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User:Vindice VanDornan

2009-10-19T13:30:50Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and since those days I felt in love with the whole thing that means SL. Yes, a lot of people are in for the fun, money, sex, ... and they are great; but I really like for all and above all for SL. Still my time in SL is short of one year, and liking it for all could prove difficult to keep up. It is true that I really think that SL is making good marks on steps and pace.

I had a RL schedule, as we all have, and sometimes it may get very tight. Then, my time in world could be very short. Anyway, I am enjoining SL and I keep an eye on my next time slot for SL.

I like the community that I found when I joined SL, and that was one of reason that made SL important for me. I would like to contribute to it and also with it, and I will do as my possibilities could fit the needs. I joined the Volunteers Program, and I hope that soon I will do my part.

My mother language is Spanish, and I could communicate in English. The typing is slower and the misspelling higher ... lol ... but I like to meet people from around the world. I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on any language.

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Aqui mi Dashboard[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/Dashboard].

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User:Vindice VanDornan

2009-10-19T13:30:12Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and since those days I felt in love with the whole thing that means SL. Yes, a lot of people are in for the fun, money, sex, ... and they are great; but I really like for all and above all for SL. Still my time in SL is short of one year, and liking it for all could prove difficult to keep up. It is true that I really think that SL is making good marks on steps and pace.

I had a RL schedule, as we all have, and sometimes it may get very tight. Then, my time in world could be very short. Anyway, I am enjoining SL and I keep an eye on my next time slot for SL.

I like the community that I found when I joined SL, and that was one of reason that made SL important for me. I would like to contribute to it and also with it, and I will do as my possibilities could fit the needs. I joined the Volunteers Program, and I hope that soon I will do my part.

My mother language is Spanish, and I could communicate in English. The typing is slower and the misspelling higher ... lol ... but I like to meet people from around the world. I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on any language.

I had a SL's fan blog, it is in Spanish. If you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just visit [http://vindi.wordpress.com my blog].

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Aqui mi Dashboard[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/Dashboard].

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New Resident Experience Observations

2007-08-25T17:57:13Z

Vindice VanDornan: /* Orientation Islands */

Please list suggestions below based on your observations of the new resident experience. While no changes to Orientation Islands or Help Islands are planned at this time due to resources, it would be good to compile information for possible future use!
*Tips and tricks used to help resolve new user issues welcome here as well as in the notecard library.

==Help Islands==

* The sign on the HI's is broken (no hand) and is recognized by only 1% of the new residents landing there. The information in there isn't very helpfull either besides explaining what roles there are in SL (Lindens, Volunteers, Mentors...). Personally I hand them a note on arrival. It is about what they can learn on the HI's and what goals they should have reached before using the Exit. For most this seems to work fine. They do not ask 'where am I and what do I do here?', neither most them do not run for the Exit right away (there will always be exceptions).

I never like to have to switch to a website for information (besides it usually makes me crash also). Information should be in-world. Not on websites or in Wiki's only. Most new residents have no clue about the existance either. Context sensitive help would be great, but most likely hard to implement. A more simple solution could be notecards. For instance, if there would be an 'information wall' with loads of notecards about various subjects on the HI's, that would save everyone a lot of (basic) questions. Information availability will also encourage trying things in reverse. All that would also be available for the times when there are no mentors on the HI's. If all would be there in multiple languages also, it would even be better. - [[User:Lisa Lowe|Lisa Lowe]] 22 August 2007

==Orientation Islands==
* Please get rid of this self guided approach. Go to a linear approach for the basic 4 tasks and then have the hub self pick at the end of completing the 4 tasks to enhance there skills. --[[User:Destiny Niles|Destiny Niles]] 17:44, 15 August 2007 (PDT)

* Allow an option to enter the player's native language on sign-up. This would get automatically inserted into the avatar profile to allow us to get them help in their language more efficiently. This information could also be used to pre-sort new avatars to language-localized orientation islands. [[User:Warda Kawabata|Warda Kawabata]] 22:11, 15 August 2007 (PDT)

* I agree with getting rid of the self guided approach. The first time I mentored, I thought "Hey I'll go to OI because that's the first place new accounts show up." When I got there, I found a slew of newbies who had absolutely no idea what they were supposed to do, and even the ones who had figured out what to do had no idea how to leave OI. I had to explain several times how to click on the sign and obtain a LM to exit the island. It was so overwhelming, I stayed away from OI for several days. Newbies often have no idea that something as simple as a pole or a sign can contain other objects like notecards and landmarks. Help Island is a little better, with the big rotating EXIT sign, but again if they didn't learn how to use landmarks or how to find them in their inventory, even that can be of little help. Personally, when I started SL, there was an option upon creating your account to select having a greeter, or having a mentor to guide you. Then you got to pick from a handful of available mentors by reading their little profile and choosing who you thought would best be able to help you. I thought that was still in existance when I applied to be a mentor, and fully expected that to be part of my mentor experience. I would love to be able to log in to something saying that I am available and being contacted when somebody has chosen to have me guide them. If there is a certain reason this was taken away, I'm unaware of it, so somebody could shoot me a message and let me know why :) I've also noticed that although we have over 1000 mentors in the program, any time I arrive at HI or OI to help, I am the ONLY mentor there! Only one time have I seen another mentor around when I was helping. I think it would help a lot if that system was started again, and that would hook up newbies with available mentors. The language problems could be solved this way too, as each mentor's volunteer profile would state their languages, so the newby could choose the mentor that they already know speaks their language. This could also weed out any mentors that don't do any volunteering for a certain period of time, so we would know when more volunteers are needed. --Buttercup Doolittle

* I do not agree with removing the selfpaced guide on the OI's. Though there are lots of volunteers, only a handfull will be actively mentoring, so there will never be enough mentors for all the OI's. Probably the reason why the guide is there anyway. Just too many new residents joining every day.

However the use of the Guide should be clear before the even join. And in their own language would be a great idea also (only 3 now). I see too many wander around not knowing what to do there because they lost the hud (crashes/technical problems), do not recognize it, do not understand it or otherwise lost track. Using clearly visible signs they should be able to fix that themselves. As stated under HI's about 'information walls', there should be information available also about things learned in the Guide.

At the moment the giant Help Island sign is a nice escape for the ones lost on the OI's. But when things work ok, it shouldn't be less clear in sight. They should be sort of 'forced' to do the Guide instead and find the key to the HI. You can also compare this to other games that have various skill-levels. You are required to do a whole level first before entering a new one. The challenge quickly improves your skills and will enhance the user experience. - [[User:Lisa Lowe|Lisa Lowe]] 22 August 2007

* Although a one to one help would be great, it seems to me that we could not assure that a Mentor will be available when they rezz. I agree as well with the selfpaced guide on the OI's. This new approach it seems to me a lot more complete and fun than the linear approach that we had before. However, what we find on OI's is that new users don't understand that those are the basic skills for their every day life in world. And we should understand it as a common issue with all users of a new application: we want to jump using it right away. So, I would say that it may be good letting them know from start about what the OI's is for, how the process will be and how long it could take to finish it, stressing that as soon they finish it, they will be able to jump in world. With OIHUD they could know how their progressions is towards finishing it, but it is not clear enough for newbies. In addition, having a clear exit sign on OI's could help them both to keep trying to finish tutorials as well as an easy way to find their next station. Also, we could give them some incentives too. Besides the "succeed gesture" when they finish a task, others incentives could be some freebies related to their just learned skills. We know that they will get a lot of freebies, maybe more that they could handle in their inventory, but it may help them to keep towards finishing it.--[[User:Vindice VanDornan|Vindice VanDornan]] 10:57, 25 August 2007 (PDT)

User:Vindice VanDornan

2007-04-14T21:07:27Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and since those days I felt in love with the whole thing that means SL. Yes, a lot of people are in for the fun, money, sex, ... and they are great; but I really like for all and above all for SL. Still my time in SL is short of one year, and liking it for all could prove difficult to keep up. It is true that I really think that SL is making good marks on steps and pace.

I had a RL schedule, as we all have, and sometimes it may get very tight. Then, my time in world could be very short. Anyway, I am enjoining SL and I keep an eye on my next time slot for SL.

I like the community that I found when I joined SL, and that was one of reason that made SL important for me. I would like to contribute to it and also with it, and I will do as my possibilities could fit the needs. I joined the Volunteers Program, and I hope that soon I will do my part.

My mother language is Spanish, and I could communicate in English. The typing is slower and the misspelling higher ... lol ... but I like to meet people from around the world. I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on any language.

I had a SL's fan blog, it is in Spanish. If you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just visit [http://vindi.wordpress.com my blog].

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Aqui mi Dashboard[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/Dashboard].

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User:Vindice VanDornan/Dashboard

2007-03-20T23:00:38Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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Wiki anterior del programa de Voluntarios [http://sliki.info/wiki/Main_Page]

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'Proyecto internacionalización:[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:I18n |I18n]'

Normas para la traducción:
**nomenclatura de páginas y vínculos,
**proceso para la traducción.

**Los dos estilos de creación de páginas:
***Estilo previo [https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/GUIA_SL_FAQs |GUIA_SL_FAQs].
***'''Actual''' [https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Help:Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa | Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa]
*** (la página esta anidada en la inglesa, de origen.)

Documentos a traducir:
Hay parte de las notecards traducidas,
(Vínculos a documentos traducidos.)
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'A concretar'.
Graduación de las traducciones existentes:
***Calidad,
***importancia,
Palabras no traducibles

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Aqui la página de [[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/hcard | hcard]].

User:Vindice VanDornan

2007-03-20T22:59:36Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and since those days I felt in love with the whole thing that means SL. Yes, a lot of people are in for the fun, money, sex, ... and they are great; but I really like for all and above all for SL. Still my time in SL is short of one year, and liking it for all could prove difficult to keep up. It is true that I really think that SL is making good marks on steps and pace.

I had a RL schedule, as we all do too, and sometimes it may get very tight. Then, my time in world could be very short. Anyway, I am enjoining SL and I keep an eye on my next time slot for SL.

I like the community that I found when I joined SL, and that was one of reason that made SL important for me. I would like to contribute to it and also with it, and I will do as my possibilities could fit the needs. I joined the Volunteers Program, and I hope that soon I will do my part.

My mother language is Spanish, and I could communicate in English. The typing is slower and the misspelling higher ... lol ... but I like to meet people from around the world. I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on any language.

I had a SL's fan blog, it is in Spanish. If you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just visit [http://vindi.wordpress.com my blog].

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Aqui mi Dashboard[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/Dashboard].

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User:Vindice VanDornan

2007-03-20T12:20:32Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and since those days I felt in love with the whole thing that means SL. Yes, a lot of people are in for the fun, money, sex, ... and they are great; but I really like for all and above all for SL. Still my time in SL is short of one year, and liking it for all could prove difficult to keep up. It is true that I really think that SL is making good marks on steps and pace.

I had a RL schedule, as we all do too, and sometimes it may get very tight. Then, my time in world could be very short. Anyway, I am enjoining SL and I keep an eye on my next time slot for SL.

I like the community that I found when I joined SL, and that was one of reason that made SL important for me. I would like to contribute to it and also with it, and I will do as my possibilities could fit the needs. I joined the Volunteers Program, and I hope that soon I will do my part.

My mother language is Spanish, and I could communicate in English. The typing is slower and the misspelling higher ... lol ... but I like to meet people from around the world. I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on any language.

I had a SL's fan blog, it is in Spanish. If you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just visit [http://vindi.wordpress.com my blog].

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Aqui la página de [[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/hcard | hcard]].

Aqui mi Dashboard[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/Dashboard].

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User:Vindice VanDornan/Dashboard

2007-03-19T23:00:25Z

Vindice VanDornan:

User:Vindice VanDornan/Dashboard

2007-03-19T22:59:53Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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Wiki anterior del programa de Voluntarios [http://sliki.info/wiki/Main_Page]

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'Proyecto internacionalización:[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:I18n |I18n]'

Normas para la traducción:
**nomenclatura de páginas y vínculos,
**proceso para la traducción.

**Los dos estilos de creación de páginas:
***Estilo previo [https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/GUIA_SL_FAQs |GUIA_SL_FAQs].
***'''Actual''' [https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Help:Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa | Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa]
*** (la página esta anidada en la inglesa, de origen.)

Documentos a traducir:
Hay parte de las notecards traducidas,
(Vínculos a documentos traducidos.)
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'A concretar.'
Graduación de las traducciones existentes:
***Calidad,
***importancia,
Palabras no traducibles

User:Vindice VanDornan

2007-03-19T22:52:16Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and since those days I felt in love with the whole thing that means SL. Yes, a lot of people are in for the fun, money, sex, that they are great; but I really like for all and above all for SL. Still my time it is short of one year, and liking it for all could prove difficult to keep up. It is true that I really think that SL is making good marks on steps and pace.

I had a RL schedule, as we all do too, and sometimes it may get very tight. Then, my time in world could be very short. Anyway, I am enjoining SL and I keep an eye on my next time slot for SL.

I like the community that I found when I joined SL, and that was one of reason that made SL important for me. I would like to contribute to it and also with it, and I will do as my possibilities could fit the needs. I joined the Volunteers Program, and I hope that soon I will do my part.

My mother language is Spanish, and I could communicate in English. The typing is slower and the misspelling higher ... lol ... but I like to meet people from around the world. I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on any language.

I had a SL's fan blog, it is in Spanish. If you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just visit [http://vindi.wordpress.com my blog].

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Aqui la página de [[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/hcard | hcard]].

Aqui mi Dashboard[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/Dashboard].

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User:Vindice VanDornan

2007-03-19T22:48:01Z

Vindice VanDornan: Cambio de presentación

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and since those days I felt in love with the whole thing that means SL. Yes, a lot of people are in for the fun, money, sex, that it is great, but I really like for all and above all for SL. Still my time it is short of one year, and liking it for all could prove difficult to keep up. It is true that I really think that SL is making good marks on steps and pace.

I had a RL schedule, as we all do too, and sometimes it may get very tight. Then, my time in world could be very short. Anyway, I am enjoining SL and I keep an eye on my next time slot for SL.

I like the community that I found when I joined SL, and that was one of reason that made SL important for me. I would like to contribute to it and also with it, and I will do as my possibilities could fit the needs. I joined the Volunteers Program, and I hope that soon I will do my part.

My mother language is Spanish, and I could communicate on English. The typing is slower and the misspelling higher ... lol ... but I like to meet people from around the world. I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than just on any language.

I had a SL's fan blog, it is in Spanish. If you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just [http://vindi.wordpress.com visit my blog].

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Aqui la página de [[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/hcard | hcard]].

Aqui mi Dashboard[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/Dashboard].

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User:Vindice VanDornan/Dashboard

2007-02-28T22:25:18Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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Wiki anterior del programa de Voluntarios [http://sliki.info/wiki/Main_Page]

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'Proyecto internacionalización:[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:I18n |I18n]'

Normas para la traducción: nomenclatura de páginas y vínculos, proceso para la traducción.
Documentos a traducir: Hay parte de las notecards traducidas, más abajo dos vínculos a documentos traducidos.

Los dos estilos de creación de páginas:
[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/GUIA_SL_FAQs |GUIA_SL_FAQs] Estilo previo.

[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Help:Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa | Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa] '''Actual''', la página esta anidada en la inglesa de origen.

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'A concretar'
Graduación de las traducciones existentes: Calidad, importancia,
Palabras no traducibles

User talk:SignpostMarv Martin/Sandbox/Project:Internationalisation/List of communities

2007-02-28T20:21:22Z

Vindice VanDornan: I accepted this proposal

== multi-lingual articles ==

As Second Life, and thus the SL Wiki is a multi-lingual community, some structure to translates articles should be implemented.

This is my proposal.

# Create the English-language article in <nowiki>[[foo]]</nowiki>
# Create translated versions of the article in <nowiki>[[foo/lang-code]]</nowiki>, where "lang-code" is the ISO 639-3 language code for that language, e.g. [[foo/spa]]

=== Examples ===
* [[GUIA SL FAQs]] moves to [[Help:Second Life FAQ/spa]] (and the german version to [[Help:Second Life FAQ/deu]] and so on)
* [[GUIA - Gestos]] moves to [[Help:Gestures/spa]] and so on.
* [[Geld]] gets translated into english, with the translated version being put in [[Help:Linden Dollar]], and [[Geld]] being moved to [[Help:Linden Dollar/deu]]

<hr />

If enough people agree with this proposal, I would suggest we keep to the Help articles to begin with- this will give a highly focused sandbox for developing the processes for translating, moving and requesting articles to be translated. I'll also go into more detail with the ideas I have for '''Project:Internationalisation'''.

I think it's a given why the English language version of an article should be the "root" article, although if anyone disagrees or would like my opinion on the matter, feel free to say so! :-)

[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 22:33, 10 February 2007 (PST)
:After looking into the matter, I've concluded that using IS0 639-3 codes will be better in the long run, although if anyone disagrees, please do so before the end of the month, as efforts will likely be too far entrenched in ISO 639-3 to reverse.
:[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 18:54, 15 February 2007 (PST)
:: <shrugs> I'm okay with any of the codes per se, as long as they don't change for at least a year or two once fixed down. Also: referencing to these codes has to be provided so that less technically-oriented volunteers can get an idea of how to work with them.
As an aside, I'd like initial translations of the SL FAQ and KB into other languages by volunteers and Lindens to start by agreeing on common, pleasant-sounding (as much as possible) terms in each language. I've been rolling L$ into Chinese in several guises, and "Lime Money/Dollar" doesn't have the same sort of oomph... other languages may face the same issue... --[[User:Patchouli Woollahra|Patchouli Woollahra]] 00:18, 20 February 2007 (PST)
:::ISO codes shouldn't change. The reason I'm advocating 639-3 is that it supports ''more'' languages than 639-2, which was what [[Template:languages-spoken]] currently uses. I'll be upgrading it soon''ish'' to use 639-3 and [[Template:ISO 639-3/native]].
:::With regards to the "lime money/dollar" issue, use the symbol "L$", and when explaining it unabbreviated, consider it a non-translatable trademark (e.g. the reason why you can easily order a "Coca Cola" anywhere in the world).
:::[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 07:11, 20 February 2007 (PST)

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I don't know what are the usual guidelines for big Wikis (Wikipedia.org guidelines are the first obvious example): I would follow those structures. But your idea definitevely makes sense, and I also agree with english articles namespace being "root" to translations. (oh, and is me editing this page the correct way to approach your proposal? thanks :) --[[User:Signore Iredell|Signore Iredell]] 12:01, 15 February 2007 (PST)
:: Yes this would be the correct way :-)
:: [[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 15:07, 15 February 2007 (PST)

I agree with your proposal about what standard we should use. Also, with your proposal, it seems that it will be easier to follow through the translation process. However, title still have to be translate. So, I guess we could still use to name links within a translated document. For instance, "en este documento [[Help:Gestures/spa | Guía:Gestos]] encontras"--[[User:Vindice VanDornan|Vindice VanDornan]] 13:05, 22 February 2007 (PST)
:: Although most of the sites are using the two-letter standard, and I use myself "es" for Spanish, I would go ahead with a three-letter standard. It may be a bit confusing or disturbing, at the beginning, for some people; but you get use to it and it will be transparent for end user. If you think that we have two to three main languages within Spain that they would expect SL to be translate to, it makes sense to go for this standard now.
:: --[[User:Vindice VanDornan|Vindice VanDornan]] 12:21, 28 February 2007 (PST)

User:Vindice VanDornan/Dashboard

2007-02-24T00:55:05Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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Wiki anterior del programa de Voluntarios [http://sliki.info/wiki/Main_Page]

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'Proyecto internacionalización:[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:I18n |I18n]'

Normas para la traducción: nomenclatura de páginas y vínculos, proceso para la traducción.
Documentos a traducir: Hay parte de las notecards traducidas, más abajo dos vínculos a documentos traducidos.

Los dos estilos de creación de páginas:
[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/GUIA_SL_FAQs |GUIA_SL_FAQs] Estilo previo.

[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Help:Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa | Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa] '''Actual''', la página esta anidada en la inglesa de origen.

User talk:Vindice VanDornan

2007-02-23T19:05:48Z

Vindice VanDornan:

== Internationalisation project: multi-lingual articles ==

Please direct your attention to [[User talk:SignpostMarv Martin/Sandbox/Project:Internationalisation#multi-lingual articles|Project:Internationalisation#multi-lingual articles]]
 [[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 22:55, 10 February 2007 (PST)

I joined the project.--[[User:Vindice VanDornan|Vindice VanDornan]] 11:05, 23 February 2007 (PST)

User talk:SignpostMarv Martin/Sandbox/Project:Internationalisation/List of communities

2007-02-23T18:44:46Z

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2007-02-22T21:51:24Z

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'Proyecto internacionalización:[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:I18n |I18n]'

Normas para la traducción: nomenclatura de páginas y vínculos, proceso para la traducción.
Documentos a traducir: Hay parte de las notecards traducidas, más abajo dos vínculos a documentos traducidos.

Los dos estilos de creación de páginas:
[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/GUIA_SL_FAQs |GUIA_SL_FAQs] Estilo previo.

[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Help:Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa | Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa] '''Actual''', la página esta anidada en la inglesa de origen.

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2007-02-22T21:45:47Z

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'Proyecto internacionalización:[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:I18n |I18n]'

Normas para la traducción: nomenclatura de páginas y vínculos, proceso para la traducción.
Documentos a traducir: Hay parte de las notecards traducidas, más abajo dos vínculos a documentos traducidos.

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Los dos estilos de creación de páginas.
[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/GUIA_SL_FAQs |GUIA_SL_FAQs] Estilo previo.
[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Help:Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa | Getting_started_in_Second_Life/spa] ''Actual'', la página esta anidada en la inglesa de origen.

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2007-02-22T21:14:04Z

Vindice VanDornan:

User talk:SignpostMarv Martin/Sandbox/Project:Internationalisation/List of communities

2007-02-22T21:05:45Z

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== multi-lingual articles ==

As Second Life, and thus the SL Wiki is a multi-lingual community, some structure to translates articles should be implemented.

This is my proposal.

# Create the English-language article in <nowiki>[[foo]]</nowiki>
# Create translated versions of the article in <nowiki>[[foo/lang-code]]</nowiki>, where "lang-code" is the ISO 639-3 language code for that language, e.g. [[foo/spa]]

=== Examples ===
* [[GUIA SL FAQs]] moves to [[Help:Second Life FAQ/spa]] (and the german version to [[Help:Second Life FAQ/deu]] and so on)
* [[GUIA - Gestos]] moves to [[Help:Gestures/spa]] and so on.
* [[Geld]] gets translated into english, with the translated version being put in [[Help:Linden Dollar]], and [[Geld]] being moved to [[Help:Linden Dollar/deu]]

<hr />

If enough people agree with this proposal, I would suggest we keep to the Help articles to begin with- this will give a highly focused sandbox for developing the processes for translating, moving and requesting articles to be translated. I'll also go into more detail with the ideas I have for '''Project:Internationalisation'''.

I think it's a given why the English language version of an article should be the "root" article, although if anyone disagrees or would like my opinion on the matter, feel free to say so! :-)

[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 22:33, 10 February 2007 (PST)
:After looking into the matter, I've concluded that using IS0 639-3 codes will be better in the long run, although if anyone disagrees, please do so before the end of the month, as efforts will likely be too far entrenched in ISO 639-3 to reverse.
:[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 18:54, 15 February 2007 (PST)
:: <shrugs> I'm okay with any of the codes per se, as long as they don't change for at least a year or two once fixed down. Also: referencing to these codes has to be provided so that less technically-oriented volunteers can get an idea of how to work with them.
As an aside, I'd like initial translations of the SL FAQ and KB into other languages by volunteers and Lindens to start by agreeing on common, pleasant-sounding (as much as possible) terms in each language. I've been rolling L$ into Chinese in several guises, and "Lime Money/Dollar" doesn't have the same sort of oomph... other languages may face the same issue... --[[User:Patchouli Woollahra|Patchouli Woollahra]] 00:18, 20 February 2007 (PST)
:::ISO codes shouldn't change. The reason I'm advocating 639-3 is that it supports ''more'' languages than 639-2, which was what [[Template:languages-spoken]] currently uses. I'll be upgrading it soon''ish'' to use 639-3 and [[Template:ISO 639-3/native]].
:::With regards to the "lime money/dollar" issue, use the symbol "L$", and when explaining it unabbreviated, consider it a non-translatable trademark (e.g. the reason why you can easily order a "Coca Cola" anywhere in the world).
:::[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 07:11, 20 February 2007 (PST)

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I don't know what are the usual guidelines for big Wikis (Wikipedia.org guidelines are the first obvious example): I would follow those structures. But your idea definitevely makes sense, and I also agree with english articles namespace being "root" to translations. (oh, and is me editing this page the correct way to approach your proposal? thanks :) --[[User:Signore Iredell|Signore Iredell]] 12:01, 15 February 2007 (PST)
:: Yes this would be the correct way :-)
:: [[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 15:07, 15 February 2007 (PST)

I agree with your proposal about what standard we should use. Also, with your proposal, it seems that it will be easier to follow through the translation process. However, title still have to be translate. So, I guess we could still use to name links within a translated document. For instance, "en este documento [[Help:Gestures/spa | Guía:Gestos]] encontrás"--[[User:Vindice VanDornan|Vindice VanDornan]] 13:05, 22 February 2007 (PST)

User talk:SignpostMarv Martin/Sandbox/Project:Internationalisation/List of communities

2007-02-22T20:57:01Z

Vindice VanDornan: /* Examples */

== multi-lingual articles ==

As Second Life, and thus the SL Wiki is a multi-lingual community, some structure to translates articles should be implemented.

This is my proposal.

# Create the English-language article in <nowiki>[[foo]]</nowiki>
# Create translated versions of the article in <nowiki>[[foo/lang-code]]</nowiki>, where "lang-code" is the ISO 639-3 language code for that language, e.g. [[foo/spa]]

=== Examples ===
* [[GUIA SL FAQs]] moves to [[Help:Second Life FAQ/spa]] (and the german version to [[Help:Second Life FAQ/deu]] and so on)
* [[GUIA - Gestos]] moves to [[Help:Gestures/spa]] and so on.
* [[Geld]] gets translated into english, with the translated version being put in [[Help:Linden Dollar]], and [[Geld]] being moved to [[Help:Linden Dollar/deu]]

<hr />

If enough people agree with this proposal, I would suggest we keep to the Help articles to begin with- this will give a highly focused sandbox for developing the processes for translating, moving and requesting articles to be translated. I'll also go into more detail with the ideas I have for '''Project:Internationalisation'''.

I think it's a given why the English language version of an article should be the "root" article, although if anyone disagrees or would like my opinion on the matter, feel free to say so! :-)

[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 22:33, 10 February 2007 (PST)
:After looking into the matter, I've concluded that using IS0 639-3 codes will be better in the long run, although if anyone disagrees, please do so before the end of the month, as efforts will likely be too far entrenched in ISO 639-3 to reverse.
:[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 18:54, 15 February 2007 (PST)
:: <shrugs> I'm okay with any of the codes per se, as long as they don't change for at least a year or two once fixed down. Also: referencing to these codes has to be provided so that less technically-oriented volunteers can get an idea of how to work with them.
As an aside, I'd like initial translations of the SL FAQ and KB into other languages by volunteers and Lindens to start by agreeing on common, pleasant-sounding (as much as possible) terms in each language. I've been rolling L$ into Chinese in several guises, and "Lime Money/Dollar" doesn't have the same sort of oomph... other languages may face the same issue... --[[User:Patchouli Woollahra|Patchouli Woollahra]] 00:18, 20 February 2007 (PST)
:::ISO codes shouldn't change. The reason I'm advocating 639-3 is that it supports ''more'' languages than 639-2, which was what [[Template:languages-spoken]] currently uses. I'll be upgrading it soon''ish'' to use 639-3 and [[Template:ISO 639-3/native]].
:::With regards to the "lime money/dollar" issue, use the symbol "L$", and when explaining it unabbreviated, consider it a non-translatable trademark (e.g. the reason why you can easily order a "Coca Cola" anywhere in the world).
:::[[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 07:11, 20 February 2007 (PST)

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I don't know what are the usual guidelines for big Wikis (Wikipedia.org guidelines are the first obvious example): I would follow those structures. But your idea definitevely makes sense, and I also agree with english articles namespace being "root" to translations. (oh, and is me editing this page the correct way to approach your proposal? thanks :) --[[User:Signore Iredell|Signore Iredell]] 12:01, 15 February 2007 (PST)
:: Yes this would be the correct way :-)
:: [[User:SignpostMarv Martin|SignpostMarv Martin]] 15:07, 15 February 2007 (PST)

I agree with your proposal about what standard we should use. Also, with your proposal, it seems that it will be easier to follow through the translation process. However, title still have to be translate. Then, we could still use to name links within a translated document.

... en este documento [[Help:Gestures/spa | Guía:Gestos]] encontrás ...

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2007-02-22T19:30:54Z

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and I have no plans to move out but to move on. I would like to contribute to the community, although at this time I feel that I have a lot to learn before I can add value.

I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on own culture and language -wonder why I am hooked to SL, eh?-, so I am more than please to meet people from around the world. I spoke Spanish and English; on any of them sometimes I do not make sense, just ask for a rehearsal.

If it happens that you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just [http://vindi.wordpress.com visit my blog].

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Aqui la página de [[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/hcard | hcard]]
Aqui mi Dashboard[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/Dashboard]

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2007-02-22T19:16:01Z

Vindice VanDornan:

Proyecto internacionalización:[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Project:I18n |I18n]

User:Vindice VanDornan

2007-02-22T18:57:55Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and I have no plans to move out but to move on. I would like to contribute to the community, although at this time I feel that I have a lot to learn before I can add value.

I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on own culture and language -wonder why I am hooked to SL, eh?-, so I am more than please to meet people from around the world. I spoke Spanish and English; on any of them sometimes I do not make sense, just ask for a rehearsal.

If it happens that you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just [http://vindi.wordpress.com visit my blog].

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Aqui la página de [[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/hcard | hcard]]

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2007-02-21T22:19:12Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and I have no plans to move out but to move on. I would like to contribute to the community, although at this time I feel that I have a lot to learn before I can add value.

I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on own culture and language -wonder why I am hooked to SL, eh?-, so I am more than please to meet people from around the world. I spoke Spanish and English; on any of them sometimes I do not make sense, just ask for a rehearsal.

If it happens that you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just [http://vindi.wordpress.com visit my blog].

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Aqui la página de [[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/hcard | hcard]]

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2007-02-21T22:17:36Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and I have no plans to move out but to move on. I would like to contribute to the community, although at this time I feel that I have a lot to learn before I can add value.

I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on own culture and language -wonder why I am hooked to SL, eh?-, so I am more than please to meet people from around the world. I spoke Spanish and English; on any of them sometimes I do not make sense, just ask for a rehearsal.

If it happens that you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just [http://vindi.wordpress.com visit my blog].

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Aqui la página de [[https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Vindice_VanDornan/hcard|hcard]]

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2007-02-21T22:11:07Z

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2007-02-21T21:54:04Z

Vindice VanDornan:

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I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and I have no plans to move out but to move on. I would like to contribute to the community, although at this time I feel that I have a lot to learn before I can add value.

I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on own culture and language -wonder why I am hooked to SL, eh?-, so I am more than please to meet people from around the world. I spoke Spanish and English; on any of them sometimes I do not make sense, just ask for a rehearsal.

If it happens that you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just [http://vindi.wordpress.com visit my blog].

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User:Vindice VanDornan

2007-02-21T21:16:04Z

Vindice VanDornan:

I'm a resident since last days of September '06, and I have no plans to move out but to move on. I would like to contribute to the community, although at this time I feel that I have a lot to learn before I can add value.

I am more into interests, affinities and possibilities than on own culture and language -wonder why I am hooked to SL, eh?-, so I am more than please to meet people from around the world. I spoke Spanish and English; on any of them sometimes I do not make sense, just ask for a rehearsal.

If it happens that you want to know more about me or what I think about [http://www.secondlife.com Second Life], just [http://vindi.wordpress.com visit my blog].

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