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Torley Linden https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Doc_Team/2008-08-22&diff=87746&oldid=prev 2008-08-22T22:02:50Z

<p>New page: &lt;pre&gt; [13:58] Ricken Flow: hey Becky [13:58] You: Hey Becky, Ricken, Georgette. [13:58] Becky Pippen: Hi Jeremy [13:58] WidgetHUD v1.1: Becky Pippen has pinged you. [13:58] Ricken Flo...</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [13:58] Ricken Flow: hey Becky<br /> [13:58] You: Hey Becky, Ricken, Georgette.<br /> [13:58] Becky Pippen: Hi Jeremy<br /> [13:58] WidgetHUD v1.1: Becky Pippen has pinged you.<br /> [13:58] Ricken Flow: Hey Jeremy<br /> [13:58] WidgetHUD v1.1: Ricken Flow has pinged you.<br /> [13:58] Georgette Whitfield: Hi Jeremy<br /> [13:58] WidgetHUD v1.1: Georgette Whitfield has pinged you.<br /> [13:59] Georgette Whitfield: Poor chap probably has a ton of IMs lol<br /> [13:59] You: Welcome to Documentation Office Hours. Kate and Jon should be here shortly.<br /> [13:59] Georgette Whitfield: WooT WooT<br /> [13:59] You: Actually, I don&#039;t! I must be one of the lucky unpopular Lindens :-)<br /> [13:59] Georgette Whitfield: Hehhee<br /> [13:59] Georgette Whitfield: Well if it makes you feel more popular, I&#039;d love a copy of your bear<br /> [14:00] You: Sure thing.<br /> [14:00] Georgette Whitfield: Yay!<br /> [14:00] Georgette Whitfield accepted your inventory offer.<br /> [14:00] Georgette Whitfield: WooT WooT<br /> [14:00] Ricken Flow: make sure you get knowledge bear too<br /> [14:00] Georgette Whitfield: Oh I got him a while ago<br /> [14:00] Georgette Whitfield: I&#039;ve started a wee collection<br /> [14:00] You: Speak of the devils...<br /> [14:00] Georgette Whitfield: LOL<br /> [14:00] Jon Linden: the devils!<br /> [14:00] Georgette Whitfield: Hi Jon and Kate<br /> [14:01] Ricken Flow: I have about 20 linden bears<br /> [14:01] Georgette Whitfield: Jello LInden lol<br /> [14:01] Georgette Whitfield: Oh now that&#039;s a cool av<br /> [14:01] Becky Pippen: Hi Jon Hi Kate<br /> [14:01] Georgette Whitfield: What is it btw?<br /> [14:01] Kate Linden: Hi Becky<br /> [14:01] Georgette Whitfield: lol<br /> [14:01] Jon Linden: it&#039;s a giant jello mold of some sort<br /> [14:01] Ricken Flow: Howdy Kate, Jello Jon<br /> [14:01] Jon Linden: with fruit inside<br /> [14:02] Kate Linden: Hi Ricken<br /> [14:02] Georgette Whitfield: :-D<br /> [14:02] Jon Linden: how&#039;s it going, everybody!<br /> [14:02] You: And a Knowledge Bear. Because Jon absorbs knowledge.<br /> [14:02] Georgette Whitfield: lol<br /> [14:02] Georgette Whitfield: Great<br /> [14:02] Georgette Whitfield: Nice to meet you Kate<br /> [14:02] Jon Linden: there&#039;s also a Green Lantern ring embedded in there somewhere, from my previous avatar<br /> [14:02] Kate Linden: Hello Gerogette, nice to mee you too.<br /> [14:02] Georgette Whitfield: I got your bears a while ago at the I-World hunt<br /> [14:02] Kate Linden: *Georgette<br /> [14:03] You: Hi Arawn. Welcome back.<br /> [14:03] Kate Linden: Oh nice. How did you enjoy the hunt?<br /> [14:03] Georgette Whitfield: Hi Arawn<br /> [14:03] Georgette Whitfield: I did<br /> [14:03] Georgette Whitfield: Love hunts<br /> [14:03] Georgette Whitfield: But I nearly died when I saw the Phil bear<br /> [14:03] Kate Linden: Awesome<br /> [14:03] Georgette Whitfield: Then I realised it was no copy hahaha<br /> [14:03] Kate Linden: awww yes, that bear is part of the museum exhibit.<br /> [14:03] Georgette Whitfield: And just there to torment us<br /> [14:03] Georgette Whitfield: muahahaha!<br /> [14:03] Kate Linden: lol<br /> [14:03] Ricken Flow: NPC is having a weekend long scavenger hunt<br /> [14:04] Georgette Whitfield: Oooh<br /> [14:04] Ricken Flow: starts today<br /> [14:04] Georgette Whitfield: Yippee<br /> [14:04] Georgette Whitfield: What can you hunt?<br /> [14:04] Arawn Spitteler: Hunt for Scavengers?<br /> [14:04] Georgette Whitfield: lol<br /> [14:04] Ricken Flow: you follow clues to get information for different non-profits here in SL<br /> [14:05] Ricken Flow: let me find the info note<br /> [14:05] Ricken Flow: the grand prize is 25,000 lindens i believe<br /> [14:05] Georgette Whitfield: Thanks Ricken<br /> [14:05] Gellan Glenelg: hi<br /> [14:05] You: Hi Gellan. Welcome back!<br /> [14:05] Georgette Whitfield: Wow didn&#039;t know they had that many staff<br /> [14:05] Georgette Whitfield: Hi Gellan<br /> [14:06] Georgette Whitfield: Cheers Ricken<br /> [14:06] Jon Linden: so what&#039;s on everyone&#039;s mind today, documentation-wise?<br /> [14:06] Jon Linden: &quot;not much&quot; is a perfectly valid answer, btw<br /> [14:06] Jon Linden: ^__^<br /> [14:06] Ricken Flow: not much<br /> [14:06] Georgette Whitfield: lol<br /> [14:07] Georgette Whitfield: Not much<br /> [14:07] Becky Pippen: Mono!<br /> [14:07] Georgette Whitfield: Although do you know of any project to translate the KB etc into French?<br /> [14:07] Ricken Flow: I need to do search on advanced SLurl techniques just finished the basics of SLURL notecards<br /> [14:07] Georgette Whitfield: I know there&#039;s a German SL site now<br /> [14:07] Jon Linden: georgette, plans are afoot for localization into many languages<br /> [14:07] Georgette Whitfield: Yay<br /> [14:07] Jon Linden: it&#039;s hard to say when exactly they&#039;ll launch, but the rocket is being built<br /> [14:07] Georgette Whitfield: C&#039;est bien ça<br /> [14:08] Georgette Whitfield: Cool<br /> [14:08] Jon Linden: i published two articles about mono just a couple hours ago<br /> [14:08] Becky Pippen: oh cool!<br /> [14:08] Georgette Whitfield: I read<br /> [14:08] Georgette Whitfield: Very exciting<br /> [14:09] Gellan Glenelg: I&#039;m seeing so much misinformation:(<br /> [14:09] You: http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&amp;task=knowledge&amp;questionID=5482<br /> [14:09] You: http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&amp;task=knowledge&amp;questionID=5481<br /> [14:09] Ricken Flow: I am excited about learning about opensim Microsoft.net is giving some classes<br /> [14:09] Gellan Glenelg: &quot;mono uses less memory&quot; &quot;you need to learn a new scripting language&quot; &quot;mono canot cause lag&quot; etc etc<br /> [14:09] Jon Linden: some of those assertions are true to an extent<br /> [14:09] Georgette Whitfield: The usual rumours<br /> [14:10] Jon Linden: the articles provide some explanation<br /> [14:10] Becky Pippen: that&#039;s an excellent article<br /> [14:12] Georgette Whitfield: A bit over my head lol<br /> [14:12] Jon Linden: heh<br /> [14:12] Jon Linden: hopefully the Mono article for non-scripters is less technical<br /> [14:12] Jon Linden: at least, that was the idea!<br /> [14:12] You: Yeah, I posted links to both... that wasn&#039;t a typo on my part :-)<br /> [14:13] You: Hi XLR8RRICK. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.<br /> [14:13] Georgette Whitfield: Yes the first one you cited is ok on my brain<br /> [14:13] Georgette Whitfield: The second is scary<br /> [14:13] Georgette Whitfield: Hi XLR<br /> [14:13] XLR8RRICK Hudson: thank you Hello everyone<br /> [14:14] Kate Linden: Hello XLR8RRICK<br /> [14:14] Jon Linden: i&#039;m glad we got our audiences right for those articles, or at least it sounds like we did ^__^<br /> [14:14] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Hiya Kate<br /> [14:14] Georgette Whitfield: Hi Coyle<br /> [14:14] You: Hi Coyle. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours.<br /> [14:14] Coyle Brenmann: hey hey, ty<br /> [14:14] Georgette Whitfield: :-D yes Jon<br /> [14:14] Jon Linden: greetings, newcomers!<br /> [14:14] You: Hi Igel. Welcome to Documentation Office Hours!<br /> [14:15] Igel Hawks: Heya @all<br /> [14:15] Jeremy Linden should make a sign.<br /> [14:15] Georgette Whitfield: Hi Igel<br /> [14:15] Georgette Whitfield: That squeaky bear is so cute<br /> [14:15] Igel Hawks: I like it :D<br /> [14:15] Jon Linden: heh; you know, that&#039;s a good idea. a sign!<br /> [14:16] Coyle Brenmann: rez rez, don&#039;t wanna sit down yet, might sit on someone :P<br /> [14:16] Igel Hawks: Yeps. I big sign which rezzes first<br /> [14:16] Arawn Spitteler: Sit on the couches, and let them get out of your way<br /> [14:16] XLR8RRICK Hudson: oh man<br /> [14:16] You: Maybe I&#039;ll make a big DOCUMENTATION OFFICE HOURS sign, with a little neon &quot;In Session&quot; part that we can turn on and off :-P<br /> [14:17] Georgette Whitfield: Do one in ArtRage lol<br /> [14:17] Georgette Whitfield: With a jello on it<br /> [14:17] Igel Hawks: and turn on and off the glow effect<br /> [14:17] Arawn Spitteler: Floating Text<br /> [14:17] Ricken Flow: got to have a crab too<br /> [14:17] Arawn Spitteler: Over a Megaprim Jello<br /> [14:17] Georgette Whitfield: Ahahaha<br /> [14:17] Arawn Spitteler: Aspic<br /> [14:18] Georgette Whitfield: Hmmm<br /> [14:18] Georgette Whitfield: Gee that was quick<br /> [14:18] You: Nah, it&#039;s not serious. I used to use that for WindLight office hours.<br /> [14:18] Igel Hawks: hehe. Watched Torley&#039;s tutorial during work a lot?<br /> [14:18] XLR8RRICK Hudson: lol<br /> [14:19] You: You pick up a few tricks after 3+ years in SL :-)<br /> [14:19] Igel Hawks: ;-)<br /> [14:19] Coyle Brenmann: just a few? :P<br /> [14:19] XLR8RRICK Hudson: how big is your INV<br /> [14:20] Igel Hawks: How tomake squeeky bears?<br /> [14:20] Arawn Spitteler: Reality, by any other name, is unreal<br /> [14:20] You: Heh. That&#039;s one, Igel.<br /> [14:20] You: My Resident self had an inventory over 16,000 at one point. I think I cleaned it awhile ago, though.<br /> [14:20] Jon Linden: i get the feeling it would be unwise to challenge Jeremy to a match of Primtionary<br /> [14:20] WidgetHUD v1.1: Jon Linden has pinged you.<br /> [14:20] Igel Hawks: hehe.<br /> [14:21] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Thats me right now my wife is at 28000<br /> [14:21] Georgette Whitfield: AHH!!!!<br /> [14:21] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I have heard of 50000<br /> [14:21] Igel Hawks: Mine is at 17000<br /> [14:21] XLR8RRICK Hudson: what is the limit<br /> [14:21] Jon Linden: good question<br /> [14:21] Georgette Whitfield: 7000<br /> [14:21] Arawn Spitteler: Disk Space is Cheap, but so are the desert sands, until you have to build a railroad.<br /> [14:21] Igel Hawks: &quot;Thanks&quot; to the mental mentor&#039;s boxes<br /> [14:21] XLR8RRICK Hudson: lets clear cache<br /> [14:22] Georgette Whitfield: But I&#039;m a RL librarian so love sorting inventory hehe<br /> [14:22] Igel Hawks: Hehe.<br /> [14:22] You: I don&#039;t think we currently enforce a hard limit, but we encourage you to keep your numbers down, in order to take it easy on our inventory servers :-)<br /> [14:22] XLR8RRICK Hudson: ah yes<br /> [14:22] Becky Pippen: but each pair of shoes takes three inventory items... and that adds up!<br /> [14:22] XLR8RRICK Hudson: the handshake too<br /> [14:22] Georgette Whitfield: lol yes Becky<br /> [14:22] Igel Hawks: I remember how scared I was when I reached the 5000 . I have heared that the inventory will clean itself then<br /> [14:23] Georgette Whitfield: And man SL shoes are collectable :))<br /> [14:23] Georgette Whitfield: awww Igel lol<br /> [14:23] Multi Gadget v1.54.2 by Timeless Prototype<br /> [14:23] Igel Hawks: And I believed that in these days :D<br /> [14:23] You: A few KB tips on inventory management:<br /> [14:23] XLR8RRICK Hudson: lolIgel<br /> [14:23] Igel Hawks: That would be cool.<br /> [14:23] You: http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&amp;task=knowledge&amp;questionID=3974<br /> [14:23] Georgette Whitfield: WB Gellan<br /> [14:23] Gellan Glenelg: ty<br /> [14:23] You: http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&amp;task=knowledge&amp;questionID=4595<br /> [14:23] You: http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&amp;task=knowledge&amp;questionID=4674<br /> [14:24] Coyle Brenmann: Jeremy, do the economic statistics fall under relevant KB questions here?<br /> [14:24] WidgetHUD v1.1: Coyle Brenmann has pinged you.<br /> [14:25] Jon Linden: what sort of economic statistics?<br /> [14:25] You: I don&#039;t know much about the stats themselves, but you should at least be able to find a link to them in the KB... if not, that would be a relevant question :-)<br /> [14:25] You: If by &quot;economic stats&quot; you mean: the ones we publish.<br /> [14:25] You: Oh, jeez... I interrupted Torley&#039;s video tutorial in that link.<br /> [14:25] Coyle Brenmann: yes, the ones you publish<br /> [14:26] Coyle Brenmann: I&#039;d like to make a suggestion first, then ask a follow up Q to it<br /> [14:26] Jon Linden: fire away<br /> [14:26] Igel Hawks whispers: HostHelper initialised!<br /> [14:26] You: Our existing article: http://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&amp;task=knowledge&amp;questionID=4775<br /> [14:26] Coyle Brenmann: In RL, we have &quot;SIC&quot; codes, codes that identify industries by classification...<br /> [14:27] Georgette Whitfield: Yes<br /> [14:27] Coyle Brenmann: in SL, there is no way to track transactions by business classification....<br /> [14:27] Georgette Whitfield: Hi ryann<br /> [14:27] Georgette Whitfield: Would be useful<br /> [14:27] Arawn Spitteler: Who&#039;d hafe to maintain the classification?<br /> [14:27] Coyle Brenmann: I&#039;m very interested in these numbers, but the downloadable data is very, well, &quot;rolled up&quot;<br /> [14:27] Georgette Whitfield: But that is more the job for a market research company no?<br /> [14:28] Arawn Spitteler: If I sell a Waterslide, is that indesutry or entertainment<br /> [14:28] Jon Linden: http://www.sec.gov/info/edgar/siccodes.htm<br /> [14:28] Jon Linden: interesting<br /> [14:28] Jon Linden: arawn asks the pertinent question here<br /> [14:28] Coyle Brenmann: SL has positions open for marketing and program managers, but I think without this data, it&#039;s much more &quot;hit and miss&quot;<br /> [14:28] Georgette Whitfield: Yes very subjective<br /> [14:28] Jon Linden: someone would have to create the registry, maintain it, and enforce it<br /> [14:29] Arawn Spitteler: It&#039;s a question asked at your tax office, if youre self employed, but we&#039;re international, and not everybody wants to talk to tax collectors<br /> [14:29] You: Coyle, are you referring to real-life companies that use Second Life, or businesses that run entirely inside Second Life?<br /> [14:29] Coyle Brenmann: I think the value in this data would not only be useful to SL, but to the businesses looking for statistical reference to transactions in-world. Jeremy, to both actually<br /> [14:29] WidgetHUD v1.1: Coyle Brenmann has pinged you.<br /> [14:29] Ricken Flow: it also depends if you are asking about the SIC code for Linden Lab&#039;s or for in-world businesses<br /> [14:30] Coyle Brenmann: in-world business<br /> [14:30] Coyle Brenmann: I have my assumptions as to where the breakdowns are, but I&#039;d like to get my hands around real data<br /> [14:30] Georgette Whitfield: Also I think UK SIC codes differ from US ones<br /> [14:30] Coyle Brenmann: breakdowns, as in the categories of transactions<br /> [14:30] Igel Hawks: Georhette: I think, you are right.<br /> [14:31] Georgette Whitfield: Plus you would have to watch people didn&#039;t register under many sic codes<br /> [14:31] Georgette Whitfield: To game the system<br /> [14:31] Jon Linden: the problem comes back around to the creation, maintenance, and enforcement of the registry<br /> [14:31] Jon Linden: who would take on such a task? us? (LL?)<br /> [14:31] Igel Hawks: UK system is a bit different. But I am not very used in these Codes.<br /> [14:31] Ricken Flow: the way in-world businesses come and go there would not be accurate data just moderate estimations as far as data goes<br /> [14:31] You: Coyle, could you provide some examples of categories for different types of transactions? I&#039;m still trying to understand the kind of information you&#039;re looking for.<br /> [14:31] Igel Hawks: Of course Jon *giggles+<br /> [14:31] Arawn Spitteler: I was helping script a door, the other day. Would that be product or service?<br /> [14:32] Igel Hawks: It will be a job for all of your life<br /> [14:32] Georgette Whitfield: Service I think<br /> [14:32] Georgette Whitfield: But that&#039;s why you need one entity in charge of the registry<br /> [14:32] Georgette Whitfield: It&#039;s like the Dewey system<br /> [14:32] Georgette Whitfield: It only works because OCLC are in charge of it<br /> [14:32] Arawn Spitteler: A qualified answer has a problem at tax time, whichis what Industry Codes are for.<br /> [14:32] Georgette Whitfield: If it went open source everyone would use their own version and it&#039;d be a mess<br /> [14:33] Jon Linden: my personal take is that it&#039;s a nice idea, but i can&#039;t see any way for it not to be an implementation nightmare<br /> [14:33] Georgette Whitfield: lol<br /> [14:33] Igel Hawks: Yeps. That&#039;s the point I think<br /> [14:33] Kate Linden: Please excuse me for a few minutes. I need to go afk.<br /> [14:34] Igel Hawks: Hb Kate :D<br /> [14:34] Georgette Whitfield: I guess one stat the lab could release<br /> [14:34] Coyle Brenmann: Jeremy, let&#039;s say in RL, I own a residential (home) building company, and I&#039;m interested in knowing 1. How many other companies/competition in SL are there in my category, and the number of transactions in Lindens/month that occur through my business category<br /> [14:34] WidgetHUD v1.1: Coyle Brenmann has pinged you.<br /> [14:34] Georgette Whitfield: Would be the number of classifieds in each category<br /> [14:34] Arawn Spitteler: Ultimately, we&#039;d be selling descriptions of things, be they sex acts, architecture or machinery, so what&#039;s the SIC for Art?<br /> [14:34] Georgette Whitfield: That could give some indication<br /> [14:34] You: I see...<br /> [14:35] Coyle Brenmann: I see the comments and concerns and admittedly, it would have to be more generic than in RL<br /> [14:35] You: That sounds like it would require businesses to register the type of business they&#039;re in... something we do not currently require.<br /> [14:35] Igel Hawks: Heya Talor<br /> [14:35] Talor Magic: hi<br /> [14:35] You: Although, if you wanted to create a voluntary registry of your own, there may be business to be had just in that :-)<br /> [14:35] Coyle Brenmann: Jeremy: point taken<br /> [14:35] WidgetHUD v1.1: Coyle Brenmann has pinged you.<br /> [14:35] Arawn Spitteler: It would involved figuring out what kind of business you&#039;re in, before you start<br /> [14:35] Georgette Whitfield: Hi Talor<br /> [14:36] Ricken Flow: you sure could sell the info to market companies<br /> [14:36] Georgette Whitfield: Coyle there are some market research reports available<br /> [14:36] Georgette Whitfield: But they are expensive and quickly outdated<br /> [14:36] Coyle Brenmann: The way I see it, is since LL controls the in-world transactions, each txn would include a SIC code of sorts<br /> [14:36] Jon Linden: welcome to Documentation Office Hours, Talor!<br /> [14:36] Talor Magic: thx,,may i sit down<br /> [14:37] Jon Linden: looks like there&#039;s room on the wavy red couch<br /> [14:37] Coyle Brenmann: ok, so maybe a pipe dream<br /> [14:37] Georgette Whitfield: Or a project for if you get bored :)<br /> [14:37] Coyle Brenmann: hah<br /> [14:37] Igel Hawks: The short term nature of a lot of the inworld businesses is a real nightmare for someone who wants to take the responibility for registering codes.<br /> [14:38] Ricken Flow: how much contol does LL really have over transactions beyond recording them<br /> [14:38] Georgette Whitfield: Yes Igel<br /> [14:38] Jon Linden: i think in coyle&#039;s theoretical universe, the work would need to be done on LL&#039;s side to include SIC-like metadata in all inworld transactions<br /> [14:38] Igel Hawks: Awww. my typos are getting worse<br /> [14:38] Georgette Whitfield: Plus how many stores are there that sell everything lol<br /> [14:38] You: There is a technical hurdle in detecting or determining SIC codes at all... I see the value, but I do not possess the expertise to comment intelligently on whether we are or will ever implement such a system.<br /> [14:38] Jon Linden: what jeremy said<br /> [14:38] WidgetHUD v1.1: Jon Linden has pinged you.<br /> [14:38] You: What we know best is Documentation-- how to find the information you&#039;re looking for, rather than the information itself :-)<br /> [14:38] Coyle Brenmann: Jon, that&#039;s right. And while I could put together a proposal/project describing such an enhancement, I&#039;m not so sure it would be well received<br /> [14:39] You: Have you put together a project in PJIRA?<br /> [14:39] Coyle Brenmann: No, I haven&#039;t<br /> [14:39] Ricken Flow: yes some folks would not like people to know SL buying habits<br /> [14:39] Coyle Brenmann: and based on what Jeremy just said, I think I may be taking the discussion here in the wrong direction :)<br /> [14:39] WidgetHUD v1.1: Coyle Brenmann has pinged you.<br /> [14:39] Georgette Whitfield: Maybe when the whole web becomes 3D and like SL then the tax authorities will register all SL businesses anyway so it could happen eventually<br /> [14:40] XLR8RRICK Hudson: shh<br /> [14:40] Georgette Whitfield: Oh did I say the T word?<br /> [14:40] Georgette Whitfield: Sorry lol<br /> [14:40] Igel Hawks: Dont wake up the sleeping dogs!<br /> [14:40] Arawn Spitteler doesn&#039;t think Minimum Wage Law would impact SL very nicely<br /> [14:40] Georgette Whitfield: lol<br /> [14:40] XLR8RRICK Hudson: we all declare income<br /> [14:40] You: tacks authorities... hardware professionals, of course.<br /> [14:40] Georgette Whitfield: :))<br /> [14:41] Arawn Spitteler: If we make U$20/mo in tips, we&#039;re suppposed to report them.<br /> [14:41] XLR8RRICK Hudson: yes add them to your RL income<br /> [14:41] Arawn Spitteler: I think there are about 300 people, who make meager livings, in world, and might even pay income taxes, which involves reporting.<br /> [14:42] Jeremy Linden cannot comment on anything resembling legal issues.<br /> [14:42] XLR8RRICK Hudson: and deduct the cost of doing business too<br /> [14:42] Coyle Brenmann: Yes, I was just looking at that data earlier<br /> [14:42] Jon Linden: me neither<br /> [14:42] Coyle Brenmann: approx 600 people make more than $2k USD/mo<br /> [14:43] Coyle Brenmann: and I&#039;d really like to know what businesses they are in :)<br /> [14:43] Coyle Brenmann: hence, the SIC code comments<br /> [14:43] Georgette Whitfield: Clothes or skins or land<br /> [14:43] Georgette Whitfield: Or builds<br /> [14:43] Jon Linden: i wonder if the proprietors of those businesses might rather you not know?<br /> [14:43] Coyle Brenmann: But that&#039;s just best guesses<br /> [14:44] Georgette Whitfield: Mmm not so much a guess<br /> [14:44] Coyle Brenmann: Jon, that&#039;s my unspoken point :)<br /> [14:44] Georgette Whitfield: There&#039;s a good book out<br /> [14:44] Georgette Whitfield: Entrepreneurs Guide to SL<br /> [14:44] XLR8RRICK Hudson: look at what the top ads are worth<br /> [14:44] Coyle Brenmann: Jon, my guess as to what they do, may be taboo in public discussions<br /> [14:44] XLR8RRICK Hudson: 1000us /wk<br /> [14:44] Arawn Spitteler: Counselling and other consulting arts, more likely<br /> [14:44] Georgette Whitfield: It talks a bit about what each category of business can make<br /> [14:44] Coyle Brenmann: Georgette, but without relevant data, it&#039;s just the author&#039;s best guess no?<br /> [14:45] Georgette Whitfield: No they did a lot of research<br /> [14:45] Georgette Whitfield: It&#039;s written by people who run business in SL<br /> [14:45] XLR8RRICK Hudson: you have to know all the different ways to market yourself<br /> [14:45] Coyle Brenmann: ty for that resource, I will look into it<br /> [14:46] Coyle Brenmann: As was mentioned however, the quick turn over of SL businesses may make even a book outdated before it hits the shelf no?<br /> [14:46] Jon Linden: Residents helping Residents!<br /> [14:46] Georgette Whitfield: It&#039;s an interesting read anyhoo<br /> [14:46] Georgette Whitfield: Yes but still worth a look I think<br /> [14:46] XLR8RRICK Hudson: love that Jon<br /> [14:46] Georgette Whitfield: You can probably get a second-hand copy on Amazon now<br /> [14:47] Georgette Whitfield: Or ebay<br /> [14:47] Coyle Brenmann: probably ;)<br /> [14:47] Georgette Whitfield: Just don&#039;t buy L$ while you&#039;re there<br /> [14:47] Georgette Whitfield eeps.<br /> [14:47] Jon Linden: looks like you can get a used copy for US$5<br /> [14:47] Jon Linden: http://www.amazon.com/Entrepreneurs-Guide-Second-Life-Metaverse/dp/0470179147<br /> [14:47] Igel Hawks: Oh, GTeam Officehour is another day :D<br /> [14:47] Georgette Whitfield: Cool Jon<br /> [14:47] Arawn Spitteler: Is there a problem, of Ebay Linden$<br /> [14:48] Ricken Flow: I have been thinking of starting a SL business selling amway/quixtar just because I am unemployed<br /> [14:48] Georgette Whitfield: What is that Ricken?<br /> [14:48] Igel Hawks: Arawn: Yes.<br /> [14:48] XLR8RRICK Hudson: everyone in business here should be advancing and growing<br /> [14:48] Igel Hawks: You never know, how the L$ on Ebay are earned.<br /> [14:48] Georgette Whitfield: LOL<br /> [14:48] Coyle Brenmann: XLR: should be, but such isn&#039;t the case based on the economic figures<br /> [14:48] Georgette Whitfield: Ewwww<br /> [14:48] Arawn Spitteler: I&#039;ve run into a Catch 22, and can&#039;t sell Linden$ to Lindex<br /> [14:48] Ricken Flow: something like avon<br /> [14:49] XLR8RRICK Hudson: is there any Marketing stratigies in the KB<br /> [14:49] Georgette Whitfield: Ah ok<br /> [14:49] Jon Linden: it looks like there was a blog for a while too http://entrepreneursguidetosecondlife.blogspot.com/<br /> [14:49] Jon Linden: XLR8RRICK: no<br /> [14:49] Igel Hawks: Does SLEX work for you?<br /> [14:49] You: Marketing is entirely too subjective a topic for the KB, at least the way we currently present it.<br /> [14:49] Jon Linden: the problem with trying to put information like that in the KB is that there&#039;s no one way to do it<br /> [14:49] Jon Linden: it&#039;s the kind of thing the wiki seems better suited for<br /> [14:50] You: There&#039;s not &quot;marketing&quot; button anywhere in the UI :-)<br /> [14:50] Coyle Brenmann: My marketing prof used to say, &quot;Half of my marketing budget is wasted, I just don&#039;t know which half&quot;<br /> [14:50] Igel Hawks: Yeps Jon, My point.<br /> [14:50] Ricken Flow: wiki wiki wiki wiki<br /> [14:50] Georgette Whitfield: OK this is OT but I really want to ask before the end of the hour:<br /> [14:50] XLR8RRICK Hudson: ah the wicked wiki<br /> [14:50] Georgette Whitfield: BTW do you guys know, is Elle Linden in Canada or something? I would like to talk to her but her hours are at a strange time for a Francophone<br /> [14:50] Arawn Spitteler: I&#039;ve no on-line money, so no billing date. No Payment Info on File means we don&#039;t get to take our earnings home.<br /> [14:50] XLR8RRICK Hudson: wiki is tricky<br /> [14:50] Jon Linden: georgette, i actually have no idea<br /> [14:50] Jon Linden: sorry!<br /> [14:50] Igel Hawks: the Wiki gets better and better in general<br /> [14:50] Georgette Whitfield: No pb<br /> [14:51] You: Georgette, we can&#039;t really tell you because of our privacy policy... that would fall under &quot;disclosure&quot;. You might try leaving her a message, though?<br /> [14:51] Ricken Flow: I can ask i go to her office hours<br /> [14:51] Georgette Whitfield: Do you know of other French-speaking Lindens<br /> [14:51] Ricken Flow: she is so much fun<br /> [14:51] Georgette Whitfield: I looked on the wiki but she was the only one I could find<br /> [14:51] Igel Hawks: XLR8RRICK: Just ask one of the Mentor Scribes to help you.<br /> [14:51] Georgette Whitfield: Yes I will Jeremy<br /> [14:51] WidgetHUD v1.1: Georgette Whitfield has pinged you.<br /> [14:51] Georgette Whitfield: Sorry didn&#039;t mean to pry lol<br /> [14:51] Georgette Whitfield: Ok thanks guys<br /> [14:52] Jon Linden: there might be other francophone Lindens, I just don&#039;t know who they are<br /> [14:52] Georgette Whitfield: OK thanks<br /> [14:52] Jon Linden: Lindens are weird that way -- they have a lot of hidden skills you&#039;d never think of<br /> [14:53] Georgette Whitfield: :-D<br /> [14:53] Igel Hawks: As far as I know, Elle is the only &quot;official&quot; French speaking at LL. But you can ask her by a notecard maybe if the time is to weird for you<br /> [14:53] Georgette Whitfield: I will thanks Igel<br /> [14:53] Georgette Whitfield: Ah you are German Mentor Linguist?<br /> [14:53] Igel Hawks: I have done it with Lotte for the German speaking Lindens in the same way :D<br /> [14:53] Igel Hawks: Yes, I am<br /> [14:53] Georgette Whitfield: The German site is brilliant<br /> [14:54] Georgette Whitfield: I would like to see this for the French<br /> [14:54] Igel Hawks: Jean and Lotte have done a great work.<br /> [14:54] Georgette Whitfield: I have been trying to mentor for months but apps are still closed<br /> [14:54] Georgette Whitfield: Yes they have<br /> [14:54] Igel Hawks: I know.<br /> [14:54] Georgette Whitfield: Sorry straying OT again<br /> [14:54] XLR8RRICK Hudson: http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=c2g7djaua9j4he8c6d0iu7n7k8%40group.calendar.google.com<br /> [14:55] Ricken Flow: there are several mentor groups<br /> [14:55] Georgette Whitfield: Ty SLR<br /> [14:55] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I copy the SLURL into open chat and Paste<br /> [14:55] XLR8RRICK Hudson: then go from there<br /> [14:56] Georgette Whitfield: *XLR<br /> [14:56] XLR8RRICK Hudson: we all understand typonese<br /> [14:56] Georgette Whitfield: :))<br /> [14:56] Georgette Whitfield: Da Lindens went all quiet!<br /> [14:56] XLR8RRICK Hudson: its true we all do<br /> [14:57] Arawn Spitteler: I think it&#039;s the algorythm of communications, wehre we only see what&#039;s been echoed, so it&#039;s laggy to use backspace<br /> [14:57] You: We were communicating amongst ourselves by using our collective consciousness.<br /> [14:57] Georgette Whitfield: Oooh another Linden power<br /> [14:57] You: Err... new feature. Shhh.<br /> [14:57] Georgette Whitfield: Heheh<br /> [14:57] Arawn Spitteler: IMS?<br /> [14:57] Jon Linden: heheheh<br /> [14:57] Kate Linden: lol<br /> [14:57] Igel Hawks: Shhh. TV?<br /> [14:58] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Olny srmat poelpe can raed tihs. <br /> I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg.<br /> [14:58] Igel Hawks: The feature for SL Viewer 1.30 maybe<br /> [14:58] Georgette Whitfield: Wow XLR that works!<br /> [14:58] Igel Hawks: (TV = Telepathic Voice)<br /> [14:58] You: That&#039;s a fun pyschology trick, XL.<br /> [14:58] XLR8RRICK Hudson: it deosn&#039;t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist <br /> <br /> and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm.<br /> [14:58] Georgette Whitfield: Wow lol<br /> [14:58] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!<br /> [14:59] Georgette Whitfield: I think I got an email like that round my office once<br /> [14:59] Jon Linden: i am going to stick to correct spelling in the KB for the future, though ^__^<br /> [14:59] XLR8RRICK Hudson: sorry but having fun is a rule<br /> [14:59] Coyle Brenmann: hah<br /> [14:59] Georgette Whitfield: :-D<br /> [14:59] Georgette Whitfield: I wonder if that works for non-native speakers?<br /> [14:59] You: That&#039;s one of my old favorites.<br /> [14:59] Georgette Whitfield: Anyone?<br /> [14:59] Coyle Brenmann: Well, now I can tell my kids that spelling isn&#039;t as important as the meaning behind it :)<br /> [14:59] Jon Linden: good question<br /> [15:00] XLR8RRICK Hudson: lol Coyle<br /> [15:00] Igel Hawks: It works Georgette<br /> [15:00] Ricken Flow: I think we should let Jon take over the KB before Jeremy revers to his old favorites<br /> [15:00] WidgetHUD v1.1: Ricken Flow has pinged you.<br /> [15:00] Ricken Flow: lol<br /> [15:00] Becky Pippen: Bye all, have a great weekend!<br /> [15:00] Georgette Whitfield: Geil!<br /> [15:00] Jon Linden: indeed!<br /> [15:00] Georgette Whitfield: Bye Becky<br /> [15:00] Coyle Brenmann: ttfn<br /> [15:00] You: I think if you do that enough, your spelling checker will leave you a &quot;Dear John&quot; letter.<br /> [15:00] Jon Linden: that rounds out the hour, folks<br /> [15:00] Igel Hawks: Bye and enjoy your weekend<br /> [15:00] Georgette Whitfield: Awwwww<br /> [15:00] Jon Linden: everyone have a great one<br /> [15:00] Georgette Whitfield: Bye<br /> [15:00] Jon Linden: feel free to stop by again next week!<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;<br /> [[Category: Documentation Office Hours]]</div>

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