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		<title>Wiki Scribe: Robot: adding bug triage template for categorization</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Robot: adding bug triage template for categorization&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Davy Linden: New page: * [2:36] Louise Linden:  [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Thursday_Agenda] * [2:36] Louise Linden:  first on the list is https://ji...</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;New page: * [2:36] &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/User:Louise_Linden&quot; title=&quot;User:Louise Linden&quot;&gt;Louise Linden&lt;/a&gt;:  [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Thursday_Agenda] * [2:36] &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/User:Louise_Linden&quot; title=&quot;User:Louise Linden&quot;&gt;Louise Linden&lt;/a&gt;:  first on the list is https://ji...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [2:36] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Thursday_Agenda]&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:36] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  first on the list is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-8989&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:36] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Turn off &amp;#039;Show Tips&amp;#039; option should disable the button tips&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:37] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  smiles. if you had the agenda open for a bit please refresh, i did some minor editing&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:37] [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie Niangao]]:  (note that this one goes back to September and ancient clients)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:39] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  yes it&amp;#039;s an old one&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:39] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  should be an fr not a bug, but other then that seems straightforward and logical to me&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:39] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  I agree&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:39] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  move to FR?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:39] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  yes please&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:39] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  k&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:39] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  i don&amp;#039;t see why it&amp;#039;s a FR&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:39] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  what ild suggest and then import&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:40] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  (FR = feature request)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:40] [[User:Ludmilia Zapedzki|Ludmilia Zapedzki]]:  thank you Louise :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:40] [[User:Ludmilia Zapedzki|Ludmilia Zapedzki]]:  I did not dare to ask lol&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:40] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  tips are showed when option is set to hide tips.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:40] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  opensource, becuase this was deliberately left out of the tips that got toggled&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:40] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  oh. was it?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:40] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  yup&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:41] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  ok, but please add a comment there then and explain it. it&amp;#039;s not obvious to me&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:41] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  davy are you ok to add that comment?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:41] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  does anyone know if tips add any lag when enabled?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:41] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  sure&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:41] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  (i meant tips on all objects)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:42] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  opensource I wouldn&amp;#039;t know for sure, but it&amp;#039;s highly unlikely they would severaly impact UI performace&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:42] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  cool, thanks.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:42] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  some people just find them irritating!!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:42] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  if turning them on or off casues lag its too miniscule to notice&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:42] [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie Niangao]]:  that&amp;#039;s a good question. whether all that info is shipped to the viewer with or without tips... would be good to know that, actually.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:42] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  but don&amp;#039;t quote me on that!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:42] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  at least for me&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:42] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  yeah Qie, you&amp;#039;re wording it better.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:43] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  shrugs and guesses it would be&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:43] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  it&amp;#039;s not something Davy or I could answer you, maybe take a look at the KB and see if there is any info there&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:43] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  so moving on https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13324&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:44] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  RC 1.23 is slower than molasses&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:44] [[User:DMC Zsigmond|DMC Zsigmond]]:  Hi Guys ;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:44] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  smiles slightly pleased to see shes not th only one that feels this way&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:44] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Hi DMC&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:44] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  hello dmc&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:44] [[User:Ludmilia Zapedzki|Ludmilia Zapedzki]]:  hello DMC :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:44] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  I&amp;#039;me working on some scripts/benmarks and hope to have a prelemery report at the open source meeting. *crosses paws*&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:44] [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie Niangao]]:  Is there h/w specifics on this? Mac only? PPC Mac with ATI graphics only? something like that, by any chance?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:45] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  well i have three differant pcs&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:45] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  all three of them suffer this&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:45] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  This is due to i&amp;#039;me experencing severl client side slowdowns also.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:46] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  mainly i think this is a combination of a cumulation of all the memory leaks and the rendering slowdowns in 1.23&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  Hello everyone&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  hello :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  hi&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Ludmilia Zapedzki|Ludmilia Zapedzki]]:  hello Lillie and Yann :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  hello all that just got here :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  hi!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  behold the power of [atenite&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  oops!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:47] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  latenite*&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:48] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  late for some! start of the day for me! :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:48] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  well no one needed help with hardware&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:48] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  so I thought I wuold come&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:48] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  are you in Japan, Louise?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:48] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  Louise what your time zone? :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:48] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Davy and I are in the UK office!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:48] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  ah, OK&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:48] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  its 530 am for me&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  GMT then or thereabouts&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  so early morning *yawns*&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  oh, same place of Katrin ok i understend :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Arabella Steadham|Arabella Steadham]]:  9.50pm thursday for me&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  yup!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  say hello to katrin for me :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  will do!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  anyways... this slowness on 1.23 is something ive heard complained about allot so can we get qa to look at it?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  right so back to the bug,&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  w&amp;#039;re discussing https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13324&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  yep:)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:49] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  I think we could do with a few more system specs, other than PPCs&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:50] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  ( meeting agend at [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Bug_triage/Thursday_Agenda] )&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:50] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Cummere, can you add all of yours please?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:50] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  I can add one of them right now.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:50] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  i&amp;#039;ll try to reproduce it on Linux&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:50] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  I can verfiy that, happens on linux&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:50] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  without pulling up my other jiras i cant recall the specks of the other two off my head. sorry im too tired&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:50] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Davy if we can addd a comment for system specs and any locations where this is really noticble, then we could look to possibly import this next week&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:50] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:51] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  Soemthing get overloaded in the client and fps drops to 1-5 untill the logjam clears out about a minute or two later.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:51] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  its grid wide&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:51] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  EVERY location is slower on 1.23 then 1.22&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:51] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  I know of two locations that can trigger it.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:52] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  all comments would be greatly appreciated in the jira ;) the more info we have the better&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:52] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  and im adding one system now&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:52] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13435&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:52] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Snapshot preview does not match viewport view or texture loaded&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:53] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  This was discussed at Bambers&amp;#039; triage last night and will be imported&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:53] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  cool, I&amp;#039;ll move on then!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:53] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  louise, i have two snapshot with no longer exist warrning, and [recipient&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13572&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Very poor graphic performance with Second Life 1.23.1 (119104)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:DMC Zsigmond|DMC Zsigmond]]:  I cannot confirm VWR-13324 on latest ATI hardware x64 AMD&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  don&amp;#039;t look at 7709 unless you want your jaw to drop.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  ?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:DMC Zsigmond|DMC Zsigmond]]:  no change&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  7709?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  You will ahve to fill those of us joinging from another program&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:54] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  meta bug list for snapshots. It un-belivally long.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  lol&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  ah&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  right so i think this bug might be a dupe of the one we just went over&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  just well filled in.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  snapshot system simply needs replaced. it would be faster and more effective then fixing all the bugs&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  should offer plugin hooks to third parties&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  I take screen shots with a utility&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  I gave up on screenshot agesa ago&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:55] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  me 2&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:56] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  vid reprod to, if is intermitant bugs :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:56] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  the screenshot issue is being imported, it has already been triaged!&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:56] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  I screenshot to disk then upload it. I disliked the &amp;quot;high quality snapshot&amp;quot; feature being disabled&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:56] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  lousie i dont think this is a straight dupe&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:56] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  why&amp;#039;s that?&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:57] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  related defiantely, but i think if anything that the last one is more of a general this one is one of the specific areas&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:57] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  they both complain of frame rate slow down&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:58] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  1.23 is unusalby slow for me&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:58] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  but that can be caused by lots of things&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:58] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  unusably*&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:58] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  and the slowdowns listed in the first are much more pornounced then the second&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:59] [[User:Tillie Ariantho|Tillie Ariantho]]:  No problem with performance on XP SP3 and Vista SP1.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:59] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  tillie, one of my comps is vista&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:59] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  I like 13572. more info&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:59] [[User:Tillie Ariantho|Tillie Ariantho]]:  When I switch to windowed, the fps drop to half. but fullscreen is all well.&lt;br /&gt;
* [2:59] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  and i get 1/3 of the fps and other measures fo speed and performace on it then i do on 1.22&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:00] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13282 is already imported&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:00] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  I don&amp;#039;t see anything to distinguish thi from that&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:00] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  but I get the same framerate Nooo matter what on my system&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:00] [[User:Tillie Ariantho|Tillie Ariantho]]:  I got 20 fps right now, fullscreen, vista, 2560x1600 and 16xQ antialiasing, so not that bad. :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:00] [[User:Arabella Steadham|Arabella Steadham]]:  I will relog in RC&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:00] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  there is no need to import 3 bugs with the same problem, it won&amp;#039;t speed up fixes! if anything it would slow potential fixes down&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:00] [[User:DMC Zsigmond|DMC Zsigmond]]:  another 2cents worth, Windows 7RC1, offers a 5-10fps boost on AMD spider/dragon hardware.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:01] [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie Niangao]]:  hmmm... just checking: this isn&amp;#039;t just for anti-aliasing on, or basic shaders off, is it?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:01] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  if 13282 is imported then resolve the one we&amp;#039;re looking at as a dupe&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:01] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  sorry to interupt, but if I missed inviting anyone to AW Groupies, please IM me. I&amp;#039;m about to go a f k for about 6 hours or so...zzzzzzz&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:01] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  right Davy mark as dupe please&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:02] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  next up is: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12960&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:02] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Fisheye effect camera&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:02] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:02] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  Davy can you verify if is same of this bugs? VWR-13045 for 13282 ?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:03] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  so Alexa has already asked for more infor for this bug&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:03] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  yann - those don&amp;#039;t look similar at all&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:04] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  we really need a rough idea for a repro.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:04] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  she has and we havent gotten it yet. probably ild say mark with the updated triage and move on&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:04] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  Davy, but i have noticed this if i active the ant ..&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:04] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  aw, the space is to fast here ..&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:05] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Davy mark as last triaged, if we don&amp;#039;t get a repro soon, we migh have to considr closing as CNR&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:05] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:05] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  i paged tayra about ti&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:05] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  *it&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:05] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  next up is: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13080&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:06] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Chat-lag Notification missing group name target&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:06] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  I&amp;#039;ve had problems with the camera adjusting it&amp;#039;s focal distance to produce that same effect. but it wasn&amp;#039;t isolated by the RC viewer, it&amp;#039;s always done that. and zoom reset always fixed it&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:06] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  that started biting me recently. Especially in certain groups&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:07] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  yeah i noticed this. its not all the time though&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:07] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Yeah I actually had this happen this morning&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:07] [[User:Ludmilia Zapedzki|Ludmilia Zapedzki]]:  yes, it&amp;#039;s really frequent&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:07] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Its already in our internal jira&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:07] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  usually i get the name of the group, but not always.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:07] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  related, I&amp;#039;ve been getting alot of group messages pop up then close with an error recently too&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:07] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  We&amp;#039;ll find the jira number and link them togther, as it&amp;#039;s already being looked at&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:07] [[User:Ellla McMahon|Ellla McMahon]]:  https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Group_Chat_Failure_Messages&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:08] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  is the internal for the group name missing louise?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:08] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  I had warning that group session no longer exists and THEN the tab opens up&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:08] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  or jsut for the failure in general?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:08] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  thats the one saij&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:08] [[User:Ellla McMahon|Ellla McMahon]]:  SVC-1509 Error message when starting group IM session Alexa posted on this issue&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:08] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  tried to implement group IM in the python test client... bounced off it several times. Its rather odd&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:08] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  I don&amp;#039;t have the jira&amp;#039;s to hand cummere, but I believe we have jiras for the failure and group name&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:08] [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie Niangao]]:  right: I would think the devs would benefit from seeing all the symptoms linked together.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:09] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]:  took enus a while to pickk everyone&amp;#039;s brain to get it right in pyogp&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:09] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  if we don&amp;#039;t then I&amp;#039;ll get this imported&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:09] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  okay, was jsut asking :-/&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:10] [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie Niangao]]:  possibly MISC-389 is meta&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:10] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  next is: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13303&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:10] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Local Lighting &amp;amp; Atmospheric Shaders&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:10] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  i -think- this may be a dupe&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:11] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  not sure but I can confirm that.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:11] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  noticed it the other day that a local light wouldn&amp;#039;t show up unless I actually edited the prim&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:11] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  at the very least its probably related to all the snapshot bugs where these filters arent rendered... (is wiating for jira search to laod)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:11] [[User:Ludmilia Zapedzki|Ludmilia Zapedzki]]:  as for me&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:14] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  is anyone else experiencing this?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:14] [[User:Arabella Steadham|Arabella Steadham]]:  not me&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:14] [[User:Ludmilia Zapedzki|Ludmilia Zapedzki]]:  I noticed it&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:14] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  actually I can see the local lights in here right now, so it&amp;#039;s intermittant I would say&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:14] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  me blinks at all the related issues seems atmosphereic shaders are borked and have been for some people for a long time&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:15] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  they work for me.. just very slowly&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:15] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  VWR-13110 is related, but im not seeing an exact dupe after all so i change my vote to import&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:15] [[User:Ludmilia Zapedzki|Ludmilia Zapedzki]]:  yes, Delerium, it&amp;#039;s not always happening&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:16] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  also VWR-3243 is similar (and much older) possibly related?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:16] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  This could possibly be a dupe, as I know there have been issues.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:17] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  ok davy, do you want to look for a dupe and take it from there?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:17] [[User:Qie Niangao|Qie Niangao]]:  I&amp;#039;ve had much better luck with local lighting ever since i turned off Advanced/Rendering/Attached Lights ;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:18] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  im not sure we could easily tell in the pjira a search for local lights and atmosheric shaders brought back allot of results. maybe check the internal one ?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:18] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  next up is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13369&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:18] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Small and zoomed objects (prims) flickering&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:18] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  wow nice qie. didn&amp;#039;t know that was there&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:18] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  as the room just got really dark&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:19] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  camera jitter&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:20] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  eijos everyone&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:20] [[User:Lillie Yifu|Lillie Yifu]]:  tiem for me to leave for rl work&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:20] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  its reprodctible with the space nav?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:20] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  this original report is Win7&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:20] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  which is not supported yet&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:20] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  i have win7 :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:21] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  and the second report doesnt mention viewer number&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:21] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  Second Life 1.23.1 (119104)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:21] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  i think this is NMI, as we need full specs, and need to identify if this affects supported platforms&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:21] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  well.... does it for me right here&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:21] [[User:Tillie Ariantho|Tillie Ariantho]]:  Prims disappearing on zoom in I reported too, was about attached hair.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:21] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  and the other says official release&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:21] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  so thats 1.22.11&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:22] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  and my OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:22] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  the third report is actually a seperate issue&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:22] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  so I can confirm&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:23] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Delerium can you add your findings to the jira please?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:23] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  theres an xp build listed in the comments here with the same issue as well&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:23] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  sure&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:23] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  second comment down&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:23] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  although my cpu is intel&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:24] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:24] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  there is a chance this may be a dupe, Davy, could you take a look, if not can you import&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:24] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  will do&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:25] [[User:DMC Zsigmond|DMC Zsigmond]]:  i can&amp;#039;t confirm the small prims issue&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:25] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  added my specs to the comments&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:25] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  next up is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13353&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:25] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Can&amp;#039;t override default command line arguments&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:25] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  *thanks delerium&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:25] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  i eerease my prims :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:25] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  oddly, my prim just got returned, but my camera is in the same spot&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:26] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  when someone bumped me, my camera went crazy&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:26] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  never mind... my avatar went into the cameras range..thats why&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:27] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  hmm there is a chance this is behaving as expected&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:27] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  as they are trying to specify the same param twice&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:28] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  Davy, can we get one of our Linux guys to take a look and confirm either way?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:28] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:28] [[User:Tillie Ariantho|Tillie Ariantho]]:  But shouldnt command line params override any config file settings?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:28] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  Yes it should.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:28] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  they should&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:28] [[User:Tillie Ariantho|Tillie Ariantho]]:  Thats how it works, usually, elsewhere.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:29] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  *Shrugs*&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:29] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  louise do we have time to hit the last one?&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:29] [[User:Delerium Hannibal|Delerium Hannibal]]:  and any duplicates should probably overwrite previous ones&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:29] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  nope, sorry!&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:29] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  we almost made it to the end!&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:30] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  And due to wrapper script, same param can be speced twice, in that case, the last one wins.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:30] [[User:Techwolf Lupindo|Techwolf Lupindo]]:  should win that is.&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:30] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  the linux one will get looked into, if it is a bug, we will import it and go and look into it!&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:30] [[User:Cummere Mayo|Cummere Mayo]]:  well last one should abene a flat out import at this point. cuase tayra put the info we were gonna request as an nmi but ill try and see it get bounced to monday then&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:30] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  OK thanks everyone for showing up!!&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:31] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  thanks all&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:31] [[User:Yann Dufaux|Yann Dufaux]]:  yw :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:31] [[User:DMC Zsigmond|DMC Zsigmond]]:  many returns :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [3:31] [[User:Louise Linden|Louise Linden]]:  we&amp;#039;ll see you all next week hopefully! :)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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