Rob Linden: New page: * [14:01] Squirrel Wood: you know, self replicating sound emitting, rotating cubes with disgusting textures * [14:01] Q Linden: I once started to...

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New page: * [14:01] Squirrel Wood: you know, self replicating sound emitting, rotating cubes with disgusting textures * [14:01] Q Linden: I once started to...

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* [14:01] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: you know, self replicating sound emitting, rotating cubes with disgusting textures
* [14:01] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: I once started to saw off the limb my ladder was leaning on
* [14:01] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: /ao off
* [14:01] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: IRL
* [14:01] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: hi folks
* [14:01] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: oh, that sounds original
* [14:01] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Hi Rob!
* [14:02] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: Hello Rob
* [14:02] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: May the force inspire you! http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08062102.html
* [14:03] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: I should be posting a transcript of this meeting later (oh, yeah, and last week's too) so please don't type anything you don't want in a publicly available transcript
* [14:03] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: oh jeez
* [14:03] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: never got around to pruning out old items from last week
* [14:03] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: I'm embarrassed to admit sending part of my childhood making dot matrix printers do that lol
* [14:03] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: *spending
* [14:04] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: lol, you had an interesting childhood it seems, I only printed with them :-(
* [14:04] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: lol... we usd to make Atari disk drives do tha
* [14:04] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: atari 400 or 800?
* [14:04] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: 800
* [14:04] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: the only way to go
* [14:04] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: I remember seeing an IBM mainframe chain printer "singing" christmas songs
* [14:04] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: NICE. my dad got me a 400. and then made me learn to touch type on it... :(
* [14:04] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: well, I don't see any fresh items here: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda
* [14:05] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: Whoops -- meant to add HIPPOS to the agenda.
* [14:05] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: yes, I was surprised it was Thursday already
* [14:05] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: why don't you start off Liana? Hippos == great first subject
* [14:05] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Make HIPPOS actual sculpted 3d objects in SL :p
* [14:06] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: Yeah... but at least it's still February... right?
* [14:06] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: we'll be adding a new prim type soon ;-)
* [14:06] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: Hippos should never be of anyone's agenda
* [14:06] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: Hopefully, you all saw the Call for Nominations posted to SLdev yesterday.
* [14:06] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: sure, nearing the end of the century
* [14:06] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: prim_type_acorn ?
* [14:06] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/sldev/2008-June/010774.html
* [14:06] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: *off bah, typo night
* [14:06] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: Are there any questions?
* [14:07] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: who's going to win? :P
* [14:07] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: sees typing people...
* [14:08] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: Heh. Aimee, we'll all just have to wait and see.
* [14:08] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: Liana...nah.. the inner voice that exercises prior restaint just kicked in
* [14:08] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: will, undoubtedly, not be among the winners ^^
* [14:08] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: hm, think I missed that one yesterday
* [14:08] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: still a few days to do something awesome :D
* [14:09] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: If any questions do come up, feel free to contact me. Otherwise, please add your nominations to the jira tasks. Thanks!
* [14:09] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: hmm.. a bunch of lindens over here and a bunch of residents over there..
* [14:09] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Welcome to the land of mere mortals.
* [14:10] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: dunno if you all saw the first code drop from Google Summer of Code. You have to be a bit of a PJIRA junky to notice, but it's there
* [14:10] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: just makin' sure everyone knows they're supported
* [14:10] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: digs up the number
* [14:10] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: I've heard a lot of people using the Mac client complaining about FPS issues and stability problems.
* [14:10] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: does that this make this bit no man's land?
* [14:10] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: hm, no mention on sldev?
* [14:10] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Have any of the mac developers been addressing the issues, and investigating some fo the causes fo such?
* [14:10] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-6975
* [14:11] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: if you mean the PPC troubles - i've been on them... and i think they're all resolved.
* [14:11] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: any frame rate below 250 fps will cause people to bitch, whine and moan about lacking performance :p
* [14:11] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: (thx Q.. I actually still occassionally run the viewer on my old G4 at home)
* [14:12] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: me too. :)
* [14:12] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: fortunately if it's performance related, we can always blame Apple for their OpenGL drivers
* [14:12] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: hm, oh, just a patch? I thought it would be a new branch
* [14:12] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: anyone that gets over 15fps should donate the excess to other users :D
* [14:12] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: you don't want to know my fps here.. I'm on a slow laptop chipset
* [14:12] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: but it's a G84 :)
* [14:12] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: anyone who gets over 15fps turns-up their draw distance... :)
* [14:13] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: 9fps right now
* [14:13] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Carjay: Re: VWR-6975 - we're sorting out logistics on a new branch
* [14:14] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: hm, I got the impression that Lindens create a new branch first thing in the morning :)
* [14:14] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: I get less than one fps on the machine at work.
* [14:14] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: 7fps here with 65m draw distance
* [14:14] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: hmm... Carjay is probably getting both frames per second
* [14:14] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: 64 even
* [14:14] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: about 10 seconds per frame to be exact
* [14:14] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: that's on a MacBook Pro
* [14:14] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: oh, I'm not using a Mac though
* [14:15] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: the llDetectedTouch*() calls are waiting for the release queue... should be out soonish (i hope)
* [14:15] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: Squirrel... lemme turn on my particle generator then...
* [14:15] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: I have particles at max here... they don't really bother me on my home machine :p
* [14:16] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: and that 0.1 fps at work was with minimum settings :p
* [14:16] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: good news Qarl :)
* [14:17] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: btw.. You did excellent work on RC11 ^^
* [14:17] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: There's an issue with the Inventory UI window that I would like to bring up.
* [14:17] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: yes
* [14:18] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Then you're dragging an object to a folder, quite a few people find the jumping around behavior to be erratic and annoying, making it hard often times to get something to drop into the relevant folder.
* [14:18] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Could there be some way to configure such behavior?
* [14:18] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: very true
* [14:19] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: I've run into it a lot, and so have a number of other people I know.
* [14:19] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: I always use two windows to avoid it
* [14:19] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Analog: that's probably a good thing to get onto the agenda of Benjamin Linden's office hour (right after this one)
* [14:19] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: god knows how many times I've dropped something in the wrong folder and not seen which one, then had to do a search to find it again
* [14:19] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: yeah
* [14:19] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: This happens on two windows, too.
* [14:19] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Try dragging something into a folder with items already in it.
* [14:19] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: => recent items
* [14:20] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: should show up there
* [14:20] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: hmm.. this is a situation where having a slow machine seems to be an advantage
* [14:21] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: slow machine will probably simply skip the frames inbetween :)
* [14:22] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: is there anything that's gone unanswered by a Linden on sldev@ in the past week that should have been answered?
* [14:24] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: yes, for example my mail about the LLLFSThread :)
* [14:24] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: was just looking at that.
* [14:24] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Poppy did ping internally....looks like we need to get more agressive about getting someone to speak up
* [14:25] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: it's not really a burning issue though, just general interest what the plans for code that hasn't been touched in a while are
* [14:25] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: anyone here in a position to talk about that? For reference, it's Carsten's mail from June 20
* [14:25] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: doesn't know much about it
* [14:26] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: I think I remember that's something Steve was thinknig about?
* [14:26] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: repings
* [14:27] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: thanks
* [14:27] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: sooner or later I'll be too obnoxious to ignore, but I'll avoid cranking that dial up too far just yet :)
* [14:27] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: he'll go from reping to pillaging
* [14:28] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: /nice
* [14:28] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: I have a slightly irrelevant question.
* [14:28] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Concerning glow.
* [14:28] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Carjay: you may want to send an "anyone?.... anyone? ....bueller?" message to sldev@
* [14:28] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: Analog: shoot.
* [14:29] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: I've made a few objects that changes glow via the relevant prim parameter from a script. I'm using the RC client. Has said parameter been finalized, so to speak, in that it will work in any of the WindLight based clients?
* [14:30] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: yes.
* [14:30] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: PRIM_GLOW, or 25
* [14:30] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Indeed.
* [14:30] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: both.
* [14:30] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Thank you.
* [14:30] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: :)
* [14:32] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: has anyone tried building 1.20.0.11?
* [14:32] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: is on rc11
* [14:32] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: rock stable so far
* [14:32] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: I'm using the precompiled RC11 client right now for Windows.
* [14:32] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: I'm running the latest code drop from SVN viewer-2
* [14:32] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: according to my About Second Life window I'm on 1.20.12 now ^^
* [14:33] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: yes, 1.20.12 (0) :)
* [14:33] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Second Life 1.20.11 (90229) Jun 19 2008 21:24:47 (Second Life Release Candidate)
* [14:33] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: cool... Aimee and Carjay have lept forward into the future.
* [14:33] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: :)
* [14:33] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: although when I log in it tries to tell me it's out of date
* [14:33] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: has another semi-irrelevant question concerning textures.
* [14:33] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: so I think I'm lost in time somewhere
* [14:33] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: yes, that's a funny bit
* [14:34] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: guess the web site is confused
* [14:34] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Carjay: any build quirks/workarounds?
* [14:34] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: can't you avoid version checking with the --channel option to the viewer?
* [14:34] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: hm, no, worked perfectly, even all my patches still applied :)
* [14:34] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: (same question for Aimee)
* [14:34] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: yeah, can log in fine, there's just a nag on the login screen
* [14:35] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: Analog: feel free to ask anything. :)
* [14:35] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: we've talked about making it so that by default the channel is different when built from source out of external repository
* [14:35] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: would make sense
* [14:35] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: it's never risen to the "we must do this" level
* [14:35] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: I always have mine altered for my own builds anyway
* [14:36] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: I read instructions ;)
* [14:36] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: well, sometimes
* [14:36] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: sounds like the typical thing to talk about at the coffee machine early in the morning
* [14:36] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Aimee: you still get the "you're viewer is out of date" warning?
* [14:36] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: yes
* [14:36] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: er "your"
* [14:36] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: same here, on the login screen at startup
* [14:36] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: needs more coffee
* [14:36] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Any chance that .txt files can be added to the bulk upload feature ?
* [14:36] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: not a bad idea.
* [14:37] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: but it does not keep me from logging in, just a friendly message with big red letters
* [14:37] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Many people have lag issues when loading 1024x1024 textures. Would it be possible to have some sort of slider in the graphics options for texture quality? As in setting what the maximum quality would be, and if the client downloads something larger, then it could, say, resample it down to 512x512, or 256x256 or something to that effect?
* [14:37] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: where would they be put, notecards?
* [14:37] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: notecards. yes.
* [14:37] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: unless they are .lsl files...
* [14:37] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Something like that would make a lot of people quite happy.
* [14:38] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Carjay and Aimee, that sounds like a bug to me....
* [14:38] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Lately I had problems getting the client to load a number of 128x128 textures properly. It would stop at the 32x32 mipmap
* [14:38] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: it would not need to resample, just needs to stop decoding at some point, Analog
* [14:38] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: hmmm... graphics, text, lsl... html also, eventually? for html display wth notecards?
* [14:38] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: yeah... like a max texture size...
* [14:38] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: Rob: Hm, actually I thought it was maybe related to using a source build
* [14:38] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: so didn't really think about it for long
* [14:38] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: yup, I'd just been ignoring assuming it was me tweaking something at some point, but if Carjay's getting it as well ...
* [14:38] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: About two dozen people who know I go to these meetings have wanted me to bring this up.
* [14:38] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: hmm... Squirrel... you would really pay L$10 to upload a text file when you could copy and paste it's contents for free?
* [14:38] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: Analog - can you build the open source client?
* [14:39] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: think we should talk more often, Aimee :)
* [14:39] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: :D
* [14:39] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Carjay, if you change the channel entirely, I think you shouldn't get that warning.
* [14:39] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: should not be pay for text uploads...
* [14:39] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: but pasting text to several dozen notecards is quite annoying
* [14:39] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: yeah... i can see where you're coming from
* [14:40] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: Squirrel - file the jira. it's a good idea.
* [14:40] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Qarl, I'm waiting on a large drive to install Linux onto. Afterward, I will be trying to build the client.
* [14:40] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: it might be a tad interesting getting the server end of teh upload to know not to charge for it
* [14:41] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Visual Studio has always been a bit too... erratic for me to get anything done, asides for practicing swearing in five languages and a dozen assorted dialects of said laugnages.
* [14:41] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: Analog - play around with a method called "addTextureStats()"... put a conditional in there like "if (size > 512*512) size = 512*512". that'll clamp the max download size.
* [14:41] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: lol Analog
* [14:41] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: but i like the idea.. maybe we could get teh OpenSim folks to implement it and then raise it's priority at LL in the name of "interoperability"
* [14:42] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Roughly what are the hardware requirements to run OpenSim?
* [14:42] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: 8 Core XEON
* [14:43] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: but seriously... I don't know
* [14:43] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: ... and that would be my first crash with the new build
* [14:43] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: on a related note, woul dit ever be worthwhile to have notecards able to todisplay html, or is that too much griefing potential?
* [14:43] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Congratulations. You've entered a newer, greater world.
* [14:43] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: wb, Aimee, oh dear
* [14:43] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: i dunno, crash for a second and someone pinches your seat lol
* [14:43] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Aimee: doh!
* [14:44] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: yeah... you gotta sit on this side... this is the stable side of the amphitheatre
* [14:44] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: radiates instability
* [14:44] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: saijanai -- nicely formatted notecards, you're thinking?
* [14:44] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: It's the tir, Rob. Definitely the tie.
* [14:44] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: <mental note>stop spiing the cam round with the space nav while talking to people
* [14:44] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: hm, hm, actually I just noticed for the second time that I only saw the feet of an avatar and when I zoomed in it suddenly appeared completely
* [14:45] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: I think I never saw that before today
* [14:45] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: carjay, that's the impostors
* [14:45] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: Q, right. Embedded links, images, etc
* [14:45] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: noticed that with you just now Carjay
* [14:45] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Qarl, https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-7959
* [14:45] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: i don't know that there's too much security problems if you avoid ECMAScript... and had the option to turn off autoload of images
* [14:45] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: aha
* [14:45] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Aimee: which platform do you run the viewer on?
* [14:45] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: think the imposter is getting drawn with the feet inside the seat
* [14:45] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: right, the z depth of the impostor is the average of the avatr
* [14:45] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: it would make notecards far more useful
* [14:45] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: I'm on a MacBook Pro here
* [14:45] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: while the avatar sticks out
* [14:45] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: "Avatar impostors" is unchecked though
* [14:46] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: yeah - imposters have no depth infomation... yet.
* [14:46] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: loves the fact that Aimee is submitting a bunch of SpaceNav patches
* [14:46] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: of course, I want html on a prim to be able to refer to "localhost" inside a prim's inventory
* [14:46] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: :)
* [14:46] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: someone noticed my list of tweaks lol
* [14:46] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: just hopes someone on Linux gets interested in the open source drivers and makes them work
* [14:47] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: so you could have a static, but complicated webpage as a simple texture without needing a web server behind it
* [14:47] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: I can poke at them after I get Linux installed on this machine.
* [14:47] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: hm, where can you get this "Space Nav" ?
* [14:47] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: only in the US?
* [14:47] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: what are the new tweaks, Aimee? (i'm in love with my space nav)
* [14:47] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: Sai.... talk to Zero about Wheat sometime...
* [14:47] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: OK
* [14:48] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: I'm pretty sure I've seen it for sale in the UK as well... figured it was everywhere
* [14:48] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: making it work with vehicles
* [14:48] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: hm, checking
* [14:48] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: ability to walk diagonally properly
* [14:48] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: AH - yeah. Which sent an email around engineering about it. :)
* [14:48] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: various other bits and pieces I can't remember lol
* [14:49] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: navigates trees. not space. Is there a treenavigator out there?
* [14:49] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: there you go, have a free Space Nav lol
* [14:49] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: work in progress lol
* [14:49] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: likes LISP and wants to navigate lists
* [14:50] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: likes LISP too.
* [14:50] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: is starting to envision a LISPLife client
* [14:50] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: heck... did I use my outside voice for that last comment
* [14:50] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: ?
* [14:50] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: LISP would be mighty sweet to have as a language for use in SL.
* [14:51] [[User:Qarl Linden|Qarl Linden]]: someone did a LISP interpreteur in LSL, i think.
* [14:51] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: cobol?
* [14:51] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: did you see the scripting survey that went out to sldev?
* [14:51] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: COBOL bad!
* [14:51] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: assembler? mov ax,13h ?
* [14:51] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: learned COBOL from a student of Admiral Hopper
* [14:51] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: I commented taht I would like to see Scheme as the official SL scripting language
* [14:52] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: syntax error: it's mov av, Hippotropolis
* [14:52] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: then I would port my .emacs file to SL
* [14:52] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Oh! I use an ATI Radeon chipset. The RC clients have been giving better and better performance, particularly with the last few driver updates from ATI.
* [14:52] [[User:Echo Seigo|Echo Seigo]]: I just want to use vi to edit my notecards :)
* [14:52] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: lol... yay! the SpaceNav
* [14:52] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: I'd vote to only accept proper english as the scripting language. Then only the 1337 people would be able to write working scripts :p
* [14:52] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Thank you for improving ATI support.
* [14:52] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: :D
* [14:53] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: SL is no longer a slideshow for me.
* [14:53] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: BTW, I'd like to point out the official webpage for pyogp: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pyogp
* [14:53] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: right.
* [14:53] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: And the irc is quite busy for seconds on end: irc://irc.freenode.com/#pyogp
* [14:53] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: ah, see there is a dealer in my city for the 3dConexxion devices :)
* [14:53] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: Anyone interested in the protocol side of SL openness is encouraged to participate
* [14:54] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: (in the pyogp community)
* [14:54] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: and with that, Firefox decided to crash
* [14:54] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Someone told me that OpenSim servers may be allowed to be integrated onto the grid. May I have some information on that, if there is any?
* [14:54] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: *insert comment about brave new world of interoperability between SL and OpenSim sims*
* [14:55] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: Tess and Infinity and Lacklain and others are generally lurking there
* [14:55] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: Analog.. that's a BIG discussion
* [14:55] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Indeed. Hence my asking for someplace I could view information on such. I'm curious.
* [14:55] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: Latest meeting was this morning: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Zero_Linden/Office_Hours/2008_June_26
* [14:55] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: that's come up more than once or twice at the AWG meetings
* [14:55] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Analog: that's something to go to Zero's office hour to talk about
* [14:55] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: Thank you, Rob.
* [14:56] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: eek. is it really 55 minutes later?
* [14:56] [[User:Echo Seigo|Echo Seigo]]: nope
* [14:56] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: unfortunately, time tends to fly here
* [14:56] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: and this was an impromptu meeting at Which's https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Which_Linden/Office_Hours/2008_Jun_26
* [14:56] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: yeah, prolly should wrap up
* [14:56] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: Thanks, all.
* [14:56] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: Aimee: what's the difference between Standard and Personal Edition?
* [14:57] [[User:Pinky Ebbage|Pinky Ebbage]]: Pardon me....sorry
* [14:57] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: nothing in practical terms, it's just the licencing
* [14:57] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: you get support on the standard
* [14:57] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: ah, I see, weird
* [14:57] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: 59/99 Euro
* [14:57] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: I was hoping to ask if there would ever be an update to the land building tools. Someone mentioned they seem to barely have been touched since beta. And someone else mentioned something about the possibility of floating land, whatever that is.
* [14:58] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: terraforms sims.
* [14:58] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: Gigs has a good patch on the terraform tools
* [14:58] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: kay, looks interesting
* [14:58] [[User:Analog Nihilist|Analog Nihilist]]: URL to said patch?
* [14:58] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: was thinking of nominating him for hippos for it
* [14:58] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: just a mo
* [14:58] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: I met someone who was creating a special shadow build sim to allow opensim to be used as a fast "cache' for building tools
* [14:58] [[User:Liana Linden|Liana Linden]]: Gotta run. Have a good week.
* [14:58] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: thanks, Linana
* [14:58] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2331
* [14:59] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: so you'd edit in realtime in the OPenSim using sophisticated interfaces, and peridically update SL server with the changes
* [14:59] [[User:Infinity Linden|Infinity Linden]]: I too have to run... bug fixes apparently don't check themselves in yet
* [14:59] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: dang, I was hoping ....
* [14:59] [[User:Squirrel Wood|Squirrel Wood]]: Or you use my little tool and edit IN SL, SEE what you get, and apply the final layout to the sim ^^
* [14:59] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: yeah, pity
* [14:59] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: re: terraform: I don't recall hearing any big plans there. it'd be good to file feature requests for stuff you want
* [14:59] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: anyway, I should get going.
* [14:59] [[User:Pinky Ebbage|Pinky Ebbage]]: Thank you, Aimee
* [14:59] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: I would like to shape the landscape by thought
* [15:00] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: thanks everyone!
* [15:00] [[User:Carjay McGinnis|Carjay McGinnis]]: thanks, Rob

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