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		<title>Alexa Linden: Created page with &#039;* [12:03] Bug Triage:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-578  - &quot;save object back to object contents&quot; no longer works  * [12:04] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy ...&#039;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;* [12:03] &lt;a href=&quot;/w/index.php?title=User:Bug_Triage&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;User:Bug Triage (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Bug Triage&lt;/a&gt;:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-578  - &amp;quot;save object back to object contents&amp;quot; no longer works  * [12:04] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy ...&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;* [12:03] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-578  - &amp;quot;save object back to object contents&amp;quot; no longer works &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:04] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  this is imported, fixed internally, but reopened&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:04] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  guesses this will eventually be removed like save back to inv was removed in 1.27 ;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:04] [[User:Object: Hello,|Object: Hello,]]:  Avatar!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:04] [[User:Avatar: Hello,|Avatar: Hello,]]:  Object!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:05] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Odd. Let&amp;#039;s reopen the internal one.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:05] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:05] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  If the failure mode is the same...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:05] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1074  - Blog comments need &amp;quot;Ignore this user&amp;quot; feature &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:05] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yeah. On the last one, reopen&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:05] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Also linking it to a related issue...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:06] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;ll have to see if this is an option with our new blog... I can ask on this one&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:06] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  I know some features I was looking for had to added via add-ons&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:06] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-12870  - Loggong out of linux viewr version 1.22.11.113941 hangs computer &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:07] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  I&amp;#039;m sure this issue is related to OpenAL and PulseAudio.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:07] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  Two people mention Ubuntu 9.10 - I left a comment regarding that.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:07] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  The viewer really needs the latest OpenAL Soft.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:07] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  (That&amp;#039;s the name, not you, Soft.) :p&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:08] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  lol&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:08] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  catches up - was spamming comments onto an internal JIRA&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:08] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  OpenAL means Alexa. :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:09] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  The viewer comes with a really old and buggy OpenAL as far as I&amp;#039;ve seen.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:09] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  The latest just...fixes everything for me.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:09] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  This one, I suspect would be more quickly resolved publicly...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:09] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Let&amp;#039;s ask if one of the Linux users can load up gdb and catch where exactly this is hanging&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:10] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok will do&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:10] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16445  - scripted and non scripted items changing perms on their own &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:10] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  vivox depends on opanal too, might be what&amp;#039;s keeping the old version around&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:10] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  I wouldn&amp;#039;t be able to test since the lock-up that the ubuntu 9.10 users report is regarding PulseAudio, and Kubuntu/KDE doesn&amp;#039;t use that.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:10] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;ll drop a couple comments on the last one.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:10] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ty :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:11] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  next I guess?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:11] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-16445  - scripted and non scripted items changing perms on their own &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:12] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  not much to go on in the description&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:13] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i&amp;#039;ve seen this in a very hard to tell non-reproducable way. buy my prefab house just decided to be no-mod all of a sudden one day&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:13] [[User:Elisha Richez|Elisha Richez]]:  delt with that today actually but not sure what else to say about it.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:13] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Hrm.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:13] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  Hm, I&amp;#039;ve seen this regarding something Questar has given me.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:13] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  Hir side shows full perms, but no mod to me.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:14] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;d NMI, asking what they were doing when this happened. Texturing? Deeding? Just standing about?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:14] [[User:Questar Utu|Questar Utu]]:  blinks. o.o&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:14] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:14] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14328  - Involuntary pop-ups of ANY sort should not steal focus. &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:15] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  Feature Request or bug&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:15] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Not really a bug, but a request. Though I sure agree... except for the quit dialog, perhaps.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:15] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  jinx&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:15] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  d&amp;#039;oh!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:15] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  security issue&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:15] [[User:Poet String|Poet String]]:  I agree as well - That has been targeted for use in combat HUDs by various creators.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:15] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Nah. It can be used for griefing, but that&amp;#039;s not automatically security. There are some changes coming that limit that annoyance though.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:15] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  Hi Opensource :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:16] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  so moving to FR&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:16] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  hello everybody! i&amp;#039;m a bit late sorry&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:16] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  any interest in importing too?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:16] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yeah, but I&amp;#039;d still import.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:16] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  kk&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:16] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  waves.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:16] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-9236  - Automatically play media setting ignored plays anyway - PARCEL_MEDIA_COMMAND_PLAY &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:16] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  Oh this bugged the hell out of me when I had streaming media working.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:17] [[User:Elisha Richez|Elisha Richez]]:  involuntary porn&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:17] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I -think- this is by design. But let&amp;#039;s import it and get it straight to the parcel media guys. Assigning to Sam&amp;#039;s a good shortcut&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:17] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  people use that to get your IP address&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:17] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Sah, so solution is use buggered viewer? ;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:17] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:17] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Because some of the other media changes coming could make this a real annoyance&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:17] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-1153  - Age Verification successful but not shown in Account profile. &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:17] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  Well, KDE doesn&amp;#039;t support streaming media yet - well, I haven&amp;#039;t got it working so far.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:18] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  It&amp;#039;s not really a property of kde. I think you need gstreamer installed is all, as well as some appropriate codecs.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:18] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  if that&amp;#039;s a bug, i have it too. i&amp;#039;ve verified many times since beta&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  the real problem is that you cannot see if your account is age verified anywhere&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:18] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  Yeah, but even gstreamer installed, it didn&amp;#039;t work since it was incorrectly detecting codecs installed.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:18] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  (this broke some 6 month ago)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:19] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Interesting, Latif. I thought it bounced you out if you tried to verify again, which would be one way of telling. but no dice!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:19] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  This really points to a handful of bugs that should be filed. :/&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:19] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Soft yes. https://secure-web14.secondlife.com/my/account/verification.php?lang=en-US used to tell you you are already verified&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:19] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  I verify and when done I get back to the same main window&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  it&amp;#039;s a black hole of age verification. nothing escapes.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  now it just allows you to verify again&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  but nothing indicates that I was verified&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  yup&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  https://secure-web14.secondlife.com/my/account/verification.php?lang=en-US should tell you &amp;quot;alredy vierfied&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yup, should import this for the web guys&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  we need a big &amp;quot;thanks! you&amp;#039;ve been verified&amp;quot; page&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-3353  - In private island, under Region/Estate when Allow Public Access is unchecked, allowed group works, but not allowed residents list. &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  (( I guess you already discussed WEB-1074; if yes, what was the conclusion? ))&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:20] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;ll be asking blue if we can do it Open&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:21] [[User:Opensource Obscure|Opensource Obscure]]:  great&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:21] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  need to see if the functionality is there or available in a plugin/add0on&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:22] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Odd. I own a couple islands, and I&amp;#039;m definitely able to let individuals in.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:22] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  misc MISC-3353 sounds like region specific. i know for a fact that the same scenario works. perhaps send to support?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:22] [[User:LSL Scientist|LSL Scientist]]:  lindens have magic powers&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:22] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  lol&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:23] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  maybe they are on the ban list too&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:23] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  will do :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:23] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Pointing them at support would get the quickest resolution...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:23] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  But it would sure be helpful for an engineer to see this as it&amp;#039;s happening&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:23] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1145  - llInstantMessage() doesn&amp;#039;t obey mute settings &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:24] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Can we ask them to contact support on the last one, but also to note the JIRA with the date, region and avatar that had a problem? Then we can check saved simstates.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:24] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  kk&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  This should be imported. Bagh.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:LSL Scientist|LSL Scientist]]:  mumbles: and muting griefer dont prevent dialog spam....&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  nods to that one.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  waves a fist in the air&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Is there a JIRA on that?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  Unsure, actually...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  muting is very inconsistent, with what is muted... somethime on inventory offers you mute owner sometimes is object, difficult to tell&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:25] [[User:Galva Umaga|Galva Umaga]]:  coat off&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  need to be applied to llDialogText as well&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  SOft: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6964&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:JIRA-helper: [#VWR-6964|JIRA-helper: [#VWR-6964]]: &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:Galva Umaga|Galva Umaga]]:  mask off&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:Slee Mayo|Slee Mayo]]:  &amp;quot;i&amp;#039;m a griefer would like to animate your av&amp;#039;...500x even on mute&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  votes on that JIRA.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yeah, the last one - when you import, would you relate it to DEV-33943 Alexa?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  That&amp;#039;s the llDialog one&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  yes sir!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:26] [[User:LSL Scientist|LSL Scientist]]:  and dont stop even after you relog after the mute&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:27] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1604  - Typecasting float to string causes precision loss &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:27] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I say text spam should be okay. Kids don&amp;#039;t read enough these days &amp;gt;:(&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:27] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  Heh.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:27] [[User:Slee Mayo|Slee Mayo]]:  soft, did Q get with you lastweek about the current sound exploit going around?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:27] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  welcome to the fuzzy world of floating point numbers ;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:28] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Slee - yup, got that&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:28] [[User:Slee Mayo|Slee Mayo]]:  k&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:28] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i&amp;#039;d mark SVC-1604 as expected&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:28] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Hrm. Do we specify what precision our floats have?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:28] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Latif - I&amp;#039;m suspecting that, but I&amp;#039;d like to see if it&amp;#039;s within promised precision&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:29] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  I don&amp;#039;t think the typecast is changing the precision - it&amp;#039;s just not possible to store the number specified as a float?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:29] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  okay, we just say IEEE-754 with 32-bit precision&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:29] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  floats are single precision IIEE floating point&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:29] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Looks like we arbitrarily cut if off at six decimals though.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:30] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  That&amp;#039;s kinda silly. Though it could sure cause problems if we change it... hrm.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:30] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Should import for babbage and company to make a decision on.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:30] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  k&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:30] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  babbage has office hours too, if anyone has strong feelings on this. Might be a good place for a discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:30] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1765  - llParticleSystem targets or emits from child prim at location relative to avatar origin, not prim apparent position if attached while rezzed. &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:31] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Does anyone know if objects&amp;#039; local ID changes when worn/unworn?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:32] [[User:Object: Hello,|Object: Hello,]]:  Avatar!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:32] [[User:Avatar: Hello,|Avatar: Hello,]]:  Object!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:32] [[User:LSL Scientist|LSL Scientist]]:  it changes&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:32] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  shouldn&amp;#039;t change&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:32] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  that&amp;#039;s how i usually transport servers to other sims. you wear them and teleport&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:LSL Scientist|LSL Scientist]]:  ah, i understood wrong, yea if you just wear it from world it dont change&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  particle system works with uuid as the target, and the uuid changes on rez&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  i don&amp;#039;t know if the same happens for child-prims&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Object: Hello,|Object: Hello,]]:  Avatar!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Avatar: Hello,|Avatar: Hello,]]:  Object!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Object: My|Object: My]]:  ID is 76f80c87-061c-3a8b-5420-575eaac987d0&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]:  localID is not the same as llGetKey()&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Object: My|Object: My]]:  ID is 76f80c87-061c-3a8b-5420-575eaac987d0&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  what is a local id?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:33] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]:  viewer side only, right?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:34] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  The local id shouldn&amp;#039;t change when the region key doesn&amp;#039;t change, afaik&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:34] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  Dedric it&amp;#039;s an unsigned iteger that is the ID of a prim within a sim&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:34] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  The local id is on the sim - it&amp;#039;s just a number assigned sequentially instead of pseudorandomly&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:34] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  So that objects can be referenced with just a couple bytes instead of a full key&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:35] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  We should be able to do something with this.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:35] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Let&amp;#039;s import this guy&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:35] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  will do&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:35] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2250  - Body of email from outworld to object never arrives, subject, address do arrive. &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:35] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Same time though, there&amp;#039;s an easy workaround in scripts if they just reissue the particle system on change events&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:36] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  the comments suggests that particle system does not work even if started after attach&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:37] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  looks back at the last one...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:37] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  no coments since march&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:37] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i have seen email failures randomly per sim base, a call to support and a sim restart usually clears it up&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:38] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yeah. I see emails just stop arriving sometimes, which is fixed by a restart. That&amp;#039;s a separate issue...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:38] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  nmi - still experiencing this problem?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:38] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  This one with headers but no body arriving sometimes shows up just as a sim is restarted.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:39] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yeah, NMI - still happening? And is it all emails or just some? And if some, can they think of anything else that happened around that time? Slow sim? Restart?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:39] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:39] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2503  - Avatar falls through slowly moving prims in 1.22.2 that worked prior to this release. &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:39] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  2008&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:40] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yeah. Havok4 broke a number of non-sitting elevators&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:40] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  yes, I remember a few other bug re: this&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Won&amp;#039;t Finish, unfortuantely. Changing the rules meow could cause more damage than it fixes.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  meow?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Slee Mayo|Slee Mayo]]:  haha&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  damnit&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ^^&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  LOL&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  lol&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;ve got a gesture that changes n o w into meow&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  noted ;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  won&amp;#039;t fix meow&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Slee Mayo|Slee Mayo]]:  supertroopers&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yus&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-259  - Linked sets numbered incorrectly when joined &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Having a stubborn contest with a friend to see who&amp;#039;ll deactivate the gesture first.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:41] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  lol&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:42] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  latif - you&amp;#039;re right about that particle issue and restarting particle systems. But still, should get properly fixed when imported&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:43] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  cool&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:43] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  SVC-259 is a headache.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:43] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  :p&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:44] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  Was it ever documented what link number a prim receives?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:44] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;ve seen people struggle with this repeatedly, like with attachments that have xytext on them that relies on being in a specific link position, and they go to add more bits.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:44] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]:  is &amp;quot;correctly&amp;quot; even defined for that?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:44] [[User:Johan Laurasia|Johan Laurasia]]:  well, properly scripted stuff determines the proper link number&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:44] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  i would imagine the last object selected retains it&amp;#039;s original link positions.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:44] [[User:LSL Scientist|LSL Scientist]]:  exactly&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:44] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i personally only rely on link names&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:44] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  What do people think about making this &amp;#039;New prims should always be added to the end of a linked set&amp;#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:45] [[User:Johan Laurasia|Johan Laurasia]]:  whatever it happens to be&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:45] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  And a feature request&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:45] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  I think that is expected Soft&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:45] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;d sure be down with retitling it that way and importing&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:45] [[User:Kaluura Boa|Kaluura Boa]]:  I think I read somewhere new prims are always linked as child 2 and beyond&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  unless you have an index specified where the prim will be inserted&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  so rename, move and import?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  ouch? child 2?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yus!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  will do :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  And can you fix it too, while you&amp;#039;re at it Alexa?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3925  - Some persistant prim properties lost when duplicated &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  lol sure thing ;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  You&amp;#039;re doing everything else, so...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  with my teki wiki prowess.......&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  *cough*&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:46] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Ah yeah, import too&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:47] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:47] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4259  - Group Role Ability &amp;gt; Object Management &amp;gt; Manipulate Group Objects Enables anyone enabled to return group objects. &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:47] [[User:LSL Scientist|LSL Scientist]]:  (offtopic, i made new sign for sandbox ppl, allows anyone to copy)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:47] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  lmao&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:48] [[User:Slee Mayo|Slee Mayo]]:  that looks like emily&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:48] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  This would be a dupe of SVC-585 I think&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:48] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-585|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-585]]: &lt;br /&gt;
* [#SVC-585] [[User:same group|same group]]:  policy for group-owned and group-shared objects&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:48] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:49] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-432  - owners teleport to landing zones &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:49] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Should probably import SVC-585 - the original of the last one&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:49] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  this one is very annoying indeed&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  432 sounds like expected behavior, but annoying&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  +1 Latif&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Yeah, this should be imported.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  We actually hired an engineer to work on teleport exclusively for a while. So she can take this one up!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  import it is&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4321  - Media URLs too short &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  as far as i recall the problem is only on telports outside the sim&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Alexa - if you want to add Whump as a watcher on the last one, he can get it into the new engineer&amp;#039;s hands&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:50] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  (local tps work fine)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:51] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:51] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Didn&amp;#039;t we do one similar to this last week?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:52] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  I can check....&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:52] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  don&amp;#039;t remember off hand....&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:52] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  URL&amp;#039;s should be 1024 characters&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:52] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  still has vacation brain&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:52] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;m trying to find it.. having major deja vu&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  thought of the font just then. &amp;gt;_&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]:  that&amp;#039;s from dec-28: SVC-4109&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4109|JIRA-helper: http//jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4109]]: &lt;br /&gt;
* [#SVC-4109] [[User:maximum URL|maximum URL]]:  length problematic with http-in&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  vacation brain is good :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  And no, I don&amp;#039;t remember either. :p&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Ah yeah!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  nice job Thickbrick :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Okay, so no - not a dupe&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  255 char limit in caps server ;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I&amp;#039;d import, and relate it to that one&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:53] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  We need to check all our URL handling.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Bug Triage|Bug Triage]]:  https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-876  - &amp;#039;For Sale&amp;#039; based search does not show scripted vendors &lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Unless we&amp;#039;re going to launch our own bit.ly :P&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  could do URL shortoning somehow&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  yea&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  sl.ly&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  siearra leone does sell .sl domains for cheap :)&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Jonathan Yap|Jonathan Yap]]:  But would the expanded url overflow some buffer later on?&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Hell with that. Let&amp;#039;s just buy the .sl tld.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Sierra Leone hasn&amp;#039;t got -that- much to put on the web.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:54] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  well, you can already use bit.ly - so later on is now&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:55] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  The scripted vendor issue... hrm.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:55] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  why buy SL tld? you can sue for copyright infringement&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:55] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  This should be imported for discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:55] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  i think the country was there first :P&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:55] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  ok&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:55] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  tough!&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:55] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  And that&amp;#039;s the last one for today&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:55] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  The frustrating part is many scripted vendors also rename themselves to the current item. So even showing those would make for interesting search results.&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Latif Khalifa|Latif Khalifa]]:  goo.gl got a greenland one&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  we have 5 minutes&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  thank you all for joining us today&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  and welcome to tall the new faces&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Johan Laurasia|Johan Laurasia]]:  mine do t hat&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Davy Linden|Davy Linden]]:  thanks, all&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  feel free to join us every Monday&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Heyyyyyy...&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Sahkolihaa Contepomi|Sahkolihaa Contepomi]]:  xP&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  Anyone have favorite spots to visit? Should make a tradition of spamming slurls at the end of the meeting. :3&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Dedric Mauriac|Dedric Mauriac]]:  one of these mondays you&amp;#039;ll get down to my bug on the list&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Johan Laurasia|Johan Laurasia]]:  tempura island&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:56] [[User:Alexa Linden|Alexa Linden]]:  Thanks as always to Harleen for the agenda and to Ellla for the heavy duty triaging work in Pjira&lt;br /&gt;
* [12:57] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]:  I got wanderlust over the weekend, realized I&amp;#039;ve been haunting the same&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Alexa Linden</name></author>
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