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== List of Speakers ==
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|<font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b></font>
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|<font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b></font>
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|<font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b></font>
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|<font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b></font>
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|<font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b></font>
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|<font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b></font>
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== Transcript ==
[09:06] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: hello Kelly</nowiki></font>

[09:07] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: hello.</nowiki></font>

[09:07] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Hi Kelly</nowiki></font>

[09:07] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: good morning. Sorry for being late.</nowiki></font>

[09:07] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: morning</nowiki></font>

[09:07] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: Kal, buy me RL gas chromatography system</nowiki></font>

[09:08] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Afternoon... Or maybe early evening...</nowiki></font>

[09:08] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: =^_^= Sure... No problem...</nowiki></font>

[09:08] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: everyone have a good weekend?</nowiki></font>

[09:08] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: yea ^^</nowiki></font>

[09:08] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: yeah, did you?</nowiki></font>

[09:09] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: enh. I survived.</nowiki></font>

[09:09] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: ;)</nowiki></font>

[09:09] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: so today is general topics.</nowiki></font>

[09:10] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: First a project update: mono2-aware (to make way for new mono version and the stall fix went out to all of agni 2 weeks ago.</nowiki></font>

[09:11] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Is there a date for when it will go out on aditi?</nowiki></font>

[09:11] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Working now on getting all the versions on aditi updated so we can begin testing the actual mono2 upgrade there, hopefully later this week. But I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up pushed out to next week.</nowiki></font>

[09:11] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: good to hear its soon at least</nowiki></font>

[09:12] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Bleh... Group chat failure... Can't ring the end of the recess...</nowiki></font>

[09:13] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: The xmpp server was running again this morning</nowiki></font>

[09:13] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I haven't had a chance to play with that - how has it been working for you?</nowiki></font>

[09:13] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: That may explain the "Starting session" and nothing after that</nowiki></font>

[09:14] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: I've mostly been connecting via pidgin but also from a self-compiled viewer</nowiki></font>

[09:14] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Doesn't work well so far...</nowiki></font>

[09:14] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: heh</nowiki></font>

[09:14] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: There were bugs but the basic function was there</nowiki></font>

[09:15] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: "Unable to start a chat session... blahblah Go f*** yourself!"</nowiki></font>

[09:15] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: I think that's what the headless viewer project is being done for -- to load test the xmpp stuff</nowiki></font>

[09:15] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Heh. Well I don't have any further scripting updates today. So open for general Q&A</nowiki></font>

[09:16] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: We are also using it to load test the server, in combination with some bot-army stuff.</nowiki></font>

[09:16] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Why not llIntegerToHex()? This shouldn't be complicate...</nowiki></font>

[09:16] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Not complicated but rendered redundant with TheNextLanguage.</nowiki></font>

[09:17] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: when we get the next language then?</nowiki></font>

[09:17] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Do you have a confirmed date for the arrival of The Next Language?</nowiki></font>

[09:17] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Nope, but eventually. Sometime. Probably. :)</nowiki></font>

[09:17] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: hehe</nowiki></font>

[09:17] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Soom(tm)...</nowiki></font>

[09:17] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Soon</nowiki></font>

[09:17] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: untill then, we want new LSL functions to keep us intrested</nowiki></font>

[09:18] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I'm very resistant to adding functions that will pollute the namespace / api with functions that are trivial or already covered in more robust languages.</nowiki></font>

[09:19] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: atleast give us some stuff we desperately need, like the ability to return with LSL</nowiki></font>

[09:19] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: More interested in functions that specifically relate to interaction with the SL specific systems.</nowiki></font>

[09:19] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: return objectsÄ</nowiki></font>

[09:19] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes, like that.</nowiki></font>

[09:19] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: The problem with that is that LSL misses those basic things... And TheNextLanguage is not coming any time soon</nowiki></font>

[09:19] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: set return timers, reclaim on estate owned land ,etc</nowiki></font>

[09:20] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: It is only a few lines of code to do that anyway Kaluura.</nowiki></font>

[09:20] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Wasted memory...</nowiki></font>

[09:20] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I have a decision chart I should probably share, I think I just need to remove some names from it.</nowiki></font>

[09:21] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: speaking of memory. YUou think it owuld be possible to get more script mem before the next language?</nowiki></font>

[09:21] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I will see if I can multitask to do that quickly.</nowiki></font>

[09:21] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: -typos</nowiki></font>

[09:21] <font color=#808080><b>Kelly.linden)</b><nowiki>: Yes Well first 'small scripts' (set a lower upper-bound for mono scripts then limits then bigger scripts.</nowiki></font>

[09:21] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: then the next language</nowiki></font>

[09:22] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Can we have PRIM_SLICE?</nowiki></font>

[09:22] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: ah yes better control of prim deformations</nowiki></font>

[09:23] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I took a quick look at PRIM_SLICE. Adding it as a paramter on the existing shapes is way more difficult than it should be.</nowiki></font>

[09:23] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: I also would like all params to be extended up to 0.98 instead of 0.95...</nowiki></font>

[09:23] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Would be easier to have the separate PRIM_SLICE parameter but ugly too.</nowiki></font>

[09:23] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: 0.99</nowiki></font>

[09:23] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: We don't mind ugly... as long as it usable.</nowiki></font>

[09:24] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: yea, if we cant take the easy way, we rather take hard way than to not anything at all</nowiki></font>

[09:24] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll take another look at it then.</nowiki></font>

[09:24] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: I think the issue is the hard way means x, y, and z don't get worked on for a while</nowiki></font>

[09:25] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: There are also a lot llSetLink( missing functions.</nowiki></font>

[09:25] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: What do you mean kaluura?</nowiki></font>

[09:25] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: llSLPP[F] is supposed to fill the gap but I still miss llLinkTextureOffset( for example</nowiki></font>

[09:26] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Ah, the ability to set some individual paramters for llSLPP?</nowiki></font>

[09:26] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: particle and omega for example still missing from llSLPPFast</nowiki></font>

[09:26] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Yes...</nowiki></font>

[09:26] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes llSLPPF is still missing some.</nowiki></font>

[09:26] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: TargetOmega, I'd like that one!</nowiki></font>

[09:27] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: kelly have you ever thought of an automated system to update the syntax highlighting keywords in the viewer, so if something does change it wont lag behind, for instance we still don't have highlights for PRIM_ NAME, PRIM_DESC</nowiki></font>

[09:27] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Yes, I have.</nowiki></font>

[09:28] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: or, even if it wasnt in the viewer, a keyword list file hosted somewhere that could be used to keep external editor syntaxs up to date</nowiki></font>

[09:28] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I'd love to have the sim send down a hash or version for a keword file and for the viewer to be able to request the file via cap if it had changed</nowiki></font>

[09:29] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: The file now is an xml stored in the viewer tree?</nowiki></font>

[09:29] <font color=#808080><b>Kelly.linden</b><nowiki>: not quite There are two files (at least one a plain text list of non-function keywords</nowiki></font>

[09:30] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: And then the function/event keywords are pulled from the LSL compiler directly</nowiki></font>

[09:30] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: It was partially if not totally reintegrated in the viewer source... Meaning: Not easy to change on the fly.</nowiki></font>

[09:30] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: and kaluura what about setlinkparticlesystem, why does it need to be in primitiveparamsfast?</nowiki></font>

[09:30] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: so the viewer would need to change to use a complete LLSD as the highlighting wsource</nowiki></font>

[09:30] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Not my words... It was Liisa's... And the wiki says: </nowiki>http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlLinkParticleSystem</font>

[09:30] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: err liisa nor kaluura sorry</nowiki></font>

[09:31] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: (I checked)</nowiki></font>

[09:31] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: i prefer everything to work trough primparamsFast so i can do the change in one hit and get better sync on stuff</nowiki></font>

[09:32] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: particle systems are too complex</nowiki></font>

[09:32] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: but i could be happy with separate function too. anything that helps me take out silly lil child scripts</nowiki></font>

[09:32] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: I don't think you can achieve any synchronisation with particles... Too random.</nowiki></font>

[09:33] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: You shouldn't need child scripts for particles with that function above.</nowiki></font>

[09:33] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: yea, i would not, but untill we get it we need the child scripts</nowiki></font>

[09:33] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: its out now</nowiki></font>

[09:33] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: It's available already</nowiki></font>

[09:33] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: im using it in my staff</nowiki></font>

[09:33] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: it is? neat</nowiki></font>

[09:34] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: yeah</nowiki></font>

[09:34] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: :)</nowiki></font>

[09:34] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: then the omega</nowiki></font>

[09:34] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: You should check the list from time to time...</nowiki></font>

[09:34] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: something we cant to is targetomega</nowiki></font>

[09:34] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: yeah</nowiki></font>

[09:35] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: also, and i imagine it isnt entirely your department, but even syntax highlighting on the wiki is lacking</nowiki></font>

[09:36] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: hmm hmm, also llGetSimulatorAgentKeyList( eould be great improvement towards more efficient scripts</nowiki></font>

[09:36] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: would</nowiki></font>

[09:36] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I have comments on the jira for that. It isn't as easy as you would think!</nowiki></font>

[09:36] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: There are interesting script and simulator memory repurcusions.</nowiki></font>

[09:36] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: the easier solution would probably be a feed from the viewer</nowiki></font>

[09:37] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: LL refuse to implement RLV in the official viewer...</nowiki></font>

[09:37] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: it wouldnt be rlv</nowiki></font>

[09:37] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: just entering or leaving, and key sent on a channel</nowiki></font>

[09:38] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: RLV allows the viewer and script to talk to eachother</nowiki></font>

[09:38] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: That's the interesting part.</nowiki></font>

[09:39] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Scripted clothing management might be interesting too...</nowiki></font>

[09:39] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Here is the new LSL function decision chart I left with my coworkers when I started my leave last november - it isn't perfect but pretty close to my general thinking </nowiki>http://screencast.com/t/9uLfvTwa</font>

[09:39] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: maybe not as easy as i think, but LL been in the path on improving performance and removing hundreds of flying sensors from the sims would prolly improve the performance a bit</nowiki></font>

[09:40] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah. Some event that triggered when agents entered or left the region and/or parcel would probably be the better approach.</nowiki></font>

[09:40] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: though it makes it difficult to get the list on a region that already has people in it. Guess you fall back to sensors in that case.</nowiki></font>

[09:40] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: yup</nowiki></font>

[09:41] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: but i bet the sim has the list already, it must have, why cant we call it?</nowiki></font>

[09:41] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: kelly do you mean by lines of sl, the input required, or the overall line count when formatting to be readable isnt an issue</nowiki></font>

[09:41] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: lsl</nowiki></font>

[09:41] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: How does the viewer do for its radar? There must be a way to insert a hook...</nowiki></font>

[09:41] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: It is just a rough first estimate of how difficult it is to do it in LSL</nowiki></font>

[09:42] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: viewer uses CoarseLocationUpdate for "radar"</nowiki></font>

[09:42] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: the server has* a list of agents, that isn't the hard part.</nowiki></font>

[09:42] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: It sounds like we are dancing a bit around client side scripting</nowiki></font>

[09:43] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: We've been dancing for a while already...</nowiki></font>

[09:43] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: The hard part is that returning a list that could right now be 100 uuids long is significant memory size for scripts, and means that if we ever increased the servers capabilities we may break scripts. While that probably falls in the 'tough love' case we'd really rather just not get into that case at all.</nowiki></font>

[09:43] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: client side script would be ideal for this, except CoarseLocationUpdate is flawed</nowiki></font>

[09:44] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: 8-bit resolution</nowiki></font>

[09:44] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: rather than return a long list how about a data server event response?</nowiki></font>

[09:44] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: What, you want more than 8bits of resolution for height?</nowiki></font>

[09:44] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Who got that idea to store keys in strings instead of long integers? Sigh...</nowiki></font>

[09:44] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: It would still be a long list</nowiki></font>

[09:45] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: tehKellz, 8 bits gives you only 0-1024m with 4m resolution</nowiki></font>

[09:45] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah. I know Latif.</nowiki></font>

[09:45] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: it should be 4096 really</nowiki></font>

[09:45] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: and you can buld up to 4096... bunch of jiras about it</nowiki></font>

[09:45] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I know. I was joking.</nowiki></font>

[09:45] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: It is horrible behavior for the current world.</nowiki></font>

[09:46] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: so even client side would have trouble with it</nowiki></font>

[09:46] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: how hard would it be to extend the packet from the server with some higher resolution fields added to the end?</nowiki></font>

[09:46] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: AFAIK, the minimap of all the client show ppl underground when they are above 1024m</nowiki></font>

[09:46] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: clients</nowiki></font>

[09:46] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: thats why</nowiki></font>

[09:46] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: it would be better to replace it with a new packet.</nowiki></font>

[09:46] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: it's very easy to add another block... but lindens were worried about the size of that message</nowiki></font>

[09:47] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah, we send those very frequently</nowiki></font>

[09:47] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Can't the current just be extended with a new value that will be invisible to older clients not aware of it?</nowiki></font>

[09:47] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: current block</nowiki></font>

[09:48] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: adding blocks to message template can easily be done in backwards compatible way... i'd just add another byte per z, that would add 1 byte per agent on sim</nowiki></font>

[09:48] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: you could add 1 byte which would show what group of ranges to use 0..1023, 1024..2047, etc</nowiki></font>

[09:48] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: We did that once already to add UUIDs I think.</nowiki></font>

[09:48] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: yes</nowiki></font>

[09:49] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: OK! Sold! :P</nowiki></font>

[09:49] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: heh</nowiki></font>

[09:50] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: the viewer should really know about the current state of the server, leaving it unknowing like that is terrible in my opinion</nowiki></font>

[09:50] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: 10 minute warning.</nowiki></font>

[09:51] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Meaning: Type faster, Liisa! :P</nowiki></font>

[09:51] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: btw, you know anything about the possible limits to llVolumeDetect? some linden told us that it will be removed from megaprims.</nowiki></font>

[09:52] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Falcon or andrew would know more about that.</nowiki></font>

[09:52] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: currently volumedetect is the only way to make object really phantom, the kind of phantom that dont collide with terrain</nowiki></font>

[09:52] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: VolumeDetect is really crappy performance wise so it wouldn't surprise me</nowiki></font>

[09:52] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: The would break things...</nowiki></font>

[09:52] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: That*</nowiki></font>

[09:52] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: Falcon says all sorts of things... and then recants ;)</nowiki></font>

[09:53] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: Liisa, I think the latest is that it wa't be removed</nowiki></font>

[09:53] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: won't</nowiki></font>

[09:53] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: it is crappy performance wise, but hot air balloon with volumedetect take 0.1ms from the sim while the same thig as normal phantom lag the sim like hell</nowiki></font>

[09:53] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I think they are adding more ways to adjust the physics representation of things with mesh.</nowiki></font>

[09:53] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: anyway, if you dont know about it, lets talke about something else</nowiki></font>

[09:54] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: ok. :)</nowiki></font>

[09:54] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: What is the next function we should see arrive?</nowiki></font>

[09:54] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I don't have any in the pipe right now.</nowiki></font>

[09:55] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki> holds breath</nowiki></font>

[09:55] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I'm currently working on what happens to abandonded land.</nowiki></font>

[09:55] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: i got 3 surveys from linden lab last week, whoever made them knows SL well, very good questions. i wrote c# scripting as my nr. priority for enhancing content creation in sl. hopefully others did too :)</nowiki></font>

[09:55] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Latif is that the 85 million question one?</nowiki></font>

[09:55] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i just think its odd to consider replacing lsl when there are no public plans at the moment</nowiki></font>

[09:55] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: hope springs eternal :)</nowiki></font>

[09:55] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: tehKellz yes</nowiki></font>

[09:55] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I couldn't believe the size, but I did give input on the scripting questions.</nowiki></font>

[09:56] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: it had a lot of questions, but they were not silly like most surveys are.</nowiki></font>

[09:56] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: showed that a lot of thought went into it</nowiki></font>

[09:56] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah, I just fear it is too long for many to bother finishing. Glad you did.</nowiki></font>

[09:56] <font color=#b500b5><b>Jonathan Yap</b><nowiki>: Is there a url for that survey or is it one of those random login ones?</nowiki></font>

[09:56] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I don't know how it was distributed</nowiki></font>

[09:56] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i finished it too, i hope the feedback is actually used</nowiki></font>

[09:57] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: email i believe</nowiki></font>

[09:57] <font color=#808080><b>Latif Khalifa)</b><nowiki>: i got two (and i have two premium accounts so it seems they went only to select group (premuim?)</nowiki></font>

[09:57] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: I haven't been surveyed since the last time I refused...</nowiki></font>

[09:57] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: They were targeting content creators, so I'm not sure how they chose the participants.</nowiki></font>

[09:57] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: ah</nowiki></font>

[09:57] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Maybe they choose ppl from MarketPlace</nowiki></font>

[09:58] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: could be</nowiki></font>

[09:58] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Maybe.</nowiki></font>

[09:58] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i disliked the word limit on some of write ins, heh</nowiki></font>

[09:58] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: heh</nowiki></font>

[09:58] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: heh, i never run into word limit</nowiki></font>

[09:59] <font color=#b5005a><b>Draconis Neurocam</b><nowiki>: i hope you guys actually use the feedback though</nowiki></font>

[09:59] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: well hopefully mono2 goes out live, and then it would be even more silly not not have c# scripting than it already is :)</nowiki></font>

[09:59] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I'll definitely read it.</nowiki></font>

[10:00] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: i mean soon. if the mesh ppl wake up and merge it into their own ode</nowiki></font>

[10:00] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: +c</nowiki></font>

[10:00] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Please, no! No more things tied to meshes!</nowiki></font>

[10:00] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: well mono2 rollout is now tied to them</nowiki></font>

[10:00] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: I'm actively working to keep scripting improvements from having a dependency on any other project, mesh included.</nowiki></font>

[10:01] <font color=#5a00b5><b>Liisa Runo</b><nowiki>: yea, people will hate mesh even before it arrive if mesh is to blame for not getting megaprims and stuff that has nothing to do with mesh</nowiki></font>

[10:01] <font color=#0000b5><b>Kaluura Boa</b><nowiki>: Right now, meshes are blocking a lot of things</nowiki></font>

[10:01] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: tehKellz, then need -aware patch since half of aditi is mesh</nowiki></font>

[10:02] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: yeah, we have two approaches to fix it. They are working on getting their dev branch suitable for aditi deploy, and on friday I merged the version already on aditi with the mono2-aware. Hopefully one of those can be deployed shortly.</nowiki></font>

[10:02] <font color=#005ab5><b>Latif Khalifa</b><nowiki>: fingress crossed :)</nowiki></font>

[10:03] <font color=#4c0039><b>Kelly Linden</b><nowiki>: Ok! Thanks for coming. I'll figure out how to get this on a calendar.</nowiki></font>