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Torley Linden https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/index.php?title=Doc_Team/2008-08-29&diff=88868&oldid=prev 2008-08-29T22:07:59Z

<p>New page: &lt;pre&gt; [14:01] You: Heh. Jon, are you force-Ruthed? [14:01] Jon Linden: i am a being of pure energy [14:01] Jon Linden: (someone made this and we&#039;re passing it around) [14:01] You: It m...</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [14:01] You: Heh. Jon, are you force-Ruthed?<br /> [14:01] Jon Linden: i am a being of pure energy<br /> [14:01] Jon Linden: (someone made this and we&#039;re passing it around)<br /> [14:01] You: It may surprise you to hear this, but I think I know at least three of those in Second Life, who predate the new Ruth.<br /> [14:01] Jon Linden: heheh<br /> [14:02] Jon Linden: anyone want a copy? it&#039;s a hairpiece<br /> [14:02] You: Sure.<br /> [14:02] Kate Linden: brb... voice connection is scrolling in chat.<br /> [14:02] You: Also, hi Becky. Welcome back!<br /> [14:02] Jon Linden gave you Vampire Cloud.<br /> [14:02] Becky Pippen: Hi guys!<br /> [14:03] Becky Pippen: Happy Friday!<br /> [14:03] Jon Linden: happy indeed!<br /> [14:03] Jon Linden: we&#039;re all sort of wondering what the attendance on today&#039;s office hour will be<br /> [14:03] Jon Linden: or at least i am, heh<br /> [14:04] You: I am, too. I&#039;m guessing &quot;some subset of people who have been here before.&quot;<br /> [14:04] You: Unless Torley&#039;s been pushing Doc Team on his blog :-)<br /> [14:04] Jon Linden: heh<br /> [14:05] Jon Linden: the pulsating of this cloud is kind of soothing to watch<br /> [14:05] Jon Linden: i wonder how that one study about using SL for relaxation is going<br /> [14:05] You: Heh. That&#039;s funny, I was just thinking to myself, &quot;Do not look directly into the cloud.&quot;<br /> [14:05] Kate Linden: I just adjusted my graphics setting because you are still a cloud lol<br /> [14:05] You: Oh! Jon, I just signed up for that, in Boston.<br /> [14:06] You: Most of the Boston Lab is in :-)<br /> [14:06] Jon Linden: kate, it&#039;s a hairpiece<br /> [14:06] Kate Linden: Oh cool<br /> [14:06] Jon Linden: would you like a copy?<br /> [14:06] Kate Linden: I&#039;d love a copy, thank you : )<br /> [14:06] Kate Linden: Thanks Jon<br /> [14:06] Jon Linden: becky, how about you? we can have an all-cloud office hour<br /> [14:07] Becky Pippen: hehe, sure I&#039;ll take one too<br /> [14:07] Becky Pippen: thanks<br /> [14:08] Jon Linden: it appears to be fully-permissive<br /> [14:08] Jon Linden: how would one go about altering the color of this thing?<br /> [14:08] Chav Paderborn: is this an event?<br /> [14:08] Jon Linden: hello, Chav -- you&#039;ve stumbled upon the Documentation Team&#039;s office hour<br /> [14:09] Chav Paderborn: is that a good thing?<br /> [14:09] Jon Linden: it could be!<br /> [14:09] You: Heh. If you like talking about Second Life&#039;s knowledge base or other help documentation, then it&#039;s a very good thing!<br /> [14:09] Chav Paderborn: oooh<br /> [14:09] Jon Linden: or if you would like a copy of this cloud avatar<br /> [14:10] Chav Paderborn: ooh someone finally made a cloud av!<br /> [14:10] Jon Linden: someone gave it to me and i&#039;ve been passing it around because it&#039;s kind of awesome<br /> [14:10] Chav Paderborn: does anytone have a linden bear i could have pls?<br /> [14:10] You: Sure!<br /> [14:10] Jon Linden: stand by<br /> [14:10] Chav Paderborn: thanks<br /> [14:11] Chav Paderborn accepted your inventory offer.<br /> [14:11] Chav Paderborn: ty<br /> [14:11] Chav Paderborn accepted your inventory offer.<br /> [14:11] Jon Linden: hello, Stacy, and welcome to Documentation Office Hours<br /> [14:11] Chav Paderborn: a knowledge bear!<br /> [14:11] Chav Paderborn: ty for bears<br /> [14:11] Stacy Wombat: Hello Jon thank you<br /> [14:12] You: So? What shall we discuss today? Does anyone have pressing documentation-related concerns, comments, questions, donations?<br /> [14:13] Jon Linden: especially donations<br /> [14:13] Jon Linden: i meant questions<br /> [14:13] Jon Linden: questions!<br /> [14:13] You: Non-pressing discussion topics?<br /> [14:14] You: Off-topics?<br /> [14:14] Chav Paderborn: erm<br /> [14:14] Chav Paderborn: does anyone read the documentatuin?<br /> [14:14] Jon Linden: they oughta<br /> [14:14] Stacy Wombat: I do<br /> [14:14] Stacy Wombat: lol<br /> [14:14] Jon Linden: if they have questions about how to do things<br /> [14:14] Chav Paderborn: good!<br /> [14:14] You: I can say with some confidence that at least one person reads the documentation.<br /> [14:14] Jon Linden: what jeremy said<br /> [14:14] WidgetHUD v1.1: Jon Linden has pinged you.<br /> [14:15] You: In all seriousness, we do get feedback on the knowledge base pretty often. That would seem to be a good indicator :-)<br /> [14:15] Stacy Wombat: Well if it wasn&#039;t for the sl wiki etc... I would have never figured out how to script<br /> [14:15] Chav Paderborn: yeah the wiki is nice<br /> [14:15] Chav Paderborn: sometimes i can understand it<br /> [14:15] Jon Linden: that&#039;s the trouble with wikis<br /> [14:16] You: Our wiki in particular tends to cover topics that are more technical than what the KB covers.<br /> [14:16] Jon Linden: great for breadth of topics, but the quality of the information or its presentation is totally up for grabs<br /> [14:16] Chav Paderborn: can i have a cloud pls?<br /> [14:17] Chav Paderborn: ty<br /> [14:17] Jon Linden: it&#039;s weird because it&#039;s just a hairpiece, but it totally works<br /> [14:18] Kate Linden: Oh if it&#039;s hair, I wonder if you can fit a smaller KB bear in it. It takes up less room than jellotar.<br /> [14:18] Jeremy Linden wonders if there&#039;s a place for solid objects in a nebulous cloud.<br /> [14:18] Jon Linden: it seems to override basically everything else the wearer has on<br /> [14:18] Jeremy Linden shakes his head, tries to get back on topic.<br /> [14:18] Chav Paderborn: a grenius made it<br /> [14:19] You: Chav, Stacy, do you often make use of the Knowledge Base?<br /> [14:19] Jon Linden: i&#039;d be interested in your KB activity vs wiki activity<br /> [14:19] You: (and reasons why)<br /> [14:20] Chav Paderborn: i dont use it much i dont like going outside skl to find things<br /> [14:20] Chav Paderborn: sl*<br /> [14:20] You: If the KB was integrated into the Second Life viewer better, do you think you would use it more?<br /> [14:20] Jon Linden: what do you do when you run across something you don&#039;t know how to do? or, if that doesn&#039;t happen anymore, what did you used to do?<br /> [14:20] Chav Paderborn: yah<br /> [14:21] Chav Paderborn: i go proper outside for info i have to<br /> [14:21] Chav Paderborn: like log out and wiki stuff<br /> [14:21] Chav Paderborn: and there&#039;s like inworkd tutoriuals for stuff<br /> [14:21] Stacy Wombat: Usually use it to look up detailed information about things... I think the last time I used it was to find what the naming restrictions are for sims...<br /> [14:21] Chav Paderborn: that people made<br /> [14:21] Jon Linden: tell us about these inworld tutorials<br /> [14:21] Jon Linden: i am intrigued<br /> [14:22] Chav Paderborn: theres scripting onea and i saw one about using textures<br /> [14:22] You: Heh. Jon, there are groups like NCI that hold classes all the time :-)<br /> [14:22] Chav Paderborn: yah classes are good for learning<br /> [14:22] Jon Linden: i was picturing something standalone that somehow taught you how to make itself<br /> [14:22] Jon Linden: (if that makes any sense)<br /> [14:22] You: That sounds kind of like The Ivory Tower, actually.<br /> [14:23] Kate Linden: Yes or the Particle Lab<br /> [14:23] Jon Linden: i see<br /> [14:24] Chav Paderborn: you can do a lot with notecards and textures<br /> [14:24] Chav Paderborn: to teach things<br /> [14:24] Kate Linden: Have you ever used your profile to load KB articles via the web tab?<br /> [14:24] Chav Paderborn: you can do that?<br /> [14:24] You: Indeed you can!<br /> [14:24] Chav Paderborn: do i put it in as my homepage or something?<br /> [14:25] You: And with media on a parcel, you should be able to load KB articles on properly-textued objects.<br /> [14:25] Jeremy Linden tries.<br /> [14:25] Kate Linden: You can keep whichever URL you want in your profile or change when you want to load a different page.<br /> [14:25] Entering god mode, level 200<br /> [14:25] Chav Paderborn: html on a prim!<br /> [14:25] Kate Linden: I did try to load articles on a prim Jeremy, but I was only able to get part of the article.<br /> [14:25] WidgetHUD v1.1: Kate Linden has pinged you.<br /> [14:26] You: Oh, true. No working scrollbars yet.<br /> [14:26] Chav Paderborn: do you have an inworld knowledge base location?<br /> [14:26] Chav Paderborn: to encourage opeople to visit?<br /> [14:26] Kate Linden: You can JING the article and upload it as a texture though : )<br /> [14:26] Jon Linden: that&#039;s something we&#039;ve been talking about amongst ourselves, actually<br /> [14:27] Jon Linden: we&#039;re looking into putting an inworld location somewhere that will be full of knowledge goodness<br /> [14:27] Chav Paderborn: that&#039;d be good<br /> [14:27] Jon Linden: it&#039;s still in the preliminary planning stages, but we&#039;re gettin&#039; there<br /> [14:28] Kate Linden: What would you like to see inworld on a Documentation/Knowledge region?<br /> [14:28] Chav Paderborn: you could put the most popular articles in it<br /> [14:29] Becky Pippen: and a little sandbox area for trying out things<br /> [14:29] Chav Paderborn: yeah<br /> [14:29] Jon Linden: these are good ideas<br /> [14:30] Chav Paderborn: otherwiose i think you need to wait for html onna prim<br /> [14:30] Kate Linden: What would be your media type preference? Would you want large prim with article textures to read, or books to sit at a table and read, or a combo of vidtuts and text? Visual demo&#039;s?<br /> [14:31] Chav Paderborn: what if you gave out free books to take away?<br /> [14:31] Chav Paderborn: there&#039;s a scripting place inworld that sells tutorial books of the pictures<br /> [14:31] You: Good idea in theory, though it might be difficult to keep up-to-date.<br /> [14:31] Chav Paderborn: yah<br /> [14:32] Chav Paderborn: people wouild probably like videos<br /> [14:32] Jon Linden: i wonder if it would be possible to create a tree or something with leaves that bear the titles of the most popular articles, which would open your inworld browser and take you right there<br /> [14:32] You: Heh.<br /> [14:33] You: &quot;Tree of Knowledge&quot;<br /> [14:33] You: We promise not to kick you out for eating the fruit, though.<br /> [14:33] Jon Linden: we should almost certainly have videos<br /> [14:33] Chav Paderborn: do you want it to be for new people or old people?<br /> [14:33] Kate Linden: That&#039;s a refreshing idea Jon.<br /> [14:33] Jon Linden: both, why not<br /> [14:33] Chav Paderborn: you coiuld have a section for newbies so people can send them there<br /> [14:33] Chav Paderborn: with all the basic stuff<br /> [14:33] Chav Paderborn: &quot;how do i level up in this game&quot; and so on<br /> [14:33] Jon Linden: hahaha<br /> [14:34] Chav Paderborn has gained a level!<br /> [14:34] You: &quot;Make the L$ number bigger.&quot;<br /> [14:34] Jon Linden chuckles<br /> [14:34] Chav Paderborn: erm to be honest though<br /> [14:34] Chav Paderborn: i find linden projects get abandoned r fast<br /> [14:35] Chav Paderborn: like the roads that never get built<br /> [14:35] Chav Paderborn: and pathfinders picks<br /> [14:35] Chav Paderborn: OK DONT BAN ME PLS<br /> [14:35] Jon Linden: i can&#039;t speak to path&#039;s projects, but i have a guess about the roads<br /> [14:36] You: Ah, but we do have a team of volunteers to maintain our roads and cities, now. The in the between-time, we decided to focus on providing Second Life as a platform, rather than the content inside it.<br /> [14:36] Chav Paderborn: oh yeah the moles<br /> [14:36] Chav Paderborn: maybe notecards would be nice as well<br /> [14:36] Chav Paderborn: for people who dont rez things fast<br /> [14:37] Jon Linden: all things are possible<br /> [14:37] Chav Paderborn: if you want traffic advertise it as a casino-brothel<br /> [14:37] You: Heh.<br /> [14:37] You: Potentially two of the only things that aren&#039;t possible.<br /> [14:38] You: Casino, at least. But I&#039;m not going to be staffing a brothel.<br /> [14:38] Chav Paderborn: and remember to put it in serach<br /> [14:38] Jon Linden: heh<br /> [14:38] Chav Paderborn: i think it&#039;ll be a good place to have<br /> [14:39] You: Maybe we could advertise &quot;Free Lindens&quot;<br /> [14:39] Jeremy Linden is free.<br /> [14:39] Jon Linden chuckles again<br /> [14:40] Chav Paderborn: i mostly find out about things from other residents<br /> [14:40] Jon Linden: this makes sense<br /> [14:40] Chav Paderborn: if i dont know things i im people<br /> [14:40] Chav Paderborn: and then i go to like a wiki if i need to<br /> [14:40] Jon Linden: but you prefer to go to people you know first for information<br /> [14:40] Chav Paderborn: yah<br /> [14:41] Chav Paderborn: is easier<br /> [14:41] Jon Linden: makes total sense<br /> [14:41] Chav Paderborn: basically im lazy<br /> [14:41] You: That&#039;s pretty much how I learned most of what I know about Second Life, too.<br /> [14:41] Chav Paderborn: sl kind of teches you to look inworld for things somehow<br /> [14:41] You: It&#039;s easiest to ask someone who already understands something, so they can explain it to you in realtime.<br /> [14:42] Chav Paderborn: like its a world so stuff should be init<br /> [14:42] Chav Paderborn: &quot;How do i fly?&quot; &quot;Well, first you go to the website...&quot;<br /> [14:42] Chav Paderborn: i think im a bit of an immersionist in that<br /> [14:42] Kate Linden: There are now some very basics located in the viewer tutorial.<br /> [14:43] Kate Linden: Help&gt;Tutorial<br /> [14:43] Chav Paderborn looks<br /> [14:43] Chav Paderborn: ooh thats nice<br /> [14:44] Chav Paderborn: ermonly there *is* no &quot;chat button&quot;<br /> [14:44] Chav Paderborn: oh wait there is<br /> [14:44] Chav Paderborn: sorry<br /> [14:44] Jon Linden: heheh<br /> [14:44] Chav Paderborn: i looked in the old place :S<br /> [14:44] Chav Paderborn: that tutorial was nifty<br /> [14:44] Chav Paderborn: do you tell people abotu it on help island?<br /> [14:45] Kate Linden: When a new Resident arrives in SL, it is automatically opened on their screen.<br /> [14:45] Jon Linden: yes, what kate said<br /> [14:45] Chav Paderborn: clever!<br /> [14:45] Jon Linden: we got rid of the old OI HUD<br /> [14:45] Jon Linden: and actually, OI altogether<br /> [14:45] Jon Linden: new Residents arrive on one of the Help Islands<br /> [14:45] You: (slightly modified)<br /> [14:46] Chav Paderborn: hows that working out for you?<br /> [14:46] Chav Paderborn: or is that a secret?<br /> [14:46] Chav Paderborn: (you can lie)<br /> [14:46] Jon Linden: i think we made the switch because we did some testing and it turned out to be a better idea<br /> [14:46] Jon Linden: but i haven&#039;t got the details<br /> [14:47] Chav Paderborn: i suppose people increasingly need outside info to make things<br /> [14:47] You: It&#039;s much, much easier for us to update the new HTML-based tutorial than it was for us to update the OI HUD :-)<br /> [14:48] Jon Linden: also true<br /> [14:49] Chav Paderborn: the tutiorial thing is concise<br /> [14:49] Jon Linden: extremely so<br /> [14:50] Jon Linden: i think there was also some testing done around &quot;what are the things people most want to do when they first arrive&quot;<br /> [14:50] Jon Linden: and it went from there<br /> [14:50] Chav Paderborn: took me a while to learn to alt the camera<br /> [14:50] Chav Paderborn: i was like &quot;HOW DO I SEE MY FAAAACE?&quot;<br /> [14:50] Jeremy Linden considers that an essential skil.<br /> [14:50] You: er, skill<br /> [14:50] Chav Paderborn: you really need it for building and stuff<br /> [14:50] Chav Paderborn: and seeing your pretty clothes and face<br /> [14:51] You: I actually feel blind without constantly moving my camera around.<br /> [14:51] Camera Tracking Arrow v1.2: Command list: &quot;camera die&quot;, &quot;camera freeze&quot;.<br /> [14:51] Chav Paderborn: eee camera<br /> [14:51] You: Hmm.<br /> [14:51] Chav Paderborn: i still cant work mouselook lols<br /> [14:52] You: Oh wonderful, lolcubes.<br /> [14:52] You: Poor Orientation Island Public.<br /> [14:52] Chav Paderborn: its like its called Target Practice<br /> [14:52] Kate Linden: Torley gives out a free Follow Me hud. You can search the KB for the article with the SLURL in it ! ; )<br /> [14:53] Chav Paderborn: i feel like i might have that<br /> [14:53] Chav Paderborn: i got some camera things from torley land<br /> [14:53] You: Heh. I&#039;ve got my draw distance up high enough that I can see some kind of overflow from Orientation Island Public. GTeam notified!<br /> [14:53] Chav Paderborn: oooh can you put torleys video tuts inworld?<br /> [14:54] Kate Linden: Yes. Torley has many on his new region named Here, and there are also some on I-World Island.<br /> [14:54] You: I&#039;ve long wanted to do something akin to a &quot;Torley Channel&quot; that Residents can just sit down and watch endlessly.<br /> [14:54] Can&#039;t move object &#039;Camera Tracking Arrow v1.2&#039; to <br /> { 47.6982, 127.576, 74.851 } in region Beaumont because your objects are not allowed on this parcel.<br /> [14:54] Chav Paderborn: a whoel island of torley?<br /> [14:55] Jon Linden: http://lindenlab.blip.tv/ is basically the Torley Channel<br /> [14:55] Kate Linden: Yes. Search &#039;Here&#039; on your map. You can&#039;t miss it (torley colors)<br /> [14:55] Chav Paderborn: im gonna look at that next<br /> [14:56] Jon Linden: if he&#039;s around, tell him we sent you!<br /> [14:58] Jon Linden: it looks like our hour&#039;s just about up, folks<br /> [14:58] Chav Paderborn: sorry i was not moar helpful<br /> [14:58] Jon Linden: you were plenty helpful!<br /> [14:58] Becky Pippen: Thanks, guys<br /> [14:58] Jon Linden: this is why we do this office hour<br /> [14:58] Chav Paderborn: ty for bears<br /> [14:58] Chav Paderborn: and the cloud of awesome<br /> [14:58] Jon Linden: of course<br /> [14:58] Kate Linden: Thank you for your feedback.<br /> [14:58] Jon Linden: have an excellent weekend!<br /> [14:59] Becky Pippen: Yay weekend!<br /> [14:59] Chav Paderborn: wheeee<br /> [14:59] Rodgers Beardmore: sorry to butt in, I have one short question.<br /> [14:59] Jon Linden: fire away<br /> [14:59] Rodgers Beardmore: who would be interested in hearing about a virus message being passed around?<br /> [15:00] Jon Linden: passed around inworld? or over email?<br /> [15:00] Becky Pippen: if it&#039;s the one I&#039;ve seen multiple times already today, the message itself is the virus :-)<br /> [15:00] Rodgers Beardmore: inworld, in IM<br /> [15:00] You: Our Support knows about it, I think. Is this about the one where some script supposedly can take your L$ whether you agree or reject?<br /> [15:00] Rodgers Beardmore: yes<br /> [15:01] You: Our Support folks are on it, but thanks for bringing it to our attention :-)<br /> [15:01] Rodgers Beardmore: thanks, then.<br /> [15:01] Jon Linden: no problem!<br /> [15:01] Rodgers Beardmore: hope your have a good day<br /> [15:01] Jon Linden: everybody be well!<br /> [15:01] Kate Linden: If you ever want to report anything violating TOS or CS, just go to Help &gt; Report Abuse : )<br /> [15:01] Rodgers Beardmore: ok, thanks<br /> [15:02] You: Have a good weekend, everyone!<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;<br /> [[Category: Documentation Office Hours]]</div>

Jeremy Linden