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== List of Speakers ==
{|
|<font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b></font>
|<font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b></font>
|<font color=#b200b2><b>Ardy Lay</b></font>
|-
|<font color=#4c9900><b>Ash Qin</b></font>
|<font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b></font>
|<font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b></font>
|-
|<font color=#009999><b>Clinton Oddfellow</b></font>
|<font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b></font>
|<font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b></font>
|-
|<font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b></font>
|<font color=#00994c><b>Gooden Uggla</b></font>
|<font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b></font>
|-
|<font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b></font>
|<font color=#999900><b>Kadah Coba</b></font>
|<font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b></font>
|-
|<font color=#b20000><b>Liisa Runo</b></font>
|<font color=#009900><b>Mobius Ryba</b></font>
|<font color=#b25800><b>Motor Loon</b></font>
|-
|<font color=#004c99><b>Opensource Obscure</b></font>
|<font color=#990099><b>Patnad Babii</b></font>
|<font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b></font>
|-
|<font color=#b2b200><b>Psi Merlin</b></font>
|<font color=#000c33><b>Simon Linden</b></font>
|<font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b></font>
|-
|<font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b></font>
|}

== Transcript ==
[15:59] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: Hello Andrew</nowiki></font>

[15:59] <font color=#b200b2><b>Ardy Lay</b><nowiki>: Hi Andrew</nowiki></font>

[15:59] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: hi andrew</nowiki></font>

[15:59] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Good evening Andrew</nowiki></font>

[15:59] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: hi Andrew</nowiki></font>

[15:59] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Hello everyone.</nowiki></font>

[15:59] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Hi Andrew!</nowiki></font>

[15:59] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: No Strawberrys growing in So Cal, yet. 3 months</nowiki></font>

[16:00] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Small crowd today.</nowiki></font>

[16:00] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: that's right, they have had a cold spell this winter</nowiki></font>

[16:00] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: Yep, we had snow down to 750 feet last week</nowiki></font>

[16:00] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: well i haven't even hit winter yet</nowiki></font>

[16:01] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Looks like Simon won't be attending today. I think he's off to the snow this weekend.</nowiki></font>

[16:01] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Where are you that you don't get winter DogWomble?</nowiki></font>

[16:01] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Is there any better reason, to forgo strawberries?</nowiki></font>

[16:01] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: andrew australia</nowiki></font>

[16:02] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: we've just finished summer</nowiki></font>

[16:02] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: or summers's finished us</nowiki></font>

[16:02] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: DogWomble sounds sufficiently Australian.</nowiki></font>

[16:02] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: it also means compared to you andrew i'm from the future</nowiki></font>

[16:02] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hrm... my USB hub is losing power every once in a while</nowiki></font>

[16:02] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: so do you need this weeks lotto numbers?</nowiki></font>

[16:02] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Hi folks :)</nowiki></font>

[16:02] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: hi pauline</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: powersupply or motherboard issues you think</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: ?</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: What time in the night/dat is down-under right now?</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: er... /day</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: might be you need an external powered one andrew... I had the same issue, turns out my powersupply just couldnt handle it</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#b2b200><b>Psi Merlin</b><nowiki>: Hi everyone</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: just gone 11am on saturday :)</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: hi psi</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: hello psi</nowiki></font>

[16:03] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it does have an external power supply, but I think it is going or gone</nowiki></font>

[16:04] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: yeah, Seagate supply a Y cable to use 2 ports at once for some of their external drives, as some ports just can't put out the full spec</nowiki></font>

[16:04] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: oh well, we'll see if I can still type by the end of the hour ;-)</nowiki></font>

[16:04] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ok so news...</nowiki></font>

[16:04] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: andrew, there's always voice</nowiki></font>

[16:04] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Stick some Ice to the top of your box?</nowiki></font>

[16:04] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: My latest maint-server failed on RC channel LeTigre this week</nowiki></font>

[16:04] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it was rolled back after only a few hours up</nowiki></font>

[16:04] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Aw.</nowiki></font>

[16:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Kelly Linden found and fixed the bug (some typo in the listen() handler that I introduced when trying to clean up a potential memory leak)</nowiki></font>

[16:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: we'll try again next week</nowiki></font>

[16:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: next item: I'm very close to done with my chatlog to wiki formatting script</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: so I should be able to actually publish these transcripts soon</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: excellent :)</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yes, there are existing scripts for this out there</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: but they don't do what I want</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: appearantly I just have to write my own</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: true coder, had to do it yourself</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: but it has been fun</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: well should we do some load testing on it by getting everyone to write a haiku?</nowiki></font>

[16:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: much more fun than fixing old complicated simulator bugs unfortunately</nowiki></font>

[16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: The strawberry has arrived</nowiki></font>

[16:07] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: humpf</nowiki></font>

[16:07] <font color=#b25800><b>Motor Loon</b><nowiki>: mmm looks tasty</nowiki></font>

[16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Let</nowiki></font>

[16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Let's see... what other news.</nowiki></font>

[16:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I discovered that DEV-44309 is still happening</nowiki></font>

[16:08] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: er... sorry that is an internal bug</nowiki></font>

[16:08] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hrm... I don't know the public version</nowiki></font>

[16:08] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll have to hunt it down</nowiki></font>

[16:09] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: but the symptom is that sometimes a region shutsdown and comes up on a slightly older version of the content (accidental rollback)</nowiki></font>

[16:09] <font color=#b25800><b>Motor Loon</b><nowiki>: nasty one...</nowiki></font>

[16:09] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: however these days it is a bit worse bucause of another recently added behavior that will cause the old state to actually be missing most of the objects</nowiki></font>

[16:10] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Ugh!</nowiki></font>

[16:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: happens... once or twice during a rolling update of the main channel, so it is rare</nowiki></font>

[16:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: and is what I'm trying to fix today</nowiki></font>

[16:10] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Fun.</nowiki></font>

[16:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: didn't quite finish it, but I have a new idea to try so there is hope</nowiki></font>

[16:11] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: That is a disaster actually, unless the proper version is still available?</nowiki></font>

[16:11] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: on my list of things to do after that is...</nowiki></font>

[16:11] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: I've seen a few cases of the region rolling back 30-60 mins on a shutdown, have heard of both loss and duplication of no-copy content from it</nowiki></font>

[16:11] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Gut feeling is that heavily loaded regions are more prone to it</nowiki></font>

[16:11] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: a solution for abandoned land -- automatic code for moving it up for sale after a day or two</nowiki></font>

[16:12] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: oooh</nowiki></font>

[16:12] <font color=#b20000><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: cool</nowiki></font>

[16:12] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Sounds interesting, but please don't flood the market</nowiki></font>

[16:12] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: and SVC-6544 is on the short list</nowiki></font>

[16:12] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-6544</font>

<font color=#808080><nowiki>[#SVC-6544] In "About Land" dialog, "Most Recent" objects show a date of 1970/01/01 00:00 UTC</nowiki></font>

[16:12] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: where "short" means I'm going to try to get it done in the next "sprint" which is two weeks long and starts next Monday</nowiki></font>

[16:12] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: Ahhh thet will make Kerry y=Young happy</nowiki></font>

[16:12] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: If possible, could the abandonment handler also revert the terrain and maybe even sprinkle a few trees around?</nowiki></font>

[16:13] <font color=#b20000><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: trees</nowiki></font>

[16:13] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Hehe, that's what you want... a scripted solution for fixing the terrain and planting trees</nowiki></font>

[16:13] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Both are easy to script, tbh</nowiki></font>

[16:13] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: SL could stand to have a little forced beautification, especially with abandoned parcels.</nowiki></font>

[16:13] <font color=#b200b2><b>Ardy Lay</b><nowiki>: SEt auto return too</nowiki></font>

[16:13] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: So there is no issue of holding an abandoned parcel for 1 or 2 months ?</nowiki></font>

[16:14] <font color=#b20000><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: yes, autoreturn is th most mportant thing</nowiki></font>

[16:14] <font color=#b20000><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: important*</nowiki></font>

[16:14] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hrm... the market will probably flood for a little while</nowiki></font>

[16:14] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: The other concern I'd have is please put some common sense on it, so that if a small (512 or less) parcel is abandoned and mostly surrounded by someone else's land, it's passed to the Concierge team to review and give the person 1st dibs on it</nowiki></font>

[16:14] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll ask Guy what he wants to do about that.</nowiki></font>

[16:14] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: This will go up on an RC channel first.</nowiki></font>

[16:15] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: and will probably sit there for two or three weeks</nowiki></font>

[16:15] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: What Pauline said.</nowiki></font>

[16:15] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Right now, the abandonments are kinda handy if you own land in the same region and want to expand, Concierge will do direct sale to existing landowners in the region if it's small and seems the fair thing to do</nowiki></font>

[16:15] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Is there Abandoned Land in Aditi?</nowiki></font>

[16:15] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hrm...</nowiki></font>

[16:15] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: not much Arawn, I think</nowiki></font>

[16:15] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: yeah, offering land to neighbours first would be nice</nowiki></font>

[16:16] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: The Concierge folks are also good at doing sensible stuff by re-joining land that's been carved up in a mad way</nowiki></font>

[16:16] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I think the plan is for abandoned land to be for sale to the person who abandoned it... for some limited time</nowiki></font>

[16:16] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Not much good to test, where we won't see the smoke</nowiki></font>

[16:16] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it might be possible to cascade it to being for sale to the person with the largest adjacent parcel for another limited time</nowiki></font>

[16:16] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: hopefully parcels that are supposed to be owned by governor linden dont accidentally get sold</nowiki></font>

[16:16] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: The only downside in the current system is the tickets for stuff like that take rather a while to process</nowiki></font>

[16:17] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: what do landbots strike at these days 0.5 $L / sqm?</nowiki></font>

[16:17] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: there is a further downside in that Guy Linden has to process all of those tickets.</nowiki></font>

[16:17] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: I was just doing a search, the cheapest I could find was $L1/sqm</nowiki></font>

[16:17] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Not sure, but they still seem to love parcels set for sale at L$1 by someone who has difficulty understanding the meaning of "anyone"</nowiki></font>

[16:17] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: That is a lot of tickets</nowiki></font>

[16:18] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: Jonathan, landbots must buy at lower tha that they, prolly about 0.5</nowiki></font>

[16:18] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: L$1/sq.m. is about the approx bottom of the market most of the time right now</nowiki></font>

[16:18] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: yes, that was confirming your observation Latif</nowiki></font>

[16:18] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: pauline my parcel cst slightly less than that when i bought it :)</nowiki></font>

[16:18] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki> remembers when landbots were buying at $L7 or 8</nowiki></font>

[16:18] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: i think it was about $0.8/sqm</nowiki></font>

[16:18] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Yeah, I've managed to buy 0.7s and 0.8s</nowiki></font>

[16:18] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Better distinguish what should be automatic, from what will require judgement. All Policy should be automaticised.</nowiki></font>

[16:19] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll provide more updates on this project when I start working on it.</nowiki></font>

[16:19] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: cool, im sure everyone will be interested</nowiki></font>

[16:19] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I think there will be opportunity to go over the details here and brainstorm how to change them.</nowiki></font>

[16:20] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll be negotiating any changes with Guy Linden of course.</nowiki></font>

[16:20] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Yup, overall the principle is sound, as long as it has a few things which will cause it to be reviewed if it's not a clear cut case</nowiki></font>

[16:20] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll point him at these transcripts too (they should be published by then ;-)</nowiki></font>

[16:20] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki> nods "Guy seems pretty switched on for it, should know most of the issues"</nowiki></font>

[16:20] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: if guy is seeing these transcripts ..... "waves hello at guy*</nowiki></font>

[16:21] <font color=#990099><b>Patnad Babii</b><nowiki>: why not put it right on sale after someone abandon, to any who.. could give everyone a chance to get it</nowiki></font>

[16:21] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Also on my short list (but at the bottom atm) is SVC-2283</nowiki></font>

[16:21] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2283</font>

<font color=#808080><nowiki>[#SVC-2283] Sending postcards severely slows simulator performance</nowiki></font>

[16:21] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: There are cases of abandoment by accident</nowiki></font>

[16:21] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: thats odd</nowiki></font>

[16:21] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: right Jonathan</nowiki></font>

[16:21] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: People sometimes abandon on a misclick, so there's a lot of minefield to policy about</nowiki></font>

[16:22] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: That would be very bad, Patnad, tbh. People manage to abandon by mistake, plus regions that are full, it's better for everyone if existing landowners in the region get a chance to express interest</nowiki></font>

[16:22] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: in fact Guy said he has seen cases where Gov Linden land was accidentally abandoned.</nowiki></font>

[16:22] <font color=#990099><b>Patnad Babii</b><nowiki>: maybe have a better confirmation system then</nowiki></font>

[16:22] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Waiting a couple days, so the drunk can revert...</nowiki></font>

[16:22] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: patnad no matter how good the confirmation system, there will be people that don't read/understand i</nowiki></font>

[16:23] <font color=#b20000><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: [Abandon] -> "Are you sure?" -> "Are you really so very sure about this?"</nowiki></font>

[16:23] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: We'll be providing some sort of take-back grace period for those who accidentally abandon.</nowiki></font>

[16:23] <font color=#b200b2><b>Ardy Lay</b><nowiki>: I like that, Andrew.</nowiki></font>

[16:23] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: unfortunately with some people you could hit them over the head with an anvil screaming "WTF are you about to do?" and they still don't get it :P</nowiki></font>

[16:23] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Overall, mainland works better with fewer owners per region, as there's less conflict between people, so having some sort of priority (and cooling off period) before it goes to general sale is a very good thing</nowiki></font>

[16:23] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: arey you sure [yes] [no]; are you really sure [no] [yes]; are your really really sure [no] [no] [yes]</nowiki></font>

[16:24] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: sometimes you wish the UI were that annoying, I suppose</nowiki></font>

[16:24] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ok that's all the news I've got I think</nowiki></font>

[16:24] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Yeah, an aquantence managed to lose his land to a landbot the other day by ignoreing the 2 huge and clear warnings and setting it for sale for L$1 while trying to change it back from group to personal ownership</nowiki></font>

[16:24] <font color=#b200b2><b>Ardy Lay</b><nowiki>: Imagine having to negotiate a capta to abandon land. ;-)</nowiki></font>

[16:24] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: any update on svc-378?</nowiki></font>

[16:24] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-378</font>

<font color=#808080><nowiki>[#SVC-378] Role 'Everyone' in new groups should not have ability "Pay group liabilities and receive group dividends"</nowiki></font>

[16:24] <font color=#b200b2><b>Ardy Lay</b><nowiki>: captcha</nowiki></font>

[16:25] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: your land is worth Xxxx $L are you sure you want to abandon it and lose your investment?</nowiki></font>

[16:25] <font color=#990099><b>Patnad Babii</b><nowiki>: i lik ethat cummere ehe</nowiki></font>

[16:25] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: Sometimes it NEEDs to be that annoying to make it reasonably user proof.</nowiki></font>

[16:25] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: No update on that. I think what is next is to find some Linden who deals with group issues to give me the OK to go forward on that one.</nowiki></font>

[16:26] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: andrew bug gez on that</nowiki></font>

[16:26] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: I'm all for punishing those who refuse to heed warnings or common sense. Give 'em a start, help them learn. But the weight it puts on support is undesired.</nowiki></font>

[16:26] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I wonder who that would be... Gez you think?</nowiki></font>

[16:26] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Gez is in charge of XMPP</nowiki></font>

[16:26] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: (USB hub is dropping out on me again)</nowiki></font>

[16:26] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: yeah, i dont hink guz is the right persion</nowiki></font>

[16:26] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: gez*</nowiki></font>

[16:27] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: DON'T bug ez then.....</nowiki></font>

[16:27] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: yeah, agreed, Stickman, it's a _great_ way to teach them to read big obvious warning messages, but it still causes drama and support overhead</nowiki></font>

[16:27] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Maybe he will say "yes" and there's you answer</nowiki></font>

[16:27] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah... but I don't think Gez is the right guy. This issue is too small to bother Gez over.</nowiki></font>

[16:28] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: If it was going to take a week to do maybe I'd include Gez, for question of whether to spend a week's resources on that rather than some other project.</nowiki></font>

[16:28] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: (namely some project of his that he wants done ;-)</nowiki></font>

[16:28] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: Please don't bug Gez until XMPP is all done and working.</nowiki></font>

[16:28] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: it would be nice if founders could demte and or kick officers</nowiki></font>

[16:29] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: take are taking their sweet time on that. red tape and all</nowiki></font>

[16:29] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Well, I could ask someone #ops. If I ask the question with enough impatience they'll say "yes" just to make me go away.</nowiki></font>

[16:29] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: owners can demote and kick them</nowiki></font>

[16:29] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[16:30] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Could you impatiently ask them if it would be a good idea to increase max prims to 30k, please ;)</nowiki></font>

[16:30] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: that works andrew</nowiki></font>

[16:30] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: so andrew, what other hings are up for attention in teh bugathon?</nowiki></font>

[16:31] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hang on...</nowiki></font>

[16:31] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: got a phone call, an imporant one...</nowiki></font>

[16:31] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki> looks for the WD-40, for the hinges</nowiki></font>

[16:31] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: his USB is slated to get fixed</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: (It is Gez, with an answer)</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: soon</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: soon as in the next 4 months?</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: "Andrew, we were looking at your live usergroup logs. We're going to have to ask you to stop answering questions."</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i never understood why it was 15000 prims on a sim, 16384 seems like a much better number, mathmatically</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Does he need to update his power supply, to one that supports nosmoke.exe?</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: It's arbitrary, tbh</nowiki></font>

[16:32] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: haha arawn</nowiki></font>

[16:33] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: The extra prims go to vehicles and temp-rez, etc</nowiki></font>

[16:33] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: 16384 would work better with the 16 sq.m. land granularity, etc</nowiki></font>

[16:33] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Pretty sure vehicles and temp can take it well past 16k</nowiki></font>

[16:33] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: (and AV prims)</nowiki></font>

[16:34] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: plus all the prims 70 avatars can have</nowiki></font>

[16:34] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: ok back, sorry about that</nowiki></font>

[16:34] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Attachments aren't on the server, save for scripting</nowiki></font>

[16:34] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: What's "rental" land type?</nowiki></font>

[16:34] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: av prims donlt count</nowiki></font>

[16:34] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i saw that change too latif</nowiki></font>

[16:34] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I've listed what I've got on my short list already</nowiki></font>

[16:34] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: wb andrew</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: at least the public bugs</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: and presnetly you canlt get very many temp prims due to SVC-5927</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#808080><b>JIRA-helper</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-5927</font>

<font color=#808080><nowiki>[#SVC-5927] Temp on Rezzed objects get queued</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: where is that change (rental land)?</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: in the viewer code</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: </nowiki>http://hg.secondlife.com/viewer-development/changeset/6fdd6dfddec4</font>

[16:35] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: rental land is just a new category</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: there is a mailing list for viewer changes</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: (commits)</nowiki></font>

[16:35] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: there wasn't much server-side changes to add that</nowiki></font>

[16:36] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: however I don't know what the plans are for it</nowiki></font>

[16:36] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Oh, cool, that could be a nice add for search, I guess</nowiki></font>

[16:36] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: Looks like just parcel classification for search</nowiki></font>

[16:36] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: right, it is a new search category</nowiki></font>

[16:37] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: any insight as to why 15000 was chosen over 16384 andrew?</nowiki></font>

[16:37] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[16:37] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: good question</nowiki></font>

[16:38] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: has anyone else noticed much increased incidence of ghosted prims recently. symptoms, you right click and delete prim and nothing happens. you right click it again and it vanishes. but it stays in the physics engine and you can bump into it, and it also counts against parcel limits</nowiki></font>

[16:38] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: the orginal limit (guess) was 10k</nowiki></font>

[16:38] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Yeah, and what does the server do with the 1/2 prims from rounding errors? ;)</nowiki></font>

[16:38] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: someone decided to upgrade so they went to 15k</nowiki></font>

[16:38] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: we once had a region that allowed 20k as an experiment</nowiki></font>

[16:38] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it's a per-region setting</nowiki></font>

[16:38] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: were ther problems?</nowiki></font>

[16:39] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: someone asked me some group could bump their private region to 20k</nowiki></font>

[16:39] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: should reviset that 20k test :P</nowiki></font>

[16:39] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I said, "Yes, but if anything goes wrong we don't promise to fix it"</nowiki></font>

[16:39] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Yup, some private owners would probably pay a premium for 20k prims (or just a bit more script memory)</nowiki></font>

[16:39] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I think it worked ok. They went up to about 18 or 19k</nowiki></font>

[16:39] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: that was years ago...</nowiki></font>

[16:40] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: How does one participate in such an "experiment" and make such a request?</nowiki></font>

[16:40] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: back when Myst Online collapsed the second time</nowiki></font>

[16:40] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: the group who asked were Myst Online refugees.</nowiki></font>

[16:40] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: the math for parcels would need less rounding i would imagine, make the server operate faster >.></nowiki></font>

[16:40] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: aaah ok :)</nowiki></font>

[16:41] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: so we can't just go "please pretty please with a cherry on top" then andrew?</nowiki></font>

[16:41] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hehe, yeah that is what we need.... less rounding</nowiki></font>

[16:41] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: Pyst</nowiki></font>

[16:41] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: that'll speed things up</nowiki></font>

[16:41] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Less rounding would surely save worthwhile cycles.</nowiki></font>

[16:41] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki> wonders if there's a secret Linden region somewhere funded by all the 1/2 prims ;)</nowiki></font>

[16:41] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Just remove limits altogether. All that verification and authentication is too expensive.</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: pffffff</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: pauline its more then one</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: pauline i think there is, it's funded by all the waste offcuts from the path cuts ressies do</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: hehe</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: its very odd place too</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: a whole secret continent</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: oz showed me</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: That would be cool if when you sliced a prim when building a few chips fell down</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: did you know? the L$ is actually a float, but I routed all the rounded values into my private coffer!</nowiki></font>

[16:42] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: hmmmm, speaking of secret regions, i wonder</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: could we take a visit to the cornfield?</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: :P</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: the .010 path cut on boxes cylinders and prism bug is hilarious</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#004c99><b>Opensource Obscure</b><nowiki>: :D</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: Does someone empty the bit-bucket occasionally?</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Sure, we could go to the cornfield, but we have to go before the end of this meeting.</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: How about 5 min before the end?</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: haha o</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#004c99><b>Opensource Obscure</b><nowiki>: cool</nowiki></font>

[16:43] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: that sounds good if everyone is in agreeance</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: cool</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: postcards from the cornfield</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: er... maybe I should first verify that the cornfield is even up and running...</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: do we need a Linden invite?</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Forced TP wouild work</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Good idea -- yearly field trip</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: hrm... I don't see it</nowiki></font>

[16:44] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: sure, gonna make a pick there, like my one from LindenWorld Lobby</nowiki></font>

[16:45] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: The Corn Field (128,128,2) looks like it's online on the map</nowiki></font>

[16:45] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: maps arnt hidden on the map pauline, its a matter of being able to go</nowiki></font>

[16:45] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: sims*</nowiki></font>

[16:45] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: blah</nowiki></font>

[16:45] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: cornfield trip cool :)</nowiki></font>

[16:45] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: we know what you mean</nowiki></font>

[16:45] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: yeah, but offline ones usually show as offline there</nowiki></font>

[16:45] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Oh yeah, there it is.</nowiki></font>

[16:46] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: regions*</nowiki></font>

[16:46] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I was typing in "Cornfield"</nowiki></font>

[16:46] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: hehe *has a few dirty memories of the corn field*</nowiki></font>

[16:46] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: so will you put us to work digging terraformed trenches andrew?</nowiki></font>

[16:46] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: watching 1950s movies on being good</nowiki></font>

[16:46] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: So, before things wind up, any progress on investigating the elevated "Physics Other" time on regions which have lots of prims rezzed?</nowiki></font>

[16:47] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: Should we put on our tin hats?</nowiki></font>

[16:47] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: No, too much work for me DogWomble</nowiki></font>

[16:47] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: haha andrew</nowiki></font>

[16:47] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[16:47] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Just don't take any postcards... there is some bug about those killing sim performance</nowiki></font>

[16:47] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: if you take too many too fast</nowiki></font>

[16:48] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[16:48] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Pauline, I haven't gotten to that "Physics Other" investigation yet.</nowiki></font>

[16:48] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: But thanks for reminding me... I'll make a note</nowiki></font>

[16:48] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: speaking of similr things</nowiki></font>

[16:48] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: thanks :)</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it isn't officially on my sprint list, but I'll probably work on that with Falcon</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: Wouldn't post cards be viewer side? It shouldn't be unusual to import a texture</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: i've seen "Pump IO" listed in the stats window, with some sims showing that as quite high</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: he's been hanging out at GDC this week</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: but should be back next</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Question about inventory, Andrew. Is it possible to obtain additional information about inventory objects in the current system? Such as duraction or stereo on a sound, ease, priority, etc, on an animation, and to have them available via script?</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: i've been trying to find out what Pump IO is, but have yet to get a clear answer</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: it emails the texture arawn</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Yeah, Pump IO is high-ish here</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: dogwomble i believe it relates to the slvoice.exe process</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: andrew, you wouldn't happen to know what it is?</nowiki></font>

[16:49] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: aaah k</nowiki></font>

[16:50] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Arawn, sending the postcard requires an upload to the viewer, and the simulator sends an "IM" that gets routed to email.</nowiki></font>

[16:50] <font color=#009999><b>Clinton Oddfellow</b><nowiki>: Yikes, sorry Hope.</nowiki></font>

[16:50] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it might be related to Pump IO</nowiki></font>

[16:50] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: That's alright</nowiki></font>

[16:51] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I think Pump IO works on lots of stuff including transmitting you and your attachments on region crossing</nowiki></font>

[16:51] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: aah ok</nowiki></font>

[16:51] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: In the cases where I've noticed Physics Other being a bit high, I don't recall Pump IO matching it, but can't say wiht absolute certainty that it didn't</nowiki></font>

[16:51] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: oh um so I shouldnt send postcards of my alts yiffing to Linden emails anymore andrew?</nowiki></font>

[16:51] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: @_@</nowiki></font>

[16:51] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Hrm... stickman let me think about that inventory question...</nowiki></font>

[16:52] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Had a friend making a proposal. Was wondering if their proposal was even possible with the way things are set up.</nowiki></font>

[16:52] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: the avatar inventory is basically stuff in a db table</nowiki></font>

[16:52] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it is very hard to change the schema of the inventory db tables these days</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: knowing stuff like if sound is stereo would require asset download</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: so we wouldn't be adding any more columns to those tables</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: so andrew why is the that table screwing up so much lately?</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it isn't the table screwing up actually</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: if only it used postgresql over mysql</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: And that information about animations and sounds and etc isn't stored?</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: it is the "AIS" system trying to get up and running</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: the new viewer will use the new AIS system if it is available</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: so thats whats killing and corrupting inventories?</nowiki></font>

[16:53] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: otherwise it uses the old (UDP) transport system</nowiki></font>

[16:54] <font color=#808080><b>SL Bear Gun</b><nowiki>: Bear's away!</nowiki></font>

[16:54] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: if you have lots and lots of inventory the UDP system is not reliable enough</nowiki></font>

[16:54] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: how is AIS coming along?</nowiki></font>

[16:54] <font color=#808080><b>SL Bear Gun</b><nowiki>: Cease fire!</nowiki></font>

[16:54] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'm not sure on the status of AIS, I need a fresh update on that from someone who knows</nowiki></font>

[16:54] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: ok</nowiki></font>

[16:54] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll try to remember to ask and have an answer next week.</nowiki></font>

[16:55] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Also, I found my list of things I was supposed to follow up on from Tuesday.</nowiki></font>

[16:55] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: One thought I had on inventory, not sure if this is close to what AIS gives us, is that the cached *.inv.gz file is actually pretty small. I wonder if that initial download/sync could be vastly faster by just constructing that server side and downloading it?</nowiki></font>

[16:55] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: sounds good</nowiki></font>

[16:55] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll try to go through that list too.</nowiki></font>

[16:55] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: since sept ive lost or had corrupted beyond salvage almsot 18k worth of inventory items nd i know allot that have had worse</nowiki></font>

[16:55] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: cornfield time</nowiki></font>

[16:55] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: is there any sort of backup system?</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Yeah Pauline. Ideally the inv could be bundled up into larger chunked files for download. Maybe the AIS system is going to do that.</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Not sure how it works.</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Perhaps I could invite someone who knows to this group to answer questions.</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: it uses structured data over http</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I wonder if that team has a user group they are using.</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Anyone know?</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: I was wondering that myself.</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#00994c><b>Gooden Uggla</b><nowiki>: andrew could you tell us at what point (number of inventory objects) the database becomes unreliable?</nowiki></font>

[16:56] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: for inventory, no i try to go to all of them</nowiki></font>

[16:57] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: No Gooden, I don't know where it starts to fail.</nowiki></font>

[16:57] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Anywhere over 1 object, your inventory may return unreliable results.</nowiki></font>

[16:57] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: The general lore says 50k or more items starts to become problematic</nowiki></font>

[16:57] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: if you have a bad net connection (dropped packets) then your inventory will also suffer over the old UDP system</nowiki></font>

[16:57] <font color=#00994c><b>Gooden Uggla</b><nowiki>: that number might be helpful for distributed inventories across alts</nowiki></font>

[16:58] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Would be nice if support could compile a list of those with problems reported and their inventory count, and compare it against the actual inventory counts. See if the number is really the cause.</nowiki></font>

[16:58] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Ok time for The Corn Field.</nowiki></font>

[16:58] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll TP there</nowiki></font>

[16:58] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: cornfield</nowiki></font>

[16:58] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Yes, if my DSL goes dodgy and starts doing the 10% packet loss it does on occasions, inv download misses stuff</nowiki></font>

[16:58] <font color=#009900><b>Mobius Ryba</b><nowiki>: im for tp's? :p</nowiki></font>

[16:58] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: and then I'll give TP invites to about 20 people</nowiki></font>

[16:58] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: just IM me in a min...</nowiki></font>

[16:59] <font color=#00994c><b>Gooden Uggla</b><nowiki>: just remember kids, forced TP is a little unsettling</nowiki></font>

[16:59] <font color=#00b258><b>Arawn Spitteler</b><nowiki>: We should have objective conferencing</nowiki></font>

[17:00] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: my first god teleport!</nowiki></font>

[17:00] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: that was Rad</nowiki></font>

[17:00] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: sim FPS is taking a hit</nowiki></font>

[17:00] <font color=#009900><b>Mobius Ryba</b><nowiki>: ooh!</nowiki></font>

[17:00] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[17:01] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[17:01] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: as I start snapping pics</nowiki></font>

[17:01] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: woot</nowiki></font>

[17:01] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: shoot, no image when making a pick</nowiki></font>

[17:02] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: hehe</nowiki></font>

[17:02] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: hey, I fit in pretty good as a strawberry</nowiki></font>

[17:02] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: lol it lists it as denby in the title lol</nowiki></font>

[17:02] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: Thank you aNDREW</nowiki></font>

[17:02] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Are we stuck here lol</nowiki></font>

[17:02] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: dont wander off too far you might get lost</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: thanks andrew :)</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: i have great memories of this place</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#b200b2><b>Ardy Lay</b><nowiki>: Thanks Andrew</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#3f007f><b>Stickman</b><nowiki>: Haha, thanks!</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: =^_^=</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#009999><b>Clinton Oddfellow</b><nowiki>: Thank you, Andrew :)</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#4c0099><b>TankMaster Finesmith</b><nowiki>: thx andrew</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: yes indeed thanks</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: thanks</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: so this be the cornfiel</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#009900><b>Mobius Ryba</b><nowiki>: a dream fulfilled :)</nowiki></font>

[17:03] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: where all the naughty people go</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki> laughs.</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: This was open one Halloween</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Whew! I think that is everyone.</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: My USB mouse was failing in the middle of that, of course.</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#b20058><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki> shouts: come see the movie</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: i see people enjoying the tractors already</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: no scripts no flight no building no nuthin</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#000099><b>Bronson Blackadder</b><nowiki>: lol</nowiki></font>

[17:04] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: so who is up for slexing?</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: hahaha cummere</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: lols</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: is this sim sufficiently rated for that? :P</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: its m rated ^^</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: There used to be a TV somewhere here</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: still is</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: that showed old black and white videos</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: .unleash</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki> Takes her axe from her belt</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki> has an axe in her hand</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: on how to behave</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#004c99><b>Opensource Obscure</b><nowiki>: there</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki>: ne and nw</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki> Replaces her axe  on her belt</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki> has put her Axe away</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#004c99><b>Opensource Obscure</b><nowiki>: the tv</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: there may be a tractor too</nowiki></font>

[17:05] <font color=#009999><b>Clinton Oddfellow</b><nowiki>: SL History!</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: We would banish griefers here</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#b200b2><b>Ardy Lay</b><nowiki>: Blue gave me some of this corn.</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: aaah nice</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: hmmmm, i wonder</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I wonder if the region is full</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#009999><b>Clinton Oddfellow</b><nowiki>: ah, there are the TVs</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: What happens to them now?</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: should we pull out a very early beta of the SL client so that we can enjoy the full cornfield experience?</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#009999><b>Clinton Oddfellow</b><nowiki>: I'm going to meander over and peer at them</nowiki></font>

[17:06] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Thanks for showing us :)</nowiki></font>

[17:07] <font color=#58b200><b>Cummere Mayo</b><nowiki> shouts: so can we trust the media here to not be redzoned?</nowiki></font>

[17:07] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki> shouts: haha cummere</nowiki></font>

[17:07] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki> shouts: lol</nowiki></font>

[17:07] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: incidentally andrew, do you have a copy of this corn available?</nowiki></font>

[17:07] <font color=#4c9900><b>Ash Qin</b><nowiki>: \ WhatWhee :3</nowiki></font>

[17:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Mobius, did you find that tractor?</nowiki></font>

[17:07] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: might make a good substitute for the postcards</nowiki></font>

[17:07] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Or did you rez it?</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: The limit here is 40 avatars</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#009900><b>Mobius Ryba</b><nowiki>: grins - ffound it :p</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: I don't think we've hit it yet</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: look at the age of that thing</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: but I'm going to have to go.</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#009900><b>Mobius Ryba</b><nowiki>: i'm gonna tp out so others can come in :)</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: ok andrew, take care</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: thanks for coming everyone</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: have a nice weekend</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#004c99><b>Opensource Obscure</b><nowiki>: you too Andrew</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: yu too andrew</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#999900><b>Kadah Coba</b><nowiki>: Thanks Andrew</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#0058b2><b>Ashiri Sands</b><nowiki>: bye Andrew and thanks</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#004c99><b>Opensource Obscure</b><nowiki>: and thanks</nowiki></font>

[17:08] <font color=#99004c><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: Thanks and have a nice weekend too Andrew :)</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: take cafe Andrew</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: *care</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#999900><b>Kadah Coba</b><nowiki> makes some useless LMs x3</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#808080><b>Linden Tractor v1.0</b><nowiki>: Enjoy the ride!</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: take care and go to a cafe andrew</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#4c9900><b>Ash Qin</b><nowiki>: Have fun, Andrew</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: Have a good one, Andrew, thanks :)</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: andrew, thank god this is no push :P</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#009900><b>Mobius Ryba</b><nowiki>: what happens if i set home here? :p</nowiki></font>

[17:09] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: This would be a boring place to hang out all by yourself.</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: hmmm</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#00b200><b>Pauline Darkfury</b><nowiki>: yup, but more fun than just not being able to login ;)</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: With nothing but a TV, a tractor, and maybe one other griefer to keep you company.</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: .so andrew, you don't happen to have a copy of this corn by any chance? :P</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#330026><b>Andrew Linden</b><nowiki>: Dunno Mobius. I would expect the system to reject that home location</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#004c99><b>Opensource Obscure</b><nowiki>: it does.</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#5800b2><b>DogWomble Dollinger</b><nowiki>: so normally this place is only avaialble by linden invite?</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#009900><b>Mobius Ryba</b><nowiki>: ah no home position here :p</nowiki></font>

[17:10] <font color=#0000b2><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Once a year there should be a Linden flea market</nowiki></font>

[17:11] <font color=#00b2b2><b>Hope Dreier</b><nowiki>: It's really boreing if you turn off Alpha</nowiki></font>