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2016-05-15T09:38:23Z

Qie Niangao: Remove internal references to defunct domain "virtualrailwayconsortium.org", non-existent image links, and obsolete officers.

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==Description==
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This article is about the Second Life group [http://www.virtualrailwayconsortium.org Virtual Railway Consortium]. The group stimulates rail and other transport related activities in SL and documents exisiting rail systems. 
We focus on the Second Life Railroad ( [[Acronyms|SLRR]] ) on the Heterocera Atoll continent, but are also interested in other railways and transportation facilities.

This page is maintained by members of the VRC. You can use the Talk page if you want to get in contact with them.
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==Links==
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To help all Residents understand what rail resources are available in SL, we have created a few related wiki pages. These pages are maintained by members of the VRC.
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_History]]
: History index page with direct links to the sections of the SLRR history
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_History_1]]
: 1st page of the SLRR History covering the years 2005 to 2009
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_History_2]]
: 2nd page of the SLRR History covering the year 2010
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_Stations]]
: Complete listing of official SLRR Stations and a short list of public Resident stations along the SLRR. Including maps made by the VRC
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==About the Virtual Railway Consortium==
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The Virtual Railway Consortium consists of members that enjoy the diverse railway and other transportation resources in [http://secondlife.com Second lifeTM]. Members include individual rail enthusiasts and representatives of other rail- and transportation-oriented groups.

The VRC has chosen the following people to lead the group:
:*Presiding chair: {{User2|Moundsa Mayo}}
:*Co-Chair: {{User2|Qie Niangao}}
:*Secretary: position is vacant
You may contact them if you want more specific information or would like a group invitation.

Officially Affiliated Groups collaborating with the VRC are:
:* Hobo Junction represented by {{User2|Thinkerer Melville}}
:* Okemo, Nakiska, & Southern Railway represented by {{User2|Hilary Sikorsky}}
:* Second Life Transit Authority represented by {{User2|Baloo Uriza}}
:* Switchback Railroad represented by {{User2|Xirconnia Morphett}}
:* The Undergrid Herald represented by {{User2|Mavromichali Szondi}}
:* Lionheart Community represented by {{User2|Dirk Klees}}
:* Independent State of Caledon represented by {{User2|Rose Springvale}}
:* =(SCI)= Capital Steeltopia Citizens represented by {{User2|SteelCobra Calamari}}

<center>{{ColorBox|Our motto | "State no issue without solution" |#cde7ff|#005dc0|#808080|4px}}</center>
We aim to enhance enjoyment of Second Life rail by extending track, improving traffic flow on shared rights-of-way, and facilitating rail experiences for residents. Projects include, among others:
:* Promoting rail-related events;
:* Documentation of rail in Second Life [[Second_Life_Railroad/SLRR_standards|rail technology]];
:* Documentation of the SLRR History as compiled by the VRC;
:* Mapping the SLRR and stations along its Right Of Way;
:* Close cooperation with [http://www.lindenlab.com Linden LabTM];
:* Sharing ideas and solutions with the [[LDPW|Linden Department of Public Works]] and Residents in general;
:* Making open source information, scripts, and builds available to all SL Residents, and;
:* Integrating rail with other modes of transportation.

For this we collect and present all publicly available information on subjects that relate to our group from internet sources, wiki pages, in-world Second Life, SL Residents, and more. We post them so the greatest number of SL Residents can learn about and benefit from them. For this we use Wiki pages as well as our [http://world.secondlife.com/group/d012db1d-563e-e813-df8a-f1d413df4c3a in-world group] VRC. You may become a member of the VRC by sending an IM to any of the group officers.

There are other Rail related groups in Second Life (see [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium#References|References]] for a short list).
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==Source==
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The above information was collected by members of the Virtual Railway Consortium. 
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==References==
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In this list of Related resources you can find more information about the SLRR and other Rail related articles on wiki pages and external websites.

Wiki pages:
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium]] Main page
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_History]] Index page
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_History_1]] 2005 to 2009
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_History_2]] 2010
* [[Virtual_Railway_Consortium/SLRR_Stations]] SLRR and Resident stations along the SLRR

* [[Second_Life_Railroad|SLRR Main page]]
* [[Second_Life_Railroad/SLRR_History|SLRR History]]
* [[Second_Life_Railroad/SLRR_standards|SLRR Standards]]
* [[Second Life Railroad/SLRR Switch|SLRR Switch]]

* [[LDPW|Linden Department of Public Works]]
* [[ONSR|Okemo, Nakiska, and Southern Railway]]
* [[GSLR|The Great Second Life Railway]]
* [[SJRR]] - Sutherland Junction Railway
* [[Second Norway Railway]]
* [[Lionheart Railway]]
* [[New York Railway]]
* [[German Railway]]
* [[Premium Railway]]
* [[Bay City Railway & Trams]]
* [[Caledon Railway]]
* [[Babbage Railway]]
* [[Tombstone Railway]]
* [[WW II Railway]]
* [[Small Railways]]
* [[List Of Railways]]
* [http://www.steampunkwiki.net/index.php?title=Caledon_National_Rail Caledon National Rail]

* [[Linden_Vehicle_Tutorial]]
External information:
* [http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=physics Physics related LSL on LSLwiki.net]
* [http://lslwiki.net/lslwiki/wakka.php?wakka=vehicles Vehicle related LSL on LSLwiki.net]
Rail related groups:
* [http://world.secondlife.com/group/d012db1d-563e-e813-df8a-f1d413df4c3a SL Group: Virtual Railway Consortium]
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User:Becky Pippen/Shared Media LSL Recipes

2015-08-06T10:06:57Z

Qie Niangao: Dredged-up a few of the reference links from blog and forums archives; probably more could be found. Certainly most of the Shared Media tech discussion happened before the links all broke, so search the archives is worthwhile.

==How-to's with Media-on-a-Prim==



The examples here assume you're comfortable with LSL, and you just need a quick reference for the syntax of handling HTML and JavaScript in LSL for Shared Media scripting. All the examples on this page are ready to copy-n-paste and drop into a prim — no other setup needed. The key syntax in each example is highlighted. There's no error handling in these minimalist examples, so add plenty of your own.

===Display plain text — XyText replacement===
[[Image:MoaP-example_1.png‎|thumb|Plain text]]
<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string message = "Hello World";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, "data:text/html," + message]);
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* An avatar must press the Reload button on the browser to see this rendered in-world. A page will be auto-loaded if you include the parameter <tt>PRIM_MEDIA_AUTO_PLAY, TRUE</tt>, and if the avatar has auto-load enabled in preferences.
* There's no need to add any %-hex-escaping or to use [[llEscapeURL]](); llSetPrimMediaParams(face, [PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, url]) will automatically escape the string for you.
* This works by feeding a data URI to the on-prim browser. Think of it as serving the contents of the page in the URL itself. For more information, see [[Shared_Media_and_data_URI|here]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_URI_scheme here].
* The in-world browser limits the data URI (or any address) to 1024 bytes after %-hex-escaping and encoded in UTF-8. See below for tricks using external or self-served JavaScript or CSS to leverage the data URI.
* If the data URI contains just plain text, the prefix <tt>"data:text/html,"</tt> can be abbreviated <tt>"data:,"</tt>.

===Force a page reload===
<tt>
[[Image:MoaP-example-refreshpage.gif|thumb|Auto-refresh]]
integer face = 4;
string myURL;
integer seq = 0; // sequence number for unique URLs

default
{
state_entry()
{
llRequestURL();
}

http_request(key id, string method, string body)
{
if (method == URL_REQUEST_GRANTED) {
myURL = body;
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_AUTO_PLAY, TRUE,
PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, myURL]);
llSetTimerEvent(5.0);
} else if (method == "GET") {
llHTTPResponse(id, 200, "Sim FPS: " + (string)llGetRegionFPS());
}
}

timer()
{
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, myURL + "/?r=" + (string)(++seq)]);
}
} </tt>
Comments:
* The page will reload automatically if <tt>PRIM_MEDIA_AUTO_PLAY</tt> is enabled and if the new <tt>PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL</tt> is different. This technique appends a short dummy parameter (like <tt>"/?r=12"</tt>) to the end of the URL to make it different each time, forcing a reload. The parameter is otherwise ignored.

===Display text with HTML markup===
[[Image:MoaP-example-markup.png‎‎|thumb|HTML markup]]
<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string message = "Hello<h2>World!</h2>";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, "data:text/html," + message]);
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* The text of the data URI will be %-hex-escaped automatically for you, so there's no need to use [[llEscapeURL]](). All you need in the data URI is the prefix <tt>data:text/html,</tt> plus your HTML.

===Change window resolution===
[[Image:MoaP-example-size.png‎|thumb|Resized web window]]
<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string message = "Hello World";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, "data:text/html," + message,
PRIM_MEDIA_WIDTH_PIXELS, 128,
PRIM_MEDIA_HEIGHT_PIXELS, 32]);
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* The browser will add scroll bars if the rendered HTML doesn't fit within the specified PRIM_MEDIA_* size.

===Display an image — works with animated GIFs too===
[[Image:MoaP-example-animgif.gif‎|thumb|Image on a prim]]
<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string imageURL =
"http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Rotating_earth_(small).gif";
string dataURI = "data:text/html,<object data='" + imageURL + "'></object>";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI,
PRIM_MEDIA_WIDTH_PIXELS, 256,
PRIM_MEDIA_HEIGHT_PIXELS, 256]);
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* If attempting to display YouTube video full-frame, see [https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/tnt/blog/2010/03/16/viewer-2-tip-shared-media-show-youtube-on-a-full-prims-face this discussion].
* For images, you can also use <tt><image src= ></tt> like this:
string dataURI="data:text/html,<img src='" + imageURL + "'>";

===Display a background image, tiled===

====Method #1 — using CSS in a style element in <head>====
[[Image:MoaP-example-bgTiled.png‎|thumb|Tiled background image]]
<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string imageURL =
"http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/logo.gif";
string dataURI = "data:text/html,<head>"
+ "<style type='text/css'>body{background-image:url(\""
+ imageURL + "\");}</style></head><body>Hello World</body>";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI]);
}
} </tt>

====Method #2 — using background attribute in <body>====

<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string imageURL = "http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/logo.gif";
string dataURI = "data:text/html,<body background='" + imageURL + "'>"
+ "Hello World"
+ "</body>";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI]);
}
} </tt>

====Method #3 — using style attribute in <body>====

<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string imageURL = "http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/logo.gif";
string dataURI = "data:text/html,<body style='background-image:url(\"" + imageURL + "\")'>"
+ "Hello World"
+ "</body>";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI]);
}
} </tt>

===Text colors — using element===
[[Image:MoaP-example-font-color.png‎|thumb|Font color]]
<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string message = "Hello World";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, "data:text/html," + message]);
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* You can also specify color and other CSS rules in a style attribute in another element. For example, you can replace message in the example above with:

string message = "<h2 style='color:#FF0000'>Hello World</h2>";

===Link to external CSS file (forms example)===
[[Image:MoaP-example-externalCSS.png‎|thumb|External CSS file]]
<tt>
default
{
state_entry()
{
integer face = 4;
string externalCSS =
"http://www.google.com/css/modules/buttons/g-button-chocobo.css";

string dataURI = "data:text/html,<head><link href='" +
externalCSS + "' rel='stylesheet' type='text/css' /></head>" +
"<form><input type='button' value='Click Me' class='g-button' /></form>";

llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI]);
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* This is one way to work around the 1024-byte limitation of data URIs. The external CSS can be as large as the browser permits. Also see the examples below for putting JavaScript in an external file.
* The tag <tt><head></tt> and the attribute <tt>type='text/css'</tt> may be omitted to make the data URI a few bytes shorter.

===Calling external JavaScript functions (JQuery example)===
[[Image:MoaP-example-JQuery.gif‎|thumb|Calling external JQuery]]
<tt>
integer face = 4;
string externalJavascript =
"http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.4/jquery.min.js";
default
{
state_entry()
{
string dataURI = "data:text/html," +
"<head><script src='" + externalJavascript + "'></script></head>" +
"<button>Toggle</button>" +
"Hello World" +
"<script>$('button').click(function () " +
"{$('p').slideToggle('slow');});</script>";

llSetPrimMediaParams(face,
[PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI]);
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* This is a technique for working around the 1024-byte limit for data URIs. When you can't fit all the JavaScript you need into one data URI, just move some JavaScript functions into an external file and give the browser a data URI that references the external file with a URL. In this example above, the JavaScript for [http://jquery.com/ JQuery] lives in an external file on Google's servers. You just need enough bytes left over in the data URI to put a JavaScript function call with its parameters inside a <tt><script></tt> element.
* A data URI can be used as a springboard to generate arbitrary complex web pages by making use of these elements:
** a reference to external CSS with <tt><link href= </tt>,
** a reference to external JavaScript with <tt><script src=</tt>, and
** a function call with parameters to the external JavaScript using <tt><script>someFunction(args);</script></tt>. (In the JQuery example above, the name of the external function is <tt>"$"</tt>.)
* See the next two examples for variations of this same technique.

===Self-served HTML and JavaScript===
====Example #1 — using <script src= and .innerHTML= ====
[[Image:MoaP-example-refresh-clock.gif‎|thumb|Self-served auto-refreshed pages]]
<tt>
integer face = 4;
string myURL;

// This can be up to 2KBytes after %-hex-escaping:
string servedPage = "
function checklength(i){if (i<10) {i='0'+i;} return i;}
function clock(){
var now = new Date();
var hours = checklength(now.getHours());
var minutes = checklength(now.getMinutes());
var seconds = checklength(now.getSeconds());
var format = 1; //0=24 hour format, 1=12 hour format
var time;
if (format == 1) {
if (hours >= 12) {
if (hours ==12 ) { hours = 12;
} else { hours = hours-12; }
time=hours+':'+minutes+':'+seconds+' PM';
} else if(hours < 12) {
if (hours ==0) {hours=12;}
time=hours+':'+minutes+':'+seconds+' AM';
}
}
if (format == 0) {time= hours+':'+minutes+':'+seconds;}
document.getElementById('clock').innerHTML=time;
setTimeout('clock();', 500);
} "; // yes, that's one long string.

displayPage()
{
string dataURI = "data:text/html,<script src='" +
myURL + "'></script>" +
"<div id='clock'><script>clock();</script></div>";
llSetPrimMediaParams(face, [PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI]);
}

default
{
state_entry()
{
llRequestURL();
}

http_request(key id, string method, string body)
{
if (method == URL_REQUEST_GRANTED) {
myURL = body;
displayPage();
} else if (method == "GET") {
llHTTPResponse(id, 200, servedPage);
}
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* This is a technique for trading the 1024-byte limit of data URIs for the 2048-byte-per-page limit that the script can serve itself. As in the previous example, when you can't fit all the JavaScript into one data URI, just move the JavaScript into an external file and reference the file with <tt><script src=URL></script></tt>. When the URL refers to the script's own HTTP-in URL, then the page served can contain up to 2K bytes, so you get at least that many bytes plus whatever logic you can fit into the rest of the data URI. If you move that JavaScript to an external web server, the size of the external JavaScript file can be as large as the client web browser can render.
* Your script can serve an arbitrary number of different pages through one HTTP-in URL by appending a path or parameter to the URL.
* This works by assigning a string containing HTML to the <tt>.innerHTML</tt> contents of the <tt><div></tt> element with id "clock". This achieves something similar to the Ajax-like [http://talirosca.wikidot.com/bootstrapping-html-on-a-prim technique published by Tali Rosca] and mentioned [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Kelly_Linden/lsl_hacks#DHTML_.2F_Javascript_.28Tali_Rosca.29 here]. In those techniques, a string is constructed containing an <tt><a href=</tt> tag and an <tt>href=</tt> that points to the script's HTTP-in URL. That string then replaces the <tt><body></tt> element using:
<tt>document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0].innerHTML = new-content</tt>

====Example #2 — using <body onload= (lag graph example)====
[[Image:MoaP-example-laggraph.gif‎|thumb|Refreshed pages]]
<tt>
integer face = 4;
string jsURL; // where to fetch external JavaScript
list numbers;
integer numSamples = 50;

// This is self-served in this example, but can be
// moved to an external server:
//
string externalJavascript()
{
return
"function bar(widthPct,heightPix) {" +
" document.writeln(\"<hr style='padding:0;margin:0;" +
" margin-top:-1px;text-align:left;align:left;border=0;" +
" width:\"+widthPct+\"%;height:\"+heightPix+\"px;" +
" background-color:#c22;color:#c22;'>\");}" +
" function graphBars(arr){for(var i=0;i<arr.length;++i)" +
" {bar(arr[i],18);}}";
}

default
{
state_entry()
{
llClearPrimMedia(face);
llRequestURL();
integer i = numSamples;
while (--i >= 0) {
numbers += 0;
}
}

timer()
{
numbers = llList2List(numbers, 1, -1) + [(integer)(6.0 * (45.0 - llGetRegionFPS()))];

// The dataURI loads external JavaScript functions and calls one with parameters:

string dataURI = "data:text/html," +
"<head><script src='" + jsURL + "'></script></head>" +
"<body onload=\"graphBars([" + llList2CSV(numbers) + "]);\"></body>";

llSetPrimMediaParams(face, [PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI, PRIM_MEDIA_AUTO_PLAY, TRUE]);
}

http_request(key id, string method, string body)
{
if (method == URL_REQUEST_GRANTED) {
jsURL = body; // self-serve the JavaScript
llSetTimerEvent(1.0);
} else if (method == "GET") {
llHTTPResponse(id, 200, externalJavascript());
}
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* Like the previous example, this is another variation of how to structure a data URI to serve as a springboard for arbitrarily large pages. In this example, the data URI first uses a <tt><script src=...></tt> tag to read a file of external JavaScript functions in the <tt><head></tt> element, and then the <tt>onload=</tt> attribute in <tt><body></tt> triggers a call to one of the functions which executes a loop creating a bunch of <tt><hr></tt> elements that form the bar chart. The size of HTML generated by the JavaScript can be as large as the browser permits.
* In this example, <tt>jsURL</tt> is set to the script's own HTTP-in URL so that the example can be self-contained, but you can point <tt>jsURL</tt> to an external URL as well. If served by an external server, the JavaScript read in <tt><head></tt> can be as large as the browser permits.
* <tt><head></head></tt> can be omitted in the data URI surrounding the <tt><script src=</tt> tag.

===Reverse Ajax - Long-polling the HTTP-in server, chat logger example===
[[Image:MoaP-example-Long-polling-httpin.gif|thumb|300px|Long-polling HTTP-in]]
<tt>
// Reverse Ajax: Long-polling HTTP-in.
// Becky Pippen, 2010, contributed to the public domain.

integer face = 4; // Prim face for Shared Media

string myURL; // HTTP-in URL
key inId = NULL_KEY; // GET request id
list msgQueue = []; // strings of Javascript

// url is our own HTTP-in url.
// This sets up a bootloader web page like this:
// <html><body>
// <div><script id='sc'></script></div>
// <script> callbacks and poll.beg() defined here </script>
// <button onclick=poll.beg()>Start</button>
// <div id='dv'></div>
// </body></html>
// When the button is pressed, the JS code sets src= on script#sc
// and reattaches the script element to the parent <div> element which
// initiates a GET to the prim's HTTP-in port
//
setDataURI(string url)
{
string dataURI = "data:text/html,
<!DOCTYPE HTML><html><body><div><script id='sc'></script></div><script>
var poll=function(){var sc=document.getElementById('sc'),t2,seq=0,s0;return{
beg:function(){s0=document.createElement('script');s0.onload=poll.end;t2=setTimeout('poll.end()',20000);
s0.src='" + url + "/?r='+(seq++);sc.parentNode.replaceChild(s0,sc);sc=s0;},
end:function(){clearTimeout(t2);t2=null;sc.onload=null;setTimeout('poll.beg()',500);},};}();</script>
<button id='btn'onclick=poll.beg()>Start</button><div id='dv'></div></body></html>";

llSetPrimMediaParams(face, [PRIM_MEDIA_CURRENT_URL, dataURI]);
}

// Returns zero or more queued messages. Assumes no single message is
// longer than MAX_SIZE_CHARS (will hang if there is)
//
string popQueuedMessages()
{
string totalMsg = "";
integer totalMsgSize = 0;
string nextMsg = "";
integer nextMsgSize = 0;

// HTTP response bodies are limited to 2048 bytes after encoding
// in UTF-8. LSL string sizes are measured in characters, which,
// in UTF-8, use one byte (for ASCII chars), two bytes (most Latin-1),
// or three bytes (a few international characters). So, unless
// you re-write this section so that it measures UTF-8 size, keep
// MAX_SIZE_CHARS small enough so the text will fit in a response body.
//
integer MAX_SIZE_CHARS = 1000; // Max HTTP body size

integer numMessagesQueued = llGetListLength(msgQueue);
integer count = 0;
integer done = FALSE;
while (!done && count < numMessagesQueued) {
nextMsg = llList2String(msgQueue, count);
nextMsgSize = llStringLength(nextMsg);

if (totalMsgSize + nextMsgSize < MAX_SIZE_CHARS) {
totalMsg += nextMsg;
totalMsgSize += nextMsgSize;
++count;
} else {
done = TRUE;
}
}

// Delete the messages from the queue that we're going to send:
if (count > 0) {
msgQueue = llDeleteSubList(msgQueue, 0, count - 1);
}

return totalMsg;
}

// Called when there are previous messages still queued, or if there
// is no GET request currently open to respond to.
//
pushMessageToSend(string msg)
{
msgQueue = msgQueue + [msg]; // last element is the last one stacked

// See if we can send some messages now:
if (inId != NULL_KEY) {
llHTTPResponse(inId, 200, popQueuedMessages());
inId = NULL_KEY;
} // else wait for the next incoming GET request
}

// Replaces all occurrences of 'from' with 'to' in 'src'
// From http://snipplr.com/view/13279/lslstrreplace/
//
string str_replace(string subject, string search, string replace)
{
return llDumpList2String(llParseStringKeepNulls(subject, [search], []), replace);
}

// Optionally filter out characters in text that would mess up the
// web page display. This demo just escapes ' and " and adds a space after '<'.
//
string addSlashes(string s)
{
return str_replace(str_replace(str_replace(s, "<", "< "), "\"", "\\\""), "'", "\\\'");
}

// This is the main interface for LSL to control the Shared Media web page.
// The messages we send consist of Javascript function statements that the
// browser will evaluate and execute in the context of the web page.
// See sendMessageF() for a similar function with macro replacement.
//
sendMessage(string msg)
{
// Test for the easy case: if there are no other messages waiting
// in the queue, and if there is an open GET connection, then just
// respond immediately:

if (llGetListLength(msgQueue) == 0 && inId != NULL_KEY) {
// Nothing in the queue and an open GET, so respond immediately:
llHTTPResponse(inId, 200, msg);
inId = NULL_KEY;
} else {
pushMessageToSend(msg);
}
}

// Same as sendMessage() but with macro replacements. For each nth string
// element in replacements, replace all occurrences of {@n}. For example,
// sendMessageF( "alert('{@0} {@1}!')", ["Hello", "World"] );
// will send "alert('Hello World!')" to the web browser.
//
sendMessageF(string msg, list replacements)
{
integer numrepl = llGetListLength(replacements);
integer i;
for (i = 0; i < numrepl; ++i) {
msg = str_replace(msg, "{@" + (string)i + "}", llList2String(replacements, i));
}

sendMessage(msg);
}

// Chat logger demo: writes a new <tr> table row to the web page
// for every line of open chat it hears.
//
webAppInit()
{
string msg;
string m0;

// First, send over a few handy function definitions:

msg = "function $$(t) { return document.getElementsByTagName(t)[0]; };";
msg += "function h() { return $$('head'); };";
msg += "function b() { return $$('body'); };";
msg += "function e(id) { return document.getElementById(id); };";
sendMessage(msg);

// Send some CSS. WebKit is sensitive about appending <style> elements
// to <head>, so we'll append it to an existing <div> tag in <body> instead.

msg = "e('dv').innerHTML += \"{@0}\";";
m0 = "<style>td:nth-child(2) { text-align:right } tr:nth-child(odd) { background-color:#f8e8f8 }</style>";
sendMessageF(msg, [m0]);

// Write a <table> element into element div#dv. The lines of chat will
// become rows in this table appended to tbody#tbd

msg = "e('dv').innerHTML += \"{@0}\";";
m0 = "<table><tbody id='tbd'></tbody></table>";
sendMessageF(msg, [m0]);

llListen(0, "", NULL_KEY, "");
}

default
{
state_entry()
{
llClearPrimMedia(face);
 llRequestURL();

 webAppInit();
}

 http_request(key id, string method, string body)
{
if (method == URL_REQUEST_GRANTED) {
myURL = body;
llOwnerSay("myURL=" + myURL);
setDataURI(myURL);
} else if (method == "GET") {
// Either send some queued messages now with llHTTPResponse(),
// or if there's nothing to do now, save the GET id and
// wait for somebody to call sendMessage().
 if (llGetListLength(msgQueue) > 0) {
 llHTTPResponse(id, 200, popQueuedMessages());
inId = NULL_KEY;
} else {
inId = id;
}
}
}

 // When we hear chat from name, send a Javascript statement that
// appends HTML to element #tbd. I.e., we'll make a string of HTML
// formatted like this:
// <tr style="color:hsl(200,100%,30%)">
// <td>[01:23]</td>
// <td>Avatar Name</td>
// <td>the chat text</td>
// </tr>
// and send it wrapped it in a Javascript statement like this:
// e('tbd').innerHTML += htmlstring;
//
listen(integer chan, string name, key id, string chat)
{
integer s = (integer)("0x" + llGetSubString((string)id, 0, 6));
string hue = (string)(s % 360);
string color = "hsl(" + hue + ",100%, 30%)";

string msg = "e('tbd').innerHTML += '{@0}';";
string m0 = "<tr style=\"color: {@4}\">";
m0 += "<td>{@1}</td>";
m0 += "<td>{@2}:</td>";
m0 += "<td>{@3}</td>";
m0 += "</tr>";

string t = llGetSubString(llGetTimestamp(), 11, 15);
sendMessageF(msg, [m0, "[" + t + "]", name, addSlashes(chat), color]);
}
}
</tt>

Comments:
<ol start="1">
<li>This "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology server-push]" technique using long-polling gives an LSL script the ability to modify the web page displayed on a prim. The Javascript side always keeps an HTTP GET open to the prim's HTTP-in URL, and the LSL side responds whenever it wants to with a response consisting of strings of Javascript to be executed by the web browser. For example, this LSL code causes an alert box to pop up on the web page:
: <code>sendMessage( "alert()" );</code></li>
<li>In the LSL listing above, the yellow highlighting shows the most important parts of the HTTP long-polling mechanism. The green highlighting shows the message buffering on top of that. The blue highlighting is the application code that uses long-polling. To use long-polling for a different application, replace the blue parts. The rest is glue.</li>
<li>To avoid some subtle WebKit problems when dynamically appending or replacing the first-level child nodes in <head> or <body>, we've made two special <div> elements on the bootstrap HTML page. The first surrounds the script#sc element that we replace for each GET. The second is at the end of <body> as a convenient place for the application to insert new content that would otherwise go in <body>.</li>
<li>To make sure that there is nearly always a valid GET request open, the Javascript side starts a new GET after receiving a response, or just before the last unanswered GET times out.</li>
<li>There are two timeouts hard-coded in the bootstrap data URI:
<ol style="list-style-type:lower-roman"><li>The "20000" is the timeout (20 seconds) for when an open GET expires, and should be set to a little less than the minimum of the WebKit outgoing GET request timeout, and the SL-LSL incoming GET timeout. This ensures that GETs are nearly continuous, and the LSL side can always respond to the most recent GET request. [[LlHTTPResponse|This page]] says the timeout on the LSL side is 25 seconds.</li>
<li>The "500" is a throttle that sets an upper limit to how fast the Javascript re-polls HTTP-in to prevent hammering the simulator. It's a half-second delay after receiving a GET response before starting a new GET.</li></ol>
<li> If there's a little gap between two GETs, or if two overlap a little, the sendMessage() message buffering will compensate by queuing up messages to be sent when the next GET arrives. If there are multiple messages in the queue when a GET arrives, the LSL side will concatenate as many messages as possible and send them together.
</li>
<li>On the Javascript side, the GET is not triggered until the <tt><script></tt> element is attached to its parent node with .appendChild() or .replaceChild().</li>
<li>The bootstrap Javascript above in setDataURI() had to be compressed somewhat to fit into the 1024-byte data URI limit. Here's an expanded listing for reference with more descriptive names:</li>
<tt>
<!DOCTYPE HTML>
<html>
<body>
<div>
<script id='script'> </script>
</div>
<script>
var poll=function(){
var script=document.getElementById('script'),
timeoutId,
seq=0,
newScript;
return {
beg:function() { // Initiate a long-poll GET
newScript=document.createElement('script'); // The response will go here
newScript.onload=poll.end; // Call poll.end() when we get a response
timeoutId=setTimeout('poll.end()',20000); // ... or if we time out
newScript.src=' HTTP-in URL goes here /?r='+(seq++);
script.parentNode.replaceChild(newScript,script); // this triggers the GET
script=newScript;},

end:function() {
clearTimeout(timeoutId);
timeoutId=null;
script.onload=null;
setTimeout('poll.beg()',500); // Wait a bit before re-polling
},
};
}();
</script>
<button id='btn'onclick=poll.beg()>Start<button>
<div id='dv'> </div>
</body>
</html>
</tt>
</ol>

===Make TinyURLs by script===
<tt>
string myTinyURL;

default
{
state_entry()
{
llRequestURL();
}

http_request(key id, string method, string body)
{
if (method == URL_REQUEST_GRANTED) {
// Send our full URL to tinyurl.com for conversion
// The answer will come back in http_response()
llHTTPRequest("http://tinyurl.com/api-create.php?url=" + body, [], "");
} else if (method == "GET") {
llHTTPResponse(id, 200, "Hello Real World from the Virtual World");
}
}

http_response(key req, integer stat, list met, string body)
{
myTinyURL = body;
llOwnerSay("My HTTP-in TinyURL is: " + myTinyURL + " , Click Me!");
}
} </tt>

Comments:
* Any URL or data URI can be mapped to a TinyURL. The example above reduces an assigned HTTP-in URL, which is a long one such as:
<nowiki>http://sim4605.agni.lindenlab.com:12046/cap/2b9f06f7-431e-5b0f-9271-2d03bd15370b</nowiki>
into a TinyURL this size:
<nowiki>http://tinyurl.com/y9etul3</nowiki>

===Development hints===
# You can develop your HTML and JavaScript outside of Second Life by putting your JavaScript incantations in data URIs that you feed to any web browser. For the most compatible browsers, use Safari or Google Chrome, or any other that uses the [[QtWebKit|WebKit]] HTML rendering engine. If you can't run Safari or Chrome, try the open source [http://code.google.com/p/arora/ Arora web browser] for simulating Media-on-a-Prim: it's based on straight-up WebKit and has the same handy inspector/debugger found in other WebKit browsers.
# If you don't have direct access to a web server while developing this stuff, then consider installing a local copy of [http://www.apache.org/ Apache web server] on your computer. You can restrict it to local access. Then you can refer to files on your own computer with URLs that start with <tt><nowiki>http://localhost/</nowiki>...</tt>, and PHP scripts can simulate what the HTTP-in server would serve. That lets you, for example, edit <tt>myfile.js</tt> on your own computer while working on a data URI that contains <tt><script src="<nowiki>http://localhost/myfile.js</nowiki>"></tt>. Then when <tt>myfile.js</tt> is working, you can put the debugged code into an LSL script that will serve it through its HTTP-in port. That's easier than debugging all that in-world.

===References and sources===
* [[User:Kelly_Linden/lsl_hacks|Kelly Linden's hacks]]
* [http://talirosca.wikidot.com/bootstrapping-html-on-a-prim Tali Rosca's techniques]
* [https://community.secondlife.com/t5/Scripting/Notecard-Text-on-a-Prim-Demo-Viewer-2-0/m-p/110300/highlight/true#M1182 Notecard Text on a Prim - Demo]
* [[llSetPrimMediaParams]]()
* {{JIRA|SVC-3427}}
* [https://blogs.secondlife.com/message/124144 Ajax in Shared Media #1]
* [https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/11698 Ajax in Shared Media #2]
* [https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/12727 Ajax in Shared Media #3]
* [https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/13455 SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) in Shared Media]
* [[Shared_Media_and_data_URI|Shared_Media_and_data_URI]]
* [https://community.secondlife.com/t5/TNT-Second-Life-Tips-Tricks/VIEWER-2-TIP-Shared-Media-Add-custom-content-with-data-URI-no/ba-p/656903 Shared Media: Add custom content with data: URI]
* [https://community.secondlife.com/t5/Viewer-2-0-General/quot-Shared-Media-quot-A-few-facts/m-p/118388#M5185 "Shared Media" - A few facts]

[[Category:Shared Media]]

Template:LSL Constants/Experience Tools Errors

2014-07-19T11:08:09Z

Qie Niangao: XP_ERROR_NONE *is* 0, and all the status codes were scrambled, no clue why. See http://community.secondlife.com/t5/SLEXP-Closed-Beta-Tester/Error-Codes/td-p/2779710

{{{!}} class="sortable" {{prettytable}}
{{!}}- {{hl2}}
! {{!}} LSL Constant
! title="Value" {{!}}
! {{!}} Message returned via [[llGetExperienceErrorMessage]]
! {{!}} Description
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_NONE]]
{{!}} 0
{{!}} no error
{{!}} No error was detected.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_THROTTLED]]
{{!}} 1
{{!}} exceeded throttle
{{!}} The call failed due to too many recent calls.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_EXPERIENCES_DISABLED]]
{{!}} 2
{{!}} experiences are disabled
{{!}} The region currently has experiences disabled.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_INVALID_PARAMETERS]]
{{!}} 3
{{!}} invalid parameters
{{!}} One of the string arguments was too big to fit in the key-value store.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_NOT_PERMITTED]]
{{!}} 4
{{!}} operation not permitted
{{!}} This experience is not allowed to run on the current region.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_NO_EXPERIENCE]]
{{!}} 5
{{!}} script not associated with an experience
{{!}} This script is not associated with an experience.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_NOT_FOUND]]
{{!}} 6
{{!}} not found
{{!}} The sim was unable to verify the validity of the experience. Retrying after a short wait is advised.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_INVALID_EXPERIENCE]]
{{!}} 7
{{!}} invalid experience
{{!}} The script is associated with an experience that no longer exists.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_EXPERIENCE_DISABLED]]
{{!}} 8
{{!}} experience is disabled
{{!}} The experience owner has temporarily disabled the experience.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_EXPERIENCE_SUSPENDED]]
{{!}} 9
{{!}} experience is suspended
{{!}} The experience has been suspended by Linden Lab customer support.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ERROR]]
{{!}} 10
{{!}} unknown error
{{!}} An unknown error not covered by any of the other predetermined error states.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_QUOTA_EXCEEDED]]
{{!}} 11
{{!}} experience data quota exceeded
{{!}} An attempt to write data to the key-value store failed due to the data quota being met.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_STORE_DISABLED]]
{{!}} 12
{{!}} key-value store is disabled
{{!}} They key-value store is currently disabled on this region.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_STORAGE_EXCEPTION]]
{{!}} 13
{{!}} key-value store communication failed
{{!}} Unable to communicate with the key-value store.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_KEY_NOT_FOUND]]
{{!}} 14
{{!}} key doesn't exist
{{!}} They requested key does not exist.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_RETRY_UPDATE]]
{{!}} 15
{{!}} retry update
{{!}} A checked update failed due to an out of date request.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[XP_ERROR_MATURITY_EXCEEDED]]
{{!}} 16
{{!}} experience content rating too high
{{!}} The content rating of the experience exceeds that of the region.
{{!}}-
{{!}}}

Content Creation/Mesh Import User Group

2013-04-22T12:57:26Z

Qie Niangao:

{{User Group Page
|purpose=
Come discuss any issues around content creation - its challenges, limitations in the tools, workarounds and successes. Land is provided next to the office build for rezzing example content.
Bug reports and feature requests should have JIRA ticket numbers if at all possible, as it makes it easier to collaborate on issues both internally and externally.

Priority will be given to topics that are posted in advance and are relevant to the goals of the office hour. Feel free to include relevant links to JIRA or wiki pages.

 
{{Navbox/Mesh|project}}
|date-time=
Mondays at Noon in Pacific time (SL standard time)

|location=
[http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Borrowdale/79/225/32 Borrowdale on AGNI]

|team=
Nyx Linden, Vir Linden, Prep Linden, and occasional other guest lindens. Please contact one of us if you are unsure if your topic is relevant or appropriate.
|agenda=
 

Please add topics below '''prior to 11:50 AM'''. Also, please put your SL name down so we can follow up if we have questions. Thanks!

Enter agenda items here (with name, please)
# What's the status for the importer issue nulling out z coordinates in meshes when face count is 3 or 4, messing up LOD switching scheme? JIRA SH-2837 is referenced to focus on such issue but it seems unavailable or locked. Here's a description of the issue: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Mesh/LOD-s-switching-sooner-than-expected/td-p/1353749 [[User:Bunnie Mills|Bunnie Mills]] 11:13, 19 April 2013 (PDT)
# This group's sessions transcripts are not available anymore? Clicking on the recent links leads to pages containing the questions only. [[User:Bunnie Mills|Bunnie Mills]] 11:22, 19 April 2013 (PDT)
# Would it be possible to install, at this meeting venue, a chat repeater that sends local chat, via IM, to residents who cannot attend these meetings and wish to read timely transcripts of them? It could operate on a subscription basis, sending the transcript, en masse, at the conclusion of the meetings, to only those residents who explicitly ask for them. [[User:Ivanova Shostakovich|Ivanova Shostakovich]] 11:00, 21 April 2013 (PDT)Ivanova Shostakovich
# How is download bandwidth for ''attached'' mesh limited? Are busy sims (e.g., Fantasy Faire now, SL10B soon) vulnerable to extreme download congestion as many viewers try to load the mesh attachments of each avatar (in addition to the Land Impact-constrained unattached mesh on the sims)? (Question prompted by Monty's [http://community.secondlife.com/secondlife/board/message?board.id=SecondLifeServer&message.id=10244#M10244 post] to a forums thread.) [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie]] 05:57, 22 April 2013 (PDT)
# Enter your topic ABOVE this line! End with 3 or 4 ~ to add your name or name and date

|archive=
{{:Content_Creation,_Mesh_Import_User_Group/Archive}}
}}
[[Category:Mesh]]

LlInstantMessage

2013-02-14T10:32:06Z

Qie Niangao: Temporary note about change to length ceiling, currently in LeTigre RC.

{{LSL_Function
|inject-2={{Issues/SVC-92}}{{LSL_Function/avatar|user}}{{LSL_Function/chat||message}}
|func_id=118|func_sleep=2.0|func_energy=10.0
|func=llInstantMessage
|p1_type=key|p1_name=user|p1_desc
|p2_type=string|p2_name=message|p2_desc
|func_desc=Sends an Instant Message specified in the string {{LSLP|message}} to the user specified by {{LSLP|user}}.
|func_footer=To send a message directly to an object, use [[llRegionSayTo]].
|return_text
|spec
|caveats=
* All object IM's are throttled at a maximum of 2500 per 30mins, per owner, per region in a rolling window. this includes IM's sent after the throttle is in place
** Throttled IM's are dropped. for implementation see [[llInstantMessage#notes|notes]] below
* Messages longer than 1175 bytes will be truncated to 1175 bytes. (Changed to 1024 in 13.02.07.270127) This can convey 1175 ASCII characters, or fewer if non-ASCII characters are present.
*{{LSLP|message}} will appear in the chat window and will not logged by the InstantMessage logging facility. (If a the specified user is not signed it, the messages will be delivered to their email just like a regular instant message, if the user has enabled email for their account.)

|examples=Tell the owner somebody touched the object:
<lsl>
default
{
touch_start( integer total_num )
{
llInstantMessage( llGetOwner(), "Someone touched me" );
}
}</lsl>
Send an IM to a detected avatar only
<lsl>
default
{
touch_start( integer total_num )
{
llInstantMessage( llDetectedKey(0), "Hands Off!");
}
}
</lsl>
|helpers
|also_functions=
{{LSL DefineRow||[[llOwnerSay]]|Sends chat region wide to owner}}
{{LSL DefineRow||[[llRegionSay]]|Sends chat region wide}}
{{LSL DefineRow||[[llRegionSayTo]]|Sends chat region wide to a specific prim/avatar}}
{{LSL DefineRow||[[llWhisper]]|Sends chat limited to 10 meters}}
{{LSL DefineRow||[[llSay]]|Sends chat limited to 20 meters}}
{{LSL DefineRow||[[llShout]]|Sends chat limited to 100 meters}}
|also_tests
|also_articles
|also_events
|notes=
* [[llRegionSayTo]] may be a better choice if the target is in the same region as the object sending the message, as it has no built-in delay and can communicate directly with objects, as well as with avatars and their attachments.
* Instant Messaging allows communication from an object to an avatar anywhere on the Grid. However, an object cannot receive an Instant Message.
* Using [[llInstantMessage]] from one or more child scripts will avoid delays in the main script. Child scripts will still be subject to delays, [[LSL Event Queue|message queue]] limits, and region throttles.
* Throttling Implementation (Kelly Linden):
** The throttle is on all IMs from the object owner. It does not disable all IMs in the region, but does disable all IMs from the owner of the object.
** The throttle is not per object, but per owner. Splitting the spamming object into multiple objects will not help unless owned by different people. This also means that owning multiple almost too spammy objects will cause you to hit the limit.
** 2500 IMs in 30 minutes will trigger the block.
** IMs that are blocked continue to count against the throttle. The IM count must drop below 2500 before any IMs will be delivered.
** The IM count of the previous window is used to approximate the rolling window. If it is 20% into the current window the IM count will be the current count + 80% of the previous count. This allows us to approximate a rolling average, however it has the behavior that a flood of IMs can have an effect on the throttle for double the window length. This is why in practice the throttle behaves more like 5k in 1hr than 2.5k in 30min.

|cat1=Communications
|cat2=Instant Message
|cat3
|cat4
}}

Adult Content User Group

2012-01-11T08:55:48Z

Qie Niangao: Linked to new transcript. Projected next mtg for 2 weeks hence.

{{User Group Page
|purpose= Discuss Issues Concerning Zindra and Adult Content.
|date-time= 1/23/12 Monday 10am - 11am (PDT)
|location= [http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Bronlen/107/224/36 Bronlen]
|team=
|archive=
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/01/09/2012]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/12/19/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/12/05/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/11/21/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/11/14/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/11/07/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/10/24/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/10/10/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/10/03/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/09/26/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/09/19/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/09/12/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/09/06/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/29/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/22/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/15/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/01/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/25/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/18/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/11/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/06/27/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User Group/06/20/2011]]
* [[Adult Content User Group/06/13/2011]]

|agenda=

'''NOTICE: ''' Send proposed agenda items to '''community@lindenlab.com''' for future meetings.



==Destination Guide==
Adult Content Regions are now permissible in the SL Destination Guide. See the [[Destination Guide FAQ]] for information on adding your location to the guide. Or visit the Adult Content [http://secondlife.com/destinations/adult Destination Guide]

==Adult Content Forums==
Join the conversation. Find out about events, Discuss topics or post feedback on the [http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Adult-Content-Forum/ct-p/forums_adultcontent Adult Content Forums].
==Sandbox==
Premium Adult Content sandboxes. There are four adjacent regions making up a large adult content sandbox.
#[http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sandbox%20Bricker/128/128/27 Sandbox Bicker]
#[http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sandbox%20Colborne/128/128/27 Sandbox Colborne]
#[http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sandbox%20Goyer/128/128/27 Sandbox Goyer]
#[http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sandbox%20Peritus/183/142/27 Sandbox Teagano]
There is also a public adult content sandbox at [http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Vortex%20Adult%20Sandbox/128/121/23 Vortex Adult Sandbox].
==Welcome Areas==
Please see the Second Life Destination Guide for [http://secondlife.com/destinations/adult Adult Content]

}}

Adult Content User Group

2012-01-02T11:52:02Z

Qie Niangao:

{{User Group Page
|purpose= Discuss Issues Concerning Zindra and Adult Content.
|date-time= 1/9/12 Monday 10am - 11am (PDT)
|location= [http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Bronlen/107/224/36 Bronlen]
|team=
|archive=
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/12/19/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/12/05/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/11/21/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/11/14/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/11/07/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/10/24/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/10/10/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/10/03/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/09/26/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/09/19/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/09/12/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/09/06/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/29/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/22/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/15/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/01/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/25/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/18/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/11/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/06/27/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User Group/06/20/2011]]
* [[Adult Content User Group/06/13/2011]]

|agenda=

'''NOTICE: ''' Send proposed agenda items to '''community@lindenlab.com''' for future meetings.



==Destination Guide==
Adult Content Regions are now permissible in the SL Destination Guide. See the [[Destination Guide FAQ]] for information on adding your location to the guide. Or visit the Adult Content [http://secondlife.com/destinations/adult Destination Guide]

==Adult Content Forums==
Join the conversation. Find out about events, Discuss topics or post feedback on the [http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Adult-Content-Forum/ct-p/forums_adultcontent Adult Content Forums].
==Sandbox==
Premium Adult Content sandboxes. There are four adjacent regions making up a large adult content sandbox.
#[http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sandbox%20Bricker/128/128/27 Sandbox Bicker]
#[http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Sandbox%20Colborne/128/128/27 Sandbox Colborne]
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There is also a public adult content sandbox at [http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Vortex%20Adult%20Sandbox/128/121/23 Vortex Adult Sandbox].
==Welcome Areas==
Please see the Second Life Destination Guide for [http://secondlife.com/destinations/adult Adult Content]

}}

Adult Content User Group

2011-08-02T11:02:39Z

Qie Niangao:

{{User Group Page
|purpose= Discuss Issues Concerning Zindra and Adult Content.
|date-time= Mondays at 11am SLT
|location= [http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Bronlen/107/224/36 Bronlen]
|team=
|archive=
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/08/01/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/25/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/18/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/07/11/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User_Group/06/27/2011]]
* [[Adult_Content_User Group/06/20/2011]]
* [[Adult Content User Group/06/13/2011]]

|agenda= pending for 8/1/2011 meeting

<table class="lltable" border="1">
<tr>
<th>Topic</th>
<th>Proposed By</th>
<th>Links</th>
<th>Jira Number</th>
<th>Old or New Business</th>
<th>Comments</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Welcome</td>
<td>Welcoming Committee</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>n/a</td>
</tr>
<tr>

<tr>
<td>Podyan / Zindra Quickstart Update</td>
<td>Gina</td>
<td>
WHY USE PODYAN: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-welcome-center-how-to-do-it-right
PODYAN OVERVIEW: http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-quickstart-welcome-center-to-zindra-and-adult-sl
</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>old</td>
<td>comments</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Can we move on</td>
<td>Huntress</td>
<td>
http://huntressden.blogspot.com/2011/07/thoughts-on-how-zindra-group-planning.html
</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>new</td>
<td>At the risk of upseting many....</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Can we have a formal meeting structure?</td>
<td>LatexgirlLara Boyle</td>
<td>
</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>new</td>
<td>I would like to formally propose that we adopt a standard business meeting strucure and furthermore propose Ginette Pinazzo as chairperson</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Zindra Help Vortex Fixes</td>
<td>BBQBill, Hypatia, Huntress, Gina and ZHV staff</td>
<td>
https://sites.google.com/site/zindrahelpvortex/home/
</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>old</td>
<td>about group/land situiation</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>No promotion of non-Adult locations</td>
<td>Qie</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>new</td>
<td>Whether or not an event is Zindra-only, all ACUG-sanctioned events must permit links (SLURLs, Landmarks, etc) only to other Adult locations. This is necessitated by the old and ongoing problem of merchants and venues skirting the ratings policy, harming Zindra and other honest Adult-sited businesses. Businesses with non-Adult content may be welcomed to such events, but may not distribute any links to non-Adult-rated locations.</td>
</tr>

</table>

}}

User:Qie Niangao/ACUG Transcript 2011-07-07

2011-07-20T15:26:56Z

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==Attendees List==
<div style='padding: 0.5em'>
*[http://my.secondlife.com/argus.collingwood Argus Collingwood (argus.collingwood)]{{#ifexist: User:Argus Collingwood| ''[[User:Argus Collingwood|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/bee.baroque bee Baroque (bee.baroque)]{{#ifexist: User:bee Baroque| ''[[User:bee Baroque|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/c0lm4r.carter グラウ2022ハック (c0lm4r.carter)]{{#ifexist: User:グラウ2022ハック| ''[[User:グラウ2022ハック|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/capslock8 capslock8 (capslock8)]{{#ifexist: User:capslock8| ''[[User:capslock8|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/daniel.voyager Daniel Voyager (daniel.voyager)]{{#ifexist: User:Daniel Voyager| ''[[User:Daniel Voyager|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/eddi.decosta Eddi (eddi.decosta)]{{#ifexist: User:Eddi| ''[[User:Eddi|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/laurent.bechir A (laurent.bechir)]{{#ifexist: User:A| ''[[User:A|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/lexie.linden Lexie (lexie.linden)]{{#ifexist: User:Lexie| ''[[User:Lexie|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/liisa.runo Liisa Runo (liisa.runo)]{{#ifexist: User:Liisa Runo| ''[[User:Liisa Runo|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/lisa.fossett Lisa Fossett (lisa.fossett)]{{#ifexist: User:Lisa Fossett| ''[[User:Lisa Fossett|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/peewee.musytari Peewee Musytari (peewee.musytari)]{{#ifexist: User:Peewee Musytari| ''[[User:Peewee Musytari|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/qie.niangao Qie (qie.niangao)]{{#ifexist: User:Qie| ''[[User:Qie|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/rand.linden Rand (rand.linden)]{{#ifexist: User:Rand| ''[[User:Rand|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
*[http://my.secondlife.com/torben.trautman Torben (torben.trautman)]{{#ifexist: User:Torben| ''[[User:Torben|(User's Wiki Page)]]''|}}
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==Transcript for Thursday July 7, 2011==
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{| cellspacing="2px" border=0 style="color: #434849;"
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_0|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hihi Qie
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_1|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|why is this sit like I am taking a snapshot
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_2|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Hiya Argus... everybody.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_3|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hi qie, rand \o
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_4|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|thats better
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_5|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group Add your topics please!
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_6|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|because you are, peewee
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_7|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#torben.trautman|Torben]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hi Quie
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_8|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#torben.trautman|Torben]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hi Rand
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_9|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hihi Rand
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_10|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I Need to be afk just a moment
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_11|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|brb
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_12|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|kk
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_13|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ok
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_14|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hb we might start a sensible convo
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_15|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#rand.linden|Rand]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|howdy
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_16|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Bee, I'm loving your outfit
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_17|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hey hey Rand
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_18|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|oh, thanks lisa!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_19|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|nice spin, eddie
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_20|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|with the skin it's hard to tell where it begins and ends....and I find that very cool
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_21|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|*eddi
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_22|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lisa hasn`t all rezzed for me yet
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_23|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_24|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|didn`t u have a parasol just now?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_25|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Eddi poke rand, sorry :)
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_26|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|bee stole it I bet
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_27|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I detached it because it wasn't working with the sit
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_28|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|bee Baroque glares at peewee
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_29|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hug lexie :) xxxxxx
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_30|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hi all :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_31|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|go play with qie, peewee. you can talk oil
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_32|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|..
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_33|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Qie squeaks
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_34|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|back
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_35|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|sorry about that
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_36|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Argus Collingwood hand Qie oilcan
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_37|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#torben.trautman|Torben]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|welcome back
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_38|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|wb lexie
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_39|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|oilcan
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_40|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|thanks
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_41|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_42|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Tools_User_Group Add topics here if you have any please!
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_43|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ok, lets get started ㋡
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_44|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Updates...we are a bit lean in that area today
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_45|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Answers:
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_46|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|We are still looking at the bug for image upload. No news yet
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_47|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|oops
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_48|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Also..
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_49|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|The hover text on the new smilies is not added yet, but should be soon
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_50|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|awesome
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_51|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Answers: ......? lol you changed the subject there
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_52|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Currently we are still working on a design to make Answers more "forum like"n
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_53|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_54|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Well yes I did, sorry lol
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_55|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|the news is good then
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_56|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_57|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Hopefully by next meeting we will have some changes to the Answers format
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_58|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Thats the goal
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_59|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|is thats 2 weeks?
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_60|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yes in 2 weeks Peewee
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_61|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|woots!!
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_62|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ty
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_63|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|㋡
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_64|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|\o/
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_65|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|take my place Rand :)
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_66|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|No updates on forums that I know of yet
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_67|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Rand, any KB updates?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_68|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|did the thing with fashoin get sorted?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_69|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|on the forums
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_70|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Not yet Peewee
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_71|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#rand.linden|Rand]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|eddi thx no worries
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_72|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|forums seem to have been doing pretty well since you rearranged the groups
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_73|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Rand any updates?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_74|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|not seen so many threads moved
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_75|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(agreed Peewee)
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_76|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#rand.linden|Rand]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|not muchy to report this wek
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_77|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ok
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_78|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#rand.linden|Rand]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|he...much
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_79|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Hi Daniel
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_80|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hihi Daniel
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_81|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|There is an item on the agenda I did not cover in updates
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_82|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|The feedback forum link location
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_83|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I do see some feedback happening in there. And much less off topic stuff.
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_84|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#daniel.voyager|Daniel Voyager]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Hey
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_85|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I think it is ok as is. Or do you all still think it needs to be more visible
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_86|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hard to know if its cos there is less feedback or if people can`t find it
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_87|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hmmm
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_88|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|there was a thread started in GD about PM spam which normally would have gone in feedback
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_89|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|good point
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_90|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|but maybe she would have posted it in GD anyway
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_91|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Id like to wait and see if the views on that forum are holding reasonably steady. If it has a huge drop, maybe we can link it in other places too
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_92|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Lets give it a couple more weeks ok?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_93|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|sounds good
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_94|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|after that we`ll need it for feedback on the answers fix hehe
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_95|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#rand.linden|Rand]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Oh, there is one small thing: we just reorked he Commujnity resourcs Portal on the wiki: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Community_Resources_Portal ... comments welcome
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_96|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#rand.linden|Rand]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|*reworked
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_97|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Yes! Its much better now I think!
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_98|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Easir to read and find good info
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_99|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|easier*
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_100|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Nice work getting that in there Rand
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_101|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#rand.linden|Rand]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ty!
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_102|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol... queue up that page for reworking again, once G+ is open to the public. ;)
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_103|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Liisa, you had a question?
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_104|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|UG meeting for the service? Explain a bit more please?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_105|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#liisa.runo|Liisa Runo]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|the same stuff we talked with Jack Linden about
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_106|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|ok, so Land UG
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_107|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Jack used to own Support and Land... so those both probably need some UG attention.
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_108|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(and, at one point, Governance, but that's... a whole different can of worms for a UG)
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_109|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I do not think support is planning a UG at this time
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_110|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#liisa.runo|Liisa Runo]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|secondlife has many levels of service. land is not the only thing we get from LL that is not covered in otehr UG's
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_111|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I can find out about Land
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_112|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|If you would add your suggestions on the agenda I will follow up
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_113|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|there isn`t a marketplace one either..though would need a brave linden for that
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_114|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#liisa.runo|Liisa Runo]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|so for example if we want to cry about the new way of dealing tickets and AR's we could go there
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_115|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|yes... Land is very conspicuous in its absence, being LL's #1 source of revenue (by far)
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_116|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Argus Collingwood nods to Qie
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_117|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I can pass on that you are rquesting more user groups
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_118|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#liisa.runo|Liisa Runo]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|thanks
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_119|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|thanks Lexie
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_120|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|PeeWee the Merchant stuff is run by Brooke
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_121|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|sure
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_122|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|salut Laurent :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_123|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|there is a Merchant commerce group
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_124|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#laurent.bechir|A]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|bonjour :)
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_125|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|So, we covered the agenda. Any other Forums, blogs, Answers or KB topics you want to discuss?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_126|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|pm spam?
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_127|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Argus, that should be resolved. I know a bunch of people got that
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_128|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Dorah the pm spammer
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_129|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Best thing to do when that happens is send a message to Katy Moderator
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_130|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|kk
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_131|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|on the UG list Argus?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_132|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lemme check Peewee
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_133|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|What else is on your minds about the community platform?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_134|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|do i remember incorrectly or did we have a report button on pms in the old forum?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_135|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|PMs
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_136|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Good question.. I "think" we did
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_137|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|don`t recall...don`t think anyone ever wrote to me lol
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_138|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Lexie, I know it's Governance or Resi or whatever, but I am frequently getting reports (as a mentor) ARs are not being handled.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_139|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|i think so too, cause i did get pm spam there. similar to this dorah, and i reported it with the click of a link
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_140|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|And I've seen the same myself
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_141|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|These are not questionable situations. And nothing happens. People are quite concerned (therefore they come to me as if I know more)
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_142|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Lisa: I dont have an answer to that. I think sometimes ARs are handled but you do not see the results, since they are taken care of privately
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_143|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I wonder.... Is there any thought of integrating the Community Platform more effectively with the new user experience, in-world? As in, maybe, interactive kiosks of the KB, Answers, etc., infoHubs, etc.?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_144|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I know that, but I have plenty of visible cases that have not been handled.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_145|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|oh Lexie, about that what wrong with some Scout, in support service?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_146|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|(sorry, "... *in* InfoHubs, etc."
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_147|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Qie, good thought. Yes, we are considering more ways to integrate everything. Nothing solid yet though
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_148|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|not a report button on pm spam
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_149|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Eddi? Explain please?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_150|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|honestly the support service, in live chat or phone for french resident is VERY poor , i qualify that like a pure crap.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_151|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I think a lot of the folks here and in the Answers forum would be very eager to try to help with any new initiatives to improve new user experience... so... you can get volunteers quickly, if resident participation will help.
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_152|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Thats awesome Qie! You know I love volunteers ㋡
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_153|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_154|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_155|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Lexie, some responsvie of the support do some treat of abuse staff note, and close the phone line on nose without respect ...
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_156|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Eddi and Lisa: I don't have the answers to the support issues you are mentioning. I know language issues can be difficult though.
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_157|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I can pass on your feedback.
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_158|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|nods...hoped you could at least put a bug in someone's ear.
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_159|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Will do
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_160|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|㋡
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_161|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_162|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#torben.trautman|Torben]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_163|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Lexie, yeah but i prefrs the old resi team for sure, the new teamdo the jub just like the bull** to pass at an other thing
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_164|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|do u know if there is a support email address?...people keep getting replies from support@secondlife.com saying they won`t be read or dealt with
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_165|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#c0lm4r.carter|グラウ2022ハック]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|see u later
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_166|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|You need to look on the Support portal for the best contact info Peewee
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_167|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Lexie, sorry my language, but its frustrating for some resident if it paid 125$ usd for a service deficiant like that :)
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_168|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|there is no email that I can find
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_169|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I understand Eddi. Im sorry if there are issues for some in other languages :(
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_170|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|QA service after sale is not very here :/
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_171|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#liisa.runo|Liisa Runo]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|that is the support e-mail i send mail there when every other ways of contacting LL for support has failed. And so far lindens who have replied to my mail's there have managed to help me. (if i give them 2 months time to help me and keep reminding them about my case once a week)
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_172|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|*reports being moslested at meeting*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_173|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_174|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|bee Baroque whisltes
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_175|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|giggles
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_176|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#bee.baroque|bee Baroque]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|bee Baroque corrects bad spelling
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_177|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I know you all have support type questions. Unfortunately, I am not in support so I cannot speak to those issues.
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_178|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#liisa.runo|Liisa Runo]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|so, give us the support UG ;)
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_179|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|hehe
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_180|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I can pass on that you are asking for a UG but I dont think that one is planned at this time
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_181|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|its a shame they don`t want to talk to us...we could say WTG!! for getting rid of age verification and cutting the questions posted by half...but they didn`t even blog about that
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_182|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|@lexie, ok but can you refers my said at a Manager of support staff , consider that like a complaint againts some Scout employee
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_183|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#liisa.runo|Liisa Runo]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|just group it with the "service" UG
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_184|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|I have a question for you
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_185|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|uh oh..we didn`t study
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_186|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Eddi caugh , its not like the mentor AO ..
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_187|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Now that time has passed, do you feel more comfortable on the community platform?
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_188|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#capslock8|capslock8]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|mais o gue esta acontesendo
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_189|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|lol peewee
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_190|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lisa.fossett|Lisa Fossett]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|as a casual user, I do
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_191|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|if we say yes are u gonna change it again? lol
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_192|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|:p
|-style="background-color: #FFFDC6;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_193|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|dont temp me!
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_194|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|tempt*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_195|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#eddi.decosta|Eddi]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Lexie, yeah sorry its just an comment for that new support service, after i,m ok :)
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_196|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#argus.collingwood|Argus Collingwood]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|it;s ok getting used to it but the desire to really post is less than tweeting lol
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_197|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#qie.niangao|Qie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Honestly, I never had that big a problem with this generation. I 'bout lost my wits with Jive, but this hasn't been that bad. Not that the improvements haven't been good to see.
|-style="background-color: #C7C4D4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_198|[13:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#liisa.runo|Liisa Runo]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Liisa Runo has been quite happe with the current platform. Only hate to see the silly liisa.runo style names all over. Why not display the names properly?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_199|[13:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#peewee.musytari|Peewee Musytari]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|comfort comes with getting used to it, so yes ...not sure thats true for people unfamilar with it
|-style="background-color: #EFE3B3;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; vertical-align: top;"|[[#msg_200|[13:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|[[#lexie.linden|Lexie]]
|width=100% style="padding:0 6px;"|Good point, new user perspective might be different
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User:Qie Niangao/Zindra and Adult Content

2011-06-27T11:50:57Z

Qie Niangao:

== Grounding Assumptions ==

# Linden Lab and adult content providers have common cause in the success of adult ventures in Second Life.
# Direct community support by Linden Lab has proven neither necessary nor sufficient to insure success of adult ventures in SL.
# In the past and ongoing, specific policy misjudgments and technical faults have hurt in-world adult ventures and, by extension, LL itself. Adult Content User Group meetings have been useful in communicating the consequences of these mistakes / bugs for repair.
# Zindra is a themed Mainland continent with a uniform Adult maturity rating. It has abundant LDPW infrastructure and (increasingly) diverse use by landowners not limited to adult ventures nor necessarily "adult" content.
# Although there is some overlap of the interests of Zindra residents with those of adult ventures, not all of Zindra is about adult content, and only a small minority of adult ventures are on Zindra.
# The Zindra sim spans from the 2-sim infohub at Gilda/Oritz to the infrastructure-intensive "Kama City" sims. Thus, by name and location, the Zindra sim is uniquely positioned to be a showcase and gateway for the whole Zindra continent.
# The ZEXPO group has a contentious past that's unproductive to consider at this point. The name is confusing because it refers to a group, an event, and a cluster of sims where that event took place (and may again). At this point, we're charged with addressing management of the group only (to the limited extent that it can be considered separately from other "ZEXPO" matters).

== Scope and Context ==

Although the immediate objective is to make sense of the Zindra sim and the ZEXPO group, it's important to understand the larger context of Lab investment in Zindra-hosted, adult content-related land and groups.

Ginette's labels for these assets / initiatives are shown at https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-expo-group-overview-plan , corresponding to seven sims. (These seven in addition to extensive Linden infrastructure on the Zindra continent, including at least five 1- or 2-sim infohubs at Arapaima, Gilda/Oritz, Nelsonia, Ungren, and Vilania.)

* Four of these seven sims are the "ZEXPO Island" sims (Distrel, Girenzi, Jaraded, Tramoyn).
* One is a public sandbox, "Zindra Vortex", located north of Arapaima. This sim also includes some permanent content and seems to offer mentoring and has hosted a build-contest event(s?). It does have some traffic (some of which is non-landowners building and boxing Adult content for Marketplace sale).
* One is a proposed Mature-to-Adult instructional gateway (Podyan, or "Zindra Quickstart").
* One is the Zindra sim itself ("Zindra Promenade").

Other than the Zindra sim (presumably), these target Adult Content broader than just that on the Zindra mainland continent. (It's even arguable that they ''detract'' from businesses and events on the continent itself, but if the Lab is to promote broader Adult Content in SL, it's reasonable to use Mainland sims to do it).

Although the ZEXPO group is open enrollment, the Zindra Vortex group (also originally founded and owned by Blondin) is not.

== Submission ==

'''Sunk cost is irrelevant to business planning.''' It profoundly ''does not matter'' how much effort has gone into reaching some situation; it ''only matters'' that the current situation supports options with better or worse outcomes.

The current ZEXPO event for which preparations are underway should be allowed to run to completion. Presumably there is relatively little additional effort that must be invested in order to reap whatever benefits it will realize. There's probably not time nor resources to really assess whether those benefits are worth the remaining investments.

The event is really not specific to Zindra (other than being hosted in a corner of the continent), and is more about adult content in general (as well as other, non-adult content). As such, the "Z" in ZEXPO really isn't much about Zindra, and so the event should be renamed in future. The group, then, should be replaced by something corresponding to the new event name, and scoped only to the event.

'''Going forward, Linden Lab needs to decide if the most cost-effective way* for it to support a semi-annual four-sim adult content expo is by hosting it on dedicated Mainland sims, or to offer temporary standalone event sims.''' (There are costs either way.)

'''Matters pertaining to adult ventures should be addressed separately from matters specific to the Zindra mainland continent.''' Ideally, the latter would be migrated to a new user group concerned with Mainland (including LDPW) or Land topics in general. Confounding these topics in a single user group has not been productive.

'''A gateway sim such as Podyan, providing hands-on instruction in gaining access to Adult content, is in the interest of all adult ventures (and LL).''' As such, it should not be called "Zindra"-something, and its design and operation should take into account adult ventures outside Zindra, and be naturally, seamlessly integrated with the New User Experience for those opting for adult content.

'''Zindra Vortex is not limited to Zindra''' (same as ZEXPO and the Podyan gateway); it just happens to be hosted on an island a few sims from the continent. It probably should be replaced by a group with a different name; renaming a group is very tricky, especially if it has in-world assets. A more substantive question, however, is the group's management, which is very different from other sandboxes and help islands in that residents play a direct role in operations. This may be a great model for other sandboxes (or not) but it would seem to need some official sanction, in the absence of the original group owner.

'''Plans for the Zindra sim should reflect its role as central to the overall Zindra continent, not ''other'' adult ventures, and not adult ventures ''only''.''' Features and events on the sim should be for the enjoyment of Zindra residents and their guests, enhancing the Zindra experience. This is in contrast to trying to use it as a mechanism for solving specific business issues of adult ventures -- disputes over which have proven disruptive to forming any semblance of a Zindra community, and such an objective is ultimately futile anyway. (Incidentally, some problems with details of builds on the sim need to be addressed if they are to be retained.)

----
'''*''' Although not demanding immediate decision, another question is whether LL should continue supporting such an adult content expo at all, guided to some extent by the community's sentiment. Although it's tempting to see four free sims and an adult event as necessarily beneficial, there's reason to be skeptical of their value to adult content ventures in general and ''especially'' to Zindra-based ventures. A business case for an expo event would have to trade off the value attributable to the event against the costs, including: '''opportunity costs:''' Merchant time and attention is expended on the expo that could have achieved value if directed elsewhere. Just as one example, how many Zindra-wide or all-adult hunts could be organized for the time and effort expended on an expo? and which would produce more value?; '''brand dilution:''' Relatively small share of expo ventures are Zindra-based (indeed, many are otherwise Marketplace-only). Even without the "Zindra" nomenclature, the event is not exclusively adult, so merchants' own brands appear alongside hotels, etc.; and probably the most important, '''customer diversion:''' During the expo, adult commerce not associated with the expo suffers; it is not a realistic option to "just ignore" the expo and still do normal adult business while it's ongoing.

User:Qie Niangao/Zindra and Adult Content

2011-06-27T11:47:37Z

Qie Niangao:

== Grounding Assumptions ==

# Linden Lab and adult content providers have common cause in the success of adult ventures in Second Life.
# Direct community support by Linden Lab has proven neither necessary nor sufficient to insure success of adult ventures in SL.
# In the past and ongoing, specific policy misjudgments and technical faults have hurt in-world adult ventures and, by extension, LL itself. Adult Content User Group meetings have been useful in communicating the consequences of these mistakes / bugs for repair.
# Zindra is a themed Mainland continent with a uniform Adult maturity rating. It has abundant LDPW infrastructure and (increasingly) diverse use by landowners not limited to adult ventures nor necessarily "adult" content.
# Although there is some overlap of the interests of Zindra residents with those of adult ventures, not all of Zindra is about adult content, and only a small minority of adult ventures are on Zindra.
# The Zindra sim spans from the 2-sim infohub at Gilda/Oritz to the infrastructure-intensive "Kama City" sims. Thus, by name and location, the Zindra sim is uniquely positioned to be a showcase and gateway for the whole Zindra continent.
# The ZEXPO group has a contentious past that's unproductive to consider at this point. The name is confusing because it refers to a group, an event, and a cluster of sims where that event took place (and may again). At this point, we're charged with addressing management of the group only (to the limited extent that it can be considered separately from other "ZEXPO" matters).

== Scope and Context ==

Although the immediate objective is to make sense of the Zindra sim and the ZEXPO group, it's important to understand the larger context of Lab investment in Zindra-hosted, adult content-related land and groups.

Ginette's labels for these assets / initiatives are shown at https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-expo-group-overview-plan , corresponding to seven sims. (These seven in addition to extensive Linden infrastructure on the Zindra continent, including at least five 1- or 2-sim infohubs at Arapaima, Gilda/Oritz, Nelsonia, Ungren, and Vilania.)

* Four of these seven sims are the "ZEXPO Island" sims (Distrel, Girenzi, Jaraded, Tramoyn).
* One is a public sandbox, "Zindra Vortex", located north of Arapaima. This sim also includes some permanent content and seems to offer mentoring and has hosted a build-contest event(s?). It does have some traffic (some of which is non-landowners building and boxing Adult content for Marketplace sale).
* One is a proposed Mature-to-Adult instructional gateway (Podyan, or "Zindra Quickstart").
* One is the Zindra sim itself ("Zindra Promenade").

Other than the Zindra sim (presumably), these target Adult Content broader than just that on the Zindra mainland continent. (It's even arguable that they ''detract'' from businesses and events on the continent itself, but if the Lab is to promote broader Adult Content in SL, it's reasonable to use Mainland sims to do it).

Although the ZEXPO group is open enrollment, the Zindra Vortex group (also originally founded and owned by Blondin) is not.

== Submission ==

'''Sunk cost is irrelevant to business planning.''' It profoundly ''does not matter'' how much effort has gone into reaching some situation; it ''only matters'' that the current situation supports options with better or worse outcomes.

The current ZEXPO event for which preparations are underway should be allowed to run to completion. Presumably there is relatively little additional effort that must be invested in order to reap whatever benefits it will realize. There's probably not time nor resources to really assess whether those benefits are worth the remaining investments.

The event is really not specific to Zindra (other than being hosted in a corner of the continent), and is more about adult content in general (as well as other, non-adult content). As such, the "Z" in ZEXPO really isn't much about Zindra, and so the event should be renamed in future. The group, then, should be replaced by something corresponding to the new event name, and scoped only to the event.

'''Going forward, Linden Lab needs to decide if the most cost-effective way* for it to support a semi-annual four-sim adult content expo is by hosting it on dedicated Mainland sims, or to offer temporary standalone event sims.''' (There are costs either way.)

'''Matters pertaining to adult ventures should be addressed separately from matters specific to the Zindra mainland continent.''' Ideally, the latter would be migrated to a new user group concerned with Mainland (including LDPW) or Land topics in general. Confounding these topics in a single user group has not been productive.

'''A gateway sim such as Podyan, providing hands-on instruction in gaining access to Adult content, is in the interest of all adult ventures (and LL).''' As such, it should not be called "Zindra"-something, and its design and operation should take into account adult ventures outside Zindra, and be naturally, seamlessly integrated with the New User Experience for those opting for adult content.

'''Zindra Vortex is not limited to Zindra''' (same as ZEXPO and the Podyan gateway); it just happens to be hosted on an island a few sims from the continent. It probably should be replaced by a group with a different name; renaming a group is very tricky, especially if it has in-world assets. A more substantive question, however, is the group's management, which is very different from other sandboxes and help islands in that residents play a direct role in operations. This may be a great model for other sandboxes (or not) but it would seem to need some official sanction, in the absence of the original group owner.

'''Plans for the Zindra sim should reflect its role as central to the overall Zindra continent, not ''other'' adult ventures, and not adult ventures ''only''.''' Features and events on the sim should be for the enjoyment of Zindra residents and their guests, enhancing the Zindra experience. This is in contrast to trying to use it as a mechanism for solving specific business issues of adult ventures -- disputes over which have proven disruptive to forming any semblance of a Zindra community, and such an objective is ultimately futile anyway. (Incidentally, some problems with details of builds on the sim need to be addressed if they are to be retained.)

----
'''*''' Another decision is whether LL should continue supporting such an adult content expo at all, guided to some extent by the community's sentiment. Although it's tempting to see four free sims and an adult event as necessarily beneficial, there's reason to be skeptical of their value to adult content ventures in general and ''especially'' to Zindra-based ventures. A business case for an expo event would have to trade off the value attributable to the event against the costs, including: '''opportunity costs:''' Merchant time and attention is expended on the expo that could have achieved value if directed elsewhere. Just as one example, how many Zindra-wide or all-adult hunts could be organized for the time and effort expended on an expo? and which would produce more value?; '''brand dilution:''' Relatively small share of expo ventures are Zindra-based (indeed, many are otherwise Marketplace-only). Even without the "Zindra" nomenclature, the event is not exclusively adult, so merchants' own brands appear alongside hotels, etc.; and probably the most important, '''customer diversion:''' During the expo, adult commerce not associated with the expo suffers; it is not a realistic option to "just ignore" the expo and still do normal adult business while it's ongoing.

User:Qie Niangao/Zindra and Adult Content

2011-06-25T13:40:25Z

Qie Niangao:

== Grounding Assumptions ==

# Linden Lab and adult content providers have common cause in the success of adult ventures in Second Life.
# Direct community support by Linden Lab has proven neither necessary nor sufficient to insure success of adult ventures in SL.
# In the past and ongoing, specific policy misjudgments and technical faults have hurt in-world adult ventures and, by extension, LL itself. Adult Content User Group meetings have been useful in communicating the consequences of these mistakes / bugs for repair.
# Zindra is a themed Mainland continent with a uniform Adult maturity rating. It has abundant LDPW infrastructure and (increasingly) diverse use by landowners not limited to adult ventures nor necessarily "adult" content.
# Although there is some overlap of the interests of Zindra residents with those of adult ventures, not all of Zindra is about adult content, and only a small minority of adult ventures are on Zindra.
# The Zindra sim spans from the 2-sim infohub at Gilda/Oritz to the infrastructure-intensive "Kama City" sims. Thus, by name and location, the Zindra sim is uniquely positioned to be a showcase and gateway for the whole Zindra continent.
# The ZEXPO group has a contentious past that's unproductive to consider at this point. The name is confusing because it refers to a group, an event, and a cluster of sims where that event took place (and may again). At this point, we're charged with addressing management of the group only (to the limited extent that it can be considered separately from other "ZEXPO" matters).

== Scope and Context ==

Although the immediate objective is to make sense of the Zindra sim and the ZEXPO group, it's important to understand the larger context of Lab investment in Zindra-hosted, adult content-related land and groups.

Ginette's labels for these assets / initiatives are shown at https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-expo-group-overview-plan , corresponding to seven sims. (These seven in addition to extensive Linden infrastructure on the Zindra continent, including at least five 1- or 2-sim infohubs at Arapaima, Gilda/Oritz, Nelsonia, Ungren, and Vilania.)

* Four of these seven sims are the "ZEXPO Island" sims (Distrel, Girenzi, Jaraded, Tramoyn).
* One is a public sandbox, "Zindra Vortex", located north of Arapaima. This sim also includes some permanent content and seems to offer mentoring and has hosted a build-contest event(s?). It does have some traffic (some of which is non-landowners building and boxing Adult content for Marketplace sale).
* One is a proposed Mature-to-Adult instructional gateway (Podyan, or "Zindra Quickstart").
* One is the Zindra sim itself ("Zindra Promenade").

Other than the Zindra sim (presumably), these target Adult Content broader than just that on the Zindra mainland continent. (It's even arguable that they ''detract'' from businesses and events on the continent itself, but if the Lab is to promote broader Adult Content in SL, it's reasonable to use Mainland sims to do it).

Although the ZEXPO group is open enrollment, the Zindra Vortex group (also originally founded and owned by Blondin) is not.

== Submission ==

'''Sunk cost is irrelevant to business planning.''' It profoundly ''does not matter'' how much effort has gone into reaching some situation; it ''only matters'' that the current situation supports options with better or worse outcomes.

The current ZEXPO event for which preparations are underway should be allowed to run to completion. Presumably there is relatively little additional effort that must be invested in order to reap whatever benefits it will realize. There's probably not time nor resources to really assess whether those benefits are worth the remaining investments.

The event is really not specific to Zindra (other than being hosted in a corner of the continent), and is more about adult content in general (as well as other, non-adult content). As such, the "Z" in ZEXPO really isn't much about Zindra, and so the event should be renamed in future. The group, then, should be replaced by something corresponding to the new event name, and scoped only to the event.

'''Going forward, Linden Lab needs to decide if the most cost-effective way for it to support a semi-annual four-sim adult content expo is by hosting it on dedicated Mainland sims, or to offer temporary standalone event sims.''' (There are costs either way.)

'''Matters pertaining to adult ventures should be addressed separately from matters specific to the Zindra mainland continent.''' Ideally, the latter would be migrated to a new user group concerned with Mainland (including LDPW) or Land topics in general. Confounding these topics in a single user group has not been productive.

'''A gateway sim such as Podyan, providing hands-on instruction in gaining access to Adult content, is in the interest of all adult ventures (and LL).''' As such, it should not be called "Zindra"-something, and its design and operation should take into account adult ventures outside Zindra, and be naturally, seamlessly integrated with the New User Experience for those opting for adult content.

'''Zindra Vortex is not limited to Zindra''' (same as ZEXPO and the Podyan gateway); it just happens to be hosted on an island a few sims from the continent. It probably should be replaced by a group with a different name; renaming a group is very tricky, especially if it has in-world assets. A more substantive question, however, is the group's management, which is very different from other sandboxes and help islands in that residents play a direct role in operations. This may be a great model for other sandboxes (or not) but it would seem to need some official sanction, in the absence of the original group owner.

'''Plans for the Zindra sim should reflect its role as central to the overall Zindra continent, not ''other'' adult ventures, and not adult ventures ''only''.''' Features and events on the sim should be for the enjoyment of Zindra residents and their guests, enhancing the Zindra experience. This is in contrast to trying to use it as a mechanism for solving specific business issues of adult ventures -- disputes over which have proven disruptive to forming any semblance of a Zindra community, and such an objective is ultimately futile anyway. (Incidentally, some problems with details of builds on the sim need to be addressed if they are to be retained.)

User:Qie Niangao/Zindra and Adult Content

2011-06-25T13:36:55Z

Qie Niangao:

== Grounding Assumptions ==

# Linden Lab and adult content providers have common cause in the success of adult ventures in Second Life.
# Direct community support by Linden Lab has proven neither necessary nor sufficient to insure success of adult ventures in SL.
# In the past and ongoing, specific policy misjudgments and technical faults have hurt in-world adult ventures and, by extension, LL itself. Adult Content User Group meetings have been useful in communicating the consequences of these mistakes / bugs for repair.
# Zindra is a themed Mainland continent with a uniform Adult maturity rating. It has abundant LDPW infrastructure and (increasingly) diverse use by landowners not limited to adult ventures nor necessarily "adult" content.
# Although there is some overlap of the interests of Zindra residents with those of adult ventures, not all of Zindra is about adult content, and only a small minority of adult ventures are on Zindra.
# The Zindra sim spans from the 2-sim infohub at Gilda/Oritz to the infrastructure-intensive "Kama City" sims. Thus, by name and location, the Zindra sim is uniquely positioned to be a showcase and gateway for the whole Zindra continent.
# The ZEXPO group has a contentious past that's unproductive to consider at this point. The name is confusing because it refers to a group, an event, and a cluster of sims where that event took place (and may again). At this point, we're charged with addressing management of the group only (to the limited extent that it can be considered separately from other "ZEXPO" matters).

== Scope and Context ==

Although the immediate objective is to make sense of the Zindra sim and the ZEXPO group, it's important to understand the larger context of Lab investment in Zindra-hosted, adult content-related land and groups.

Ginette's labels for these assets / initiatives are shown at https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-expo-group-overview-plan , corresponding to seven sims. (These seven in addition to extensive Linden infrastructure on the Zindra continent, including at least five 1- or 2-sim infohubs at Arapaima, Gilda/Oritz, Nelsonia, Ungren, and Vilania.)

* Four of these seven sims are the "ZEXPO Island" sims (Distrel, Girenzi, Jaraded, Tramoyn).
* One is a public sandbox, "Zindra Vortex", located north of Arapaima. This sim also includes some permanent content and seems to offer mentoring and has hosted a build-contest event(s?). It does have some traffic (some of which is non-landowners building and boxing Adult content for Marketplace sale).
* One is a proposed Mature-to-Adult instructional gateway (Podyan, or "Zindra Quickstart").
* One is the Zindra sim itself ("Zindra Promenade").

Other than the Zindra sim (presumably), these target Adult Content broader than just that on the Zindra mainland continent. (It's even arguable that they ''detract'' from businesses and events on the continent itself, but if the Lab is to promote broader Adult Content in SL, it's reasonable to use Mainland sims to do it).

Although the ZEXPO group is open enrollment, the Zindra Vortex group (also originally founded and owned by Blondin) is not.

== Submission ==

'''Sunk cost is irrelevant to planning.''' It profoundly ''does not matter'' how much effort has gone into reaching some situation; it ''only matters'' that the current situation supports options with better or worse outcomes.

The current ZEXPO event for which preparations are underway should be allowed to run to completion. Presumably there is relatively little additional effort that must be invested in order to reap whatever benefits it will realize. There's probably not time nor resources to really assess whether those benefits are worth the remaining investments.

The event is really not specific to Zindra (other than being hosted in a corner of the continent), and is more about adult content in general (as well as other, non-adult content). As such, the "Z" in ZEXPO really isn't much about Zindra, and so the event should be renamed in future. The group, then, should be replaced by something corresponding to the new event name, and scoped only to the event.

'''Going forward, Linden Lab needs to decide if the most cost-effective way for it to support a semi-annual four-sim adult content expo is by hosting it on dedicated Mainland sims, or to offer temporary standalone event sims.''' (There are costs either way.)

'''Matters pertaining to adult ventures should be addressed separately from matters specific to the Zindra mainland continent.''' Ideally, the latter would be migrated to a new user group concerned with Mainland (including LDPW) or Land topics in general. Confounding these topics in a single user group has not been productive.

'''A gateway sim such as Podyan, providing hands-on instruction in gaining access to Adult content, is in the interest of all adult ventures (and LL).''' As such, it should not be called "Zindra"-something, and its design and operation should take into account adult ventures outside Zindra, and be naturally, seamlessly integrated with the New User Experience for those opting for adult content.

'''Zindra Vortex is not limited to Zindra''' (same as ZEXPO and the Podyan gateway); it just happens to be hosted on an island a few sims from the continent. It probably should be replaced by a group with a different name; renaming a group is very tricky, especially if it has in-world assets. A more substantive question, however, is the group's management, which is very different from other sandboxes and help islands in that residents play a direct role in operations. This may be a great model for other sandboxes (or not) but it would seem to need some official sanction, in the absence of the original group owner.

'''Plans for the Zindra sim should reflect its role as central to the overall Zindra continent, not ''other'' adult ventures, and not adult ventures ''only''.''' Features and events on the sim should be for the enjoyment of Zindra residents and their guests, enhancing the Zindra experience. This is in contrast to trying to use it as a mechanism for solving specific business issues of adult ventures -- disputes over which have proven disruptive to forming any semblance of a Zindra community, and such an objective is ultimately futile anyway. (Incidentally, some problems with details of builds on the sim need to be addressed if they are to be retained.)

User:Qie Niangao/Zindra and Adult Content

2011-06-25T13:35:12Z

Qie Niangao:

== Grounding Assumptions ==

# Linden Lab and adult content providers have common cause in the success of adult ventures in Second Life.
# Direct community support by Linden Lab has proven neither necessary nor sufficient to insure success of adult ventures in SL.
# In the past and ongoing, specific policy misjudgments and technical faults have hurt in-world adult ventures and, by extension, LL itself. Adult Content User Group meetings have been useful in communicating the consequences of these mistakes / bugs for repair.
# Zindra is a themed Mainland continent with a uniform Adult maturity rating. It has abundant LDPW infrastructure and (increasingly) diverse use by landowners not limited to adult ventures nor necessarily "adult" content.
# Although there is some overlap of the interests of Zindra residents with those of adult ventures, not all of Zindra is about adult content, and only a small minority of adult ventures are on Zindra.
# The Zindra sim spans from the only inland Zindra infohub at Oritz to the infrastructure-intensive "Kama City" sims. Thus, by name and location, the Zindra sim is uniquely positioned to be a showcase and gateway for the whole Zindra continent.
# The ZEXPO group has a contentious past that's unproductive to consider at this point. The name is confusing because it refers to a group, an event, and a cluster of sims where that event took place (and may again). At this point, we're charged with addressing management of the group only (to the limited extent that it can be considered separately from other "ZEXPO" matters).

== Scope and Context ==

Although the immediate objective is to make sense of the Zindra sim and the ZEXPO group, it's important to understand the larger context of Lab investment in Zindra-hosted, adult content-related land and groups.

Ginette's labels for these assets / initiatives are shown at https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-expo-group-overview-plan , corresponding to seven sims. (These seven in addition to extensive Linden infrastructure on the Zindra continent, including at least five 1- or 2-sim infohubs at Arapaima, Gilda/Oritz, Nelsonia, Ungren, and Vilania.)

* Four of these seven sims are the "ZEXPO Island" sims (Distrel, Girenzi, Jaraded, Tramoyn).
* One is a public sandbox, "Zindra Vortex", located north of Arapaima. This sim also includes some permanent content and seems to offer mentoring and has hosted a build-contest event(s?). It does have some traffic (some of which is non-landowners building and boxing Adult content for Marketplace sale).
* One is a proposed Mature-to-Adult instructional gateway (Podyan, or "Zindra Quickstart").
* One is the Zindra sim itself ("Zindra Promenade").

Other than the Zindra sim (presumably), these target Adult Content broader than just that on the Zindra mainland continent. (It's even arguable that they ''detract'' from businesses and events on the continent itself, but if the Lab is to promote broader Adult Content in SL, it's reasonable to use Mainland sims to do it).

Although the ZEXPO group is open enrollment, the Zindra Vortex group (also originally founded and owned by Blondin) is not.

== Submission ==

'''Sunk cost is irrelevant to planning.''' It profoundly ''does not matter'' how much effort has gone into reaching some situation; it ''only matters'' that the current situation supports options with better or worse outcomes.

The current ZEXPO event for which preparations are underway should be allowed to run to completion. Presumably there is relatively little additional effort that must be invested in order to reap whatever benefits it will realize. There's probably not time nor resources to really assess whether those benefits are worth the remaining investments.

The event is really not specific to Zindra (other than being hosted in a corner of the continent), and is more about adult content in general (as well as other, non-adult content). As such, the "Z" in ZEXPO really isn't much about Zindra, and so the event should be renamed in future. The group, then, should be replaced by something corresponding to the new event name, and scoped only to the event.

'''Going forward, Linden Lab needs to decide if the most cost-effective way for it to support a semi-annual four-sim adult content expo is by hosting it on dedicated Mainland sims, or to offer temporary standalone event sims.''' (There are costs either way.)

'''Matters pertaining to adult ventures should be addressed separately from matters specific to the Zindra mainland continent.''' Ideally, the latter would be migrated to a new user group concerned with Mainland (including LDPW) or Land topics in general. Confounding these topics in a single user group has not been productive.

'''A gateway sim such as Podyan, providing hands-on instruction in gaining access to Adult content, is in the interest of all adult ventures (and LL).''' As such, it should not be called "Zindra"-something, and its design and operation should take into account adult ventures outside Zindra, and be naturally, seamlessly integrated with the New User Experience for those opting for adult content.

'''Zindra Vortex is not limited to Zindra''' (same as ZEXPO and the Podyan gateway); it just happens to be hosted on an island a few sims from the continent. It probably should be replaced by a group with a different name; renaming a group is very tricky, especially if it has in-world assets. A more substantive question, however, is the group's management, which is very different from other sandboxes and help islands in that residents play a direct role in operations. This may be a great model for other sandboxes (or not) but it would seem to need some official sanction, in the absence of the original group owner.

'''Plans for the Zindra sim should reflect its role as central to the overall Zindra continent, not ''other'' adult ventures, and not adult ventures ''only''.''' Features and events on the sim should be for the enjoyment of Zindra residents and their guests, enhancing the Zindra experience. This is in contrast to trying to use it as a mechanism for solving specific business issues of adult ventures -- disputes over which have proven disruptive to forming any semblance of a Zindra community, and such an objective is ultimately futile anyway. (Incidentally, some problems with details of builds on the sim need to be addressed if they are to be retained.)

User:Qie Niangao/Zindra and Adult Content

2011-06-25T12:22:32Z

Qie Niangao:

User:Qie Niangao/Zindra and Adult Content

2011-06-21T21:48:16Z

Qie Niangao: Created page with "== Grounding Assumptions == # Linden Lab and adult content providers have common cause in the success of adult ventures in Second Life. # Direct community support by Linden Lab…"

User:Qie Niangao

2011-06-21T20:15:44Z

Qie Niangao: /* Adult Verification pages for SL5B interactive tutorial (info outdated) */

[[User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Public Land Proposal]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Jack Linden Office Hour Transcript]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Optimizing Parcels for Search]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/A Tour of Route 1]]

==== Adult Verification pages for SL6B interactive tutorial (info outdated) ====

* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/de]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/es]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/fr]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/it]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/ja]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/nl]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/pt]]
----
{{Jira Reporter}}

User:Qie Niangao

2011-06-21T20:15:22Z

Qie Niangao: /* Adult Verification pages for SLxB interactive tutorial (info somewhat outdated) */

[[User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Public Land Proposal]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Jack Linden Office Hour Transcript]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Optimizing Parcels for Search]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/A Tour of Route 1]]

==== Adult Verification pages for SL5B interactive tutorial (info outdated) ====

* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/de]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/es]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/fr]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/it]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/ja]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/nl]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/pt]]
----
{{Jira Reporter}}

Arbor Project

2011-05-24T12:56:37Z

Qie Niangao: Created page with "The Arbor Project is a Second Life group that is working to recover and rejoin mainland microparcels (land cuts) with bigger plots so they can be useful again. While seeking nei…"

The Arbor Project is a Second Life group that is working to recover and rejoin mainland microparcels (land cuts) with bigger plots so they can be useful again.

While seeking neighboring parcels that can rejoin those microparcels, Arbor works to protect and beautify small plots of land by planting trees.

The group has a long history, leading efforts to ban the practices of adfarming and land-cutting, and to work with Linden Lab and LDPW on projects to heal the damages those practices caused to the Mainland.

To understand the history of Arbor, one must know some history of this practices and their ravages to the Mainland.

''... good stuff goes here. In the meantime: [[User:Qie Niangao/A Tour of Route 1]]''

Community Tools User Group

2011-05-05T20:00:48Z

Qie Niangao:

{{User Group Page
|purpose=
The community tools user group exists to discuss and facilitate Resident involvement with:
* The Second Life Wiki
* Knowledge Base
* Blogs
* Forums
* Second Life Answers

We'll answer any questions and try to address any concerns with these resources.

|date-time= Every Thursday at 1pm PT
|location= [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beaumont/26/165/34 CTUG meeting spot in Beaumont].
|team=

=== Community Tools and Docs Team ===

Several Lindens are involved in facilitating community information tools:
* Amanda Linden
* Lexie Linden
* Rand Linden
* Jeremy Linden
* Raymond Linden

The documentation team is currently [[Rand Linden]] and [[Jeremy Linden]]. The doc team's focus is on the Knowledge Base, wiki, and Viewer context-sensitive help.

===IMPORTANT UPDATE on 4/15===

'''From Amanda Linden:''' Based on the discussion on adult and LGBT forums during the last User Group, we have created a public "[http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Identity-and-Relationships/bd-p/identity_relationships Identity and Relationships]" forum for everyone to have inworld identity and relationships discussion. Hopefully, this is a solution that works for everyone. Looking forward to seeing your thoughts in the forum.

|agenda=
*Linden Updates:
** Update on Forums/Blogs (Raymond/Lexie/Amanda)
** Update on SL Answers (Lexie)
** Update on Knowledge Base (Rand/Jeremy)

*Resi Adds:
** some clarification on the meaning of "harassment," as employed by forum mods (Scylla Rhiadra)
** Solution Provider Directory - How long does approval take? (Zoya Writer)
** Since update with new smilies, inserted smilies and inserted inline pics float above text instead of aligning to the text. (Dresden Ceriano)
** Reply to thread button should reply to the OP instead of some random (possibly the last viewed) post. (Dresden Ceriano)
** We really, really need a "Land" (or at least "Mainland") User Group. It just can't be efficient for us all to be individually and constantly bugging Blondin, Michael, Guy, and anybody else we think might be involved in the product. (Qie Niangao)
** Other Suggestions? Add 'em here.

*General Discussion/Brainstorm:
** Discussion on the new dynamic login screen. What would you guys like to see streamed there?
*** The Twitter feed @slOfficeHours (many people don't use Twitter) (Ossian)

|archive=
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/28-April-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/21-April-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/14-April-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/07-April-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/31-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/24-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/17-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/10-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/3-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/24-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/17-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/10-Feb-2011]]
}}

Adult Content User Group

2011-05-02T18:25:42Z

Qie Niangao:

{{User Group Page
|purpose= Discuss Issues Concerning Zindra and Adult Content with [[User:Blondin_Linden|Blondin Linden]]
[[Linden_Lab_Official:User_Groups|Back to User Group Page]]
|date-time= Mondays at 11am SLT
|location= [http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Bronlen/107/224/36 Bronlen]
|team=
|archive=
|agenda= Feel free to add agenda items that you would like to discuss. Each meeting I will start from the top and work my way down the list. If you propose an item and are not there in person to discuss, the item will be skipped. I would like to see agenda items in a box, like below, with only the very basic information. Please do not edit agenda items that are not yours.

Date: May 2, 2011
<table class="lltable" border="1">
<tr>
<th>Topic</th>
<th>Proposed By</th>
<th>Links</th>
<th>Jira Number</th>
<th>Old or New Business</th>
<th>Comments</th>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Welcome</th>
<th>Welcoming Committee</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>n/a</th>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>Lady Godiva procession</td>
<td>Janicka Engineer (Lady Godiva :))</td>
<td>https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/lady-godiva-procession</td>
<td>n/a</td>
<td>new</td>
<td>n/a</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>ZEXPO 2011 Update</th>
<th>Gina</th>
<th>http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zexpo-2011</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>old</th>
<th>n/a</th>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>WIKI for New Residents
(off Topic)</th>
<th>Zada Bury</th>
<th>https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content_User_Group
NOTE TO NEW USERS: If you have a single-word username, then you cannot currently log in to the SL wiki to edit articles. However, you can view all articles.
We are working on this issue, and hope to resolve it soon (11/17/10).</th>
<th>? (maybe)</th>
<th>new + known</th>
<th> Blondin: getting this bumped up on the priority list. </th>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Linking the Age Verify Video</th>
<th>Gina, Silvanus</th>
<th>http://vodpod.com/watch/6728203-how-to-adult-verify-your-account?u=secondlifeshowcase&c=secondlife</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>new</th>
<th>making sure this video is linked to from various sites/wikis</th>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Correcting the Age Verify Video</th>
<th>Innula Zenovka</th>
<th>as above</th>
<th>?</th>
<th>old</th>
<th>The how to adult verify video mentioned above still gives the completely false information, about 28 seconds in, that Age Verification is only available for US Residents. It reproduces a mistake, [http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Account/Age-and-account-verification/qaq-p/820635/comment-id/3040#M3040 now corrected], that first appeared in the KB. Please fix it, someone.</th>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>Defrost Zindra sim</th>
<th>Qie</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>new</th>
<th>Perhaps shovel-equipped Moles could attack the snow remaining on the Zindra sim. (Also, there's some missing auto-return there, last I checked.) Should I file this as a support ticket? Or is there some other immediate plan for the sim, obviating the Great Melt?</th>
</tr>

<tr>
<th>SL8B & Adult Content</th>
<th>Qie</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>n/a</th>
<th>new</th>
<th>Any interest in a "fringe festival" to the SL8B event, somewhere on Zindra? Do we know more details of SL8B planning & schedule yet?</th>
</tr>

</table>

}}

Community Tools User Group

2011-04-07T20:22:37Z

Qie Niangao:

{{User Group Page
|purpose=
The community tools user group exists to discuss and facilitate Resident involvement with:
* The Second Life Wiki
* Knowledge Base
* Blogs
* Forums
* Second Life Answers

We'll answer any questions and try to address any concerns with these resources.

|date-time= Every Thursday at 1pm PT
|location= the [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beaumont/26/165/34 "Doc dock" in Beaumont].
|team=

=== Community tools team ===

Several Lindens are involved in facilitating community information tools:
* Amanda Linden
* Lexie Linden
* Rand Linden

===Documentation team ===

The documentation team is [[User:Rand Linden|Rand Linden]], [[Jeremy Linden]], and Bea Linden. The doc team's focus is on the Knowledge Base, wiki, and Viewer context-sensitive help.

|agenda=

*Moderation of the community platform
**Update please on request for a 'Mature' forum for residents to discuss mature/adult topics: e.g. relationship issues, adult consumer items sold in SL, adult/mature clubs, entertainment; linking age-verification and/or backup plan and implementation date.(Venus Petrov; for 7 Apr 2011 meeting)
**I propose that, other than obvious spam OPs/posts, anyone who RICs a post or thread must have contributed to the thread content (i.e, discussion). If one does not participate in the discussion they cannot RIC it. (Venus Petrov)
*Forum incompatibility with IE9 - increasing number of questions posted with no text. (Peewee)
*Update on improvements to "Answers" including: New posts "bumping" threads back to top of topic board, removal of the confusing & highly annoying "comments" system so that answers works like the other forums with posts in chronological order/the ability to quote any post/OPs able to repost...This would also fix the problem that a correct answer cannot be marked on a "comment". (Peewee)
* Change of name from "Answers" to something else ..SL Residents Q&A or whatever (Peewee)
* Does the referral bonus (refer a friend) program still exist? If so, what is the bonus and is it for a premium membership or any type? (Venus)
* Any update on prospects for a Land / Mainland / LDPW user group? (in any combination) (Qie)

|archive=
* [[Community Tools User Group/10-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/17-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/24-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/3-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/10-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/17-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/24-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/31-Mar-2011]]
}}

Community Tools User Group

2011-04-07T12:33:37Z

Qie Niangao:

{{User Group Page
|purpose=
The community tools user group exists to discuss and facilitate Resident involvement with:
* The Second Life Wiki
* Knowledge Base
* Blogs
* Forums
* Second Life Answers

We'll answer any questions and try to address any concerns with these resources.

|date-time= Every Thursday at 1pm PT
|location= the [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beaumont/26/165/34 "Doc dock" in Beaumont].
|team=

=== Community tools team ===

Several Lindens are involved in facilitating community information tools:
* Amanda Linden
* Lexie Linden
* Rand Linden

===Documentation team ===

The documentation team is [[User:Rand Linden|Rand Linden]], [[Jeremy Linden]], and Bea Linden. The doc team's focus is on the Knowledge Base, wiki, and Viewer context-sensitive help.

|agenda=

*Moderation of the community platform
**Update please on request for a 'Mature' forum for residents to discuss mature/adult topics: e.g. relationship issues, adult consumer items sold in SL, adult/mature clubs, entertainment; linking age-verification and/or backup plan and implementation date.(Venus Petrov; for 7 Apr 2011 meeting)
**I propose that, other than obvious spam OPs/posts, anyone who RICs a post or thread must have contributed to the thread content (i.e, discussion). If one does not participate in the discussion they cannot RIC it. (Venus Petrov)
*Please remove "Registered" date from poster identification. The current date is worse than meaningless, and is absent from the basic non-customized format, so it can't be serving any purpose. If eventually SL account creation date is available instead (unnecessary), it should still only be displayed if the user selects it as an option. [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie]] 05:33, 7 April 2011 (PDT)

|archive=
* [[Community Tools User Group/10-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/17-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/24-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/3-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/10-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/17-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/24-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/31-Mar-2011]]
}}

Community Tools User Group

2011-03-31T20:06:07Z

Qie Niangao:

Community Tools User Group

2011-03-31T20:04:43Z

Qie Niangao:

{{User Group Page
|purpose=
The community tools user group exists to discuss and facilitate Resident involvement with:
* The Second Life Wiki
* Knowledge Base
* Blogs
* Forums
* Second Life Answers

We'll answer any questions and try to address any concerns with these resources.

|date-time= Every Thursday at 1pm PT
|location= the [http://slurl.com/secondlife/Beaumont/26/165/34 "Doc dock" in Beaumont].
|team=

=== Community tools team ===

Several Lindens are involved in facilitating community information tools:
* Amanda Linden
* Lexie Linden
* Rand Linden

===Documentation team ===

The documentation team is [[User:Rand Linden|Rand Linden]], [[Jeremy Linden]], and Bea Linden. The doc team's focus is on the Knowledge Base, wiki, and Viewer context-sensitive help.

|agenda=

*Moderation of the community platform
**Update please on request for a 'Mature' forum for residents to discuss mature/adult topics: e.g. relationship issues, adult consumer items sold in SL, adult/mature clubs, entertainment (Venus Petrov)
**Clarification on the policy regarding linking to third-party sites (again).
**
* Perhaps the KB needs as First Page an "index" or "subject index", something like (nor necessarily identical) the first page of the old KB, the KB previous to the KB in the wiki ''(added by'' [[User:Irene_Muni|Irene Muni]]'')''.
* The KB needs links crossing English articles with their translations ''(added by'' [[User:Irene_Muni|Irene Muni]]'')''.
* Any update on Premium Users having first level access to ticket submission and live chat? [[User:Cummere Mayo]]
* Any update on the "must log back in to Forums every hour and revert to top of Blogs" problem? [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie]] 13:04, 31 March 2011 (PDT)

|archive=
* [[Community Tools User Group/10-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/17-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community Tools User Group/24-Feb-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/3-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/10-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/17-Mar-2011]]
* [[Community_Tools_User_Group/24-Mar-2011]]
}}

User:Qie Niangao/Media Security

2011-03-23T19:18:04Z

Qie Niangao:

Protect Your PRIVACY

Touch here for information on
Media Security

Touch here to TEST
your media settings

Please move closer. You must be on the same parcel.
View wiki page for Media Security information
Your viewer's media settings are vulnerable! Your IP address appears to be
Your viewer's media settings appear to be safe from the most common privacy exploit.
Media Security
Testing

User:Qie Niangao/Media Security/it

2011-03-23T19:17:36Z

Qie Niangao: Created page with " Proteggi la tua privacy Toccare qui per info su Media di sicurezza Toccare qui per TEST il supporto delle impostazioni Si prega di avvicinarsi. È necessario essere nel…"

Proteggi la tua privacy

Toccare qui per info su
Media di sicurezza

Toccare qui per TEST
il supporto delle impostazioni

Si prega di avvicinarsi. È necessario essere nella stessa parcella.
Visualizza la pagina wiki di informazioni di sicurezza Media
impostazioni dei supporti tuo spettatore sono vulnerabili! Il tuo indirizzo IP sembra essere
impostazioni dei supporti tuo spettatore sembra essere al sicuro dalla privacy più comuni sfruttare.
Sicurezza Media
Prova

User:Qie Niangao/Media Security

2011-03-23T19:06:02Z

Qie Niangao:

User:Qie Niangao/Media Security

2011-03-23T19:00:54Z

Qie Niangao:

Protect Your PRIVACY

Touch here for information on
Media Security

Touch here to TEST
your media settings

MC Please move closer. You must be on the same parcel.
VP View wiki page for Media Security information
YI Your viewer's media settings are vulnerable! Your IP address appears to be
SA Your viewer's media settings appear to be safe from the most common privacy exploit.
FN Media Security Info
TE Testing

Adult Content User Group

2011-03-21T13:27:21Z

Qie Niangao:

Adult Content User Group

2011-03-21T13:27:00Z

Qie Niangao:

User:Qie Niangao

2011-03-21T13:18:12Z

Qie Niangao:

[[User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Public Land Proposal]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Jack Linden Office Hour Transcript]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Optimizing Parcels for Search]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/A Tour of Route 1]]

==== Adult Verification pages for SLxB interactive tutorial (info somewhat outdated) ====

* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/de]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/es]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/fr]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/it]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/ja]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/nl]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/pt]]
----
{{Jira Reporter}}

User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Proposal

2011-03-21T13:17:34Z

Qie Niangao: moved User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Proposal to User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Public Land Proposal

#REDIRECT [[User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Public Land Proposal]]

User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Public Land Proposal

2011-03-21T13:17:34Z

Qie Niangao: moved User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Proposal to User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Public Land Proposal

: ''I submit this proposal as somewhere between a strawman and a devil's advocate position, but I really think the time has come for something similar to this approach to get serious consideration. [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie]] 06:17, 21 March 2011 (PDT)''
----

'''Whereas'''

* planning for and management of the four Zindra Expo sims consume enormous time and effort, diverting attention from other Adult Content issues, with similar overhead being considered for use of the Zindra sim ("Promenade"), and

* granting control of parcelling and other settings of Linden land by individual (non-LDPW) Residents poses serious challenges to objectivity, fairness, and judgment (hence necessitating the enormous overhead of the proposal processes for these land assets), and

* objective measures are not available for the benefits to be expected from this outlay of Linden and Resident effort, and

* the contemplated use of the Zindra sim can only at best approach the intended benefits of the original, lotteried parcel approach for that site,

'''be it resolved that'''

# all planned events for these land assets be cancelled and all future planning cease, and
# the four Expo sims go to US$ land auction at the earliest date convenient for Linden Lab, and
# the Zindra sim be parcelled by the Lab for the original intended purpose of the build on that site: lottery-assigned content spaces, and
# the Lab undertake to operate a lottery for the Zindra sim parcels on regular six months to one year intervals, commencing as soon as possible within time and resource constraints.

User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Public Land Proposal

2011-03-21T13:17:02Z

Qie Niangao: Created page with ": ''I submit this proposal as somewhere between a strawman and a devil's advocate position, but I really think the time has come for something similar to this approach to get ser…"

User:Qie Niangao

2011-03-21T12:45:56Z

Qie Niangao:

[[User:Qie Niangao/Alternate Zindra Proposal]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Jack Linden Office Hour Transcript]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Optimizing Parcels for Search]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/A Tour of Route 1]]

==== Adult Verification pages for SLxB interactive tutorial (info somewhat outdated) ====

* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/de]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/es]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/fr]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/it]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/ja]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/nl]]
* [[User:Qie_Niangao/Adult_Verification/pt]]
----
{{Jira Reporter}}

User:Qie Niangao/Media Security

2011-03-21T12:36:41Z

Qie Niangao: Blanked the page

User:Qie Niangao/Media Security

2011-03-18T14:02:25Z

Qie Niangao:

Introduction

Second Life has rich media content: music and videos can be enjoyed in-world through the media players included in the Second Life Viewer.

While the media capabilities in the Viewer are very flexible, it is important to remember that they can also be used by others to capture information about yourself without your knowledge - and that this information can easily be transmitted to databases outside of Second Life and outside of Linden Lab’s control.

Because of this, the majority of Second Life Viewers now include a Media Filter that is designed to help you check the media requests you are receiving and determine whether or not you wish to accept them.

This set of notecards has been written to help you:

1. Understand the problem.
2. Learn to use the Media Filter.
3. Identify what might be data-mining media requests.
4. Disable media in your Viewer if you wish to be safe, but don't wish to use the media filter.

MEDIA SECURITY FAQ

What is media streaming?

- Media streaming is a means by which music and video can be directed to your Viewer for your enjoyment from sources outside of Second Life.

The music you might hear while visiting a store, the music you hear at a live event, and videos you watch on an in-world TV screen - all these are sent to your Viewer via a media stream that can originate anywhere outside of Second Life. The same is true for any websites, videos and so on shown through the Media On A Prim function within Viewer 2.

Why is this a risk?

- Because there is no absolute way of knowing where such a media stream originates. Almost all streams offered in Second Life are perfectly legitimate and offer *no* threat to you.

However, because of the way Second Life operates, it *is* possible for people to abuse the system and use a media stream in an attempt to gain information on you without you being aware of it

What information are they after?

- So far the main attempts in misusing media streams have been to obtain the IP Address - the digital "identity" assigned to your computer - that allows it to communicate over the Internet. In the same sense that someone needs your mailing address to send you a letter, a remote computer needs your IP address to communicate with your computer.

Why do they want this?

- For a variety of reasons.Some believe that linking IP addresses with avatar accounts allows them to link accounts to one another - identify if you have any SL alts and who they are. Others might use the IP information to try and identify where in the real world you reside; there are many reasons for the unscrupulous to gather and link such information.

Is it entirely accurate?

- To be honest no; for some it could be more accurate than others. IP addresses work in a number of ways, and this makes such systems questionable in their accuracy.

However, the fact that people are prepared to go to these lengths means it is advisable for you to take steps to be aware of what your computer is being asked to do.

Does using the Media Filter automatically protect me?

- No. It acts as an advisor, letting you see what is going to on with your computer when it receives a request to stream media to you. It helps you evaluate whether or not you should accept a request from a media service located outside of Second Life. To further help you make a decision, these Notecards include some guidelines on how to identify potentially malicious media requests.

But the final choice of what to do remains with *you*. At the end of the day, nothing can be 100% "safe" in Second Life. However, the Media Filter will help you make informed choices and help you to protect yourself.

The Media Filter

The Media Filter is designed to help protect you from malicious media streams that might be used to gather information about you as you travel around Second Life (such as capturing your IP address alongside your avatar details in an attempt to identify any alts you may have and link them to you).

It has been specifically designed to warn you when your Viewer has been asked to accept an incoming media stream request, allowing you to determine whether or not you wish to receive the stream before it connects to your Viewer.

This tutorial is designed to provide an overview on how to use the Media Filter, and to provide guidelines on what to look for in suspicious media streams.

Note that the Media Filter will shortly be available for Viewer 2 & variants in the near future & will use the options described for the Dolphin 2 Viewer.

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ENABLING THE FILTER

By default, the Media Filter may be active from the moment you install a Viewer that includes it (you may even see it display a pop-up the first time you log-in to a Viewer that uses it - see "Using the Filter", below).

However, should you find you need to turn it on, or if you wish to ensure it is active, follow the instructions below.

1. Access the media functions in your Viewer's Preferences, as follows:

Cool VL Viewer 1.25.0.25+: EDIT -> PREFERENCES -> COOL FEATURES -> MISCELLANEOUS
Dolphin 1.5.48+: EDIT -> PREFERENCES -> ADVANCED -> MISCELLANEOUS
Phoenix 1.5.2.977+: EDIT -> PREFERENCES -> AUDIO & VIDEO
Dolphin 2 2.5.2+: ME -> PREFERENCES -> SOUND & MEDIA.

2. Make sure ENABLE MEDIA FILTER (INCREASED SECURITY/MEDIA FILTER (INCREASED SECURITY) is checked.

- If it is, close the Preferences window.
- If it is not, check it and click APPLY and close the PREFERENCES window.

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USING THE FILTER

Note: The Media Filter only works if you have media enabled. If you have previously disabled media but now wish to use the Filter, you will have to re-enable media first.

The Media filter can activate in two ways:

-> Automatically, on encountering a media stream trying to connect to your Viewer
-> When you click on the music or media PLAY button.

Either way, a pop-up is displayed on your screen:

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(image from from Dolphin 2)

The pop-up displays the URL of the media stream and a series of buttons:

ALLOW: allow your Viewer to connect to the stream. You should only click on this if you feel the media stream does not harbour a potential threat (see "What Do I Block?", below).

WHITELIST: if you recognise the media stream as being from a safe source, click on this button to add the stream to your Viewer's Whitelist. This will prevent the pop-up appearing when you encounter the stream in the future

BLACKLIST: use this option to block the stream and add it to your Viewer's Blacklist. The stream will be blocked automatically whenever it is encountered in future, without generating the pop-up

DENY: if you are unsure about the stream, and do not want to risk exposure, click this. The stream will be blocked for the duration of your stay.

Examples of what you might see:

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(image from Dolphin 2)

The above is a "safe" media stream URL (it actually is for Martini in the Morning, a popular stream in SL). It would be OK to click Accept for this.

􀀂

This is altogether more suspicious: the long string after the main URL, together with a php statement suggest that it is going to do more than just stream music. The safest option would be to click Deny.

WHAT DO I BLOCK?

Identifying potentially harmful media streams is not easy. However, Pyske Phaeton has provided some notes to help you make a more informed choice. The following Notecards in this set may help:

- Media Security 4: Guide to Suspicious URLs.
- Media Security 5: Media Streams Shown to be Harmful.

EDITING YOUR LISTS

There may be times when you accidentally add a stream to your Blacklist or Whitelist and wish to remove it. Here's how:

Bring up your Media Filter Editor:

Dolphin 1.5.48+ and Cool VL1.25.0.25+: VIEW -> MEDIA FILTER
Phoenix 1.5.2.977+: PHOENIX -> MEDIA LISTS
Dolphin 2 2.5.2+: ME -> MY MEDIA FILTERS

The media filter editing window, similar to the one show below, is displayed:

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(image from Dophin 1.x)

Any URLs you have listed will be displayed in the left or right pane of the window.

To remove a URL from either list, click on the URL to highlight it, then click on the respective REMOVE button under the pane.

To manually add URL to either list:
-> Click on the ADD button under the required list
-> The New Domain box is opened
-> Enter the domain you wish to add to your list
-> Click the ADD button to the right of the box
-> The domain is displayed in the required list.

Some Viewers allow you to completely clear both lists using the CLEAR LISTS button. Where this is the case, remember that both the Whitelist and the Blacklist will be cleared.

CLOSING NOTES

1) It is probably better to deny all media requests for sims you rarely visit.

2) If you have specific venues you enjoy - clubs, etc., - then use the media patch to examine incoming requests. Generally, the music stream will be obvious (and probably the only one to pop-up).

3) Only Whitelist those streams you know are safe: your home parcel music stream, club streams you can absolutely trust (because you know the owners), etc..

4) Remember that this media patch only protects you from attempts to obtain data from you via a media stream. It does not prevent scripted objects obtaining information about your avatar such as you make available through your Profile. Such information is regarded as being "public", and as such, is open to use by scripted tools.

5) If you are uncomfortable using the Media Filter but are worried about being scanned, disable the media settings in your Viewer.

User:Qie Niangao/Media Security

2011-03-17T12:15:29Z

Qie Niangao: Created page with "This will be text and pictures from Inara Pey's Media Security initiative."

This will be text and pictures from Inara Pey's Media Security initiative.

User:Qie Niangao

2011-03-17T12:14:35Z

Qie Niangao:

[[User:Qie Niangao/Media Security]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Jack Linden Office Hour Transcript]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/Optimizing Parcels for Search]]

[[User:Qie Niangao/A Tour of Route 1]]

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{{Jira Reporter}}

Parcel encroachment

2011-01-26T03:45:03Z

Qie Niangao: typo

;Encroachment
:When an object's position is on one parcel of land but part of it extends into a neighboring parcel, often against the wishes of the neighbor.

The problem is that residents can place objects such that they are on their own parcels but invade the space of their neighbor's.
In January 2011 a partial solution [[Release_Notes/Second_Life_Server/11#11.01.18.219191|was deployed]]. Estate owners can now enable a feature that allows people to manually return objects that encroach upon their parcels.

==How it works==
First of all the returnability of encroaching objects must be enabled on a per-region basis.
See the '''How To Enable''' section for information on how do do this.

When someone tries to return an object the server will first check the normal object and parcel permissions and if those fail it will then build a collision body in the physics engine for nearby parcels and then perform a collision query between the object and the parcels.
If the object overlaps one of their parcels then it will be returned.

Some regions use encroachment as a feature, where large "public works" structures overlap privately owned parcels.
To protect such content the encroachment returnability feature has been split between regular privately owned content and '''estate-content''' that is owned by the Estate Managers.
The returnability of regular overlapping content can be enabled while blocking return of overlapping estate-content.

==How to Enable==
Here is how to enable the encroachment returnability feature:

# Install a recent viewer that supports the '''Sim Console''' feature.
# Login as an Estate Manager
# Open the Sim Console with {{K|Ctrl|shift|`}} ''( '''`''' is the grave accent, commonly below {{K|Esc}} on QWERTY keyboards)''
# Type the following command: <tt>set allow_return_encroaching_object true</tt>
# To allow return of estate content type: <tt>set allow_return_encroaching_estate_object true</tt>
# To check whether the feature is enabled or not type: <tt>get allow_return_encroaching_object</tt>

==Misc Details and Known Bugs==
* The returnability logic relies on the object's physical shape which can differ from its visible shape. There may be cases where an object appears to overlap but is not returnable, or visa versa.
* Visible and physical shape mismatch will be worst for the following objects:
** trees and grass
** sculpty prims
** flexi prims
** static objects using the llTargetOmega() feature -- they appear to be spinning but are not spinning in the physics engine
* Phantom and Volume Detect objects will still collide for encroachment.
* Encroachment across region boundaries is not yet supported but is under development.

Blondin Linden's Zindra Office Hour Agenda

2011-01-10T18:59:59Z

Qie Niangao:

[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Blondin_Linden Back to Blondin's Profile]

*Going forward, I would like to see agenda items in a box, like below, with only the very basic information. It doesn't need to be a book. I've tried to copy everything over so if I missed something, I'm sorry. It wasn't intentional. - Blondin

Action Items / Take Aways
*Zindra Expo Charter - I'll take another crack
*Podyan: Moles are working on it
*Talk to Lexie
*Lets think about getting a calendar set up for Expo Island reservations:
**Art Maze (Nov/Dec/Jan)
**Unzipped (Feb, March, April) tentatively holding while proposal is being drafted
**Bedfair (Sept, Oct Nov)tentatively holding while proposal is being drafted
**Zexpo: Pending proposal for Zindra Unzipped, ZEXPO 2011 is tentatively scheduled to occur in April.

Date: January 10, 2011
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|Topic|| Proposed by || Link||JIRA # || Old or New Business|| Comments|| |-
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|Art Maze Report|| Ginette Pinazzo || https://sites.google.com/site/artmazeinsecondlife/||JIRA # || Old|| Comments|| |-
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|Zindra PR Brainstorming Team|| Ginette Pinazzo || http://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-pr-team||JIRA # || New|| Comments|| |-
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|Designer Slideshow Kiosks|| Ginette Pinazzo || https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/designer-slideshow-kiosks||JIRA # || New|| Comments|| |-
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|Zindra Sim Name Change|| Ginette Pinazzo || https://sites.google.com/site/zindrabusiness/home/zindra-sim-name-change||JIRA # || Newish|| Comments|| |-
|-

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|Protection again Underage Residents || Zada Bury || ./. ||JIRA # (maybe existing) || New Business || Migration of Teen- to Main-Grid cause underage ppl get access to our Profiles. Kind of Warning possible, if resident chatting with is underage/Teen? || |-
|-

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|Future Office Hours|| Qie Niangao || ||JIRA # || New Business|| From Michael's most recent (and last) office hour, it emerges that some Lindens are forbidden to hold office hours in future. What is the fate of these Zindra hours? || |-
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User:Nyx Linden/Office Hours Agenda

2010-11-03T13:37:22Z

Qie Niangao: /* November 3, 2010 */

==Nyx Linden's Office Hours Agenda==

Office hours are on Wednesdays at Noon in Pacific time (SL standard time) located in Borrowdale at: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Borrowdale/74/217/32

Topics are focused on avatars, content creation efficiency, content creation tools and methods, rendering issues, and many related random topics.

Please add topics for discussion / agenda items to the end of the list below prior to 11:50 AM. Priority will be given to topics that are posted in advance and are relevant to the goals of the office hour. Feel free to include relevant links to JIRA or wiki pages. Contact Nyx Linden if you are unsure if your topic is relevant or appropriate.

Archived agendas can be found at the [[User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Agenda_Archive|agenda archive]].

Next meeting scheduled for: November 3, 2010.

===Agenda===

== November 3, 2010 ==
# Will the new prim size also mean a new rule set for linking prims together, in other words, will the 30 meter limit change?
# Is this a bug or expected behavior? https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CTS-309 Should mirroring be allowed for meshes?
# (General rendering, not Mesh) Shiny and especially pre-defined bumpmaps are broken (for me) with experimental "Lighting and Shadows" enabled (although "brightness" / "darkness" bitmaps still work). Is this intended? (Breaks some of my content, but if it's a necessary step for future Materials or something, I won't jira it.) [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie]] 13:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
# (Another general rendering) Experimental shadows from sun and projected lights passing through an 8-bit alpha-textured surface appear (to me) to be 1-bit alpha-masked, regardless of rendering settings. Is that intentional (perhaps for computability)? [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie]] 13:37, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
# Your Question Here!

User:Nyx Linden/Office Hours Agenda

2010-11-03T13:27:16Z

Qie Niangao: /* November 3, 2010 */

==Nyx Linden's Office Hours Agenda==

Office hours are on Wednesdays at Noon in Pacific time (SL standard time) located in Borrowdale at: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Borrowdale/74/217/32

Topics are focused on avatars, content creation efficiency, content creation tools and methods, rendering issues, and many related random topics.

Please add topics for discussion / agenda items to the end of the list below prior to 11:50 AM. Priority will be given to topics that are posted in advance and are relevant to the goals of the office hour. Feel free to include relevant links to JIRA or wiki pages. Contact Nyx Linden if you are unsure if your topic is relevant or appropriate.

Archived agendas can be found at the [[User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Agenda_Archive|agenda archive]].

Next meeting scheduled for: November 3, 2010.

===Agenda===

== November 3, 2010 ==
# Will the new prim size also mean a new rule set for linking prims together, in other words, will the 30 meter limit change?
# Is this a bug or expected behavior? https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CTS-309 Should mirroring be allowed for meshes?
# (General rendering, not Mesh) Shiny and especially pre-defined bumpmaps are broken (for me) with "Lighting and Shadows" enabled (although "brightness" / "darkness" bitmaps still work). Is this intended? (Breaks some of my content, but if it's a necessary step for future Materials or something, I won't jira it.) [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie]] 13:27, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
# Your Question Here!

Mesh

2010-09-30T12:27:42Z

Qie Niangao: /* Related Links */

{{Navbox/Mesh_QSG}}

The Mesh First Look (Open Beta) is coming soon; see the announcement [http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/09/14/next-steps-for-mesh-import in the blog]. In the meantime, we are updating the documentation to reflect what beta users will be able to see and do.

{{KBnote|Previously-written Mesh documentation is now available, but parts of it may no longer be correct. Updates are coming!}}

== Walkthroughs ==
# [[Mesh Walkthrough: Mesh Tour|See what mesh can do]]
# [[Mesh Walkthrough: Simple Mesh Upload|Uploading a mesh]]
# [[Mesh Walkthrough: Complex Mesh Upload|Uploading a multi-material mesh]]
# [[Mesh Walkthrough: Rigged Mesh Upload|Uploading a rigged mesh]]
# [[Mesh Walkthrough: Decomposing Physics|Decomposing mesh for physics shape]]
# [[Mesh Walkthrough: Understanding Mesh Costs|Understanding mesh costs]]

== Video Tutorials ==
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fb2LP1n-Lk&feature=player_embedded Exporting Autodesk Maya mesh data and importing mesh data into Second Life]
* [http://blog.machinimatrix.org/2010/09/15/meshes-i-a-preliminary-tutorial-about-meshes/ A preliminary tutorial about meshes in Blender]
== Test Plans ==
* [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh_Import_test Testing Mesh Import]

== Related Links ==
[[User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Transcript_2010-09-15|Nyx's 15 September 2010 office hour, with Falcon and some closed-beta folks]]

[[Doc_Team/2010-09-15|Jeremy's September 15, 2010 documentation team office hour, featuring Mesh questions answered by Vir Linden]]

[[User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Transcript_2010-09-22|Nyx's 22 September 2010 office hour]]

[[Mesh Streaming Cost]]

[[User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Transcript_2010-09-29|Nyx's 29 September 2010 office hour]]

[[Category:Mesh]]

User:Nyx Linden/Office Hours Transcript 2010-09-29

2010-09-30T12:17:29Z

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== List of Attendees ==
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*{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}
*{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}
*{{#var:adeon_writer}}
*{{#var:aimee_linden}}
*{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}
*{{#var:aveline_stein}}
*{{#var:cummere_mayo}}
*{{#var:eata_kitty}}
*{{#var:flight_feather}}
*{{#var:genej_composer}}
*{{#var:gianna_borgnine}}
*{{#var:gregory_wellman}}
*{{#var:imaze_rhiano}}
*{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}
*{{#var:jonathan_yap}}
*{{#var:ju_weissnicht}}
*{{#var:kitsune_shan}}
*{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}
*{{#var:latif_khalifa}}
*{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}
*{{#var:marcthur_goosson}}
*{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}
*{{#var:nyx_linden}}
*{{#var:oken_hax}}
*{{#var:paulie_femto}}
*{{#var:qie_niangao}}
*{{#var:reed_steamroller}}
*{{#var:rex_cronon}}
*{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}
*{{#var:skidz_tweak}}
*{{#var:tensai_hilra}}
*{{#var:the_nerd}}
*{{#var:tood_warren}}
*{{#var:trijin_bade}}
*{{#var:xstorm_radek}}
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== Transcript ==
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{| cellspacing="2px" border=0 style="color: #434849;"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_0|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hi all
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_1|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hey nyx :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_2|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hello!! ｏ（＾－＾ｏ）
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_3|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:paulie_femto}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx! woof. :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_4|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and even if you did and they told you they will no longer be on Gteam
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_5|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hiya Nyx :-)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_6|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hey nyx
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_7|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hi Nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_8|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|me waves to Nyx
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_10|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|the star has arrived
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_11|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me lifts an idle hand with a lazy wave.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_12|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hello
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_13|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|woohoo
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_14|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i brought a baseball bat, and its not for playing baseball
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_15|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|are we having fun yet?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_16|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm asking about status now
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_17|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|increasing the limit on physical vechicles also effects sim crossings
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_18|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx can you up the avatar limit please?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_19|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|region is full
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_20|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Cummere, if someon needs in, I have work to do, so I'm headed away
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_21|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I just came in, first tp tried
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_22|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bye all
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_23|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|awes byes
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_24|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Adios Aargle
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_25|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc aargle
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_26|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_27|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|aww kk bye aargle
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_28|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_29|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|response to topic 2 is: "<falcon> If your physics (or maybe it's total, not sure--it should probably be physics if it isn't) prim /cost/ is <32, you will be able to use it as a vehicle "
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_30|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oh hi
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_31|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:marcthur_goosson}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how does primcount work with meshes?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_32|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so as long as the physics representation of your vehicle is less than 32 prims, even if the display complexity is more complicated, you can still use it as a vehicle
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_33|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i know this is not on the top list, but would u nyx consider having your oh at a sim corner?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_34|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i would think that the actual model mesh isnt important but the collision mesh should be as low as possible.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_35|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Rex: beginning to consider it :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_36|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|physical complexity of 32 prims would be pretty high
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_37|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|just FYI
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_38|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|very complex
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_39|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh_Walkthrough:_Understanding_Mesh_Costs
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_40|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|like, stupid complex
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_41|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|true, but that should be good enough for like 99% of possible vehicles
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_42|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|mesh -> prim calculation is still under discussion atm. we're going to be changing things a bit
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_43|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well the limit has always caused problems for vehicles in the past
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_44|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if its entirely about physics then we might as well detach it
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_45|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Now we have a chance
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_46|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|size having an effect on prim cost is still retarded IMHO
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_47|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yea
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_48|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|always will be
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_49|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Zero's gone now, you might actually be allowed to make sims scale if you wanted ;-)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_50|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it actually makes a degree of sense Reed
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_51|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah but there are counter arguments
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_52|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Well, as far as I know, the prim limit on physical objects isn't SL based, but rather a limit on the Havok engine
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_53|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yea, a mesh ring with 5000 verticies worth 2 prims :/
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_54|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|have you guys done testing w/ it?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_55|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|like the way runitai did w/ filling that sim up with mesh objects
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_56|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|for fps testing
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_57|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed: the design is a proposal right now, we're working on coding it up before we can test it :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_58|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|The Nerd: the approved way of getting out is to go around people, not through them.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_59|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hahaha
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_60|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|things are still in flux
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_61|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:marcthur_goosson}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tnx
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_62|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|full disclosure, qarl is the one whispering in my ear on this subject
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_63|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|mesh is not "done", nor will it be by the time we reach open beta
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_64|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_65|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're trying to get it in the hands of our users *before* things are finalized
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_66|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|So, you guys might drop the scale association with prim count... in theory?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_67|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so that we can take feedback into account for making decisions
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_68|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:oken_hax}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how long will the open beta last ? ( sorry if it's already been asked )
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_69|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i.e. this is the time for complaints!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_70|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|<3 nyx
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_71|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_72|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would the lindogram mass be based on the mesh or the collision mesh?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_73|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|to drop scale -> primcount association one needs to talk some sense into Falcon first ;)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_74|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|heh
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_75|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|complaints are less helpful than well-reasoned arguments for why we're being dumb :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_76|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i'm not saying you're being dumb by any means
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_77|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you all have good arguments on the whole matter
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_78|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|One good argument is the mass chaos it will start with customers.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_79|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I just hope the limits aren't too strict
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_80|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|They don't sound it so far
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_81|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Changing prim count on resizing objects violates the principle of least astonishment, badly.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_82|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed little can take place with the lack of words and thinking on your part by calling others dumb
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_83|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Absence of mass chaos means that nothing's moving forward.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_84|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(and it has very dubious technical merit)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_85|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oh hi ju :>
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_86|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:marcthur_goosson}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how many polys can be attached witjout loosing normal av functionailty?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_87|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|its just so un-intuitive (if thats a word) that the effects of scalling mesh objects should be thoroughly tested before such a drastic measures (like affecting prim cost) are made
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_88|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ju_weissnicht}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oh hallo nerd person
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_89|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|wait, so are you saying that when a person scales a mesh, the prim count changes?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_90|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i didn't call anybody dumb!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_91|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, you guys arent always being dumb, you do some things that are far from dumb but jsut not usable
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_92|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx>smart
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_93|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Yes Jerben...it can.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_94|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ju_weissnicht}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hi lone :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_95|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Latif - the reasons for scaling cost based on size are fairly well-reasoned actually I think, from a technical perspective
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_96|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|in world, even? so how do we know what the prim cost will be in world?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_97|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|post uploading, I mean
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_98|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we'll have build tools to show you prim cost
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_99|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I don't think we should complain too much about scaling until we find out what the limits are like
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_100|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, Falcon refuses to do a simulation where it proves how big the effect is. It's just "he knows that it does" without providing any numbers.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_101|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Yes, inworld. But, you can see the cost in the edit window like any other time.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_102|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you will see alot of people revert to mega-sculpties... just a thought
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_103|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Latif: I'm actually talking about streaming cost atm, though physics cost is a related discussion
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_104|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm not complaining, I'm just genuniely curious as to how this works
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_105|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|understandable, seeing as just one model can span a whole region.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_106|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, I have no problem with streaming cost, but scale cost, ie resizing mesh object will make it cost more
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_107|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Let's say the prim count in a sim is almost tapped and someone scales a mesh enough that the prim count increases: what would happen?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_108|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gianna_borgnine}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm not very technical... so maybe this is a stupid questions, but why if you scale a mesh it will effect prim cost, but if you scale a sculpted prim or plain prim it does not?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_109|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Latif: if you scale an object up to be large, that means there's a larger radius at which we have to send out the highest LOD of that mesh
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_110|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah, having an larger object will enhance its chances of being displayed at highest LoD... so thats a pretty good argument for raising its prim count
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_111|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|They said they will code that so it doesn't happen Jerbens
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_112|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not all prims are the same and the sim there in may diff dramticly
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_113|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|is the LoD shown dependent on size or screen space?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_114|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|what will happen with megaprims? will each be worth a 100 prims:(
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_115|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Gianna: we cant change the way normal prims are counted, as it would break content.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_116|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|heres an idea... Since so far once cant upscale over 10 meters, make downscaling discount prims... not add on increase.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_117|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gianna_borgnine}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I see
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_118|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, you could apply the same reasoning for any object. The argument just does not hold watter and will be a big source fo WTF
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_119|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|wouldn't the implementation of mesh-prim count and a seperate normal prim count be an swer?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_120|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|where is runitai >.>
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_121|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_122|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would be cool to have him here
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_123|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai: not a chance :) that would make really really complex jewelry really cheap
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_124|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes, runitai should share in this beating lol
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_125|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm just worried that you take this great step of bringing SL into the big world of meshes, and then nerf it to hell with limits and restrictions that are far too onerous.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_126|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|maybe trying too hard to keep the primcount low for smaller things; simpler to just assume every view will require highest LOD regardless of scale?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_127|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not if they adhere to the LOD
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_128|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gianna_borgnine}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Falcone should share in this beating
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_129|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_130|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gianna_borgnine}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Falcon*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_131|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Latif: I'd love to apply it to normal prims as well
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_132|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|<3 lindens
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_133|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai:: its much harder to LOD prims well
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_135|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, that's so you would make a cube that is 10x10x10 say "const" 3 prims, where 1x1x1 would cost 1?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_136|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we can LOD each prim individually, but linksets of a large number of prims don't get down to small enough amounts of geometry to draw
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_137|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|heh, fool with the prim model asnd alot of people will not be pleased
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_138|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cost
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_139|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|its a fragile line one walks on when degrading the value/product margin
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_140|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Latif: the exact numbers and scaling aren't determined yet.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_141|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, I know that lol. It's the principle
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_142|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well, i'm very interested on where it goes
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_143|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|frankly, my personal opinion is it should be static on vertex counts
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_144|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that's the proposal - applied only to mesh objects though.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_145|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, can you handle rendering related questions, as in can i put it on the topic list?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_146|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I can try :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_147|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|k
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_148|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|<--- agrees with Tensai
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_149|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that way if they make it insane ly detailed... it costs more prims
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_150|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're getting a bit off topic, though its an interesting topic. can some one add it to the agenda and we'll get back to it?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_151|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|So, y'all are gonna come up with a starting point, for public beta, and use comments and experience with same to finalize this part of the mesh implementation, right?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_152|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|is not such a big stretch of imagination to think that this will also be applied to megaprims:(
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_153|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Genej - we're hoping to use feedback to help inform our decisions. Though we have to keep technical and business constraints in mind too
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_154|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|k done
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_155|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Cool.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_156|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|its there!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_157|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Probably not sense megaprims are old content.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_158|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*since
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_159|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok moving on for now
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_160|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rex, unlikely, as theya re regular prims, and it would probably break the grid if suddenly they cost more prims to rez
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_161|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Will scripting support changing an object between different meshes? "
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_162|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|with the meshes in inventory please...
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_163|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me knows where this feature will lead
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_164|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would be nice, would that allow like mesh morphing too?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_165|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me snorts
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_166|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_167|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Or generalize the question, what can scripts do with meshes?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_168|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it will be painful
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_169|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|to see
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_170|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me heavily uses sculpt morphing in products
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_171|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'd rather be blind
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_172|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yea, that would be nice to know ;)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_173|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|its a terrible way to do mesh animation. absolutely terrible from a technical standpoint
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_174|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if we can "morph" sculpts then I believe it will be expected to change mesh via script.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_175|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Morgaine: switch which mesh is being used?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_176|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|woot
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_177|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:flight_feather}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|All Go
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_178|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:oken_hax}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it's a terrible way, but we kind of need a way to animate meshes
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_179|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yea, using sculptmaps as frames in an animation is being used now
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_180|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it's terrible from a visual standpoint too :p
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_181|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hahaha
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_182|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Kopilo: yeah but as Nyx says, that's Teh Utter Yuck as a means of animation
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_183|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|The mouth on my avatar is a good example of what can be done with sculpties.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_184|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:skidz_tweak}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I would love it myself :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_185|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|great
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_186|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i have tested the following with mesh. scripts can manipulate texture "sides" (material id) colour, glow, scale, rotation, position,
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_187|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I don't doubt it will be done, but its atrocious
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_188|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there is more you can use changing mesh for than animation
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_189|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|personally, I think it may be the advantage of using sculpt maps over meshes for the time being
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_190|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_191|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|true
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_192|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|morph meshes lead to some interesting oceans and countless other things.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_193|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx agreed
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_194|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|such as updating avatars...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_195|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Koplio - I know, and there are some very valid use cases
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_196|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thats why you guys need to get rigged objects going asap
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_197|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and I have no problem with the valid use cases
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_198|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Sorry I think this has been misinrepreted. I was asking as I heavily use scultps right now for changing parts, like 50 sculpts can change into several hundred sculpts worth of options, without hiding them in alpha for example
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_199|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Maybe it will get those custom bones pushed out for sure :D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_200|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but I know the feature would also be used for mesh animation
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_201|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm not asking for animation
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_202|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well, who needs mesh "namimation" (costly on streaming resources) when we can have arbitary bones and can thus animate our meshes this way
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_203|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and that makes tiny robots cry :(
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_204|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rigged objects nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_205|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|can't protect the user from killing themselves
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_206|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|DO IT
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_207|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|why would mesh animation be a bad thing?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_208|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_209|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|We don't have arbitary bones yet.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_210|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but we need "bones" unassociated with avatars.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_211|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rigged objects are much much better
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_212|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_213|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sculpt animations like texture animations would have been cool
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_214|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so we'll need that by friday k thnx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_215|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so build a mesh animation framework :p
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_216|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you could have done that completely clientside
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_217|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_218|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we have rigged meshes for avatars already
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_219|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yaaaaah
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_220|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|then they won't use hackety hack methods
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_221|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but we need objects
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_222|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sirius, due to the cost of sending the new mesh to each av in view distance
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_223|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that sounds good
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_224|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|doing non-avatar rigging and arbitrary skeletons will take a while though
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_225|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not everyone is an avatar
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_226|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|aah
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_227|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tue
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_228|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|true
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_229|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but it is on the list somewhere, is it not?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_230|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would the face detection work in script? or would it just return face zero...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_231|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Is it on the roadmap?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_232|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and I fear we'll get a host of mesh animation products that use the hacky version in the meantime
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_233|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:oken_hax}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|will none-avatar rigging be limited ( in number of custom bones ? )
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_234|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:marcthur_goosson}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how many rigged polys can be attached without loosing basic avatar functionalty
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_235|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Will scavripts be able to make meshes that are already loaded disappear and reapper, by operating on some root point?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_236|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how are av morph points handled in regards to rigged meshes?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_237|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|So what you are proposing is that everyone use 20 stacked meshes to alpha out all but the frame they want, RATHER than render a Single mesh that changes?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_238|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|avatar morph parameters that affect the skeleton of the avatar will affect rigged attachments
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_239|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_240|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|will my rigged jacket, follow my av form, if i morph to a larger av shape
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_241|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai - I'm saying I don't want people to do that
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_242|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and they will if they cannot change the base mesh via script.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_243|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|morph parameters that don't affect the skeleton won't have any effect on rigged attachments
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_244|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you will see clouds of unsused meshed 100% alpha waiting for their turn
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_245|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there is another option if you want to enforce it...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_246|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lonetorus, it only applies to changes in the skeletal structure of the AV, like broadening the shoulders or something, something that widens/shortens the distance between two joints
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_247|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lonetorus, it will move with the skeleton but not the morphs(such as lovehandles...etc)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_248|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Rigged mesh objects that can play .bvh's from their inventory invoked by script.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_249|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|called global cooldown *shudders*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_250|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|alpha objects are even worse o.0
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_251|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|xD
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_252|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_253|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|global cooldown?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_254|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|iAlthough it could be used for animation i asked because right now rather than having parts attached as alpha and swapped visibility for different options I use a more efficient route of actually changing the entire sculpts. It saves on prim count and the amount data a client has to know about. If meshes can't be changed into other meshes that is going to heavily limit how you can make objects change
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_255|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yea, bad/worse situation nyx... the load time from cache for an animated mesh, is likely an easier prospect
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_256|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|mm mesh based fillrate crashers
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_257|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx: I think it's important that you show what's probably coming in rigging, to prevent people doing silly things like they did with tiny folding.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_258|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|alpha is the past and alpha was a error bug to start with
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_259|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:(
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_260|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|effectively a sleep in the script, which prevents it from doing anything for n seconds, rather nasty
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_261|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ah
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_262|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|why even think of it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_263|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_264|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_265|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|;-)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_266|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Take for example a car, it could have multiple styles of body work, like a hood with a blower through it or a flat hood. Without being able to change parts, if you want to do that you have to have both attached and alpha, then swap them, which is very inefficient all around and raises your prim count
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_267|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok, we have a *ton* of topics. I feel I've missed some questions on this one though.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_268|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|If rigging doesn't appear to be coming, as no play known, we'll end up with mesh flipping, and a lot of pain.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_269|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:oken_hax}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|kopilo > scripts delays are always bypassed by using many scripts, it's a method that doesn't work :/
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_270|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|AND physics impact kitty
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_271|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no plan* known
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_272|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx its ok to miss stuff
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_273|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai: we can always just llSetScale the lil rascals, instead of swapping alpha... that'll up the lag, though
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_274|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Eata: it would be better to hide the prims inside the vechicle and increase size/set pos on request
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_275|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|than to use alpha
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_276|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|then again, that would effect prim cost
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_277|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yea, the mesh is still there... eating resources... too many and people crash
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_278|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no one will ever know you did any way
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_279|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but alpha is much easier to use
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_280|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|eata, this is already done on some shoes, where you have to buy the extras to unalpha the new feature
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_281|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|No it would be better to physically change the mesh and no alpha, no resizing, no extra prims
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_282|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|after all its not like philip is watching
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_283|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx: you can narrow my question down to a rapid statement if you wish (or PM me)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_284|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no joke
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_285|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Will 8-bit transperency on mesh be supported? I've known a choice is planned for prims to use either
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_286|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|1 bit you mean?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_287|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Eata is asking if you can swap meshes, in other words
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_288|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Well, right now rigged meshes use 1-bit by default
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_289|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me needs to keep moving on the agenda, we're running out of time
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_290|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Ok.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_291|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic! "Will mesh import support normal maps ? Or any other normal storing system ? "
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_292|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_293|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I already heavily use this idea in products, I assign say ten sculpts to a certain kind of option and those ten can be used for many different options. Obviously you cant have two at once but it is very efficient
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_294|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cudda maps...
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_295|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no. not on initial release.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_296|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|normal maps require a materials system, which is a separate project from mesh
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_297|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|eata, ah its you, bad bad bad!!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_298|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and we can only do so many things at once :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_299|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how about reflection maps besides normals. with they need extra texture allocations or be part of the mesh structure?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_300|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|perhaps someday?;)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_301|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so would you say normals MIGHT come in the future?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_302|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|reflection maps are still material maps
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_303|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I belive reflection maps count as materials
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_304|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|as a hacky option, how about letting us use custom bumpiness
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_305|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|trijin, that still goes in the "new material system" bin
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_306|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i remember when reflections were available in olders version of sl via advanced menuj
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_307|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we'd like to get to normals at some point, but we haven't had a chance to do any work on a materials system, or planning on when such a project would happen (other than "sometime after mesh")
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_308|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and at LL anything worth doing is worth doing properly, thus we have to wait XD
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_309|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|now, someone DID mention mesh having a new refletion system
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_310|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|understandable
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_311|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|or something like that
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_312|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|high shiney used to generate psudo reflections, but doesn't anymore :(
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_313|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we want pseudo refelctions back plz
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_314|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Jerbens - that sounds like inaccurate information, but I'd have to see the exact wording you saw to be able to say
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_315|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|normals is what some one says when the system is getting cut backs and to high of cost to run
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_316|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|;-)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_317|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_318|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|moving on!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_319|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Question about viewer technology: what data is in a "Shape", other than form and size? Reason for question: The "Shape" exported by TPVs that adhere to the ToS/TPVP rules contain 4 UUIDs that appear to correspond to textures (one or two seem to be eyes, despite Eyes being a separate wearable, and another appears to be related to the Alpha wearable). What is actually in a "Shape", officially? "
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_320|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes moving on and so must i please have a good day i must go
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_321|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(I figured you'd know the inswer in your sleep :P)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_322|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|visualparams
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_323|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bye
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_324|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_325|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|all of the wearables are defined in avatar_lad.xml - there are both textures and visual params
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_326|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:xstorm_radek}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bye Nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_327|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I can get you a list of what textures and visual params the official viewer sends if you'd like :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_328|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Cyu xstorm :-)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_329|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bye storm
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_330|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Woot, thanks Nyx!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_331|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so why re there the extra textrues that seem to be overwritten by waearables nyx?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_332|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|what textures?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_333|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx: is the Shape wearable in any way related to the Alpha wearable?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_334|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| http://pastebin.com/PBGm4RLE
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_335|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|need more information on what you're referring to, to be able to say one way or another Cummere
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_336|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that's a "shape"
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_337|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|including skin and clothing parameters
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_338|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Morgaine: the baked textures that the shape contributes to can be overridden by an alpha mask, but the wearable itself is separate.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_339|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|anyways, keeping it moving: "Bulk Reset/Compiling scripts doesn't show full feedback anymore: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-18027 & https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17976 "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_340|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx: any idea what could make my (human av) skin vanish when I equip a brand new Shape, after PREVIOUSLY wearing an Alpha on this kitty?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_341|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thats more of a viewer design issue isn't it?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_342|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|v2.0 it would seem
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_343|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but a hassle for content creators
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_344|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Morgaine: will help you debug after the meeting :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_345|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|kk
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_346|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah, this topic falls squarely in the camp of "not my department" :P
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_347|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me doesn't have any problems w/ 2.0
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_348|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_349|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|wh is the right department?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_350|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|who
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_351|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|The Nerd: what you listed isn't a Shape, it's the combination of various wearables into a bake.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_352|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|valid concerns - I'd bring it up with snowglobe, they'd better know who to ask :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_353|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*snowstorm
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_354|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Update on UI changes for content creators "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_355|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me has been focused on UI changes to support Mesh.....
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_356|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'd like to get around to tweaking / re-doing our build tools to better support content creators at some point
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_357|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(whispers, wud lub that)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_358|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I would suggest taking a look at some of the TPV build tools
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_359|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|>.>
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_360|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|for some reason, if you have over 50k items in your inventory, content creation slows down badly with v2.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_361|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but I can only do so many things at once - my multiprocessing capabilities are limited by my RAM limits :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_362|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm curious as to what you have in mind
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_363|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you shold work out more
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_364|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|get that RAM stronger
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_365|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:skidz_tweak}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I have some ideas :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_366|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_367|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|If I were to get the opportunity to revamp the build tools, I think my first step would be talking to a bunch of content creators - you guys know first hand where the pain points are
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_368|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|whispers, Skidz smart.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_369|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no nyx bear on topic?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_370|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:skidz_tweak}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_371|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I can make some guesses, and run them by people, but suggestions always welcome :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_372|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|<<has memo on UI builder stuff.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_373|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there have been some efforts to collect build tool improvements in JIRA, and those would be a good starting point as well
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_374|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i could give a huge list of improvements. hence the reason for using 1.23 for building
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_375|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bearbearbearbearbearbear
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_376|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah weird
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_377|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ju_weissnicht}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|work :D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_378|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no megaprims and UI whining
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_379|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|either way, I'm caught up in Mesh for right now, for better or for worse
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_380|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|YEs!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_381|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|one project at a time :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_382|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|imprudence now has the ability to copy position, rotation or size sets and paste them across different objects >..
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_383|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nifty :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_384|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that is a great function too
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_385|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|,so does phoenix... very handy
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_386|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|;)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_387|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|keeping thing moving: "Fairwell to Aimee and the rest of the Brighton office... "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_388|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|note that Nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_389|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:imaze_rhiano}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|temporal textures are super
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_390|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bye aimee :(
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_391|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|aw http://www .
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_392|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|also "rez as land group if avaliable"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_393|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me will miss Aimee's current last name
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_394|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ju_weissnicht}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes, that one is great
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_395|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks for all your work Amimee!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_396|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me wipes a tear
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_397|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:(
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_398|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Aimee*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_399|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|aww, :( bye
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_400|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|where is aimee going?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_401|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tofu and spike leaving too?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_402|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yep
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_403|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|>:/
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_404|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:(
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_405|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah i heard tofu is getting the pink slip too
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_406|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bad move getting rid of them from the team really
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_407|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:imaze_rhiano}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|awww
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_408|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes, tofu is being lost too :(
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_409|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|all UK lindens, their last day today
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_410|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:-((((
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_411|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|does this make YOU the linux client champion, nyx?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_412|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|with stiff upper lip
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_413|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Y'all will be missed.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_414|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Both me and my SL camera thanks you, Aimee
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_415|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|latif, also ontyne?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_416|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rar linux :P
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_417|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:(
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_418|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aveline_stein}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|=(
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_419|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|xD
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_420|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|very sad day for LL and SL
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_421|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|alot of those Latif...
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_422|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|on the bright side... the multiverse has no borders
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_423|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aimee_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks everyone (sorry was afk for a minute or two there)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_424|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thank you for all your hard work Aimee
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_425|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how about ontyne support ppl?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_426|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|good luck to u
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_427|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I think we need a leaving party for Aimee and Tofu, with music! I know we're supposedly useless at organizing a pissup in a brewery, but we could try. :P
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_428|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Aimee, the best of luck to you, and the rest of the UK linded team
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_429|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|We just saying TY and will miss you
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_430|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|aimee, that emeans i suppose that you could finish the vnc support in a tpv? ;)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_431|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|haha, I JUST realized you were right next to me
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_432|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Awwww, lone, you have heart, cracking the whip already ;-)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_433|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me chuckles
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_434|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no heart :-)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_435|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Information on size affecting prim count? What kind of scale is it likely to increase count? (Possibly Prim Count based ONLY on model vertex count) "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_436|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aimee_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|heh, lone: I believe Robiin Cornelius has been working on that and has got much further with it than I did
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_437|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hehe, vnc works on a prim with HTML/java etc...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_438|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me uses logmein on a prim mostly
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_439|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, i thought we already talked about that?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_440|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me hasn't seen vnc work on a prim with java yet
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_441|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I told people to put it on the agenda as it wasn't an official topic :P
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_442|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh_Streaming_Cost
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_443|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|is the current proposal
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_444|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|^.^
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_445|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ooo
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_446|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|aimee, well, didnt want to crack any whip, i can understand if you dont feel like doing that much for sl for a while
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_447|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|COST_SCALER is as of yet undetermined
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_448|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me <3 having an open development process :D
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_449|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|^.^
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_450|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks Nyx, good to read
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_451|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aimee_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'll probably take a break for a while (I was half way through decorating the house when I got the call from the Lab and haven't finished it since)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_452|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we did cover a lot of this before, I think the wiki page should probably give the relevant details
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_453|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_454|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Awww
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_455|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aimee_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but I suspect the other Aimee will be back in action before too long
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_456|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hehe
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_457|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|any other questions on this topic before moving on?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_458|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|aimee, addicted? ;)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_459|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, open development process is worth nothing if you ignore all the feedback and implement what will be detremental to the platform ayway ;)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_460|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I think the topic needs hands on, so no, not till beta
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_461|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_462|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aimee_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|heh, I'm just OCD about broken stuff
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_463|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|will look forward to it aimee
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_464|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, next, we already flogged that horse to death
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_465|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Any chance these LOD distances will have a viewer option, like how you can change LOD range on sculpt?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_466|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_467|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Latif: that's why I'm pushing for us going open beta so we can get a lot of feedback
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_468|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aimee_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|can't leave things unfinished (well, except maybe decorating)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_469|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but thats iffy rl decorating
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_470|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we can't make everyone happy, but we can weigh the feedback against our needs and make a more informed decision :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_471|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_472|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|o/ for informed decissions
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_473|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|anyways....enough on that for now
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_474|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Will Rigged mesh attachments support linked objects? "
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_475|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:oken_hax}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|It would be nice to have a feature to force a LOD on a local viewer to check if everything is alright ( especially for auto generated LODs )
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_476|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|as long as you log the figures, you'll find a median
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_477|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Aimee: I just call unfinished decorating "original finish" and move on :P
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_478|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|That one is mine :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_479|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|trust me, resize object changing prim counts is *bad*
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_480|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Eata had a question...
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_481|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Eata - I think its based on draw distance now
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_482|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol yes everyone does seem to hate it latif
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_483|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I can look into it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_484|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|also doing LOD from the center of the object sounds like a big problem? if you had a building, the center could easily be 10M away so standing right next to the wall would have you on mid lod
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_485|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I actually made a jira on a bug with linked prims/rigged mesh.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_486|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed, everyone except Falcon
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_487|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, fix Falcon
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_488|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|what sort of issues does linking prims on rigged meshes have?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_489|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:skidz_tweak}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|size is taken into factor
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_490|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|falcon needs a leash (or whatever its called when its a bird)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_491|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Well, the position of the linked prim moves.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_492|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Oh it is
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_493|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Sorry
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_494|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me slaps forehead
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_495|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|But, you can detach it, move it back...then it stays.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_496|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|NM :P
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_497|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Relocate Falcon to the UK branch, quick!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_498|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|when u resize a mesh prim count increases. right? but does its weight also increases?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_499|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hrm, linking normal prims to a rigged attachment...
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_500|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|can you movied a linked object while it's attached, save for the mesh?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_501|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I don't know!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_502|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Has anyone tried it?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_503|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:marcthur_goosson}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|e.g. can my mesh jacket have sculpted pockets?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_504|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i'll try that out next time i get a chance
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_505|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|It will have to be investigated :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_506|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i foresee a crash though
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_507|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|morg, or get him started on the whole, "real gravity depending on mass + associated scripting language for controlling havok"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_508|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if a rigged model avatar sits on a normal prim, would it still be one prim cost or would the sat on object be increased by your model too? just a thought.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_509|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Well, you can move it after it's attached.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_510|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I did Adeon
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_511|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|okay,
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_512|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lone: uh oh, not sure I want to go there
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_513|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I dont see why moving linked in parts would be a problem, its the same as moving any other link
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_514|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I meant after it is detached.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_515|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm unable to test mesh much since the latest build always complains about too many vertices for lower lods
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_516|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|The bug is in a jira..so hopefully...
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_517|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Latif: we're working on it :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_518|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|morg, should keep him busy for a while, so the lest of ll can get some features in without falcon interference ;)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_519|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|the skeleton wouldn't have any influence on another attatched object if i've thought this out right
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_520|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it might be just better to make them separate objects, for the sake of keeping the parts in place
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_521|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lone: lol, cruel :P
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_522|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|latif: try a 3 verticies mesh? :p
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_523|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|coz the rigging associates the skeleton with specific verts of a rigged object
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_524|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|kopilo, you mean a triangle?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_525|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hehe
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_526|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:sirius_cleghorn}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|3 vertices? lol
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_527|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hey guys, we're over time and have 3 topics left, mind if I speed things up a bit?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_528|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|go for it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_529|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Plaese do
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_530|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Purpose of submesh? Can they be treated as separate links, EG rotate, position etc different to the root? "
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_531|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|go ahead, please
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_532|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|go ahead
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_533|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me revs Nyx up a notch
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_534|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|please do
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_535|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that would be nice
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_536|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|what IS the submesh, exactly?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_537|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so you can import multiple discrete objects, or an object with discrete parts (faces).
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_538|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|morg, "push the turbo button" ;)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_539|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|this is the first I've heard of it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_540|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if its one actual object with multiple faces, you can texture and set face properties of each part independently
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_541|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me sets nyx's cpu to the overclocked settings
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_542|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lone: it's stuck!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_543|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me slips a little bit of nitro into nyx's oil
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_544|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if they're separate actual objects, then they can be treated as...separate objects
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_545|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|think of it sorta like the different, sperate faces of a prim cube... they all get their own textures
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_546|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:skidz_tweak}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nice!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_547|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|reed, thats material id you are referring to
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_548|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_549|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i think its important to have sub-meshes so they can have seperate material channels
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_550|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_551|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|material id == "sides" and can be addressed via lsl
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_552|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|exactly
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_553|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah, almost like UV tiles
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_554|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nice
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_555|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Is it just for face stuff or can you do position/rotation too
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_556|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sub-mesh is a mesh in a scene
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_557|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_558|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lone: I wasn't certain which was being referred to in the question :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_559|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ah
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_560|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Is "submeshes" effectively hierarchical objects for meshes, independent components?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_561|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well you could have seperate meshes in a scene, each with their own sub-meshes
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_562|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:the_nerd}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|qarl would say, submesh is for catching the small fish
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_563|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Eeata, yes you can manipulate textures on "faces" the same way you can with regular prims
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_564|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you can have independent objects in a scene, as individual components, or independent faces on a single object
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_565|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|both with viewer directly and lsl
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_566|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how submeshes are determined by SL? exporting they with diferent material IDs? im not too familiar with collada
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_567|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not doing heirarchical linking before you get too excited morgaine :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_568|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|composit? :D
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_569|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|material id (sides) is assigned in your 3d programs material id, and acts per polygon
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_570|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|with maya, you just apply different materials to different areas, these individual areas are designated submeshes
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_571|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|material editor even
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_572|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if there's no hieractchical linking, then how are model avatar meshes going to sit in model fiz vehicles
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_573|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx: yeah I know, but wondered it the "sub" was separate enough to be regarded as actual independent components ... at least for meshes :-)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_574|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i'm probably like... the only maya user here tho :
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_575|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|don't know how w/ blender
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_576|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i imagine its an analogous process tho
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_577|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you can have independent components in a scene, or you can have parts of a mesh have different material properties
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_578|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hmm, perhaps we should clear up the difference between material id (sides) and sub mesh (seperate not welded mesh inside a mesh)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_579|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|In Blender, you do it with material ids.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_580|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i personally think there should be some basic vertices edit tool made in the viewer
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_581|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|need to get back to work, so moving on...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_582|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Any planned scale limit? large mesh is excellent for terrain, buildings, most sim building use. Mega prims are already used in this function "
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_583|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me uses Maya too, I know Blender can do it too
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_584|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|trijin, there will be inworld resident madde tools that can export colalda
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_585|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Trijin - I'll save that rant for another week :D
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_586|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|like sloft etc
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_587|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_588|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|megaprim meshes seem to be doing pretty good from what vex has been showing
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_589|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|when lonetorus?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_590|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|speaking of scale limit, when bone offset is eventually added, will that have limits, too?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_591|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i saw the limit is 64 x 64?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_592|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I heard the limit was 64^3 as well
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_593|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|working numbers have guessed 64 m
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_594|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there will be limits, not sure what they will be yet
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_595|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thebox already has obj export working, and is waiting for open beta so he can start doing collada
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_596|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|curretly on beta there is no limit when you import a mesh, but they snap back to 10x10x10 if you try to scale them in world
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_597|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Latif: we're working on that bug as well :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_598|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me thinks nyx might want to either start hsoitng a seocnd office hour or jsut admit the cute robot needs two hour office hour
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_599|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|just like megas
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_600|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lonetorus, he has that for sculpties only, if i am not mistaken. and he is not the only one
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_601|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me also thins maybe its time to move to one of the big ampheators
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_602|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nooos it's not a bug
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_603|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it's a feature
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_604|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, will there be seperate office hours for open beta?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_605|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Will, the 64 limit come into play onece open beta begins?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_606|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*once
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_607|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lone: not sure yet
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_608|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|64 limit for normal prims also?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_609|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|64 m limit will come into play when we implement it :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_610|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me chuckles.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_611|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Fair enough
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_612|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, at least it would be a good idea to have a mesh related oh on aditi
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_613|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hard to show examples here
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_614|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that will be exciting!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_615|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|important note: beta is taking place on the beta grid. We *will* break your content there.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_616|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|mesh show and tell
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_617|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_618|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|break content?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_619|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there already are mesh oh on beta grid.... why would that stop?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_620|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Consider it wiped
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_621|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me remembers to bring the superglue
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_622|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we need to iterate through various limits, prim counts, etc to get it right before we move it to the main grid
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_623|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx: is there a Project Manager for the Open Beta itself?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_624|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|in soviet aditi content break sim
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_625|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oh, you mean everything that's on there now is gone?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_626|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|or will be
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_627|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i dont think thats what he means jerbens
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_628|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not yet, but it will be soon, at least on the mesh regions
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_629|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're changing the serialiazation format for meshes, so they'll have to be re-uploaded
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_630|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i think he means that the meshes will likely get messed up as they try differant restirction formulas etc
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_631|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Cummere - I mean both
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_632|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|or do you mean that there's good chance meshes we upload will break due to changes as you work?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_633|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|confused: *non* mesh content may break, too?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_634|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|your wiping non mesh too ?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_635|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Jerbens: yes.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_636|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kopilo_hallard}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me waves and passes out into bed
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_637|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no, just talking about the mesh sims
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_638|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|gotta do what you gotta do!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_639|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:latif_khalifa}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|damn, i need to rewrite my mesh decoder :P
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_640|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thats what i was saying
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_641|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|kk, thanks.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_642|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_643|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_644|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks for the heads on on that
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_645|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|heads up*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_646|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|last topic: "# Shadows: would be great to be able to designate which objects cast and receive shadows, as well as designate the color of shadows cast. Already put this on the PJIRA but I'd like to hear your thoughts. "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_647|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me thinks nyx and i had a cross interpretation there
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_648|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ooooooo MY question
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_649|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_650|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would be nifty to add such a flag
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_651|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:marcthur_goosson}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:-)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_652|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i second that
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_653|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not sure when / how we would do such a thing :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_654|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|can you get runitai to do that?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_655|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol... there's actually an old deprecated prim property for that.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_656|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|That would be highly desireable
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_657|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hwo would we get shadows to recognize when to morph / break?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_658|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I am all for it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_659|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i'm guessing that the flag be on the materials channel
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_660|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlSetLinkPrimitiveParams #PRIM_CAST_SHADOWS
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_661|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me is jsut curious... cause it sounds as hard to impliment as the weather sytem was
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_662|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|We would need at least two, one for casting and one for receiving
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_663|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|speaking of which, I'm still wondering when people can make sim-based windlight settings...
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_664|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but that's off topic
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_665|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and a color slider for shadows
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_666|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ask that next week jerbens, i wouldlike to know too
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_667|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Jerbens: we already can in Opensim + Imprudence
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_668|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|what's next week?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_669|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sim baed windlight settings its alrady in the snowstorm project
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_670|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|could someone file a JIRA for this and put specifics on how you would like it to work?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_671|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_672|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i already did
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_673|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hold on
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_674|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oh crap
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_675|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok Reed :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_676|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:kitsune_shan}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_677|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/CTS-252
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_678|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i would be very interested in setting WL for regions... as I run immersion RPs... it adds greatly to give the sense of being there.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_679|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks Reed
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_680|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|u read minds:)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_681|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|had a topic added about client-side scripting: my answer there is not my project :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_682|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|@Reed it appears that one isn't public
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_683|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:marcthur_goosson}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I am still curious how many rigged polys I can attach without loosing basic av functionailty
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_684|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not yet
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_685|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:eata_kitty}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|WL is something for to ask for in snowstorm
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_686|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah its the secret squirrel jira
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_687|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but its the correct queue
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_688|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(it does not say that much more than reed has said here)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_689|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|snorts
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_690|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:skidz_tweak}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Is someone still working on c# scripting?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_691|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|could we get a public issue so we can gather votes?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_692|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|u need nuts to enter?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_693|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah sure
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_694|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:adeon_writer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Yes I'd really like to add my vote
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_695|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ju_weissnicht}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|same here
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_696|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|let me figure out how to do that real quick :D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_697|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and i
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_698|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks reed - I'll add the JIRA to the agenda notes archive and let AWGroupies know when its up
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_699|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|those of you who want the feature, keep an eye out for the jira and vote for it please, as well as help specify the exact functionality
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_700|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|myabe just add to vwr-1601
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_701|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx: that IS somethign I've been meaning to ask you: how do we know who to talk to for certain features/bugs? I was lucky to find you in the mesh dev group, but if I have questions/issues with, say, the "browser-on-a-prim", who would I talk to?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_702|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|other features, I mean
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_703|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Jerbens, browser on a prim (MoaP) is handled by Samuel, who no longer has an OH
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_704|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you can ask who to talk to (I did get your IM earlier) - lindens are usually pretty responsive on "who should I ask about feature X"
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_705|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-23238
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_706|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|VOTE
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_707|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|jerbens, there used to be a list of linden roles, but alas its far outdated, what you have jusst done, would be the current way of figuring out
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_708|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes, samuel and his team are best to ask about MOAP, I don't know if any of them hold public OH
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_709|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tood_warren}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hello
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_710|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed, link it to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1601, https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5191, and https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-20197
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_711|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|or even better.....ask on the opensource-dev list and I can make sure the right lindens see the request :D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_712|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|voted for it Reed. :-)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_713|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me stamps his vote on it.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_714|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|mailing lists FTW
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_715|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|opensource-dev list?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_716|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|where and how
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_717|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeh, i cant belive we used the blog for closed beta discussions, would have been better with the mail list XD
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_718|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jerbens_jarman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I second that question
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_719|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensource-dev
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_720|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensource-dev
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_721|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ha
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_722|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok, I'm at the hour and a half mark. Definitely need to get back to work.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_723|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks for coming out everyone!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_724|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|have a great week and see you next week
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_725|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:lonetorus_habilis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok, thanks for today, and have a good one
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_726|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks Nyx!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_727|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks Nyx. Have a good one.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_728|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks Nyx
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_729|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍ Thank you!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_730|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:trijin_bade}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thank you for holding the rant, Nyx. it's appreciated.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_731|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc nyx and good luck
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_732|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|look forward to working with everyone during the open beta period (starts October 13!)
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Qie Niangao:

{{KBwarning|The '''Advanced''' menu and the unique features within it are NOT supported by Linden Lab, because they're intended for technical debugging. You may find the Advanced menu beneficial and Lindens appreciate Residents documenting its use, but '''LL does NOT guarantee it to function correctly. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.'''}}

{{Help|Viewer=*|Glossary=*}}
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This page is part of the ''Resident-contributed, unofficial'' Second Life User's Manual, describing how the Viewer software works. Please see the main [[User's Manual]] page as a starting point.

==What is this menu for?==

The '''Advanced''' menu contains more technical settings than the rest of the Second Life Viewer, which is why they're usually hidden. Some of them are useful, but none of them are essential in order to use any of Second Life's features. If you'd like to enable the '''Advanced''' menu, use the following shortcuts:

* '''Windows''' - {{K|Ctrl|Alt|D}}
* '''Mac''' - {{K|Ctrl|Opt|D}}
* '''Linux''' - {{K|Ctrl|Alt|Shift|D}}

{{KBnote| In some cases on Windows, there may be a shortcut conflict with another application. In which case, hold down {{K|Ctrl|Alt|Shift|D}}.}}

{{KBnote| In Viewer 2, the Linux binding appears to have changed to {{K|Ctrl|Alt|D}}, which may conflict with window manager specific default shortcuts. In Ubuntu, for example, it may be necessary to change Gnome's "Keyboard Shortcuts" preference for "Hide all normal windows and set focus to the desktop" in order for the key chord to be passed through to SL.}}

Video of how to do it in Viewer 2:

{{KBvideo|LL4g5Iersq4|640|505|type=youtube}}

Additionally, there are two related menus:

* '''Develop''' - Choose '''Advanced''' menu > '''Show Develop Menu''' to enable it. This contains even more technical features for [[Snowstorm|Viewer developers]]. Some features are casually useful, however. (For example, if you find "{{xref|facelight|facelights}}" annoying, disable '''Develop''' > '''Rendering''' > '''Render Attached Lights'''.)
* '''Admin''' - Not unlike [http://www.belolats.com/2010/07/5-inception-levels-4-dream-levels.html descending into another dream level], choose '''Develop''' menu > '''Show Admin Menu'''. Unlike '''Advanced''' and '''Develop''', the options here are view-only, and can only be used by Linden Lab employees. Unless there's been an actual [[security issues|security exploit]], don't worry.

== More details ==
{{Todo|Many details below are for the older Viewer 1.23 and need to be updated.}}

=== Useful Items for General Users ===

* '''High Res Snapshot''' - doubles pixel size of snapshots saved to disk

* '''Character > Character Tests > Go Away/AFK When Idle''' - disables inactivity timers for showing (Away) (5 minutes), and auto-logout (30 minutes)

* '''Character > [[Rebaking textures|Rebake Textures]]''' - Forces your computer to redo and send your avatar skin + clothing again. Sometimes this does not happen correctly the first time, and other users will see your avatar as a persistent cloud (avatar did not load at all), grey (shape loaded but not textures), or parts look wrong (some textures did not load properly).

* '''Debug Settings''' - Enter "RenderFarClip" to set draw distance to non-standard values. Values below normal 64m minimum are useful to reduce lag. '''Caution:''' randomly changing debug settings can totally mess up your viewer program.

=== All Advanced Menu Items ===

[[File:V1.23 Advanced Menu.jpg|thumb|300px|left]]

==== '''Consoles Submenu >''' ====

Displays fixed windows with technical information about the viewer program:

> '''''Frame Console''''' -

> '''''[[Texture Console]]''''' - Shows progress and status information about textures while they are being fetched or decoded

> '''''Debug Console''''' - Shows a console window that displays technical information about the client's actions as it does them

> '''''[[Fast Timers]]''''' - Shows how much time different tasks that are executed for each frame take

> '''''Notifications Console''''' -

> '''''Region Info to Debug Console''''' -

> '''''Group Info to Debug Console''''' -

> '''''Capabilities Info to Debug Console''''' -

* '''Reload personal setting overrides'''

==== '''HUD Info Submenu >''' ====

Displays fixed overlay on the 3D view with the following choices:

> '''''Velocity''''' - Shows a scale with current avatar velocity in m/s

> '''''Camera''''' - Shows avatar and camera positions in grid coordinates

> '''''Wind''''' - Shows wind speed and direction

> '''''FOV''''' - Shows camera field of view

* '''High-res Snapshot''' - When set, makes a snapshot double the screen size instead of equal to the screen size.
* '''[[Quiet Snapshots to Disk]]''' - When set snapshot sound and animation are not played.
* '''Show Mouselook Crosshairs'''
* '''[[Debug Permissions]]''' - Shows detailed information about object permissions in the edit menu.
* '''Clear Group Cache''' - Clears the cached groupmembers lists.

==== '''Rendering Submenu >''' ====

Controls many aspects of how the graphics card or chip displays the 3D view

> '''''Types''''' > - The items below are displayed when checked

::> > '''''Simple''''' -
::> > '''''Alpha''''' - [[Transparency]]/opacity
::> > '''''Tree''''' - Toggles rendering of [[terrain]] plants.
::> > '''''Character''''' - Toggles rendering of the avatar mesh.
::> > '''''SurfacePatch''''' - [[Ground]]
::> > '''''Sky''''' - Toggles rendering of the sky box.
::> > '''''Water''''' - Toggles rendering of water.
::> > '''''Ground''''' - ''not sure what it renders but disabling it has not effect other than speeding up the client. -spitfire clary''
::> > '''''Volume''''' - [[Prim]]s
::> > '''''Grass''''' - [[Grass]] and other terrain vegetation
::> > '''''Clouds''''' - [[Cloud]]s
::> > '''''Particles''''' - Toggles rendering of [[particles]].
::> > '''''Bump''''' - [[Bumpmapping]]

> '''''Features''''' > -

::> > '''''UI''''' - Toggle rendering of the [[user interface]]. Make sure to remember the key shortcut, as once you disable this the menus will disappear.
::> > '''''Selected''''' -
::> > '''''Highlighted''''' -
::> > '''''Dynamic Textures''''' -
::> > '''''Foot Shadows''''' - Toggles rendering of the small [[shadow]]s that appear at any [[avatar]]'s feet.
::> > '''''Fog''''' - [[Fog]]
::> > '''''Test FRInfo''''' -
::> > '''''Flexible Object''''' - [[Flexible]] objects

> '''''Info Displays''''' > -

::> > '''''Verify ''''' -
::> > '''''BBoxes ''''' - Bounding boxes
::> > '''''Points ''''' - Vertices
::> > '''''Octree ''''' - Occlusion tree
::> > '''''Shadow Frusta ''''' -
::> > '''''Occlusion ''''' - Occlusion planes
::> > '''''Render Batches ''''' -
::> > '''''Animated Textures ''''' -
::> > '''''Texture Priority ''''' -
::> > '''''Avatar Rendering Cost ''''' - Shows a score above each avatar, indicating, how ''expensive'' it is to render. A higher score will lag the viewer more than a low score. Read [[Avatar Rendering Cost]] for more details.
::> > '''''Texture Area (sqrt(A)) ''''' -
::> > '''''Face Area (sqrt(A)) ''''' -
::> > '''''Lights ''''' - [[Light]]s
::> > '''''Particles ''''' - [[Particles]]
::> > '''''Composition ''''' -
::> > '''''Glow ''''' - [[Glow]]
::> > '''''Raycasting ''''' -
::> > '''''Sculpt ''''' - [[Sculpted prim]]s
::> > '''''Vectorize Perf Test''''' -

> '''''Render Tests''''' > -

::> > '''''Camera Offset''''' -
::> > '''''Randomize Framerate''''' -
::> > '''''Periodic Slow Frame''''' -
::> > '''''Frame Test''''' -

> '''''Axes''''' - Render coordinate frame at your position

> '''''Hide Selected''''' - Stops rendering of any selected object.

> '''''Tangent Basis''''' - Render normal and binormal (debugging bump mapping)

> '''''Selected Texture Info''''' - When modify rights are granted, this outputs the texture UUIDs placed on a selected object.

> '''''Wireframe''''' - Shows the world in [[wireframe]] mode.

> '''''Object-Object Occlusion''''' - Skips rendering of objects that are out of view.

> '''''Debug GL''''' - Enable strict GL debugging.

> '''''Debug Pipeline''''' - Enable strict pipeline debugging.

> '''''Fast Alpha''''' - Use lossy alpha rendering optimization (opaque/nonexistent small alpha faces).

> '''''Animate Textures''''' - Enable texture animation (debug)

> '''''Disable Textures''''' -

> '''''Run Multiple Threads''''' > - Improves performance by allowing threads to run in the background while rendering. You should enable this option!

> '''''Cheesy Beacon''''' - Changes the default tracking beacon to an animated "pulsing" beacon.

> '''''Attached Lights''''' - Disables [[attach]]ed lightsources when unticked.

> '''''Attached Particles''''' - Disables attached particle sources when unticked.

==== '''World Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Sim Sun Override''''' -

* '''''> Dump Scripted Camera''''' -

* '''''> Fixed Weather''''' -

* '''''> Dump Region Object Cache''''' -

==== '''UI Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Rotate Mini-Map''''' - If is checked ("X") the Mini-Map rotates with the movement of your avatar. If uncheck, the north (N) is always up, the compass don't rotate.

* '''''> Use default system color picker''''' -

* '''''> Show search panel in overlay bar''''' -

* '''''> Web Browser Test''''' -

* '''''> Editable UI''''' -

* '''''> Dump SelectMgr''''' -

* '''''> Dump Inventory''''' -

* '''''> Dump Focus Holder''''' -

* '''''> Print Selected Object Info''''' -

* '''''> Print Agent Info''''' -

* '''''> Memory Stats''''' -

* '''''> Double-Click Auto-Pilot''''' - Torley Linden wrote [[User:Torley Linden/Debug Settings|here]]: ''"Some of you may find it useful for navigation. Set it to TRUE, then anywhere you double-click (with the left mouse button) inworld, you'll automatically walk, run, or fly towards. Our autopilot is kind of flakey, so don't be surprised if this doesn't always work and you get an "Autopilot canceled" message. Nevertheless, a fun novelty."''

* '''''> Debug SelectMgr''''' -

* '''''> Debug Clicks''''' -

* '''''> Debug Views''''' -

* '''''> Show Name Tooltips''''' -

* '''''> Debug Mouse Events''''' -

* '''''> Debug Keys''''' -

* '''''> Debug WindowProc''''' -

* '''''> Debug Text Editor Tips''''' -

* '''''> Show Time''''' -

* '''''> Show Render Info''''' -

* '''''> Matrices''''' -

* '''''> Show Color Under Cursor''''' - Show the RGB color values of the object the cursor is on.

==== '''XUI Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Floater Test...''''' -

* '''''> Font Test...''''' -

* '''''> Export Menus to XML...''''' -

* '''''> Edit UI...''''' -

* '''''> Load from XML...''''' -

* '''''> Save to XML...''''' -

* '''''> Show XUI Names''''' -

==== '''Character Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Grab Baked Texture >''''' -

:> > ''''' Iris''''' -

:> > ''''' Head''''' -

:> > ''''' Upper Body''''' -

:> > ''''' Lower Body''''' -

:> > ''''' Skirt''''' -

:> > ''''' Hair''''' -

* '''''> Character Tests >''''' -

:> > ''''' Go Away/AFK When Idle''''' - When checked, this item uses an idle timer to set (away) and auto-logout. It is enabled by default. If you do nothing with keyboard or mouse for 5 minutes, your avatar will show (Away) status, and after 30 minutes will be logged out automatically.

:> > ''''' Appearance to XML''''' -

:> > ''''' Toggle Character Geometry''''' -

:> > ''''' Test Male''''' - Changes the avatar's appearance to a default male avatar.

:> > ''''' Test Female''''' - Changes the avatar's appearance to a default female avatar.

:> > ''''' Toggle PG''''' -

:> > ''''' Allow Select Avatar''''' -

* '''''> Enable Lip Sync (Beta)''''' - Makes your avatar's mouth move in sync with voice chat(?).

* '''''> [[Tap-Tap-Hold To Run]]''''' - When toggled on, pressing the up-arrow key {{Keypress|↑}} twice shortly after another results in running.

* '''''> Force Params to Default''''' -

* '''''> Reload Vertex Shader''''' -

* '''''> Animation Info''''' - Displays currently active animation [[UUID]]s above avatar's heads.

* '''''> Slow Motion Animations''''' -

* '''''> Show Look At''''' - Indicates via crosshairs where agents are focusing their camera(s). It's not distinguishable which crosshair belongs to which agent. See the document about [[Show Look At]].

* '''''> Show Point At''''' - See video tutorial about [[Video Tutorial/See where you're pointing with Show Point At|Show Point At]].

* '''''> Debug Joint Updates''''' -

* '''''> Disable LOD''''' -

* '''''> Debug Character Vis''''' -

* '''''> Show Collision Skeleton''''' -

* '''''> Display Agent Target''''' -

* '''''> Debug Rotation''''' -

* '''''> Dump Attachments''''' -

* '''''> [[Rebaking textures|Rebake Textures]]''''' - Forces your computer to redo and send your avatar skin + clothing again. Sometimes this does not happen correctly the first time, and other users will see your avatar as a persistent cloud (avatar did not load at all), grey (shape loaded but not textures), or parts look wrong (some textures did not load properly).

==== '''Network Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Enable Message Log''''' -

* '''''> Disable Message Log''''' -

* '''''> Velocity Interpolate Objects''''' -

* '''''> Ping Interpolate Object Positions''''' -

* '''''> Drop a Packet''''' -

==== '''Recorder Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Full Session Logging''''' -

* '''''> Start Logging''''' -

* '''''> Stop Logging''''' -

* '''''> Log 10 Seconds''''' -

* '''''> Log 30 Seconds''''' -

* '''''> Log 60 Seconds''''' -

* '''''> Start Playback''''' -

* '''''> Stop Playback''''' -

* '''''> Loop Playback''''' -

* '''''> Start Record''''' -

* '''''> Stop Record''''' -

==== '''Remainder of Advanced Menu''' ====

* '''Show Updates''' - Indicates visually which objects were updated recently. See [[I see blue, green, or red triangles coming from objects inworld that I think shouldn't be there.]]

* '''Compress Images'''

* '''Limit Select Distance''' - Limits the distance in which you're allowed to select and edit objects.

* '''Disable Camera Constraints''' - Your camera movement is constrained in a maximum distance to your avatar. Ticking this option will allow you to move the camera further away.

* '''Mouse Smoothing'''

* '''Console Window'''

* '''Output Debug Minidump'''

* '''[[Debug Settings]]''' - Opens the "Debug Settings" floating window. Allows manually setting essentially every Viewer setting. '''Warning:''' randomly playing with these settings can make the viewer program unusable.

* '''View Admin Options''' - Makes the client act as if it has owner permissions on all objects and land. Any action the user does not have permission for will generate an error message. Also toggles visibility of the "Admin" dropdown menu on the top menu bar.

* '''Request Admin Status''' - Also known as "[[God Mode]]". Enables administrative functions. This only works for Linden Staff.

* '''Leave Admin Status''' - Ends Admin Status or "[[God Mode]]".

 

=== Admin Menu ===

[[File:V1.23 Admin Menu.jpg|thumb|300px|left]]

{{KBwarning| This menu is off by default. Nobody who is not a [[Linden]] can use the options in the '''Admin''' menu. The options in the '''Admin''' menu are for viewing purposes only!}}

==== '''Object Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Take Copy''''' - Allows a Linden to take a copy of an object, regardless of ownership.

* '''''> Force Owner to Me''''' - Allows a Linden to make themselves the owner of any object. However, copy/mod/trans permissions are unaffected.

* '''''> Force Owner Permissive''''' - Allows a Linden to make themselves the owner of any object and also gives them full permissions to copy, modify and transfer that object.

* '''''> Delete''''' - Allows a Linden to delete an object, regardless of ownership.

* '''''> Lock''''' - Unknown at this time (Probably allows a Linden to lock an object so that nobody, even its creator and/or owner, can edit it).

* '''''> Get Asset IDs''''' - Unknown at this time (Probably allows a Linden to get the [[UUID]]s of an object and its associated assets).

==== '''Parcel Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Owner to Me''''' -

* '''''> Set to Linden Content''''' -

* '''''> Claim Public Land''''' -

==== '''Region Submenu >''' ====

* '''''> Dump Temp Asset Data'''''

* '''God Tools...''' - Opens "God Tools" floating window

* '''Save Region State'''
 

[[Category:Advanced menu]]

Blondin Linden's Zindra Office Hour Agenda

2010-09-27T17:59:37Z

Qie Niangao:

[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Blondin_Linden Back to Blondin's Profile]

Add your agenda items below.
Order: Old Business (reports) then New Business (proposals). Please add your item to the bottom of the list.

Next Meeting: Sept 27

'''AGENDA''' 
'''Reports''' ''(Old Business)''
* ZEXPO Island Proposal: Pending Approval http://zindracommunity.com/component/content/article/137-zexpo-island-seasonal-events-campaign-revised.html
* Verification Hub on Podyan: Submitted Ideas from group

'''Proposals''' ''(New Business)''
* Exploring Zindra Flickr Group: Inworld Slideshow presentation
the group is at: http://www.flickr.com/groups/exploringzindra/
* Meeting Minutes: Simple Recap Sent Through Notices
https://sites.google.com/site/futurefemdom/zindra-business/meeting-recap-idea
* Any way to delegate or otherwise distribute authority, so some progress can continue when Blondin is busy, e.g., unable to attend these meetings? (For example, getting use from the Zindra sim build.) [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie]] 17:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

[how to edit]
Log in Top Right with your SL username and password, but first, check the URL, are you on the Secondlife.com website?.
Top middle, click Edit.
Abuse this page as much as you want.
Click Save page, left below
Done!

Mesh

2010-09-22T23:21:06Z

Qie Niangao:

{{Navbox/Mesh_QSG}}

The Mesh First Look (Open Beta) is coming soon; see the announcement at http://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/09/14/next-steps-for-mesh-import. In the meantime, we are updating the documentation to reflect what beta users will be able to see and do.

{{KBnote|Previously-written Mesh documentation is now available, but parts of it may no longer be correct. Updates are coming!}}

== Walkthroughs ==
* [[Mesh Walkthrough: Mesh Tour|See what mesh can do]]
* [[Mesh Walkthrough: Simple Mesh Upload|Uploading a mesh]]
* [[Mesh Walkthrough: Complex Mesh Upload|Uploading a multi-material mesh]]
* [[Mesh Walkthrough: Rigged Mesh Upload|Uploading a rigged mesh]]
* [[Mesh Walkthrough: Decomposing Physics|Decomposing mesh for physics shape]]

== Test Plans ==
* [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh_Import_test Testing Mesh Import]

== Related Links ==
[[User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Transcript_2010-09-15|Nyx's 15 September 2010 office hour, with Falcon and some closed-beta folks]]

[[Doc_Team/2010-09-15|Jeremy's September 15, 2010 documentation team office hour, featuring Mesh questions answered by Vir Linden]]

[[User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Transcript_2010-09-22|Nyx's 22 September 2010 office hour]]

[[Category:Mesh]]

User:Nyx Linden/Office Hours Transcript 2010-09-22

2010-09-22T23:19:02Z

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{{#vardefine: cummere_mayo|{{#ifexist: User:Cummere Mayo|[[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]|Cummere Mayo}}}}
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{{#vardefine: bronson_blackadder|{{#ifexist: User:Bronson Blackadder|[[User:Bronson Blackadder|Bronson Blackadder]]|Bronson Blackadder}}}}
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== List of Attendees ==
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*{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}
*{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}
*{{#var:aida_rieko}}
*{{#var:aredhel_wulluf}}
*{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}
*{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}
*{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}
*{{#var:choochoo_sierot}}
*{{#var:contagious_republic}}
*{{#var:cummere_mayo}}
*{{#var:dahlia_trimble}}
*{{#var:el3ctro_attis}}
*{{#var:flimsey_freenote}}
*{{#var:frozen_rage}}
*{{#var:genej_composer}}
*{{#var:gooden_uggla}}
*{{#var:gregory_wellman}}
*{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}
*{{#var:heidi_fairport}}
*{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}
*{{#var:jonathan_yap}}
*{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}
*{{#var:nyx_linden}}
*{{#var:qie_niangao}}
*{{#var:reed_steamroller}}
*{{#var:rex_cronon}}
*{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}
*{{#var:tensai_hilra}}
*{{#var:vrai_frakture}}
*{{#var:youri_ashton}}
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== Transcript ==
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{| cellspacing="2px" border=0 style="color: #434849;"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_0|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|greetings all
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_1|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hi
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_2|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hiya
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_3|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*waves*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_4|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hey Nyx
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_5|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hi nyx. hi everybody
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_6|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me waves
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_7|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how's everyone doing today?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_8|[12:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|great
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_9|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me feels safe that the scary robot has a happy face
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_10|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:choochoo_sierot}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thnx fine
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_11|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Quite good ̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_12|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me is not scary :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_13|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:))
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_14|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|LOL
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_15|[12:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|=๏̂.̫๏̂=ᴹᴱᵂᵎ
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_16|[12:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes you are nyx... but in a totally loveable way
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_17|[12:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me blinks
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_18|[12:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|anyways, have a lot of topics to get to today :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_19|[12:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|its scary how loveable he is?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_20|[12:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|agenda is here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Agenda
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_21|[12:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|first topic! "Workflow flaw: I have an outfit 'basic body' (containing shape/skin/eyes/hair), an outfit 'huds' with all the HUDs, and then any number of 'clothing' outfits. Now to dress the avatar, I replace whatever I wear with 'basic body' and then add 'huds' and the clothing on top. When trying to update the outfit now I can either 'save', which will save ALL the stuff to 'basic body'. That's bad. Or I can 'save as'. But when entering the name of the clothing set I added last, before adding/removing single pieces, that outfit is not overwritten but the client is saving a second outfit with the same name. Both ways are rather ugly. "
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_22|[12:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nods
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_23|[12:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes, I have resorted to saving a complete set and delteing the parts from my base
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_24|[12:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|agreed, our tools for outfit management assume that you're putting yes, our outfit tools assume that you put everything in an outfit, not have "base" and "accessory" outfits - its a bit of an issue
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_25|[12:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|perhaps an option to 'include locked sets' and flag the base and Hud layers as locked?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_26|[12:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|changing it to handle partial outfits would be a non-trivial amount of work (to do correctly) - I'd love to gather ideas on the best way to do so without making things too complicated
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_27|[12:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hi hi
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_28|[12:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hey Reed
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_29|[12:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(wonders ... will that be another new folder entry in inventory????)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_30|[12:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hi
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_31|[12:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ive already given some idea s twoards that
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_32|[12:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|indeed - I'd like to see us gather the various proposals and discuss which ones would be best to implement :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_33|[12:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me makes it in.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_34|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me waves to all.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_35|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, people on our blog are already sad about being restricted to the SL Avatar skeleton
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_36|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hi
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_37|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:vrai_frakture}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me disarms.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_38|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx: are you the best linden to meet regarding mesh issues?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_39|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|the only way I can think of would be to mark some folders as "base". it certianly would help
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_40|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no one fart
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_41|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|might blow us all out of here
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_42|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(just arrived, sorry if I missed something) If partial outfits work already with classical outfits (i.e. normal folders containing items), what's so hard about making them work for new outfits (i.e. special folders with links to items)?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_43|[12:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai - that brings up some pretty interesting edge cases on various outfit operations :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_44|[12:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| http://changingworldsbuildingdreams.com/the-status-of-mesh-support-in-second-life/comment-page-1 #comment-7187
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_45|[12:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me nods
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_46|[12:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|perhaps a "This outfit includes parts that will override your base, do you wish to include or omit them?"
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_47|[12:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Boroondas - not difficult to do partial outfits now, the trick comes when you hit "save" on the outfit - see topic one on the agenda page
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_48|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me spots a tiny robot
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_49|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ah, ok
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_51|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:youri_ashton}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol, hey morg
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_52|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|part of the problem is then we'd have to track multiple outfits being worn at the same time - "base" outfits and "accessory" outfits. If you added a random item, how do you know whether it belongs in the base outfit or one of the accessory outfits?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_53|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:morgaine_dinova}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hi Youri :-)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_54|[12:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i already responded to the comment on the blog, but gianna has yet to approve it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_55|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ultimately, ild like to see the outfit system allow a plugin for sl, with a kinda datebase where each item or folder can be given multiple tags, and then you can search by tags, then scroll down and check or uncheck things to add them or take them off
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_56|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thats the same question I had Mr Reed
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_57|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it would be a matter of not Base/accessories, etc... but flagging a tree as "base" so it checks against it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_58|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed: please add a topic to the agenda for that
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_59|[12:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well even tho you're restricted to the standard AV skeleton, you can still do cool stuff
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_60|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, kk
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_61|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|URL?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_62|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Nyx_Linden/Office_Hours_Agenda
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_63|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me is forgetful :(
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_64|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you rock
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_65|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I added it already ..kinda
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_66|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I think a newly added item should not be part of any saved outfit, but only of what is currently called the "current outfit". The, only when you save the "current outfit" while it's being composed of more than one saved outfit + extra items, ask the user which item to save to which outfit.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_67|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai - could you write up a proposal either in jira or the opensource-dev list please?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_68|[12:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well one step at a time.... maybe in the future things won't have to be restricted
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_69|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|okay
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_70|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I have not looked recently -- but you used to be able to select checkboxes for the parts you were doing a save on -- is that gone now?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_71|[12:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Boroondas - given that the user may have modified the contents of the "current oufti" arbitrarily since the last save, that might get complicated :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_72|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Or maybe make "save outfit" only produce complete outfit and allow manual linking for creation of partial outfits?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_73|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, done
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_74|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'd like to see us get a central place to discuss the various ways we can tackle this issue - is there a preference between JIRA or the os-dev list?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_75|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i would tend to do a 'add to outfit' with the accessories, and a 'replace outfit' to go to base avatar again, but neither adresses multiple accessories sets
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_76|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|the court you hold is very orderly, nyx :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_77|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I try Reed :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_78|[12:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, someone shy has an intresting idea ild like to paste to chat with her permission
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_79|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Might be more on-topic on th sl-ux list than on opensource-dev
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_80|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if its relevant to the current topic, please do so Cummere
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_81|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aredhel_wulluf}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me giggles
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_82|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|her ideas is "What i ws thinking baout was like a closet of some sort being like a web inventory where ur cothing goes to and we can clear it from our inventory and go to the web page click the utfit we want and it appear on our avatar in world"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_83|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(else add it as a new topic)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_84|[12:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would give us MUCH more sorting and attachment options
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_85|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bronson!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_86|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|moving appearance editing to the web is indeed an interesting proposal :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_87|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_88|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah it would
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_89|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|It would help cut down the lag of an Inventory load
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_90|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aredhel_wulluf}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|>.>
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_91|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aredhel_wulluf}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|<.<
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_92|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|intrepid users could even HUD the process on a prim
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_93|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|woe could set it up even to instnatly add an item to numberous outfit easily
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_94|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|<< LUBS that idea.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_95|[12:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|probably wouldn't be totally opposed to it, but would want to see specific design proposals :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_96|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would be an interesting project - would require web, server, and viewer changes
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_97|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aida_rieko}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well, already have house editing as web based, why not clothing *shrugs*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_98|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|got a web monkey a coupel of us could borrow for a day nyx? (serious)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_99|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me chuckles
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_100|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|may be easier for noobs to wrap their heads around as well
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_101|[12:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aredhel_wulluf}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|**AHahAHahAHah**
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_102|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|provided you don't put in DoS attacks in the web interface, Nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_103|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_104|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me snerks
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_105|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me chuckles
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_106|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|LOL
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_107|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Cummere - not immediately available, but I'd like to get some design proposals evaluated from product, if it gets approved as something we want to do, we can poke around for web resources to assist
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_108|[12:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|opening up 15 iframes to bluemars.com or something
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_109|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|okay was jsut asking cuase im not sure my web skills could put together a model that well
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_110|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how about adding it to the viewer, so the viewer keeps track of SOME inventory locally and can ask to wear it before it's truly loaded? That might help. Even 'load this bit of inventory first' folder may solve the more general problem...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_111|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Cummere - nothing wrong with sketches or photoshop mockups :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_112|[12:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|anyways, I don't want to cut off discussion, but we have a lot of topics. mind if I move on?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_113|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sounds good
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_114|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|k
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_115|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|please do follow up with comments on the os-dev list
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_116|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|actually
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_117|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:choochoo_sierot}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|please do ..
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_118|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Workflow flaw: to remove an item from an outfit you have to switch from "My Outfits" sidebar tab to "Inventory", why not allow removing items on the Outfits tab? "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_119|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I have something I can show you as a base aspect for that Idea
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_120|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if you give me 1 moment
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_121|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Frozen - please post it to the os dev list, I'll respond to it there :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_122|[12:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok I need the link for that Ma'am
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_123|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|frozen one moment
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_124|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|whispers: Thats pretty straight forward... "OK
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_125|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(you mean like "right click > remove from outfit?")
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_126|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ill fetch it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_127|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thats pretty straight forward... "OK"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_128|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sorry
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_129|[12:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensource-dev
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_130|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're adding "remove" to the right click menu for the wearing tab, and you can remove from the outfit editor as well
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_131|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|kk
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_132|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you shouldn't have to switch between the inventory and outfit tabs.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_133|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|brb
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_134|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nods
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_135|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|is that sufficient?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_136|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would be for me.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_137|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would be for me
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_138|[12:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that was easy. moving on! "# VWR-22972[c] "
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_139|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Webifying the outfits would eliminate the complaints of having to swich too, one could open a new window, heck even on a new screen/monitor
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_140|[12:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, any word yet on if there will be the option to pick the ordering of multiwearable clothes and attachments yet?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_141|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we add on top by default and give you options to reorder in the outfit edtior. I've asked esbee to follow up on the request to add ordering options to the right click menus of the inventory tab
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_142|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|STORM-66 would certianly be interesting... I've thought about that myself
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_143|[12:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thank you nyx
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_144|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|anything else RE: VWR-22972 for this week Cummere?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_145|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|um nto really other then ive split some stuff into multiple tasks like you asked
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_146|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hmmm... nobody asked for 100% transparency?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_147|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|much appreciated!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_148|[12:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and that i welcoem all people to contribute ideas!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_149|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes, there's some interesting proposals there, everyone is encouraged to read over them, and comment / contribute
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_150|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|"VWR-18129 Allow partial alpha in new Alpha Layer clothing layer" That would be a nightmare... Useful but GL would be horrific with that
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_151|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ill try and get to the rest of the ones that need split this week or next :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_152|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|whatever you have time for would be appreciated!
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_153|[12:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|also if anyone else knwos things that should be linked her, toss me a notecard please
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_154|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|half way done OH and not halfway done topics, ready to keep moving?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_155|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*nods* will do
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_156|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_157|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Script Limitations - any further developments? "
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_158|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|This one falls squarely in the "not my department" territory :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_159|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|any thoughts of bringing c# back
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_160|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|or any other mono supported languages?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_161|[12:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Back?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_162|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ah crap
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_163|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|c# DEVELEOPMENT back
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_164|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Babbage and crew were working on the C# project
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_165|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how bout that?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_166|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_167|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i know
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_168|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me perks up over the C# thing
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_169|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|this is a great topic for Kelly's OH on Mondays :D
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_170|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but not nyx department
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_171|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|k
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_172|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|c sharp? isn't that the microsoft proprietary thingy?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_173|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|They weren't allowed to put out a public alpha of it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_174|[12:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|what time is Kelly's? bug triage is now closed down
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_175|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|contagious, i had the same question, but the answer is no, due to SL SIMs running on a linux varient
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_176|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Office_hours
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_177|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gooden_uggla}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|kelly is monday at 9am
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_178|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks for that link. You read my mind.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_179|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|9 AM mondays on kelly's bling land
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_180|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Contagious, it's just a language. it compiles to .net bytecode... and MONO is the linux version of that.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_181|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:dahlia_trimble}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|C# is an open standard, Microsoft has a proprietary implementation
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_182|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gooden_uggla}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|C# is tabled indefinitely
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_183|[12:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|moving on :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_184|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic "Possible system skirt improvement with current avatar mesh? (Not my thing, but may be of interest.) Qie 16:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC) "
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_185|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah like a bunch of proprietary libraries for the windows environment, which SL is not.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_186|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/1026510-post359.html
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_187|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(That's just FYI, Nyx, unless anybody is excited by it.)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_188|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|To be blunt, wouldnt the skirt fix be better done when mesh is here... as to not kill legacy products?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_189|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:dahlia_trimble}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Mono has open source versions of the same libraries
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_190|[12:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yep
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_191|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai: probably. but the system skirt mesh was mentioned here a while back as needing fixed.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_192|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|It woukld outrage people depending on the current behavior
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_193|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would need to modify the avatar mesh files for such a skirt fix. I wonder if anyone relys on the current behavior?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_194|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(generally the answer to that is "yes")
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_195|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you'd be able to do your own skirt w/ mesh
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_196|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|in this case...I wonder
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_197|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|w/ matching UV's if you wanted them
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_198|[12:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gooden_uggla}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it would make it unnecessary to have a prim piece on the front of short skirts
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_199|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and provided you pulled off the modeling and rigging well enough, it would look much better than default skirt
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_200|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Yes, I'd be interested to see weighted mesh import skirts :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_201|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I would say, it would need a dual approach.. a checkmark to use old/new method
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_202|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I honestly find it hard to believe that anyone would rely on the poor weight painting on the skirt as a feature...
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_203|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you could make a skirt that DOESN'T make your butt look huge
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_204|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:dahlia_trimble}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I bet there are
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_205|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_206|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Are you sure it's the skirt doing that, Reed?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_207|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:dahlia_trimble}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|people blend prims with the skirt
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_208|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I find it hard to believe people would make skirts out of strips of fabric ̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍ but alas...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_209|[12:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so we're not going to get to this before mesh open beta, most likely, but it is a decent proposal
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_210|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|dahlia, probably
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_211|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Yes.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_212|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i guess
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_213|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_214|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gooden_uggla}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it has merit to consider
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_215|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|somebody will figure it out
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_216|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|the door is left open to a solution
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_217|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|It does indeed have merit :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_218|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|perhaps, wait and see on that one, see if its self corrected, or it may serve to inspire designers
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_219|[12:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|wife: "Does this dress make my ass look fat?" husband: "no, it's the years of donuts that do that." the husband should be getting out of the hospital in just a few weeks.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_220|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if it wasn't the skirt itself, you could replace the av butt as well
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_221|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hehe
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_222|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_223|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I encourage people to experiment with mesh skirts :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_224|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|crap I cant find the link i was looking for
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_225|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|-.-
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_226|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(we would... ahem .... ̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_227|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Frozen - feel free to send it to me or the os-dev list later :D
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_228|[12:35]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|really, i think the skirt itself would replace the butt
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_229|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:dahlia_trimble}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I have a problem with the mesh skirt, the waist is too large and theres a big gap
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_230|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no need for geometry that is unseen
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_231|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|the skirt definitely affects the butt. darn cross-wearable params....
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_232|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it would be a really thight skirt then lolz
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_233|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|redd, but then all the slperverts could not upskirt
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_234|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*reed
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_235|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|LOL
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_236|[12:36]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_237|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|people that upskirt in SL are weirdos.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_238|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cross-wearable params were the bane of my existance while working on multiwearables
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_239|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hehe
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_240|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hate it when banes are banes
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_241|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me perv cams under Reeds hat.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_242|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me is bald
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_243|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|-.-
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_244|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok, getting off track, which means time for a topic change!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_245|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|weirdos are customers too, lolz, gor is full of those, re-lolz
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_246|[12:37]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cats out of the bag now :
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_247|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Mesh instancing: If I make a zillion copies of a mesh, will they all share the same model asset, such that the model is only downloaded and decoded by the viewer once? Qie 17:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC) "
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_248|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cat?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_249|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|mew
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_250|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx with the new meshes, are there plans for a simple mesh editor to be eventually added to 2.1 for those of us that cant afford big fancy programs like 3dmax?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_251|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if they share the same asset, we should only have to download the asset once
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_252|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cummere blender is free
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_253|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|meshcrafter will be ready soon enough, lolz
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_254|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Cummere - can you add that as a topic?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_255|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|will do everything you need
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_256|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oooh, that could be interesting, provided it does not requre redownload due to physics interaction
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_257|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sure
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_258|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|most of the beta testers were blender users
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_259|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|When did they add instancing??
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_260|[12:38]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so one tree can be used 100 times without the draw lag?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_261|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|wings3D... googlesketchup... also free
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_262|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|<-- Blender beta tester
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_263|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're not doing true instancing, though so it will still cause draw lag
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_264|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Abel, Download lag, you still have to render it
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_265|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it will just be that you only have to download the data once
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_266|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but still render it every time
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_267|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|aye
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_268|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|building modeling tools into the viewer = bad
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_269|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|software bloat
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_270|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it seems silly to download it more than once... provided it doesnt expire from the cache in 2 seconds
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_271|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed - we'll get to it as a separate topic :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_272|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|k
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_273|[12:39]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|So, if I use instancinf in my 3D program it will have a benefit in the rendering in SL?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_274|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks., Nyx, wanted to verify that.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_275|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|np :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_276|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*instancing
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_277|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Agreed, Reed. We don't have a texture editor in-SL either, don't need either.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_278|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we don't do rendering instancing in-world, no
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_279|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|It will help the file size then?
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_280|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Instancing is where, if you download say a tree, and that tree is used 30 times, it is only downloaded once, not 30 times...
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_281|[12:40]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but if you use the same asset multiple times in your build, it will save on the amount of information downloaded
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_282|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thus rez time
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_283|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|like current texture use nyx?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_284|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so basically the tree will load once per LOD
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_285|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|correct Tensai
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_286|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and sim load. :-)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_287|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|So, are you talking about copies of the same mesh on a SIM?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_288|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yea, it seems silly not to do Instancing
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_289|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes Ashasekayi
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_290|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:flimsey_freenote}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|for instance always use default transparent because it comes loaded
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_291|[12:41]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Ah ok... I misunderstood you.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_292|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|great question!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_293|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|question is, will we be able to deform that mesh... if so, one download deformed for variance is how alot of games handle this problem
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_294|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|You'll be able to resize, retexture, and affect face properties
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_295|[12:42]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yay, so we can zombie invasion a sim without logging in a mob of bots! (-;
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_296|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:dahlia_trimble}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no morphing from what I've heard, but you can scale
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_297|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and your zombies will have less verts than default avatar
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_298|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|being the owner of a forest sim... I certianly endorse instancing
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_299|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|provided you model them that way
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_300|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|true deformation would require separate assets
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_301|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm sure that's the thought in a lot of avatar creators' minds, since if the mesh is static, it effectively destroys the ability for the customer to mod it.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_302|[12:43]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and show one face only at once for a 8-step anim cycle?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_303|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Heidi - I think of meshes as new more expressive prims you can use.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_304|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so if you make items out of a collection of mesh pieces, then those pieces can still be resized / moved around like normal prims
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_305|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that are also unrestricted by scale
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_306|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_307|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Sounds like a blast. Has open beta, uh... opened?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_308|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|for now....
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_309|[12:44]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, will there be new LSL functions for mesh (or is that "add it to the agenda" material?)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_310|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Heidi - not yet, announcement of when the open beta will be will be sometime in the next week. watch the blogs :)
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_311|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Jonathan - its related to the next topic!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_312|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Mesh animation: Assuming the above-mentioned model asset exists, will a script be able to change the model in a rezzed mesh object to achieve the kind of "animation" that we get by swapping sculptmaps? (Or is some other form of mesh animation supported?) Qie 17:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC) "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_313|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so topic 6: instancing, I say YES
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_314|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me shudders at this topic
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_315|[12:45]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|O.o
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_316|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|o.o
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_317|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx, we're all going to want to be able to upload skeletons w/ our object not meant for wearing, but for prancing around as creatures/animals/etc
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_318|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that's a horribly expensive way to do animation - both for bandwidth and rendering reasons
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_319|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|eventually
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_320|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍ people will want to animate them it seems a brute force method though
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_321|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed - skeletons are on the agenda, we'll get tot hem
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_322|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but until that happens, what dude just mentioned is what you're going to get :
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_323|[12:46]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|k
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_324|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|It wil happen though if they don't add custom skeletons.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_325|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Contagious' idea is very interesting... although it means a very exotic mesh, with only one face/UV map at a time.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_326|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'd much rather people upload their meshes as different pieces and move the pieces around to animate
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_327|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it will be much easier to have permanently loaded sculpts who make 7 out of 8 textures transparent and the 8th is the frame you're using. No mesh reload cycles then.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_328|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, we all know how clunky that looks
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_329|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Or for non-avatar objects, unless skeletons are planned for objects.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_330|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, very slow and horriable timing prolem.s
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_331|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that seems a more pliable way
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_332|[12:47]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|That wouldn't work in a morphing situation though.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_333|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai - as opposed to downloading a separate mesh for each frame of the animation? o.0
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_334|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, ever hear of preloading?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_335|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|preload would be a good thing here.. or deformations... people will want to do it, or the product will flop
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_336|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no, he's never heard of preloading.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_337|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|the problem becomes sync with other mesh, which is currently not garanteed and usually wrong by a small bit if you llTextureAnim, so people use laggy script for each frame instead.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_338|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|pfft.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_339|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Preload the extra meshes. Look at some of Curious' avatars, or almost any furry avatar these days, and you'll see it.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_340|[12:48]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me is being sarcastic
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_341|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Seawolf dragon just started to use that for the neck animation.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_342|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|preloading still requires you to download way too much data for the effect you're trying to have
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_343|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_344|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I agree
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_345|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|unless you reuse the effect in a scene
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_346|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Does it make any sense to ask if meshes can be set to Flexi?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_347|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no flexi meshes
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_348|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that would be a mess?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_349|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no, a mesh
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_350|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aargle_zymurgy}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:-)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_351|[12:49]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|theres no ordered structure to the verts
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_352|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Seamless object animation looks better than trying to do something via a system like the XD prim animator. Plus you have less chance of stuff just plain failing if the sim performance drops more than half a percent.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_353|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you all just preloaded my iris door... didnt hurt did it?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_354|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|meshes belonging to the same animation will be highly correlated. compress them? only transmit diffs?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_355|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|a flexi mesh would just like... explode all funny like
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_356|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|given the current code used to make prims flexi
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_357|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Perhaps the flexi mesh could have a simple cage associated with it.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_358|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai - it burned with the fury of a thousand suns :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_359|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_360|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok, it would explode within the simple cage
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_361|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|LOL
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_362|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but it would still explode
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_363|[12:50]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|That said, what about multiple mesh frames in a single mesh, switching between the layers of it using a texture?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_364|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|for an example of that nyx, the iris there has the light on top for preload, using sculpt replacement at 10 fps
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_365|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nope. That is a similar method to what Blue Mars uses...albeit it more somplex.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_366|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Heidi - mesh frames are more complicated than switching textures....and more bandwidth intensive
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_367|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*complex
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_368|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Ok. If you can't animate a mesh, that what the hell did the beta testers used in the demo video? Animated skupts.?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_369|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|maybe use the solid mesh as some sort of goal
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_370|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|they rigged the mesh to their avatar
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_371|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and then animated their avatar
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_372|[12:51]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I don't think I'm explaining it well...
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_373|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|which is fine because you only have to download a single asset
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_374|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so that the verts aren't allowed to stray too far from their solid counterparts
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_375|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ah, so rigging /is/ supported?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_376|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|how is the rigging done?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_377|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sort of like soft bodies in maya
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_378|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah... mostly I'm trying to cheat some sort of scripted deformation for unattached meshes
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_379|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rex, not very easily :D
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_380|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Looks like it going to have to be rigged to an object and animate it use the old fastion way of curretnl methods.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_381|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rigging is done by adding bone weights to the vertices of the mesh
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_382|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we shouldnt have to 'cheat'
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_383|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:el3ctro_attis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|gosh... so weard game....
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_384|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it sure is
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_385|[12:52]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Ooh, there's an idea Tech - Binding mesh bones to standard prims?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_386|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|welcome to my office hour electro - feel free to join the discussion
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_387|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rigging TO THE AVATAR is supported
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_388|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gooden_uggla}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i think it would be good to remember that a lot of residents (outside the US) have metered bandwidth
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_389|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:el3ctro_attis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Is the point of this game chatting?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_390|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|or to points on a prim even ... then you could animate by chaning prim params
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_391|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:el3ctro_attis}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|or what?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_392|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|So a mesh object would basically have the same sort of rig controls you'd see in Maya, and could be animated via the old prim animation systems.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_393|[12:53]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so like next topic, animator tool makers will want official sample files to know EXACTLY which format to output for efficiency, instead of the current hit and miss of whether one of your friends is in beta
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_394|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|u do the rigging inside the viewer our outside using a 3d editor(like maya, or blender)?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_395|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|outside
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_396|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|You do it outside Rex.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_397|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oh. so is part of the file u load
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_398|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Dunno if that's what you meant, Techwolf, but I -really- like that as a suggested solution to the animation problem.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_399|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rigging is one of the more complex tasks in the 3D content field...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_400|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|eL3cto, this is a vitrial world where you can do anything. Socialize with others, group meeting like here, or play games at other places.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_401|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Rex, yes
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_402|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aida_rieko}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me thinks the point of SL deffinatly falls into the " Or what" catagory
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_403|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rigging makes sense ... and not so badnwidth intensive and also follows through with ttypical 3D modeling for animation principles.. they are industry standard for a reason :) only my humble opinion
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_404|[12:54]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|You rig a copy of the avatar mesh with bones and use weight painting for the joints.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_405|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_406|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|np
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_407|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Rex, look at this tutorial http://blog.machinimatrix.org/
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_408|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i think we're under noob attack?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_409|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rigging is definitely a more efficient way to go
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_410|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me sees hundreds of tiny alts rigged up to make animations for simple effects :(
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_411|[12:55]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Ooph
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_412|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I didn't even think of that.
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_413|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|requests for non-avatar animations might be handled later - we're a bit busy getting the base functionality stable first :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_414|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|"where do Iget teh mOney!"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_415|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Understandably.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_416|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|okay, thanks Nyx.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_417|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|one step at a time! :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_418|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Inworld mesh tool makers demand official mesh sample files so they may fairly compete with each other at having a mesh exporter working first, instead of relying on what the beta testers are sharing with some and not others. This is important in the RL rent-paying level so competition should be encouraged to be fair. "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_419|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx clone yourself and get these projects done!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_420|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_421|[12:56]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|atleast dont limit the steps we have... swapping mesh assets via set params is essential
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_422|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cloning machine is broken :(
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_423|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Copybot yourself?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_424|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|YES!!!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_425|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so write a patch for Nyx!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_426|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(to fair)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_427|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:frozen_rage}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|better than becoming a porn bot right?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_428|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:jonathan_yap}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|What if you wear several meshes on the same point and only (via script) have one visible at a time--that would be cheap animation of sorts
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_429|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai - I'd like to discuss *why* its essential at some point (running out of time now)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_430|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|official mesh sample files?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_431|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Oh... Tensai, it appears those assets are no longer exposed, even in Inventory. :(
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_432|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me nods
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_433|[12:57]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok so on this topic...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_434|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're working on getting our documentation up to par for open beta now
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_435|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, sounds like there need to be open standered basic starting SL compatiable meshes for the avatar makers to start with.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_436|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me will be posting a maya>>second life mesh asset video soon
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_437|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|probably like today
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_438|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|watch our blog
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_439|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|part of that documentation is going to be example objects
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_440|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"| http://www.ChangingWorldsBuildingDreams.com
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_441|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'll be watching for it, Reed.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_442|[12:58]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|just tell me you'll forward the demand for official sample files optimally compatible with SL mesh, so that tool makers are not getting unfair avantages over other by means of linden friendships or bribes (already happened A LOT).
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_443|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me loves maya
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_444|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i was just not in on it
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_445|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|reed, already visiting your blog every fwe days. :-)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_446|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me bribes nyx with <3
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_447|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|The first use for meshes, replaceing the current avatar mesh with something that fixes the croutch area. Ever sit and see horrible streach textrue?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_448|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|in a totally platonic way
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_449|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Time for Oz' OH. cu
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_450|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gooden_uggla}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|geez dude, just bake soome brownies and slip them on nyx's desk
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_451|[12:59]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:boroondas_gupte}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me waves
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_452|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Haha, those lines go together well
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_453|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you can see the status of our documentation effort here: you can see the status of our documentation effort here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mesh
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_454|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|techwolf, you'll be able to fix it
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_455|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if you want
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_456|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx who maintains that? torley?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_457|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|example files are going to be required for open beta, I don't know how far in advance they'll be on the wiki
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_458|[13:00]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed, the first avatar makers that make a compatiable replacment will make a fortune in SL.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_459|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|doc team is currently overloaded, so programmers and the closed beta participants :/
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_460|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, where do we send our mesh tutorials when we are finished?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_461|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so make your own now?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_462|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:techwolf_lupindo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|brb.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_463|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you have the proper UV layout
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_464|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Techwolf - Then it's a matter of selling off content creation rights to skin makers, which is like... Double the money.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_465|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Jeremy did the first pass of documentation, we've been updating it
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_466|[13:01]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|all you'll have to do is wait for the chance to upload it
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_467|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|all our docs are public at this point, so we're not trying to play favorites or anything
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_468|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Just like everybody else will have to.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_469|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:cummere_mayo}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me thinks nyx may need to start adding a seocnd oh during the week ><
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_470|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and we're pushing to go to open beta as soon as we feasibly can
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|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_472|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so my answer to this one is: we're doing all we can :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_473|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:flimsey_freenote}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|good job Nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_474|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i think what you're really saying is that people who know how to model/rig an avatar and have its UV's be compatible w/ SL UV's will have an upper hand
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_475|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|LOL
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_476|[13:02]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_477|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_478|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if that bothers you, learn how to do the same
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_479|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|many of my competitors hold much more priviledged info that that.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_480|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well, if it sticks to the standards, then it shiuld be o trouble
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_481|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*no
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_482|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|NDA is lifted, there isn't any "priviledged info
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_483|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not any more
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_484|[13:03]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|most people know about as much as we do/did
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_485|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Privileged access is what he is worried about
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_486|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well it all depends on which beta tester is willing to give/sell you info which they are denying to others, at this point
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_487|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if there are specific questions you're having trouble finding the answers to, let me know directly and I'll try to get it added to the public documentation
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_488|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and i'm not the sort of content maker that really depends on selling stuff in stores, so i'm pretty unbiased on teh topic
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_489|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|O.o
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_490|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i am on the 'deny' pile right now
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_491|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i'm telling you, throughout open beta, you'll get enough of a foot hold on mesh to even out the odds with everybody else
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_492|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_493|[13:04]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|calm down.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_494|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|open beta will be out soon. If there is any information you're not getting in the meantime, let me know what you need
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_495|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|see?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_496|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes, that will make me a week or two late on people who got closed beta files since a week and a half ago
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_497|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|NDA is lifted so we want to make sure we put as much helpful info in the public docs as possible.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_498|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|other than the closed beta people
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_499|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|they didn't tell us "what the island really was" or "who shot jfk" or "the meaning of life" in closed beta
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_500|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ya and don't you forget it lol
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_501|[13:05]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Unreal.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_502|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tell me what info you're lacking and I'll get it. plain and simple.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_503|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|who shot jfk?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_504|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_505|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|classified Reed.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_506|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Contagious: on the plus side, it's unlikely any of this will ever get backported to a 1.x viewer, so the market will be small at first anyway.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_507|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ohhhhh!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_508|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|allright, i'll make a list.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_509|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx? How do we subit a tutorial to documentation? (sorry if you already answered it.)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_510|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|How do other attachments play with mesh avatars?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_511|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you will see the biggest mass exodus to 2.x when mesh comes about
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_512|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:contagious_republic}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|qie: yes i am aware only noobs use 2.0 so far.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_513|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Are you still able to attach items to standard attach points then?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_514|[13:06]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*submit
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_515|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me uses 2.0
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_516|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me isn't a noob :(
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_517|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Yes Heidi
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_518|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Ash: if you get a tutorial together send it to me or add it to the wiki :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_519|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai: I dunno. Shared Media is amazing, but nobody went to 2.x because of it.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_520|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|media on a prim is too cool of a feature to give up!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_521|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Ok. Good deal.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_522|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok I'll stay late to try to get to the rest of the topics if you guys can stick around - I'll be going through them fast though :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_523|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i guess that 2.0 depends on the eye of the beholder
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_524|[13:07]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yay nyx!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_525|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|If I don't get to something in enough detail you guys can re-add them to next week's agenda
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_526|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well. the next time somebody hacks your computer using media on a prim, is going to be interesting. think of the latest tweet hack:)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_527|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|2.X has improved since it was first unvieled
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_528|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me is on linux
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_529|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "Simple question: Will we be able to make avatars larger and smaller than the current SL avatar if we use the same joint layout? "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_530|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|soon it will be unviled
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_531|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not that linux is impenetrable.... but i mean... .chances are far less.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_532|[13:08]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_533|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're working on bone offsets - the ability to resize the avatar bones. Nothing guaranteed, but we're working on it.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_534|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cough ... I went to v2 for MEDIA
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_535|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:heidi_fairport}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed - So it's like Windows ME? So difficult to make something malicious that's compatible with it that it's not worth the trouble?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_536|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so what size will a mesh AV be then?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_537|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|heidi, yeah pretty much
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_538|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|guys can we focus on the agenda topics for a few more minutes please? :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_539|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me looks down at ishkiia.. cant wait for it ̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_540|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it wont resize with sliders
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_541|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hanna - what size do you want it? :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_542|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|not enough of a population using it to pay attention to i suppose :D
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_543|[13:09]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|LOL
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_544|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_545|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|like shorter than me :p
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_546|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you'll have to use animations to resize the avatar
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_547|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ORDER IN THE COURT!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_548|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|focus people focus
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_549|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hacky, but it could work :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_550|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i want to be a GIANT praying mantis
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_551|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|64 meteres tall
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_552|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i mean before you add offsets....how tall will an imported avatar be?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_553|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I've heard it will have adjustable scaling...
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_554|[13:10]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I would not want such large laggy avatars walking around :S
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_555|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aida_rieko}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I would be happy if at my current size, I don't sink into the floor when I sit.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_556|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|why would it be laggy?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_557|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if its a rigged avatar, it will depend on the size of the skeleton.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_558|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if its low poly, its low poly, independent of scale
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_559|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and what size you imported the mesh as.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_560|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|avatar complexity is a good topic for next week :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_561|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me nods.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_562|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yep, it is
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_563|[13:11]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me nods...
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_564|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it sounded like you contradicted yourself Nyx...so im obviously not understanding
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_565|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i want to use the standard SL joints...just close together to be short
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_566|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hanna - can discuss it after I get through the last few topics?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_567|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sure ok...sorry :))
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_568|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: People are sad that they are restricted to default avatar skeleton when rigging meshes :(
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_569|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thats mine
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_570|[13:12]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|!
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_571|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|default skeleton - true, but bone offsets will let us resize the bones
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_572|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|lol
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_573|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but i NEED antlers that move
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_574|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:(
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_575|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if you want a different skeletal structure, I have this to say: one step at a time :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_576|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so just to clarify
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_577|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and what will the 20 armed tentacle demons do?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_578|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're preparing for open beta. we're not "done"
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_579|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_580|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cheers nyx on witht he one step at a time
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_581|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|something like that will probably happen, eventually?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_582|[13:13]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed: antlers that move: can we hack animation on the hair length "bone" ?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_583|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we want to get the *basic* functionality into everybody's hands first, and then see what additional features are most requested
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_584|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ahhh. i was looking forward to having 2 more arms;)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_585|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_586|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i'll be quoting you on our blog, is that ok?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_587|[13:14]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed: depends on the popularity of the request, what resources we have, how difficult it is to do technically
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_588|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so the default skeleton for now, other skeletons would be a project for later that we'd have to design, put on our backlog, and prioritize
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_589|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so I can't promise anything :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_590|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|quotable/
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_591|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_592|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but I recognize that its a popular request :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_593|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yeah
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_594|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|considering i bring it up every time i see you guys :D
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_595|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|just wanted a public, official answer
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_596|[13:15]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|just include the bit that I'm not promising everything please :P
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_597|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*anything
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_598|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|kk
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_599|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cant promise a feature? *cough windlight cough*
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_600|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: one more mesh q. IS the texture in the mesh collada file going to be limited to 1024x1024 as with all other textures?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_601|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|answer: yes.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_602|[13:16]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok, may i expand that a litle bit?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_603|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|pelase
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_604|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*please
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_605|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i noticed while watching the timmi allen iveo, his building had much deeper textures then that of the main grid. id this somethingthat WAS available in the closed grid but wont be open to the main grid?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_606|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Is there a way to limit by Powers, not exact resolution? I mean 2048x512 would be handy as well the loads of other options
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_607|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you can apply more than one texture file to a mesh object
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_608|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|sort of like UV tiles
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_609|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Tensai: not right now :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_610|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|google that
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_611|[13:17]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ishkiia_demar}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm sorry I need to go as much as I would like to stay.. .. thanks Nyx for your time and all that you do... create a great day everyone.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_612|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bibi Ishkila
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_613|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me waves to Ishkiia
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_614|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Ishkiia
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_615|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|next topic: "nyx with the new meshes, are there plans for a simple mesh editor to be eventually added to 2.1 for those of us that cant afford big fancy programs like 3dmax? "
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_616|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_617|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|answer: no.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_618|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thank god
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_619|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we haven't integrated photoshop into the viewer either.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_620|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|with good reason
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_621|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there is a few free ones out on the mrket that can be used
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_622|[13:18]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there are free alternatives that are pretty good
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_623|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|blender, like 90% of the beta testers use that
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_624|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I started using wings3D last night, its pretty easy to pick up
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_625|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i think theres like 2 other people besides myself using maya
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_626|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|u don't need to integrate PS into the viewer, u just need the viewer to be able to communicate with PS, blender, maya... :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_627|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|3DS Dos.. the only way ;)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_628|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i don't know of any of them using 3dsmax
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_629|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|wings3D is pretty easy to grasp
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_630|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Nyx, nobody comes to SL so they can use the viewer to make 2D pictures.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_631|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me uses Maya
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_632|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and blender is releaseing a new version ALF
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_633|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|blender is more powerful
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_634|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Blender is professional grade if you can master it
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_635|[13:19]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it seems to be a better UI then the current one
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_636|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i don't know if wings will do rigging
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_637|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|blender does
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_638|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Qie - yet textures are important to building in SL now yes?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_639|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Winds doesn't do rigging.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_640|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|*Wings
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_641|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes, but it's not part of what sells SL: being able to do 2D graphics
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_642|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|The only free one for rigging is Blender as far as I know.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_643|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|being able to immerse in 3D social building *has* sold SL
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_644|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|wings will be very helpful for those people making shoes and other assorted objects
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_645|[13:20]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|would be cool if maya/3dsmax/blender/whatever could communicate with the viewer tho, i'll admit..... you know, like how unity 3d commincaates with those same programs
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_646|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|or like Zbrush and say... Maya communicate via GoZ
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_647|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|hehe...GoZ for SL.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_648|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there will still be plenty to do and build in 3D with mesh - you just need to upload pieces that you assemble and construct in-world
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_649|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|That would be cool.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_650|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|exactly
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_651|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|any changes to the object in maya are instantly reflected on the mesh object in world
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_652|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we don't have the time, resources, budget, etc to compete with 3D modelers, and the viewer is complicated enough already
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_653|[13:21]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that would be awesome
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_654|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|develope a plugin ssystem for the viewer
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_655|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|a bridge
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_656|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Reed: I'd love to see an OS dev write an interface for that to happen :)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_657|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|let residents figure the "bridge" code out for themselves
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_658|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Local assets, ala phoenix.. that would do it
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_659|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|okay, Nyx, but you're leaving one market for another. If that market isn't where you think it is, there are rough times ahead.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_660|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'm sure a TPV might do it.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_661|[13:22]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|cough cough qarl is writing plugin code cough cough
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_662|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Is Qarl working with a TPV?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_663|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|where is qarl?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_664|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Qie: would you prefer we hold off on releasing mesh for another 3 years to integrate an editor that would be less powerful than what's out there now?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_665|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i say nay!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_666|[13:23]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(,,, didn't ask me, but nuuuuuu)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_667|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|rex, all lindens go to heaven
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_668|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we don't really need integration! we actully need communication:)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_669|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no, don't have to hold off... don't have to build anything, except expose a mesh-manipulation messaging to the viewer, and let TPVs build it from Blender scraps or whatever
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_670|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you can see him on fridays at 11 SLT
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_671|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tho
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_672|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I'd be happy to review patches for such a framework if a TPV dev wanted to work on one
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_673|[13:24]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|See him where?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_674|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we don't have time to write such a framework ourselves right now.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_675|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok, i've got to go
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_676|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_677|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks for sticking around
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_678|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok, getting close to half an hour over, I have work to get to
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_679|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|any last-minute questions?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_680|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|SLAVE FOR US
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_681|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|SLAVE THE CODE
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_682|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_683|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oh one more....
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_684|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks for the meeting Nyx.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_685|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|really fast one
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_686|[13:25]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|were you going to explain my question to me Nyx?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_687|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:gregory_wellman}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Cya Reed
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_688|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|what wa sthe liltations on polys for mesh again? as per prim count
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_689|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|no offence, but I would personally like to see what the TPV do... they have suprised us time and time again... good and bad
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_690|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Later Reed
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_691|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_692|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:bronson_blackadder}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Abel its still in flux
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_693|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ah i figured as much
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_694|[13:26]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|65k polys is max, but that would result in a *lot* of prims for that mesh
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_695|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i am doing division to see what i make in mesh and what it would be primwise inworld
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_696|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|the way we compute how many prims a mesh would be is still under debate / in flux
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_697|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|well i mean polys per prim
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_698|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hanna - yes
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_699|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|kk
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_700|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Abel - its not quite that simple :D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_701|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you guys should lower that limit IMHO
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_702|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i heard at one point itwas 512
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_703|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|which would make it fit in nicely with sculpts and prim prims
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_704|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|that's not accurate.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_705|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|leaving them stil viable
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_706|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|(as long as it doesnt break a phsics when a mesh says 35 prims ̗̀:̩̍)̵̩̩̍
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_707|[13:27]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok i guess i will wait another week
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_708|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tyty, have to run.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_709|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:genej_composer}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Appreciate your time; what you do.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_710|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|its more complicated than that - I'll try to get more info over the next week
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_711|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:abel_dreamscape}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thank you nyx.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_712|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Hanna - ok, back to skeletons
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_713|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_714|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|what specifically was the question?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_715|[13:28]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|tc nyx
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_716|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so i thought i understood...that i have to wait till bone offset till i can make a smaller avatar than the current shortest one
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_717|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but then you said if i make a smaller mesh
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_718|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|correct.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_719|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|it will work
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_720|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:reed_steamroller}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|bye nyx!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_721|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ahh
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_722|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so this is for a rigged mesh specifically, right?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_723|[13:29]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|yes i dont know what other kind there is
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_724|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|oh. i though u were leaving:)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_725|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but i can rig and stuff
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_726|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|meshes don't have to be rigged to the skeleton - you can have a mesh that is static and doesn't deform based on the skeleton
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_727|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if you do that you can make your avatar any size
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_728|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|right ok
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_729|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ooh
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_730|[13:30]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|like a tiny now
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_731|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if you want it to move with your avatar's skeleton, then you need to have your avatar mesh be close to the scale of your skeleton
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_732|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|i guess
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_733|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|which you should be able to modify using bone offsets
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_734|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|so what happens if you move sliders while wearing your custom rigged mesh?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_735|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|does it deform?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_736|[13:31]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|we're working on it actively, no promises but I'm hopeful :)
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_737|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if the sliders affect the skeleton it will deform.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_738|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|like height etc
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_739|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_740|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|if the sliders you're moving affect something that isn't a skeletal change, then it won't have any effect
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_741|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|and weights are pulled from the collada?
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_742|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|correct
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_743|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_744|[13:32]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thank you Nyx!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_745|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|there's a limit on the number of weights a given vertex can have (how many bones its weighted to)
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_746|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:tensai_hilra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me wonders how long it will take for tasseled western wear to become popular
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_747|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|I *think* the limit is 4, but I'm unsure
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_748|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|right ok
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_749|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|but that is probably fine
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_750|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me is glad you are short too so you maybe will push this issue
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_751|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|:p
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_752|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|ok anything else?
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_753|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:qie_niangao}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks, Nyx.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_754|[13:33]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|thanks all for coming!
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_755|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|have a great week everyone :D
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_756|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:ashasekayi_ra}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks Nyx. Take care.
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_757|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:aida_rieko}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|Thanks Nyx.
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_758|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:hanna_lockwood}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|you too bybye everbody
|-style="background-color: #D7DEE7;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_759|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:rex_cronon}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|have fun nyx
|-style="background-color: #C7D4E4;"
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px;"|[[#msg_760|[13:34]]]
|style="white-space: nowrap; padding:0 3px; text-align: right; vertical-align: top;"|{{#var:nyx_linden}}:
|width=100% style=" padding:0 3px;"|/me heads off to get some work done.
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