Rob Linden: transcript

2009-06-25T22:12:06Z

transcript

New page

Open source meeting - Thursday, 2pm PT.

[http://slurl.com/secondlife/Hippotropolis/248/15/25/ Teleport] to the Linden Open Source Project headquarters.

== Agenda ==

* I'd like to see discussed how to handle issues pertaining to both 1.23.4 and Snowglobe. For instance {{jira|VWR-13868}} exists in both viewers but there is no issue entered under the SNOW project, so would a fix implemented also be put into Snowglobe? Another example is {{jira|SNOW-61}} and {{jira|VWR-13975}} here we have the same issue under both projects, should SNOW-61 be resolved as a dupliciate of VWR-13975?. A third example is {{jira|VWR-14357}} a Snowglobe issue entered under VWR but resolved as a duplicate of {{jira|VWR-13302}} a 1.23.4 issue. And an example of a change that made it into 1.23.4 but not Snowglobe is "Groups" on the avatar pie menu. --[[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]] 16:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

== Transcript ==

* [13:58] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: hi folks
* [13:58] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Hi Rob :)
* [13:59] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: hey :)
* [13:59] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: thanks for the agenda item Harleen....very timely and appropriate
* [13:59] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda]
* [13:59] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: yw :)
* [13:59] [[User:Winne Woodget|Winne Woodget]]: hi bob, merov :)
* [13:59] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: hi
* [14:00] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: one easy thing while we're waiting on everyone: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-62
* [14:00] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Hi Rob, Merov :-)
* [14:00] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: Hi Morgaine
* [14:00] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Oh cool, we're tagged :P
* [14:00] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: probably shortly after this meeting I'll be tagging Snowglobe 1.0 in svn, creating a "trunk", and opening up the trunk for new edits
* [14:01] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: if anyone hates the locations, say so in JIRA
* [14:02] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: sounds fine, at least till the rocket reaches Mercury
* [14:02] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: :)
* [14:02] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: so....we have a quorum to really begin?
* [14:02] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: We're in LEO currently :-)
* [14:03] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Item #1 from the agenda: I'd like to see discussed how to handle issues pertaining to both 1.23.4 and Snowglobe. For instance VWR-13868[c
* [14:03] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: This place feels so empty without the tiny protesters ;-)
* [14:03] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: lol
* [14:04] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: :D
* [14:05] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: so, the original thought behind having the SNOW project was to be able to track issues separately
* [14:05] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: however, we've been pretty hesitant to create duplicates
* [14:05] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: i think being to track seperatly is a good idea
* [14:05] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: ...and it hasn't been strictly necessary in the grand scheme of things
* [14:05] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: and i think duplicates are the only real way
* [14:06] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: i think if we track just via VWR its actually the identical situation in reverse
* [14:06] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: So how do we insure changes made in one project make it to the other?
* [14:06] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: *not changes *fixes
* [14:06] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Harleen hit upon the essential question here
* [14:07] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: forking the issues does create a new level of burden
* [14:07] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: its more difficult as not all issues have patches comming from this side of the firewall
* [14:07] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]: marking as duplicate doesn't necessarily means resolving as duplicate
* [14:07] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]: (?)
* [14:07] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Given that main will cherry-pick from Snowglobe rather than simply follow, I think there's no option but to keep the issues separate. Something could get fixed in Snowglobe without getting fixed in main, simply because there are community commits in one and not in the other.
* [14:08] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: But not all issues have a corresponding issue in the other project also to be marked duplicate, probably cause until now mostly techie ppl were using Snowglobe
* [14:09] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Like Robin's avatar is nothing but prims to me on Snowglobe, but I do not think there is a SNOW issue for that only a 1.23.4
* [14:10] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: so, I think those of us working on Snowglobe will inevitably have the burden of looking through the patches in VWR, and deciding what to pull into Snowglobe
* [14:10] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: however, we'll also need to leave those issues as unresolved when we fold them into Snowglobe, to avoid any confusion as to whether the patch has been folded into the mainline Second Life viewer
* [14:11] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: may be we should create the duplicate JIRA record *only* when cherry picking a patch?
* [14:11] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: +1 Merov
* [14:11] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: so we can mine the JIRA for history and keep svn messages useful
* [14:11] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: One of the issues that has made Jira duplication a problem in the past is that dupes have been set to "Resolved" when actually all that has meant is that it was linked to another. This is problematic because clearly the issue is not "Resolved" from the PoV of the poster. An additional resolution state of "Linked" is needed I think.
* [14:13] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Morgaine: that's an age-old problem that I don't think we need to try to solve now
* [14:13] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: The problem Morgaine is that, as a dev and committer, you want to sort out precisely what is outstanding, what has been done, etc...
* [14:13] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: let's take a look at a couple of Harleen's specific examples:
* [14:14] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13868
* [14:14] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Merov: sure, but if you had a resolution state of "Linked" then you could treat it as "done" quite trivially.
* [14:15] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: that's an example of one we can add "Affects Version" to "Snowglobe 1.0", and then look at that list when we're looking for stuff to address
* [14:16] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Harleen, does that make sense for that one?
* [14:16] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: (so, in other words, no duplicate issue, just use "affects version")
* [14:16] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: btw, I just added "Snowglobe 1.0" to the list of options
* [14:16] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: yes, and some are using Snowglobe test build in that way now, because they do not relize there is a SNOW project
* [14:17] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Harleen: that's fine, we can make sure we look at those too
* [14:17] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: in fact, we'll often ask "is this also a problem in 1.23", because that has a big impact on what the Lindens involved in Snowglobe decde to do with it
* [14:18] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: makes sense
* [14:18] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: cool...make sense to everyone else as well?
* [14:18] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: /nods
* [14:18] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: waits a second....
* [14:18] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: think so
* [14:19] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: ok, how about https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-61
* [14:19] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: That is technically a dupe of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13975
* [14:20] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: so, since someone already went through the trouble of filing a separate issue in SNOW, there's no sense in resolving it as a duplicate
* [14:20] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: however....
* [14:20] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: we can set the priority lower
* [14:21] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: since it's not necessarily a high priority issue for the Snowglobe developers specifically to address
* [14:21] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: that seem about right?
* [14:21] [[User:AOS-HUD 3.5.182|AOS-HUD 3.5.182]]: [WEAR ME!]: - The scanner on steroids - [secondlife://Titian/135/223/351/]
* [14:22] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: yes
* [14:22] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Next up: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-14357
* [14:23] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: (btw...I'm not capturing any of these resolutions, other than the eventual transcript)
* [14:23] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Using SNOW-61 as an example, this should really be moved to SNOW, it is currently resolved as dupe of https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13302
* [14:24] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: yup....that's an acceptable way of handling that
* [14:24] [[User:Dirk Talamasca|Dirk Talamasca]]: Hiya Q
* [14:24] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: yo
* [14:24] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: lo
* [14:25] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: tries to look behind the LInden's group tags, to see if it says "LL Back" on the other side
* [14:25] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: ok....so, we've been through the list of examples that Harleen provided
* [14:25] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: lol Aimee
* [14:25] [[User:Darv Linden|Darv Linden]]: We're just the front for LL, we're not actually them :P
* [14:25] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: =)
* [14:26] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: hadn't considered how baffling that would be to Residents
* [14:26] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: Well last thing I brought up didn't have a specific JIRA (too many) is that Groups was returned in 1.23.4 but not Snowglobe
* [14:26] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: yeah, that basically is our mark of being Howard Linden's minions ;-)
* [14:26] [[User:Q Linden|Q Linden]]: prefers to think of himself as a maxion
* [14:27] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: nah, just makes you sound like escapees from a monty python sketch
* [14:27] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: lol
* [14:27] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: looks for his Ministry of Funny Walks animation override
* [14:27] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: rofl
* [14:28] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: LOL
* [14:28] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: thinks Rob is gonna open shop IW
* [14:28] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: I'd probably buy that if I could find it in world
* [14:28] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: admittedly hasn't looked
* [14:28] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: anyway...that's the only thing on our official agenda
* [14:29] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: one closely related topic I wanted to talk about:
* [14:29] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: looking through the VWR project for patches to fold into Snowglobe
* [14:30] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: here's a list of the patches that we look through on at least a weekly basis: https://jira.secondlife.com/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&&priority=1&priority=2&priority=3&priority=4&priority=5&status=1&status=3&status=4&customfield_10002=Patch+attached&sorter/field=updated&sorter/order=DESC&sorter/field=customfield_10000&sorter/order=ASC&sorter/field=customfield_10020&sorter/order=ASC
* [14:30] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: (rather, we look at that query on a weekly basis, not every patch in it
* [14:31] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: One thing that popped up in Tuesday's AW Groupies meeting was the question of patches for interop. Is there likely to be opposition to patches submitted for interop purposes, given that you may not find any great interest in cherry-picking such patches for the main viewer?
* [14:31] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: there's nothing stopping the people with commit access from committing the ones that we've already reviewed into Snowglobe
* [14:32] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Morgaine: if someone steps up to actually maintain the code, and the changes are generally consistant with what we're doing on OGP, and they don't break the production grid experience, then no problem
* [14:32] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Sounds fair :-)
* [14:34] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: is there anyone who isn't a committer yet that's interested in shepherding patches into Snowglobe?
* [14:35] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: No doubt more will appear, Rob :-)
* [14:35] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: k...well, anyway, let me ask a different easier question:
* [14:35] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: anything on that list stand out as somethign that really needs to get into Snowglobe sooner rather than later?
* [14:37] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: VWR-11898 I got asked to "adopt" the other day by it's writer catherine pfeffer as she's too busy to follow it up
* [14:37] [[User:Twisted Laws|Twisted Laws]]: has used the patch in [http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-13996] on Snowglobe with no adverse effects and seems to solve at least the one issue.
* [14:37] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: given that all of these are patches, if there exists examples in VWR that are candidates for Snowglobe, then a second issue in SNOW would be appropriate
* [14:37] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: however it will need testing on a French OS X install, which mine isn't, looks pretty straight forward though
* [14:37] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: ducks
* [14:38] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: k....yup, those seem like two great examples
* [14:38] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: heheh
* [14:38] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: quack
* [14:38] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: well, I'm gonna have to do some localization merges and fixes in 1.1 I think
* [14:39] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: k....so, back on Harleen's original topic: should we create the duplicate issues now, or wait until there's a dev that's committed to do make the Snowglobe commit?
* [14:39] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: the two line history bugs on there I posted this week I'll be looking to follow up shortly too
* [14:40] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: if the answer is "let's do it now", then anyone want to volunteer to create the issues?
* [14:40] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: I'll go ahead and do those two now, as I'll be doing them anyway
* [14:41] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: that's VWR-14267 and VWR-14278
* [14:41] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: cool
* [14:41] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: thanks Aimee
* [14:41] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: :)
* [14:42] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: for any others, let's consdier that the process for nomiating patches for Snowglobe
* [14:42] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: (VWR patches, that is)
* [14:42] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: oh, and I'll pick up VWR-13227 too, as it was me that broke it *blushes*
* [14:42] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: :)
* [14:43] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: And what about VWR fixes that were not done by submitted patches, but by LL themselves
* [14:43] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: additionally, of course, before actually making a move to check something in, a quick note to sldev calling for review is the way to go
* [14:43] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: sure
* [14:44] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: we'
* [14:44] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: we'd love to get more committers than we've got today, so ping me if you're interested
* [14:44] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Where do you typically store the patches prior to checkin, for SLdev access and review? Or just inline?
* [14:45] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: diff attached to JIRA
* [14:45] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: kk
* [14:45] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Morgaine: attached in JIRA is the formal process
* [14:45] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: nods
* [14:46] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: we'll alternately look more at linking to Mercurial as another means, but we need to make sure it's unambiguous that the patch is actually being contributed
* [14:47] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: in the brave new future of Mercurial development, we'll need to work out norms
* [14:47] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: (different norms, that is)
* [14:48] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: anyway...we've talked that one out it seems. anything else on your minds?
* [14:49] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]: Man, it's just low-key day.
* [14:49] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: I was just about to say
* [14:49] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: post partum depression...
* [14:49] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]: watches a tumbleweed go by
* [14:49] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: <crickets>
* [14:49] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: turns up the Ambient volume slider
* [14:50] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: I guess one thing I neglected to do was to say "w00t!" about Snowglobe 1.0
* [14:50] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]: Speaking of which, if anyone wants to usher that wind noise optimization patch into Snowglobe... eh? eh?
* [14:50] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]: yes!
* [14:50] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: :D
* [14:50] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: thanks everyone here for making that happen!
* [14:50] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: that's the baby I was thinking about...
* [14:50] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]: Could still be worth something for the really low end systems.
* [14:50] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: heh, was just looking at that
* [14:51] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: it's gone a bit stale, needs a rewrite to work with the OpenAL stuff
* [14:51] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: Aimee's minimap featured in Torley's video :)
* [14:51] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: ^^
* [14:51] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: though all the wind optimisation was done on openAL wind?
* [14:52] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Well if we're out of topic, perhaps another word or two on interop? A lot of people like to use LL viewers on Opensim, and Snowglobe is no exception. Would adding more grid support on the login screen of Snowglobe be a possible candidate?
* [14:52] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Morgaine: possibly....need a dev volunteer to own that, though
* [14:52] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Understood
* [14:52] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: no, the OpenAL wind is still generated the old way, but used a bit different, it may be that the optimizations don't provide much improvement now anyway
* [14:53] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: it's been a while since I looked at it
* [14:54] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: ah ok, i know A whole chain of people worked on that and after i did wind in openAL gigs and others optimised it then backported that for fmod then tofu merged openAL and i forget...
* [14:55] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: heh
* [14:55] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: okee doke. well, that's definitely a good candidate to get in at some point. I think there may still be a little bit of wondering aloud going on about whether it represents a significant cpu improvement, so some updated benchmarks would probably be part of the process
* [14:56] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: well, anyway, I'm eager to get SNOW-62 done, so if there's nothing pressing, should we wrap this up?
* [14:57] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]: one question: what's the policy on patches that are already in the linden pipeline (maint-viewer etc.) for inclusion in snowglobe?
* [14:57] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: (I'd like to declare the Snowglobe trunk open for commits)
* [14:57] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: \o/
* [14:57] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: that's a good question
* [14:57] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Thickbrick: good question. I'd like to see them go in one way or another....
* [14:57] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: one rather cool way of dealing with it:
* [14:58] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: if someone wanted to volunteer for the harder task of merging in one of those branches that has the change it....
* [14:58] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: for example, we publish many of the maint-viewer branches
* [14:59] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: The whole process is made much harder by the fact we only see bulk pushes not individual commits and notes
* [14:59] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: yup, I know...
* [14:59] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: nods in agreement with Robin
* [14:59] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: That's interesting. My FPS rises when I mute the wind / Ambient. I've tested it 3 times.
* [15:00] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: yes, that itsself is an improvment Morgaine, it use to keep wasting CPU time even when muted
* [15:00] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]: That would be really weird, because I think the current code still generates that sample when muted.
* [15:00] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: well, that's probably a good topic for sldev discussion and/or our meeting next week
* [15:00] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: not on openAL i don't think
* [15:00] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]: That's in 1.23 ?
* [15:01] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: i believe the mute/no wind got in to the inital openAL merge
* [15:01] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]: Cool cool
* [15:01] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: doe snot effect fmod though
* [15:01] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: I think it gets turned off when using OpenAL yeah
* [15:01] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Robin: slight problem though --- I made a typo. My FPS *falls* when I mute Ambient. :-) That's why I said "interesting", as I'd expect the opposite
* [15:01] [[User:Soft Linden|Soft Linden]]: hrm
* [15:01] [[User:Robin Cornelius|Robin Cornelius]]: oh really? odd
* [15:02] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: I don't believe it ... going to make another 10 tests when I'm in an empty zone
* [15:02] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: o.O
* [15:02] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]: it looks like muting reduces the variablity in frame time for me
* [15:03] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: Morgaine: sounds like something to try to narrow down and maybe get a bug filed about...very odd
* [15:03] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: LOL, it's highly repeatable here, 1.5-2.0 FPS drop on mute. Funny :-))
* [15:04] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: that's really weird, hmm
* [15:04] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: scratches head
* [15:04] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: thanks for coming everyone!
* [15:04] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Thanks Rob, and all :-)
* [15:04] [[User:Thickbrick Sleaford|Thickbrick Sleaford]]: see you next week everybody
* [15:04] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: maybe when you mute it, it's getting blocked and building up wind pressure
* [15:04] [[User:Merov Linden|Merov Linden]]: bye
* [15:04] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Haha
* [15:04] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: I wouldn't leave it muted, the mixer might explode
* [15:04] [[User:Harleen Gretzky|Harleen Gretzky]]: tc all
* [15:05] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: lol
* [15:05] [[User:Aimee Trescothick|Aimee Trescothick]]: bye :)
* [15:05] [[User:Rob Linden|Rob Linden]]: bye all
* [15:05] [[User:Morgaine Dinova|Morgaine Dinova]]: Tc all :-)

[[Category:Open Source Meeting]]

Open Source Meeting/2009-06-25 - Revision history

Rob Linden: transcript