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		<title>Torley Linden: moved Doc Team/2008-02-8 to Doc Team/2008-02-08</title>
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		<title>Torley Linden: moved User:Jeremy Linden/Office Hours/2008-2-8 to Doc Team/2008-02-8</title>
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		<title>Jeremy Linden at 14:48, 11 April 2008</title>
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		<title>Jeremy Linden: New page: &lt;pre&gt; [13:57]  You: Hello Becky. Welcome back to Documentation Office Hours! [13:57]  You: Er... in 3 minutes or so. [13:57]  Becky Pippen: thanks, Hiya, and Happy Friday! [13:57]  You: Th...</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;New page: &amp;lt;pre&amp;gt; [13:57]  You: Hello Becky. Welcome back to Documentation Office Hours! [13:57]  You: Er... in 3 minutes or so. [13:57]  Becky Pippen: thanks, Hiya, and Happy Friday! [13:57]  You: Th...&lt;/p&gt;
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[13:57]  You: Hello Becky. Welcome back to Documentation Office Hours!&lt;br /&gt;
[13:57]  You: Er... in 3 minutes or so.&lt;br /&gt;
[13:57]  Becky Pippen: thanks, Hiya, and Happy Friday!&lt;br /&gt;
[13:57]  You: Thanks. TGIF :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[13:58]  You: Hello Saijanai. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[13:59]  Saijanai Kuhn: yo&lt;br /&gt;
[13:59]  Becky Pippen: Hi Saijanai, I like your summary page for the Mono&lt;br /&gt;
[13:59]  Becky Pippen: JIRA issues&lt;br /&gt;
[14:00]  Saijanai Kuhn: yeah, these old eyes have a hard time scanning that. I do it once a day anyway to update thepage&lt;br /&gt;
[14:00]  You: Eh?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:00]  Saijanai Kuhn: have hard time scanning the jira&lt;br /&gt;
[14:00]  Becky Pippen: it&amp;#039;s time-consuming fer sure&lt;br /&gt;
[14:00]  Saijanai Kuhn: This: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Saijanai_Kuhn/Mono_issues vs this: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1276&lt;br /&gt;
[14:01]  You: Heh. I&amp;#039;ll agree with that. It&amp;#039;s hard to organize so much information, though.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:02]  Saijanai Kuhn: it probably wouldn&amp;#039;t make sense for most of hte other issues, but mono has special error messages and such and there&amp;#039;s a LOT of people finding thesame errors&lt;br /&gt;
[14:02]  You: Wow. I&amp;#039;m something of an LSL enthusiast myself, but I&amp;#039;ve got very little software engineering training outside Second Life.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:03]  You: I should play with Mono a bit more, I guess!&lt;br /&gt;
[14:03]  Saijanai Kuhn: it was more interesting before they added all the delays back in...&lt;br /&gt;
[14:03]  Becky Pippen: hehe&lt;br /&gt;
[14:03]  Saijanai Kuhn: but we knew they had to&lt;br /&gt;
[14:03]  You: I bet... when did that happen?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:03]  Saijanai Kuhn: I guess with the first update of the sims.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:04]  You: Hello Brigitta1! Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:04]  Brigitta1 Ballyhoo: hi&lt;br /&gt;
[14:04]  Saijanai Kuhn: for a couple of days, you had zero delay on certain calls and we were getting silly results like 100 rotations in 0.04 seconds&lt;br /&gt;
[14:04]  You: I&amp;#039;d actually love to see a reduction in delays on things like llSleep and the timers... it would make musical instruments more viable, for instance.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:05]  Saijanai Kuhn: yeah. right now, link messagse and sleep are actually slower in mono than without&lt;br /&gt;
[14:05]  Saijanai Kuhn: not sure about timer response time&lt;br /&gt;
[14:05]  You: Hm. Really? I found that to be true only before I recompiled for Mono.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:05]  Saijanai Kuhn: maybe its changed again. I haven&amp;#039;t run the tests i a couople of days&lt;br /&gt;
[14:05]  Becky Pippen: and it&amp;#039;s funny when llSetTime() stops working when there&amp;#039;s a tight loop with no library calls&lt;br /&gt;
[14:06]  Becky Pippen: i mean llGetTime()&lt;br /&gt;
[14:06]  Saijanai Kuhn: hdan&amp;#039;t noticed that one. Don&amp;#039;t think its jiraed, is it?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:06]  Becky Pippen: it is.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:06]  Saijanai Kuhn: doh. I check them every day and haven&amp;#039;t noticed it&lt;br /&gt;
[14:06]  You: Heheh. Anyway, I&amp;#039;m not the right person to really talk to about Mono, obviously. Do you guys have any documentation concerns this week?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:07]  You: *cricket*&lt;br /&gt;
[14:08]  Saijanai Kuhn: not per se. I&amp;#039;m doing the volunteer work for the AWG, documenting the client server porotocols on thewiki. Just thought I&amp;#039;d drop in for a bit&lt;br /&gt;
[14:08]  You: Ah, glad you could make it! The wiki&amp;#039;s a little bit out-of-scope here, but I do occasionally refer to it when I&amp;#039;m writing Knowledge Base articles.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:09]  You: We tend to reserve the wiki for very technical subjects that we feel are too confusing for the KB, like the technicaly details of sculpties.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:09]  Saijanai Kuhn: sure. And my stuff is geekier than that usually. But it IS documentation ;-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:09]  You: And by &amp;quot;we&amp;quot; I mean me and Jon at the moment... It&amp;#039;s a wiki, so it&amp;#039;s open to whatever anyone puts in :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:09]  You: Indeed!&lt;br /&gt;
[14:10]  You: Hello Zuis. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours!&lt;br /&gt;
[14:10]  Zuis Mertel: Hello and thnaks&lt;br /&gt;
[14:10]  Saijanai Kuhn: I&amp;#039;m trying to figure out how group IM works. Its a scary topic&lt;br /&gt;
[14:10]  Becky Pippen: ooohh! group IM code sounds like a rats nest&lt;br /&gt;
[14:10]  You: Heh. I can&amp;#039;t help much on the protocol side- I&amp;#039;m focused mainly on helping people learn to use the Viewer and Second Life&amp;#039;s related web services.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:11]  Saijanai Kuhn: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/ImprovedInstantMessage&lt;br /&gt;
[14:11]  Saijanai Kuhn: its worse than it sounds, even&lt;br /&gt;
[14:11]  Zuis Mertel: Jeremy if i my put a quetion&lt;br /&gt;
[14:11]  WidgetHUD v1.1: Zuis Mertel has pinged you.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:11]  Saijanai Kuhn: the problem is the documentaton doesn&amp;#039;t really exist except in someone&amp;#039;s head&lt;br /&gt;
[14:12]  You: Of course, Zuis. Go ahead!&lt;br /&gt;
[14:12]  Zuis Mertel: im native Portuguese&lt;br /&gt;
[14:12]  Zuis Mertel: and the Viwer never seems to have taht linguge finalized can you help&lt;br /&gt;
[14:13]  Zuis Mertel: or get me a contat because i wold like to help on that&lt;br /&gt;
[14:13]  You: Hm. What do you mean by &amp;quot;finalized&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:13]  Saijanai Kuhn: localized?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:13]  Babbler3.17: localizzato?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:13]  Zuis Mertel: thara are many words that are in ingles wen we activate the portuguese version&lt;br /&gt;
[14:14]  Saijanai Kuhn: language localization&lt;br /&gt;
[14:14]  Zuis Mertel: yes Localzation of the viwer is not as good as it can be&lt;br /&gt;
[14:14]  Babbler3.17: localizzazione di lingua&lt;br /&gt;
[14:14]  You: Ah. Hmm... That sounds like something that should be in public Jira, probably as a feature request.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:15]  You: jira.secondlife.com&lt;br /&gt;
[14:15]  Zuis Mertel: Ok I will have a look then&lt;br /&gt;
[14:15]  Saijanai Kuhn: I know there&amp;#039;s someone who does a lot of work on Japanese localziation. Maybe you could ask her about what to do&lt;br /&gt;
[14:15]  xSaijanai: Eu sei que há alguém que faz muitos do trabalho no localziation&lt;br /&gt;
japonês. Talvez você poderia perguntar-lhe sobre o que fazer&lt;br /&gt;
[14:16]  You: I&amp;#039;m sorry I can&amp;#039;t be more immediate help on that... It does appear that Portuguese language support is still in beta.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:16]  Zuis Mertel: ya and i wold like to help it gets out of beta if possible&lt;br /&gt;
[14:16]  Saijanai Kuhn: Alissa Sabre&lt;br /&gt;
[14:16]  xSaijanai: Alissa Sabre&lt;br /&gt;
[14:17]  Saijanai Kuhn: she des work on Japanese localization maybe should could point you to the right people&lt;br /&gt;
[14:17]  xSaijanai: trabalho do DES no localization japonês talvez puder o apontar aos&lt;br /&gt;
povos direitos&lt;br /&gt;
[14:17]  Saijanai Kuhn: she DOES work*&lt;br /&gt;
[14:17]  xSaijanai: trabalha *&lt;br /&gt;
[14:17]  Zuis Mertel: at the momento on the portuguese market si a big problem for adoption of sl&lt;br /&gt;
[14:17]  Zuis Mertel: Thanks SAijana i will trie to ask here ;-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:18]  You: The official Linden channel I can direct you to is public Jira. I&amp;#039;m not sure who handles localization internally here, but when the Jira task is triaged, I think the right people will be notified.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:18]  Time Minder: You have been online for 3 hours.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:18]  Zuis Mertel: Ok Jeremy&lt;br /&gt;
[14:18]  WidgetHUD v1.1: Zuis Mertel has pinged you.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:19]  You: From a documentation perspective, is the Knowledge Base and/or F1 Help also a problem for Portuguese speakers?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:19]  Zuis Mertel: yes big one&lt;br /&gt;
[14:20]  Zuis Mertel: it satrat on orinetetion island where they almost quit after fiighting&lt;br /&gt;
[14:20]  Zuis Mertel: with teh tuturial&lt;br /&gt;
[14:20]  You: The language was incorrect?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:20]  Roken Price: Hi&lt;br /&gt;
[14:21]  Zuis Mertel: not incorrect but not in protuguese&lt;br /&gt;
[14:21]  You: Hi Roken. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:21]  Roken Price: Thank you - this is my first &amp;quot;ijn world &amp;quot; meeting with Lindens&lt;br /&gt;
[14:22]  Zuis Mertel: that wold go to may next question , can i translat a lot o things , and do not infringe copyright&lt;br /&gt;
[14:22]  You: Heh. I&amp;#039;ll try to make a good impression, Roken.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:22]  Roken Price: LOL&lt;br /&gt;
[14:22]  Roken Price: So what is the scope here&lt;br /&gt;
[14:23]  You: Mostly the Knowledge Base, Roken... I have limited knowledge of other documentation projects, but I focus on helping people learn about how to use SL.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:23]  Roken Price: I guess asking for a free sim is off the cards :)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:23]  Saijanai Kuhn: talk to the libsl people&lt;br /&gt;
[14:23]  xSaijanai: conversa aos povos do libsl&lt;br /&gt;
[14:23]  Roken Price: OK - I spend a lot of my in world time doinfg that too&lt;br /&gt;
[14:24]  You: As for translation, Zuis... I would suggest that you send a request to Support-- I can&amp;#039;t comment on the legality of translating content from our website, but I know we have Lindens who are prepared with the right information.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:24]  Arawn Spitteler: Isn&amp;#039;t hte Wiki pretty much open for Translation?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:25]  Zuis Mertel: is it?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:26]  You: The wiki is a wiki... again, I don&amp;#039;t know whether it&amp;#039;s legal or not, but there must be precedent.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:26]  Saijanai Kuhn: The wiki is mostly under teh Creative Comomons license as far as I know&lt;br /&gt;
[14:26]  Saijanai Kuhn: or maybe its Share and Share ALike (or maybe htatis Createvie Commons)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:26]  Zuis Mertel: i wil have a look at the wiki&lt;br /&gt;
[14:26]  Saijanai Kuhn: maybe that is creative Common&lt;br /&gt;
[14:27]  Saijanai Kuhn: I think the license agreement is at the bottm of the wiki pages&lt;br /&gt;
[14:27]  You: Hm. That&amp;#039;s actually an interesting bit of research.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:27]  Saijanai Kuhn: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/ appears at the bottom of many wkik pages&lt;br /&gt;
[14:28]  You: &amp;quot;You are free to copy, distribute and transmit the work. You are free to adapt the work.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
[14:28]  Roken Price: Isn&amp;#039;t the Wiki - by it&amp;#039;s very nature open to everyone - regardless of their first language?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:29]  Saijanai Kuhn: sure, but copyright laws apply&lt;br /&gt;
[14:29]  You: &amp;quot;Under the following conditions: You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor. You must distribute the resulting work under the same or similar license.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
[14:29]  Saijanai Kuhn: but if you put original work on the SL wiki, then its automatically licesned by that license at the bottom of the page&lt;br /&gt;
[14:29]  Roken Price: But I was under the impression that the Wiki licennse was an open license&lt;br /&gt;
[14:29]  You: It&amp;#039;s a creative commons license... it&amp;#039;s pretty open, but there are rules.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:30]  Saijanai Kuhn: it is. But for legal purposes they have to show it: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/&lt;br /&gt;
[14:30]  You: It basically says &amp;quot;you can&amp;#039;t take work that someone posted here for free, and then claim it as your own.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
[14:31]  You: So, as long as you indicate where it came from, and you share it just as freely, you should be all set.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:31]  Roken Price: So much like any gnu license then&lt;br /&gt;
[14:31]  Saijanai Kuhn: when in doubt, send an email to Rob LInden&lt;br /&gt;
[14:31]  You: Hello Simon. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:31]  Roken Price: You can retain the rights - but the content is open&lt;br /&gt;
[14:31]  Simon Kline: hi all! thankyou :))&lt;br /&gt;
[14:31]  Saijanai Kuhn: he&amp;#039;s in charge of the wiki or at least parts of it&lt;br /&gt;
[14:32]  You: Yes, Rob, and I think Liana do a lot of work with the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:33]  You: Heh. The wiki has come up a lot in the past few weeks-- I may have to expand my sphere knowledge to that area soon :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:33]  Saijanai Kuhn: he&amp;#039;s edited some ofmy stuff. Maybe Liana has too&lt;br /&gt;
[14:34]  You: As I&amp;#039;m sure you&amp;#039;ve heard me say already, I&amp;#039;m largely focused on the Knowledge Base, which tends to be less technical than the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:34]  Simon Kline: the ever growing sphere of knowlege heh.. learning here is endless indeed&lt;br /&gt;
[14:34]  Saijanai Kuhn: yep&lt;br /&gt;
[14:34]  You: Quite so, Simon!&lt;br /&gt;
[14:35]  Roken Price: That&amp;#039;s the problem with SL documentation though - no one is really sure about rights issues - we have an open source platform, that no-one can comment on safe in the knowledge that they aren&amp;#039;t br4eaking a tabboo&lt;br /&gt;
[14:35]  Simon Kline: the knowledge base is great... i teach mentor orientaitons and ecourage new mentors to use it as their first line of research&lt;br /&gt;
[14:35]  You: I&amp;#039;m glad to hear that :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:35]  You: We&amp;#039;d also really appreciate any KB suggestions the Mentors can come up with, if they find something missing or unclear in the Knowledge Base.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:35]  Saijanai Kuhn: well, my rule of thum is that if I let Rob know what I&amp;#039;m doing, he can check it for elgal and technical issues.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:36]  Simon Kline: i guess you guys see statistics on how much the knowledge base is being used..... have you found the traffic is growing since publishing weekly on the SL blog?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:36]  Saijanai Kuhn: I&amp;#039;m sure some of it is. You upt the pointer to it on the login screen so people should know about it...&lt;br /&gt;
[14:37]  You: Hm. I haven&amp;#039;t checked the numbers myself, but Jon Linden (our KB editor, who is usually here) probably has a good handle on it!&lt;br /&gt;
[14:37]  Roken Price: As a user - I find the KB less use than the JIRA&lt;br /&gt;
[14:37]  Simon Kline: ahh cool&lt;br /&gt;
[14:37]  You: How so, Roken?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:37]  Saijanai Kuhn: less useful? The jira is just for bug-fixes and suggestions...&lt;br /&gt;
[14:38]  Roken Price: Jira keeps me informed of known problems - and I&amp;#039;m techinical ebough to know where the common problems are&lt;br /&gt;
[14:38]  Kakolcia Kanto shouts: air&lt;br /&gt;
[14:38]  You: Ahh. Yes, the KB is much more for learning about expected functionality and how the viewer -should- work :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:39]  Saijanai Kuhn: there are better ways of organizing that info then jira though&lt;br /&gt;
[14:39]  Roken Price: True - Jira is a minefield&lt;br /&gt;
[14:39]  Saijanai Kuhn: shameless plug: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Saijanai_Kuhn/Mono_issues&lt;br /&gt;
[14:39]  You: Saijanai, is that something that could be saved as a Jira search filter?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:39]  Simon Kline: one comment i hed about the Knowledge Base is i find it hard that I can&amp;#039;t give ppl a direct link to a particular KB page&lt;br /&gt;
[14:40]  Roken Price: It would be nice to see a consolidated approach to issues&lt;br /&gt;
[14:40]  Saijanai Kuhn: not right now. Comments and the dubug message, if there is one, aren&amp;#039;t part of the search results&lt;br /&gt;
[14:40]  Kakolcia Kanto shouts: heart&lt;br /&gt;
[14:40]  Simon Kline: hehe saijanai.. i accidentally crashed a sim on the test grid with the llLookAt rotatin issue.. that&amp;#039;s all fixed now tho :D&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  You: Hm. Yes, that&amp;#039;s an unfortunate situation we&amp;#039;re trying to resolve, Simon. We&amp;#039;ll be rolling out a Support portal renovation in about a month or so, which should fix a lot of those problems.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  Saijanai Kuhn: I&amp;#039;ve talked with Sidewinder and Periapse about if that could be changed but its not trivial to do&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  Simon Kline: oh awesome jeremy :D&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  WidgetHUD v1.1: Simon Kline has pinged you.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  Saijanai Kuhn: Is it marked that way? I tried to color code the issues if they&amp;#039;re fixed/closed/reopened etc&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  Krise Shepherd: hi guys sorry i am late&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  You: For now, though... you can use this link format: https://secondlife.com/community/support.php?questionID=[article number, after the dash]&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  Roken Price: MAy I offer an example of where there is little accessable information&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  You: Hi Krise. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:41]  You: Welcome Kakolcia, too!&lt;br /&gt;
[14:42]  Simon Kline: ohhh TY :D this will be super handy!&lt;br /&gt;
[14:42]  Kakolcia Kanto: hi&lt;br /&gt;
[14:42]  Roken Price: The Havok 4 experiment&lt;br /&gt;
[14:43]  Saijanai Kuhn: can&amp;#039;t figure out how to do the same for Havok 44. I gues I could just do the comments in a table&lt;br /&gt;
[14:43]  Roken Price: there is no info that I can find that suggests whether he trial is now real world - or still the test gtrid&lt;br /&gt;
[14:43]  Saijanai Kuhn: andrew and sidewinder hold office hours for H4 2x a week&lt;br /&gt;
[14:43]  Saijanai Kuhn: its both, ROken&lt;br /&gt;
[14:43]  Becky Pippen: THat&amp;#039;s been blogged pretty well&lt;br /&gt;
[14:43]  Simon Kline: it&amp;#039;s now rl on over 300 sims that have agreed to test it&lt;br /&gt;
[14:43]  Saijanai Kuhn: there are now 400+ sims&lt;br /&gt;
[14:44]  Becky Pippen: 435 sims this week, I think.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:44]  Saijanai Kuhn: mono is still beta only&lt;br /&gt;
[14:44]  You: True. I think Region owners have to request Havok4, but it should be on the main grid now.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:44]  Roken Price: I mean - does a standard viewer see the H4 benefit&lt;br /&gt;
[14:44]  You: The physics engine is server-side, so there should be no need for a special viewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:44]  Roken Price: and if so - why is there still a H4 viewre&lt;br /&gt;
[14:44]  Saijanai Kuhn: there is no &amp;quot;benefit&amp;quot; in the viewer. RIght now its stability issues&lt;br /&gt;
[14:45]  Saijanai Kuhn: Roken, think that is for the beta gird&lt;br /&gt;
[14:45]  Saijanai Kuhn: you use that viewer andyou automatically log into the beta grid&lt;br /&gt;
[14:45]  Becky Pippen: there&amp;#039;s one viewer for the ADITI grid, which now is running a mix of Havok 4 and Mono regions.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:45]  Zuis Mertel: Havok for is now on 300 regions on the maisn grid&lt;br /&gt;
[14:45]  Roken Price: That&amp;#039;s my point - it isn;t vclear&lt;br /&gt;
[14:45]  Arawn Spitteler: Content to Hover is a Havoc 4 Sim, where the meetings are held. Vineland and Birmingham City are also, to my knowledge&lt;br /&gt;
[14:46]  Saijanai Kuhn: If youcheck the About Second LIfe menu under the help menu, you get info about the sim and theviewer&lt;br /&gt;
[14:46]  You: Havok4 chat is better reserved for Havok4 office hours, though... I don&amp;#039;t know much about it, other than what you guys know :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:47]  Roken Price: I&amp;#039;m a &amp;quot;simple&amp;quot; user - with all the viewers up and running&lt;br /&gt;
[14:47]  Saijanai Kuhn: you know as much as me. I don&amp;#039;t do physics testing/scripting&lt;br /&gt;
[14:47]  Roken Price: But I lose track of demarcation&lt;br /&gt;
[14:47]  Becky Pippen: There&amp;#039;s good stuff in the blog and wiki, but .... anything in the KB?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:47]  Saijanai Kuhn: Roken, if any viewer if you use the help menu and select &amp;quot;About Second LIfe&amp;quot; you will get info&lt;br /&gt;
[14:48]  You: Beta viewer shortcuts usually have the beta server name (ADITI, for instance) in parentheses in their name.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:48]  You: Oh, about beta viewers, Becky?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:48]  Becky Pippen: just that there&amp;#039;s one for ADITI, which runs a mix of sim versions&lt;br /&gt;
[14:48]  Roken Price: I understand that - but that doesn;t tell me where - eg - the havok veiwer is required when real world testing is underway&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  Becky Pippen: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Havok_4_Beta_Home&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  You: Well, ADITI doesn&amp;#039;t always use a mix of sim versions... it&amp;#039;s a beta environment, which means that the sims there change depending on what we&amp;#039;re testing.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  Roken Price: Becky - you kiss my point&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  Roken Price: miss - I mean&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  Saijanai Kuhn: oken, therei s no H4 viewer&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  Roken Price: Fruedian slip&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  Becky Pippen: :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  Zuis Mertel: Roken is server side , not viwer&lt;br /&gt;
[14:49]  Saijanai Kuhn: its a viewer that takes you to the beta grid&lt;br /&gt;
[14:50]  Roken Price: No - but there is a test viewer that takes you to the test grid&lt;br /&gt;
[14:50]  Saijanai Kuhn: you can travel to a H4 sim using any viewer and get the same &amp;quot;benefits&amp;quot; from Havok 4&lt;br /&gt;
[14:50]  Arawn Spitteler: Technically, the Havoc 4 upgrade is not supposed to be Client Side Visible, so any KB article is either historical, or describing a bug&lt;br /&gt;
[14:50]  Saijanai Kuhn: and there are 300-400 sims here&lt;br /&gt;
[14:50]  Roken Price: And so - the documentation doessn&amp;#039;t make it clear&lt;br /&gt;
[14:51]  Saijanai Kuhn: using H4 so you don&amp;#039;t even need to use the beta grid to test it unless it is a really spiffy (dangerous to the sim) test&lt;br /&gt;
[14:51]  Becky Pippen: hmmm... I&amp;#039;ve found the information in the blog and wiki to be pretty clear... I guess I&amp;#039;m missing something too :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:52]  You: Hm. This may call for an article on the difference between Havok1 and Havok4. We do have an article on the &amp;quot;heterogeneous grid&amp;quot; project, which aims to mix Havok1/Havok4, Mono/LSL2 and other sim types on the same grid.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:52]  Roken Price: OK - Let me put it a different way&lt;br /&gt;
[14:52]  Roken Price: The Blog says - There&amp;#039;s a new havok 4 viewre avaialble&lt;br /&gt;
[14:52]  Roken Price: And right after that&lt;br /&gt;
[14:53]  Zuis Mertel: Roken this is on avok 4 http://slurl.com/secondlife/100Limite/103/101/24&lt;br /&gt;
[14:53]  Roken Price: an offer to sims to upgrade to H4&lt;br /&gt;
[14:53]  You: regarding het-grid: https://secondlife.com/community/support.php?questionID=4560&lt;br /&gt;
[14:53]  Roken Price: My point is - you have to hunt for the info&lt;br /&gt;
[14:54]  Roken Price: When an announcement is blogged&lt;br /&gt;
[14:54]  Roken Price: it should be clear&lt;br /&gt;
[14:54]  Zuis Mertel: is a good point ;-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:54]  You: Roken- the latest Havok4 blog post said there was a new viewer availabled?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:54]  You: er, available?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:55]  Roken Price: And you prove my point&lt;br /&gt;
[14:55]  Becky Pippen: ?&lt;br /&gt;
[14:55]  Roken Price: Havok 4 doesn&amp;#039;t require a new client&lt;br /&gt;
[14:56]  You: It doesn&amp;#039;t appear to-- it looks like just what it said: 435 regions were updated with fixes. Regions are server-side things, and require no new viewer.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:56]  Simon Kline: the hetgrid article is a good on :D&lt;br /&gt;
[14:57]  Simon Kline: clear and to the point without complicating it :D&lt;br /&gt;
[14:57]  You: Hi Rosario. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:57]  You: Heh. Glad you like it, Simon. Clear and to the point is a key concept in online writing :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[14:57]  Simon Kline: and it mentons mono so i thought it would&amp;#039;ve been modified recently but it says it was modified 8/16/07&lt;br /&gt;
[14:58]  You: That looks like it was originally a blog post. It would be interesting to see when the original post was made.&lt;br /&gt;
[14:59]  Simon Kline: no u mention it i do remeber a simmilar blog post&lt;br /&gt;
[15:00]  Simon Kline: are you guys thinking of doing an article concerning mono and what it is?&lt;br /&gt;
[15:00]  Simon Kline: or even a list of words used in sl with basic definitions like the SL dictionary&lt;br /&gt;
[15:01]  You: We should, Simon. Usually we wait until something hits the main grid before committing to an article about it. Otherwise, the feature can be subject to a lot of change before it&amp;#039;s done.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:01]  Simon Kline: yeah so true that&amp;#039;s understandable :D&lt;br /&gt;
[15:01]  You: I think we may have a glossary somewhere, Simon. If we don&amp;#039;t, we should!&lt;br /&gt;
[15:01]  Becky Pippen: I helped make a glossary for NCI&lt;br /&gt;
[15:01]  Becky Pippen: it&amp;#039;s freely available&lt;br /&gt;
[15:01]  Simon Kline: haha glossary! that&amp;#039;s the word is was looking for heh&lt;br /&gt;
[15:01]  You: Here&amp;#039;s one... http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Glossary&lt;br /&gt;
[15:02]  You: Not too complete, but a good start.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:02]  Simon Kline: hehe indeed :D&lt;br /&gt;
[15:02]  You: Anyway, does anyoen have any final comments or questions before we wind down for this week?&lt;br /&gt;
[15:03]  Simon Kline: no thanks Jeremy, thankyou for your time! it was great seeing you ^^&lt;br /&gt;
[15:03]  WidgetHUD v1.1: Simon Kline has pinged you.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:03]  Becky Pippen: Thanks Jeremy!&lt;br /&gt;
[15:03]  WidgetHUD v1.1: Becky Pippen has pinged you.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:03]  You: It was great to have you all here! I think this may be the largest crowd I&amp;#039;ve had here so far :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[15:03]  Krise Shepherd: yeah thanks&lt;br /&gt;
[15:03]  Arawn Spitteler: I was actually looking for the Official Scripting Guide, Secrets of Scripting, but couldn&amp;#039;t find a way there, from F1&lt;br /&gt;
[15:03]  You: And we touched on some good topics, too!&lt;br /&gt;
[15:04]  You: Hm. Arawn, I think you can get there from Help &amp;gt; Scripting Guide&lt;br /&gt;
[15:04]  Simon Kline: if you click help in the viewer, you can see scripting guide and the scripting portal too ^^&lt;br /&gt;
[15:04]  Arawn Spitteler: Wrong turn, on my part, but it should also have been somewhere through F1&lt;br /&gt;
[15:06]  You: Hm. True. We&amp;#039;re working on improving F1 help as well. It&amp;#039;s our aim to get it to bring up the Support portal in an inworld browser window.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:08]  Simon Kline: nice the inworld browser works really well now...very basic but does the job.. if u go to something like help.. in world help you can type in any web address and it comes up there :D&lt;br /&gt;
[15:08]  You: Indeed!&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  You: Anyway, I think we need to wrap up for this week. Thanks for coming everyone! Please come again :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  Simon Kline: thankyou Jeremy&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  WidgetHUD v1.1: Simon Kline has pinged you.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  Simon Kline: have a good weekend :D&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  Becky Pippen: Bye&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  Arawn Spitteler: Help Island has something refering to F1, so people might go there, rather than the Help Menu, until they learn better, and there shouldn&amp;#039;t, in principle, be better to learn&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  You: You too.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  Zuis Mertel: thankyou Jeremy ;-)&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  WidgetHUD v1.1: Zuis Mertel has pinged you.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  Saijanai Kuhn: nice meeting you Jeremy6&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  WidgetHUD v1.1: Saijanai Kuhn has pinged you.&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  Simon Kline: if any of you are looking for something to do after this Jeska linen&amp;#039;s office hour is on at Ambleside hehe :D&lt;br /&gt;
[15:09]  You: Likewise!&lt;br /&gt;
[15:10]  You: Heh. Jeska&amp;#039;s great :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[15:10]  Krise Shepherd: have a nice weekend everybody :-)&lt;br /&gt;
[15:10]  Arawn Spitteler: Remember to tell Jon of the Hundred ravening beasts, that only wanted to tear off his claw&lt;br /&gt;
[15:10]  You: Bye! Have a good weekend!&lt;br /&gt;
[15:10]  Krise Shepherd: btw i have a presentation on sl on monday&lt;br /&gt;
[15:10]  Krise Shepherd: to a big customer in germany&lt;br /&gt;
[15:10]  You: Cool!&lt;br /&gt;
[15:10]  Arawn Spitteler: My map is trying to send me two hundred meters above ambleside?&lt;br /&gt;
[15:11]  Arawn Spitteler: I think it&amp;#039;s a new featuree&lt;br /&gt;
[15:11]  Krise Shepherd: they want to invest into branding and sl is an option for them&lt;br /&gt;
[15:11]  Simon Kline: hehe ambleside 13/92 in the bottom corner .. tc all gret seeing you :D&lt;br /&gt;
[15:13]  You: Okey doke.... later everyone, for real this time :-)&lt;br /&gt;
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