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New page: * [9:33] Saijanai Kuhn: yo * [9:33] Enus Linden: The gangs all here! * [9:33] Enus Linden: welcome back to the work week...

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* [9:33] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: yo
* [9:33] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: The gangs all here!
* [9:33] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: welcome back to the work week everyone
* [9:33] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: thanks again for friday's discussions, we had some good success since...
* [9:33] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I only have work weekends, in the week I tend to relax ;-)
* [9:34] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: :P
* [9:34] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so dev sandbox status...
* [9:34] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: tao provided updated docs
* [9:34] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: infinty not coming?
* [9:34] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and I've had success on Mac/Win/Linux
* [9:34] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: oh
* [9:34] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: infinity isn't going to make it today
* [9:34] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: oh ok
* [9:34] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'll get status from her later
* [9:35] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so buildout/env setup seems to not be a problem
* [9:35] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: new docs worked for me too
* [9:35] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: given the necessary reqs are available
* [9:35] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I will nevertheless try to enhance it
* [9:35] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: ty tao
* [9:35] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: and for me. just deciding which text editor to use since none of the IDEs seem useable
* [9:35] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: locklainn, you posted a jira asking for a final ZCA decision..
* [9:35] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: Python comes with IDLE
* [9:35] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: like discussed earlier with Locklain: by probably providing our own package index which holds all the packages and the right versions we need
* [9:35] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: PYO-17
* [9:35] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: right enus
* [9:36] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: imo, we keep it
* [9:36] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: seems we've made 4 decisions about it already :)
* [9:36] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and move forward
* [9:36] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i clsoed the jira with a comment to that effect
* [9:36] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: how does Infinity feel about that?
* [9:36] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: is there a way to get those new tickets automatically via email?
* [9:36] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Infinity will accommodate our decisions i think, as long as things are stable and documented
* [9:36] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: ok
* [9:37] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: awesome
* [9:37] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: should we choose to have a oyogp.lib.core that persists, we can work on that as needed
* [9:37] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: with the virtual env, it won't matter what Python is installed on the stations, correct?
* [9:37] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I think most of the tasks we have to do will be rather repetitive
* [9:37] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so we can write recipes on how to solve a certain problem
* [9:37] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i think it's a separate body of work though, to have python libs sans zca
* [9:37] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: Locklainn: not really, it just copies that python
* [9:37] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and leaves out the site-packages
* [9:37] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: it does not compile a new one
* [9:37] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: oh, so if its 2.3, then it uses 2.3
* [9:37] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: yes lock
* [9:38] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: it takes the one for which you installed virtuanenv
* [9:38] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so I'll post the location of my py2.5.2 tarball
* [9:38] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: or, use station18
* [9:38] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so in endeffect the one you used for starting ez_setup.py
* [9:38] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: not using the system python is a recommended practice though
* [9:38] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and one we'll live with for now : )
* [9:39] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: ok cool
* [9:39] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, before we status around, i'd like to point out our short term direction to you
* [9:39] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pyogp/Roadmap#OGP_Beta_Milestone
* [9:39] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: the OGP beta approaches, and infinity and tess would like for pyogp to support testing the OGP enabled grid during the beta
* [9:40] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: I'd like to work toward that in the short term
* [9:40] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: auth and login are done, no?
* [9:40] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and work on the buildout of a for complete Milestone1 as we go so that we can continue with that work next
* [9:40] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I agree on the roadmap but it would also be cool if we can discuss the direction together as a group in the future.
* [9:40] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: auth and login libs are done
* [9:40] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: tests need to be completed
* [9:40] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: auth and login seem to be working sans bugfix for LL's AD
* [9:40] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: yes Tao, for sure
* [9:40] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: ok
* [9:41] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so establishing presence and thus making TP available will need the message stuff
* [9:41] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: it is a group effort, driven by LL's beta in the short term if that's ok
* [9:41] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: right
* [9:41] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and we also get the seedcap I think
* [9:41] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so place_avatar should succeed
* [9:41] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: at least it did so sometime ago
* [9:42] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: right
* [9:42] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Tao, if we don't get messaging done (a req for complete TP), for the beta, we can live with that
* [9:42] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, it's sort of done in a test script so I guess we can also get it done somehow and make it cleaner later
* [9:42] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I at least would like to see some bot visiting my normal av
* [9:42] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: yeppers, same here
* [9:43] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but from what I see Locklainn is making great progress :)
* [9:43] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: haha hopefully it will be done soon
* [9:43] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, teleport really ought to 'just work' in the current libs, as long as we omit the CompleteAvatarMovement and AvatarMovementComplete messages, yes?
* [9:43] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: there are some things that need to be done, that I see
* [9:43] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe I will look into the loop stuff and make some demo loop with the code from the example which we can replace with Locklainn's stuff then
* [9:44] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: for now I guess we can live with one main loop without and threads, coroutines etc.
* [9:44] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: well,
* [9:44] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: I don't think the current code has anything for udp
* [9:44] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: enus, your old code does
* [9:44] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but as said on IRC, I would also put that loop into some example app and not the lib.
* [9:44] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: the presence code sends COmpeteAvatarMovement and the like via UDP. Is there a reason why you want to avoid that?
* [9:44] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: so maybe we could reference that
* [9:44] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I mean Enus' code
* [9:45] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: oh ok
* [9:45] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: or Saijanai's/Enus' code
* [9:45] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: right
* [9:45] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: Sai, what do you mean avoid it?
* [9:45] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Sai, I am not avoiding it, I am just not making it a requirement of testing teleport in support of the OGP Beta (unless it's unavavoidable)
* [9:45] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: those are hand assembled packets but they're pretty trivial One or two lines of code each
* [9:45] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so I might simply write some example app which uses the lib to the point we have now and add the UDP code to it
* [9:46] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: to test teleport, i am happy to 1. login and rez on a sim 2. tp to a different sim and get the seed cap from there
* [9:46] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: might be interesting to see if this works with opensim
* [9:46] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: From what Tess was saing, you maintain presence by doing the long poll rather than ACKing incoming UDP packets
* [9:46] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: yes Tao, I'd like for that to be a test case we show
* [9:46] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: you maintain AD presence Sai
* [9:46] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: oh, OK
* [9:46] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: that is the next big component to talk about imo Sai
* [9:46] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so what is the state of the docs?
* [9:47] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: still need the ack for Sim presence. Got it
* [9:47] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: but I think you still need to maintain sim presence
* [9:47] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yesterday I was poking around opensim to find out what might be going on
* [9:47] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: we should probably make sure of that
* [9:47] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe not the best way ;-)
* [9:47] [[User:Han Bookmite|Han Bookmite]]: is that your boat?
* [9:47] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: which dosc specifically tao?
* [9:47] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: teleport
* [9:47] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i need to check on that this morning tao
* [9:47] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: leyla needs to post updated login docs
* [9:48] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: cool, thanks
* [9:48] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so for doing TP I basically send another place_avatar?
* [9:48] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and i believe the names of the rez_avatar caps are changing from place_avatar to rez_avatar/place
* [9:48] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: lock, is that right?
* [9:48] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and the AD knows that I am still in sim A and does everything needed to move you to sim B?
* [9:48] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: we still support place_avatar currently tho
* [9:48] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: I believe that is what tess said, but I haven't looked in awhile
* [9:48] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: why do we have such strange caps names now?
* [9:48] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: correct Tao
* [9:48] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: we ought to ask tess
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: something about namespace
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i just wrote it down to confirm with tess
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: but i believe the family is
* [9:49] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: "request" is what opensim expects
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: rez_avatar/place
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: rez_avatar/request
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: rez_avatar/derez
* [9:49] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: [http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/SLGOGP_Teleport_Strawman]
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: rez_avatar/rez
* [9:49] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: yep locklainn
* [9:49] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: it says rez_avatar/place
* [9:50] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: but the flow pic has the old naming
* [9:50] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: right
* [9:50] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I cannot really make sense of that big flow diagram there ;-)
* [9:50] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: all we care about is the client column :)
* [9:50] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I also care about the agent domain
* [9:50] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, that said, anyone game for mocking up a sample teleport?
* [9:50] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: Enus, he has been working on making his own AD
* [9:51] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i know i know
* [9:51] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: : )
* [9:51] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: ok, just making sure :)
* [9:51] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: the LL AD changes too much ;-)
* [9:51] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i agree tao
* [9:51] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, and I cannot debug there myself
* [9:51] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and the docs don't precede the changes
* [9:51] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: or even follow the changes properly
* [9:51] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: there are docs?
* [9:51] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Zero is on the hook for an updated ogp draft
* [9:52] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, it shouldn't be too hard to do another place_avatar after the first one
* [9:52] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but can I reuse the cap or do I need to get a new one?
* [9:52] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: which cap
* [9:52] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: we also need this: docs supporting executin interop tests (and a more complete test suite)
* [9:52] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: AD cap or sim cap?
* [9:52] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: place_avatar
* [9:52] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: where in the beta client is the code, do you know?
* [9:52] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'll catch up with infinity about pyogp.interop
* [9:52] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: hmm
* [9:52] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: or rez_avatar/place as it's called now
* [9:52] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: good question
* [9:53] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: my guess is you can reuse it
* [9:53] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: because its a cap to the AD
* [9:53] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I hope the spec also says what happens should it be timed out
* [9:53] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: probable 403
* [9:53] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: or 404?
* [9:53] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Leyla should provide that to use soon tao
* [9:53] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: ok
* [9:53] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, seed cap: which one are we talking abuot?
* [9:54] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: what seed cap? :)
* [9:54] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: he was talking about place_avatar cap
* [9:54] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: sorry
* [9:54] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: I thought seed cap as well
* [9:54] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: re use i believe
* [9:54] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, I hope I can reuse the seed cap :)
* [9:54] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: otherwise it would be strange ;-)
* [9:54] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: we can test it though :)
* [9:55] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, any statuses anyone wants to share?
* [9:55] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I should write some book: OGP - annotated
* [9:55] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: builder done, reader probably 75%
* [9:55] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: should be one seed cap per region
* [9:55] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: w00t lock!
* [9:55] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: expect to finish that when?
* [9:55] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: I'm hoping today
* [9:56] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: cool. might i be able to get you to help tess and me write some interop tests this week?
* [9:56] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: in fact, I think libsl checks to see if you hhave encountered a seedcap before and resuses it rather than makign a new entry
* [9:56] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: sure Enus
* [9:56] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I will have a look at adding some exceptions
* [9:56] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: cool. i've created some jiras and will start doling them out lock
* [9:56] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: should time permit it, we also have a deadline here
* [9:57] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: awesome. When do you want to discuss the details of this?
* [9:57] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and add some tests for these exceptions
* [9:57] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: nice tao
* [9:57] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: can you create a jira for that?
* [9:57] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I will make some proposal in code, I guess we don't need that much
* [9:57] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and add some line to the roadmap as a starter for trackin git?
* [9:58] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: it really feels more like some corp project than an FLOSS project ;-)
* [9:58] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: lock, i'll sort out tasks today and let you pick what you want...
* [9:58] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: awesome
* [9:58] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: *creating jira*
* [9:58] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Tao, let's talk about how to change that : )
* [9:59] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: let me first find the button for "new ticket" ;-)
* [9:59] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: jira needs some usability overhaul
* [9:59] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i need a way to track work, jira seems like the right way to me
* [9:59] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: agreed on usability
* [9:59] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: huddle ajourned....
* [9:59] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: transcript forthcoming
* [9:59] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so tao
* [10:00] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: corp vs floss
* [10:00] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: it's a marraige b/n the 2 right now in some ways
* [10:00] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: what is the difference
* [10:00] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: I will try to drive the LL needs
* [10:00] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and work it as an os project too
* [10:00] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: but could use some help per the later
* [10:01] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: diff... hmm. LL has deliverables and dates and company driven needs
* [10:01] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: ok, jira is there
* [10:01] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: ty tao
* [10:01] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yes, you have deadlines ;-)
* [10:02] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: admittedly, the beta deadline wrt pyogp was a surprise to me
* [10:02] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and PR issues I think
* [10:02] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i did sign up for a deliverable
* [10:02] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: because nobody else would have announced a beta ;-)
* [10:02] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: to have pyogp running tests against OGP enabled grids by the end of Q3 (sept)
* [10:03] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, not PR issues but PR influence
* [10:03] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: is that end of sept, or before enu?
* [10:03] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: other than that, infinity's urgency was new to me last week.
* [10:03] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: lock, that's what i personally signed up for
* [10:03] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: things have taken a turn
* [10:03] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: :D
* [10:03] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: haha yea, I feel teh same
* [10:03] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: eh the announcement was same day as google announcement. PIggybacking, I think
* [10:04] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: all of a sudden we had deadlines haha
* [10:04] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so pyogp is desired as having tests to support the beta functionality
* [10:04] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I still call it dev sandbox functionality ;-)
* [10:04] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, I'll see about meeting that goal
* [10:04] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: beta would imply OGP would be finished and we just polish things ;-)
* [10:04] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so I see this as PR driven
* [10:04] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: sure, but by timing it when they did. They got honorable mention in all the articles about Google Lively
* [10:04] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but anyway, now we have that beta and you have deadlines ;-)
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: nomenclature aside (thanks for having better english than me tao), yes, PR is driving things to a degree
* [10:05] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: as it always is :-/
* [10:05] [[User:Ricken Flow|Ricken Flow]]: smiles
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, I'll deliver LL driven deliverable requests to the group
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and we can try and meet them
* [10:05] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so we just need to communicate these things
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: LL resources can drive that
* [10:05] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Tao, what I'd like to work with you, is the higher level project roadmap
* [10:06] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and dev methods and such
* [10:06] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and it would be good if not some pyogp deadline or announcement will happen without the group's knowledge
* [10:06] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'm with you there
* [10:06] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so, it is now known :P
* [10:06] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: and I'd like to coordinate the future work starting as soon as we can huddle on that
* [10:06] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: so what is the exact deadline?
* [10:07] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: vague bartholomew
* [10:07] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: beta starts july 31
* [10:07] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: ok, who will be nailing it?
* [10:07] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'd like to be able to point the beta group to a wiki page saying: pyogp supports testing of the OGP implementation in these ways
* [10:07] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: hence https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Pyogp/Roadmap#OGP_Beta_Milestone
* [10:08] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: ok
* [10:08] [[User:Multi Gadget|Multi Gadget]]: v2.0.3b by Timeless Prototype, '/44 info'
* [10:08] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: we also need a standalone easy install just for the tester
* [10:08] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: nailing it?
* [10:08] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: right sai
* [10:08] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: like defining the exact date
* [10:09] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: ok, so what did I miss? :)
* [10:09] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: nada tao
* [10:09] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i won't commit to date yet bartholomew, as i need to talk to infinity about pyogp.interop
* [10:09] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: I see, ok
* [10:09] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: date for what?
* [10:09] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: sai raises a good point, we need to be able to run interop tests for the beta
* [10:09] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: for the deadline
* [10:10] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: ok, but does this need to be some standalone app?
* [10:10] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I mean, it's from devs for devs ;-)
* [10:10] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'm not willing to set a hard deadline for the pyogp deliverables. next week sounds nice though... i beliecve that is attainable
* [10:11] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, we should think about releasing something as soon as some milestone is finished.. More thinking about the lib here though than the tests
* [10:11] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: on that note, have we decided how tests are going to be configured?
* [10:11] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: tao, if we can point people to the dev sandbox page and the client's tests, and the, point people to interop and it's tests (to be further deved this week) great
* [10:11] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: config settings for 1 grid may not work for another
* [10:11] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: that is yet to be done i believe lock
* [10:11] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yes, this probably should be done with Infinity
* [10:12] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: I see
* [10:12] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: not sure how you best pass config to unit tests
* [10:12] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: infinity was planning to propose a method
* [10:12] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: who knows maybe in the end unit tests are not the right tool
* [10:12] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: of passing in data from xml files
* [10:12] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: unit tests are adequate for now imo
* [10:13] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, I leave that for you guys :)
* [10:13] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: yea, for now, but they will al lbe configured for our grid
* [10:13] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: thing is not every C# dev is a python dev
* [10:13] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: k tao
* [10:13] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I am more focusing on the lib for now
* [10:13] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: one question though
* [10:13] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: Sai: maybe we can provide some web service for testing
* [10:13] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: pyogp.interop (formerly testharness), needs a buildout to grab crs code does it not?
* [10:13] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but then I wonder if unit tests are really working out.. but maybe they are, might need some experimentation
* [10:13] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: src*
* [10:14] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: Enus: For now it's one buildout which contains lib and interop
* [10:14] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: ah, OK. just type in avatar, password, desination sim?
* [10:14] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: ah
* [10:14] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: Sai: maybe also which tests to run
* [10:14] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: sry
* [10:14] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: simple check box sure
* [10:15] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so Tao, how should tests in pyogp.interop get run?
* [10:15] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: there is a bin/testharness
* [10:15] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: which should look for unit tests in interop
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: but it wouldn't do configuration
* [10:16] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: in the test folder
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so I wonder how this might work, maybe you want some little app which get some config file as input
* [10:16] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: so bin/test runs ...? lib unit/doc tests
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: bin/test runs pyogp.lib.base tests
* [10:16] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: bin/testharness runs interop stuff
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: bin/testharness runs tests in pyogp.interop
* [10:16] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: awesome
* [10:16] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: ty
* [10:16] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: in tests/ yes
* [10:16] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: needs to read the wikis more
* [10:17] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: a bit like best of both worlds, cool
* [10:17] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: maybe it's not on there yet. so maybe put it on there then :)
* [10:17] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i get bugs in the interop tests. one i don't mind (i can fix it)
* [10:17] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: the other is a config thing
* [10:17] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: Module: pyogp.interop.tests.test_r
*
* Traceback (most recent call last):
* File "c:\svn\pyogp\libdev\src\py
* ez_avatar.py", line 4, in <module>
* from indra.ipc import llsdhttp
* ImportError: No module named ipc
* [10:17] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: crap
* [10:18] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: stupid windows
* [10:18] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yes, this needs to become an egg
* [10:18] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: hate windows (but run sl on it so have to paste from windfows)
* [10:18] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: it's no egg yet as I only eggified the lib requirements for now
* [10:18] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: can i assign that task to you tao?
* [10:18] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: or is that a LL thing to do?
* [10:18] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yes but the best thing would be if some indra maintainer could be with me in that boat :)
* [10:18] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so we can basically put the setup.py in the original source code
* [10:19] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: right now it's doubled
* [10:19] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and I added a test and buildout for indra
* [10:19] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'm not clear on what needs to happen
* [10:19] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'll jirafy and we can take it to irc...
* [10:19] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: [http://svn.secondlife.com/trac/linden/browser/projects/2008/pyogp/indra]
* [10:20] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: some person responsible for indra.* should contact me and get the setup.py so he can put it into the original source code
* [10:20] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: then I can check this out and make an egg out of it
* [10:20] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: ah, i see
* [10:20] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: well, I also changed the structure a bit so they can be individual eggs
* [10:21] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: is there a short term work around while we wait for that to happen?
* [10:21] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: yes, we double the code as done right now
* [10:21] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so I will simply do the same for indra.ipc
* [10:21] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: I just put it into svn for convenience
* [10:21] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: so I will do that soon
* [10:21] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: do you make a ticket for the merging of those?
* [10:22] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: we shouldn't forget about this
* [10:22] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: yeah tao, jira runs LL. : ) we should track this need there
* [10:23] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: k, i need to run
* [10:23] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: yea, talk to you all later
* [10:23] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: i'll be on irc for the bulk of the day
* [10:23] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: thanks all
* [10:23] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: ok
* [10:23] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: and I have to head home
* [10:24] [[User:Tao Takashi|Tao Takashi]]: good meeting :)
* [10:24] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: yep, for sure
* [10:24] [[User:Locklainn Linden|Locklainn Linden]]: bye everyone
* [10:24] [[User:Bartholomew Kleiber|Bartholomew Kleiber]]: bye all
* [10:24] [[User:Enus Linden|Enus Linden]]: tao, i do want to take up future dev strategy and roadmap next time around
* [10:24] [[User:Saijanai Kuhn|Saijanai Kuhn]]: I'll post the chat log

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Pyogp/Chat Logs/Daily Meeting/28 jul 2008 - Revision history

Saijanai Kuhn: New page: * [9:33] Saijanai Kuhn: yo * [9:33] Enus Linden: The gangs all here! * [9:33] Enus Linden: welcome back to the work week...