found a bug, how do I report it?

'''A''' - Fantastic! Please Create a new issue in project SL Dashboard Beta and describe the problem, including any info you believe to be relevant, like the make and model of your browser.

'''Q''' - I think I'm done playing around with My Dashboard, and would like to return to the "old" look and feel of the Second Life website. How do I do that?

'''A''' - To return to the look and feel of the Second Life website that you're used to, log out of secondlife.com and log back in again.

User talk:Blue Linden

2009-06-24T20:44:39Z

Blue Linden: /* Wound up */

User talk:Blue Linden

2009-06-24T20:43:49Z

Blue Linden: /* Wound up */

Dashboard

2009-06-24T19:48:24Z

Blue Linden: /* 525 FAQ */

== 525 FAQ ==

'''Q''' - Beta, huh? What exactly does that mean?

'''A''' - This is a not-quite-finished redesign of the Second Life website. The beta testing process will help us sort out a few bugs, finalize a few launch features, and of course, we'd like to give you the ability to send us your feedback.

'''Q''' - Why are you redesigning the website?

'''A''' -The new site works as part of a system that allows more cross-functionality with Second Life, XStreet, the blogs, and the web as a whole. This is the foundation that will allow us to provide you with a more integrated experience.

'''Q''' - How long is beta testing going to take?

'''A''' - Expect to see the site launch in mid-July.

'''Q''' - Who can participate in the beta? Everyone?

'''A''' - Currently Beta is limited...not everyone will see the beta banner on the current site.
[[File:Beta_Banner.jpg]]

If you'd like to participate, click the banner when you see it on the front of the Second Life website.

'''Q''' - Why does it look so different from the Second Life viewer?

'''A''' - We are striving to provide consistency across both the viewer and the website. [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/06/12/viewer-2009 Viewer 2.0] will feature a similar design sense as well as better grouping of tools to make it both easier to use and easier on the eye.

'''Q''' - Why did you choose these specific elements?

'''A''' - We collected the most often used and functional aspects of the website on the Dashboard so you can see which of your friends are online, what your last purchase was, and how much L$ you currently have, as well as the latest blog posts, video tutorials, and grid status reports. Over time you can expect new widgets and functionality.

'''Q''' - If this is "My Dashboard" shouldn't I be able to customize it?

'''A''' - You should...and you will! Initially, however, some features will be limited; the layout and widgets aren't currently customizable. Eventually, you'll be able to prioritize the feeds and tools that are most important to you.

'''Q''' - I run a business in SL and depend on the website to track transactions. Is this change going to affect me?

'''A''' - All the functionality you depend on is still there, including Transaction (L$) and Account (USD$) Histories. You'll also find convenient reporting on your groups, parcels, and estates, as well as quick links to all your XStreet business.

'''Q''' - There are tools for Merchants and Landlords, what about educators, solution providers, promoters and the host of other business people inworld?

'''A''' - Over time, we'll expand the collection of widgets available, and provide the ability to bring content directly from the web to allow you to fully tailor your experience to your needs.

'''Q''' - Why does the map on My Dashboard work better than the one inworld?

'''A''' - It really does work wonderfully, doesn't it? That's the map upgrade Philip created for [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe Snowglobe]. It'll be the default map inworld as well, someday.

'''Q''' - I have some suggestions that would make this better, do you want to hear them?

'''A''' - We sure do! Click the "Please send us your feedback" to let us know what you think! If you have additional feedback, please email blue@lindenlab.com

'''Q''' - I think I'm done playing around with My Dashboard, and would like to return to the "old" look and feel of the Second Life website. How do I do that?

'''A''' - To return to the look and feel of the Second Life website that you're used to, log out of secondlife.com and log back in again.

File:Beta Banner.jpg

2009-06-24T19:47:21Z

Blue Linden:

Dashboard

2009-06-24T19:47:03Z

Blue Linden:

== 525 FAQ ==

'''Q''' - Beta, huh? What exactly does that mean?

'''A''' - This is a not-quite-finished redesign of the Second Life website. The beta testing process will help us sort out a few bugs, finalize a few launch features, and of course, we'd like to give you the ability to send us your feedback.

'''Q''' - Why are you redesigning the website?

'''A''' -The new site works as part of a system that allows more cross-functionality with Second Life, XStreet, the blogs, and the web as a whole. This is the foundation that will allow us to provide you with a more integrated experience.

'''Q''' - How long is beta testing going to take?

'''A''' - Expect to see the site launch in mid-July.

'''Q''' - Who can participate in the beta? Everyone?

'''A''' - Currently Beta is limited...not everyone will see the beta banner on the current site.
[[File:Beta_Banner.jpg]]
If you'd like to participate, click the banner when you see it on the front of the Second Life website.

'''Q''' - Why does it look so different from the Second Life viewer?

'''A''' - We are striving to provide consistency across both the viewer and the website. Viewer 2.0 (https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/06/12/viewer-2009) will feature a similar design sense as well as better grouping of tools to make it both easier to use and easier on the eye.

'''Q''' - Why did you choose these specific elements?

'''A''' - We collected the most often used and functional aspects of the website on the Dashboard so you can see which of your friends are online, what your last purchase was, and how much L$ you currently have, as well as the latest blog posts, video tutorials, and grid status reports. Over time you can expect new widgets and functionality.

'''Q''' - If this is "My Dashboard" shouldn't I be able to customize it?

'''A''' - You should...and you will! Initially, however, some features will be limited; the layout and widgets aren't currently customizable. Eventually, you'll be able to prioritize the feeds and tools that are most important to you.

'''Q''' - I run a business in SL and depend on the website to track transactions. Is this change going to affect me?

'''A''' - All the functionality you depend on is still there, including Transaction (L$) and Account (USD$) Histories. You'll also find convenient reporting on your groups, parcels, and estates, as well as quick links to all your XStreet business.

'''Q''' - There are tools for Merchants and Landlords, what about educators, solution providers, promoters and the host of other business people inworld?

'''A''' - Over time, we'll expand the collection of widgets available, and provide the ability to bring content directly from the web to allow you to fully tailor your experience to your needs.

'''Q''' - Why does the map on My Dashboard work better than the one inworld?

'''A''' - It really does work wonderfully, doesn't it? That's the map upgrade Philip created for Snowglobe. (http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe) It'll be the default map inworld as well, someday.

'''Q''' - I have some suggestions that would make this better, do you want to hear them?

'''A''' - We sure do! Click the "Please send us your feedback" to let us know what you think! If you have additional feedback, please email blue@lindenlab.com

'''Q''' - I think I'm done playing around with My Dashboard, and would like to return to the "old" look and feel of the Second Life website. How do I do that?

'''A''' - To return to the look and feel of the Second Life website that you're used to, log out of secondlife.com and log back in again.

Dashboard

2009-06-24T19:39:43Z

Blue Linden:

== 525 FAQ ==

'''Q''' - Beta, huh? What exactly does that mean?

'''A''' - This is a not-quite-finished redesign of the Second Life website. The beta testing process will help us sort out a few bugs, finalize a few launch features, and of course, we'd like to give you the ability to send us your feedback.

'''Q''' - Why are you redesigning the website?

'''A''' -The new site works as part of a system that allows more cross-functionality with Second Life, XStreet, the blogs, and the web as a whole. This is the foundation that will allow us to provide you with a more integrated experience.

'''Q''' - How long is beta testing going to take?

'''A''' - Expect to see the site launch in mid-July.

'''Q''' - Who can participate in the beta? Everyone?

'''A''' - Currently Beta is limited...not everyone will see the beta banner on the current site.
[[File:Banner.jpg]]
If you'd like to participate, click the banner when you see it on the front of the Second Life website.

'''Q''' - Why does it look so different from the Second Life viewer?

'''A''' - We are striving to provide consistency across both the viewer and the website. Viewer 2.0 (https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/06/12/viewer-2009) will feature a similar design sense as well as better grouping of tools to make it both easier to use and easier on the eye.

'''Q''' - Why did you choose these specific elements?

'''A''' - We collected the most often used and functional aspects of the website on the Dashboard so you can see which of your friends are online, what your last purchase was, and how much L$ you currently have, as well as the latest blog posts, video tutorials, and grid status reports. Over time you can expect new widgets and functionality.

'''Q''' - If this is "My Dashboard" shouldn't I be able to customize it?

'''A''' - You should...and you will! Initially, however, some features will be limited; the layout and widgets aren't currently customizable. Eventually, you'll be able to prioritize the feeds and tools that are most important to you.

'''Q''' - I run a business in SL and depend on the website to track transactions. Is this change going to affect me?

'''A''' - All the functionality you depend on is still there, including Transaction (L$) and Account (USD$) Histories. You'll also find convenient reporting on your groups, parcels, and estates, as well as quick links to all your XStreet business.

'''Q''' - There are tools for Merchants and Landlords, what about educators, solution providers, promoters and the host of other business people inworld?

'''A''' - Over time, we'll expand the collection of widgets available, and provide the ability to bring content directly from the web to allow you to fully tailor your experience to your needs.

'''Q''' - Why does the map on My Dashboard work better than the one inworld?

'''A''' - It really does work wonderfully, doesn't it? That's the map upgrade Philip created for Snowglobe. (http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe) It'll be the default map inworld as well, someday.

'''Q''' - I have some suggestions that would make this better, do you want to hear them?

'''A''' - We sure do! Click the "Please send us your feedback" to let us know what you think! If you have additional feedback, please email blue@lindenlab.com

'''Q''' - I think I'm done playing around with My Dashboard, and would like to return to the "old" look and feel of the Second Life website. How do I do that?

'''A''' - To return to the look and feel of the Second Life website that you're used to, log out of secondlife.com and log back in again.

Dashboard

2009-06-24T19:36:16Z

Blue Linden: Created page with ' == 525 FAQ == Q - Beta, huh? What exactly does that mean? A - This is a not-quite-finished redesign of the Second Life website. The beta testing process will help us sort ou...'

== 525 FAQ ==

Q - Beta, huh? What exactly does that mean?
A - This is a not-quite-finished redesign of the Second Life website. The beta testing process will help us sort out a few bugs, finalize a few launch features, and of course, we'd like to give you the ability to send us your feedback.

Q - Why are you redesigning the website?
A -The new site works as part of a system that allows more cross-functionality with Second Life, XStreet, the blogs, and the web as a whole. This is the foundation that will allow us to provide you with a more integrated experience.

Q - How long is beta testing going to take?
A - Expect to see the site launch in mid-July.

Q - Who can participate in the beta? Everyone?
A - Currently Beta is limited...not everyone will see the beta banner on the current site.
[[File:Banner.jpg]]
If you'd like to participate, click the banner when you see it on the front of the Second Life website.

Q - Why does it look so different from the Second Life viewer?
A - We are striving to provide consistency across both the viewer and the website. Viewer 2.0 (https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/technology/blog/2009/06/12/viewer-2009) will feature a similar design sense as well as better grouping of tools to make it both easier to use and easier on the eye.

Q - Why did you choose these specific elements?
A - We collected the most often used and functional aspects of the website on the Dashboard so you can see which of your friends are online, what your last purchase was, and how much L$ you currently have, as well as the latest blog posts, video tutorials, and grid status reports. Over time you can expect new widgets and functionality.

Q - If this is "My Dashboard" shouldn't I be able to customize it?
A - You should...and you will! Initially, however, some features will be limited; the layout and widgets aren't currently customizable. Eventually, you'll be able to prioritize the feeds and tools that are most important to you.

Q - I run a business in SL and depend on the website to track transactions. Is this change going to affect me?
A - All the functionality you depend on is still there, including Transaction (L$) and Account (USD$) Histories. You'll also find convenient reporting on your groups, parcels, and estates, as well as quick links to all your XStreet business.

Q - There are tools for Merchants and Landlords, what about educators, solution providers, promoters and the host of other business people inworld?
A - Over time, we'll expand the collection of widgets available, and provide the ability to bring content directly from the web to allow you to fully tailor your experience to your needs.

Q - Why does the map on My Dashboard work better than the one inworld?
A - It really does work wonderfully, doesn't it? That's the map upgrade Philip created for Snowglobe. (http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Snowglobe) It'll be the default map inworld as well, someday.

Q - I have some suggestions that would make this better, do you want to hear them?
A - We sure do! Click the "Please send us your feedback" to let us know what you think! If you have additional feedback, please email blue@lindenlab.com

Q - I think I'm done playing around with My Dashboard, and would like to return to the "old" look and feel of the Second Life website. How do I do that?
A - To return to the look and feel of the Second Life website that you're used to, log out of secondlife.com and log back in again.

User talk:Blue Linden

2009-06-12T21:38:46Z

Blue Linden: /* Wound up */

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts

2009-06-08T23:13:04Z

Blue Linden: /* Transcripts */

[[Image:bluemug.jpg]]

=====You have found transcripts from Blue's office hour!=====

Oftentimes, Blue&Crew are out exploring cool places on the grid...join us for [http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/eureka/blog/2009/04/07/liquid-electric Eureka Field Trips!] When someone requests a specific topic, however, we hash it out. In numerous instances, the feedback provided by folks like you has proven exceedingly valuable in informing my proposals and inspiring action on the issue. Thanks very much to all who've participated in the past!

Just so ya know, some of these transcripts are edited for clarity, and some are presented warts and all.

Editing may or may not include: Threading the discussions (as is evident by the timestamps), highlighting important bits, spell-checking, and removing the chit chat and joking around, except where it contributes to the discussion. Where not edited you can see that zany hijinx oft ensue.

== Transcripts ==

*[[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/February_6th%2C_2008|February 6th, 2008 - Social Networking]]
*[[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/March_5th%2C_2008|March 5th, 2008 - New Users and SLurls]]
*[[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/March_12th%2C_2008|March 12th, 2008 - On Office Hours]]
*[[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/March_18th%2C_2008|March 18th, 2008 - On Community in SL]]
*[[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/March_26th%2C_2008|March 26th, 2008 - On Prim Copiers]]
*[[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/April_18th%2C_2008|April 18th, 2008 - Endorsement Program]]
*[[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/June_18th%2C_2008|June 18th, 2008 - Sellers Registry]]
*[[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/June_3rd%2C_2009|June 3rd, 2009 - New Forums]]

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/June 3rd, 2009

2009-06-08T23:08:35Z

Blue Linden: New page: <nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks for coming everyone :D <nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: :) <nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: :( <nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>...

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks for coming everyone :D

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: :)

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: :(

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Hey Blue!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Hey Gayathi... Hey, wait a minute!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hi Mari!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Marianne McCann smiles

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: /sorry, everyone, I do not have a bear.

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I have been challenging people all week to come to my office hour....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: last week a number of protesters showed up after blondin's and we went into extra innings'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth wouldn't miss it for the world.

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: Blue did you ever find out if that metric is publically available

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: which metric?

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: the % oof 18 to 20 years olds to the total residents

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blue, Nika Talaj told us that we were to talk about the future of the SL Forums today... is that right?

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: eh... blues looking slighty green today

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I was hoping to Oryx!

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and that is very important as well

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Just around hte gills

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah, right sorry Thinder...I didn't get a response to that mail yet

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: wonder if it's my viewer

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: iz okay

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the metrics guys might be crazy busy

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so who else here did I IM to say COME TO MY OFFICE HOUR!

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Chris Norse: You invited me in the blog

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: this is a great sized group by the way....

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: well I had to im colossus to not pull my stuff on xstreet

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: not me... sorry I didnt come much recently though

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: glad you made it Chris

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Mike Denneny: btw blue

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Mike Denneny: Ill be in the HQ

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, it's been a while Rinoa :)

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: can we keep both the forums and the wiki

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Mike Denneny: in san fransisco

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: the only living part of the forums is the content creation part

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: I cant help it... work ends at 10 pm for me

'''<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well I had told people that we are looking at transitioning to new "Discussion Thread" system in the new Clearspace blog'''

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: oof

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: How well did that go over Blue?

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Oryx just handed me a notecard with a TON of quotes from people that don't like the idea

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Thunder, I beg to differ. Resident Answers is vital.

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: yeah thats not a sfunctional as the forums

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: ok Oryx

'''<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: first I should point out that I'm not talking about the SL Answers feature that's in beta now'''

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Woo!

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Right. That's a different topic.

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I will agree with that it still validates my point

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's something else...similar, but not what we want to use for forums

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the Disucssion threads are as seen here.....

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Can you describe what you envision for forums, Blue?

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/1315

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, that link is to a single thread

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so imagine that as the most basic element of any forum.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: on that basic level it's nice because it's threaded

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so it's easier to follow the various conversations that break out in a single forum thread

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's something that people have been asking for on the current forums for years and years

'''<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Fundamental difference I see: Can anyone create threads in this new world order?'''

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's the plan Mal, eventually

'''<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but what about the abilty to post pics scripts, links sigs and files?'''

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Thunder, you can see that there are all sorts of formatting options in the Discussion thread.....people are posting ferret pictures already

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives giggles

'''<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Will you port all existing Forum content over for reference? There are years worth of info there.'''

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: ok!

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden doesnt get the joke with the ferrets, btw.

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: agreed

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge will explain ferrets later

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, I'm not sure where that came from, but lolferrets certainly lighten the mood of that serious thread

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: oryx, the idea is to keep the old forums frozen, and availalbe

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: we wont be porting that information over.

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Soen Eber: and if people do decide to go somewhere else, will the information in the forums be copywrit?

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: lolferrets is smater than lolcats

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Oryx....what Gayathri said

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: so can we

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: when we ported the blogs to new setup, some info was lost....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: How easy will the old Forums be to find?

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we would hate to lose info that's in the current forums

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: so can we port the info over ourselevs

'''<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: What categories will the new forums have?'''

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Chris Norse: But what about losing the community that has built up in the old forums?

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hopefully pretty easy....they'll be searchable

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Right now even the Blog is buried and not easily noticable

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: like the stickys and the relevant discussions most of the sculpty tool makers talk there

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Nika, all the same categories I believe....and if people have new categories Ll should consider them

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: lolferrets

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chris....i would hope that people would continue posting

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blue, I sent you a link to a suggested forum format that we all came up with

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay thanks....let me look

'''<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chris...what do you think the best way to preserve community would be.....moving everyone at once, or moving threads one at a time?'''

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I think a catch all thread would be good too like on zomglolbbq on sluniverse

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Soen Eber: How about starting with the content creation forums? You're going to have a higher skillset there anyways, they can be good pathfinders

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sorry I didn't see the link Oryx....

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: i was just about to say, sorry, Oryx, missed any link.

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddhpv2fg_2f4cqj9g7&hl=en

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: It was in the Notecard. *blush*

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh sorry lol

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: can everyone see that?

'''<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: One category that was missing from the proposed categories was "General Discussion", which folks ardently wished for but we figured it was a lost cause :)'''

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's great thank you!

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: yyup

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: Hello all,

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Thanks, Oryx, this is really helpful.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Everyone at once would be the best way to do it. Or better yet, don't mess with what is not broken.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: came to add my vote to keep the Resident Forums

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: oof

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: The category list in the link was part of a proposal Qie Niangao and myself made to Robin many moons ago.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: that would be my preference :(

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i like that as well

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, we can pretty much replicate the existing functionality and subjects of the existing forums.....

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Was Nika and Qie who did it, really

'''<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: There were other elements to that proposal, such as BBCode to support script formatting :)'''

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the new software should allow for a number of improvements as well.....

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I'm sorry for coming in late Blue, but you're still considering that yahoo format?

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: a sidebar question is everyone who is currently banned from the forums still banned from the new one

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Gayathri...do you know if new Discussions support BBCode?

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's html isnt it?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: (Yahoo Answers is a different day/topic, Honeybear)

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and I heard a rumor that Prokofy is banned from the jira?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: How's you?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: ok, thanks

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks for coming HoneyBear :) We are talking about discussion threads

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, are the generalities set in stone?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: as long as they dont add marquee or blinking text I'm happy with whatever improvements

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: the rumor is likely not a rumor ^^

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: sorry, what's BBCode?

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: But... But... Blink is my favorite tag!

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the basic functions are there Mal, but we have a lot of flexibility

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge loves blink marquee tags lol

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel blinks

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe....BBCode is the formatting language for old blogs

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: RInoa - it' will be a new feature "Blinging text"

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: blinging

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: haha

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Um ... blink marquee tags are the "gesture spam" of forums

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden sadly has not used the Old Blogs much. :)

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: O.o

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: bling.... omg no :p

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Yes, depends on how the HTML is done as to whether it would be easy to quote a script and edit it.

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: what no bing?

'''<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, I mean: Is it for certain this is the platform that will, for certain, be migrated to, because the migration itself is guarenteed to take place?'''

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: text with flashy particals?

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: shiny text?

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Gayathri - oh, do stop by. We don't bite.

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: but it does support html, and has a wysiwyg editor for posting.

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Well, maybe Weston or Crazod...

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: shiny sculptie text

'''<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well Mal, that's the plan...'''

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: just make sure people dont write paragraphs with it

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: need to be very very very very very careful about allowing html on public forums...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Just checking.

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Sorry, but does bling text really matter? Function is more important that form..

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Outside the box, whatnot.

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i know what you mean Squirrel

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: I'm sorry for coming late as well, and apologise if i'm repeating, but we really need to be sure to keep an archive from the current forums - *all* the content

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: blue have you seen google wave?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you check the threads here... https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/1315

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki><nowiki>Soen Eber: BBCode allows you to type [i]text[/i] to get italicized text, for example</nowiki>

'''<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: That could work. Will there be a beta in which we can participate?'''

''Missed that question...we're in an Alpha of sorts with current Discussion threads....look for the JOIN THE DISCUSSION buttons on blog posts - blue''

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: that would be awesome

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can click REPLY and see the formatting tools

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: thats a given about the HTML... I can do a lot with HTML

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Squirrel - yea, our devs freaked when we first heard they could, but Clearspace has a pretty strong way of keeping htm code clean.

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm just waiting for griefy image uploads lol

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: I sense a borken spamming ao

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki><nowiki>Squirrel Wood: [16:22] Rizzy's HUDDLES EZ Animator Deluxe v1.3.0: Could not find animation 'look_everyone_landing11'.</nowiki>

'''<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Ah, speaking of griefy images.... who's going to be moderating this new forum?'''

''<nowiki>For discussion on Mods, skip ahead to [16:38] </nowiki>-blue''

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: beta for these forum threads Nika?

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: someone will upload goatse you know this

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I know Thunder @_@

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: oh god :(

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Blue: yes

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chris Norse: The current forusm have been pretty self regulating with regards to posted images.

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Thunderclap - would not be th' first time

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Squirrel Wood: to fix our ao, either put in the missing animations OR edit them out of the config notecard and reload it.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: For the entire forum structure, as intended.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Chris Norse: The community doesn't put up with that kind of crap.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Ya, can post images to the current ones. Aside from some issues with one member postin dead animals an vomit stuff, it's been largely respected

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, there are a number of discussions in progress....you should be able to see several

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: sadly there is always some idiot pushing

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: *puzzled* you mean, the comments areas on the existing blogs?

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: A moderator would be awfully nice. :)

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: I know I was really busy when I had the moderator job

'''<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Maybe just a voting system like on slashdot, so idiots will gradually be pushed "off the island"'''

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: thankless job for sure

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: here's a pic from existing blog

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: http://screencast.com/t/aIQWdpGW4Q

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: why is there an afk cloud in front of me?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: ur better off than i - i see no one at all

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can see the JOIN THE DISCUSSION button....

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I would be voted off pretty quicky Soen.

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Ah, yes, I've done that, as you know :)

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: /btw, which I love

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: and this is the format they'll be in?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: (the button, I mean. :) )

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there will also be a tab called Discussion that list all the threads in a category

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: But how do we see, for example, all the newest posts?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: ok

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Seon, that's a great point and one I wanted to mention

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Soen Eber: well they don't really get voted off Chris, its just you need to manually click on a + button to view their comment instead of having it show automatically

'''<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i brought it up at previous office hour talking about Moderation but worth mentioning again'''

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: (I hear an open mic)

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the vote button or the mute button

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i had a few people at last hour who loved the idea of muting people in blogs

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and some who hated it

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I like it as an option, Blue, though I will admit to only ever having used it once

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: nika, that's not yet enabled in the communities, but if you go to the Answers community, you'll see examples of widgets that show you all the current discussions.

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: it makes for cooler neves for me at tiems i can tell you

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure if Vote/Mute are options built in, but in some cases we may be able to create our own features...

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Sorry if I'm missing something but this looks just like the Blog to me?

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's the same software Oryx.....

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/answers

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: why not use a more advanced php forum layout

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: ah okay

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are a number of features including Forum tools and wiki tools

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: you can see 'popular questions', that can just as easily be 'popular discussions'

'''<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I am, I have to admit, rather puzzled here. Are you saying there will be a blog called "Forum", which will have sub-blogs formatted exactly as they current ones are? And therefore, no way to see the most current posts across the entire forum? And no way to search an individual area, such as scripting?'''

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the Thread tools have the "SL Answers" option

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: as well as options for 'new discussions', etc.

'''<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Nika, it's possible to create widgets that could do all the things you mention'''

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: I don't think you're going to get a positive reaction to anything Answers related today, Gayathri. *smile*

'''<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right now we are using threaded discussions to compliment blog posts'''

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Ah, ok.

'''<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but it's possible to create a very seperate Forum section, with different UI, different features etc'''

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Sorry, apparently I am missing something about SL Answers, Oryx.

'''<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's very very early in the process now :0'''

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Please yes, Blue!

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: :)

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Interesting. Is there any possibility of reformatting the section so that things are all more condensed?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Marianne McCann founded the "Answers" section confusing and a little hard to manage, and is glad to hear that the forums will be a somewhat different system

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: let me find an example.....

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: what Blue is saying.

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: possible

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: maybe this has been covered- and i apologize for the redundancy- but why cant the current forum be brought up todate software wise?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Blue, you keep saying widgets can be created, but the discussion forums have been a feted swamp when it comes to development andLinden love...

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: agrees with Soen

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I tried answers as well but it wasnt as functional as the forum

'''<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: this does not look like it would be easy to locate information'''

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and while the forum is old it is still good

'''<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I think that we have to work on making things easier to find'''

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: It doesn't, Honey. How's the search engine here, Blue?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge nods

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: (amar, no, they will be moving to the new clearspace software)

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Search is essential for the content forums, finding scripts, finding texturing tips, etc

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right now there are a couple things we need to change.....the sub channels don't act as aggregates for example

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i HATE that ;p

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: agreed Soen

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: will you be able to serach for something (say "door opening"), eg in both Scripting Tips and Script Library, for example?

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: (Thanks Nika)

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: yeah - what Soen said again ;-)

'''<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, no disrespect, but working on making things easier to find should be in place before any move'''

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: The current forums are a wealth of information

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: absolutely

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Here's a page from the company that makes the software

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: http://www.jivesoftware.com/customers

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: which is why so many of us came here...

'''<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Blue, that's the first feature that's on the list'''

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can see what dozens of their customers do with it

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: I hate that one too. Need aggregates

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: I read the Blogs *less* now since you went to the new software

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Honeybear, yeah....I agree....the forums are hugely valuable, not because of the software but because of what people have contributed

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: I can never find anything

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: What's the process going to be for getting to the new forums? Are you going to prototype the exact forum incarnation, and beta it? Or just jump to a clearspace blog and modify it as you go?

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Same here, Valentino, re: Blogs

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the easier it is to search that information the better

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: I used to use the 'latest' on the SL homepage to find stuff

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Valentino, Sorry to say, but I have to admit that too.

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I learned 90% of what I know from those forums and truly, 100% of SL history

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: hmmm

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we don't have plans to remove search or make it any harder to find things than it is now

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: me too - same as HB

'''<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Oryx, plan is definately to beta it'''

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: actually I like the blogs I am worried that it will decrease the use of the forums making it even harder for those who want to to get involved in sl

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: hence why blue was asking about 'does it make sense to beta with one group'

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we would like to start building up new forums without removing information or search......

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: good concern Thunderclap

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: (My feeling is yes, it does, to beta with one group and get as much feedback and features up as we can)

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well the long term plan, as with the blog part of the equation, is to create better communication tools

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: to let people get MORE involved

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Soen Eber: If search is crippled here, I can pretty much guarentee most of the content creation discussion will move to private boards. I'm a software developer r/l, and spend an hour a day on average searching. Its just that vital.

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: agreed we want that

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and to start integrating with the client

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Oooh I would LOVE to help beta!

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: what is the current time frame for development Blue?

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: agrees with Soen again

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and there are no functional private boards

'''<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so that for example, your inworld profile would be reflected on the blog/forums'''

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Likewise, Oryx

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: oh geez

'''<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: is that *really* necessary?'''

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agreed- with HB-

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: dont want that really

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, it's an option....not maditory

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but Soen, what do you mean?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I more or less leave my inworld persona behind at the door to the forum

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I am banned from sluniverse because their cabal hates me and decided to persoanlly attack me and I filed a suit against cristano

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I kninda like that idea

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: dont want what, Amaranthim, HoneyBear?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: no

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: not me

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: "if search is crippled" soen?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: no inworld profiles showing in the *forum*

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: thats the best private one

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: They don't want their inwolrd profiles to be hooked to the forum

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you mean in existing forums?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i prefer to be met and gotten to know bit b bit int e fourms

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: client intergration is something I see as vital... I really want to see more done here... perhapes we can even expand on profiles

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Ry Lock: inworld profile in forum Gayathri

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: and i have more than two or three posts under m belt

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Alexander9 Carver: hello blue!

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hi Alexander :)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Panda attack!

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: yea, search on the forums will be important.

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth sees no difference between the two, but I suspect I'm in a minority.

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ookay quick vote......

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel actually likes the idea of inworld profiles in the forums

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Blue, what I mean is 90 % of what people do when creating stuff is "borrow liberally" from other people's efforts that they freely conribute - the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing that many people in the science fields keep saying

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: at leats you didnt sit on me again alexander

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: no integrating the profiel into the new forum - does not please me

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Alexander9 Carver: vote 4 what?

'''<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Who hates the idea of profile being the same inworld and forum'''

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: new forums

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Aye

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: ae

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Nay

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I dont

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Nay

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Don't care

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: and aye to

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: nay

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Soen Eber: By crippled, I mean, unable to find material at least as well as you can now

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: nay

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Alexander9 Carver: i want new forums

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I am the same both places

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah right Soen....yes....we shouldn't remove any search functionality, we should only imrpove upon it

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i am me regardless- but

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but I do want the forum decorum linked to your account like everything else

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: no problem... wouldnt mine new profiles though

'''<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hmm....the group is pretty well split on the idea'''

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Alexander9 Carver: o hi mike denney. i didnt see u there

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we'll have to talk more about that in detail for sure

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: There are things in my current inworld profile i don't necessarily need some yokel seeing

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, have a radio button default to off?

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: hi everyone, sorry if I'm running into anyone

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: (you did say "who HATES" the idea, right? So a Nay vote means we do like it?)

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I am fairly high profile for "careers" and I don't need more IMs :(

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's an option *nods

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: I like profiles in forums. I like connecting what a person says on forums to who they are inworld. It gives me a frame of reference, puts their views in context with their inworld interests.

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: hey!

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: Gordon

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: in world i am a merchant. Forums i may socialise or be a content creator or help others -

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Chris Norse: But the idea of a forum ban meaning an inworld ban, I am totally against.

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or it might be I should say thehe

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i have nothing i wont share in either - but prefer the people get to knw me as i write

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: HB - it would seem, to me, that the inworld profile is another place that needs some severe retooling, no?

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and can we get single log in right now I have to log in 4 different places outside the client

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay Chris, let's stop on that a second.,....

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agreed with that Chris

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: HI NEW PEOPLE THANKS FOR COMING

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I am most concerned about the usability, such as the ability to quickly scan thread titles, search well, collaborate on scripts.

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I'm not new. :P

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: agreed Nika

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FORUMS and just starting 2nd half of the hour

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I'm still pushing for resident forum ops but I honestly doubt that'll ever happen

'''<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: where i want to talk about MODERATION'''

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Honeybear, last I checked forums are protected from ANYONE. Have to at least have an account.

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: agreed Nika

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: no mid inning stretch

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: ooo

'''<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chris says that it's bad to have people banned from inworld if they are banned from forums'''

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: although LL has asked for mods several times and gotten some good names

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: yes, most of those looking for jobs lol

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: a big stick is always good

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: this has always been the policy at the lab

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: hi Ciaran, long time no see

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I disagree

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I believe it's a bad idea

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Haha Gordon!

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the idea being that behavior in forums is representative of behavior inworld

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: reword that Blue

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Evil Titler v2: Riseon Kosten needs a new title! To set it, anyone may say the text on /68.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hey Doc

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: currently, if you are banned in world, you are also banned from blogs.secondlife.com (logging in and posting)

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Slow down for a sec guys, let the man speak.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Forum ban != inworld ban

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: banned for SL banned from forums or the other way around

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Evil Titler v2 whispers: Riseon Kosten has removed the Evil Titler.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Well, it makes sense if you can ban people from the grid if they get banned from one region/estate. Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: if you had done that back in 2005 a certain individual wouldnt have to be banned from the jira

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: both ways

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I would be very surprised if LL ever abandoned that policy, though it is widely resented.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: But

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: sounds good to me

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: ok shhh let Blue talk

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Feline Slade: It's a bad idea. People who are contributors to the forums now might feel the need not to contribute for fear of losing inworld assets to a ban.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you are suspended from forums, you can get suspension inworld as well

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I argue, I jump in with both feet in the forums. Inworld, I am always a perfect gentleman. It is the basis of our INworld Forum group. Inworld we show respect.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: how about punative damages

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's meant as a deterrent....

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: What Qie and I proposed was an appeals process.

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: I good place to learn about resident moderation is to take a good look a slashdot.org. They do have a history page discribing the plues and pitfalls of user moderation.

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Thunderlap, if it's the individual I'm thinking of he was banned from the JIRA just recently

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Chris Norse: If you mean deterrent to debate, then you might be right.

'''<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: QUICK VOTE....how many people think inworld suspension for forum violation does NOT act as a deterrent'''

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I DO NOT

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i agree. I think decorum is imprtantyes anbd he was banned from the old forums in 205

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: I DO NOT

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i think it wd act as a detterent

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: but also a deterrent to speak ones mind

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but have never been banned in world

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I suppose if someone did something so horrific that you simply didn't want them on the service at all, no matter where it happened, then yeah, but those circumstances are pretty rare.

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: It's a deterrent yes

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Chris Norse: It only acts to deter free debate

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I think it would act as a deterrant, but should be reserved for only the worst of the worst

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I think it acts as a deterrent, but it is oppressive

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: you need to ask the reverse too, though, Blue

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so those who say Do Not, think that we should stop removing people from inworld when we remove them from forums

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: depends on the criteria of banning surely?????

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: it's a detterent but not muchof onebecaus of lts

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: there is a certain form of expected behavior in a community it amazes me MORE people do not KNOW this

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Chris, you don't get free debate here anyway

'''<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: again, it looks a bit like we are split down the middle'''

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: You want free... Well...

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: I agree with Mari there

'''<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: this is a great crowd :D'''

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: It is a deterrant

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Yeah, there's not much left for free.

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i disgaree cheis being on second citizen until its death in 2007 I disagree

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: ook- i can think of one person in paticular whose conduct i wd have banned from the forums

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: suspension would be a deterrent

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo just discovers once and identify an object now in chat. "Just click on it like any other name in chat and a popup saying who and where the object owner is.

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: but wha the does inworld is beside the point

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Chris Norse: We get fairly free debate.

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: there is no freedom of speech with a TOS attached

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i dont like that kind of control

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: But inworld, he's fine Amara

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: blue, can you review why someone currently gets banned in the forums? (I actually dont know the policy)

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: it shouldnt be draconian

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Agreed Amaranthim

'''<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: However an inworld ban for forum behaviour should only apply if forum behaviour causes inworld harm'''

''Ah, that's an interesting variation on the theme...what would be an example of "inworld harm"? Loss of business due to libel? Would it have to be measurable? Good topic for future office hour. -blue''

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: agreed Ciaran

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: inworld = separate from forum

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: and hi

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: only the worst cases in forum violations should have an inworld ban

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes Gayathri, support handles them the same way as inworld ban

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: you shoudl come on the forums more often, Blue ;-)

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Hi HoneyBear

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: think PN

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: /nods

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel groans

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well okay, that's a good point for future discussion.....I think we'll come back to that again.

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and 4chan

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: how can you ask that question Blue without stating what the criteria is?

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: people should agree to disagree and not act like 4 year olds full stop its a community it has standards COMMUNITY STANDARDS

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: I thnk your chair if full Blue. :-)

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Soen Eber: I wonder if forum banning should be a side issue - what else needs to be discussed in the remaining 18 minutes?

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I might support it for disclosure violations, but not expressing opinions.

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: otherwise Forum bans would be enough... being different mediums people act differently between them

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I agree, Soen

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: My problem with far reaching bans is Lindens tend to shoot first and let God sort it out

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: The forum is a venue. Just like this office here. If someone misbehaves here, do you boot them out of the region, or completely off the grid?

'''<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: another point I wanted to pass by you guys was 3rd party moderation.....LL hiring a group to moderate for us'''

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: h hey

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but doc people wnat to act like 4yrs becaus ethat s what some people think is fun

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: thats where the peopl are!

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: hah

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: Dances how do you know this

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Soen: we need to make it VERY CLEAR that we need to keep the forums. In some way.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: you would know that how

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Marianne McCann wrinkles her nose

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, very crowded now....need ....bigger.....chair!

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: Guys - i'll give up my perch for someone else - it's way past bed-time here. I just wanted to add my support for the resident forums. G'night all

'''<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, surely you can get enough resident volunteers to moderate those forums'''

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Not XStreet forums, not SLU.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Agreed Chris, or deliberately trying to undermine an inworld business but just for getting in a huff with someone it's just stifling discussion

'''<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Soen Eber: 3rd party moderators. Wonderful, someone both the users and the Lindens can agree to hate.'''

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I used to mod for AOL...it was all resident based

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chris Norse: NC soft went to 3rd party moderation, didn't notice much of a difference.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol SOen :D

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: most people have no idea what the Gteam has to do on an average night

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: or who they are

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I have yet to a linden do something completely boneheaded without justication

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: so how could you deduce what they decide

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Blue, are you outsourceing moderation now in the blogs? Will you for the forums?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki><nowiki>Gordon Wendt: [expletive deleted] test viewers</nowiki>

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: lol...then you've been fortunate Thunder

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: And why outsource mods?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: in theory 3rd party moderators wouldn't be much of a difference at all...wanted to see if anyone hated the idea.....

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: 3rd party moderation: Depends on the 3rd party, but a company with no VW/MMO experience would likely screw things up worse.

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Valentino Tendaze: g'night all

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: interesting idea can we keep the xstreet forums live

'''<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so far nobody has told me they hate it violently'''

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: gn Valentino ;)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: nite Valentino :)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I hate the idea of 3rd party moderators

''there's one - blue''

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I'm not sure on that Blue. I mean, it does help s far as relieving pressure on LLs workforce, but I wonder if they'd be aware/sensitive to the history and mores of the forums and SL users?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I agree Gordon

''there's two - blue''

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Gordon, hi :)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: agreed with talarus as well look at soe matrix boards

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Agreed Mari

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Agree, mari

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Inara Pey: I hate it violently, Blue

''three -blue''

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: We need someone who knows SL

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I think it requires someone who knows SL, knows the players

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: why not 3rd party mods.....if the policy is the same, what makes non-lindens worse choice?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Marianne, are curent mods as you describe?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Not some schumck who can barely login to the interwebz

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: and is will to be a fair mod

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, it's the people. It's all about the people.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Lack of experience

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Mal - current mods? Where?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, they'd be well versed in forums

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Why not use resident volunteers?

'''<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, a third party has no idea of the culture in the forums, no vibe of the community, they will be resented and they have no contextual sense to anything said, use res-mods, pick a small group at first, use rotating groups if that'll work better and have a few lindens who oversight them'''

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: its not rocket science its parameters

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: power to em, mal

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Marianne, well... Lindens.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: I would have no problem with forum outsourcing as long as banning or suspension decisions were via ll and followed a fair procedure

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: power blue

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: that type of system works well enough with volunteers

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Why not just give demigod powers to some forum regulars in exchange for a slight tier bump?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: no one trusts resident volunteers with any major roles

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: the moderators in question would to have a repore with the frequent users of the Forums... experiance asside

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: ever

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Soen

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: even people from within wd be resented at first

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well Gordon, a moderation company would have experience with trolling etc etc

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: until the proved fairness

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: There's never going to be compensation.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Whoever is a moderator, they will not be senior Lindens like Blue here, so what does it matter whether they're a Linden or not?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Gordon, people have been volunteering for YEARS. No response.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Mal - those few who have done scarce moderation in the forums over the last ±2 years have been fairly well versed, yes

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Doc, we all trusted Strife didn't we?

'''<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: is knowing SL-specific trolling critical to the position?'''

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Not necessarily, Blue.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Soen, anyone who would want the power should not have it.

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, if you train your volunteers, they'd have the same experience

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: we really hate the idea of non-residents modding us

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blue YES

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, as far as I'm concerned the moderation company are trolls and you can quote me to the G-Team on taht

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Any idiot can set up a "community management" company.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah...resident moderation has not been well received by the forum folks

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: strife is hated by the SLuniverse cabal as well. He is an excellent mod

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: and sadl no matter waht

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: why would you use the word IDIOT

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: there will be calls of favoritsim

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: thats not even a point

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>laser Bumblefoot: yo

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I don't think it is so much the "resident" part as the "moderation" part.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: I adore Strife.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Gordon, you mean the existing support folks? cause we don't have 3rd party mods yet

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blue, why not? Because they want to (forum equivalent) run around naked on fire?

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Third party mods can be more suspiiable to playing politics with no oversight. Unliess there is a apeall to any moderation to LL, third pary mods are soso, if there is a apeal process that LL acually listen too, third pary mods would be good. Too many times i've seen mods/admin go on power trip simply becuase they didnt' like someone.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Strife burned himself out. or herself, I forget which.

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I, sadly, am the lone moderator on blogs @_@

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: poor you Blue

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: my condolences

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: I was going to say, I think Blue is the only moderator

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I don't know Talarus, I really think moderation is necessary

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i know

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Strife was fab. Millie and Cybin are not bad neither

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I am not disagreeing.

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Many of us here know exactly why

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: If there is 3rd party moderation, there DOES need to be an appeals process that involves Lindens.

'''<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: OKAY QUICK VOTE......3rd party mods GOOD or EVIL'''

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: EVIL

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Neutral.

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: So that no-one bans Carl Metropolitan again :)

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Depends

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Riseon Kosten: evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: neutral

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: good. :) I dont want blue to keep doing it

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: depends

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Lawrful neutral

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: Depends

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: UNDECIDED

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: just talking forums here Nika ;p

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith patpat's Blue

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Soen Eber: neutral to evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Neutral, but then I think most mods are evil

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Bradley Bracken: evi;l

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: rofl

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: the strange question is why is Linden Lab averse so often to the idea of people setting up in positions of authority when they have claimed to aim for "Your World, Your Imagination"

'''<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay...looks like we're leaning Chaotic Evil on this one'''

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Sin Toshi: neutral...depends on quality of moderation

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Marianne wins internets.

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: LOL

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, speaking into the future on that one, the whole idea of a 3rd party provider makes them seem olike trolls even though we don't know (officially) who they are yet

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Woot dungeons and dragons geeks

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Marianne McCann curtsies

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Blue, if you set youself as top mod that one can apeal to from lower mods, vote yes, if one can NOT apeal any moderator moderation, vote NO.

''I would prefer to see an Ombudsman role, personally....not sure how likely that is -blue''

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: In theory, neutral. In practice, well, experience says "ZOMG! NO!"

'''<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we have about 15 minutes left and I want to hit on a big topic here......MODERATION POLICY.....let me give a tiny intro to the topic first'''

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I have seen to much stupidity to think 3d party moad will work

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: Mods should be SLers' super secret alts - so no one knows who to hate

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Nika Talaj listens closely

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: lol

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: the question is... are forums supposed to be a resident to resident tool or a Linden Lab tool?

'''<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm an interim blog marm....we are hiring a Communications Manager to do this officially, but I'll be proposing a unified Moderation Policy for Blogs, Jira, Forums'''

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: If 3rd party mods come in I will happily give them as hard a time as possible until I am forum banned and will urge as many others who will listen to do teh same

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Trinity, why not both?

'''<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and that includes things like "do people get banned from inworld" etc etc'''

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, can you speak to whether the last comm. manager left willingly or was pushed? or is that confidential?

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki><nowiki>Oryx Tempel: [16:48] ChatBrat Pippita: Mods should be SLers' super secret alts - so no one knows who to hate [AGREED]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge waggs finger at Gordon

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Malarathi, if its resident to resident, then Linden Lab doesn't need to worry about it

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Wait ... will Jira participants lose the ability to close bugs, etc.?

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: please let Blue speak

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i really don't know Gordon

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: ok, fair enough

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Katt wouldn't drink the kool-aid.

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Who was last comm manager?

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: that's another job you'll never get anyone familiar with SL to do

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i came into work and catherine said HI BLUE....Blue...you're my favorite do you know that? lol

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: misc-2727 needs to be re-opened.

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: unless they were insane

''I guess that's me ;D -blue''

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: LET BLUE TALK

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I said, sure I'll help with blogs, but only if Gayathri protects me lol

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Poor Blue. Catherine is very persuasive

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Linden Lab doesn't hire 3rd party people to hopto your land to resolve disputes

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives giggles

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: they delegate that to land owners

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: One of my favorites too *flitters eyelashes*

'''<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: SO.....moderation....i am going to propose that it's the same for jira, blogs, forums'''

'''<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: consistency is critical'''

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: no but LL has outsourced first tier systems work for sims which from whwat I've heard is working well

'''<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I am not sure the Jira can share policy with the other two ... different community and needs'''

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: so if someone is banned from the forum, they cannot post in the jira??

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: that makes it easier for support or anyone else having to do the jorb.

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the level of moderation is what I'm concerned with here.....

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: hiya, sorry I was late, playing with my bike

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Trinity, it's useful because we can talk about... Well.. Stuff. It's useful to LL because they know what stuff we're interested in.

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah that's what I'm wondeering Nika

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, things are apparently changing on the wiki with the kb changes

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: so if someone is banned from the forum, they cannot post in the jira??

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I say let who ever did the adult move be the comm manamger they are already hated

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Oh bad idea

'''<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Chris Norse: But one thing to realize, so much of SL touches RL. To call things off topic, just because they merge.....is over moderations.'''

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Blue, consistency is nice. With subsection for each one, each area has its own quirks of edge cases.

'''<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: does anyone think that one of those three, say Jira, should be stricter?'''

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Malarthi, Linden Lab has its blogs and the associated specific formums... the rest of it is resident to resident

'''<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or perhaps that one should be fully un-moderated?'''

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: *thinks* I wouldn't strain to put the same policy for Jira

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: They're different areas Blue

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or do they all need a similar level of oversight?

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Fully unmoderated.

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: i think blogs and forum can share same policy

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Chris Norse: That sounds good.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agreed with chirs re the topic thing

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Similar policies

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: jira should be different

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blogs need administration, not moderation.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I think moderation on the JIRA works fine, if people get out of line Alexa or Rob act on it and they do a good job on it

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Sorry

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: Inara your chair is eating you

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Not blogs

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Jira

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth sighs

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: the cries of off topic have alwas annoyed the crap out of me

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Venue-specific rules should apply.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: (Actually, the current forums are largely unmoderated and doing well, I am kinda shocked)

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: wiki is generally find although I've had my issues with the g-team on taht

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Malarthi, what's the difference between administration and moderation

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Yes they are Nika

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: *fine

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: ?

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Agreed with HB. Jira needs to be stricter, as a tech resources. Others should be very hands off

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe yes, i am too Nika lol

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agrees with Nika

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: However, there can be some rules which are sacrosanct over all venues.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: we take cae of our own retty much

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Mostly things like the CS

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: blogs need moderation

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay, let's do some quick votes and then we can open this up for some freestyle discussion.....

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blogs need administration not moderation

'''<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: JIRA MODERATION SHOULD BE STRICTER.......YES or NO?'''

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Gayathri, things that we can't do that need to be done compose administration. Things that affect interpersonal relations are moderation. To me, at least.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: blogs need moderation

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: Nika on content creation and resident answers are alive and its in content creatoins best interest to keep it civil

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: YES

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: NO

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: YES

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: NO

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Blogs need moderation Oryx.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: YES

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hi Trinny :)

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: moderation implies cesorship

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: agrees with Orxy

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol mal

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: hi

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, assuming that the proposed wiki changes go through that's going to be an interesting test case on resident's being given certain abilities if they are trusted and useful

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: YES, my fist jira bug report got trash by jira trolls.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: yes

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: You're being censored Amaranthim.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Different, not stricter

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Everywhere.

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: censorship isnt evil if done correctly

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Fact of life.

''Looks like STRICTER is up by a nose -blue''

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....next quick vote.....

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: censorship implies freedom of speech its a business you have no freedom get over it

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: JIra doesn't need moderation, it needs to be more user friendly and really needs a entry-level version of itself

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: to some degree sure

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: I almost left the bug/opensource/etc/ community because of it.

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I agree on blog comments too, I wish they'd moderate those better

'''<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: FORUMS SHOULD NOT BE MODERATED AT ALL......TRUE or FALSE'''

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: but not stomped on when one disagrees

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Chris Norse: True

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Taking down pictures of Goatse is censorship. Everyone appreciates that.

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Riseon Kosten: TRUE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: false

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: i vehementaly disagree doc

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: True

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Blue that is a silly question

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: the illusion of freedom of speech is an illusion

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i dont like to see things shut down because one or more do nt agree

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: fals

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: true

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Sin Toshi: true

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: try it unmoderated

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: FALSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: False

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: FALSE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Depends on the forum.

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, it's been proposed here Trinity....

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Soen Eber: only for spammers and uberblantent trolls

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: TRUE

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I think you're trying to overgeneralize

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: We're been running unmoderated for months

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Fury Rosewood: moderated by those who deserve the power

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: yes, but completely without any control will obviosuly lead to madness

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Grey area. Try unmoderated if you like 4chan. :-)

'''<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: looks like most people are leaning towards moderation'''

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Proposal: Forum cornfield :D

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay one more....

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I mean FALSE! Read it wrong

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: secod citizen shwed that to fail dramatcially

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Moderation is not about power.

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: we DO need some mods though, Honey

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I agree

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Moderation is a nasty job.

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: due to people like P

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: yeah

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: HoneyBear, and how long is the "let this one die" thread now?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Mute takes care of P

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Sin Toshi: just add an ignore feature to the forum and open the throttle

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: why is that an issue?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: We have Mods Cybin pops in

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: MODERATE and CONSIDERATE moderation it very light-handed and desrireable in the forums

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: these are such loose questionsoffering no basis for an informed answer

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: It's a pain in the tail, and no one appreciates it.

'''<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: IS LIGHT MODERATION ALWAYS BETTER THAN HEAVY MODERATION @#*& YES or &*^$# NO'''

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: there is a purpose for the cornfield

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Yes!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Very light, yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: LIGHT, YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Feline Slade: Yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Soen Eber: YES DEFINATELY

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Light moderation is ideal.

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay that one was easy lol

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Riseon Kosten: @#*& YES

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Middle path.

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: yes

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: pie

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Fair moderation, I would say.

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: define light?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: chaotic good

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Simply someone who can step in and handle things when requested

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Fury Rosewood: yes fair moderation

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: UNDECIDED

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right Talarus

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: light =pie

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: light=oh please stop

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: pecan pie?

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: I would agree with light moderation, but also if needed, heavy with specific people

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: then no

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Sometimes, you have to be the heavy.

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: fair moderation is a win

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: but fair

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: choclate pie

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Bradley Bracken: Yes

'''<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, we seriously have been fine, but we do need someone who can stop the ugly when it gets tooooo ugly'''

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: There are times when one person in a really bad mood, do we punished them forevr for just that one rant?

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Flan

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: agreed HOney

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: agreed HoneyBear

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I have seen very little that mute wouldn't moderate

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: like afformention jira person

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Ardy Lay: I also agree with Honeybear

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: The forums have been unmoderated for months, and really, there have been few issues that weren't resolved by the community

'''<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: So it's almost 5 and I don't want to keep anyone that has to be somewhere so THANK YOU FOR COMING.....but I'll stick around for a bit and we can keep going'''

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Soen Eber: it could even be semi-moderated - voting buttons would only page a mod, instead of actually doing something -

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: The necessity is, to borrow from elemental ideals, water.

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Chris there are certain threads that should have been locked ages ago

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Driftwood Miles: define too ugly?

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because this is a good group....this kind of feedback is always very helpful to me

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: HB - they have not been unmoderated, but very lightly modded

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Vicious personal attacks Driftwood

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: i like the soen suggestin revoting on stuff fo rmoderation

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Agreed Mari

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: tenshi?

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Chris Norse: I usually disagreed with them being locked.

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Blue, it needs to be stated clearly how these various resources affect or don't affect one's inworld account

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: someone mentioned resident court of appeals........i don't think setting up resident court is do-able....

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: I've sen Strife, Millie, and Cybin close a thread or two, in severe cases

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: shopping cart disco

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: How is spam taken care of on the forums now?

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: extremely lightly Mari ;)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, did you see my comments before about the JIRA changes that are being worked on and how that may be a good test for resident semi-controlled systems?

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: I think a Linden court of appeals makes more sense.

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but i think a moderation policy should have an Ombudsman

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: lol....we yell them down Tech

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I don't think a Resident court would be fair

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: nods.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: I agree put it in the cornfield

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah...sorry I missed that one

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Unless you get Judge Judy

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Personally, I would love to have threads which give the thread starter control of when to lock them. That can be useful.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Nika, will people trust a Linden court more than a resident court?

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what kind of self-control Gordon?

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: "its time for the Peoples court

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Yes.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: oh, that would be nice Talarus

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: If LL has any openings for ombudsmen, let me know so I can update the resume

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i don't think they would trust resident any more than Linden

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: The Second People's Court

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: being able to lock my own thread....awesome

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Does Judge Judy even HAVE an email address, let alone an avatar?

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: blue: on the tech side, how are the stress tests doing? ppl have found lots of chinks in the usability

''A couple yes ....[http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-982 http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-982] -blue''

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: yes

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: That's a good idea Talarus

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Perfect example of a thread that should have been locked: http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=321832

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: maybe Linden Lab could have rndom Jury Duy

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: to the first on

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: The Lindens are the only ones who can lift a suspension or ban, therefore one must be able to appeal to them.

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: *random

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: You ask your question or make your point, and once it turns into "just ignore this and let it die", you can close it.

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ahhh, interesting Talarus....

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: That's why Judge Judy would be fair

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Yes, agreed

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: Jury Duty... eeek lag

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: let thread creator lock thread

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: thats what lolcats are for

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: YES~!

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: kara, stress tests on what in particular?

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, definitely

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: she doesn't understand technology

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: the new clearspace blogs, or on current forums?

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: It's a feature in the latest vBulletin, though, so you will hate it, Blue. :P

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i would assume that's not out of the question.....

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah really

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Oh thread creator = ability to lock thread is great

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I think she does she says she doesn't

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Talarus

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: actually it sounds okay to me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: There have been a couple of instances where my threads got derailed badly and I just wanted them stopped

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: why cant we use an updated vbulletin?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Nikole Veeper: Hey Eeryone

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Btw, is there any way to get the forums to display properlly on a wide screen monitor? The current narrow colume make it hard to read at times.

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Is that possible for the creator to lock their thread?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: and there Thunder, is the burning question

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: on the blog software, there was an earlier post about a stress test going on

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: well- while i agree with tht- the lock thing- i can see the Undead Thread wd have died an early death

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Alexa Linden knows more than she's announced so far but I gather with the KB2Wiki transfer some articles may be switching to a revision control system where kb article revisions would have to be vetted before changes were published, I gather that the power to do that and a few other housekeeping tasks are being considered being given to a small but expanding group of residents who help out on the wiki. I know Zai Lynch, and Strife Onizuka were at least asked for names that they'd recommend so I'm guessing they're names are on teh list

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, why CAN'T we stay with the existing forums, but upgraded?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: hear hear Honey!

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: that is truly the preference among the regulars

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: tht was mhy original quesiton when i arrived

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: keep but update

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki><nowiki>Kara Spengler: [of course, that could have just been a joke about the fact that the AC thread was probably going to get really big really fast]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Gordon, that sounds rumory to me @_@

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: The first part is true

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Because "that's not in our plans", HoneyBear. :-/

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: HoneyBear, I'm not sure when the decision was made....

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Was at Torley's office hours thing this morning

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: There will be resi mods for the wiki

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Blue, come on....decisions can be reversed *koff...homesteads*

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Blue, can it be unmade?

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Gordon - sounds better than that "Apple buying LL" rumor I heard today

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Malarthi, one sec and I'll give you the blog link and the wiki link where the convo asking for names took place

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I think the idea had been to find a system with more control over the ability for LL to create requested features

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: But as best I can tell resi mods can't create other resi mods

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: The new software is rather buggy, I've had more firefox crashes with that than anything else

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Nikole Veeper: we

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: ..and everyone knows, once LL makes their plans, nothing but nothing will change significantly. >.>

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: But we love the forums as they are :(

<nowiki>[17:01] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: apple buying ll would be good sort of

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: from what I can tell, clearspace allows for a lot more upgradability

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge agrees

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I know HoneyBear.....

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>ChatBrat Pippita: Whatever else you do, please limit the length of forum posts. I like informaton, not novels. :s

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Gordon, I'm staying out of this one. I'm tossing ideas from the sidelines.

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: It just feels like so much is being taken from us, the residents

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki><nowiki>Inara Pey: [17:01] Ciaran Laval: The new software is rather buggy, I've had more firefox crashes with that than anything else - ditto</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: the sad thing is though we can move en masse

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Limiting post length is kinda silly.

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: but so does vbulletin thats was slu uses

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Hey now, sometimes I gotta write a novel

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: we wd lose the influx of new blood

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: There is a Jira for the bugs wrt Firefox and the current blog

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: and most of the residents of the fourms

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: do not feel welcome at slu anyway

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Limit to 3 characters, please.

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i would like to think that LL isn't going to do anything to reduce the fuction of the forums.....but moving always sucks

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Well, beyond a certain limit, it gets to be a technical issue.

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Soen Eber: well there are a lot of tested forum platforms that allow flexibility, why go with something that's untested?

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: I can't stand the Jira

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Every post can consist of "LOL"

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Mal

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: aol

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blog post: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/support/blog/2009/05/26/announcing-the-knowledge-base-wiki-pilot

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: 140

<nowiki>[17:02] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: aok*

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Recommendations for wiki superusers thread

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zai_Lynch/Talkpage_Archive_03#Recommendations_for_wiki_superusers

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Nika, apparently having various firefox extensions running will cause it to crash.

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: I was wrong btw, it was torley not alexa

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: ie the calab hates everyone

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I've beenpracticing the art of 140 character messages ;P

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: so much change Blue, and it just doesn't feel good for us

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: I can't reply at all with opera on the new blog

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: don't know how I got those mixed up

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: but Ihavent gotten a list of WHAT extensions from Jive

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: nika, do you have that Jira number

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: I like change ^ ^

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Uhh.. Blue.. going from vBulletin to Clearspace or whatever that blog discussion thing is most DEFINITELY "loss of functionality".

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: Rinoa, how much time do you spend in the forum? ㋡

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: just depends on the change

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: I've got the links in my log Gordon, can I get back to you?

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge believes rinoa is insane, no one likes change

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Malarthi, np

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Thunderclap, only thing that's constant.

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Change is good.

<nowiki>[17:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe, Second Life is always changing, which definitely can make you nervous....

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's a very dynamic system

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: no much on SL's forum.. but I do use a lot of forums

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: A large number of the people here today use the forums on a very consistent, daily basis

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: especially pennies nickles and dimes

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: we moderate ourselves

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but the very important things that meant so much to me when i started 6 years ago as a resident have not changed

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: we help others

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: the wiki link is Torley asking Zai for names and Strife adding in as well, the blog link is teh announcement and keeps being updated as things move

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Yea if don't like our neighbor just wait a few months... it all changes

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: SL residents HELP EACH OTHER

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: JIRA: WEB-982 i believe

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are PASSIONATE

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are insanely CREATIVE

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and they're often super silly

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki><nowiki>Jira Issue Finder [WEB-982]: Problems for blogs.secondlife.com</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki><nowiki>Jira Issue Finder [WEB-982]: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:53:56 -0800 (PST)</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki><nowiki>Jira Issue Finder [WEB-982]: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-982</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki><nowiki>Jira Issue Finder [WEB-982]: The blog hung after posting, twice. Firefox/Mac. Just get a blank page back with "Done" in the status line. </nowiki>I think the fancy Javascript is probably responsible. It looks nifty to have turn right into a smiley, and so on, but it doesn't really provide significant benefits. Simplify simplify simplify. Additional problems: the frame vanished from around the comments, had to force reload to get it back. More appended in comments.

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: hehe

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: yes, this is true, but putting us into that format, doesn't look helpful

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: except every few years LL tris to kill the forum

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: They like PIE

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: I love you Blue

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: and will make us less passionate

<nowiki>[17:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: none of that has changed one bit

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, have you been blogging your travels for all 6 years?

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: But the Cake is a Lie!

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Yeah, but a lot of that is going away with the adult content policy. People can't get to the gulag to help one another.

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: I can say for certain, the cake is NOT a lie.

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: great, thank you for Jira link

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: wyn I have a shirt that says that

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Chris Norse: Blue the changes are why we are looking at the negative here not positives

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: oh sod off with adult content... this is about the forums

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Trinity Coulter: yw

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: no Gordon I haven't

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: in fact, I had cake today. :)

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Well, the Lindens haven't always tried to kill the forums, sometimes they just hope they'll die on their own...

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Nika Talaj makes a note to walk down the street to Jive and get them to move on their Firefox issues.

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, if you missed them I dropped in the blog and wiki links above

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: LOL

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Then Blue shouldn't segue, Oryx. :P

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: although you may want to wait to check them later

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: But Oryx? It's the quest way to a Godwin ever!

<nowiki>[17:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks very much Gordon :)

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: maybe your cake but THE cake is always a lie thats rule 22

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel whips off her pants and waves them in salute

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: that's gonna get you sent to the adult continent Oryx

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: Add 1 to 22 = 23

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: (that was a Forum joke)

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Rinoa Rives: anyway when it comes to upgrades I would still want to see more linkage to the SL world ... forums just seem somewhere else when I'm here... they could so easily be intergrated into the profiles at least

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: O.o! Forum joke! All the Lindens in the room, cover your eyes!

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh, by the way....have I mentioned that I LURVE my office hour?

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: But we have to keep trying till we run out of cake

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: I don't WANT my SL profile in the forums.....grrrrrr

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks very much for coming you guys, it's always really interesting

<nowiki>[17:06] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Dances, at least the science gets done.

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Blue - don't lurve it too much, or the blue chair goes to Zindra

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Yeah

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: make blonden the new commdirector

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: actually this is WAAAAY better than Blondin's. Poor Blondin.

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe....well, i hadn't heard anyone hating on the idea before now HoneyBear....and we'll keep talking about options

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith ponders looking at HoneyBear's profile "Is it naughty?"

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: hes hated already

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: either though a forum upgrade or someone who knows greasemonkey what I'd kill for is quick link parsing for JIRA issues in the forums

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>DancesWithRobots Soyer: but the neat guns keep breaking

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: I don't think you can redesignate Grasmere as "Adult"

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: pay me enough to stay home and I'll become commdirector

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: NO, Thunderclap! He's been a boon to Bay City, an we dun wanna let him go!

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Mari

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: When will the new Forums be ready for beta, Blue?

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: lol

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: And can we sign up?

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Two Weeks (tm)

<nowiki>[17:07] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden: Can I get back to you with that? :)

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: Blue - you should come hang out in the forums for awhile- get a good feel fo it

''Only been reading them for 6 years now ;D -blue''

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: Blue, have you been trying out the answers system at all yet?

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: "we're working on it"

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Amaranthim Talon: so u know what it is we are defending

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Gayathri Linden doesnt promise dates unless I know for sure.

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Meh. Blondin brought it on himself.

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth: Two Weeks™

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Nika Talaj: Lol! Can't blame a girl for trying, Gaya!

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Soen Eber: Why not just go with an opensource forum technology and wait for the users tocontribute needed improvements?

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki><nowiki>Marianne McCann: [RESOLVED][UPDATED]</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Nika, we're kind of playing with the Discussion format now.....but we won't have any actual date for a bit I don't think

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Techwolf Lupindo: Do the forums have polls?

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Ciaran Laval: Keep working on it for a couple of years

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what Gayathri said :D

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Ciaran

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Oryx Tempel: Techwolf, yes

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Kara Spengler: Blue: this is a nice time for it .... as soon as I can make the mental leap to there finally being *two* Linden OH that are not during the east coast work day :)

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: Ive seen polish people on it

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: o.O

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha Kara.....mine and Blondins?

<nowiki>[17:08] </nowiki><nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: <---polish</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: yeah, I wish they didn't overlap

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki><nowiki>Malarthi Behemoth is sad he's going to miss Blue's office hours starting in a couple weeks >.<</nowiki>

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Marianne McCann: Blondin needs a better time. Overlapping Michael and Bloo dun help me none

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: POlish people are so shiney :D

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Gordon Wendt: the secondlife forums, a more wretched hive of scum and villany you will never find, we must be cautious

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: Need to get Blondin to start a half hour earlier, or you start a half hour lter

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Nika Talaj works on her plot to contribute enough ideas to the Forum beta that they'll never launch.

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: later

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Gordon

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: hey!

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Doctor Gascoigne: Gordon tell us how you really feel LOL

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: take care Talarus

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: LOL Talarus

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Thunderclap Morgridge: you need to make blionden have 2 hours

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: or Nika

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>HoneyBear Lilliehook: good work Nika lol

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Wyn Galbraith: got confsued

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oops....nm

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Talarus Luan: That should have read *later

<nowiki>[17:09] </nowiki>Inara Pey: Thank you, Obi-Wan Wendt! ;)

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts

2009-06-08T23:07:59Z

Blue Linden: /* Transcripts */

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts

2009-06-08T23:07:06Z

Blue Linden: /* Transcripts */

User:Blue Linden/Office Hours/Wednesday

2009-05-30T20:41:04Z

Blue Linden:

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Topics:
* Oh you know...stuff and things. Lately we talk about blogs and communication tools quite a bit.
* We also talk about and travel to cool spots for [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/eureka Eureka, the SL Travel Blog]
* [[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts|Transcripts of Office Hours Past]]
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''Protesters Welcome!''

User:Blue Linden/Office Hours/Wednesday

2009-05-30T20:40:16Z

Blue Linden:

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Topics:
* Oh you know...stuff and things. Lately we talk about blogs and communication tools quite a bit.
* We also talk about and travel to cool spots in as part of [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/eureka Eureka, the SL Travel Blog]
* [[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts|Transcripts of Office Hours Past]]
|location=[http://slurl.com/secondlife/Grasmere/67/156/23?title=Linden%20Village Visit Blue's Office (chair)]
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''Protesters welcome!''

User:Blue Linden/Office Hours/Wednesday

2009-05-30T20:39:40Z

Blue Linden:

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Topics:
* Oh you know...stuff and things. Lately we talk about blogs and communication tools quite a bit.
* We also talk about and travel to cool spots in as part of [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/eureka Eureka, the SL Travel Blog]
* [[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts|Transcripts of Office Hours Past]]
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* Protesters welcome!

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts

2009-05-14T00:27:14Z

Blue Linden:

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts

2009-04-09T17:05:36Z

Blue Linden: /* You have found transcripts from Blue's office hour! */

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=====You have found transcripts from Blue's office hour!=====

Oftentimes, Blue&Crew are out exploring cool places on the grid...join us for [[https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/eureka/blog/2009/04/07/liquid-electric Eureka Field Trips!]] When someone requests a specific topic, however, we hash it out. In numerous instances, the feedback provided by folks like you has proven exceedingly valuable in informing my proposals and inspiring action on the issue. Thanks very much to all who've participated in the past!

Just so ya know, some of these transcripts are edited for clarity, and some are presented warts and all.

Editing may or may not include: Threading the discussions (as is evident by the timestamps), highlighting important bits, spell-checking, and removing the chit chat and joking around, except where it contributes to the discussion. Where not edited you can see that zany hijinx oft ensue.

== Transcripts ==

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_February_6th%2C_2008|February 6th, 2008 - Social Networking]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_5th%2C_2008|March 5th, 2008 - New Users and SLurls]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_12th%2C_2008|March 12th, 2008 - On Office Hours]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_18th%2C_2008|March 18th, 2008 - On Community in SL]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_26th%2C_2008|March 26th, 2008 - On Prim Copiers]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_April_18th%2C_2008|April 18th, 2008 - Endorsement Program]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_June_18th%2C_2008|June 18th, 2008 - Sellers Registry]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_25th%2C_2009|April 9th, 2009 - Grid Merge]]

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts

2009-04-09T17:00:09Z

Blue Linden: /* Transcripts */

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=====You have found transcripts from Blue's office hour!=====

You can tell from the dates below that not every week is represented. Don't let that discourage you from stopping by, we're there (almost) every week talking about what's important to you, LL projects that I want your feedback on, and of course the score from the Sox game.

Just so ya know, some of these transcripts are edited for clarity, and some are presented warts and all.

Editing may or may not include: Threading the discussions (as is evident by the timestamps), highlighting important bits, spell-checking, and removing the chit chat and joking around, except where it contributes to the discussion. Where not edited you can see that many hijinx ensue...feel free to join us every Wednesday for some spirited discussion!

== Transcripts ==

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_February_6th%2C_2008|February 6th, 2008 - Social Networking]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_5th%2C_2008|March 5th, 2008 - New Users and SLurls]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_12th%2C_2008|March 12th, 2008 - On Office Hours]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_18th%2C_2008|March 18th, 2008 - On Community in SL]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_26th%2C_2008|March 26th, 2008 - On Prim Copiers]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_April_18th%2C_2008|April 18th, 2008 - Endorsement Program]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_June_18th%2C_2008|June 18th, 2008 - Sellers Registry]]

[[Blue's_Office_Hour_-_March_25th%2C_2009|April 9th, 2009 - Grid Merge]]

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/March 25th, 2009

2009-04-09T16:58:47Z

Blue Linden: New page: ''After a short discussion with the nice folks of SLViews, and a few threads in the Resident Answers forum....oh and about ONE MILLION emails and IMs over the years....I present to you, ge...

''After a short discussion with the nice folks of SLViews, and a few threads in the Resident Answers forum....oh and about ONE MILLION emails and IMs over the years....I present to you, gentle reader, this transcript of a discussion that took place at my office hour on March 25th in this, the 2009th year since life spontaneously appeared on Earth. ''

''This transcript is edited very lightly for clarity. ''

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hiya Blue

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu salutes

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: heya ㋡

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: hello Sir!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Heyas Blue :)

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: how are youse guys doin, there?

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: fit as a fiddle :)

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype is fine and dandy

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki><nowiki>Blue Linden: <---Joe Pesci voice</nowiki>

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: tops

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: hello

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki><nowiki>Timeless Prototype: <--- Texan (fake) voice :D</nowiki>

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Sgt. Maj. Shu eports i!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: good good!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: youse yuots

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Pickle, Dimitrio

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: hi

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: Hello Timeless

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we're here!

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol Chaves, try another seat?

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehehe

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: ello

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi holla *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi xstorm

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Patty1

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi hi :-)

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol Toy, awesome

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so before we officially start, I thought I'd tell folks that I'm considering making text transcript of today's topic

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi Blue

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: howdy blue

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so if you don't want to be on record, let me know before you leave so i can edit you out

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: great thinking

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty Toy

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: since people are always asking me about this topic and it's easy to throw a URL at them and run ;)

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Welcommmme!!!

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: how dare them

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you were stopping by the office hour today to go on Eureka Field Trip, you're outa luck

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: aw

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's an old-skool "talk about controversial things" office hour :D

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: its ok :-)

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: next week we'll hit the road again hehe

'''<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: So welcome folks....it's just after 4 and I'll start pretty much on time in case this turns into a long conversation'''

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: let me start by saying that every 6-8 months for the last few years a Linden will say publicly something to the effect of....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: "we think it would be cool to let teens more broadly participate in SL"'''

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi holo

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and my inbox is full for the next 6-8 weeks'''

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette nods

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dont take strange things from strangers storm sorry

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heya blue LTNS

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hey Holodoc ㋡

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: methinks they are already here ;-)

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: lol

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: run Forest Run!!

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: im a old man neko that i can see

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I want to make it clear right up front, and you can call me a liar if you'd like...you wouldn't be the first....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are NO PLANS TO MERGE THE GRIDS'''

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: honest....it's not on the high priority list'''

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: really

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: tank you!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but I'm happy to talk about why i think we should do it

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BloodyBugger, hangn...

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: because you've never been in an online community or game with kids and teens?

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: What does that mean? No plans to bring minors into SL at all?'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Or a physical merge?

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right....we'd LIKE to do it, but it's a big project. We are not in a position to make it happen yet, and haven't even started the necessary conversations'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: they already here

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah they are

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: hiya holocluck :-)

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: hey Blue

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: hello morph!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe that's usually my argument when people say they don't want teens on the main grid.

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Sure

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: its gonna take a LOT of planning to be

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes teens are here....they are sneaky

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: im sure some younger then that

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: teens have uber energy and very creative

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: So they do wish to, it's more a matter of implementation.

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: no theyre obvious. they want sex and to throw lots of giant cubes everywhere

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I run into a few at Oxbridge or NCI

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heeh

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: primarily the teens on Teen Second Life are the “good teens”....they are the ones who are being honest....

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well...the ones without MG alts are anyway

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes but they are free to do the teen thing socially which annoy us adults instinctively

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: ahh

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: it make scense to just have everyone together

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: so what is the main sticking point to merging the grids do you think?

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: anyone fully opposed to the idea that someday LL may let teens access main grid?

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: it has to be profit based to survive

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: 1000%

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: hi everyone

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but why?

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: why not have teens and adults together like they are in WoW

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or anywhere online really....

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Ive never had a problem with it but Im a minority specially being a child av

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: cos of the sexxors

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: what difference does it make! They are here anyway

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are the sexxors, that's true

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: this is not WoW at all

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: ☆*¨¨*:•Xstorm!!!•:*¨¨*☆

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: just been there done that. they grate on us, they collect people like a game. they a/s/l they cant spell out words. they beg for things like we're their mommy. its been in every game and social community i have been in

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: lol

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: somethuing your not tellin us X

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they curse and do adult stuff because they are fascinated with what they type. and of course flood chat for the same reason

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well again Holodoc, the teens we're talking about are folks like Katharine Berry who wrote AjaxLife

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are smart, creative, polite....

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: for the most part

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes but thats not typical

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: but not all are so ideal

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of the ones who aren't are here already ;p

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: we all were teens, we know what we did and now that we arent its suddenly annoying hehehe

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but they are well suited in a teen environment where this is a natural if not accepted trend - except the adult stuff of course

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: and there is danger to them here

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: clarissa there is danger to them in the street when they go for food or cinema

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: when the "good" teens turn 18 and come here they say "OMG blue...i thought these were the adults"

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so we joke there are 2 grids...the mature grid

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the adult one

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC) blue

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: many of the teen people are better and nicer then some of the 22 year olds

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre right - they are usually referring to the college kids LOL

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because of course adults have earned the right to be asshats

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: i agree storm

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: :)

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they havent which is why so many are yelling at blondin as we speak

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: adults have many more years to hone asshattery

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: heheh

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: the problem is that there are to many bad older people in SL

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: teens are like adults, percentage of impressive ones, and a lot of...others. but running into adults here, they lack life experience to defend themselves from the worst types.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....so let's just say "teens annoy Holodoc"

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's fair

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i broke it down in my blog a couple weeks back :) if they were mature and knew how to have adult content on mature land they wouldnt be facing relocation

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: i do not idealise teens OR write them all off.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: most of the teens are creative

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehe

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but to Xstorm's point...

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: bad adults

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: can't say most teens are creative, any more so than you could say most adults are...they're just people. shouldn't idealise

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are everywhere online right?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: are there more here?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: concentration of effort, blue

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: teens annoy anyone who has been in a mixed cybercultural place. it's often the big problem for adults beside the psycho adult stalkers

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: one stop shopping

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: more here than many realize

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: my business partner was a teen and he was very mature but got moved to the teen grid

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: more than, say, myspace?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i am not talking about the minority who are well mannered etc

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i have seen 20 year old act like verry rude brats and have verry little to do with helping people and more to do with hate and griefing

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and by well mannered i dont exclude young at heart

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol yes x

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell agrees with the cluck

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: oh myspace i dont have teens allowed on my profile. there are settings

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay...let's take a step back....how many adults online are a threat to kids....ballpark guess

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: May I ask why LL would like to move teens in? That seems to be the thing missing from most Linden posts.

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'll get to that Clarissa...happy to say why I think it's the right thing to do

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: 5%, 10%?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i have no idea

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: very few

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: less

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: 10%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: no no

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: there was a questionnaire done

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: .1%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: id say less

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: No way to guess, accurately. Blue. LL should discuss it with an agency like PROTECT. org

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: who makes internet safety their full time concern.

''Excellent suggestion!''

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: 40%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: Blue, have you seen the report from Berkman Center?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: threat?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the news has made it seeem we are buried in sexual stalkers and child molesters

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: people who actively seek kids to do bad things? no no no not that much

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But I'd say even one bad adult is too much. (and okay)

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i agree Toy.....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I've watched many studies and listened to some serious fear mongering

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well it helps when theres some underground racket most of us dont know about that enss up on a youtube report

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: there's the flip side too, griefing an adult by making a false AR

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/pubrelease/isttf/

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: interesting reading

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: fear mongering? I'd say prudence instead

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks Yuu!

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: my best friends in SL are "kids"

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i also recommend reading the NYT article....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/technology/internet/14cyberweb.html?_r=3&hp

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Holocluck, I like kids too, no one's saying kids are 'bad'

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: yw. they mostly contend that children are threatened by their peers, more than anything

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: right

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: basically stating that there's no little evidence to support the idea that the Paedogeddon is upon us

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yep

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: remember if some one is rude and acts wrong infront of young people they in time will be as bad as the adult in the end

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: hey scope :)

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: prudence doesnt sell the news.... fear mongering does

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol pedogeddon.

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Scope Cleaver: Greetings

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: funny word.

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you might've heard the stat "1 in 5 teens are propositioned online"

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Chaves Shu salutes

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i hate to say it though this generation of kids in the western world have been dumped at young ages without supervision at the computer to do whatever with mixed company

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we are as much a victim of them

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: the teens come to sl to make real friends

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: maybe more because that IS common versus a genuine perv after them

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: that I agree with, Holo

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what they don't say is that it's to a very great extent by 1) their peers and 2) by adults they know in RL

''oops, that's what Yuu just said...guess I missed it ^_^;''

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: we do not keep young people from us we keep us from young people

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats just it

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay well, if it isn't an issue, why then segregate them at all. Let the grid stay as-is.

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and this doesnt negate that enough goes on offline

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: teachers step parents the usual gang

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: yeah, it's the real life props that are harmful

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: sorry

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I'll argue that the threat has been very much confused in the media and that there will be a lot of hysteria around any discussion of grid merge....

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we can disagree on the details, that's fair

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: hysteria is a strong word. i'd say concerns

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....you're probably right Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: a BIT of hystera and a lot of concern ㋡

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: WEll, i think there that LL got to do something about those ''kids'''i mean... its not bad that peope are joining but...

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: the hysteria around grid merge to the public is for different reasons

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol ok

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and mind you *I* lead a PG life in SL

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heh! many of us do

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: agree holocluck

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: yes Holo

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: so do I, holo... but then Im only 9 years old hehehe

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, with AO content changes coming to the viewer, it will be possible to "lock" teens out of your sim

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype shouts: hi Opensource!

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: see? the kids agree with me

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: not 100% of course....fake IDs will always exist

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well also annother consern, most people (thats what i believe) think that people like me in Uniforms are Kids... what is soo not true...

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Toy

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: but if they are safe, and if there is so little danger, why age verify, or lock teens out, etc. why move adult content.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: media do not understand that the problem is not the internet based part but the laws that let the ones that have broken the laws out and to get close to people to do it again

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats true of anything blue. that cant be stopped

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: clarissa let me explain it... because adult content isnt about kids seeing it. its about being forced to see it without consent

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa, I'd like to avoid discussing "Why AO?" as it's a totally different topic that could take up an hour easily

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and I'm not on that team hehe

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: forced? but you have to teleport

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay Blue

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Fair enough

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: im sure the teen grid has some over the age requirement

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Tabeamarie Helendale: Hi Blue

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly points to blondin's office hour where it is being discussed right now

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: the only way we as a people can stop this is by making new laws to screen people getting in to SL

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are discussions happening you can attend I believe.....Cyn just posted about it a few min ago

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hi Marie ㋡

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: got it cluck I"m not dense ;) The topic came up, though, about how safe the net is for teens :p

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Hello Blue, it's good to meet you :)

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i agree and feel there should be better screening for all sites with mature content intended for 18+

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hi Walden, thanks for coming by ㋡

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: and yes if a bad adult wish to get in to the teen grid i bet they can

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, I agree holo....it's a tough problem

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: true clarissa but its as safe as their PARENTS allow it to be for them

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Most parents aren't even home

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But anyway...

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's impossible to do ID checks in some countries due to national laws, for example

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: thats right

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, having parents watching their kids is the best solution, always

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Scope!

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: true

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Scope Cleaver: Greetings Timeless

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Great to see everyone here :) heh

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i ran teen grid for 3 years and could count on one hand the number of times a parent contacted me about their teen in SL :(

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: you dont want to end up like disney - in toontown online i cant talk to friends about a vacation because they have filters in place to catch anyone discussing where they are from and suspend them for three days. we dont need that here

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha...

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: oh good point holocluck

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: it is time that when some one joins we add new rules to the TOS

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, chat filters either completely prevent chat, or they don't work at all...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Hmm also that Child-porn issue in SL...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, will predated avs be grandfathered in?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes the parent is responsible for the kid but they always look at the site that let them in. LL doesnt need that headache

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: some dont even read the TOS

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because as we know, any @$$ can get around a filter

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: predated?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: thing is holocluck *I* don't want to have to act as all those kids' parent, basically turning all of SL into a babysitter.

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: to make it so any one that joins must be held by state laws and TOS rules

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue predated from when kids come in

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: teens have had access to the internet for many years, so there should be data out there for how many people have been affected negatively by a lack of content control

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chaves, Child-porn is illegal and disallowed...that won't change

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes in toonotown ditto the age so we have to get around numbers like won too tree just to explain what our tasks are to eachother.

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Or will they have to age verify too

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well, still people in SL dress up like kids and F**K

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: 'm right away

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol holocluck

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the SL rules arent really hard to obey.... heck oner 5 years for me and no AR that I know of

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, and they can be removed for it, Chaves

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Opensource Obscure: Dimitrio, I think Linden Lab sponsored a study about that. or something similar, I'm looking now

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: frankly i dont know how age verification works here. i answered questions and they said ok you're good

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as with RL, you can't prevent people from breaking the rules, only respond

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: you can AR the age play people you know

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well i reported allot of people, but still seems like LL is too busy with eating Donuts sometime

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: So - not sure about the grandfathering yet, Blue?

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure what you mean Clarissa, I'm sorry

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly played the slots in vegas at 16. looked mature for my age and acted well behaved. how hard was that

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: donuts mmmmmm

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: chaves has a good point, i.e. what happens when those same people get hold of real kids.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Chaves for one child av you find tasking part in sexual activities in SL I can find 50 who dont

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: in fact if y ou do not AR the Age Play you in fact are just as bad as them

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: more things on the internet the sl teens can get into that could do more harm..chat rooms xxx sites list goes on

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: actually Chaves, age reports get highest priority, but still....support folks need proof

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if there is no proof, they can't act of course

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue: Will existing accounts be considered age verified, or will they also have to age verify once the kids come in.

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: for example...

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: get a screen shot

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: As everyone in SL legally should be over 18 currently

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: is it because they suspect someone is young or because they see a kid av and figure its a teen?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: get real log text

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: i was flying in my helicopter for fun... exidently crashed into a skybox...

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah....sorry yes, if an account is age verified, it will should not have to verify again

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: versus actual sexual invovlement

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: and found 5 ''kid'' AV having Sexual activities with Adult Avatars..

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: AR it

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: that must be illegal right?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: holocluck a ped will use a cartoon if they can't get a live kid, is my best guess, and I used ot work with child protection agencies.

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as to there being a higher risk to teens after merge than there would be now, I'd say there should be NO way to specifically identify an account as a minor

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: you wont find teens wanting to be seen as a kid in SL.... they want to be dults!!! :)

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: no scarlet letter as it were

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Even, if they say its on PRIVATE territory?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm pretty sure most lindens would agree

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, that's true Toy

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: I verified one of my avs, can I not just get the rest of my avs verified by association?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue - no I meant existing no payment info people, but who legally agreed to SL they are over 18. Since everyone shouldbe over 18 here already, will existing NPIOF people have to age verify later, or only ones who join after teen day.

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes they will usually be macho boys and top heavy girls. in fact the boys might want to be the women to get off on themselves

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: ok what the heck is wrong with this pic !!! some one asking when they read the damn TOS and must know to AR that type of stuff

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure Timeless

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I think Blondin said they would be Timeless

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: took that simple step to do one of my other avs timeless.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa, i doubt it....credit card is not proof of age

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, preds have a way of getting info, it happens to adults here, too, and by hte time they realise the person is bad, it's too late.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: teens have cards ;p

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: WEll, i dont mind if people dress up like kids in SL... Sometimes People like to ''act'' like The Sims Game... and let 'm ''grow up''.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty Toy, ty Holo

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: chaves yes as long as it is PG

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I think your argument on peds getting info is true anywhere online Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue so everyone will have to age verify once kids come in....even if they are payment info already?

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Blue, do you cover technical issues with the age verification system? I have one...

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes it is Blue

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: if your gonna be a child av in SL you have to live under special rules

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as such, LL should provide more info on protecting oneself

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But until now it can't happen in SL

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it can clarissa

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: computer realign matrix

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: teens ARE on main grid

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there's a point beyond which nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I agree with that part Blue. They should have a mandatory safety class for minors if they integrate them here.

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>xstorm Radek bang head on desk

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: in SL, online, on the streets

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes htey are but peds don't come looking, as it would be a needle in a haystack now

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Toy, i think your right in some ways, well even like me, i like to wear uniforms... but not everyone allows that... but what about the Chicl Avatars?

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: child*

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Of course, kids are just less equipped emotionally, less life experience.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well again, i don't think it makes sense to label teens

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats the term i would use exactly about them clarissa

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so it wouldn't be any easier

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: thats true...

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: it's easier to keep the grids separate if possible

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and there are very few teens on TSL currently, compared to main grid

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Label teens, no, but they'd know they're here...one way to know is to try it but it seems a risky experiment.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so we're not talking about a significant increase in the ration of adults to teens

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Exactly, which is why currently peds wouldn't come shopping here, pardon the expression.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: you might consider using TSL as a beta grid for new features?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Didn't follow that last one

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'd argue they would Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: There are millions of adults, if you brough teens in, high ratio

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Also, i do not agree with the Age lowering from last year... the teens who joind are mostly griefers... as far as i know...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: kids are very reactive they'll tell you if something doesnt work :)

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'd think they'd join the star wars RP groups

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: you will find that a very high number of child avs in SL arent interested going to adult places... I often go t o concerts on M land but check first if lids are allowed

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: They would what, Blue? Sorry

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: age lowering Chaves?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Yes, earlier in SL you had to be 18 if im right to join SL...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: toy yes but they aer RL adults, different thing

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: now its lowered to 15...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: if im sure..

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: It's still 18 isn't it?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are groups here on main grid that are constantly losing members to support....lol Star Wars groups

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i hate to say this but there has been kids on hobo island and even when the hobo group on the island hides them and not AR them there still are people that AR underage people on the Adult grid

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: SL hasn't changed the age requirement Chaves

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Not following about Star Wars, sorry

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: most of them are older than the average SLer too. i like their taste in cartoons and toys

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well it was something about that in the blog... earlier2008

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: or it were plans...

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sorry clarissa....the point i was making was that I assume that someone looking for teens would check the main grid

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dont know hobo island only hobo town. is there a nudist colony or something with hobo in the name?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I like Holocluck's suggestion a bit back, about using teen grid to test some of this

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: sorry, if im not right.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes if there arent enough teens to warrant keeping TSL open combine its purpose

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: np Chaves, and no plans to change that

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Why would they...currently not supposed to be any here. Although yes, possible.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: 13 and 18 are legal distinctions not LL's

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: it seems there are to many people now days in SL that try to hide the fact that there are teens on the adult grid then trying to AR then

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Also, that US Federal investigation on SL... what happened about that?

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But nothing like, if currently here, imagine later, when it's publicised teens are everywhere here.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: clarissa, that's assuming people honestly think that teens would never lie about their age

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I'm saying they will go where it's easiest, most of them

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and if so, wouldn't they then try to get into teen grid?

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: my friend's kids will sometimes sit with her when she cmes in. but she goes to special places like 7Days bakery or my fishing place

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: If this were the only place on hte 'net, yes

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'd argue that's MySpace or Facebook ;p

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes they are probably thre for now. lol

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: one thing that really annoys me Blue is.......

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: there*

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but again, i think that we can disagree about the degree of the threat

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I can see we do

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we do agree that there will always be one though

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: For me one kid hurt is too many

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and we should work to mitigate it as best anyone can

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: myspace gets as bad a rap as here. all anyone has to do is check through the preferences and set it. it can be as safe or dangerous or spamridden as aanyone wants.

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its just that my friends stopped posting blogs there lol

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: It seems LL are set on this idea, so I can only hope they consult experts, and formulate a *mandatory* internet safety class

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: one of the choices for a AR is age-play..... it should be Sexual AgePlay.... anyone here who doesnt giver thier RL age is age-playing

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's true Holodoc, i shouldn't say those two places are exceptional in that respect

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: agreed Toy

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: well when people say ageplay they mean R rated

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: lol, he said Holodoc...

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: seems facebook naturally attracts adults because it is nofrills

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but any place can be a problem without parental controls

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: do you think that Adults are not just as bad as the young teen ? well take a look at all the silly people playing around as vampires and biting every one in SL

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i am sure we will give it the serious discusssion necessary

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and hopefully continued discussion with you guys

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the ongoing discussions about AO are a good indicator that we would

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol xstorm

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oddly, I haven't been approached by vampires

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Kill the vampires!

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Implementing consumer ideas will have to be seen

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: perhaps my big ol pointy choppers are too threatening to them

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES*:)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I usually see hte most naked avs/spampires in freebie malls or sandboxes. Places new people go.

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre already dead

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so....anyone want to hear my list of reasons WHY we need to merge grids?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol yes I'd say so Blue

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes was just going to ask that

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: yes please

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Id like to hear them

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i went to cordova once. never again

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Opensource Obscure: sorry for the offtopic, please answer me in IM - i'm experiencing a bug right now and I want to properly document it - anyone here is seeing this place like it appears in this photo? http://www.sluniverse.com/snapshots/355216.jpg

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the biggest one is that it's weird that we don't let parents hang out with their own kids

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: what started the rumours about LL wanting to join TG to MG (acknowledge that you've said it's not happening)? But I seem to recall some kind of misleading signals, but I can't put my finger on it...

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i see the only reason they would consider it is for financial reasons

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: befor i AR some one for not reporting some thing *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: LL keeping families apart is weird....I know some people who won't let their kids into TSL because they can't keep an eye on them there

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: opensource i see all the things here and most of hte people

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: parents can still be with the kids at the computer when they come into TSL

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, couldn't parents go into teen grid though, where the kid already are?

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they probably see more than we imagine

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: similarly i think it's terrible that our 18th birthday present for teens is "HAPPY BIRTHDAY now gtfo"

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Lol, Blue... SL should be more Secured... and under 18 kid cant just walk into an Sex-shop/store in RL, but why CAN he do it in SL?

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Be easy to vouch for them, being their own family.

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we take them away from their friends and the community they built

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: no they can not under the TOS

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Could change that, x

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: luckily that won't be the case when AO continent is in place

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its sort of like menudo for geeks

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue but isn't taht like leaving the nest IRL

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: different topic tho ;)

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: the teens already are in this grid

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: a person of a older age can not be at the computer with the kid

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: school, going to college, leaving home

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well kinda Clarissa...but you can always come home from school on the weekend

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can never go back to TSL

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes but eventually all will join them here

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: see well they can be in toontown and stick to premade chat so no one talks about geogrpahy or math homework and gets suspended

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: IMHO, TG suffers from "well we get kicked from TG one day, so why invest time in it", making it boring and enticing underage kids to come to MG

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: not without a background check and and island....which has never happened

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: true clarissa, but it's heartbreaking for them

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Parents/family could be vetted

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is it?

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i've had many teens cry on my shoulder and i feel terrible

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh yes

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: some really cuss me out

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but if you add the beta idea they may be intrigued that they can see stuff before the adults do

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: they get lonely I spect, Blue

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: cant you give them a grace period?

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: vetting family is tough....some very difficult issues with that

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is there

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: May I ask what

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, we let them say goodbye Holodoc

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Blue, if SL ''locks'' Adult Content Sims/regions/parcels with a code... or something else... then the Teens and the Adulds can live togheter in SL... like they already do in RL... but if SL gets more ''security'' then it shouln'd be a problem... eh?

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa....here's an example

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: why isnt there a group or outreach program here for them to start with made by and run by former TSLers?

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: Blue tell them how teen grid can not get lindens from there own family in the Adult grid

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: their goodbyes arent forever after all

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Adults* Doom... crapy spelling...

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: one parent snuck onto the teen grid once because their kid was being harassed.....they made RL threats against the other teen

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Holocluck good idea. A welcome committee sort of

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: shades of myspace! sorry i had to sa that

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes clarissa

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Oh. Little League parent syndroms

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: syndrome*

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah lol

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Ew, what if that happens in SL

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: "leave my kid alone" - "but all I did was tell them to stop firebombing my store"

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: being summoned people... good meeting... good luck

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it also means teens can't tell who is a problem....currently ANY adult gets reported immediately by teens....no questions asked

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: bye Walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: tc Walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: girl killed herself last yr when someone stalked her and made like a boy interested in her all because they thought she was talking about theri kid

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: we get a few new rezzies at NCI that have graduated TG

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: so segregation works to stop problems happening?

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: later walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah it will change if LL merges grids....something we have to consider

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes - Megan, holocluck. happened on Myspace

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: make them welcome

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh yeah, that was bad Holodock

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *doc

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: We have some former TSL here. what are your opinions about all this? dont be shy its a discussion. no enemies

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We do? Yes would love to hear their perspectives

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: segregation didn't stop the problem, no, but teens reported it very quickly

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Seems to work better...can know who's who easier

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so that brings up another point.....

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what precautions need to be taken before merge is possible

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: crap just lost inventory

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: AO continent, although not being done specifically for grid merge, would make it easier

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: did crap lose or you lost

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes precautions, good topic

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol Holocluck

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but what about the Little League Parent

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Blue, if a Report is beeing in action... i think a PICTURE/snapshot is needed...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre bad peoples regardless

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they wanna go to someone else's parent is one thing

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'd agree with Chaves that it becomes a reporting issue

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: dont attack kids

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so perhaps new abuse categories?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: like what?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: People often to Report, but they dont sent Snapshoyts...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: this is not the old days when we did a AR and yelled Blue

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: yes...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we shouldnt entertain this if it isnt going to be pursued.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: new Report Cetegories...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: LOL

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ahhhh the good old days hehehe

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Some people are worried about false ARs.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hmmm higher penalty for adult caught bullying someone they know is a kid

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: also set Snapshot sending ALWAYS on...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you mean did an AR and yelled AT Blue

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes that would be good

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: so Reports CANT be false...

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heh

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the report system as it is can be tweaked.....raising priority for Age reports lowers response time for example

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Would be good except I'd still be afraid to be around real kids at least at first - instead of bumping, and bombing, false ARing?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: did a AR years back do to a underage and had to use the code blue

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or raising penalty for griefing newbs in welcome area

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true but how to weed out false ones

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: griefing welcome areas...is bad...or sandboxes...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Well i think the Report priority should be Taken seriously directly...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: maybe less so if they were guarded?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: or or or burning welcome areas !!! ;)

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i have had many circmstances where i would have liked to AR someone because they blatantly acted like a teen trying to hang out here. but how do you do that? maybe a suspected minor category where someone runs a check

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: in Murray (region) where i usualy hangout are quiet allot spam and harrasements going on...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i think same problems exist with kids....support needs proof to act to keep people from using reports as a tool for abuse

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is it possible at all to hire people, economy is so bad it would be cheap, to guard areas which are open to public/kids?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: thanks blue I agree

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, holodoc.....sounding or acting like a teen doesn't help

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: When people Report stuff then it looks more like LL nor Lindens even LIKE to re-act..

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: no the underage person told us they was 10 years old

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: again...two grids, the mature grid and the adult grid lol

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i got good at telling how a kid acting grown up behaves

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if ONLY it were possible to send people to the immature grid

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I bet LL coiuld hire people for min. wage or even less in some countries, to stand and guard areas...and witness abuses. A lot of people would jump at basically being paid to play SL. lol

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: this is gonna take a huge amount of staff at LL to work these cases, is the total cost of ownership of a grid merge really worth it?

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: wow there would be so much room

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if they tell you, that counts x.....

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if it's in voice, report anyway

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: im for that one blue *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: ha yes can LL create an immature grid :)

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BTW, you know directly if an AV is an child, due his behavour, acting, way of chatting...

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there's usually evidence elsewhere

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I think a lot of these changes result in the sims being named M and PG instead of Mature and Immature

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you are almost positive Chaves, but dont have evidence you can report and explain why you think it

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well cost of server resources and bandwidth and staff versus legal more ARs adults leaving,

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i had a 89 % AR record

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Mature and Griefer. How about that? Think it'd work? :)

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: mature and cornfield :D

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: gheheh...

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: LOL

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i know that 6 of them seem silly

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: silly... brb

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well also in holland (where i usualy should be) residents REquest for more Police forcements on the streets...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: children of the cornfield

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: but it was a way to get things fix

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: why doesnt SL do something like that too...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: basically, I think that after 3 years running teen grid I have a lot of faith in those kids

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: more lindens INWORLD...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of them are really super creative.....they made all my best avatars, after all

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue the kids in there now who are willing to forego lack of the funzors stuff in SL are likely the creme de la creme

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of the ones I've met are polite overall

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Smart, and creative, and hard working. Not only in for funz

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: a combining of the MG and TG would bring more Lindens Inworld

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the really bad ones are no worse than the worst adult

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Chaves Shu nods...

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I agree on that, personality types same ratio kids or adults

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: maybe less bad as suggested earlier because they haven't had as much practice being jerks ;p

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: there are "good ones" whose social ways are grating to most adults

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its a cultural thing

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol I think it's more a question of dedication

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Well mostly an AV doesnt tell directly if the person behind the screen is a Child nor Adult...

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, some care very very much about SL

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true holocluck not all people like kids especially.

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they "get it" they are the always on generation

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: oh gee please do not let the idiots that i have had ban back in to SL even if they are 40 years old now

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: Hiro Pendragon was suggesting "inside" and "outside" - a concept that would make private 3D region truly private, is this something that can be implemented?

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I do, they are hte future but it isn't an issue of me personally :)

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Same as males who use FEMALE AV's in SL...

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue I agree, they grew up on computers and will make some awesome things

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i dunno timeless.....you mean a setting to take your sim out of SL's contiguous space?

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: no Blue

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: xstorm lol

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: basically draw a box in space in your parcel

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah parcel privacy....door locks that actually work hehe

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: if you're in it, you see everything, if you're out of that box, you don't see what's inside

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right....i suppose it would be

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Someone said they found a private island that was not able to be cammed into

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: how pretty would mainland be with that?

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and i would love it if it blocked water...so you could have an underwater space that was private AND dry ;p

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: you can keep underage people off your land now

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Good idea Blue

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: x yes if you haev private land you can do more, most ppl rent tho

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm the least technical linden....so I don't know how possible that stuff is

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yeh there iss an age verify setting

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: just go to about land and set it

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sometimes being the dumb one at the lab pays off though ;)

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true but that would keep almost everyone out

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: hee

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha, Well i wish the PRIM counts on SL's vehicles wanst a big problem eighter... then Cars Airplanes, Boats would be nicer...

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i don't have to be grid monkey EVER

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yeah but like go get yourself age verified.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: holocluck I read thru the existing way and it's a mess

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: better to be a mole just nort around me

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chaves, I saw someone with massive wearable vehicle that required a whole crew to rez all the many parts

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Was one reason I went premium

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dunno i had no trouble

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: was cool

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i cant even remember what i did

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the existing age verification has been in beta since first became a part of SL.... was a very poor one... the new way will have several alternatives

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i set snurky this past month

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but of course that's veering off topic a bit....lol I guess we're done with the topic then?

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: we kill moles and rats

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha, i made a nearly scaled Boeing 777 Airliner...

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: No Blue

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: did anyone have anything to add before we go complete mad?

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: tut tut x

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We haven't heard from the ex teen gridders here

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We'd like to

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: but got plans for anything betters, anyway lets get back to the topic

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: cluck and I at least

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah....one of the most famouse x teen gridders ;)

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: brb thirsty

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well if its like ebay was when i set up bank debiting at first, they will send a postcard to a billing address for filling out and returning. or enter a code on the poscard

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I"ll scroll when I get back

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: any ex-teen gridders want to pitch in? or have I acted as official TSL rep?

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I was way to old for TG when it was started hehehe

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: Daniel and Dimitrio are so quiet

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i think he's afk ㋡

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: lol

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: wait...Dimi?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i was talking about Daniel

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: my little brother... plays SL-Teen... well he likes it... aslong stuff doesnt get messed up...

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we bored them lol

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theres one i dont see today forgot his name. he likes to be snoopy

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol, speaking of sleeping, it's time for me to sleep, nite all

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: see that's the way to deal with teens who bug you Holodoc....bore them to death. They can't take it

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: night timeless!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: okiedoo Timeless

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: was nice to meet ya today

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heheh!!!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: sleep wel!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki><nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Oyasuminasai <Good Night> (^_^)</nowiki>

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: likewise Chaves

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty all

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: ^_^ :) Well, I think as being a FormerTGer, I think the grids should just remain the same. I was a famous TG Documentarian over there, 95 days ago.

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: take care timeless thanks for joining us ㋡

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: yw Blue

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: :)

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Weltrusten! (sleep well in Dutch)

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's true....the teen grid was Daniel's oyster

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: hmm...

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: yeah! I was famous over there

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: I transfered last December

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: well only recently i learned that there was 2 grids

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: definitely much harder to be famous here hehe

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: yep

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: what you did not show him how to do shoes ? OMG!

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehehe

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: his bear collection is earning him some fame here too. or at least on flickr :P

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BRB, got called by my Serge...

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielvoyager/

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Im not famous but known by many :)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:58, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Daniel is in the running to beat Torley as SL Flickr champion lol

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: bear collection. :)

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: And thanks to blue i have 2 seconds of infamy

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#SL_News - Indeed, Blue.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell needs more bearssss

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Daniel's been around a long time :)

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: Torley no longer has time any more

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>xstorm Radek gave you MM SVN Unsitter v1.00.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: he'smaking vidtuts for the rest of the internet

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I missed seeing you Blue at the Lindern tour I gave for Path on Monday :)

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>You decline Raglan Galaxy - Planet surface from A group member named Josephine Planer.

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we gonna go on more trips?

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh really Toy

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they get up too early for me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: if Daniel ever wish to see some one clean out 6 sims and rebuild them to scale he can watch me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, coming up on 5....thank you all very much for coming to office hour

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ya, he asked me to give a tour of Oxbridge to a group of Lindens

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: did any former gridders give their opinions? or want to?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'll post transcript on the wiki office hour page

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/April 9th, 2009

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User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts/April 9th, 2009

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''After a short discussion with the nice folks of SLViews, and a few threads in the Resident Answers forum....oh and about ONE MILLION emails and IMs over the years....I present to you, gentle reader, this transcript of a discussion that took place at my office hour on March 25th in this, the 2009th year since life spontaneously appeared on Earth. ''

''This transcript is edited very lightly for clarity. ''

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hiya Blue

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu salutes

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: heya ㋡

<nowiki>[15:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: hello Sir!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Heyas Blue :)

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: how are youse guys doin, there?

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: fit as a fiddle :)

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype is fine and dandy

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki><nowiki>Blue Linden: <---Joe Pesci voice</nowiki>

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: tops

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: hello

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki><nowiki>Timeless Prototype: <--- Texan (fake) voice :D</nowiki>

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Sgt. Maj. Shu eports i!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: good good!

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: youse yuots

<nowiki>[15:57] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Pickle, Dimitrio

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: hi

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: Hello Timeless

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we're here!

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol Chaves, try another seat?

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehehe

<nowiki>[15:58] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: ello

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ☆*¨¨*:•.•:*¨* hallo hello hi holla *¨¨*:•.•:*¨*☆

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi xstorm

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Patty1

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi hi :-)

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol Toy, awesome

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so before we officially start, I thought I'd tell folks that I'm considering making text transcript of today's topic

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi Blue

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: howdy blue

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so if you don't want to be on record, let me know before you leave so i can edit you out

<nowiki>[15:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: great thinking

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty Toy

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: since people are always asking me about this topic and it's easy to throw a URL at them and run ;)

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Welcommmme!!!

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: how dare them

<nowiki>[16:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you were stopping by the office hour today to go on Eureka Field Trip, you're outa luck

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: aw

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's an old-skool "talk about controversial things" office hour :D

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: its ok :-)

<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: next week we'll hit the road again hehe

'''<nowiki>[16:01] </nowiki>Blue Linden: So welcome folks....it's just after 4 and I'll start pretty much on time in case this turns into a long conversation'''

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: let me start by saying that every 6-8 months for the last few years a Linden will say publicly something to the effect of....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: "we think it would be cool to let teens more broadly participate in SL"'''

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: hi holo

'''<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and my inbox is full for the next 6-8 weeks'''

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette nods

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dont take strange things from strangers storm sorry

<nowiki>[16:02] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heya blue LTNS

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hey Holodoc ㋡

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: methinks they are already here ;-)

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: lol

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: run Forest Run!!

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: im a old man neko that i can see

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I want to make it clear right up front, and you can call me a liar if you'd like...you wouldn't be the first....'''

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are NO PLANS TO MERGE THE GRIDS'''

'''<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Blue Linden: honest....it's not on the high priority list'''

<nowiki>[16:03] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: really

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: tank you!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but I'm happy to talk about why i think we should do it

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BloodyBugger, hangn...

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: because you've never been in an online community or game with kids and teens?

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: What does that mean? No plans to bring minors into SL at all?'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Or a physical merge?

'''<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right....we'd LIKE to do it, but it's a big project. We are not in a position to make it happen yet, and haven't even started the necessary conversations'''

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: they already here

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah they are

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: hiya holocluck :-)

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: hey Blue

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: hello morph!

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hehe that's usually my argument when people say they don't want teens on the main grid.

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Sure

<nowiki>[16:04] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: its gonna take a LOT of planning to be

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes teens are here....they are sneaky

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: im sure some younger then that

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: teens have uber energy and very creative

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: So they do wish to, it's more a matter of implementation.

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: no theyre obvious. they want sex and to throw lots of giant cubes everywhere

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I run into a few at Oxbridge or NCI

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heeh

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: primarily the teens on Teen Second Life are the “good teens”....they are the ones who are being honest....

<nowiki>[16:05] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well...the ones without MG alts are anyway

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes but they are free to do the teen thing socially which annoy us adults instinctively

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: ahh

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: it make scense to just have everyone together

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: so what is the main sticking point to merging the grids do you think?

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Blue Linden: anyone fully opposed to the idea that someday LL may let teens access main grid?

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: it has to be profit based to survive

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes

<nowiki>[16:06] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: 1000%

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: hi everyone

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but why?

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: why not have teens and adults together like they are in WoW

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or anywhere online really....

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Ive never had a problem with it but Im a minority specially being a child av

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: cos of the sexxors

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: what difference does it make! They are here anyway

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are the sexxors, that's true

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: this is not WoW at all

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: ☆*¨¨*:•Xstorm!!!•:*¨¨*☆

<nowiki>[16:07] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: just been there done that. they grate on us, they collect people like a game. they a/s/l they cant spell out words. they beg for things like we're their mommy. its been in every game and social community i have been in

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: lol

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: somethuing your not tellin us X

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they curse and do adult stuff because they are fascinated with what they type. and of course flood chat for the same reason

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well again Holodoc, the teens we're talking about are folks like Katharine Berry who wrote AjaxLife

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are smart, creative, polite....

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: for the most part

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes but thats not typical

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: but not all are so ideal

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of the ones who aren't are here already ;p

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: we all were teens, we know what we did and now that we arent its suddenly annoying hehehe

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but they are well suited in a teen environment where this is a natural if not accepted trend - except the adult stuff of course

<nowiki>[16:08] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: and there is danger to them here

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: clarissa there is danger to them in the street when they go for food or cinema

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: when the "good" teens turn 18 and come here they say "OMG blue...i thought these were the adults"

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so we joke there are 2 grids...the mature grid

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the adult one

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC) blue

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: many of the teen people are better and nicer then some of the 22 year olds

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre right - they are usually referring to the college kids LOL

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because of course adults have earned the right to be asshats

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: i agree storm

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: :)

<nowiki>[16:09] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they havent which is why so many are yelling at blondin as we speak

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: adults have many more years to hone asshattery

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: heheh

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: the problem is that there are to many bad older people in SL

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: teens are like adults, percentage of impressive ones, and a lot of...others. but running into adults here, they lack life experience to defend themselves from the worst types.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....so let's just say "teens annoy Holodoc"

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's fair

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i broke it down in my blog a couple weeks back :) if they were mature and knew how to have adult content on mature land they wouldnt be facing relocation

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: i do not idealise teens OR write them all off.

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: most of the teens are creative

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehe

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but to Xstorm's point...

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: bad adults

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: can't say most teens are creative, any more so than you could say most adults are...they're just people. shouldn't idealise

<nowiki>[16:10] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they are everywhere online right?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: are there more here?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: concentration of effort, blue

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: teens annoy anyone who has been in a mixed cybercultural place. it's often the big problem for adults beside the psycho adult stalkers

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: one stop shopping

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: more here than many realize

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: my business partner was a teen and he was very mature but got moved to the teen grid

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: more than, say, myspace?

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i am not talking about the minority who are well mannered etc

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i have seen 20 year old act like verry rude brats and have verry little to do with helping people and more to do with hate and griefing

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and by well mannered i dont exclude young at heart

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol yes x

<nowiki>[16:11] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell agrees with the cluck

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: oh myspace i dont have teens allowed on my profile. there are settings

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay...let's take a step back....how many adults online are a threat to kids....ballpark guess

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: May I ask why LL would like to move teens in? That seems to be the thing missing from most Linden posts.

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'll get to that Clarissa...happy to say why I think it's the right thing to do

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Blue Linden: 5%, 10%?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i have no idea

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: very few

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: less

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: 10%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: no no

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>JulietAnn Devin: there was a questionnaire done

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: .1%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: id say less

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: No way to guess, accurately. Blue. LL should discuss it with an agency like PROTECT. org

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: who makes internet safety their full time concern.

''Excellent suggestion!''

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: 40%

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: Blue, have you seen the report from Berkman Center?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: threat?

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the news has made it seeem we are buried in sexual stalkers and child molesters

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: people who actively seek kids to do bad things? no no no not that much

<nowiki>[16:12] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But I'd say even one bad adult is too much. (and okay)

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i agree Toy.....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I've watched many studies and listened to some serious fear mongering

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well it helps when theres some underground racket most of us dont know about that enss up on a youtube report

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: there's the flip side too, griefing an adult by making a false AR

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/pubrelease/isttf/

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: interesting reading

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: fear mongering? I'd say prudence instead

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: thanks Yuu!

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: my best friends in SL are "kids"

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i also recommend reading the NYT article....

<nowiki>[16:13] </nowiki>Blue Linden: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/14/technology/internet/14cyberweb.html?_r=3&hp

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Holocluck, I like kids too, no one's saying kids are 'bad'

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: yw. they mostly contend that children are threatened by their peers, more than anything

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: right

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: basically stating that there's no little evidence to support the idea that the Paedogeddon is upon us

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yep

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: remember if some one is rude and acts wrong infront of young people they in time will be as bad as the adult in the end

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Yuu Nakamichi: hey scope :)

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: prudence doesnt sell the news.... fear mongering does

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol pedogeddon.

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Scope Cleaver: Greetings

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: funny word.

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you might've heard the stat "1 in 5 teens are propositioned online"

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Chaves Shu salutes

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i hate to say it though this generation of kids in the western world have been dumped at young ages without supervision at the computer to do whatever with mixed company

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we are as much a victim of them

<nowiki>[16:14] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: the teens come to sl to make real friends

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: maybe more because that IS common versus a genuine perv after them

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: that I agree with, Holo

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what they don't say is that it's to a very great extent by 1) their peers and 2) by adults they know in RL

''oops, that's what Yuu just said...guess I missed it ^_^;''

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: we do not keep young people from us we keep us from young people

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats just it

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay well, if it isn't an issue, why then segregate them at all. Let the grid stay as-is.

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and this doesnt negate that enough goes on offline

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: teachers step parents the usual gang

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Morph Wollongong: yeah, it's the real life props that are harmful

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: sorry

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so I'll argue that the threat has been very much confused in the media and that there will be a lot of hysteria around any discussion of grid merge....

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we can disagree on the details, that's fair

<nowiki>[16:15] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: hysteria is a strong word. i'd say concerns

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: okay....you're probably right Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: a BIT of hystera and a lot of concern ㋡

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: WEll, i think there that LL got to do something about those ''kids'''i mean... its not bad that peope are joining but...

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: the hysteria around grid merge to the public is for different reasons

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol ok

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: and mind you *I* lead a PG life in SL

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heh! many of us do

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: agree holocluck

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: yes Holo

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: so do I, holo... but then Im only 9 years old hehehe

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well, with AO content changes coming to the viewer, it will be possible to "lock" teens out of your sim

<nowiki>[16:16] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype shouts: hi Opensource!

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: see? the kids agree with me

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: not 100% of course....fake IDs will always exist

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well also annother consern, most people (thats what i believe) think that people like me in Uniforms are Kids... what is soo not true...

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol Toy

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: but if they are safe, and if there is so little danger, why age verify, or lock teens out, etc. why move adult content.

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: media do not understand that the problem is not the internet based part but the laws that let the ones that have broken the laws out and to get close to people to do it again

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats true of anything blue. that cant be stopped

<nowiki>[16:17] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: clarissa let me explain it... because adult content isnt about kids seeing it. its about being forced to see it without consent

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa, I'd like to avoid discussing "Why AO?" as it's a totally different topic that could take up an hour easily

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and I'm not on that team hehe

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: forced? but you have to teleport

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay Blue

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Fair enough

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: im sure the teen grid has some over the age requirement

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Tabeamarie Helendale: Hi Blue

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly points to blondin's office hour where it is being discussed right now

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: the only way we as a people can stop this is by making new laws to screen people getting in to SL

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are discussions happening you can attend I believe.....Cyn just posted about it a few min ago

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hi Marie ㋡

<nowiki>[16:18] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: got it cluck I"m not dense ;) The topic came up, though, about how safe the net is for teens :p

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Hello Blue, it's good to meet you :)

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i agree and feel there should be better screening for all sites with mature content intended for 18+

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Hi Walden, thanks for coming by ㋡

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: and yes if a bad adult wish to get in to the teen grid i bet they can

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, I agree holo....it's a tough problem

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: true clarissa but its as safe as their PARENTS allow it to be for them

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Most parents aren't even home

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But anyway...

<nowiki>[16:19] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it's impossible to do ID checks in some countries due to national laws, for example

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: thats right

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, having parents watching their kids is the best solution, always

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: hi Scope!

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: true

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Scope Cleaver: Greetings Timeless

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Great to see everyone here :) heh

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i ran teen grid for 3 years and could count on one hand the number of times a parent contacted me about their teen in SL :(

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: you dont want to end up like disney - in toontown online i cant talk to friends about a vacation because they have filters in place to catch anyone discussing where they are from and suspend them for three days. we dont need that here

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha...

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: oh good point holocluck

<nowiki>[16:20] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: it is time that when some one joins we add new rules to the TOS

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, chat filters either completely prevent chat, or they don't work at all...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Hmm also that Child-porn issue in SL...

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, will predated avs be grandfathered in?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes the parent is responsible for the kid but they always look at the site that let them in. LL doesnt need that headache

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: some dont even read the TOS

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: because as we know, any @$$ can get around a filter

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Blue Linden: predated?

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: thing is holocluck *I* don't want to have to act as all those kids' parent, basically turning all of SL into a babysitter.

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: to make it so any one that joins must be held by state laws and TOS rules

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue predated from when kids come in

<nowiki>[16:21] </nowiki>Dimitrio Lewis: teens have had access to the internet for many years, so there should be data out there for how many people have been affected negatively by a lack of content control

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chaves, Child-porn is illegal and disallowed...that won't change

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes in toonotown ditto the age so we have to get around numbers like won too tree just to explain what our tasks are to eachother.

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Or will they have to age verify too

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well, still people in SL dress up like kids and F**K

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: 'm right away

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol holocluck

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the SL rules arent really hard to obey.... heck oner 5 years for me and no AR that I know of

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, and they can be removed for it, Chaves

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Opensource Obscure: Dimitrio, I think Linden Lab sponsored a study about that. or something similar, I'm looking now

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: frankly i dont know how age verification works here. i answered questions and they said ok you're good

<nowiki>[16:22] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as with RL, you can't prevent people from breaking the rules, only respond

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: you can AR the age play people you know

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well i reported allot of people, but still seems like LL is too busy with eating Donuts sometime

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: So - not sure about the grandfathering yet, Blue?

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure what you mean Clarissa, I'm sorry

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly played the slots in vegas at 16. looked mature for my age and acted well behaved. how hard was that

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: donuts mmmmmm

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: chaves has a good point, i.e. what happens when those same people get hold of real kids.

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Chaves for one child av you find tasking part in sexual activities in SL I can find 50 who dont

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: in fact if y ou do not AR the Age Play you in fact are just as bad as them

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: more things on the internet the sl teens can get into that could do more harm..chat rooms xxx sites list goes on

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: actually Chaves, age reports get highest priority, but still....support folks need proof

<nowiki>[16:23] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if there is no proof, they can't act of course

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue: Will existing accounts be considered age verified, or will they also have to age verify once the kids come in.

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: for example...

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: get a screen shot

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: As everyone in SL legally should be over 18 currently

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: is it because they suspect someone is young or because they see a kid av and figure its a teen?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: get real log text

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: i was flying in my helicopter for fun... exidently crashed into a skybox...

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah....sorry yes, if an account is age verified, it will should not have to verify again

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: versus actual sexual invovlement

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: and found 5 ''kid'' AV having Sexual activities with Adult Avatars..

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: AR it

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: that must be illegal right?

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: holocluck a ped will use a cartoon if they can't get a live kid, is my best guess, and I used ot work with child protection agencies.

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as to there being a higher risk to teens after merge than there would be now, I'd say there should be NO way to specifically identify an account as a minor

<nowiki>[16:24] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: you wont find teens wanting to be seen as a kid in SL.... they want to be dults!!! :)

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: no scarlet letter as it were

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Even, if they say its on PRIVATE territory?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm pretty sure most lindens would agree

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, that's true Toy

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: I verified one of my avs, can I not just get the rest of my avs verified by association?

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue - no I meant existing no payment info people, but who legally agreed to SL they are over 18. Since everyone shouldbe over 18 here already, will existing NPIOF people have to age verify later, or only ones who join after teen day.

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes they will usually be macho boys and top heavy girls. in fact the boys might want to be the women to get off on themselves

<nowiki>[16:25] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: ok what the heck is wrong with this pic !!! some one asking when they read the damn TOS and must know to AR that type of stuff

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'm not sure Timeless

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I think Blondin said they would be Timeless

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: took that simple step to do one of my other avs timeless.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa, i doubt it....credit card is not proof of age

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, preds have a way of getting info, it happens to adults here, too, and by hte time they realise the person is bad, it's too late.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: teens have cards ;p

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: WEll, i dont mind if people dress up like kids in SL... Sometimes People like to ''act'' like The Sims Game... and let 'm ''grow up''.

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty Toy, ty Holo

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: chaves yes as long as it is PG

<nowiki>[16:26] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I think your argument on peds getting info is true anywhere online Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue so everyone will have to age verify once kids come in....even if they are payment info already?

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: Blue, do you cover technical issues with the age verification system? I have one...

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes it is Blue

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: if your gonna be a child av in SL you have to live under special rules

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: as such, LL should provide more info on protecting oneself

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But until now it can't happen in SL

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it can clarissa

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: computer realign matrix

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: teens ARE on main grid

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there's a point beyond which nobody can protect you if you don't protect yourself

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I agree with that part Blue. They should have a mandatory safety class for minors if they integrate them here.

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>xstorm Radek bang head on desk

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Blue Linden: in SL, online, on the streets

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes htey are but peds don't come looking, as it would be a needle in a haystack now

<nowiki>[16:27] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Toy, i think your right in some ways, well even like me, i like to wear uniforms... but not everyone allows that... but what about the Chicl Avatars?

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: child*

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Of course, kids are just less equipped emotionally, less life experience.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well again, i don't think it makes sense to label teens

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: thats the term i would use exactly about them clarissa

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so it wouldn't be any easier

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: thats true...

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: it's easier to keep the grids separate if possible

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and there are very few teens on TSL currently, compared to main grid

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Label teens, no, but they'd know they're here...one way to know is to try it but it seems a risky experiment.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so we're not talking about a significant increase in the ration of adults to teens

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Exactly, which is why currently peds wouldn't come shopping here, pardon the expression.

<nowiki>[16:28] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: you might consider using TSL as a beta grid for new features?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Didn't follow that last one

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'd argue they would Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: There are millions of adults, if you brough teens in, high ratio

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Also, i do not agree with the Age lowering from last year... the teens who joind are mostly griefers... as far as i know...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: kids are very reactive they'll tell you if something doesnt work :)

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'd think they'd join the star wars RP groups

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: you will find that a very high number of child avs in SL arent interested going to adult places... I often go t o concerts on M land but check first if lids are allowed

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: They would what, Blue? Sorry

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Blue Linden: age lowering Chaves?

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Yes, earlier in SL you had to be 18 if im right to join SL...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: toy yes but they aer RL adults, different thing

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: now its lowered to 15...

<nowiki>[16:29] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: if im sure..

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: It's still 18 isn't it?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there are groups here on main grid that are constantly losing members to support....lol Star Wars groups

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i hate to say this but there has been kids on hobo island and even when the hobo group on the island hides them and not AR them there still are people that AR underage people on the Adult grid

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: SL hasn't changed the age requirement Chaves

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Not following about Star Wars, sorry

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: most of them are older than the average SLer too. i like their taste in cartoons and toys

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well it was something about that in the blog... earlier2008

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: or it were plans...

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sorry clarissa....the point i was making was that I assume that someone looking for teens would check the main grid

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dont know hobo island only hobo town. is there a nudist colony or something with hobo in the name?

<nowiki>[16:30] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I like Holocluck's suggestion a bit back, about using teen grid to test some of this

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: sorry, if im not right.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes if there arent enough teens to warrant keeping TSL open combine its purpose

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: np Chaves, and no plans to change that

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Why would they...currently not supposed to be any here. Although yes, possible.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: 13 and 18 are legal distinctions not LL's

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: it seems there are to many people now days in SL that try to hide the fact that there are teens on the adult grid then trying to AR then

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Also, that US Federal investigation on SL... what happened about that?

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: But nothing like, if currently here, imagine later, when it's publicised teens are everywhere here.

<nowiki>[16:31] </nowiki>Blue Linden: clarissa, that's assuming people honestly think that teens would never lie about their age

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I'm saying they will go where it's easiest, most of them

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and if so, wouldn't they then try to get into teen grid?

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: my friend's kids will sometimes sit with her when she cmes in. but she goes to special places like 7Days bakery or my fishing place

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: If this were the only place on hte 'net, yes

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'd argue that's MySpace or Facebook ;p

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes they are probably thre for now. lol

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: one thing that really annoys me Blue is.......

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: there*

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but again, i think that we can disagree about the degree of the threat

<nowiki>[16:32] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I can see we do

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we do agree that there will always be one though

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: For me one kid hurt is too many

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and we should work to mitigate it as best anyone can

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: myspace gets as bad a rap as here. all anyone has to do is check through the preferences and set it. it can be as safe or dangerous or spamridden as aanyone wants.

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its just that my friends stopped posting blogs there lol

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: It seems LL are set on this idea, so I can only hope they consult experts, and formulate a *mandatory* internet safety class

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: one of the choices for a AR is age-play..... it should be Sexual AgePlay.... anyone here who doesnt giver thier RL age is age-playing

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's true Holodoc, i shouldn't say those two places are exceptional in that respect

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: agreed Toy

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: well when people say ageplay they mean R rated

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods Clarissa

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: lol, he said Holodoc...

<nowiki>[16:33] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: seems facebook naturally attracts adults because it is nofrills

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but any place can be a problem without parental controls

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: do you think that Adults are not just as bad as the young teen ? well take a look at all the silly people playing around as vampires and biting every one in SL

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i am sure we will give it the serious discusssion necessary

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and hopefully continued discussion with you guys

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the ongoing discussions about AO are a good indicator that we would

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol xstorm

<nowiki>[16:34] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oddly, I haven't been approached by vampires

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Kill the vampires!

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Implementing consumer ideas will have to be seen

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: perhaps my big ol pointy choppers are too threatening to them

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES*:)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I usually see hte most naked avs/spampires in freebie malls or sandboxes. Places new people go.

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre already dead

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so....anyone want to hear my list of reasons WHY we need to merge grids?

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol yes I'd say so Blue

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Yes was just going to ask that

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: yes please

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Id like to hear them

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i went to cordova once. never again

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Opensource Obscure: sorry for the offtopic, please answer me in IM - i'm experiencing a bug right now and I want to properly document it - anyone here is seeing this place like it appears in this photo? http://www.sluniverse.com/snapshots/355216.jpg

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the biggest one is that it's weird that we don't let parents hang out with their own kids

<nowiki>[16:35] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: what started the rumours about LL wanting to join TG to MG (acknowledge that you've said it's not happening)? But I seem to recall some kind of misleading signals, but I can't put my finger on it...

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i see the only reason they would consider it is for financial reasons

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: befor i AR some one for not reporting some thing *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: LL keeping families apart is weird....I know some people who won't let their kids into TSL because they can't keep an eye on them there

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: opensource i see all the things here and most of hte people

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: parents can still be with the kids at the computer when they come into TSL

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue, couldn't parents go into teen grid though, where the kid already are?

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they probably see more than we imagine

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Blue Linden: similarly i think it's terrible that our 18th birthday present for teens is "HAPPY BIRTHDAY now gtfo"

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Lol, Blue... SL should be more Secured... and under 18 kid cant just walk into an Sex-shop/store in RL, but why CAN he do it in SL?

<nowiki>[16:36] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Be easy to vouch for them, being their own family.

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we take them away from their friends and the community they built

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: no they can not under the TOS

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Could change that, x

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: luckily that won't be the case when AO continent is in place

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its sort of like menudo for geeks

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue but isn't taht like leaving the nest IRL

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: different topic tho ;)

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Patty1 Rosca: the teens already are in this grid

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: a person of a older age can not be at the computer with the kid

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: school, going to college, leaving home

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: well kinda Clarissa...but you can always come home from school on the weekend

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you can never go back to TSL

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes but eventually all will join them here

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: see well they can be in toontown and stick to premade chat so no one talks about geogrpahy or math homework and gets suspended

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: IMHO, TG suffers from "well we get kicked from TG one day, so why invest time in it", making it boring and enticing underage kids to come to MG

<nowiki>[16:37] </nowiki>Blue Linden: not without a background check and and island....which has never happened

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: true clarissa, but it's heartbreaking for them

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Parents/family could be vetted

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is it?

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i've had many teens cry on my shoulder and i feel terrible

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh yes

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: some really cuss me out

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: but if you add the beta idea they may be intrigued that they can see stuff before the adults do

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: they get lonely I spect, Blue

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: cant you give them a grace period?

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Blue Linden: vetting family is tough....some very difficult issues with that

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is there

<nowiki>[16:38] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: May I ask what

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, we let them say goodbye Holodoc

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Blue, if SL ''locks'' Adult Content Sims/regions/parcels with a code... or something else... then the Teens and the Adulds can live togheter in SL... like they already do in RL... but if SL gets more ''security'' then it shouln'd be a problem... eh?

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Clarissa....here's an example

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Okay

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: why isnt there a group or outreach program here for them to start with made by and run by former TSLers?

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: Blue tell them how teen grid can not get lindens from there own family in the Adult grid

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: their goodbyes arent forever after all

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Adults* Doom... crapy spelling...

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Blue Linden: one parent snuck onto the teen grid once because their kid was being harassed.....they made RL threats against the other teen

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Holocluck good idea. A welcome committee sort of

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: shades of myspace! sorry i had to sa that

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yes clarissa

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Oh. Little League parent syndroms

<nowiki>[16:39] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: syndrome*

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah lol

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Ew, what if that happens in SL

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: "leave my kid alone" - "but all I did was tell them to stop firebombing my store"

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Walden Mannonen: being summoned people... good meeting... good luck

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: it also means teens can't tell who is a problem....currently ANY adult gets reported immediately by teens....no questions asked

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: bye Walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: tc Walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: girl killed herself last yr when someone stalked her and made like a boy interested in her all because they thought she was talking about theri kid

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: we get a few new rezzies at NCI that have graduated TG

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: so segregation works to stop problems happening?

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: later walden

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah it will change if LL merges grids....something we have to consider

<nowiki>[16:40] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes - Megan, holocluck. happened on Myspace

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: make them welcome

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh yeah, that was bad Holodock

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *doc

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: We have some former TSL here. what are your opinions about all this? dont be shy its a discussion. no enemies

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We do? Yes would love to hear their perspectives

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Blue Linden: segregation didn't stop the problem, no, but teens reported it very quickly

<nowiki>[16:41] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Seems to work better...can know who's who easier

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so that brings up another point.....

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: what precautions need to be taken before merge is possible

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: crap just lost inventory

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: AO continent, although not being done specifically for grid merge, would make it easier

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: did crap lose or you lost

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes precautions, good topic

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol Holocluck

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but what about the Little League Parent

<nowiki>[16:42] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Blue, if a Report is beeing in action... i think a PICTURE/snapshot is needed...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theyre bad peoples regardless

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: they wanna go to someone else's parent is one thing

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'd agree with Chaves that it becomes a reporting issue

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: dont attack kids

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: so perhaps new abuse categories?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: like what?

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: People often to Report, but they dont sent Snapshoyts...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: this is not the old days when we did a AR and yelled Blue

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: yes...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we shouldnt entertain this if it isnt going to be pursued.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: new Report Cetegories...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: LOL

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ahhhh the good old days hehehe

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Some people are worried about false ARs.

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: hmmm higher penalty for adult caught bullying someone they know is a kid

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: also set Snapshot sending ALWAYS on...

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: lol

<nowiki>[16:43] </nowiki>Blue Linden: you mean did an AR and yelled AT Blue

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: yes that would be good

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: so Reports CANT be false...

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heh

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: the report system as it is can be tweaked.....raising priority for Age reports lowers response time for example

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Would be good except I'd still be afraid to be around real kids at least at first - instead of bumping, and bombing, false ARing?

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: did a AR years back do to a underage and had to use the code blue

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Blue Linden: or raising penalty for griefing newbs in welcome area

<nowiki>[16:44] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true but how to weed out false ones

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: griefing welcome areas...is bad...or sandboxes...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Well i think the Report priority should be Taken seriously directly...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: maybe less so if they were guarded?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: or or or burning welcome areas !!! ;)

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i have had many circmstances where i would have liked to AR someone because they blatantly acted like a teen trying to hang out here. but how do you do that? maybe a suspected minor category where someone runs a check

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: in Murray (region) where i usualy hangout are quiet allot spam and harrasements going on...

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i think same problems exist with kids....support needs proof to act to keep people from using reports as a tool for abuse

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Is it possible at all to hire people, economy is so bad it would be cheap, to guard areas which are open to public/kids?

<nowiki>[16:45] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: thanks blue I agree

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yeah, holodoc.....sounding or acting like a teen doesn't help

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: When people Report stuff then it looks more like LL nor Lindens even LIKE to re-act..

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: no the underage person told us they was 10 years old

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: again...two grids, the mature grid and the adult grid lol

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i got good at telling how a kid acting grown up behaves

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if ONLY it were possible to send people to the immature grid

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I bet LL coiuld hire people for min. wage or even less in some countries, to stand and guard areas...and witness abuses. A lot of people would jump at basically being paid to play SL. lol

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: this is gonna take a huge amount of staff at LL to work these cases, is the total cost of ownership of a grid merge really worth it?

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: wow there would be so much room

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if they tell you, that counts x.....

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if it's in voice, report anyway

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: im for that one blue *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: ha yes can LL create an immature grid :)

<nowiki>[16:46] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BTW, you know directly if an AV is an child, due his behavour, acting, way of chatting...

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: there's usually evidence elsewhere

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I think a lot of these changes result in the sims being named M and PG instead of Mature and Immature

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: if you are almost positive Chaves, but dont have evidence you can report and explain why you think it

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well cost of server resources and bandwidth and staff versus legal more ARs adults leaving,

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i had a 89 % AR record

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Mature and Griefer. How about that? Think it'd work? :)

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Blue Linden: mature and cornfield :D

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: gheheh...

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: LOL

<nowiki>[16:47] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: i know that 6 of them seem silly

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: silly... brb

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: well also in holland (where i usualy should be) residents REquest for more Police forcements on the streets...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: children of the cornfield

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: but it was a way to get things fix

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: why doesnt SL do something like that too...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: basically, I think that after 3 years running teen grid I have a lot of faith in those kids

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: more lindens INWORLD...

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of them are really super creative.....they made all my best avatars, after all

<nowiki>[16:48] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue the kids in there now who are willing to forego lack of the funzors stuff in SL are likely the creme de la creme

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: most of the ones I've met are polite overall

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Smart, and creative, and hard working. Not only in for funz

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: a combining of the MG and TG would bring more Lindens Inworld

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and the really bad ones are no worse than the worst adult

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Chaves Shu nods...

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I agree on that, personality types same ratio kids or adults

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: maybe less bad as suggested earlier because they haven't had as much practice being jerks ;p

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: there are "good ones" whose social ways are grating to most adults

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: its a cultural thing

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol I think it's more a question of dedication

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: *nods

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Well mostly an AV doesnt tell directly if the person behind the screen is a Child nor Adult...

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Blue Linden: yes, some care very very much about SL

<nowiki>[16:49] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true holocluck not all people like kids especially.

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they "get it" they are the always on generation

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: oh gee please do not let the idiots that i have had ban back in to SL even if they are 40 years old now

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: Hiro Pendragon was suggesting "inside" and "outside" - a concept that would make private 3D region truly private, is this something that can be implemented?

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I do, they are hte future but it isn't an issue of me personally :)

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Same as males who use FEMALE AV's in SL...

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Blue I agree, they grew up on computers and will make some awesome things

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i dunno timeless.....you mean a setting to take your sim out of SL's contiguous space?

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: no Blue

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: xstorm lol

<nowiki>[16:50] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: basically draw a box in space in your parcel

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah parcel privacy....door locks that actually work hehe

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: if you're in it, you see everything, if you're out of that box, you don't see what's inside

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: right....i suppose it would be

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Someone said they found a private island that was not able to be cammed into

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: how pretty would mainland be with that?

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and i would love it if it blocked water...so you could have an underwater space that was private AND dry ;p

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: you can keep underage people off your land now

<nowiki>[16:51] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Good idea Blue

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: x yes if you haev private land you can do more, most ppl rent tho

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i'm the least technical linden....so I don't know how possible that stuff is

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yeh there iss an age verify setting

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: just go to about land and set it

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: sometimes being the dumb one at the lab pays off though ;)

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: true but that would keep almost everyone out

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: hee

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha, Well i wish the PRIM counts on SL's vehicles wanst a big problem eighter... then Cars Airplanes, Boats would be nicer...

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i don't have to be grid monkey EVER

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: yeah but like go get yourself age verified.

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: lol

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: holocluck I read thru the existing way and it's a mess

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: better to be a mole just nort around me

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Chaves, I saw someone with massive wearable vehicle that required a whole crew to rez all the many parts

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: Was one reason I went premium

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i dunno i had no trouble

<nowiki>[16:52] </nowiki>Blue Linden: was cool

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i cant even remember what i did

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: the existing age verification has been in beta since first became a part of SL.... was a very poor one... the new way will have several alternatives

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: i set snurky this past month

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: but of course that's veering off topic a bit....lol I guess we're done with the topic then?

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: we kill moles and rats

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: haha, i made a nearly scaled Boeing 777 Airliner...

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: No Blue

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: did anyone have anything to add before we go complete mad?

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: tut tut x

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We haven't heard from the ex teen gridders here

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: We'd like to

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: but got plans for anything betters, anyway lets get back to the topic

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: cluck and I at least

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Blue Linden: ah....one of the most famouse x teen gridders ;)

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: brb thirsty

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: well if its like ebay was when i set up bank debiting at first, they will send a postcard to a billing address for filling out and returning. or enter a code on the poscard

<nowiki>[16:53] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: I"ll scroll when I get back

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: any ex-teen gridders want to pitch in? or have I acted as official TSL rep?

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I was way to old for TG when it was started hehehe

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: Daniel and Dimitrio are so quiet

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i think he's afk ㋡

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: lol

<nowiki>[16:54] </nowiki>Blue Linden: wait...Dimi?

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: i was talking about Daniel

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: my little brother... plays SL-Teen... well he likes it... aslong stuff doesnt get messed up...

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: we bored them lol

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: theres one i dont see today forgot his name. he likes to be snoopy

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: lol, speaking of sleeping, it's time for me to sleep, nite all

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: see that's the way to deal with teens who bug you Holodoc....bore them to death. They can't take it

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: night timeless!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: okiedoo Timeless

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: was nice to meet ya today

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: heheh!!!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Blue Linden: haha

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: sleep wel!

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki><nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Oyasuminasai <Good Night> (^_^)</nowiki>

<nowiki>[16:55] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: likewise Chaves

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: ty all

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: ^_^ :) Well, I think as being a FormerTGer, I think the grids should just remain the same. I was a famous TG Documentarian over there, 95 days ago.

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: take care timeless thanks for joining us ㋡

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Timeless Prototype: yw Blue

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: :)

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: Weltrusten! (sleep well in Dutch)

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Blue Linden: that's true....the teen grid was Daniel's oyster

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: hmm...

<nowiki>[16:56] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: yeah! I was famous over there

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: I transfered last December

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>pickle Flagon: well only recently i learned that there was 2 grids

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: definitely much harder to be famous here hehe

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: yep

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: what you did not show him how to do shoes ? OMG!

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: hehehe

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: his bear collection is earning him some fame here too. or at least on flickr :P

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Chaves Shu: BRB, got called by my Serge...

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielvoyager/

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Im not famous but known by many :)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: *GIGGLES* :)[[User:Blue Linden|Blue Linden]] 16:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

<nowiki>[16:57] </nowiki>Blue Linden: Daniel is in the running to beat Torley as SL Flickr champion lol

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: bear collection. :)

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: And thanks to blue i have 2 seconds of infamy

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Daniel Voyager: http://www.netvibes.com/danielvoyager#SL_News - Indeed, Blue.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell needs more bearssss

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: Daniel's been around a long time :)

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: Torley no longer has time any more

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>xstorm Radek gave you MM SVN Unsitter v1.00.

<nowiki>[16:58] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: he'smaking vidtuts for the rest of the internet

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: I missed seeing you Blue at the Lindern tour I gave for Path on Monday :)

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>You decline Raglan Galaxy - Planet surface from A group member named Josephine Planer.

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Holocluck Henly: we gonna go on more trips?

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: oh really Toy

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: they get up too early for me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>xstorm Radek: if Daniel ever wish to see some one clean out 6 sims and rebuild them to scale he can watch me

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Blue Linden: and yeah, coming up on 5....thank you all very much for coming to office hour

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Toy LaFollette: ya, he asked me to give a tour of Oxbridge to a group of Lindens

<nowiki>[16:59] </nowiki>Clarissa Lowell: did any former gridders give their opinions? or want to?

<nowiki>[17:00] </nowiki>Blue Linden: I'll post transcript on the wiki office hour page

User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts

2009-04-09T16:52:59Z

Blue Linden: /* Transcripts */

User:Blue Linden/Teen Office Hours/Thursday

2009-03-25T17:57:54Z

Blue Linden:

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* All things Teen Grid
* Photoshop, Red Sox, Lobsters
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User:Blue Linden/Office Hours/Wednesday

2009-03-04T21:12:51Z

Blue Linden:

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* We'll be talking about and traveling to cool spots in as part of [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/eureka Eureka, the SL Travel Blog]
* [[User:Blue Linden/Office Hour Transcripts|Transcripts of Office Hours Past]]
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Parks and Recreation Directory

2009-01-13T21:48:43Z

Blue Linden:

== Bay City Sites : Urban hangouts for your must-see list! ==

=== Cafe Deco, Bay City ===

Classy Art Deco Cafe. Cool place to relax, listen to music and have a free coffee!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bay%20City%20-%20Molesworth/73/153/25

[[Image:Asylum.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Channel Island Asylum, Bay City ===

For all the mad people. Very Scary!!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/South%20Channel/169/247/27

=== Far Point Park, Bay City Molesworth ===

[[Image:farpoint.jpg|right|100px]]
A geometric park of leafy tranquility, remotely situated for your pleasure and relaxation

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bay%20City%20-%20Molesworth/214/199/25

== Route 1 (East-West Heterocera Link Road) : Unmissable items for your travelogue ! ==

[[Image:leafminerdock.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 sea dock, Leafminer ===

A small access point to the Route 1 highway and Mole Mart

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Leafminer/57/16/23

[[Image:Mole Mart.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 Mole Mart, Leafminer ===

Mole Mart ... for all your mole needs

[[Image:leafminerpicnic.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 picnic area ===

A spur off the Route 1 highway near the Mole Mart for Munchies !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Leafminer/246/129/37

[[Image:Apple Cart.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 Apple Cart ===
Try a bucket of apples from the apple cart

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Clearwing/136/180/33

[[Image:butterfly.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 Butterfly and Tropical House ===

A calming place to sit amongst the victorian ironwork, dripping with steam and condensation, and consider the exotic butterflies and flowers

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Clearwing/112/223/32

[[Image:peach pit.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 Peach Pit ===

Visit the Diner in Peach

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Peach/206/164/33c

[[Image:reservoir.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 Reservoir, Spini ===

The Molesford Municipal Water company really needs to spend some cash cleaning up this slightly toxic yet still impressive edifice - lots of litter and a few really worrying looking fish - if your keen on angling you'd be advised to just throw them back !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Spini/202/142/31

[[Image:parvapicnic.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 Picnic by the Pond, Parva ===

One of the many minor picnic spots along Route 1 however this one has a few points of interest to explore

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Parva/127/62/31

[[Image:mormopicnic.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 Picnic lay-by, Mormo ===

Another example of places to break your journey along the East-West highway, you can park here too !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Mormo/21/135/31

[[Image:viewing.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 Viewing Platform, Sociaria ===

A small platform to enjoy the views.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sociaria/190/101/34

[[Image:town square.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 Town Square, Menophra ===

Enjoy space of the Town Square.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Menophra/102/103/38

[[Image:park.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 Small roadside park, Menophra ===

A quiet place to sit.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Menophra/245/22/35

== Route 2 (North Heterocera Coast Road) : Unmissable items for your travelogue ! ==

[[Image:snoutpoint.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Pier and Picnic area, Snout ===

A pier and dock linking the highway to the sea at remote Snout Point, a place to sit at your journey's end (or beginning) and gaze out across the wide ocean

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Snout/206/172/22

[[Image:satellite-market.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Market Square, Satellite ===

A historic market area, currently under regeneration, several traders are trying their hand here already, with doubtless more to come as the highways converge upon this prime location, don't steal from the stalls, you may end up in the stocks !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Satellite/155/13/31

[[Image:sallowpicnic.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Junction and Picnic Glade, Sallow ===

An island of greenery delineated by a triangular road junction, have a romantic picnic here, screened by the trees

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sallow/173/154/32

[[Image:seaviewspur.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Seaview Spur, Sallow ===

A turning area and access point to the ocean at the end of a tree-lined cul-de-sac, picnic facilities of course !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sallow/208/236/32

[[Image:tawnybridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Bridge and pools, Tawny ===

The watercourse has been dammed here in the past, so for the moment the river stream trickles through choked pools and rusty culverts as it passes beneath the arching span of the old bridge

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tawny/233/188/34

[[Image:eggarviaduct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Old Viaduct, Eggar ===

Development has raised the level of the land here, and the small valley spanned by the viaduct shows few clues as to it's original purpose, however the arches still provide shelter from the elements for flora and fauna, and it might appear, tramps too !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Eggar/83/107/31

[[Image:buffseafront.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Great Seawall, Buff ===

Just around the corner from a picnic parking lay-by with panoramic views across Buff Bay, stretches the long stone line of Buff sim's coastal defences. You can stroll onto the short pier and along the boardwalk promenade which offers a bracing ocean breeze on wilder days.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Buff/215/208/30

[[Image:buffbridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 River Bridge, Buff ===

Spanning the estuary into Buff Bay, this bridge offers further views from it's relative elevation above the rushing waters

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Buff/125/211/32

[[Image:arbor.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Arboreal Roundabout, Buff ===

Three roads converge here at an old tree of such character and antiquity that a roundabout was constructed around it to preserve it's majesty for all to admire, quite what species it represents has been open to much controversy !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Buff/79/227/29

[[Image:quakerironbridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Iron Bridge, Quaker ===

Although lost in modern development, this relic from the industrial revolution, now spanning little more than a dried up canal basin, has been fully restored and shined up to something of it's former glory, even passing a health and safety audit recently with flying colours !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Quaker/127/20/33

[[Image:Ginsberg-zebra.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Zebra Crossing, Ginsberg ===

Abbey Road anyone ? ... well, not many zebra crossings in SL but this one links the adjacent gallery and shopping areas either side of the road in Ginsberg, so that prospective visitors are safe from being mown down by cars, juggernauts, mole-tanks, whatever other powered object may be passing through on the busy highway !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ginsberg/172/181/33

[[Image:Ran-boulevard.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Ocean Boulevard, Ranunculus ===

The Route 2 highway widens here into a wide boulevard through a large commercial area, close to the ocean, in the far north of the Atoll continent.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ranunculus/254/32/32

[[Image:fillip.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Reef Dive, Fillip ===

When you hit the traffic circle in Fillip, put on your swim gear and head north. Explore the fish filled coral reef and a sunken ship, catch a ride with a friendly sea turtle, and possibly even find some treasure!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fillip/204/187/17

[[Image:Girdler-bridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Coastal Falls Crossing, Girdler ===

The coast is broken and steep here, and a bridge takes the highway over a high falls tumbling down from above the road level.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Girdler/104/138/32

[[Image:Girdler-view.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Ocean View, Girdler ===

The highway turns sharply round the coast here, forming a natural viewpoint over the ocean. A viewpoint and rez zone is here for your use.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Girdler/139/89/31

[[Image:Tiger-tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Image:Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Tiger - Togata Tunnel, Tiger/Moma/Togata ===

Difficult terrain here necessitated a deep bore through the hillside to link the regions, and a substantial stone lined tunnel exists here to allow free passage. Excavations also opened up a surprise in the hillside !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tiger/39/18/29

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Togata/229/239/29

[[Image:Togata-view.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Ocean Panorama, Togata ===

Another sharp turn in the road to follow the coast opens up a wide vista across open ocean. Travellers may stop and tarry a while here at the viewpoint.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Togata/74/182/29

[[Image:Togata-bridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Oriental Bridge, Togata ===

A wide ocean estuary ravine here requires a bridge to span the gap and an elegant span of vaguely oriental outline performs this task.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Togata/118/97/34

[[Image:Emmelia-viaduct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Stone Viaduct, Emmelia ===

A stone viaduct carries the road securely across the ravine into the ocean at Emmelia. A small decrepit dock lies in the waters below for those wishing to go boating.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Emmelia/32/82/31

[[Image:R2-west.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Western End, Emmelia ===

The western end of the Route 2 link road lies here at a small picnic area, near junction of two roads coming up from the south in Brithys.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Emmelia/26/3/31

== Route 3 (North Heterocera Inland Link) : Unmissable items for your travelogue ! ==

This road lies mainly incomplete at the time of writing, however some sections have so far been completed to provide additional transport links. An example of this is a section joining the major junction at Woolybear in the north to Emmelia on Route 2. This section required some considerable gradient engineering to overcome the differences in altitude between these regions.

[[Image:Emmelia-junc.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3/Route 2 Southern Junction, Emmelia ===

The two routes merge here in a T junction adjacent to the viaduct spanning the ravine.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Emmelia/35/123/32

[[Image:Luna-rise.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3 Lower Bank, Lunaris ===

The road ascends a steep bank here rises with the terrain, excellent spot for sledging if it would only snow !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lunaris/86/12/41

[[Image:Luna-bank.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3 Upper Bank, Lunaris ===

A second rise requires a large stone embankment in order to prevent subsidence of the hillside below the woodland above.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lunaris/181/196/61

[[Image:Moma-woods.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3 Hilltop Woodlands, Moma & Tridens ===

The high hill crest at Moma, as well as offering panoramic views of the surrounding area and not-so-distant coast, retains some natural woodland across its border with Tridens. The park also contains small lakes and a pagoda summerhouse in which weary travellers may take a breather. There is a rezzing area here too.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Moma/238/59/75

[[Image:Tridens-bridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3 Oriental Bridge, Tridens ===

The red oriental bridge at Tridens gracefully mimics its surrounding oriental architecture as does its twin down the ravine in Togata. From the bridge, the road heads due north across undulating terrain towards Woolybear Junction.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tridens/19/133/77

== Route 7 (Ring Road around Gaeta) : Take a tour around the whole island ! ==

[[Image:Libestus Pier.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 7 Libestus Pier, Libestus ===

Follow the road itself or put in a boat at the end of the pier and explore by sea!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Libestus/236/18/26

[[Image:Squall Beach.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 7 Squall Public Beach, Squall ===

Relax by the waves or head up the beach to explore Magellan Linden's campsite

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Squall/177/207/21

[[Image:Hellfell.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 7 Helfell Infohub, Helfell ===

Mediterranean vistas abound around this new InfoHub

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Helfell/187/123/76

[[Image:Gaeta dock.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 7 Gaeta docks, (various) ===

These mark the transitions between improved roads and open water canals. Pick up a free LDPW boat here for easy sailing along the canals or other Linden seas.

== Route 8/8A/8B/8C and the Old Wagon Road (The "Japanese" Continent) : Konichiwa! ==

Because of it's shape many call this the "Japanese" continent. With that in mind the roads and public buildings along these roads have an eastern stylistic flair. Originally the roads were supposed to connect, but due to mistakes when the land was divided as the regions were brought online many of the routes end in abrupt dead ends. A system of false tunnels and other objects that will offer teleports when touched allow travelers to easily keep exploring the road network without having to backtrack.

[[Image:Bagheera Shelter.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Bagheera shelter, Bahheera ===

The Bagheera shelter at the end of the road is the perfect starting point for any exploration of the land. On the back wall is a large map of the continent showing the location of all the main routes; 8, 8A, 8B, 8C, and the Old Wagon Road. Smaller versions of this building exist all along the routes at various points to give explores an idea where they are on the overall map and to provide "rest stops".

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bagheera/63/126/56

[[Image:Davros RT8-8C Jct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 RT8-8C Junction, Davros ===
Turnoff point for RT8C (still under construction)

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Davros/81/71/27

[[Image:DavrosFenric bridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Bridge Out!, Davros/Fenric ===
Look out! The bridge is out! Can you drive fast enough to make the jump? Go ahead and try! ;D

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fenric/178/45/30

[[Image:Richfield RT8-8A Jct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 RT8-8A Junction, Richfield ===
Southern junction with RT8A. Small rest stop with a lighted lamppost, sitting area and map kiosk.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Richfield/153/186/69

[[Image:Cipactli RT8-8B Jct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 RT8-8B Junction, Cipactli ===
Connection with RT8B, just south of the Furki Rest Stop on RT8B/8A.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cipactli/247/58/73

[[Image:Toroge Kiosk.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Toroge Kiosk, Toroge ===
Westernmost point on the roadmap. Tight curve with an example of one of the small map kiosks.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Toroge/43/85/54

[[Image:Bletschorn Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Bletschorn Tunnel, Bletschorn ===
False tunnel used to bypass Damastock. Touching the lanterns at the tunnel entrance will take you to the other side in Finsteraarhorn.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bietschhorn/33/47/55

[[Image:Finsteraarhorn Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Finsteraarhorn Tunnel, Finsteraarhorn ===
Mate to the Bletschorn Tunnel. Touching the lanterns at the tunnel entrance will take you to the other side in Bletschorn.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Finsteraarhorn/223/114/29

[[Image:Nadelhorn RT8-8A Jct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 RT8-8A Junction, Nadelhorn ===
Northern end of RT8A.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nadelhorn/250/65/50

[[Image:Soulgiver Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Soulgiver Tunnel, Soulgiver ===
End of RT8. Touching the lanterns at the tunnel entrance will take you to RT8C in Ogilvie.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Soulgiver/175/91/65

[[Image:Furki Rest Area.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8A Furki Rest Area, Furki ===
Rest area along the junction between RT8A and RT8B in Furki. Plenty of places to sit, relax, and discuss which direction you want to go next! Even has a working traffic light in the intersection.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Furki/47/3/100

[[Image:Aragonese Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8A Aragonese Tunnel, Aragonese ===
Yep, another false tunnel. This one connects the broken halves of RT8A between Aragonese and Ellingson.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aragonese/76/183/88

[[Image:Horns of Hattin.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 8A Falling Rocks, Horns of Hattin ===
One of the most difficult tasks in constructing roads is figuring out what to do in "four corner" areas where the road runs through a spot where 4 regions meet. The region crossings can be very tricky in these spots. It's best to go slow and take the crossings one at a time. In this spot, the fallen rocks divert travelers in a way to guide them through the crossing along the best and least likely to end up crashing the client fashion.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Horns%20of%20Hattin/5/3/68

[[Image:Tawa.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8A Tawa Rest Stop, Tawa ===
Small rest area with a couple of benches, a map kiosk and some trees.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tawa/8/7/82

== Miscellaneous Mainland Points of Interest for Intrepid Explorers ==

=== Playground Ship on DaBoom ===

big maritime playground with freebies

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Da%20Boom/165/134/35

=== Playground on Rivula ===

cute little playground

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rivula/195/56/34

=== Juice Bar, Brownlee ===

Keeping residents healthy with a Contemporary Juice Bar. Free Smoothies!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Brownlee/209/150/105

=== The Volcano Island, Ichelus ===

A tropical Tiki village and exploding Volcano!!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ichelus/142/192/23

=== LDPW Showcase Conference Center, Boardroom ===

For the business types of the grid. Two modern style buildings ready to accomodate medium to large meetings/conferences.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Boardroom/113/113/25/

== Nautilus ==

This ancient city has recently been discovered. Mysterious crystals, a temple, assembly hall, and palace surround a large pool.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Malchus/9/29/72

... and a large park:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Baal/72/140/23

... and a harbor, with a nearby market:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Yamm/114/205/22

== Highlights around the Great City of Nautilus ==

[[Image:Pharos.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Image:Pharos1.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Image:Pharos2.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Image:Pharos3.jpg|right|100px]]

=== The Pharos, Nautilus-Byth ===

As intrepid seafarers approach the great water channel leading to the ancient city; strange flickering beams in the sky, followed by a sighting of a lofty tower, alert them to the presence of the treacherous Nautilean coast. This large beam-house is The Pharos, and was constructed as a navigational aid replacing a much smaller crystal beacon, the ruins of which may still be seen on a nearby outcrop. Statues of sea creatures festoon the terraces of the Pharos, whilst a large idol of Hydraea, Goddess of the Sea, faces out to the Western Sea, both embracing friend and threatening foe with upraised hands. At the top of the tower rests the main lamp house where crystal energy passes through deflection grids to be streamed out to the cardinal points of the compass, clearly visible for many miles. Halfway up the tower, within a small open chamber at the top of the great stairway, is a focussing relay crystal which controls the nature of the Pharos' beam to suit the prevailing weather conditions.

Inside the great hall at the foot of the structure lies the main crystal reactor, within a deep containment pit surrounded by an energy screen. On one side of the barriers stands the console containing the control array and spectral coolant rods. As a protection against power overload, the reactor is gated to the sea via an internal pool and underwater tunnel, so that in the event of such an emergency, it may be flooded with seawater and extinguished. This pool should be empty and serene, however the Pharos has gained an 'unofficial' resident during some phase of it's existence. A rogue scientist fell from favour with the council of Nautilean elders due to his somewhat aggressive and more than a little xenophobic attitudes toward foreign trade, building crystal powered mechanical sea boats to disrupt passing trade and seize wealth for himself. Exiled from the main citadel he barricaded himself inside the Pharos, settling inside the main chamber where he constructed a new vessel within the confines of the coolant pool, periodically venturing forth from his lair via the sea tunnel to harry vulnerable shipping and steal supplies. This undoubtedly resourceful individual was apparently not immune to the mysterious cataclysm which afflicted Nautilus in the distant past, indeed some enigmatic writings discovered within the chamber suggest he may actually have been instrumental in hastening its effects, and all that may now be seen to mark his occupancy are his last and greatest undersea vessel, a variety of somewhat incongruously added docking structures, and a scatter of books dealing with a variety of arcane and eclectic topics. Judging by the compact size of his vessel, the physical stature of the Professor did not in any way match that of his mind !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Byth/3/191/23

[[Image:Baal.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Baal Public Park, Nautilus-Baal ===

Nautilus sports a pair of public parks adjacent to the canal bank. Furthest east lies Baal Park, which contains a small seating area where one may sit and watch crystal particle beam displays, and also a small secluded pool for relaxation and contemplation known as 'The Eye of Baal', the reason for which may be clearly seem when viewing the feature from the air.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Baal/69/176/22

[[Image:Kothar.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Kothar Public Park, Nautilus-Kothar ===

The second park is located immediately adjacent within the Kothar district and contains a large outdoor public pool and thermal spa area alongside stone walkways. This location, in addition to the wild vegetation and arboreta common to both parks, also features a large outdoor mechanical chess set, the workings of which have yet to be precisely discovered, and a natural pool within which sits a small island upon which is sited a monument of unknown assignation.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Kothar/3/186/22

[[Image:Nautilus-gate.jpg|right|100px]]

=== City Sea Gate, Nautilus-Melqart ===

Two enormous bronze gates close the sea channel against hazards where it enters the great citadel wall. These may be swung open and shut, forming a bright star in the centre which acts as a night beacon when they are closed against entry.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Melqart/83/228/25

[[Image:Nautilus-canal.jpg|right|100px]]

=== The Canal, Nautilus ===

The deep channel of The Great Canal extends from the Citadel due east, and straight as a die, to the ocean, which it meets at the turbulent waters surrounding the Pharos. The channel has become home to various flora and fauna over the years.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Elissa/129/6/10


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Parks and Recreation Directory

2009-01-13T21:44:57Z

Blue Linden:

== Bay City Sites : Urban hangouts for your must-see list! ==

=== Cafe Deco, Bay City ===

Classy Art Deco Cafe. Cool place to relax, listen to music and have a free coffee!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bay%20City%20-%20Molesworth/73/153/25

[[Image:Asylum.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Channel Island Asylum, Bay City ===

For all the mad people. Very Scary!!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/South%20Channel/169/247/27

=== Far Point Park, Bay City Molesworth ===

[[Image:farpoint.jpg|right|100px]]
A geometric park of leafy tranquility, remotely situated for your pleasure and relaxation

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bay%20City%20-%20Molesworth/214/199/25

== Route 1 (East-West Heterocera Link Road) : Unmissable items for your travelogue ! ==

[[Image:leafminerdock.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 sea dock, Leafminer ===

A small access point to the Route 1 highway and Mole Mart

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Leafminer/57/16/23

[[Image:Mole Mart.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 Mole Mart, Leafminer ===

Mole Mart ... for all your mole needs

[[Image:leafminerpicnic.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 picnic area ===

A spur off the Route 1 highway near the Mole Mart for Munchies !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Leafminer/246/129/37

[[Image:Apple Cart.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 Apple Cart ===
Try a bucket of apples from the apple cart

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Clearwing/136/180/33

[[Image:butterfly.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 Butterfly and Tropical House ===

A calming place to sit amongst the victorian ironwork, dripping with steam and condensation, and consider the exotic butterflies and flowers

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Clearwing/112/223/32

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=== Route 1 Peach Pit ===

Visit the Diner in Peach

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Peach/206/164/33c

[[Image:reservoir.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 1 Reservoir, Spini ===

The Molesford Municipal Water company really needs to spend some cash cleaning up this slightly toxic yet still impressive edifice - lots of litter and a few really worrying looking fish - if your keen on angling you'd be advised to just throw them back !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Spini/202/142/31

[[Image:parvapicnic.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 Picnic by the Pond, Parva ===

One of the many minor picnic spots along Route 1 however this one has a few points of interest to explore

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Parva/127/62/31

[[Image:mormopicnic.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 1 Picnic lay-by, Mormo ===

Another example of places to break your journey along the East-West highway, you can park here too !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Mormo/21/135/31

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=== Route 1 Viewing Platform, Sociaria ===

A small platform to enjoy the views.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sociaria/190/101/34

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=== Route 1 Town Square, Menophra ===

Enjoy space of the Town Square.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Menophra/102/103/38

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=== Route 1 Small roadside park, Menophra ===

A quiet place to sit.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Menophra/245/22/35

== Route 2 (North Heterocera Coast Road) : Unmissable items for your travelogue ! ==

[[Image:snoutpoint.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Pier and Picnic area, Snout ===

A pier and dock linking the highway to the sea at remote Snout Point, a place to sit at your journey's end (or beginning) and gaze out across the wide ocean

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Snout/206/172/22

[[Image:satellite-market.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Market Square, Satellite ===

A historic market area, currently under regeneration, several traders are trying their hand here already, with doubtless more to come as the highways converge upon this prime location, don't steal from the stalls, you may end up in the stocks !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Satellite/155/13/31

[[Image:sallowpicnic.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Junction and Picnic Glade, Sallow ===

An island of greenery delineated by a triangular road junction, have a romantic picnic here, screened by the trees

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sallow/173/154/32

[[Image:seaviewspur.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Seaview Spur, Sallow ===

A turning area and access point to the ocean at the end of a tree-lined cul-de-sac, picnic facilities of course !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sallow/208/236/32

[[Image:tawnybridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Bridge and pools, Tawny ===

The watercourse has been dammed here in the past, so for the moment the river stream trickles through choked pools and rusty culverts as it passes beneath the arching span of the old bridge

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tawny/233/188/34

[[Image:eggarviaduct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Old Viaduct, Eggar ===

Development has raised the level of the land here, and the small valley spanned by the viaduct shows few clues as to it's original purpose, however the arches still provide shelter from the elements for flora and fauna, and it might appear, tramps too !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Eggar/83/107/31

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=== Route 2 Great Seawall, Buff ===

Just around the corner from a picnic parking lay-by with panoramic views across Buff Bay, stretches the long stone line of Buff sim's coastal defences. You can stroll onto the short pier and along the boardwalk promenade which offers a bracing ocean breeze on wilder days.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Buff/215/208/30

[[Image:buffbridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 River Bridge, Buff ===

Spanning the estuary into Buff Bay, this bridge offers further views from it's relative elevation above the rushing waters

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Buff/125/211/32

[[Image:arbor.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Arboreal Roundabout, Buff ===

Three roads converge here at an old tree of such character and antiquity that a roundabout was constructed around it to preserve it's majesty for all to admire, quite what species it represents has been open to much controversy !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Buff/79/227/29

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=== Route 2 Iron Bridge, Quaker ===

Although lost in modern development, this relic from the industrial revolution, now spanning little more than a dried up canal basin, has been fully restored and shined up to something of it's former glory, even passing a health and safety audit recently with flying colours !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Quaker/127/20/33

[[Image:Ginsberg-zebra.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Zebra Crossing, Ginsberg ===

Abbey Road anyone ? ... well, not many zebra crossings in SL but this one links the adjacent gallery and shopping areas either side of the road in Ginsberg, so that prospective visitors are safe from being mown down by cars, juggernauts, mole-tanks, whatever other powered object may be passing through on the busy highway !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ginsberg/172/181/33

[[Image:Ran-boulevard.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Ocean Boulevard, Ranunculus ===

The Route 2 highway widens here into a wide boulevard through a large commercial area, close to the ocean, in the far north of the Atoll continent.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ranunculus/254/32/32

[[Image:fillip.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Reef Dive, Fillip ===

When you hit the traffic circle in Fillip, put on your swim gear and head north. Explore the fish filled coral reef and a sunken ship, catch a ride with a friendly sea turtle, and possibly even find some treasure!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fillip/204/187/17

[[Image:Girdler-bridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Coastal Falls Crossing, Girdler ===

The coast is broken and steep here, and a bridge takes the highway over a high falls tumbling down from above the road level.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Girdler/104/138/32

[[Image:Girdler-view.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Ocean View, Girdler ===

The highway turns sharply round the coast here, forming a natural viewpoint over the ocean. A viewpoint and rez zone is here for your use.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Girdler/139/89/31

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=== Route 2 Tiger - Togata Tunnel, Tiger/Moma/Togata ===

Difficult terrain here necessitated a deep bore through the hillside to link the regions, and a substantial stone lined tunnel exists here to allow free passage. Excavations also opened up a surprise in the hillside !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tiger/39/18/29

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Togata/229/239/29

[[Image:Togata-view.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Ocean Panorama, Togata ===

Another sharp turn in the road to follow the coast opens up a wide vista across open ocean. Travellers may stop and tarry a while here at the viewpoint.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Togata/74/182/29

[[Image:Togata-bridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Oriental Bridge, Togata ===

A wide ocean estuary ravine here requires a bridge to span the gap and an elegant span of vaguely oriental outline performs this task.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Togata/118/97/34

[[Image:Emmelia-viaduct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Stone Viaduct, Emmelia ===

A stone viaduct carries the road securely across the ravine into the ocean at Emmelia. A small decrepit dock lies in the waters below for those wishing to go boating.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Emmelia/32/82/31

[[Image:R2-west.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 2 Western End, Emmelia ===

The western end of the Route 2 link road lies here at a small picnic area, near junction of two roads coming up from the south in Brithys.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Emmelia/26/3/31

== Route 3 (North Heterocera Inland Link) : Unmissable items for your travelogue ! ==

This road lies mainly incomplete at the time of writing, however some sections have so far been completed to provide additional transport links. An example of this is a section joining the major junction at Woolybear in the north to Emmelia on Route 2. This section required some considerable gradient engineering to overcome the differences in altitude between these regions.

[[Image:Emmelia-junc.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3/Route 2 Southern Junction, Emmelia ===

The two routes merge here in a T junction adjacent to the viaduct spanning the ravine.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Emmelia/35/123/32

[[Image:Luna-rise.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3 Lower Bank, Lunaris ===

The road ascends a steep bank here rises with the terrain, excellent spot for sledging if it would only snow !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lunaris/86/12/41

[[Image:Luna-bank.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3 Upper Bank, Lunaris ===

A second rise requires a large stone embankment in order to prevent subsidence of the hillside below the woodland above.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lunaris/181/196/61

[[Image:Moma-woods.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3 Hilltop Woodlands, Moma & Tridens ===

The high hill crest at Moma, as well as offering panoramic views of the surrounding area and not-so-distant coast, retains some natural woodland across its border with Tridens. The park also contains small lakes and a pagoda summerhouse in which weary travellers may take a breather. There is a rezzing area here too.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Moma/238/59/75

[[Image:Tridens-bridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 3 Oriental Bridge, Tridens ===

The red oriental bridge at Tridens gracefully mimics its surrounding oriental architecture as does its twin down the ravine in Togata. From the bridge, the road heads due north across undulating terrain towards Woolybear Junction.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tridens/19/133/77

== Route 7 (Ring Road around Gaeta) : Take a tour around the whole island ! ==

[[Image:Libestus Pier.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 7 Libestus Pier, Libestus ===

Follow the road itself or put in a boat at the end of the pier and explore by sea!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Libestus/236/18/26

[[Image:Squall Beach.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 7 Squall Public Beach, Squall ===

Relax by the waves or head up the beach to explore Magellan Linden's campsite

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Squall/177/207/21

[[Image:Hellfell.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 7 Helfell Infohub, Helfell ===

Mediterranean vistas abound around this new InfoHub

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Helfell/187/123/76

[[Image:Gaeta dock.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 7 Gaeta docks, (various) ===

These mark the transitions between improved roads and open water canals. Pick up a free LDPW boat here for easy sailing along the canals or other Linden seas.

== Route 8/8A/8B/8C and the Old Wagon Road (The "Japanese" Continent) : Konichiwa! ==

Because of it's shape many call this the "Japanese" continent. With that in mind the roads and public buildings along these roads have an eastern stylistic flair. Originally the roads were supposed to connect, but due to mistakes when the land was divided as the regions were brought online many of the routes end in abrupt dead ends. A system of false tunnels and other objects that will offer teleports when touched allow travelers to easily keep exploring the road network without having to backtrack.

[[Image:Bagheera Shelter.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Bagheera shelter, Bahheera ===

The Bagheera shelter at the end of the road is the perfect starting point for any exploration of the land. On the back wall is a large map of the continent showing the location of all the main routes; 8, 8A, 8B, 8C, and the Old Wagon Road. Smaller versions of this building exist all along the routes at various points to give explores an idea where they are on the overall map and to provide "rest stops".

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bagheera/63/126/56

[[Image:Davros RT8-8C Jct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 RT8-8C Junction, Davros ===
Turnoff point for RT8C (still under construction)

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Davros/81/71/27

[[Image:DavrosFenric bridge.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Bridge Out!, Davros/Fenric ===
Look out! The bridge is out! Can you drive fast enough to make the jump? Go ahead and try! ;D

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fenric/178/45/30

[[Image:Richfield RT8-8A Jct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 RT8-8A Junction, Richfield ===
Southern junction with RT8A. Small rest stop with a lighted lamppost, sitting area and map kiosk.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Richfield/153/186/69

[[Image:Cipactli RT8-8B Jct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 RT8-8B Junction, Cipactli ===
Connection with RT8B, just south of the Furki Rest Stop on RT8B/8A.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cipactli/247/58/73

[[Image:Toroge Kiosk.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Toroge Kiosk, Toroge ===
Westernmost point on the roadmap. Tight curve with an example of one of the small map kiosks.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Toroge/43/85/54

[[Image:Bletschorn Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Bletschorn Tunnel, Bletschorn ===
False tunnel used to bypass Damastock. Touching the lanterns at the tunnel entrance will take you to the other side in Finsteraarhorn.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bietschhorn/33/47/55

[[Image:Finsteraarhorn Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Finsteraarhorn Tunnel, Finsteraarhorn ===
Mate to the Bletschorn Tunnel. Touching the lanterns at the tunnel entrance will take you to the other side in Bletschorn.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Finsteraarhorn/223/114/29

[[Image:Nadelhorn RT8-8A Jct.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 RT8-8A Junction, Nadelhorn ===
Northern end of RT8A.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nadelhorn/250/65/50

[[Image:Soulgiver Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8 Soulgiver Tunnel, Soulgiver ===
End of RT8. Touching the lanterns at the tunnel entrance will take you to RT8C in Ogilvie.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Soulgiver/175/91/65

[[Image:Furki Rest Area.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8A Furki Rest Area, Furki ===
Rest area along the junction between RT8A and RT8B in Furki. Plenty of places to sit, relax, and discuss which direction you want to go next! Even has a working traffic light in the intersection.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Furki/47/3/100

[[Image:Aragonese Tunnel.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8A Aragonese Tunnel, Aragonese ===
Yep, another false tunnel. This one connects the broken halves of RT8A between Aragonese and Ellingson.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Aragonese/76/183/88

[[Image:Horns of Hattin.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Route 8A Falling Rocks, Horns of Hattin ===
One of the most difficult tasks in constructing roads is figuring out what to do in "four corner" areas where the road runs through a spot where 4 regions meet. The region crossings can be very tricky in these spots. It's best to go slow and take the crossings one at a time. In this spot, the fallen rocks divert travelers in a way to guide them through the crossing along the best and least likely to end up crashing the client fashion.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Horns%20of%20Hattin/5/3/68

[[Image:Tawa.jpg|right|100px]]
=== Route 8A Tawa Rest Stop, Tawa ===
Small rest area with a couple of benches, a map kiosk and some trees.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tawa/8/7/82

== Miscellaneous Mainland Points of Interest for Intrepid Explorers ==

=== Playground Ship on DaBoom ===

big maritime playground with freebies

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Da%20Boom/165/134/35

=== Playground on Rivula ===

cute little playground

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rivula/195/56/34

=== Juice Bar, Brownlee ===

Keeping residents healthy with a Contemporary Juice Bar. Free Smoothies!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Brownlee/209/150/105

=== The Volcano Island, Ichelus ===

A tropical Tiki village and exploding Volcano!!

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Ichelus/142/192/23

=== LDPW Showcase Conference Center, Boardroom ===

For the business types of the grid. Two modern style buildings ready to accomodate medium to large meetings/conferences.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Boardroom/113/113/25/

== Nautilus ==

This ancient city has recently been discovered. Mysterious crystals, a temple, assembly hall, and palace surround a large pool.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Malchus/9/29/72

... and a large park:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Baal/72/140/23

... and a harbor, with a nearby market:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Yamm/114/205/22

== Highlights around the Great City of Nautilus ==

[[Image:Pharos.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Image:Pharos1.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Image:Pharos2.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Image:Pharos3.jpg|right|100px]]

=== The Pharos, Nautilus-Byth ===

As intrepid seafarers approach the great water channel leading to the ancient city; strange flickering beams in the sky, followed by a sighting of a lofty tower, alert them to the presence of the treacherous Nautilean coast. This large beam-house is The Pharos, and was constructed as a navigational aid replacing a much smaller crystal beacon, the ruins of which may still be seen on a nearby outcrop. Statues of sea creatures festoon the terraces of the Pharos, whilst a large idol of Hydraea, Goddess of the Sea, faces out to the Western Sea, both embracing friend and threatening foe with upraised hands. At the top of the tower rests the main lamp house where crystal energy passes through deflection grids to be streamed out to the cardinal points of the compass, clearly visible for many miles. Halfway up the tower, within a small open chamber at the top of the great stairway, is a focussing relay crystal which controls the nature of the Pharos' beam to suit the prevailing weather conditions.

Inside the great hall at the foot of the structure lies the main crystal reactor, within a deep containment pit surrounded by an energy screen. On one side of the barriers stands the console containing the control array and spectral coolant rods. As a protection against power overload, the reactor is gated to the sea via an internal pool and underwater tunnel, so that in the event of such an emergency, it may be flooded with seawater and extinguished. This pool should be empty and serene, however the Pharos has gained an 'unofficial' resident during some phase of it's existence. A rogue scientist fell from favour with the council of Nautilean elders due to his somewhat aggressive and more than a little xenophobic attitudes toward foreign trade, building crystal powered mechanical sea boats to disrupt passing trade and seize wealth for himself. Exiled from the main citadel he barricaded himself inside the Pharos, settling inside the main chamber where he constructed a new vessel within the confines of the coolant pool, periodically venturing forth from his lair via the sea tunnel to harry vulnerable shipping and steal supplies. This undoubtedly resourceful individual was apparently not immune to the mysterious cataclysm which afflicted Nautilus in the distant past, indeed some enigmatic writings discovered within the chamber suggest he may actually have been instrumental in hastening its effects, and all that may now be seen to mark his occupancy are his last and greatest undersea vessel, a variety of somewhat incongruously added docking structures, and a scatter of books dealing with a variety of arcane and eclectic topics. Judging by the compact size of his vessel, the physical stature of the Professor did not in any way match that of his mind !

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Byth/3/191/23

[[Image:Baal.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Baal Public Park, Nautilus-Baal ===

Nautilus sports a pair of public parks adjacent to the canal bank. Furthest east lies Baal Park, which contains a small seating area where one may sit and watch crystal particle beam displays, and also a small secluded pool for relaxation and contemplation known as 'The Eye of Baal', the reason for which may be clearly seem when viewing the feature from the air.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Baal/69/176/22

[[Image:Kothar.jpg|right|100px]]

=== Kothar Public Park, Nautilus-Kothar ===

The second park is located immediately adjacent within the Kothar district and contains a large outdoor public pool and thermal spa area alongside stone walkways. This location, in addition to the wild vegetation and arboreta common to both parks, also features a large outdoor mechanical chess set, the workings of which have yet to be precisely discovered, and a natural pool within which sits a small island upon which is sited a monument of unknown assignation.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Kothar/3/186/22

[[Image:Nautilus-gate.jpg|right|100px]]

=== City Sea Gate, Nautilus-Melqart ===

Two enormous bronze gates close the sea channel against hazards where it enters the great citadel wall. These may be swung open and shut, forming a bright star in the centre which acts as a night beacon when they are closed against entry.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Melqart/83/228/25

[[Image:Nautilus-canal.jpg|right|100px]]

=== The Canal, Nautilus ===

The deep channel of The Great Canal extends from the Citadel due east, and straight as a die, to the ocean, which it meets at the turbulent waters surrounding the Pharos. The channel has become home to various flora and fauna over the years.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nautilus%20-%20Elissa/129/6/10




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Blue Linden: /* Places to display Office Hours */

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== Productivity ==
[[Template:Office Hours]], [[Template:Office Hours/include]] and [[Template:Office Hours/teen-include]] were created in order to improve productivity amongst Lindens & Residents who hold in-world office hours.

I noticed that Office Hours were being listed in multiple places ([[Office Hours]] and the Lindens' User-pages), and as any developer knows, duplication of data is bad.

[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 04:39, 6 August 2007 (PDT)

== Setting up your Office Hours ==
See [[#Usage|usage]] for how to use the '''Office Hours''' template.

=== Main Grid ===
Create an article named '''Office Hours''' in your user space, e.g. [[User:Blue Linden/Office Hours]]

=== Teen Grid ===
Create an article named '''Teen Office Hours''' in your user space, e.g. [[User:Blue Linden/Teen Office Hours]]

== Displaying your Office Hours ==

=== Main Grid ===
<nowiki>{{Office Hours/include|First Last}}</nowiki>, e.g. <nowiki>{{Office Hours/include|Blue Linden}}</nowiki>

=== Teen Grid ===
<nowiki>{{Office Hours/teen-include|First Last}}</nowiki>, e.g. <nowiki>{{Office Hours/teen-include|Blue Linden}}</nowiki>

== Cancelling Office Hours ==
If you're only cancelling one or two sessions, edit your Office Hours article, not the articles it is included in. This ensures all instances of the Office Hours display are kept up to date, and avoids the issue of duplication of information that the template-based system was created to avoid.

If you're cancelling your Office Hours indefinitely,
# Go to your Office Hours article (e.g. [[User:Blue Linden/Office Hours]] )
# Edit the content to the effect of "Cancelled until further notice"
# Click the "What links here" link in the sidebar (e.g. [[Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Blue Linden/Office Hours]] )
# Except where in other users' article spaces or talk pages (e.g. [[User:SignpostMarv Martin/Sandbox/Office Hours Table Test]]), remove all instances where your article has been included with template syntax (e.g. <nowiki>{{Office Hours/include|Blue Linden}}</nowiki> )

== Places to display Office Hours ==
All Office Hours are listed in [[:Category:Office Hours]]

=== Linden Lab Employees ===
* [[Office_Hours/MG|Main Grid Office Hours]]
* [[Office Hours/By Day|Main Grid Office Hours By Day]]
* [[Office_Hours/TG|Teen Grid Office Hours]]
* [[Office Hours/By Day/TG|Teen Grid Office Hours By Day]]
* [[Office_Hours/VTeam|VTeam Office Hours]]
* [[Office_Hours/GTeam|GTeam Office Hours]]
* [[Resident_Experience/Office_Hours|Resident_Experience Office Hours]]

=== Residents ===
* [[SL5B/Office Hours|SL5B Office Hours]]

== Usage ==
The '''voice''' parameter is intended to be used where the primary form of communication during the office hours will be voice chat. The voice parameter can be activated by setting it to an asterisk, e.g. ''voice=*'', as in the example below. Alternatively for Teen-Grid Residents, the voice parameter can be set to '''teen''', e.g. ''voice=teen''.

<pre><nowiki>{{Office Hours
|Resident=SignpostMarv Martin
|location=nowhere in particular
|times=* no time in particular
|topics=*no topics in particular
|voice=*
|}}</nowiki></pre>
{{:User:SignpostMarv Martin/Template:Office Hours
|Resident=SignpostMarv Martin
|location=nowhere in particular
|times=* no time in particular
|topics=*no topics in particular
|voice=*
|}}
[[Category:Office Hours|*]]
[[Category:Teen Office Hours|*]]
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User talk:Blue Linden

2008-10-31T21:39:35Z

Blue Linden: /* VTeam */

User talk:Blue Linden

2008-10-31T21:39:04Z

Blue Linden: /* VTeam */

User talk:Blue Linden

2008-10-31T21:38:41Z

Blue Linden: /* VTeam */

User talk:Blue Linden

2008-10-31T21:38:14Z

Blue Linden: /* VTeam */